Gw Newsletter announces additionally Book of 30 New
missions for 40k, plus Minis for Orks,imperial Guard and Space Marines .

Could please someone post the Link?

I haven't got that one yet

Coming in March, Battle Missions is a brand-new supplement for Warhammer 40,000 that expands on the basic missions found in the Warhammer 40,000 rulebook. Each of the thirty-something scenarios detailed in Battle Missions has been designed to allow you to fight the sort of battles normally the subject of Black Library novels. From daring raids and assassinations, to breakthroughs and last stands, Battle Missions will allow your army to play in a way that reflects its background. No matter what Warhammer 40,000 army you collect this exciting new supplement will open up a whole new gaming experience.
Of course it just wouldn't be the same if there weren't some great new miniatures to fight through these missions with. Fortunately, there will be new sets for Space Marines, Orks and the Imperial Guard released alongside Battle Missions in March.

What the newsletter said, and there's a picture of some Catachans fighting Tyranids and it looks like a new Bassie. Least I think it's new, the sides of the chasis look similar to the Hellhound behind it, but the gun and shield look exactly like the current kit.

Edit: Here's the picture:

Same here, I'm interested now.

edit.

Yay!

Cool, more IG and Orks.

So what's still missing for Marines? Plastic special characters?

STORMTROOPERS?

FINALLY?!


FFS. I just bought some 60 Kasrkin via Neal.

Marines lack a Master of the Forges, that's about the only thing left that they don't have.

Orks still need new Buggies, Trakks and Flashgits.

Guard.. A crapton. New Russ kit, Artillery tank kit, plastic storm troopers, plastic rough riders, Lucas Bastonne, Knight Commander Pask, a new Marbo, Penal Squads, Hydra, Manticore and the Deathstrike.

Oh thats brilliant news, another thirty missions + our regular 3*3 and COD and PS, well that's just brilliant!

Now if they would just let me know about the daemons second wave i'd be happy

I'm looking forward to it. I loved some of the missions in 3rd, too bad they got rid of them.

Hopefully none of them will be Kill Point based.

Does sound interesting though, given we're writing our own campaign supplement (I'd tell you about it, but I'd get C&D'ed).

And new kits? Well, I hope the Orks get something they need. Can't imagine what the Marines don't already have. And looks like there's a Basilisk, but plastic Stormies would be great as then I could combine them with the Land Speeder Storm and make my 'Little Bird' squadron.

Thankx for the Link

O
if only the Space marine mini could Be à Big piece of plastic....

Looking forward to the IG Models

BrookM wrote:Marines lack a Master of the Forges, that's about the only thing left that they don't have.

Perhaps the mentioned Space Marine models include Space Wolves, they're missing some stuff like the Thunderwolf Caverly aren't they?

Orks still need new Buggies, Trakks and Flashgits.

And maybe a seperate box of those new style Deffkoptas that come in the AOBR set?

Guard.. A crapton. New Russ kit, Artillery tank kit, plastic storm troopers, plastic rough riders, Lucas Bastonne, Knight Commander Pask, a new Marbo, Penal Squads, Hydra, Manticore and the Deathstrike.

Add an updated Chimera and some plastic Ogryns and I think that would be most of em.

I sincerely doubt new Ogryn (which aren't that old) and a new Chimera, which did receive new Codex art, but no new hull design like the other tanks.

Yeah, I got the newsletter today.
Its confirmed what has been said above, new book and miniatures for SM, Orks, and IG.
This basically means that BA are postponed.
But this is what Brimstone already mentioned, not March, could be August 2010.

Sounds cool. Always looking forward to new marines.

Colour me intrigued. A more generic mission book sounds like a better idea than something specific i.e. Planetstrike. A return of small kill team esque missions perhaps?

If this is done right, it would have a great modelling section with terrain ideas for each mission. However, if something like this does put in an appearance all terrain will doubtless be made out of GW plastic kits and battle scenes will take place on you know what!

New missions that can become standard missions in tournaments are very welcome.
In the recent German GT, we played these bland missions from the rule book.

I like this idea. It can't come out soon enough. New missions are a good, logical direction to take the game.

I hope that's not the new Basilisk, because if it is, they've not changed the Basilisk parts at all, just the Chimera chassis hull sides. I find this to be a bit unlikely, though.

It'll be interesting to see when BA get changed to because of this (unless the 'new Marine kits' are BA- yeah, right ). Of course, this opens the slight possibility of BA being moved to Autumn 2010, and possibly a dual release or even combined Codex (Angels of Death). I highly doubt it, but it does leave me wondering when BA will release now.

