If you do not recieve a PM role, its because your an Imperial Citizen, Im too Lazy to send PM roles to citizens too


Greetings and welcome to all concerned. First off, if you are not a player in this game please Do not post in this thread!

Okay FOR THE PLAYERS! Your roles have been sent to you via PM. All roles were decided by me via a few dice rolls and were completely random. I will verify that there is at least one pro-town role (like an Inquisitor or Doctor) and that there are two Genestealers in your midst.

Rules

Votes

1) Votes must be in bold, if you do not bold your vote it will not be counted. This is a good vote - Vote: Gornall this is a not good vote - Vote:Gornall.

2) Please unvote if necessary before casting a new vote, it makes counting them much easier. (you are allowed to unvote as many times as you wish during a day cycle, so feel free to keep shifting your vote around as your suspicions change)

3) Lynching will require a simple majority of votes. Once a player has reached the necessary majority, their pleas are useless and any attempts to unvote will be unheeded. Thus, as soon as any player has a majority vote that player will be lynched and all subsequent voting does not count. Feel free to post other thoughts while waiting for the lynch scene if you desire. With 7 alive 4 votes are required to lynch. With 3 alive, 2 votes would be required. Ect. ect.

4) You may vote: no lynch. If No Lynch is the majority votes at any time then the day will end with no lynch and move on to the night phase.

5) Vote counts will be tabulated and posted by me at semi-regular intervals or when requested.


Deadlines

1) I will be enforcing a fixed two week Day Phase deadline. All Night Phases have a 72 hour deadline. Deadlines will be counted from the Moderator (my) story posts that will initiate each day and night phase.

2) At the three week deadline lynching will require the same number of votes as usual, if this number is not reached the day will end 'no lynch'.

3) If you have a night choice to make, it is due by the posted deadline. I will not wait for you. If you do not submit a choice to me then nothing will happen... at all... not even a little bit.


Posting

1) The game is not to be discussed outside the thread unless your role specifically states that you may do so – and then only at night. Honor system is in effect.

2) Once your death scene has been posted, you’re dead. Stop typing. A single “Bah, you fools!” type post is allowable, but no more please.

3) No small or invisible text. Don’t edit/delete previously submitted posts either. Secret codes worked into your regular text are allowable. Going back and editing a post may be grounds for disqualification from the game based on my whim.

4) Don’t quote any PMs from me. If you do, I will be most unhappy. Do not metagame by using any part of role PMs to figure out what roles others may or may not have (i.e. 'everyone post the third letter from the second line of their role PM') Any such metagame activity will result in a modkill (in other words, I'll declare you dead and the game will move to the next phase)

5) If you anticipate being unavailable for more than 3 days, please post a notice to that effect in the thread. Treat this game as a commitment. Be considerate – don’t leave us hanging.

6) Game Mods are human (allegedly), if I make a mistake please PM me I will rectify the mistake as soon as I can.

7) Please bold anything you want me to see.. Also, please try to avoid bolding anything else to ensure I DO see the ones I need to.

Prods aka 'That guy hasn't posted in a while'

1)A player will get prodded if they have been inactive for three days.

2)Weekends count as one day. (ie If your last post is on a Thursday you will not be prodded till the Monday following)

3) If you do not pick up your prod/post in game within 48 hours of it being sent I will start to look for a replacement.

4) Please post in game if you are going to be unavailable for more than 48 hours.

Misc

Remember, it’s a game and it’s supposed to be fun. Be nice to your fellow players.

If you have a problem in game please PM me to discuss it.

The rules etc can and will be edited at any point if I deem it necessary.

Breaking the rules can be bad for your health, I reserve the right to modkill for serious/repeated naughtiness




You are nine Scribes of the Adeptus Adminstration, you work deep underground on the Forge World Agripinaa, your job is to file, organise and record the workings of your masters. You work in a small room filled with computers, you are overseen by adepts of the lowest standard, most have been sent here by there masters for discipline, the current adept overseeing you is very mean, he allowes you little sleep, and punishes you when too little work is done.

It is just a normal boring day, your all at your work stations, Adept Booba is particulary mean today, he is working his way through the room, screaming and shouting at everyone in his way. Suddenly you hear a loud crashing sound, the room rocks, everyone falls off there chairs with a cry. When the smoke clears it seems your two Skitarii guard have been crushed by falling rock, and the entrance is blocked! The computers have all shut down, and you have nothing too do. Adept Booba decided, that as there nothing to do, he shall shut himself down for exactly 6:00 hours, he tells them all to get some sleep, because work will resume when the computers are back online, and they will have to work double time to catch up. Happy to catch a little shut eye, everyone immediantly runs to their bunks.

You all wake up at the same time, checking your watches you see its been ten hours! You realise that something must be wrong, and run to Adept Booba's room. Inside you find that the Adept has been gruesomely killed, the walls are covered in blood, it seems to be two people who have killed him.


With Nine People Alive It Takes Five To Lynch!

"Dear Emperor!!"
*passes out*

Wait a minute, I wanted to be an alternate scribe, I shouldn't even be here.

Vote: airman

A weak fortitude is a sign of a lack of the Emperor's grace.

"Wait, why me? You don't have any proof that I was the one who killed the adept."

You woke up awfully quick after fainting - seems like some sort of xenos anti-fainting gene at work there to me.

((OOC - I always open games with random votes and encourage others to as well. I feel it's the best way to get people talking.))

Thor665 wrote:You woke up awfully quick after fainting - seems like some sort of xenos anti-fainting gene at work there to me.

"If you must know I am a very light sleeper."

Interesting. Thor seems to be remarkably quick to start voting.

Oh. Maybe I should read all the posts...

(Going to bed. See you tomorrow)

Emperor help us!

"God-Emperor protect us all..." I say bringing a handkerchief up to cover my mouth. "What in his most holy name could have done this?"

Does anyone know if the computers are back up, I need to get back on DakkaDakka... I mean continue filing the master's work?

"Emperor protect us! What the hell happened here? I know Adept Booba wasn't liked very much, but that is just way too much. I see you are as efficient as ever Thor, but I guess you would be being the best scribe in this department"

Arheiner wrote:Does anyone know if the computers are back up, I need to get back on DakkaDakka... I mean continue filing the master's work?

OOC: LOL

So what do we do now to uproot the killers among us?

we talk then in a day or so we get asked to vote who it is also someowhen someone will get murdered
so should be a murder soon

Everyone is so quiet... we need to start figuring this out before the killer strikes again.

((OOC - please don't get me started yet again on why the random voting concept is so worthwhile. Still, since everyone seems to be simply gasping "Emperor" and asking "what next" it seems to me we are required yet again to go through the bother of trying to post in character the logistics of the rules of the game we've agreed to play. So, here goes....))

::Thor takes in a steady breath and launches into a lengthy discussion showcasing how there are no doubt two Genestealers and outlining the evidence thereof which everyone can see and agree with. You all then postulates about how long till rescue will arrive and what we all need to do to survive - which is catch and kill the Genestealers. All of you embark into a lengthy debate and eventually a voting method is agreed upon wherein you will pick and kill one person a day cycle in an attempt to capture and kill the Genestealers amongst you.::

*whew* ::Thor wipes his brow.:: So now that we sorted that out, who are people voting for? I still advocate that getting votes out is the best way to begin conversation.

I'm still currently voting for airman because of his abhuman seeming sleep cycles.

I'm voting for Vulkan because he smells like cheese.

Gornall wrote:I'm voting for Vulkan because he smells like cheese.

OOC: What???

OOC:: A little joke on the whole Vulkan = broken, Vulkan Cheesestan complaints if you try and run him in Marine lists.

airman wrote:

Gornall wrote:I'm voting for Vulkan because he smells like cheese.

OOC:What???

((OOC - Gornall is participating in what is known as the Random Voting Stage (or RVS). RVS is used in Mafia games (upon which Genestealer is based) as a way to begin the Day 1 phase and start up conversation. People throw out random votes at other players for such relevant reasons as a difficult to spell username or for having an ugly avatar, or for posting first or for not yet posting (or for smelling like cheese). The person who was voted for will usually try to defend themselves in some manner and other players may or may not vote for the person in question. Since there is a team of players who know who their allies are and have a desire to vote out people who are not on that team (the Genestealers) the RVS can be used to see who perhaps defends someone, or who seeks to aid in voting for someone. In the end it is a way to begin conversation, to begin the voting process, and to also hopefully begin a method by which Genestealers may be located (since we have to get the talking and voting to spot the irregularities in their pattern). Our goal during RVS is to thus put out some votes to begin conversation, but not to yet rush into a lynch situation.))

((in character)) I always wondered what that smell was.

Arheiner wrote:Does anyone know if the computers are back up, I need to get back on DakkaDakka... I mean continue filing the master's work?

"Wait. You would rather access the computer network than discover the killers?"

Thor665 wrote:((OOC - please don't get me started yet again on why the random voting concept is so worthwhile. Still, since everyone seems to be simply gasping "Emperor" and asking "what next" it seems to me we are required yet again to go through the bother of trying to post in character the logistics of the rules of the game we've agreed to play. So, here goes....))

::Thor takes in a steady breath and launches into a lengthy discussion showcasing how there are no doubt two Genestealers and outlining the evidence thereof which everyone can see and agree with. You all then postulates about how long till rescue will arrive and what we all need to do to survive - which is catch and kill the Genestealers. All of you embark into a lengthy debate and eventually a voting method is agreed upon wherein you will pick and kill one person a day cycle in an attempt to capture and kill the Genestealers amongst you.::

*whew* ::Thor wipes his brow.:: So now that we sorted that out, who are people voting for? I still advocate that getting votes out is the best way to begin conversation.

I'm still currently voting for airman because of his abhuman seeming sleep cycles.

Yes, voting does seem the wise idea. I VOTE: n0t_U there seemed to be something suspicious about him from when we first arrived.

airman wrote:

Arheiner wrote:Does anyone know if the computers are back up, I need to get back on DakkaDakka... I mean continue filing the master's work?

"Wait. You would rather access the computer network than discover the killers?"

We've got all day to start that, and it's not like we've got a lead yet. When there's something, i'll follow it but i'm one who supports waiting on the sidelines and hearing who others are and waiting for some sort of lead.

So you're saying your plan is to lurk on the sidelines and hopefully pounce on someone who seems scummy to you? How are you planning to get them to act in a suspicious way if you don't attempt to interact with them at all?

Lurking in the shadows is something more suited to the traitors and not to one who wants to seek the Emperor's light.

I'm more than prepared to come out and vote after the first signs that anything has happened, but until then i'm not prepared to trust anyone. I'm prepared to give my story (tomorrow, going to FLGS in 15 mins.) By what I meant though is I will talk but I won't judge or vote unless something seems very wrong or traitors have shown their true selves.

BrotherStynier wrote:Yes, voting does seem the wise idea. I VOTE: n0t_U there seemed to be something suspicious about him from when we first arrived.

Suspicious how? Perhaps it is because I'm locked into a role that I have no idea about. Or maybe it is simply because I was the loyalist assassin and you, the possible traitor, fear that I might get a lucky first assassination and get either you or another traitor. Or is it because I hadn't voted yet because I live in a different time zone, it happened last time I won't be surprised if it happens again

Not being a petty person I won't vote for you simply because you're voting for me, instead I will vote for someone who does seem suspicious to me; Arheiner. We proved it last game, a traitor wants to hide in the shadows and perhaps get a no lynch while appearing as if it wasn't an intentional.

Vote: Arheiner

OOC: I wouldn't go around putting things like "live in a different time zone", "it happened last time", or "we proved it last game. My post was in character and I suggest you get into it as well, last I checked we don't have a guy sitting here waiting to kill us if we are voted off.

