Is there any truth to this?

Lots of crazy talk on various forums this weekend. Here is a rundown of what the community hivemind is trying to piece together from the intermittant chatter out there:

January: Tyranids
February: Beastmen
March-May: Blood Angels
June-July: Fantasy 8th Edition Rulebook
September: Fantasy 8th Edition Boxed Set
Fall: 40K mystery codex: ~hints regarding it are:
-"Blood Angels are only half of the story"
-"fleet based marines"
-"very nice stuff winging its way in our direction"

There is talk of 3 codices in 2010 for 40k
General dispositions of various 40k armies awaiting new codices are described as:
-Necrons: Deep in the development cycle
-Dark Eldar: Deep in the development cycle
-Grey Knights: Work started
-Witchhunters: Work Started

On the Fantasy front, Tomb Kings and Orks&Goblins are getting a certain level of chatter out there.

*sounds the Brimstone Horn of Summoning*

Would be interesting if it's true.

Plastic GK terminators would sell me, finally, on a Marine force.

definitely could be. does that mean you'll see the effects before the next US presidential election considering DE have been "in the works" according to rumors for the past few years? no. bols weekend rumor roundups feel like someone just aggregating all the fanboi wishlisting from multiple forums in one place.

WH & DH are among the oldest Codices, and ripe for revision whenever GW gets around to them. They're "due" for Codices, just like DE & Necrons.

Tho I'd like to see this split as as SoB & =I=...

I know my Daemons look forward to the end of allied Inquisitors with Mystics and PsyCannons.

I'm just a bit puzzled that they're actually doing it. I thought they scratched that idea, because the original books where just a by-product of the Inquisitor game.

Far as I recall, weren't the Inquisition books being redone as a single volume this time?

Thats the Rumor

As for the mystery book, my money is on Dark Angels.

'Other side' of Blood Angels could be alluding to the previous Angels of Death Codex which covered both.

'Fleet Based'. The Rock, duh.

'Winging it's way' Death and Ravenwing anyone?

Anung Un Rama wrote:I'm just a bit puzzled that they're actually doing it. I thought they scratched that idea, because the original books where just a by-product of the Inquisitor game.

Not Witchhunters. WH was Sisters of Battle with a some Inquisitor entries slapped on. WH doesn't need any Inquisition units, and could stand to have Arbites and Frateris Militia restored.

CaseyVa wrote:I know my Daemons look forward to the end of allied Inquisitors with Mystics and PsyCannons.

Except, most likely, if the Codexes are redone...allied Inquisitors will stay in.

I recall them saying that was a point that they were quite proud of, and that it fit the feel of the Inquisition...showing up where least expected, rallying the forces of the Emperor to their cause and laying down some Holy Smiting.

Mmmm... pretty sure they are going to do away with the allying rule, thats part of GW's goal with the latest set of codecies, to eliminate all cross-referencing, and have ach codex list all available options for an army. To compensate for this, they will probably increase the amount of IG/SM options available in the codex itself.

As for the release schedule, word over at warseer is that March-May will be Ogre Kingdoms. Initially it was suspected that it would be Tomb Kings instead, but Brimstone seems to have confirmed or at least suggested otherwise (in fact, he downright said that the rumor of OK in May was entirely reasonable and then winked...)

Oh look, DE are in 'development' as usual.

We will be getting the DE on December 22nd 2012.

The day DE get another codex Satan will be driving a snowplough to work.

So based of the rumors we are looking at 3 codex updates for next year... And two of them are Space Marines....

What....

The......

feth.....

@jp: Like that's a surprise? It's what it is.

Kanluwen wrote:

CaseyVa wrote:I know my Daemons look forward to the end of allied Inquisitors with Mystics and PsyCannons.

Except, most likely, if the Codexes are redone...allied Inquisitors will stay in.

I recall them saying that was a point that they were quite proud of, and that it fit the feel of the Inquisition...showing up where least expected, rallying the forces of the Emperor to their cause and laying down some Holy Smiting.

Oh, I agree that Inquisition as allies will still be 'in', I just don't think it will be with anywhere near the variety of choices and such that we have right now.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if the special buffs of the retinue are toned way down (they all become stats boosts or gun-like effects) or eliminated entirely.

I also wouldn't be surprised at all if I'm completely wrong and everything is in there still, and more!

You heard it here first.