Still, more missions is always a great idea, even if I do play Apoc most of the time now.

BrookM wrote:I sincerely doubt new Ogryn (which aren't that old) and a new Chimera, which did receive new Codex art, but no new hull design like the other tanks.

Well, at least a new Nork. You definately need a new Nork. And yes I know it looks like 'New York'.

And would you look at the shoddy Tyrant there.

New Marines could mean terrain like the Marine Statues that pop up in WD. Maybe a new razorback with all the new options?

This looks like the book I was talking about with JJ at Conflict Scotland Last year.
The basic plan was to have 3 themed missions for each race (JJ mentioned 10 races, looks like they've added more)
Missions will be tailored for the racial background of the force. Last stands, beach heads, Hold the line, Slave raid, that sort of thing.
Mission generation works from a D6, 1,2,3, player 1. 4,5,6, player 2.
Each time you play you have 6 different missions.
All objective based with differing victory conditions.

I believe that is going to be the new basilisk. If you look in the codex they have the pictures of what all the tanks will look like next to their entries.

Man, I would do much - MUCH - for a proper razorback kit.

I tell you it would be right funny if GW turned around and sold space hulk / custom missions it ripped off sites it threw C & D's at.

Hmm, the guy that initially posted on Seer (Scryer in the Darkness) had this to say;

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4188244&postcount=44

Originally Posted by MajorWesJanson
Marines: Thunderhawk, new Dreadnought kit to prep for BA in April
Guard: Stormtroopers, Chimaera, Artillery box, Leman Russ box. Chimaera and russ would only need 1 new sprue each going by the hellhound and demolisher.
Orks: Warboss kit, Buggies/Wartrakks, Killa Kans, Plastic Dred, Deffkoptas.


I like the way this boy thinks.

This is the 4th time I've read/been told by someone on Seer the ThunderHawk will be next year. If it's true, I'll take 3.

Plastic Killa Kanz/Dread & Stormtroopers are very welcome!

It would be great if we would get plastic Flash Gitz as well, but I have a feeling that we will not.

A new Dread, Stormies, plastic Dreadz/Kanz, Deffkoptaz, plastic Warboss, a bunch of Guard tanks, new Buggies and a frickin' Thunderhawk???

This must be some form of 'Elite Wishlist' because there's no way that's coming out at once.

Yes, file this under "Too good to be true"

So this could be the third book to be released in 2010,
besides Nids and BA; possibly nothing else.

Plastic Kans would be nice, as the current ones are a pain to assemble.

I'm pretty sure that they'll bring out an Imperial Artillery kit with most of the options.

Similar for SM.
Thunder cannons are also a pain to assemble.
Tech Marines in plastic would be nice, too.

Of the items mentioned in that wishlist, Plastic Warboss kit sounds the most fun. As much as I like the model, there are too many Black Reach Warbosses or subtle variations there of.

AgeOfEgos wrote:Hmm, the guy that initially posted on Seer (Scryer in the Darkness) had this to say;

http://www.warseer.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4188244&postcount=44

Originally Posted by MajorWesJanson
Marines: Thunderhawk, new Dreadnought kit to prep for BA in April
Guard: Stormtroopers, Chimaera, Artillery box, Leman Russ box. Chimaera and russ would only need 1 new sprue each going by the hellhound and demolisher.
Orks: Warboss kit, Buggies/Wartrakks, Killa Kans, Plastic Dred, Deffkoptas.

I think the Russ and artillery boxes would be logical releases, though I suspect they'd take more than one new sprue added into the box. Looking at the Demolisher box as a model, I think it likely that any remake would likewise cut out the road wheel and track sprues, both for making the assembly more foolproof and reducing the amount of of different sprues used (less sprues equal less weight per unit, less materials used, more compact packaging, etc). I fear the Chimera will not see a similar remake so soon, though, because it hasn't got much in the way of those spiffy variants.

As for the others, I admit that a new Dreadnought wouldn't be totally implausible, given the amount of extra weapons options you could put into the kit (quad-autocannons, plasma cannon, multimelta, twin heavy flamer). The original plastic kit is old and a new one could be made with their more sophisticated tech to fit more variety and options in a smaller space, just like the Sentinel.

A plastic Terminator Captain along the lines of the power armored guy or chaos terminator would be a cool addition to the Marine line.

If a plastic warboss comes out, I'm going to end up painting my eigth warboss.

Hope the new buggies and trakks look good. And it'd be good if those missions were well thought through and balanced and got taken on board by the tournament scene.

Greatcoat Guardsmen swap-kits please.

Awesome news!!!