IC: Perhaps I am simply casting may gaze to you in order to lure the enemy into voting for you as well. My goal was to see if anyone would jump on for little or no reason. Though you did seem to jump on Arheiner for little more than wishing to remain quiet. Though I do find his way of finding those guilty to be a bit lacking.

Your jumping onto the vote for him strikes me odd as well, I simply thought that for now our reasons for voting were to get people talking, you seem to be doing what I was trying to get the heretics to do.

OOC: Last time it created the occasional large gap between my posts and that appeared suspicious.
Wishing to remain quiet means you want to pass by without gaining too much attention. I'm not saying we should spam, its just that it seems odd you would want to hold off voting unless you wanted to not gain any attention.


IC: Speaking of little to no reason, you yourself started voting for me for even less reason than my own vote. Fairly more suspicious than my own vote. How do you know it wasn't simply my way of getting people to talk myself.

Perhaps you are actually casting your gaze on me to draw the gaze of the other loyalists away from yourself. How did I seem suspicious, I generally want to know, was it because I asked the Emperor for protection from the foul mutants that are stalking us and that you fear his almighty gaze of justice upon you. Or was it because I claimed that Thor was the best scribe and you are mearly jealous of this fact. Now is not the time to be petty, the enemy stalks us and we won't find them by simply yelling at each other. The foul beasts hiding in the shadows, laughing at the chaos they have unleased upon the servants of the Imperium.

I was simply stating what I noticed over our time in the work place, all huddled in your cubical and overly anxious to please, as if you were trying to kiss up to the deceased and now he's gone you turn to the second best of us in attempt to get close.

My questioning of you is not out of jealousy, I am content with my given place as it is where the God-Emperor wishes us to be. Surely this is all a test to prove ourselves worthy in the Emperor's eyes.

Yes it is our lord testing us, we will prevail for he protects and guides us. You should know that I haven't been quite right since the accident. Remember you were there, a huge pile of books collapsed on top of me and the wife, killed her and left me with brain damage. All I have left now is my faith in the Emperor, I have endured my test for years, yet it is nothing to his endurance. I worked hard not to seem great to Adept Booba, but for the Emperor. I was simply showing my respect to Thor's ability as a scribe for it helps our lord watch over us and records the information gathered by his servants for the future in case we need the information of the past to help the Imperium move forward.

I am of the opinion that EVERYONE should be throwing out votes so we can use our number-crunching skills to pick up on the latent patterns in the voting. I think certain members' refusal to vote at all is somewhat interesting and bears further observation.

I don't remember any such incident, n0t_u.

Vote n0t_u

Mekboy wrote:I don't remember any such incident, n0t_u.

What incident?

I don't recall n0t_u's incident either. Gornall, we refer to the incident we refer to is the bookshelf collapse.

Gornall wrote:

Mekboy wrote:I don't remember any such incident, n0t_u.

What incident?

n0t_u wrote: You should know that I haven't been quite right since the accident. Remember you were there, a huge pile of books collapsed on top of me and the wife, killed her and left me with brain damage.

That part at least makes sense to me, but then there's this...

n0t_u wrote:Suspicious how? Perhaps it is because I'm locked into a role that I have no idea about. Or maybe it is simply because I was the loyalist assassin and you, the possible traitor, fear that I might get a lucky first assassination and get either you or another traitor.

For the record, if anyone here is more then a scribe and still serves the Emperor, like a Inquisitor or doctor type person, I think it would behoove us all that you remain silent about that fact for at least a day. That said, I do feel obligated to ask n0t_u, what in the universe he is talking about here? Surely you are not claiming to be a member of the Officio Assasinorium who has brain damage from falling books... ::edges away from n0t_U just in case::

BrotherStynier wrote:I don't recall n0t_u's incident either. Gornall, we refer to the incident we refer to is the bookshelf collapse.

Ah... that makes sense. I am having a hard time understanding his babble.

VOTE: Arheiner
Laxity is a sin against the Emperor.

Ye First Voting Summary.

Thor665-
N0t_u-BrotherStynier, Mekboy
Gornall-
Airman-Thor665
Mekboy-
Arheiner-N0t_u, Airman
BrotherStynier-
Vulkan_He'stan-Gornall
Lord Of Ghosts-

With 9 people alive, its 5 to Lynch.

I think Lord of Ghosts is being entirely too quiet... (again ).

If people are going to view me as suspicious for wanting some evidence before voting, then I'll play the game by their rules

VOTE: n0t_U

I know I can trust myself, and if someone's going against me straight away despite my innocence, then I'm going to retaliate.

@ Lord-Loss - in future vote counts would it be possible to include in front of the names the total number of people voting for each person? It will make it easier (at least for me) to at a glance see where we are at. Thanks in advance.

Arheiner - that seems like an awfully fast reversal of your previously stated concept of how to vote. Also, just voting for a person because they voted for you seems an odd tack. How do you see retaliation votes as being helpful to us?

Indeed Thor, his quick jump to vote for the person that cast judgment upon him is oddly suspicious, particularly since two votes have been cast on him prior. Though is this the work of a panicked man, or a traitorous xeno?

Thor665 wrote:Surely you are not claiming to be a member of the Officio Assasinorium who has brain damage from falling books... ::edges away from n0t_U just in case::

OCC: No I'm not, that was an OOC comment about the last game. I made up the incident about the falling books, as Styner had invented a situation that also occured before the game to try and back up his claim, rather dumb in my opinion. But, I retaliated to it by making up my own incident. But, I really think making up crap before the game takes place is a really low way to try and convince everyone of your claim, or rather distraction.

BrotherStynier wrote:I was simply stating what I noticed over our time in the work place, all huddled in your cubical and overly anxious to please, as if you were trying to kiss up to the deceased and now he's gone you turn to the second best of us in attempt to get close.

It is clear to me now that Arheiner isn't simply hiding in the background although his bandwagoning vote is understandable. My suspicion is now turned to Styner, trying to manipulate the others subtly from the back ground. Claiming my tactic as heretical, even though his was more dodgey. I had a valid reason for my vote, he had to make up stuff that occured before the game to back up his own. Then claims my own way of rejecting his idea as suspicious when he himself actually caused it to begin with. Without his before game event, my one would simply not exist because I would not have to waste a post with irrelivant information just to undo any possible damage done by his own lie.

Unvote: Arheiner

Vote: BrotherStynier
I'm disappointed in everyone that fell for such a crappy trick so quickly.

OOC: I pointed out nothing in particular and simply used normal work place prejudices. I didn't come up with a singular event. For all you could have known up to this point the two that voted for you after me are the xenos, working in an attempt to cause you to vote for me, which would look suspicious if we didn't end up voting for you to be lynched and then you died in the night.

I would reply with an In Character response but there is noting IC in your post.

Perhaps they are Xenos, but they can just as easily not be. While it would be supicious, you making up events that in turn convinced them to seem much more suspicious. It would be like the Xenos to act that way then try to turn the blame onto those who he had tricked.

OOC: I still fail to see any made up events, the sucking up was assumed from the way you quickly tried to be like that with Thor, I'm using what I'm given.

IC: Or having stated from the get go that my goal was to attempt to lure people into voting for one person so they could be questioned about why. The questioning of Arheiner is already taking place, we simply need to begin speaking with Mekboy.

OCC:

BrotherStynier wrote:I was simply stating what I noticed over our time in the work place, all huddled in your cubical and overly anxious to please, as if you were trying to kiss up to the deceased and now he's gone you turn to the second best of us in attempt to get close.

You created this in attempt to make me look more suspicious, an event that never happened. I had to make that story in order to counter act it. Yet all the claims of heretic are thrown at me for this, why is that? Is it because you've managed to craft a few puppets or perhaps that one of the ones who so easily joined with you are actually a traitor as well.


IC: You even just admitted it then, you claimed to lure people into voting for the same person. Then you add on a small bit to the end to try to cover the fact that you just slipped up and admitted that you are in fact trying manipulte the others into following your own heretical plan.

n0t_u wrote:OCC:

BrotherStynier wrote:I was simply stating what I noticed over our time in the work place, all huddled in your cubical and overly anxious to please, as if you were trying to kiss up to the deceased and now he's gone you turn to the second best of us in attempt to get close.

You created this in attempt to make me look more suspicious, an event that never happened. I had to make that story in order to counter act it.


IC: You even just admitted it then, you claimed to lure people into voting for the same person. Then you add on a small bit to the end to try to cover the fact that you just slipped up and admitted that you are in fact trying manipulte the others into following your own heretical plan.

OOC: As I have stated, I worked that around you claiming Thor to have been the best scribe amongst us. So you started making things up first. Now lets have fun and try not to get butt hurt anymore.

IC: My dear scribe you are being willfully ignorant of a plan I announced to everyone alittle while ago. If they are so foolish to walk right into it when I had specifically stated that by doing so they would be more suspicious to me, I find that giving away my plan would be an incredibly horrid idea and quite easily lead to my doom if I were the xenos. We may not see eye to eye, but wouldn't allow harm to come to a fellow human, I just couldn't stomach the idea that you would have died because of me.

OCC: Alright then everyone ignore the story I made up thats set before the game, obviously I just had another stupid moment
Just to add it wasn't trying to suck up to Thor I just thought that basically saying the exact same thing as everyone else would have been kind of dumb. We can only have so many "Dear Emeperor" style openings before they seem to be annoying.
Good thing we seem to have worked that out, cause that was draining away all the fun of the game for me.

IC: Fine then I'll go along with your plan for now, if it will help us see the Emperor's hand pointing out the traitors. I honestly thought you were trying to convince the others to go after me because of my faith in the Emperor. Seeing as you're not we might as well stop fighting and try to find the real heretics so we may cleanse the universe of them in the name of the Emperor.

From now on I'll have to put a fair bit more thought into who I think is the traitor because it seems that everyone is still a bit jumpy, but that can be expected from the scene that we saw earlier today.
Unvote: BrotherStynier

OCC: @Thor: The role I was referring to was that of a Scribe, like everyone else.

OOC: Sounds good to me.

IC: I'm glad we could reach an understanding.

UNVOTE: n0t_U VOTE:Mekboy


Now Mekboy, why did you vote for our fellow? It couldn't have simply been because of his story, could it?

*Comes out of his calculating meditation* (OOC:: woke up and logged back on to Dakka)

It looks like I have missed a lot in the past few minutes. I think Arheiner's behavior is slightly suspect as he was adamant about not voting, but as soon as someone had multiple votes against them, he jumped on them. However, I'm a long way from voting for anyone besides our cheese-smelling comrade. I do not think his cheese smell is indication of being a heretic, but our time will be much more bearable with it gone. If he promises to bathe, however, I will drop my vote against him. *Laughs at his own stupid jokes*

In all seriousness, he has not responded to my vote against him, and until he does it will stay there. My plan is to continue voting for people to force them to talk before moving on to the next suspect.

OOC:: Can we get a prod on LotGs? He's being uncharacteristically quiet.

((OOC - maybe he's just trying a new tactic of not saying something immensely scummy seeming within the first three pages.))

OOC:: LOL... Watch him be the traitor this game. When he's innocent he acts guilty and maybe the inverse is true.

Ok Pod on LoG coming up, I will pm his replacement too.

BrotherStynier wrote:OOC: Sounds good to me.

IC: I'm glad we could reach an understanding.

UNVOTE: n0t_U VOTE:Mekboy


Now Mekboy, why did you vote for our fellow? It couldn't have simply been because of his story, could it?

It was me simply trying to get some more votes out, and with few votes before me, I decided to cast out a random vote. However, you seeming to be jumping about on your votes somewhat hastily.

My voting has gone from luring to an attempt to force conversation, and this is about you and choosing to vote for someone with a vote already on him. Hardly seems random, my jump to you has everything to do with that, and like I have mentioned is trying to spark discussion.

Yes, my vote was completely random. (OOC: I even rolled a dice for it!). If you insist, I'll re-vote.