I heard from a completely unreliable source(e.g. I made it up just now) that Grey Knight Titans will be Troops Choices in the Inquisition codex, and that five of them can combine and channel "Might of the Emperor".

Exclusive scoop!


On topic:
I can see them doing it like the IG advisors, perhaps.
Wonder what a Grey Knight Justicar's advisor power would be?

I hate "powers" "special character unlocking" and all that other "modern codex" stuff with a passion, so I hope that they keep it pretty much how it is, add xenos, and call it done.

also sculpt better daemon hosts.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:As for the mystery book, my money is on Dark Angels.

Really ? Even with them having a fairly recent codex. I guess it's not impossible, but I woudl suggest there are other Marine codices out there that would need updating with curent vehicle costs and abilities first. I don't want to sound like I'm on a crusade or anything though.

Every conversation I have had with design team members has said that the allying across books with the I that we have now will be going, it's too much hassle with the way they update the books (apparently) and leads to issues with terminology (.. the infamous Russ "debate" being a prime example here). I think we would also see less emphasis on the Inquisition itself and more focus on the respective chambers militant for the respective factions.

I would say there's even a chance that we might see another codex, perhaps a xenos one next year as well... but.. that's a big "maybe" IMO. Not impossible though. Which would be good. Maybe even great perhaps.

Ogres are a very good bet for next year IMO.. be interesting to see what terminology makes it into that book and if this is further evidence towards an 8th edition next year or not.

reds8n wrote:I think we would also see less emphasis on the Inquisition itself and more focus on the respective chambers militant for the respective factions.

*sigh*

So another of my armies vanishes off into the ether.

On the bright side though, maybe Deathwatch will finally get a whole list. I've already got that army, so I've pre-empted them.

Every conversation I have had with design team members has said that the allying across books with the I that we have now will be going, it's too much hassle with the way they update the books (apparently) and leads to issues with terminology (.. the infamous Russ "debate" being a prime example here). I think we would also see less emphasis on the Inquisition itself and more focus on the respective chambers militant for the respective factions.

Logical and plausible. It also agrees with hints dropped by the studio. They've already made it clear they went a bit "Inquisitor Crazy" when the current Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters were designed because of the Inquisitor skirmish/RPG at the time and that later versions of those armies would be more about the armies.

The allies rules are also likely going to get the chop, at least in their current form, because as soon as the rule book or their allied Codex books get updated compatibility problems and obsolescence issues immediately arise. I'm sure the studio is tired of hearing complaints about that as much as customers are tired of dealing with it.

As for Dark Angels, I have a massive army now thanks to the last Codex and the great new plastics but I don't expect an update any time soon.

reds8n wrote:I don't want to sound like I'm on a crusade or anything though.

Hmmm...

Reds8n made a funneh! Hooray!

From the hints that have been floating around given by folk like Brimstone:
It seems that the mystery Chapter is either Blood Ravens or Black Templars, with a possibility of Dark Angels as a filler.

Not sure how true those could be, but eh. Blood Ravens just don't really seem unique enough, in my opinion, to merit their own Codex.

BrassScorpion wrote:They've already made it clear they went a bit "Inquisitor Crazy" when the current Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters were designed because of the Inquisitor skirmish/RPG at the time and that later versions of those armies would be more about the armies.

Jervis' words were "got a bit carried away", which is insulting when you have an entire Inquisitorial army...

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:They've already made it clear they went a bit "Inquisitor Crazy" when the current Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters were designed because of the Inquisitor skirmish/RPG at the time and that later versions of those armies would be more about the armies.

Jervis' words were "got a bit carried away", which is insulting when you have an entire Inquisitorial army...

I still maintain an Inquisitor HQ entry in the Guard codex would have been entirely appropriate, especially if it made Stormtroopers become a Troops choice.

Ooh, a good old 2010 rumour mongering thread. I will be staggered if DE or Necrons don't put in an appearance next year. Beyond that, anything can happen but this is GW so it probably won't. We'll get Codex Black Templars instead (aren't they a fleet based chapter?)

I'm not saying that that's a bad idea, I just like my Archo-Flagellents, my Daemonhosts, my Death Cultists and all the other crazy things I have that suck, but are fun to use.

I still maintain an Inquisitor HQ entry in the Guard codex would have been entirely appropriate, especially if it made Stormtroopers become a Troops choice.