The new ork and SM models are icing on the cake...

+1 for the idea of a new Razorback kit with all the weapons options included. I might finally upgrade my 2nd edition las/twin-plas beasts if that were true. Otherwise, the old models will continue to serve.

Definately excited about the prospects of more varied missions being back. League play will get much more interesting again.

A plastic Dreadnought kit? Possibly for the venerable ones.
Chaos Dreads need an overhaul, too.

plastic killa kans and deff dredds for orks I hope!

Seeing as this is going to drop around the same time as Blood Angels (same month/month before it), could this be the other half of the story that was rumored? Or is it certain that other half was another full fledged codex?

Glad to hear 40k is getting a missions book - long overdue, IMO. Tho I wonder what the KP / Objective split will be. 10 KP missions would seem to be a bit much, but if 40k is to significantly revise KPs in 6E, maybe that won't be so bad.

Thawk is definitely possible for next year. Heck, I might even get one.

The rest won't make much difference for me.

I thought one of the GW talking heads said no plastic Storm Troopers for at least another year, from GD UK.

I'm also buying into "The other half of the story" bit that has been dropped on Warseer concerning this item.

Scryer was just posting a list of what needs to be done, not what IS being done.

Edit -

From Warseer IG Thread:

"First reports back from Games Day UK indicate that both Phil Kelly and Robin Cruddace apparently said there will be no new Storm Troopers for a while longer (not for another year at least was the gist) but they did not deny that the project was under way."

I'm not saying all those models will come. However Scryer in the Darkness is a very reliable source in my experience. If he's giving that rumour the thumbs up, then it can't be too far from the truth

I agree that the New Dread kit seems a likely bet forthe marines. But I'd be happy if the SMs just got a decent (NON-LoD) Heavy Flamer Marine!

As for da Orks? I'll bet money on a new Buggy/Trak kit.. it's the last of the old vehicles that needs to be seriously replaced.

Da Boss wrote:If a plastic warboss comes out, I'm going to end up painting my eigth warboss.

It would be my number 6.


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Good info. Here's hoping for Stormtroopers. And a looted thunderhawk.

I'm very much looking forward to this release

A thunderhawk or two won't be disliked either

Heres hoping for a plastic manticore kit thats non-forgeworld, eh?

*prays to Gork and Mork for plastic killa kans*

TalonZahn wrote:I thought one of the GW talking heads said no plastic Storm Troopers for at least another year, from GD UK.

They also said that the mystery box wasn't Space Hulk a week before they announced that it was.

Would love plastic Kans for deffo. Plus new warbuggies - don't use 'em, but the current kits were in use when I left the hobby. That was about 10 years ago, IIRC.

Wonder if we'll see shiny new Marine Bikes? They need them like.

I'm going with "everything that we have been told is a lie."

I'm now praying to the Emperor for a Thunderhawk.

Plastic Techmarines would be nice too...

EDIT: Oh. Maybe actual Penal Legion Models? I haven;t heard anything about those.

I was surprised and excited to see this email. Once again, GW sneaks new releases out on their schedule, with nary a confirmed rumour in sight.

Commander Endova wrote:I'm now praying to the Emperor for a Thunderhawk.

Plastic Techmarines would be nice too...

EDIT: Oh. Maybe actual Penal Legion Models? I haven;t heard anything about those.

There's no reason for "actual" Penal Legion models. They're equipped, armored, and everything the same as a standard Guard squad. Maybe a conversion kit, I could see that. Shackled arms, branded heads, stuff like that.

And why a plastic Techmarine?

Each of the thirty-something scenarios detailed in Battle Missions has been designed to allow you to fight the sort of battles normally the subject of Black Library novels.

As someone who's writing a RIDICULOUS amount of fluff for her army, I'm getting this book the day it comes out. I'd love to run fluff battles with some of my friends (WHY DO THEY HAVE TO LIVE A THOUSAND MILES AWAY) as fodder for my own fluff bible!

Needless to say this is making me a very, very happy kitty. And new Space Marine models? SWEET. I could dig on new Dreadnoughts.

Karon wrote:Heres hoping for a plastic manticore kit thats non-forgeworld, eh?

Ah c'mon. The FW Manticore model ain't so ba... ah who am I kidding. They're awful. They look cool, but putting them together is a nightmare.

I'd prefer a plastic Hydra though.

I'd be very surprised if we didn't get some form of combo Hydra/Manticore kit alongside a Medusa/Basilisk combo.

I mean really, the only difference between the Manticore and Hydra is the autocannons in place of the missiles. That'd be easy to alter by having just a slot where either the missiles or autocannon batteries plug in.