No, no its quite alright. I was just questioning, I figured once you had what you were seeking you would revoke it and move on as I had, if you are loyal to the Emperor as I am.

For no, I question you no longer.

UNVOTE: Mekboy

Ye Second Voting Summary.

Thor665-
N0t_u-(2)Mekboy, Arheiner
Gornall-
Airman-(1)Thor665
Mekboy-
Arheiner-(1)Airman
BrotherStynier-
Vulkan_He'stan-(1)Gornall
Emperors Faithful-

With 9 people alive, its 5 to Lynch.

I feel confident that if we continue to logically attack this problem, we shall prevail over the traitors.

You do agree though that your completely random vote did come at an odd time to cast a vote on n0t_U though, yes? I'm just wondering, after rolling that die, what went through your head to make you decide to still cast the vote?

What has changed now with some pressure by Stynier to make you now be willing to change the vote?

EBWOP - my above is directed at Mekboy - though I'm now curious why Stynier backed off of him so quickly.

UNVOTE: Arheiner
"From my knowledge of genestealer cultists, I suggest that we investigate the people that are the most inquisitive."

...coming right after I asked some questions and expressed curiosity about someone's actions should I take that as a sideways commentary towards me?

I submit that if you think I, or anyone, is suspicious it is better to question their actions that appear suspicious in order to bring their scumminess to light. Casting aspersions on someone or some set of actions without explicitly stating reasons for it seems like you're trying to paint something(someone) as guilty without wanting to open yourself up by actually coming out and saying it.

Any thoughts on this, airman?

@Thor665
Will you please answer these questions I have.
1. Will you please tell us your backstory.
2. Who do you think is the genestealer, and why.
3. If someone accused you of being a genestealer, what would you do.

Thor665 wrote:You do agree though that your completely random vote did come at an odd time to cast a vote on n0t_U though, yes? I'm just wondering, after rolling that die, what went through your head to make you decide to still cast the vote?

What has changed now with some pressure by Stynier to make you now be willing to change the vote?

Yeah, tbh it did strike me that it came at a bit of a bad time a while after I'd posted, but I'd already done it so I went along. Such a sudden change in plans would look a bit wierd.

I think I'll drop my vote, for now.
Unvote:n0t_u

I'll take it you don't have any thoughts then on my questions towards your method other then perhaps implicit agreement as shown by now asking me questions.

airman wrote:@Thor665
Will you please answer these questions I have.
1. Will you please tell us your backstory.
2. Who do you think is the genestealer, and why.
3. If someone accused you of being a genestealer, what would you do.

Sure;

1. I am a scribe for the Imperium. I work here.
2. At the moment I have no belief towards anyone that is particularly stronger then anyone else. If I did I would have said so by now. I will also note I do not believe there is the Genestealer, I know that two of the eight other people here are Genestealers and that I am a loyal scribe.
3. It would depend on how they accused me and why. At the most basic level I would challenge their logic because since I am not a Genestealer clearly their logic is flawed and I would attempt to showcase that.

Unvote:n0t_u
I believe that there's no point in voting in self-defence when they've accepted that you're prepared to talk. I apologise for how my first appearence came accross, being the newest member of the 9 scribes, I was always a little nervous and since I always was being punished by Adept Booba for being on DakkaDakka instead of filing, I was very anxious for a while after his death since I had to get used to no more whipping.

For my background, I was born on Vostroya as the third son to a high-class family. Dissapointingly to them, I had few skills, least of all warfare due to my weak frame and serious illnesses.These stopped my dream of recruitment to the Vostroyan Regiments of the Imperial Guard. I had only technological skills and logic. This lead to me taking a job here recently, as it fits both of my skills and now I've been thrust into this situation, where I may finally take part in an Imperial Victory.

((OOC - this is a general little spiel on basic Genestealer gameplay, so feel free to skip it if you feel competent enough already or just don't buy into my game theory ideas;

As a general note I will point out that a lot of you newer players feel a little gun-shy about sticking to your votes through the first wave of questions. You shouldn't be afraid to hold onto votes for a while, as having a vote or two on someone is usually what gets them to start saying interesting things that you can draw conclusions from (just look at how the first wave of RVS votes got us at least two pages or so of conversation)

I will encourage you to not be afraid to keep the vote on someone - even if you have to admit they are only slightly more scummy seeming then everyone else - as it will help conversation as they ask you to describe why you are voting for them and you ask them to defend any, even minor seeming, irregularity of action.

If any of you would like - feel free to question my vote on airman or (and I'll toss him under the bus here a bit) Gornall's vote on Vulkan. Both of us have played at least a few games and you'll get a chance to see us explain how we stick with a random vote.))
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::Thor glances around:: Where's Emperor's Faithful amongst all this discussion? I'd rather hear from everyone, and anyone being too quiet is not helping our situation.

Good point, there is the possibility LotG and Emperor's Faithful are the two traitors, but that would be to easy. We need to get them to explain a few things...

Thor665 wrote:((OOC - maybe he's just trying a new tactic of not saying something immensely scummy seeming within the first three pages.))

OCC: Perhaps he *gasp* fixed the techno, now that Arctik isn't nearby
Seriously either they're busy or trying to lay low.

::Thor glances around:: Where's Emperor's Faithful amongst all this discussion? I'd rather hear from everyone, and anyone being too quiet is not helping our situation.

The PM was just sent. My laptop fethed up the first time I sent it, so I sent it again.

Thor665 wrote:EBWOP - my above is directed at Mekboy - though I'm now curious why Stynier backed off of him so quickly.

Changing it up a little Thor, I have brought his actions of voting to the foreground and wish for some of our fellows to have a spin, I don't feel that we should do all the work for them, though if you prefer I will recast my vote for him.

VOTE:Mekboy

Now Mekboy, you say to have chosen n0t_U randomly, a likely enough scenario, but why at random? Sure at the start when there weren't votes out there random would work, but casting at random when there are several votes out there seems careless.

BrotherStynier wrote:

Thor665 wrote:EBWOP - my above is directed at Mekboy - though I'm now curious why Stynier backed off of him so quickly.

Changing it up a little Thor, I have brought his actions of voting to the foreground and wish for some of our fellows to have a spin, I don't feel that we should do all the work for them, though if you prefer I will recast my vote for him.

VOTE:Mekboy

Now Mekboy, you say to have chosen n0t_U randomly, a likely enough scenario, but why at random? Sure at the start when there weren't votes out there random would work, but casting at random when there are several votes out there seems careless.

So when questioned about dropping your vote too quickly, you almost immediately put it back on him? This seems like you're trying too hard to avoid suspicion. Frankly, I'm a little concerned because to me it looks like you two could be working together, as you both voted for Not_U very early, almost as if you're trying to get people to jump on the bandwagon (Arheiner jumped on that vote). When that didn't work out, Stynier hedged his bets by accusing Mekboy long enough to eliminate a link between them, but removed that vote very soon. However, once questioned about it, Stynier put the vote back up to try and ward off suspicion. Do you see how this could look suspicious? I'm not saying that's the case, as truthfully, Stynier jumped off a little too early if he wanted to really get a lynch mob going, but I know it's something I'll keep my eyes on if I should survive today and tonight.

OOC:: So LotGs is gone and EF is now in for him? Anyone heard from Vulkan?

Yep, EF is now LoG.

I will wait a day before looking for a replacement for Vulkan He'stan, because Im nice.

sorry i havent posted in a while internet went down

vote: mekboy he seems sespicious

Gornall wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:

Thor665 wrote:EBWOP - my above is directed at Mekboy - though I'm now curious why Stynier backed off of him so quickly.

Changing it up a little Thor, I have brought his actions of voting to the foreground and wish for some of our fellows to have a spin, I don't feel that we should do all the work for them, though if you prefer I will recast my vote for him.

VOTE:Mekboy

Now Mekboy, you say to have chosen n0t_U randomly, a likely enough scenario, but why at random? Sure at the start when there weren't votes out there random would work, but casting at random when there are several votes out there seems careless.

So when questioned about dropping your vote too quickly, you almost immediately put it back on him? This seems like you're trying too hard to avoid suspicion. Frankly, I'm a little concerned because to me it looks like you two could be working together, as you both voted for Not_U very early, almost as if you're trying to get people to jump on the bandwagon (Arheiner jumped on that vote). When that didn't work out, Stynier hedged his bets by accusing Mekboy long enough to eliminate a link between them, but removed that vote very soon. However, once questioned about it, Stynier put the vote back up to try and ward off suspicion. Do you see how this could look suspicious? I'm not saying that's the case, as truthfully, Stynier jumped off a little too early if he wanted to really get a lynch mob going, but I know it's something I'll keep my eyes on if I should survive today and tonight.

OOC:: So LotGs is gone and EF is now in for him? Anyone heard from Vulkan?

Well I didn't see anyone else putting a vote up on him, so the logical choice was to put it right back up there. I'm sure if I really wanted n0t_U to have been lynched I could have made it happen, I removed my vote for him before anyone else could jump in and get him lynched, with three of us voting for him two more would have ended up with him dead, by removing my vote I prevented someone from dying. I felt that some of you may have had enough suspicion of Mekboy that if I left the vote on him he would now be dead, and if he was a loyal man, you would all still tunr on me for voting for him in the first place. You see this game is rigged.

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:sorry i havent posted in a while internet went down

vote: mekboy he seems sespicious

Care to mention why you find me so suspicious?

Your eagerness to jump on the bandwagon seems to indicate you may have hidden motives.

And you, Brother Stynier, you've revoted for me rather quickly. A sudden change of mind, perhaps? Or maybe something much more sinister?

More importantly... answer the questions regarding your stench of cheese! What say you of the vote I have against you?

I am also curious as to why you immediately jumped on Mekboy.

I agree - the worst Mekboy has seemed to have done is a bit of vote flip-flopping and a slightly odd "random" vote. I'm not sure I see that as so much more substantial compared to Areheiner's odd stance reversal on voting or airman's odd passive aggressive tack, or even Stynier's slightly Byzantine voting lure strategies.

It's certainly an interesting time to be hopping on Mekboy while not even giving any particular reason for it.

On the flip side I'm still not happy with how much Mekboy has been changing his vote. It seems like he's trying too hard to please people and that suggests he might have a guilty conscience about his actions. I feel Imperium loyalists are usually a bit less worried about bowing to people that pressure them, but are more likely to question why they are being pressured.

Mekboy, any thoughts to this?

I haven't really been changing my vote. I've voted for n0t_u once, then unvoted. If I'm trying too hard to stay alive, then that's probably because I'm still quite new to this.

I'll concede hat my phrasing "how much" is probably not accurate. However I'll rephrase to 'how you've been' changing your vote and my thought holds true.

You vote n0t_u - okay.
Stynier explains his strange plot, which honestly could be challeged quite easily on a few levels.
Instead of challenging it you literally *ask* him if you should change your vote (presumably to make him happy and make him unvote you).
I ask you why you're shifting around from a seemingly strong standpoint (let the random vote be totally random) after a little bit of pressure from Stynier.
You promptly don't address that part of the question and unvote.

You're working very hard to try to please people who question you. That makes it seem that either you are scum trying to divert attention by pleasing others, or that you will be easy for scum to manipulate into voting the way they want.

Neither option is good

The purpose of a loyalist is not to stay alive, the purpose of a loyalist is to hunt and catch scum.

VOTE: BrotherStynier
OOC: I don't like his avatar.

Thor665 wrote:I'll concede hat my phrasing "how much" is probably not accurate. However I'll rephrase to 'how you've been' changing your vote and my thought holds true.

You vote n0t_u - okay.
Stynier explains his strange plot, which honestly could be challeged quite easily on a few levels.
Instead of challenging it you literally *ask* him if you should change your vote (presumably to make him happy and make him unvote you).
I ask you why you're shifting around from a seemingly strong standpoint (let the random vote be totally random) after a little bit of pressure from Stynier.
You promptly don't address that part of the question and unvote.