Appropriate and fun. In spite of the likely change to Inquisitors coming down the road I'm still planning to have some fun painting an Inquisitor force for my Daemonhunters and to use with my IG as long as possible. Story-wise and visually it's just good, atmospheric 40K fun.

Flashman wrote:Ooh, a good old 2010 rumour mongering thread. I will be staggered if DE or Necrons don't put in an appearance next year. Beyond that, anything can happen but this is GW so it probably won't. We'll get Codex Black Templars instead (aren't they a fleet based chapter?)

I think at least one of them (Necrons or DE) will get a look in. Maybe not both, but at least one. And yes, Black Templars are a fleet-based Chapter. I can only imagine what the model releases would be like. I adore the BT upgrade sprue, but compared to their plastic technology now, it's primitive. I'm sure they could go far and beyond the detail on that easily with what's available today.

reds8n wrote:I woudl suggest there are other Marine codices out there that would need updating with curent vehicle costs and abilities first. I don't want to sound like I'm on a crusade or anything though.

Every conversation I have had with design team members has said that the allying across books with the I that we have now will be going,

I think we would also see less emphasis on the Inquisition itself and more focus on the respective chambers militant for the respective factions.

I would say there's even a chance that we might see another codex, perhaps a xenos one next year as well...

I would. I could use more BT heads!

Keeping it all in a single book is a good thing. OTOH, if C: =I= includes generic common IG elements (e.g. Platoon, Chimera, Russ), similar to how C: CSM has generic Daemons, then there won't be need for reaching across Imperial books.

Sisters are a solid, stand-alone Chamber Militant, and always have been. Tho how Grey Knights or Deathwatch can possibly expand to a full Codex is beyond me. Doing an Inquisition book for DH & XH to preserve Mystics and ISTs and DCA and all of the other goodies would be far better than trying to create 2 brand new MEQ books out of thin air.

If GW is going to do a Xenos book in addition to Nids next year, let it be Necrons so the rules questions go away!

___

Flashman wrote:I will be staggered if DE or Necrons don't put in an appearance next year.

We'll get Codex Black Templars instead (aren't they a fleet based chapter?)

Based on past history, Necrons leapfrogging DE wouldn't be a surprise. Nids are doing it right now!

Yes, BT are a fleet-based Chapter, and the oldest SM Codex out there after BA. GW releasing these would be easy money in the bank during a Fantasy-heavy year.

Your SoB fanboyism knows no bounds DD. You also seem to forget that GW is very good at just inventing units out of thin air to fill up a Codex (Storm, Ironclad, Thunderfire, Van/Sternguard) - but you dislike the idea of a GK army so much that you refuse to see it.

Of course they can expand GK's to an army. They already expanded them from a single squad into a major part of an army. They can just invent more units.

Easy enough.

I just got SoB, and to be honest, I want them to stay exactly how they are, and just put more modern terminology for the allies rules. But as far as I can see, the SoB have good rules, some good powers, Faith is a REALLY cool idea, and the IA update covered my complaint about Valkyries not being a choice for transport for SM players.
(here it is if anyone wants it)
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/pdf/IA2Update28Aug.pdf

I still reckon it will be Dark Angels as the surprise.

Their book didn't contain much in the way of unique stuff (compared to Space Wolves, who have amongst others, Thunderwolf Cavalry, Blood Claws* and Wolf Scouts) so perhaps it's time to redress this finally?

I included Blood Claws due to their differing stats preventing them just being Wolf Themed Assault Squads!

reds8n wrote:

Really ? Even with them having a fairly recent codex. I guess it's not impossible, but I woudl suggest there are other Marine codices out there that would need updating with curent vehicle costs and abilities first. I don't want to sound like I'm on a crusade or anything though.

Do i detect sneaky hint number one here?

reds8n wrote:
I would say there's even a chance that we might see another codex, perhaps a xenos one next year as well... but.. that's a big "maybe" IMO. Not impossible though. Which would be good. Maybe even great perhaps.

Which would make this sneaky hint number tau...er....i mean number two

I hope it's not Black Templars. They still have a fairly recent book unlike Inquisiton and Necrons.

Also, whatever they do with Ogres, I hope they completly re-write their horrible fluff.

It would be entirely feasible that the WH into SOB army retained the PEs AFs and so on, plus options for an inquisitor and imperial guard support, just that they streamline the command structure, removing the HQ limiting troop options and that faith points go the way of the squat.