New missions are sorely needed, hopefully they'll be more "tourney oriented" than "fluffy". The game needs more spice in its actual semi competitive pick up and play sphere, it's got enough duneonmasterfights with planetstrike and apoc now.

I wonder if the missions will continue to be symmetrical, as in each side has the same objective. Missions where both sides have different objectives are far more fun.

Missions where the other player doesn't know what the opposing player's mission is can also be fun.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I wonder if the missions will continue to be symmetrical, as in each side has the same objective. Missions where both sides have different objectives are far more fun.

Missions where the other player doesn't know what the opposing player's mission is can also be fun.

Unfortunately those fall under the "fluffy" sphere, as unequal objective missions are really hard to balance without a static build. I guess I'll have to hope for a mix of symmetrical starcraft fights and Asymmetrical objective games. You're right though, those are missing from the rulebook.

ShumaGorath wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I wonder if the missions will continue to be symmetrical, as in each side has the same objective. Missions where both sides have different objectives are far more fun.

Missions where the other player doesn't know what the opposing player's mission is can also be fun.

Unfortunately those fall under the "fluffy" sphere, as unequal objective missions are really hard to balance without a static build. I guess I'll have to hope for a mix of symmetrical starcraft fights and Asymmetrical objective games. You're right though, those are missing from the rulebook.

Its like what, 30 missions? I'm sure they'll try to appeal to as many members of their playerbase as possible. If we all know one thing, its that GW loves money.

Shummy wrote:Unfortunately those fall under the "fluffy" sphere, as unequal objective missions are really hard to balance without a static build.

Not really.

Think of the way 2nd Ed did missions. You drew a card, and that was your objective. Now, granted, virtually every mission was a VP mission, so you could theoretically ignore your mission and just go for the VP win, but the mission objectives allowed players to try to do very different things to one another.

Then there are the 'Rules of Engagement' that came out in 3rd (4th?)? That was essentially a way of randomising missions.

Each player had two objective markers, and there were about 11 different mission types. Some missions asked you to hold your objectives, some asked you to hold your opponent's, some asked you to hold one of each, hold as many as you could and some even ignored the objectives altogether. Each mission type had its own mission special rules (so you might have Deep Strike, and they might have Infiltrate), and both players could have different objectives (ie. I have to hold my two objectives, and he has to take mine). The deployment zones were also randomised, so any mission could be quarters, L-shaped or simple side-to-side.

They made games different, as both sides often had a different objective. No need for alternate Forge Orgs or other such things (like Planetstrike or the 'Advanced' 40K missions like Breakout and Meatgrinder). Honestly, if they included that along with the 30 other missions, it would be good.

I'm pretty sure that the book will also contain a set of guidelines for creating your own missions, along with the promise of the GW site and WD having some minor additions over time.

Candroth wrote:(WHY DO THEY HAVE TO LIVE A THOUSAND MILES AWAY)

I hear that(and share in your pain).


I have high hopes for this book, including hoping for a couple PS, CoD, and Apoc missions thrown in the mix.

Commander Endova wrote:

ShumaGorath wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I wonder if the missions will continue to be symmetrical, as in each side has the same objective. Missions where both sides have different objectives are far more fun.

Missions where the other player doesn't know what the opposing player's mission is can also be fun.

Unfortunately those fall under the "fluffy" sphere, as unequal objective missions are really hard to balance without a static build. I guess I'll have to hope for a mix of symmetrical starcraft fights and Asymmetrical objective games. You're right though, those are missing from the rulebook.

Its like what, 30 missions? I'm sure they'll try to appeal to as many members of their playerbase as possible. If we all know one thing, its that GW loves money.

True, I guess my biggest hope is that they segment them according to the kind of missions they are "competitive, fluffy, mix".

Then there are the 'Rules of Engagement' that came out in 3rd (4th?)? That was essentially a way of randomising missions.

I started in third. The asymmetrical missions were rarely balanced in my view. I can't really speak to second edition though.

The asymmetrical missions in the 3rd Ed rulebook, yes, I agree. The 'Rules of Engagement' ones were far simpler than that, and allowed for differing mission objectives.

And keep in mind that it's "differing" objectives, not "opposed" mission objectives. So it's a case of one side having a "Kill the enemy commander" while the other player has "hold the quarters" rather than "Kill the enemy commander" and "don't let the enemy kill my commander".

Apocalypse Reload has some lovely personal secondary objectives for commanders to pursue.

You know, this is something that has occurred to me.

What if, in place of the "standard" 40k rules being used for tournament play...