You're working very hard to try to please people who question you. That makes it seem that either you are scum trying to divert attention by pleasing others, or that you will be easy for scum to manipulate into voting the way they want.

Neither option is good

The purpose of a loyalist is not to stay alive, the purpose of a loyalist is to hunt and catch scum.

OOC:
I shall remember that for this and future games

Lord-Loss wrote:Yep, EF is now LoG.

OOC: Just got the PM.

A lowly scribe speaks up from the corner. "Out of all of you, it seems that Thor knows the most about this situation. Too much. Almost as if he's done this kind of thing before..."

Vote: Thor665

"And who are you?"

airman wrote:VOTE: BrotherStynier
OOC: I don't like his avatar.

((OOC - You've already done a random vote and unvoted. Conversation has been started by quite a few players already - including Stynier. Do you really see an advantage to still random voting at this stage, and do you really see absolutely no points that anyone has made that are worth putting out a more substantive vote on by this stage of the game? Random votes are just to start discussion in the beginning.))

Emperors Faithful wrote:A lowly scribe speaks up from the corner. "Out of all of you, it seems that Thor knows the most about this situation. Too much. Almost as if he's done this kind of thing before..."

((OOC - I'm going to presume this is a random vote as well since otherwise it is utterly senseless. I would repeat my advice to airman to you as well in this case, though since you are just hopping in it's slightly less off putting. If this is a serious vote just let me know and I'll actually respond to it.))

OOC:: I don't think we're quite out of the random voting stage as we haven't heard from everyone yet. Vulkan is still ignoring my vote on him and EF just joined the game for LotGs. That's just me though...

((OOC - I never said the random voting stage was definitely over - I simply asked airman a question about his random vote at this particular stage. I will add that hearing from everyone has no bearing on when random voting is or is not over in my opinion, though I do think we've now seen at least one post from everyone playing.

Also, you now have 666 posts - you are clearly a Chaos loving traitor.))

OOC:: Oh noez!!!

((OOC - that's weird - now you have 667. I must have read wrong. I retract my accusation.))

OOC:: 669... you are hallucinating... which is a SURE sign of chaos infestation!

EDIT: I fail at counting.

Thor665 wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:A lowly scribe speaks up from the corner. "Out of all of you, it seems that Thor knows the most about this situation. Too much. Almost as if he's done this kind of thing before..."

((OOC - I'm going to presume this is a random vote as well since otherwise it is utterly senseless. I would repeat my advice to airman to you as well in this case, though since you are just hopping in it's slightly less off putting. If this is a serious vote just let me know and I'll actually respond to it.))

My, my. Quite a touchy response there to a mere 'random vote'. I wonder...

Mekboy wrote:

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:sorry i havent posted in a while internet went down

vote: mekboy he seems sespicious

Care to mention why you find me so suspicious?

Your eagerness to jump on the bandwagon seems to indicate you may have hidden motives.

And you, Brother Stynier, you've revoted for me rather quickly. A sudden change of mind, perhaps? Or maybe something much more sinister?

I explained why I voted for you once more, it seems that no one else was willing to vote for you in order to question you, so I placed my vote back. This upset people, as did taking my vote off of you, like I have stated this game is rigged.

OOC: It seems so. How much longer do we have in this day phase?

Everyone, don't be discouraged. Given our dire situation, it's not unreasonable to be suspicious of one another. We simply must avoid a mob mentality and make reasoned decisions.

Vulkan... what say you of my vote against you?

Ye Third Voting Summary.

Thor665-(1)Emperors Faithful
N0t_u-
Gornall-
Airman-(1)Thor665
Mekboy-(2)BrotherStynier, Vulkan He'stan
Arheiner-
BrotherStynier-(1)Airman
Vulkan_He'stan-(1)Gornall
Emperors Faithful-

With 9 people alive, its 5 to Lynch.

Emperors Faithful wrote:My, my. Quite a touchy response there to a mere 'random vote'. I wonder...

Personally I don't think I was being touchy. I said as anything but a random vote it was poor and asked you if you meant it as a serious vote (to which you apparently did not)

Very useful second comment though.

We have 3 people not voting, that is not helping our situation. We need a few more people feeling some actual pressure to get some more conversation going. I also didn't care for how he hopped on the Mekboy vote without bothering to explain anything or to even so much as nod in Gornall's direction.

Unvote airman
Vote Vulkan_He'stan

Vote: Vulkan_He'stan

Not a random vote or jumping on the bandwagon (as such), I'm just trying to add more pressure on him to explain his vote on Mekboy.

UNVOTE: BrotherStynier

Ye Fourth Voting Summary.

Thor665-(1)Emperors Faithful
N0t_u-
Gornall-
Airman-
Mekboy-(2)BrotherStynier, Vulkan He'stan
Arheiner-
BrotherStynier-
Vulkan_He'stan-(3)Gornall, Thor665, Arheiner
Emperors Faithful-

With 9 people alive, its 5 to Lynch.

If anyone would like me to do the Voting Summaries more often then I will.

@Thor665: At first it was (mostly) random, but now...

Yes, that was a fairly touchy response. You swiftly decried my vote as completely random and having no bearing in a serious manner. I would like to know why.

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Thor665: At first it was (mostly) random, but now...

Yes, that was a fairly touchy response. You swiftly decried my vote as completely random and having no bearing in a serious manner. I would like to know why.

Allow me to quote some of you back to yourself.

"You swiftly decried my vote as completely random"
"At first it was (mostly) random"

You described your own vote as random - how can I be decrying it for coming to the same conclusion?

Your second point was that I had said it had "no bearing in a serious manner." This is untrue because what I actually said was that "I'm going to presume this is a random vote as well since otherwise it is utterly senseless." Since you admit the vote is random I do not think it is senseless. It is either senseless *or* random is what I said. You agree it is random - as do I.

I said it was (mostly) random. I do have a suspicion that does not arise from your resolute denial.

>_< (suspicious face)

Until you share that suspicion you will excuse me if I continue to stick by my read of your vote as either random or senseless then - why would you even challenge me on calling it that? If you don't voice a deeper suspicion you can hardly act as though you have been insulted when someone reacts to an unsupported vote as if it's an unsupported vote.

I'm not insulted, just curious as to why you are getting so worked up.

As for my suspicion, well...

You know what you are doing. You know how this works and what to do. Many of our scribes here look to you for guidance. You advise us to cast off random votes in order to provoke a response, but I wonder if you are not simply eager to get a quick lynching, hoping that others would jump on the bandwagon. It would only take another vote or two for this to happen to either Vulkan or Mekboy.

To speak honestly, I'm not sure I like you directing the investigating force without us being at all sure of your loyalties. It seems to me that you have quickly become the leader of our little inquisition without prompting. There are two ways this could be happening.

1: Best Case) You are an honest servant of the Emperor, and are merely trying your hardest to root out the murderers. You have adviseing others on what's best for the good of the Imperium, and honestly believe that your methods will work to reveal the genestealers, alothugh all they seem to be leading to are random lynchings. If this is the case, I apolgise for my suspicion, but do question your competency.

2: Worst Case) You a filthy xenos who has swiftly taken control and are manipulating us, turning us against each other most effectively. You hope that by sitting at the top directing our movement no one will question you. Although you have not advised any one as yet to vote specifically on anyone, you have encuraged random voting for all. Which may lead to the mistaken early lynching of some poor soul. And one less loyalist would suit the genestealers just fine...

All in all, you seem to be...'influencing' a few of our scribes. And I am none too sure that we should be giving your word too much wieght at the moment.

I would also like to hear why he voted for Mekboy.

Vote: Vulkan_He'stan

i hadent had a chance to read all the posts and saw
a couple of people voting for mekboy

unvote: mekboy
sorry ill have a look through the posts and decide

vote : gornall
as he seemed to join in with mekboy and start accusing me very quickly

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:i hadent had a chance to read all the posts and saw
a couple of people voting for mekboy

unvote: mekboy
sorry ill have a look through the posts and decide

So you intentionally jumped on a bandwagon to try and lynch someone? I would argue that is somewhat suspicious behavior. Also, I randomly voted for you to try and illicit a response, and it had nothing to do with Mekboy (who I don't even think is voting for you at all). Your response to this has been to ignore us only to jump in and throw a vote out for a person with multiple votes, as if you're trying to deflect attention away from yourself. This is how it looks to me, and I'm anxiously waiting on your justification of your behavior.

"I agree with gornall, it seems that you want to lynch someone as soon as possible."
OOC:directed at Vulkan.

Emperors Faithful wrote:I'm not insulted, just curious as to why you are getting so worked up.

I do not believe I am worked up - I have simply been responding to your poor logic and awkward questions. If my responses come off as harsh I submit it has more to do with me telling some truth about your methods then me getting worked up and randomly attacking you. If you disagree then please point to the errors in my responses to you. I don't believe you can.

You know what you are doing. You know how this works and what to do. Many of our scribes here look to you for guidance. You advise us to cast off random votes in order to provoke a response, but I wonder if you are not simply eager to get a quick lynching, hoping that others would jump on the bandwagon. It would only take another vote or two for this to happen to either Vulkan or Mekboy.

In addition to advocating random votes I also advocate discussion and no rush to lynch. Bringing up part of my advice to implicate me of trying to do something I have advised against suggests either you are not reading clearly or that you are hoping to implicate me of doing something I am not. Neither option is good. I have also repeatedly and often questioned votes by a variety of others - if I was trying to rush a lynch I do not understand why I would do so - can you explain how my questioning of votes works into your theory?

To speak honestly, I'm not sure I like you directing the investigating force without us being at all sure of your loyalties. It seems to me that you have quickly become the leader of our little inquisition without prompting. There are two ways this could be happening.

I offer advice - others either will follow or not follow the advice. You cannot attack me for giving advice or for others following it if the advice is good. Attack the advice and show that it is bad and then you will be getting somewhere. Until then this looks like an attempt to suggest I'm scummy for offering advice...yeah, that's really an evil behavior pattern.

1: Best Case) You are an honest servant of the Emperor, and are merely trying your hardest to root out the murderers. You have adviseing others on what's best for the good of the Imperium, and honestly believe that your methods will work to reveal the genestealers, alothugh all they seem to be leading to are random lynchings. If this is the case, I apolgise for my suspicion, but do question your competency.

Offer up a better tactic then (or even just a different one) and we can debate the merits of it versus my tactic. Until then all you're doing is being destructively reactive as opposed to proactively helpful - which is not aiding the situation.

2: Worst Case) You a filthy xenos who has swiftly taken control and are manipulating us, turning us against each other most effectively. You hope that by sitting at the top directing our movement no one will question you. Although you have not advised any one as yet to vote specifically on anyone, you have encuraged random voting for all. Which may lead to the mistaken early lynching of some poor soul. And one less loyalist would suit the genestealers just fine...

Really scummy logic here. You suggest that what I'm doing is setting myself up as a puppet master to control the votes - then you admit I haven't actually tried to control the votes and that they are "random" (for the record they are random partly for the RVS and also partly because I am encouraging people to vote for what they see as scummy - hence I'm not controlling the voting, at best (worst?) I'm trying to control the method of the voting - and by that I'm trying to force people to explain their logic when they vote and that they should vote as opposed to not vote. Explain to me how either of those directives is bad, or show me where I've made another directive other then those two and you might prove this suspicion of yours to be worth something. If you can't then I have to wonder how you think what I'm doing is bad.

All in all, you seem to be...'influencing' a few of our scribes. And I am none too sure that we should be giving your word too much wieght at the moment.

I question how I have been influencing people other then telling them to get votes out and to defend with logic. I am more then happy to have people question my methods, but only if they can either show them to be bad or show me a better method. What end goal are you hoping for here? That we don't vote? That's bad for the Imperium. That we don't use logic? Bad for Imperium. I hear you talking but I don't see an evil plan forming from my actions - can you show it to me?