DH into GK army would just become another marine variant army perhaps with some options for inq and support guard etc but rendering all that as useful as the 'ubiquitous at one stage' looted tanks for orks became with the new codex, ie that they will allow you to retain in the rules but render the things they want you to stop using virtually unplayable or give a far superior option.

I hope DE make it into next year. This waiting is irritating.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm not saying that that's a bad idea, I just like my Archo-Flagellents, my Daemonhosts, my Death Cultists and all the other crazy things I have that suck, but are fun to use.

You know, my prediction would be that GW may call the book "grey knights" but I would be quite surprised if they made a book with grey knight predators, grey knight land speeders, grey knight scouts, etc.

I would wager that a book called grey knights would be a much more limited representaton of 'astartes', but would be supported by many and varied inquisitor units. I'd be willing to guess that a 'grey knight' codex would look a lot like the current demonhunter codex, but without access to inducted or allied units, and with a general power level increase, and local power level increases of the wackier inquisitorial units.

GK heroes and inquisitors for HQ

assassins, terminators and demonhost elites

grey knight and inquisitorial storm trooper troops

valkyries, and new fast attack choices

land raider, dreadnought and purgation squad heavies

People will enjoy its own hybrid of wimpy human toolbox units, supporting a limited core of elite astartes.


As for the witch hunters... you could remove the inquisitorial element, and strengthen the ecclesiarchal presence. making a similar book to the current one, with no cross-codex redundancy.

SOB heroines and confessor HQ

arco-flaggellent / repentia / celestian elites

sisters and frateris militia troops

fast sisters vehicle / fast ecclesiarchal unit attack slots

exorcists / penitent engines / retributors heavies



I only mention this likely design decision to you because, it is pretty likely that your collection of the wackier inquisition units and priestly units that have remained dusty, underpowered and shelved are more likely to see your table AFTER the new 'militant' books are released than now.

Removing access to the 5 space marine books, the IG book and each other, will give the games designers more freedom to increase the power level of everything. As it stands now, the demonhunters codex was underpowered by design, because whole pre-balanced books were given access to their units. There was a danger of obsoleting swathes of space marine and IG FOC slots if a demonhunter unit became a no-brainer.

I'm looking forward to both of those new books.

JohnHwangDD wrote:WH & DH are among the oldest Codices, and ripe for revision whenever GW gets around to them. They're "due" for Codices, just like DE & Necrons.

Tho I'd like to see this split as as SoB & =I=...

I agree, SoB should have their own 'dex.

Kanluwen wrote:*sounds the Brimstone Horn of Summoning*

Would be interesting if it's true.

Plastic GK terminators would sell me, finally, on a Marine force.

WHO SUMMONS ME

Rumours from BoLS eh pity nobody quoted the original source here.

Anyway don't expect a MiB codex anytime in the next few years.

Brimstone wrote:Anyway don't expect a MiB codex anytime in the next few years.

MiB as in "Alien-hunting government agency" I assume.

I still really dislike the idea of Grey Knights vehicles. They just look dumb. imo they should NOT be a stand alone army, but unfortunatly GW scratched the whole allies concept.

Anung Un Rama wrote:

Brimstone wrote:Anyway don't expect a MiB codex anytime in the next few years.

MiB as in "Alien-hunting government agency" I assume.

I still really dislike the idea of Grey Knights vehicles. They just look dumb. imo they should NOT be a stand alone army, but unfortunatly GW scratched the whole allies concept.

I dunno, the Grey Knights vehicles that FW did just seem to...work.

I mean, the Land Raider Redeemer? Awwwweessoooomme. Both fluffwise and execution wise.

Rules are a bit lacking, but hey. It's FW.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Is there any truth to this?

I heard from a cousin's sisters friend that dated Gav that everything you've been told is a lie.

"Blood Angels are only half the story" seems to imply the Dark Angels. After all, they once shared a codex. I hope they're able to keep their vampires grimdark, especially if the marines with a secret in the closet are coming out in the same year.

I'm sure it will be really nice, with lots of cool new bits, but as has been previously mentioned, there is a little bit of concern that we'll be given Marines riding on Giant Bats...


.

Some please tell me that the allies rule stays... It was a good idea.

Alpharius wrote:I'm sure it will be really nice, with lots of cool new bits, but as has been previously mentioned, there is a little bit of concern that we'll be given Marines riding on Giant Bats...

Not as concerned as I am about Dark Angels riding each other...

Looks like a load of BS to me...