They brought back a more balanced version of Kill Teams for it?

Kanluwen wrote:You know, this is something that has occurred to me.

What if, in place of the "standard" 40k rules being used for tournament play...

They brought back a more balanced version of Kill Teams for it?

I would personally deuce my pants with joy if they brought back Kill-Tem or some form of =I=munda style game. K.T. was one thing I missed a tonne when I switched to 5th. Though if they did that, they'd need to include a 'swap sprue' with all kinds of abstract heads/arms/weapons/armour/etc... on it.

I hope the Basilisk is going to be like the new Demolisher and Hellhound kits: you can choose between X variants. I'm going to build a Medusa, but I'm waiting on buying the *old* Basilisk, as I'm afraid that there will be a Medusa kit released. I also hope there will be a new standard Leman Russ kit.

/Leaf

Whats the point of a plastic warboss kit? They only have 1 option.. Power klaw

and i guess 'uge choppa for people who want their warboss to really not accomplish a whole lot

I never did Kill Team myself. What was in it that wouldn't work in 5th?

but some people want to give him different guns etc... plus GW likes to say look new model go and buy it now Kthnxbi

Kirasu wrote:Whats the point of a plastic warboss kit? They only have 1 option.. Power klaw

Maybe there will be a bike in it...

You know, now that I think of it.

Guys, gals, its, they say they will be based off of black library novels.

Invasion.

I'm afraid that this new pack of gak is the warning of this.

Warlaser 40k: The dawn of Multilasers.

I cannot believe nobody saw this coming.

This thread lacks certain elements of Multilasers.

No doubt we will have Landrazors, tank surfing, and the best yet, multilasers, in the 30 missions.

Oh, I wonder how GW will balance my razorback changing into a land raider every one of my opponents phases.

Aswell as my razorback having a trans. capacity of 20, seeing as 10 inside, 10 on the sides and top.

I can't wait for the Kill Team mission where you get a single Firewarrior and destroy several squads of Marines, Chaos Marines and a Titan - all by yourself!

Karon wrote:Guys, gals, its, they say they will be based off of black library novels.

In that case, time to dust off my Eldar, becase Eldar are made of WIN!

I never understood the attraction to killteam. The games rules aren't complicated enough for it to be exciting or fun in a small scale.

Karon wrote:You know, now that I think of it.

Guys, gals, its, they say they will be based off of black library novels.

Invasion.

I'm afraid that this new pack of gak is the warning of this.

Warlaser 40k: The dawn of Multilasers.

I cannot believe nobody saw this coming.

This thread lacks certain elements of Multilasers.

No doubt we will have Landrazors, tank surfing, and the best yet, multilasers, in the 30 missions.

Oh, I wonder how GW will balance my razorback changing into a land raider every one of my opponents phases.

Aswell as my razorback having a trans. capacity of 20, seeing as 10 inside, 10 on the sides and top.

Come to think of it, Terminators might get a +1 to their I in this case, in order to accurately represent their secret ability to backflip

If Kill Team makes a come back, I do hope that they make the rules for the goon squads more attractive and simpler to use. I was always stuck playing as the goons and that's never fun.

Does anyone have the PDF for Kill Team by any chance? I know it was up on GW ages and ages ago, but I don't think I ever downloaded it.

I've got both PDF files hidden away somewhere I think.

While plastic kans and deff dreads and a warboss box all sounds good, Orks are still missing a few things;

Wazdakka
Zogwort
Flash Gitz

Since most of the special characters are GW Exclusives, it wouldn't surprise me in the least if all we got was the last of our special characters. Flash Gitz would be nice, but actually, all we'd need is a Snazzgun sprue box, and I'm sure people would eat it up (myself included). I look forward to seeing what comes out. If it's Plastic Killa Kans, I'll buy the 8 I still need on the spot.

Commander Endova wrote:If we all know one thing, its that GW loves money.

Yes.

Commander Endova wrote:I'm sure they'll try to appeal to as many members of their playerbase as possible.

No.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I can't wait for the Kill Team mission where you get a single Firewarrior and destroy several squads of Marines, Chaos Marines and a Titan - all by yourself!

Someone really didn't like the premise of a certain videogame and the book that was based on it, ey?

Karon wrote:Guys, gals, its, they say they will be based off of black library novels.

*crosses fingers for rules and a model für Cain and Jugen*

ShumaGorath wrote:I never understood the attraction to killteam. The games rules aren't complicated enough for it to be exciting or fun in a small scale.

There once have been some additional rules in a WD, introducing things like "Boss Fights", which was kinda cool. But I know what you mean.