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:i hadent had a chance to read all the posts and saw
a couple of people voting for mekboy

Wow. That is a scary habit to have. You just reaad through briefly, saw other people voting one way and decided to vote that way as well? How likely are we to see this behavior again?

Vulkan_He'stan wrote:i hadent had a chance to read all the posts and saw
a couple of people voting for mekboy

unvote: mekboy
sorry ill have a look through the posts and decide

So you jumped on the bandwagon?

This means that, at best, you could be easily manipulated into working with the 'stealers without you realising and at worst a 'stealer looking for an easy target.

Vote: Vulkan He'stan

OK, so that's a lynch right?

It is. We're in twilight now.

Day 1 Has Ended

Thor and Mekboy lunged at Vulkan He'stan, they both grabbed one of his arms, while Arheiner produced a wicked looking knife from the sleeve of his robe. Gornall grabbed the knife from Arheiner, and plunged it into Vulkan He'stan with all the force he could muster. Vulkan He'stan died, his cries of pain echoed off the walls.

In his Pockets you find some cheese, a book called "The Guide to spamming Thunder Hammer Terminators".

Vulkan He'stan Was An Imperial Citizen


---Night 1---



Night will last 72 hours from this post or until all relevant Night actions are PMed to me - whichever comes first. If you do not get your action in within the 72 hours then you do not get to perform your Night action.

OOC: I'm not entirely sure what a humble scribe such as I am supposed to DO at night.

EDIT: Forgot that I can't talk at night.

OOC: At night, you cannot exchange messages unless you have some sort of ability that allows you. Anyone who has an ability to target someone in the night phase PMs the leader and tells them who they're targetting. When all the PMs are in, the leader starts the next day phase after telling us who died.

(dieing) "you killed the wrong one" (lies back)
(pops head up) "hehehe sucker. by the way any one want a biscuit"

WTF!?!?!?

@airman: Since Vulkan just got lynched, he's allowed one last "Urrgh, Argh, I'm dead!" post. This is the last we'll see of him until the endgame.

You all wake at the same time, the smell of blood is in the air, you all rush into the work floor, a lone figure is impalled upon a metal pole in the middle of the room, his knee's have been ripped out, so have his eyeballs, on closer inspection you realise the killer has stuffed his eyeballs were his knees used to be!

The Impalled figure is Emperor's Faithful!

Emperor's Faithful was an Imperial Citizen!


---Day 2 Begins, with seven alive, its four votes to Lynch someone---

Im going to be very creative about how the Genestealer's kill people.

Okay. I imagine that EF was lynched as he didn't appear to really have any strong opinions. Ergo, killing him leaves us with few clues.

Mekboy wrote:Okay. I imagine that EF was lynched as he didn't appear to really have any strong opinions. Ergo, killing him leaves us with few clues.

Well..he did vote for Thor.

*gasp*
(Amazingly EF utters his last words through a shredded throat.)

"I told you so..."

*gurgle, die ect ect.*

EDIT:
BTW,

Emperor's Faithful was an Imperial Citizen!

No duh.

*pokes EF's body with stick*

Why the knees.... why the knees?!?!

Well, that's a hell of a note - he was going to be my primary suspect this day period. I guess I read the scumminess of his actions wrong.

That said - I have to ask, Mekboy, what's up with dropping the hammer on Vulkan so quickly? We should have taken a bit more time to talk about it then just lynching him ((OOC on page 4 no less, yeesh))

Imperials need time to get people to talk so they can try their best to map whose actions are most scummy. We really need to lynch scum either today or tomorrow or we're hosed.

Yeah... we cannot afford any mistakes, so everyone please consider your votes very carefully.

To be honest, yeah, that was very sudden on killing off Vulkan. He barely had any time to defend himself before getting lynched. Whether that was zeal or treachery on Mekboy's part is one of the questions I think we must answer today.

Those eye-knees are really creepy.

airman wrote:

Mekboy wrote:Okay. I imagine that EF was lynched as he didn't appear to really have any strong opinions. Ergo, killing him leaves us with few clues.

Well..he did vote for Thor.

Interesting.. What exactly are you implying?

Poor EF, I honestly didn't expect him to be the one to fall, he didn't seem threatening if anything I would have pegged him for a xenos.

airman wrote:

Mekboy wrote:Okay. I imagine that EF was lynched as he didn't appear to really have any strong opinions. Ergo, killing him leaves us with few clues.

Well..he did vote for Thor.

Then if anything that would absolve Thor of the crime, quite obviously now that you point it out, that EF's death was intended to set up Thor.

As much as I like to hear Stynier say something that I know is true (that I'm not a Genestealer) I would caution that it is very WIFOM (wine in front of me) to start trying to predict the Genestealer's night kills;

After all, I might have killed him because he was after me and I am a Genestealer.
But, the Genestealers might realize it would cast doubt on me and thus kill him to implicate me.
However, however, I might know this, so as a Genestealer I kill EF in order to make you think that some Genestealers would do it to implicate me.
However, the Genestealers would know that you would know that I could...

Therefore you would have learned man was mortal and put the wine with the poison as far away from you as possible (sorry, obligatory movie reference)

In any case - though I will state I am not a Genestealer, I encourage you all to be very careful about trying to predict what the Genestealers are thinking by who they night kill. I think it's better to look for irregularities in voting and behavior as that is usually a bit more black and white.

My question to Mekboy still stands.

Yes... killing EF could quite logically be a setup meant to take advantage of EF's accusations of Thor. However, it's not hard to imagine a traitor killing off their accuser during the night and claiming "I'm being set up!" At this stage, I think it's just something to keep in mind and we should let future evidence help us determine whether EF's death was a setup or actual elimination of a rival.

Remember, we're probably not going to find a "smoking Xenos claw". We need to look at each piece of evidence in the overall context of what has happened. That way we avoid any traps the xenos set for us.

Having said that, I'm interested to hear Mekboy's reasoning on why he placed the final vote for the lynch of Vulkan. I think we made a grave mistake by not giving him a proper chance to defend himself, and it cost EF his life.

EDIT:: OOC:: Partially Ninjaed by Thor

Thor665 wrote:As much as I like to hear Stynier say something that I know is true (that I'm not a Genestealer) I would caution that it is very WIFOM (wine in front of me) to start trying to predict the Genestealer's night kills;

After all, I might have killed him because he was after me and I am a Genestealer.
But, the Genestealers might realize it would cast doubt on me and thus kill him to implicate me.
However, however, I might know this, so as a Genestealer I kill EF in order to make you think that some Genestealers would do it to implicate me.
However, the Genestealers would know that you would know that I could...

Therefore you would have learned man was mortal and put the wine with the poison as far away from you as possible (sorry, obligatory movie reference)

In any case - though I will state I am not a Genestealer, I encourage you all to be very careful about trying to predict what the Genestealers are thinking by who they night kill. I think it's better to look for irregularities in voting and behavior as that is usually a bit more black and white.

My question to Mekboy still stands.

After voting for Vulkan I counted up the votes,then realised I'd killed him. Since I couldn't unvote since it was a lynch, I left it. I probably should count the votes up before casting my votes in future.

That seems a little hard to believe for me.

Maybe I shouldn't have added the pressure vote in the middle after all. Things are looking bleak for us, at least we've still got a special role character.

Arheiner wrote:Maybe I shouldn't have added the pressure vote in the middle after all. Things are looking bleak for us, at least we've still got a special role character.

No, it isn't your fault. It's mine. I should have paid more attention.

Vote: Mekboy

I still don't know how I feel about his explanation. This vote is far from final, however.

@Gornall
Isn't that a little to quick to draw your conclusions?

Well not really. What I did does seem pretty suspicious, as usually the first day's worth of talking goes on at least 8 pages, and disrupting that would be valuable for the genestealers.

Certainly an interesting bit of activity today.

@Mekboy - hoisting yourself on your own petard is all well and good - but if you are a pro-Imperium role you shouldn't be trying to sell yourself down the river. If you're innocent there should be some logical fallacies to the concept that you dropped the hammer early to end the day that you ought to be able to point to as a defense.

@Gornall - interesting bit of disclaimer language on that Mekboy vote. Could you explain what you mean by it? I don't think anyone expects every vote cast to be set in stone.

Just saying that as of right now, I view him as the most suspicious. However, if he puts up a more solid defense than "I miscounted", then that would quickly change. By making my view/vote public, I hope to encourage some more discussion.

The voting process is more important than the actual results. As people talk, votes are going to bounce back and forth, and it's those changes in votes that give us clues. Everyone talking to a consensus and all saying at once "Lynch Mekboy" without any votes in between is not nearly as useful as seeing votes change as the discussion matures.

I do agree with you (in fact I think you stole my speech, copyright infringer!). That said - I find it sort of interesting to hear you talking this way considering how sort of introverted you felt to me on Day 1. Is there a reason you weren't trying to push for more conversation then?

Vote: Gornall


((OOC - And by the way, everybody - please check vote counts and re-check. Let's not have any "oops, did I just hammer? moments today.))

OOC:: Day 1 was fairly busy for me IRL.

IC:: On Day 1 there wasn't a whole lot to talk about yet. I made some observations about Mekboy's and Stynier's votes, hoping that might get some discussion going, but nothing much came of it. I also did a random vote on Vulkan, but it turned out that no amount of prodding on my part could get him to open up before people started piling on him. TBH, just about the time we started to have some good conversation, our votes reached critical mass and we know what happened next.

I don't think my behavior today is different than yesterday... it's just now we have more to talk about.

OOC:: Be very careful about ninja votes too. Before you hit submit, make sure you open up another window to make sure no one has posted while you were crafting your reply.

I believe that Thor is trying to get everybody's gaze off him and on Gornall.
Therefor I VOTE:Thor665

If I was trying to get the day to end quickly, I would have voted earlier. There is a gap of several post and 5 hours between n0t_u voting for Vulkan and me voting for Vulkan. In that time people could quite easily have changed votes from Vulkan, and my alleged attempt to stop that day's conversation would have been foiled. I voted on the 12th, which was a Saterday. I usually spend quite a while on my laptop on Saterdays (no school).

Ye Fourth Voting Summary.

Thor665-Airman
N0t_u-
Gornall-Thor665
Airman-
Mekboy-Gornall
Arheiner-
BrotherStynier-


With 7 people alive, its 4 to Lynch.

airman wrote:I believe that Thor is trying to get everybody's gaze off him and on Gornall.

How do you believe everyone's gaze was focused on me, airman? So far there had been one vote for Mekboy and a very brief discussion of me that actually Stynier dismissed and I then encouraged that it shouldn't be totally dismissed.

I can't be guilty of acting suspicious by shifting suspicion if the suspicion never existed in the first place and by the time I voted for Gornall conversation had already shifted away from me and onto Mekboy.

Could you explain exactly what suspicion I was trying to shift off of me and when?

I'm finding these last couple of votes "interesting" to say the least. While I think Thor's reasoning of why he voted for me ("You were quieter yesterday") far from convincing (I would argue that it's downright flimsy), I also don't know if I would characterize it as trying to shift suspicion away from himself. I'm more likely to look at it as trying to give an alternative to Mekboy, if anything.

I would like to see more input from everyone else. We have way too many sitting in the shadows, letting a small group debate back and forth. Everyone needs to be involved.

Hmm, I find Mekboy's defense a little flimsy, and at the same time I even find Gornall's demand for others to join in the debate to be suspicious as well. Perhaps you simply wish to have more people involved so a slip up by you would be less likely noticed?

Maybe - but certainly conversation is helpful to us as otherwise we're just waiting for the Genestealers to kill again (deadline) and being able to make choices based on some evidence (talking) is better then making choices based on no evidence at all.