You know, Black Templars would be really fun. I think GW is planning to ramp up the churn rate soon using the new tech with the various Space Marine Armies to keep turnover, while they completely redevelop some of the older lines.

For example - one of the 2 major releases this year - Space Wolves.

What was actually new in it? 2 Plastic kits. And 3 Metal Characters. True, you can use those plastic kits across almost the entire SM infantry line, as I'm doing, but basically its a 'buy 3 of these, a couple of Wolf Guard boxes, then a whole lot of standard SM stuff'.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Blood Angels and Black Templars got the same treatment - splash release fantastic new kits for Marines and Termies with heaps of bitz for using on all the other regular, causing a whole tranche of people to buy new stuff to mix and match and paint.

This would also keep the masses easier for possibly a double xenos year in 2011 when the Dark Necrons come out, and that would leave... well, the Inquisition forces, Eldar and Chaos as the last updated codex's?

YES!!! MORE MARINE UPDATES!!! YOU TRAITORS AND ALIENS CAN BURN IN THE DELIGHTFUL GAZE OF THE EMPEROR OF MANKIND!!!!!!

GO GW GO!!

I hope its not templars for fleet based marines. We already have too many no brainer hand to hand armies in the game.

Howard A Treesong wrote:The day DE get another codex Satan will be driving a snowplough to work.

In the Middle Ages and Renaissance, Hell was depicted as filled with ice and cold, not fire and brimstone.

Platuan4th wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:The day DE get another codex Satan will be driving a snowplough to work.

In the Middle Ages and Renaissance, Hell was depicted as filled with ice and cold, not fire and brimstone.

Are you suggesting the new dark eldar codex is due to come out 500 years ago? Is the reason its taking so long because they're writing it backwards through time?

A DA update of any sort would drag me back to the 41st Millenium. BA might well do the same, depends on what they do with them.

Eidolon wrote:I hope its not templars for fleet based marines. We already have too many no brainer hand to hand armies in the game.

That is an interesting point I think. They did Wolves, are doing Blood Angels, and if they do Templars after, that's three melee oriented Marines in a row, and with `Nids being the confirmed Xenos at the moment, even more melee goodness.

Wasn't there talk about a new Tau book? They came before Templars iirc.

I thought the 'BA are only half the story' thing would mean they are releasing the other chapter at the same time... but oh well. Another hope down the drain...



When will my precious neccys come back? We need MOAR!!! plastic models!!

Aduro wrote:

Eidolon wrote:I hope its not templars for fleet based marines. We already have too many no brainer hand to hand armies in the game.

That is an interesting point I think. They did Wolves, are doing Blood Angels, and if they do Templars after, that's three melee oriented Marines in a row, and with `Nids being the confirmed Xenos at the moment, even more melee goodness.

Given that SM & DA are the "shooty" Marines, and were released one after the other, of course the remaining fighty Marines will have to release one after another.

Given that the armies have lifetimes measured in years, I hardly see how this really makes any difference.

It wrote:I thought the 'BA are only half the story' thing would mean they are releasing the other chapter at the same time... but oh well. Another hope down the drain...

Not necessarily, we're still rumour mongering here, remember

I still maintain an Inquisitor HQ entry in the Guard codex would have been entirely appropriate, especially if it made Stormtroopers become a Troops choice.

yeah,
But GW isn't in the business of making sense. PlagueMarines with no access to PlagueBearers etc...
I think H.B.M.C. has a valid reason to be worried about his kind of army remaining valid in the future.
I expect he'll lose out and have to adjust his army to make it fit the new codex.

But you can't stop progress... I'd love to see a all in one codex witches daemons and xenos.
I just hope they make it flexible so that exisiting builds can still be constructed.
With the eldar codex they did a ok job of incorporating quirky lists into the codex, e.g. 10 x wraithguard count as troops to help out Iyanden lists.
They need that kind of approach, look at the existing builds and make sure that 90% of these can still be built with the new codex.

Panic...

It amazes me how many wild conclusions people can come to from "And thats only half the story".

"Codex BA have X, Y and Z units and N fluff, and thats only half the story".
See? Could mean that there is more interesting/surpricing fluff and strange units WITHIN the BA codex...

Wonder if the "nice stuff winging its way" that Harry talked about is a Thunderhawk. It's shaping up to be a two SM codex year, so it could fit in that sense.