Anung Un Rama wrote:Someone really didn't like the premise of a certain videogame and the book that was based on it, ey?

Firewarrior was a fun book. Terrible, terrible, awful, horrible game, but a fun book. That said, suspension of disbelief goes out the window when he kills about 20+ Marines single-handedly. And the book has so many Deus Ex Machinas it's not funny.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Does anyone have the PDF for Kill Team by any chance? I know it was up on GW ages and ages ago, but I don't think I ever downloaded it.

Sadly, they're not up on GW's site anymore. I think GW's legal team sent a C&D letter to GW for hosting those files last month...

Which is probably only slightly siller and perhaps only very slightly less likely than Fox try to sue The Simpsons for making fun of Fox News.

Vale,

JohnS

This sounds like a very fun birthday (yes, my birthday is in march, horay for me )

Tasty mission book with lots of varied updated models.. needs more tau... then again tau models are pretty set from all the 4th editon boxes.

I have personaly built 3 killa kans for a friend and let me tell you... they are some of the WORST metal i've worked with.. Not even some pinning can save them from construction faults ):

Also i agree with more IG plastics. Plastic artilery kit would be lovely imo since the bassy has a min range of 24" (Which is kinda buggered in non-apoc games imho)

Yay for more spesh marein plastics... Pleast tell me they have a plastic commander boreial model?

Hm, I'm not sure what to think of this. One way I like the idea to have more missions (maybe with specific rules) and some new models (of course we need moar marinnghz! ), otoh why should I pay for a summary of ideas I can easily gather in forums? Those are probably more balanced /playtested ( GW playtesting...) and for free.
At worst it will hinder the releases of codices, at best it adds a nice touch to small games. The latter would be a surprise as you wouldn't need to buy new/ more models... Well, we'll see.

Edorian wrote:At best it adds a nice touch to small games

I believe that it would add quite a bit more fun to social gamers who just follow what's written.. or people who just play the mission "KILL KILL KILL MAUL BURN RAPE STAB etc etc"

Has anyone stopped to ask why they are announcing this so far ahead of time when other more imminent products still do not have good previews released? Curious.

Plastic Mega armor nobz (you cant order the plain t-l shoota one anymore).

/Facetiousness on...

I wonder if this is a way to go after those that do write custom missions. Release a book that has a ton of objectives/missions, then send a C&D to any site who has posted custom missions as they now infringe on GW IP and trademarks!? Sounds just like a GW legal scheme!

/Facetiousness off.

Could there possibly be a plastic Librarian/Chaplain kit in the offing?

(Apologies if this has already been mentioned/guessed at!)

H.B.M.C. wrote:Does anyone have the PDF for Kill Team by any chance? I know it was up on GW ages and ages ago, but I don't think I ever downloaded it.

www.forgeworld.co.uk/pdf/kill-team-part1.pdf

www.forgeworld.co.uk/pdf/kill-team-part2.pdf

They are hosted on forgeworld, so I guess its legal to link them?

Yet more marine stuff eh?

Besides Master of the Forge, we're also missing a key model.

Ko'Sarro Khan. On a freakin' bike.

Anywhoo, nice to see the new Guard and Ork Stuff, and I'm certainly going to purchase Battle Missions.

Alpharius wrote:Could there possibly be a plastic Librarian/Chaplain kit in the offing?

(Apologies if this has already been mentioned/guessed at!)

I don't think so, as the current metals of the Libby/Chaplain are still circulating.

Cryonicleech wrote:Yet more marine stuff eh?

Ko'Sarro Khan. On a freakin' bike.

Yeah, just like the Warboss on Bike model. It's awesome......wait....

Get back in line. Beakie.

BrassScorpion wrote:Has anyone stopped to ask why they are announcing this so far ahead of time when other more imminent products still do not have good previews released? Curious.

Nope, too busy squeezing every last tenuous drop of possible forthcoming release news from this rare leak. I heard that the mission book heralds the release of Codex: Harlequins

Harump! I do believe you mean codex: Assassins!

BrookM wrote:Harump! I do believe you mean codex: Assassins!

I like the 2E version of C: A better than the 3E version. How about you?

BrassScorpion wrote:Has anyone stopped to ask why they are announcing this so far ahead of time when other more imminent products still do not have good previews released? Curious.

So they can one up the typical Internet leaks and announce it early? Like I wish they would actually do? Regardless, I really like the idea of a mission book. I remember most 3rd ed codeces had a special mission in the back - never got around to playing any of them, but they sounded cool.