I agree with that, and i'd also like to ask to hear Gornalls story, he's been interrogating everyone but we haven't heard anything about him yet.

BrotherStynier wrote:Hmm, I find Mekboy's defense a little flimsy, and at the same time I even find Gornall's demand for others to join in the debate to be suspicious as well. Perhaps you simply wish to have more people involved so a slip up by you would be less likely noticed?

I'm suspicious because I want everyone to participate? I'm not sure if I follow your logic there. Having people sit back and say nothing only helps the traitors IMO.

I agree with that, and i'd also like to ask to hear Gornalls story, he's been interrogating everyone but we haven't heard anything about him yet.

OOC:: After the first game of Genestealer, I really don't do the whole backstory/roleplaying thing anymore. People got too hung up on that and didn't follow the logical stuff. However, I'm more than willing to answer any questions regarding my ingame actions.

IC:: I've simply been asking questions that I think are valid and important to our continued survival. I don't want the traitors to triumph simply because we were too afraid or too polite to ask the difficult questions.

UNVOTE: Thor665

Do I take it by your unvote, airman, that you agree with my assessment of your logic that I wasn't trying to shift anything (presuming there even was anything)?

I liked that you expressed your reasons for your vote - as that let's me and others see your logic and address it. An unvote can be done the same way, by letting others know if your thoughts had changed or not.

Still would like to hear from n0t_u as it's been a couple days and even on his side of the world I suppose it has to have been daytime at some point in there.


@Gornall - dropping the last vote is certainly suspicious - however I'm not sure it classifies as too solid of a lead on Mekboy. What about his actions yesterday and today do you find as most suspicious beyond simply dropping the hammer on Vulkan?

Dropping the hammer on Vulkan is only part of it. I'm coupling that with his initial vote which was on someone who already had a vote against him. Alone, each of those events are fairly minor, but together it seems like eagerness to see people lynched. That and him and Brother Stynier's little back and forth was a "interesting" for lack of a better term.

It's far from concrete, but it's what I've got to go on at the moment. Almost lack of better options if you will. Hopefully, more evidence will turn up today to help give a better feel for who the traitors are.

OOC: Yeah I was just taking a break from the game as I wasn't really in the mood for a game like this. It's been really hot >_>
In fact its gone from really hot to what I suspect England is like for about a week. One day it's really hot and sunny, the next cold and raining or just overcast >_>

Anyway Thor was suspicious at first and might still be, but Mekboy seems to be more so at the moment. I agree that him dropping the hammer on Vulkan seemed rather hasty as if he want us to hurry up and vote, which would only lead to a mistake. It's obvious that he might have known that Vulkan wasn't actually a Genestealler and that might have been the reason for his vote. He has said that it was a mistake and he simply hadn't kept track of the vote, that might be true. But, explaining that it was just a mistake could simply be his way of dealing with the suspicion created by his vote. Still at the moment it seems like the best bet. I'll think about it a little bit more and look over the few pages before casting my vote, rather than quickly throw it out there as that will get us nowhere. Hopefully we lynch the right person this time.

Thor665 wrote:Maybe - but certainly conversation is helpful to us as otherwise we're just waiting for the Genestealers to kill again (deadline) and being able to make choices based on some evidence (talking) is better then making choices based on no evidence at all.

While that is true he is still more than vocal about it. Though I could see how it is helpful.

Gornall wrote:

BrotherStynier wrote:Hmm, I find Mekboy's defense a little flimsy, and at the same time I even find Gornall's demand for others to join in the debate to be suspicious as well. Perhaps you simply wish to have more people involved so a slip up by you would be less likely noticed?

I'm suspicious because I want everyone to participate? I'm not sure if I follow your logic there. Having people sit back and say nothing only helps the traitors IMO.

Only in that you are being most vocal about everyone speaking.

I still don't see what you're getting at. Because I'm being the most vocal for a plan of action that most would agree benefits us, I'm suspicious? I could see that argument if I was acting differently than what I was preaching (aka hiding in the shadows while I exhort people to talk more), but I've been transparent in my thought process and my voting, trying to add constructive dialog to this conversation.

OOC:: I've been really vocal about it because the game is boring without more people interacting. It's kinda sad to only see one or two posters talking each day... and it's only going to get worse as the holidays roll up.

I agree Gornall's less then helpful commentary Day 1 was iffy when he kept dropping votes on people to "get them to talk" - in fact that is the basis to some degree of my vote on him right now.

That said I agree with the base principal - which is people should talk (and vote and explain logic while we're at it). Is there any particular aspect of Gornall's talking stance that has you uneasy?

Dropping votes on people to get them to talk? I don't see where that is coming from. I placed a random vote on Vulkan (OOC:: RVS and all that) and kept it there because he never addressed it. If anyone was "dropping votes on people to get them to talk", it was you and Arnheiner:

Thor665 wrote: We have 3 people not voting, that is not helping our situation. We need a few more people feeling some actual pressure to get some more conversation going. I also didn't care for how he hopped on the Mekboy vote without bothering to explain anything or to even so much as nod in Gornall's direction.

Unvote airman
Vote Vulkan_He'stan

Followed by:

Arheiner wrote:Vote: Vulkan_He'stan

Not a random vote or jumping on the bandwagon (as such), I'm just trying to add more pressure on him to explain his vote on Mekboy.

I'm not saying that those actions are suspicious, because frankly he did need to talk and at least address the vote against him. But if you're going to accuse me of being suspicious because I did something, at least make sure I'm the one who did it.

As for less than helpful commentary, what exactly are you refering to? I think any truthful commentary is better than none. It lets people see multiple angles and make their own decision rather than follow blindly behind whoever happens to be the loudest at that time.

Gornall wrote:Dropping votes on people to get them to talk? I don't see where that is coming from. I placed a random vote on Vulkan (OOC:: RVS and all that) and kept it there because he never addressed it. If anyone was "dropping votes on people to get them to talk", it was you and Arnheiner:

First off - please don't try to pretend you were not doing anything.

Gornall wrote:In all seriousness, he has not responded to my vote against him, and until he does it will stay there. My plan is to continue voting for people to force them to talk before moving on to the next suspect.

Second off - it is this stated intent of action paired with what I perceived (as previously mentioned by me when I voted for you) your less then stellar contribution to the conversation. I would have been more content with your votes to get people to talk if you were talking more.

What I'm saying, is how are my actions any different, let alone worse than anyone else's--including yourself? Everyone on day one was tossing random votes, bouncing from person to person as each person responded. I was unlucky enough that the first person I cast a vote for never responded to it. Why would I remove it when he hadn't answered it? You said so yourself in the quote I mentioned above that he hadn't so much as given me the time of day. Once again, I think I have offered as much to the conversation as anyone else, commenting on things I thought were suspicious on both days. I will admit that I did not participate much in the "backstory" squabble of Not_U/Stynier/Mekboy or your argument with EF, as I didn't see any point in it. If you disagree, I would like to hear why so I can maybe answer you better.

OOC:: It's good to see some life in this thread. I was afraid it was going to go the way of Dark_O's.

You earlier agreed with me that your participation on Day 1 had not been up to your usual standards - I'm surprised you need me to point out specifics, but shall do so.

Gornall wrote:What I'm saying, is how are my actions any different, let alone worse than anyone else's--including yourself? Everyone on day one was tossing random votes, bouncing from person to person as each person responded.

I am not voting you for bouncing from person to person (you didn't) or for making a random vote (I did so as well and encouraged the action). Therefore this is irrelevant.

I was unlucky enough that the first person I cast a vote for never responded to it. Why would I remove it when he hadn't answered it? You said so yourself in the quote I mentioned above that he hadn't so much as given me the time of day.

I was voting for him as well come the lynch. I also never said I was voting you for not removing your vote from Vulkan - so again this is irrelevant.

Once again, I think I have offered as much to the conversation as anyone else, commenting on things I thought were suspicious on both days. I will admit that I did not participate much in the "backstory" squabble of Not_U/Stynier/Mekboy or your argument with EF, as I didn't see any point in it. If you disagree, I would like to hear why so I can maybe answer you better.

Ah, this I actually accused you of!

You will find elow my runthrough of your Day 1 comments. What I am noting here is that despite your high activity level (and high demands for others to speak) generally speaking what you have to say is not working towards the goal of finding scum and also is not to the level of activity and scum hunting I have come to expect of you. Posting more while not posting usefully is really not any different from lack of posting. I am willing to accept there are perhaps others who have done less scumhunting then you, but none of them have worked so hard to appear active and demand more talking while doing as little as you, and that's why I'm currently putting a vote on you.

Post 1 - swearing to the Emperor
2 - LOL post
3 - ask what we should do
4 - note that everyone else is too quiet (that was quick)
5 - Random vote Vulkan in response to my suggestion of random votes
6 - explanation of joke
7 - commentary about how Arheiner should talk more
8 - request for more random votes (a reasonable post as it advanced town's goals)
9 - question about the n0t_u story confusion thing
10 - dismissal of the story thing
11 - claim lotg is too quiet
12 - suspect Arheiner, state reasons for voting Vulkan (first truly helpful post)
13 - joking with me
14 - State that logic will help us find Genestealers (I got suspicious at this point, you were posting often, but not really posting usefully. It seemed unlike you)
15 - discussion of potential Stynier/Mekboy link with doubt cast at Arheiner (a good post, first sign of true scum hunting in my opinion)
16 - Excited that Vulkan posted, demand of him to answer your vote on him
17,18,19 discussion of RVS and joking with me
20 - basically post 16 again
21 - scum hunting Vulkan (good post)

End of Day

Ye Fifth Voting Summary.

Thor665-
N0t_u-
Gornall-(1)Thor665
Airman-
Mekboy-(1)Gornall
Arheiner-
BrotherStynier-


With 7 people alive, its 4 to Lynch.

Not much has changed.

Now that sounds reasonable and now I have a better understanding of why you're finding me suspicious.

My only defense is that frankly, there wasn't a lot to work with on Day 1. First posts were getting settled back into a new game. We then had the story confusion, which is basically worthless for determining guilt(OOC:: look at past games for examples). Then Airman voted for Arnheiner... no biggie. Hadn't seen LotG yet (who is ALWAYS talkative, and turned out to not be invovled at all this game), so I mentioned that. We watch some more arguing over backstories. I then give what you say is a useful post. My next post is pretty worthless, I'll admit. What I was trying to get at was now that the backstory nonsense was over, we could get down to business. My next post attempted to show some of the things I had picked up from the back and forth exchange between several people. I ignore you and EF going at it, as I don't see much there to work with yet.... simply two people suspicious of each other with little to go on. Then Vulkan finally shows up (for 2 posts) so I'm stoked that I finally get to talk to him and see what he does. However, he doesn't talk much and what he does say is fairly incriminating, so I have no reason to pull my vote. Day ends fairly suddenly.

Day 2 starts. Airman voices concern you might be the suspect because EF dies. I give obligitory "oh noez" post and wait to see how people respond to his accusation. Stynier jumps in says that EF getting killed is obviously a frame-up. Me and you both basically say the same thing at the same time about how appearances can be decieving and not to put too much stock in night kills. We also both question Mekboy on why he dropped the hammer. Mekboy says he miscounted and I reply I find that hard to believe (which I do, given a vote count had just been given on that same page), hoping he'll expand on it. Arnheiner and Mekboy both voice regret, and because I find Mekboy's defense lacking, I throw a vote on him, basically telling him to expand on his defense. I get accused of voting quickly, to which I respond I'd rather have votes out in the open where we have a solid record of them. You vote for me, Airman then thinks you're trying to shift suspicion off of yourself. I state I don't think that was what you were trying to do given the state of the conversation... at worst you might have been trying to get heat off of Mekboy (which you've done, I might add). Then we get into this conversation.

All I'm saying is that I HAVE done some "scum-hunting" and tried to post valid posts. They might not be the most concrete things, but given how early things are, I don't know how much more I could have input.