Although my understanding is that the kit would occupy virtually every bit of capacity their machines have. And it seems like a fairly busy year between the codex and army book releases around a new edition of a core game. So maybe it doesn't fit from a manufacturing sense, I dunno.

Blood Angels were in Space Hulk, so the "other half of the story" could well be DA. i.e. Deathwing.

Still, its BoLS so Caveat emptor.

DE is on an infinitely looping developmental circle.
Necrons is another story.
I'd be glad to see them being redone.

gorgon wrote:Wonder if the "nice stuff winging its way" that Harry talked about is a Thunderhawk. It's shaping up to be a two SM codex year, so it could fit in that sense.

Although my understanding is that the kit would occupy virtually every bit of capacity their machines have. And it seems like a fairly busy year between the codex and army book releases around a new edition of a core game. So maybe it doesn't fit from a manufacturing sense, I dunno.

Thunderhawk? That's something I'd completely forgotten about. Theme-wise, the Thunderhawk would fit with BA Deep Striking, and BT being fleet-based, so it'd definitely cap the year off nicely.

With 40k being a down year (BA & BT in Q2 & Q4 being relatively low-profile army releases), the Thunderhawk could be the big release at Holiday 2010. As neither BA nor BT need a lot of new plastic, there actually would be production capacity for this kit. Q1 & Q2 are gearing up for WFB8 releasing Q3 (hence the minor 40k army releases - like SW, BA & BT take approximately ZERO production capacity). That frees up Q3 and Q4 to run the machines full-bore and stock up Thunderhawk kits for a massive Holiday release.

I think the Thunderhawk fits better in 2010 than anywhere else in the schedule. Especially moving BA & BT to SW mega bitz-type upgrade sprues.

Deep in the development cycle eh?

You heard it here first! Dark Eldar and Necrons are the hot new armies for 2011 (or maybe 2012).

George Spiggott wrote:Deep in the development cycle eh?

You heard it here first! Dark Eldar and Necrons are the hot new armies for 2011 (or maybe 2012).

The thing that we've known about Dark Eldar, and the main thing forestalling the release?

Jes Goodwin. Doing. Practically. A. Whole. Line. Solo.

That's a perfectly good reason for a delay.

According to the various rumors dating back to October, 2008, Jes has been working on the new DE line for well over a year now, and the DE Codex (by Phil Kelly, no less) has been finished for at least 6 months.

Wait, are we talking about a plastic thunderhawk, ala Valkyrie.

Yesh, we're talking about a plastic Thunderhawk being hinted for a 2010 release.

But a Thawk is way bigger than a Valk. More than twice the size, IIRC.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Your SoB fanboyism knows no bounds DD. You also seem to forget that GW is very good at just inventing units out of thin air to fill up a Codex (Storm, Ironclad, Thunderfire, Van/Sternguard) - but you dislike the idea of a GK army so much that you refuse to see it.

Of course they can expand GK's to an army. They already expanded them from a single squad into a major part of an army. They can just invent more units.

Easy enough.

While I agree with the majority of your posts, GW can do that, your pushing it when you say major part of an army. A pair more special weapons makes a heavy support and deepstriking to another does not make it a major part in any way. Its just the curly shuffle. GW could of course make major changes.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I'm not saying that that's a bad idea, I just like my Archo-Flagellents, my Daemonhosts, my Death Cultists and all the other crazy things I have that suck, but are fun to use.

So say we all.

Plastic thunderhawk would be baller, so long as they dont let it be fielded in normal play

JohnHwangDD wrote:Yesh, we're talking about a plastic Thunderhawk being hinted for a 2010 release.

As much as I would like that, it's quite a stretch from a fragmentry quote reading "very nice stuff winging its way in our direction".

Honestly, a plastic Thawk at this stage would not be that far. We have plastic Super Heavies and a Plastic Stompa (which never even saw a FW model.)

I know I would gladly grab 4 Thawks if they are released, one for every PA army I play.

JohnHwangDD wrote:According to the various rumors dating back to October, 2008, Jes has been working on the new DE line for well over a year now, and the DE Codex (by Phil Kelly, no less) has been finished for at least 6 months.

Yeah, and the codex come out after the 6th ed rule book.
Merry Christmas.

Maybe the 'other half of the story' will be that they just do the DA book and a few metal characters rather than a full list to bring it in line with the other marines? i mean its not like they need any more plastic minis.