As for the new kits, the only hint we've got is the basilisk in the picture. If someone has said the same things I'm about to say, I apologize:

- The side armor is much thinner than the regular Chimera side armor, and more in line with the Hellhound.
- Notice the stowage hatches on the side armor.
- I'm guessing that the Hellhound chassis sprue will be included with a recut cannon sprue, hopefully featuring one or two other gun options.
- And, well, the earthshaker cannon looks the same, but it already looked good so I don't mind.

Anyway, those are my thoughts.

Yeah I'm beginning to think that the Basilisk bitz are going to be re-cut as opposed to re-sculpted.

Pity that.

I don't see an issue with that, though.

The Basilisk has really kept itself in there. It's still one of the better Guard armor kits. The only thing I could see them really doing is a variant gun shield, the Medusa cannon and some actual loader models hauling a shell up.

Nothing wrong with that - just a bit odd, that's all. My fear is that it won't come with any other arty kits, though I consider that unlikely (Medusa for sure, maybe Colossus).

I haven't actually seen a Colossus, to be honest. The description reminded me of an upscaled Medusa though.

I still say though, a Hydra/Manticore kit would be the best combination in that regards. Heck, you could even have the Deathstrike packaged in that way!

If they were re-sculpting then the medusa will be easy - it's pretty much a bassy with a little barrel.

Blood ravens or Crimsons Fist Chapter Codex (figures crossed)

Kanluwen wrote:I haven't actually seen a Colossus, to be honest. The description reminded me of an upscaled Medusa though.

The Colossus appears to be a Bombard on a Chimera Chassis. Not really sure how that'd look as a model though - the Bombard is very cool, but it's a Russ variant.

If I get a real Wazdakka model I'll probably play Orks for the rest of my natural life and, if it exists, the entire afterlife.

I'm pretty sure that new Basilisk kit will feature more than just the regular Basilisk. Here's hoping for at least the inclusion of the Medusa and fingers crossed, the Griffon.

Ah yes, forgot about the Griffon.

This is the problem with having so many new units in your Codex - none of them ever get any models. We get a Basilisk and Griffon kit. And Medusa? Does that mean the Colossus is stand-alone? Or a Bassie/Griffon kit, then a Medusa/Colossus kit. Then a Manticore/Hydra kit. What about the Death Strike? And this is before we even get to the Vanquisher, Exterminator and Eradicator. Is the new Russ kit (assuming there even is one) going to have four variant turrets in it? And then there's the Chimera...

I can excuse the Vendetta, because I'm 100% certain that was invented long after the Valk kit was finalised, but my God it's like 2nd Ed and early 3rd all over again.

it looks like 2010 is going to beat 2009 for warhamster releases. I'm looking forward to it already!

bring on the legion of the damned!!

From the look of things, the new Russ kit will feature four weapon load-outs. If I have to go by stupid-logic I'd say look in the codex, the art of the four remaining patterns share the same turret design. It's the same story with the Demolisher kit really, all you need is four different barrel sets and presto, quick and easy kit that can be used to represent as much as possible.

But with the Artillery boxed set, I really, really hope that parts for the Griffon are included. I'm fielding one right now and the little darling has been performing so marvellously that I'm seriously considering fielding a whole squadron of them. Only downer is of course, only FW is selling them right now and while the look good, I'm not that interested in trying my luck with FW any further. At least not until IA8 is upon us.

I'm thinking that the Deathstrike and Colossus are two of those models that aren't going to happen any time soon or will most likely be tackled by Forge World. Or if GW is in a very generous mood, make some suggestions on how to best convert the fethers up. A Hydra/Manticore kit on the other hand is plausible, if a long way off. Unless GW plans on surprising us.

Alpharius wrote:Could there possibly be a plastic Librarian/Chaplain kit in the offing?

(Apologies if this has already been mentioned/guessed at!)

God I hope this one is true! And the complete artillery kit for IG. I don't even care about Storm Troopers or Rough Riders anymore, just give me all my artillery!

I can't remember but doesn't the basilisk already have the cannon stuff on a separate sprue? I'm betting the "new" kit will just be the old cannon sprues with the new Hellhound chimera chassis, thats what it looks like to me.

faeslayer wrote:If I get a real Wazdakka model I'll probably play Orks for the rest of my natural life and, if it exists, the entire afterlife.

If they really make one, I'll have to come up with new rules for my Big Mek on Jetbike.

Well, it should be a coimbined kit. It's not hard to imagine that these can share the same box:

It's not hard to imagine that these can share the same box

Or more importantly, the same couple of sprues. The Demolisher kit and Hellhound kit show how easy it is for them now to put the parts for multiple variants on very few sprues and by doing so they are able to ask for a premium price that many hobbyists are willing to pay. A 3-variants-in-1 SPA kit for some of the remaining IG models would be cool and likely be a good seller in spite of the likely $49.50 US price.