Gornall wrote:I get accused of voting quickly...

I didn't accuse you, I just stated that it was very suspicious that you voted so quickly.

Gornall wrote:many things and... at worst you might have been trying to get heat off of Mekboy (which you've done, I might add). Then we get into this conversation.

I agree with pretty much everything you've said except the above. The only reason focus "shifted" off Mekboy was simply that you kept seeking further understanding as to my vote for you, and I kept offering it. Initially I was content to leave it at my vote and the reasons stated without excess expounding. Lack of pressure on Mekboy is more a result of him not saying anything else yet and nobody else choosing to continue the pressure you originally applied - and has very little, I submit, to do with my vote on you. I am quite content with some pressure on Mekboy, though I am also quite content with some pressure on you.

@ Everyone else - The game and the hunting of scum would greatly benefit from people expressing a few more opinions and putting out some votes. We do not want to lynch anyone quickly, like in Day 1, but pressure from votes helps us see patterns as well as make people try to defend themselves or demonize others. So be mindful about putting the last one or two votes on someone, but don't be afraid to vote if you think someone has done something suspicious.

OCC: Well not much has changed since yesterday its more or less gone in a circle. I'd vote to put pressure on someone, but that's the thing, I'm not sure about who to put the pressure on.

The suspicious ones to me are Airman and Mekboy. You are still a bit suspicious, Thor, but you might not be a Genestealler. Still I'm not quite sure who to vote for out of the two

n0t_u wrote:The suspicious ones to me are Airman and Mekboy.

How am I suspicious?

A good question, airman.

n0t_u - you are already in a good place because to your mind there are 2-3 people who are more suspicious then everyone else. I would advocate either expressing why you find airman/Mekboy more suspicious to see how people react to your reasoning. Or, if you find them equally suspicious, just flip a coin to choose. It is the job of every loyal Imperial here to try to make enough action and choices to help expose the Genestealers - you can't sit back and hope more active people will do it alone because they cannot without everyone reacting.

I will admit that my day one voting could have come across as suspicious with my staying with the vote and explanation of it for n0t_u and then immediately jumping off of the one on Mekboy, I wished to keep it different to attempt to throw people and the creatures off. I will admit that most likely failed.

Now though after watching there are two people I trust more than others, at this time those people are Thor, and despite my challenging him as a heretic Gornall.

OOC:@lord loss
Please PM Arheiner

Totally forgot about Arheiner, I will at that now.

edit: Its been two days, Im not going to hand out warnings, as it wont help.

OK, I'm here. I've just been really tired lately and trying not to use the PC too much.

((OOC too much computer can be bad if you're in a tired place, I certainly understand. That said...))

Now that you're here have you any response to Gornall's response to your question of him? Or perhaps a response to my general call for people to express opinions, votes, suspicions, et al? Simply stating "I'm here" is not really any more helpful then not saying anything.

I know, I just read it and couldn't think of anything to say at the time. I still want to keep my eye on Gornall, for all I know he could be pulling a bluff as a heretic and always asking imperialists but that's unlikely. Like Stynier said, I trust you and Gornall the most, followed by Not_U but I'm not sure who I trust the least.

OOC:: Just a heads up, I'm going to be spotty over the next couple of days as I'm traveling to visit family, but I should be able to read/post some.

Just as a general head's up - it is best for loyalists to stick to saying who they find most suspicious rather then who they find less suspicious. Saying who you think is less/isn't suspicious is helpful to the Genestealers, as then they know good people to target at night because those people will be harder to lynch during the day. (this dynamic changes as we get less and less players surviving, but for the moment it is important)

I'd still like to see some more votes cast, we need to generate more conversation.

@Mekboy - you've been very quiet since you somewhat finished defending yourself. I have a question for you; Currently who do you feel is most suspicious and why? (you can list 2-3 if you have to)

Right now I'm still most suspicious of Mekboy because I don't think he has adequately explained his actions over the last two days. Because of this, I'm also slightly suspicious of Thor, as he really didn't start questioning me until I started talking about Mekboy, so it kind of looks like he might have been trying to cover Mekboy. However, my discussion with Thor seemed to show that he was being pretty logical about what made him suspicious of me, so it's really only the timing that I'm still unsure about.

Arnheiner also tried to defend Mekboy, partially taking the blame for Vulkan's lynch, which could also be construed as trying to keep Mekboy from being lynched. Once again, it's flimsy, but something I'm thinking about.

If I assume that Mekboy just was unfortunate in his vote counting, then things are a little more murky. Stynier and Not_U have been hard for me to read, and while Airman has been quick to point out his suspicions on people, I can't really classify it as malicious, as at least he's throwing out some ideas.

How do you expect me to explain my miscounting further? I have shown it was a mistake, and you still want me to explain. It might appear to some that you are trying to hide something.

Mekboy - I'd still like you to answer my question in my previous post. If you don't wish to answer it then just acknowledge you have read it and are choosing not to answer.

At the moment, I'd say I find brother_stynier one of the more suspicious members of this group. He seemed to be jumping around a lot during the first day. However, due to the general lack of conversation, I can't really tell if most people are suspicious or not.

Alot? I moved from n0t_u to yourself, that's hardly alot. I still find your excuse for 'dropping' the hammer rather convenient.

I find Mekboy's excuse to not be totally unreasonable ((OOC - though as Gornall pointed out - the vote count was right there on the same page)) though it is worrisome that he voted along with someone who'd clearly had a lot of attention on them without first verifying the number of votes on said person.

I'm mildly suspicious of a Mekboy/Arheiner pairing in all honesty. Day 1 Stynier brought the flimsy story vote on n0t_u. Mekboy quickly hopped onto that vote (claiming it as his totally random vote via die roll) and Arheiner followed shortly thereafter (even citing his reason for voting to be because n0t_u was voting for him, which is not an inherently good reason to vote for someone). Then later they both hopped on to seal Vulkan's fate. Also, Gornall pointed out something that had slightly slipped by me - which was Arheiner throwing himself on his own sword and claiming he was perhaps equally at fault as Mekboy, for putting a vote on Vulkan. But Arheiner was the third of five votes - so when he put his vote on it was quite reasonable and safe. If anything n0t_u is perhaps in a more suspicious slot then Arheiner...so why the Mekboy defense?

I'm also suspicious of Gornall and Stynier, though neither of them seem likely to be paired with Mekboy. I could probably see them paired with each other or either with Arheiner (I'm not a big fan of Arheiner's copying of Stynier's 'who to trust list'). But to my mind somewhere within those four is probably the Genestealer pair.

I'd like to hear more from Arheiner in any case, since he votes a lot and speaks quite guardedly. Though I'm still not overly pleased with Gornall's talking points on Day 1, he has proven more functional thus far in Day 2 - so if he is scum he'll be a little easier to suss out later.

So, with all that said;
Unvote: Gornall
Vote: Arheiner

Thor665 wrote:A good question, airman.

n0t_u - you are already in a good place because to your mind there are 2-3 people who are more suspicious then everyone else. I would advocate either expressing why you find airman/Mekboy more suspicious to see how people react to your reasoning. Or, if you find them equally suspicious, just flip a coin to choose. It is the job of every loyal Imperial here to try to make enough action and choices to help expose the Genestealers - you can't sit back and hope more active people will do it alone because they cannot without everyone reacting.

Mekboy was originally suspicious because of how he seemed to almost jump at the chance to get Vulkan killed. However it seems more likely that that was simply a mistake, as they do happen after all

Airman was actually a mistake, I got his name mixed up with Arheiner (Sorry Airman). Anyway it was because he claimed to simply want to sit back and hide in the shadows until the best time to vote would show up. Instead he voted shortly after just because I voted for him (for claiming to want to sit back and not vote (not voting = genesteallers have 0% chance of dieing if there is no lynch = free traitor kill = possibly helping the traitors?)) instead of simply defending himself like everyone else did. But, not to look like I'm going to bandwagon my vote, I think I'll set my vote on him for now. As I've basically stated reasons why I wasn't voting for the other. Mekboy is still suspicious to me, but at the same time I think it might simply just be a honest mistake.

Vote:Arheiner

n0t_u wrote:Airman was actually a mistake, I got his name mixed up with Arheiner (Sorry Airman).

Apology accepted.

@airman - your last half a dozen comments have all been very short and have not particularly advanced any scumhunting activity.

COuld you please express who you feel is most suspicious currently and why?

If you don't want to do that perhaps you could consider the Arheiner and Mekboy bandwagons and give us your thoughts on the two of them as potentially being scum.

If you don't want to do that then you could at least maybe ask a question of someone about something they did that appeared at least a little suspicious in some way to yourself.

@Thor665
Here's my list of people I don't trust.
1. BrotherStynier
2. Arheiner
3. Gornall
4. n0t_u
5. Thor665
6. Mekboy
I don't trust you guys.

First off I will note a total list is not what I asked for. Second, if that list is in actual order then I would have preferred that you not post it (re: my earlier position about not saying who you find least guilty). If that list is not in order and is instead simply a joke response to me by pointing out how you don't trust anyone then it is of absolutely no help to us in any way shape or form.

Are you trying to be obtuse, or am I misunderstanding what you're saying with that reply?

I'm saying that I don't trust any of you.

As well you shouldn't - but that goes pretty much without saying.

Now, could you answer one of my three question options above? If not, why not?

@Thor665
To answer your questions
1. the list I posted above is not in order
2. it is NOT a joke response.
Ok now that I got that out of the way here are the two people I don't trust the most.
BrotherStynier: Jumping around on day one
Arheiner: Trusts BrotherStynier, and the copying of his "trust list"

Right, now you're back on me and I have to admit, though incorrect that you think I'm a genestealer with Mekboy. I've not much experience in this sort of game and I admit, I've probably been playing it wrong. Your 4 man possible cell list is interesting but I'd like to know, do you trust Airman and Not_U in that case, I'm not labelling them as suspicous but I'd like to see what you mean.

OK, I admit I haven't done anything to disprove your theory, but it's 8:20 in the morning and a simple way of doing it is this, it may make you more suspicous and question me being with Gornall or Stynier but right now, it'll be difficult to afford another couple of Imperial casualties, so I have to stop you voting off another Imperialist by accident (Or deliberately, I trust some of you more but that's just more, not very much)

Vote: Mekboy

And this doesn't mean I'll remove it when the Heat is off me just to jump the gun, I'll take any more questions later.

Arheiner wrote:Right, now you're back on me and I have to admit, though incorrect that you think I'm a genestealer with Mekboy.

You didn't say, but judging from the rest of your post I presume this is directed at me. To clarify I think you are fairly likely a Genestealer and are paired with Mekboy, Stynier, or Gornall - Mekboy is not the only possibility I discussed, though he might be the most likely. I wish I had more of a Day 1 to study the interactions between you all as then I might have been able to make a more narrow accusation, but c'est la vie, as they say.

I've not much experience in this sort of game and I admit, I've probably been playing it wrong.

((OOC - You can't really play it "wrong" though in my opinion you can play it in ways that are more or less likely to have your team win on average.))

Your 4 man possible cell list is interesting but I'd like to know, do you trust Airman and Not_U in that case, I'm not labelling them as suspicous but I'd like to see what you mean.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. I have previously (and now repeatedly) noted that I do not think that it is a good idea to say whether or not you believe someone to be loyalist or not. I will say that I believe that you are more likely to be a Genestealer then either airman or n0t_u as far as I can tell at this particular moment and for reasons I stated when I voted for you. If you want more clarification ask me again and I'll try to shed some further light - but as I said I wasn't really sure what your question was asking.