Its no fun having models go to the back of the cabnit, to await a codex that allows them back ina edition or 2. still there isnt any reason you cant play the old codex. GW is always fixing up its codexes, some for keeping up with new rules versions, or fixing rules that were unbalanced, etc. not such a bad thing actually, except for your pocket of course.
On topic: if there will be a new marien codex. please let it be something fresh, and not another reright of a chapter thats already been done. heck id settle for rainbow warriors codex before i'll look at another DA, BA, or SW codex again, so long as its fresh and different.

I would love to see every non space marine codex updated before another marine anything.

jp400 wrote:I would love to see every non space marine codex updated before another marine anything.

I'd like to win the lottery.

Guess which of us has a better chance of getting their way?

jp400 wrote:I would love to see every non space marine codex updated before another marine anything.

Never heard that one before.

fleet based, winging, other half implies DA but I'm not feeling it, BT maybe if only to get the troops/vehicle costs and wargear rules consistent across the marine line. I can't imagine they're happy with that as it presumably puts new players off starting a BT army.

At this stage I actually think Necrons need the new codex more than DE do since they're virtually unplayable in 5th edition. In contrast DE just seem to get better with every rule change. I'd still love to see them get a redone codex (and models, obviously) if only because it would be nice to have more than one viable army build.

Oh and a Tau hint it seems? Well Necrons still need the update more than anyone but Tau are pretty deserving too. I can live with that.

We're getting new missions in March with marine kits so my bet is the t-hawk drops then.

As for the Inquisition forces moving Witchunters to a more SOB focused book would do wonders for that army but not as much as plastic sisters would. Presently they have great rules and fantastic fluff, are a blast to play with and against and have wonderful models tey just cost more to collect than any other army in the game. My wishlist is plastics, keep faith, vehicles/wargear drops to bring them in line with the rest of the Imperials, bring back older choices (zealots, frteris milita, arbites), keep the weird stuff and make it useful, expand the sisters options a little (a new fast vehicle/unit maybe they actually have everything they need already) and you'd have a cracking book.

GK can get a similar treatment but you need to maintain the feel of them being elite so a lot of their choices can be filled by IG units with the rules printed in the book rather than "allies". Some expansion (a decent fast attack choice and more vehicles) and make the crappy stuff worthwhile (daemonhosts) and they'd be good to go.

Regarding the "weird" or "circus" units that everyone is worried will be dropped I think all this talk of focusing on the chamber militant rather than the wird suff will be more present in tone, art, name, etc . I can't see any of the circus units disappearing entirely purely because GW makes kits for them and since 3rd ed (bar the somewhat disastrous late 3rd IG codex that upset lots of exterminator owners and some IC's) GW has not totally removed from the game a unit that they make a kit for. We might see it dropped from one army but retained in another (i.e. exterminators no longer for wolves) but I doubt penitent engines or archoflagellants will simply be written out of the game.

Regarding allies I like the present rules but they cause no end of headaches for designers. I don't have a problem with the main units straying from allies (i.e. sisters battle squads, GK termies) but Inquisitors and assassins need to stay as allies in some shape or form. That just makes sense business wise, design wise and fluff wise. It feels right that we can add an Inquisitor to a massive guard army or lend a lone assassin to a SM strikeforce, that is appropriate to how they should be fielded. They are not exclusively used by the Sisters and GK's. Plus plenty of people have a lone Assassin or Inquisitor in their army. Now the usual GW spiel in that situation is that we have an excuse to start a new force. Whilst that's patronising bs at the best of times it is much easier to swallow if you have a couple of sisters squads then if you have 2 guys!

Grey knights do need a update imho. Way to point costing for what they do. They either should get a power boost or a point reduction. The following should hopefuly be done:

- Redesign the majority of the deamonhunter powers. About 70% of them are just plain useless these days.
- Improve the statline of the grey knights in general instead of a point reduction.
- Update the equipment section with 5th editon items (ie, ss th combos, etc) along with a few new additions
- Fix up some of the units
- Improve the options for heavy support and fast attack for the love of the emperor! Having little choice in either of those can make GK's rather dry, but nether the less still fun. Orbital bombardments are a good idea, easy to use but dangerous to both sides

Well... 2010 rumors come and go, but lets just wait til next year before we start them, hey?

Superscope wrote:
- Improve the statline of the grey knights in general instead of a point reduction.