As long as it doesn't cost more than the current Hellhound and Demolisher boxed sets I'm game.

You are all wrong. New Catachan models. I'm putting money on it.

Necros wrote:I'm betting the "new" kit will just be the old cannon sprues with the new Hellhound chimera chassis, thats what it looks like to me.

That's a safe bet. It brings manufacturing cost down immediately, and simplifies construction to boot. Then GW can update the upper deck at their leisure.

As far as IG stuff is concerned I think alternate regiments are the least likely at this time.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Necros wrote:I'm betting the "new" kit will just be the old cannon sprues with the new Hellhound chimera chassis, thats what it looks like to me.

That's a safe bet. It brings manufacturing cost down immediately, and simplifies construction to boot. Then GW can update the upper deck at their leisure.

It will use the hellhound/chimera that have been update, but I think they're going to recut the sprues for the cannon and all the other parts. With their current technology they can better maximize the use of space on the sprues. While it may take time to cut a new tool the advantages of taking two smaller sprues and replacing them with a single larger sprue easily outweigh the cost. It allows the addition of some new bits possibly a second primary weapon option... maybe some crew members.

Might be worth mentioning that Hormagaunts/Termagaunts disappeared from the GW site a few months ago and now they are released anew.

I cant see the mega-armour with twin-linked shoota anywhere on the GW site; might be a hint new mega armour (possibly plastic) will be released in March?

The other mega armours are still present, so we can safely assume that there won't be a plastic boxed set any time soon.

Heres hoping for crew and shells in the basilisk/medsa/? kit, but i highly doubt it.

Funnily enough, I actually assembled a full crew of 4 or 5 Cadians to crew an open-topped artillery piece.

Too bad all of my armor is closed top.

In the mean time, we wait for an artillery project worthy of crewing!

Well there are these
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/hacmed.htm

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/hacshc.htm
They are quite worthy of a crew

Not quite what I have in mind, but thanks for the suggestions. They're just a bit too conventional for my tastes.

Well, plus they already have crew figures...

im not big fan of metal models so i hope all models they come out with are plastic kits

SM: should get librarian + dread kit

IG: Armour tanks n stuff is wot every IG player would appreciate

Orks: ah this is where my interest lies ..... Orks deff need a plastic kit for Deff dreadz + kanz cuz those things are bloody old and expensive as any thing!!!!
hell most common skratch built ork model is Kanz+Deffs.

deff koptas and boss kit i really don't think are needed ATM like the way ork players would kill for Dreads/Kanz + buggies/Trakks (every ork player i know got the black reach box or at least got bits from it and we have 2 other WB models k not with powerklaw but that didn't stop any one till now to give them one)

If they do make WB kit then i hope we get option that it can be made into WB or Big MEK or Mad Dok

Trakks/buggies i would even consider not that important either cuz you can make one very easily from the truck sprue .... so then again were left with dreads/kanz

One more thing ill consider really important model would be Looted wagon/Tank weve never seen a model for that and neither for wazdaka those 2 are models that i think every ork player has at least thought of once "wot would they look like if GW made em?"

so here is hoping for kanz/dread plastic kit which we all want for sure

Has anyone else noted that that Hive Tyrant is bigger than the regular one and looks plastic?

New Orc buggies and trakks would be great, the old one's are part of the reason my orc army has not seen the light of day for years, they look crap next to the newer stuff.
Bring it on

So... will the IG stuff be out before Adepticon?

aka_mythos wrote:As far as IG stuff is concerned I think alternate regiments are the least likely at this time.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Necros wrote:I'm betting the "new" kit will just be the old cannon sprues with the new Hellhound chimera chassis, thats what it looks like to me.

That's a safe bet. It brings manufacturing cost down immediately, and simplifies construction to boot. Then GW can update the upper deck at their leisure.

It will use the hellhound/chimera that have been update, but I think they're going to recut the sprues for the cannon and all the other parts. With their current technology they can better maximize the use of space on the sprues. While it may take time to cut a new tool the advantages of taking two smaller sprues and replacing them with a single larger sprue easily outweigh the cost. It allows the addition of some new bits possibly a second primary weapon option... maybe some crew members.

GW still might not do it. One thing that struck me is how barren the termagant and hormagaunt sprues are. Zero extra parts, zero scenic bits, lots of empty space. Compared to, say, the greatswords, the difference is staggering.