This. I want to see this so much. I dont ever want to see someone with 50 grey knights on the field, they are the most elite of the elite. But if they got some kind of power update they would be ballin. Maybe give them all artificer armor, justicar included in the squad, cheaper guns. Not all three but just throwing out ideas.

Another neat idea would be for them to get one of say 4 squad upgrade psychic powers to use at the start of each turn. They have to take a test, but the whole squad benefits from it. Test could work on a fantasy system, more powerful abilities take up more power dice, limited power dice pool dependant on number of grey knights in army. Powers could be stuff like-
improved holocaust ability
power weapons
Fire an extra shot/twice
Armor save boost
gain a 4+ invuln.

Im not thinking about balance, I just like the idea of very elite grey knights.

I think that the grey knights should be unbalanced they are the best of the bests best!

Yeah...no. You start thinking like that and then every army will be unbalanced.

Kanluwen wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Deep in the development cycle eh?

You heard it here first! Dark Eldar and Necrons are the hot new armies for 2011 (or maybe 2012).

The thing that we've known about Dark Eldar, and the main thing forestalling the release?

Jes Goodwin. Doing. Practically. A. Whole. Line. Solo.

That's a perfectly good reason for a delay.

Hear hear. This right here- as well as the rumored compatibility with existing Craftworld plastics- is worth another year or so of suck in the meantime. If jetbikes are a possible dual-army kit, we're looking at a whole new era of kitbashing for the best-looking models in 40K.

I would actually like to see Templar get re-done, and Inquisition of course FINALLY GAWD.

But if BT are redone...

What will happen to the orb of Antioch?? NOOOOO!!!!!!!

It wrote:But if BT are redone...

What will happen to the orb of Antioch?? NOOOOO!!!!!!!

You'll just have to dust off your "Holy Grail" DVD...

Is it too much to ask for that my Tau get a small rabbit model? "It's just a bunny!"

I'm thinking I want to get Malya when she comes out from Soda Pop for a Shadowsun conversion, and hey, she comes with a bunny!

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/265201.page

A bunny with really big teeth, right?

Let them take their time on Ordos codexes.

I just found my copy of White Dwarf with the Deathwatch Kill-Team rules. Rawr!

There is a WD out there that in it someone had dont a WFB Monty Python Army.

Again my dreams of an all Deathwatch inquisition force have been sent down the drain. At least my current 2 squads make for good vanguard troops...

I really dont want to loose my assasians if it comes down to taking Inquisitors away. Iv already shelved my LatD force...

Same goes for DA, I dont want to see them end up like vanilla marines, or worse, the current BA.

On the thunderhawk, didnt they outsource alot of production to china? I would think that would be an excuse to make a thunderhawk if A) most of their standard production models where sent there, or B) they produce the TH in china.

Who knows anymore.

Many larger items are made at GW Shanghai's production facilities, including figure cases, army cases and the new Fortress of Redemption.

BrassScorpion wrote:Many larger items are made at GW Shanghai's production facilities, including figure cases, army cases and the new Fortress of Redemption.

Next time I'm in Shanghai I'll have to hit the black market and see what walked out the back door of the factory then....

Since this is the only generic 2010 rumours thread atm I'll post my question here:

We know GW have almost finished work on a Plastic Daemon Prince. Weve seen multiple pictures so far. Has anyone seen rumours I've overlooked that give us some idea when we can expect this montrous daemon?

(Really need them fast for my Daemonzilla army in progress )

Cheers, Cilithan

Aye, I'm also wondering now that's been brought up again, where's that Daemon Prince already?

The Daemon Prince is finished and so are a lot of other models that haven't been released yet. Models are often completed years before release. GW's release schedule is planned out far ahead of time as part of a carefully strategized marketing plan. Leaks have been tightened up a lot over the last year and there have been no solid hints about when the Daemon Prince would be released, but if rumors that 2010 is to be WFB release heavy are true, maybe we'll see it then.

I hope that there is no more books for the imperium coming out because they have been hogging the spotlight, it should be chaos space marines next. As for Necrons and Dark Eldar no body collects them.

it has Risen from the past......

I think he missed the 90 day necromancy limit.

I am going to throw it out there and guess you collect Chaos Space Marines. I for one collect Dark Eldar,Witch Hunters, and Deamon Hunters so am hoping for all them.

colonnello wrote:I hope that there is no more books for the imperium coming out because they have been hogging the spotlight, it should be chaos space marines next. As for Necrons and Dark Eldar no body collects them.

No doubt!

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