OK, I admit I haven't done anything to disprove your theory, but it's 8:20 in the morning and a simple way of doing it is this,

And by "this" you mean voting for Mekboy? That really doesn't prove or disprove anything. You might be a loyalist trying to vote for someone you feel is a Genestealer (or who at least isn't you), or you might be a Genestealer voting for an innocent who you'd rather get lynched. Or you might be a Genestealer voting for your partner in the hopes to get people to believe you two are not partners. I'd rather you vote for Mekboy because you feel he's a Genestealer and explain to us why that is, then to simply vote for him to "prove" something that it cannot. I'd also rather see you answer some of the accusations I made towards you, as that might help explain your thought process in a way that will allow me to see it as less likely the actions of a Genestealer. I'm actually a little worried that you didn't attack my specific allegations and instead just hopped onto the bandwagon that wasn't yours.

@Areheiner - Could you please explain why you think Mekboy is a Genestealer? Also, could you explain your first post on page 5, and why you think Mekboy responded to it the way he did?

@airman - how do you classify Stynier's voting as 'hopping around'? He voted for two people, I do believe (which is the same as me and probably at least half of us here) what made it feel more...uh...hoppy? (I'm sure there's a better way to phrase that)

Thor665 wrote:@airman - how do you classify Stynier's voting as 'hopping around'? He voted for two people, I do believe (which is the same as me and probably at least half of us here) what made it feel more...uh...hoppy? (I'm sure there's a better way to phrase that)

I didn't say hopping around, I said "jumping around." To answer your question, I classified Stynier's as "jumping around," because he unvoted not_u and then
voted mekboy without any reason in my opinion.

My "with out any reason" vote for Mekboy was in the beginning of the game when the goal was to vote for people to put on pressure. Not my fault I had to make up for some people slacking off in the accusation department.

There's one thing you seemed to have missed Thor, I never defended Mekboy, I was just the one with the least justified vote on Vulkan_He'stan which was done just to pressure him into giving an answer. The way I see it and probably a few of you, we need to hit a traitor tonight and tomorrow. As we know, Mekboy responded to it like that either because he was faking it and is a traitor, or is innocent and made an honest mistake.

My vote for him-the average person is able to count to 5 aren't they? What he did seems logically unlikely.

OOC:: Just finished my drive to visit family. Just checking in really quick.

A lot has happened since I last checked in. Airman, I'm a little confused on your response to Thor's questions, as he seems to have to drag responses out of you. I understand you not wanting to trust anyone (which is probably the best policy), but the more we talk with each other, the better off we are.

Arnheiner, I find your actions pretty suspicious. People start putting pressure on you and you immediately jump on the wagon for Mekboy. You say this is to prove that you're not in cohoots with him, but as Thor said, it could be a ruse to throw off suspicion of you two being together. This could be to try and save him, and if that fails, make you less likely to be fingered when he is lynched. That or you could be taking advantage of suspicion on him and trying to get him lynched if he is innocent. While I do agree with what you stated your reasoning for voting for Mekboy was, the timing was very suspect.

You mean 8:20 in the morning when I wasn't thinking at my best?

Arheiner wrote:There's one thing you seemed to have missed Thor, I never defended Mekboy, I was just the one with the least justified vote on Vulkan_He'stan which was done just to pressure him into giving an answer. The way I see it and probably a few of you, we need to hit a traitor tonight and tomorrow. As we know, Mekboy responded to it like that either because he was faking it and is a traitor, or is innocent and made an honest mistake.

I'll first note - we need to hit a Genestealer today or tomorrow, not 'and' (not that I would mind that if we swung it). I'm also interested why you brought that up in your answer to my question.

But getting back to my question - I (and I believe Gornall also) have both phrased it as defensive of Mekboy, and though not overtly so it did serve as such to try and lessen the supposed impact he had as the hammer voter.

I'm also quite interested in the psychology of why you felt a need to post up an apology of sorts for your vote. I, as a loyalist, felt annoyed that I had helped lynch a loyalist, but I didn't feel guilty because Vulkan had certainly done his fair share to convince us to lynch him. At the very least there were three loyalists voting to lynch Vulkan and the only one of them who should perhaps have felt guilty would be Mekboy (presuming he's a loyalist). Nobody else felt any particular urge to apologize or act ashamed of their vote except for you. I then have to ask myself, why would a townie who wasn't the one who started the bandwagon and wasn't the one who put down the hammer and wasn't even the one who put Vulkan one vote away from lynch feel a need to apologize for it? Loyalists tend to be a little less worried about guilt because they know in their own head they are innocent. Genestealers however, who lurk amongst us living a lie, tend to get very self-conscious of their actions because they always think they are looking a little guilty.

@ Lord-Loss - when next you do a vote count could we also please get an official head's up as to when deadline is?

Ye Sixth Voting Summary.

Thor665-
N0t_u-
Gornal-
Airman-
Mekboy-(2)Gornall, Arheiner
Arheiner-(2)Thor665, Not_u
BrotherStynier-


With 7 people alive, its 4 to Lynch.

6 days into Day 2 deadline.

((OOC - with deadline hitting Monday of next week and Christ's Mass looming before us I will once again rattle my sabre about a need for people to start voting.

Brother Stynier, Mekboy, airman - you can all still vote and I suggest you do, though just at this very moment I would suggest not totally dropping the hammer on anyone. Getting someone to L-1 (1 vote from lynch) could be quite helpful in getting pressure on them. Also, if any of you three are more suspicious of someone who doesn't have any votes on them then NOW is the time to get a vote on them and proclaim why you think they are guilty because you are fast running out of time to change anyone's mind.


@Lord Loss - I would like to petition for a two day extension to the game, since I suspect the 24-25th will not be days with a lot of functional posting in them.))

Well at the moment I find Mekboy to be most suspicious so I will place my vote on him, if only to add pressure from day one and move closer to L-1.

VOTE: Mekboy

To clarify - Stynier's vote puts Mekboy at L-1 and any more Mekboy votes will be the lynch vote.

Confused about that Stynier?

Yeah sorry, just got a little mixed up.

Thor665 wrote:Brother Stynier, Mekboy, airman - you can all still vote and I suggest you do, though just at this very moment I would suggest not totally dropping the hammer on anyone. Getting someone to L-1 (1 vote from lynch) could be quite helpful in getting pressure on them. Also, if any of you three are more suspicious of someone who doesn't have any votes on them then NOW is the time to get a vote on them and proclaim why you think they are guilty because you are fast running out of time to change anyone's mind.

Ok I'll put some pressure on Arheiner.
VOTE: Arheiner

@airman - Are you just voting to put pressure on him, or are you voting for him because you believe he is the most likely Genestealer? If you believe he's the most likely Genestealer - why do you believe this?

Also, to make sure everyone is aware - another vote for either Mekboy or Arhenier will be the lynch vote for that person.

@Mekboy & Arheiner - now that you both sit at L-1 it might be a good time for each of you to express reasons we shouldn't vote for you or point out strong arguments to suggest we should be voting for someone else. If you are loyalists it is most helpful to the other loyalists and yourself if you can offer up all evidence you can and try to showcase all suspicions you have before you get lynched - and also town really doesn't want to get lynched because a town lynch does not help us.

Thor665 wrote:@airman - Are you just voting to put pressure on him, or are you voting for him because you believe he is the most likely Genestealer? If you believe he's the most likely Genestealer - why do you believe this?

I'm voting to put pressure on him.

I feel that throughout this game Stynier has been using some decidedly dodgey logic to accuse various players of being genestealers. His votes towards the start seemed somewhat random (by which I mean he was switching between them a lot). Also, more recently, Arhiener's apology for voting appear slightly suspicious, but I am less suspicious of him than Stynier. I would think it better for this group as a whole if we could se his explanation before voting rashly.

I'd have to say that I feel the less safe of the two on L-1 due to Mekboy's counting ability and that he can still vote, but I'll admit at first I may have been suspicious as I was too cautious of traitors and believe it's hard to go on what people just say when you've got little evidence and different interpretations, though I realised that it's better to go on something than nothing. My main problem now is I have to hunt scum and not be slightly suspicious at the same time due to this situation. The reason I apologised for my vote was because by that time it had put a lot of pressure on us -2 traitors so we have to hit a traitor now or tomorrow. Then people started viewing any slightly possible suspicious action (that's worded badly, I mean anything remotely leading to a lead for a traitor) and by what had happened, I was jumped on first

As an end note, I'm 70%-80% sure that one of Stynier and Airman is a traitor, and if you vote me off that's almost definate.

I am fully aware you are 1 vote from being lynched, Arheiner, and will not be voting for you just yet.

@Mekboy and Arhenier

I note that both of you list off Stynier as a likely suspect, this is a suspicion I share. However, currently Arheiner is voting for Mekboy and Mekboy is voting for no one - how do each of you feel your suspicion of Stynier ranks as compared to your suspicion of each other?

To rephrase since that did seem slightly oddly worded;

@Arheiner - currently you are voting for Mekboy but state high suspicion of Stynier. Who of the two do you suspect more and why?

@Mekboy - currently you are voting no one but have commented about suspicion of Stynier. Is he your top suspect?

@Gornall (if/when you escape the holiday festivities) as the initial starter of the wagon on Mekboy, how do you feel about where it currently stands and what are your thoughts on my Arhenier wagon?

(Just to let you guys know I will be gone until Dec. 26 due to my family Christmas party. I will try to check in as much as I can)

Ok 2 day game extension. Damn Xmas

At first glance, my suspicion of Mekboy is lessened somewhat, as he hasn't voted off Arnheiner yet. From a short term perspective, that would be his best play, but if he thinks that killing off Arnheiner would be the final nail in his own coffin, I can see why he wouldn't do that.

On the other side of the coin, if he is innocent, I'm kind of suprised that he hasn't voted simply to save himself and lynch Arnheiner. Better to lynch someone he is unsure about than to allow someone he knows to be innocent to be lynched. Once again, though, it's the idea of playing the short game versus the long game. If he lynches someone today, he makes himself a prime target for tomorrow. However, if Arnheiner and Mekboy are in cohoots together, that's a pretty good reason why he wouldn't want to pull the trigger.

As to your wagon, Thor, my biggest reason for suspecting Arnheiner is his interaction with Mekboy. Without assuming Mekboy is guilty, this rationale falls through. His first day actions were slightly suspicious, but I don't think they stand out on their own.

The current events seem to fit a Mekboy/Arnheiner alliance, as Mekboy is reluctant to pull the trigger and Arnheiner was defensive of him earlier. Further, they both offer the same person (Stynier) as an alternative, but haven't yet provided rationale as to why. However, this could very well be confirmation bias on my part and I'm interested to hear why they suspect Stynier.

((OOC - Thank you for the extension Lord-Loss! That means our Day Phase will end on Wednesday of next week.))

Gornall, I'll disagree with you about Arheiner needing Mekboy as a partner - as I've said, I could see a reasonable pairing of him with either you or Stynier. I will agree he seems most likely to be paired with Mekboy, but I feel he is more likely to be scum regardless of whether Mekboy is scum or not. Also, the only partner who seems clear for Mekboy in my mind is Arheiner, which decreases the logic of voting Mekboy at this juncture in my mind.

With your proposal of a Mekboy/Arheiner Genestealer pair why do you feel Mekboy is the better lynch today as opposed to Arheiner?

Other then that I feel your post is fairly ripe with WIFOM arguments that could go lots of ways. I would caution about allowing yourself to get too gnarled up in them this early in the process. Mekboy has reasons to both drop the hammer and not drop the hammer on Arheiner regardless of whether one, neither, or both of them are Genestealers.

Thor, yes I do currently find Stynier the most suspicious. And, while I find Arhiener suspicious too, I have less reason to believe he is a genestealer.

That's a good point about a possible Arnheiner lynch over Mekboy even if I suspect both, as that does cover the possibility of an alliance of Arnheiner/Stynier (I'll have to look over that before I think about changing my vote). I have been going with Mekboy as I think his actions stand on their own (hammering Vulkan, jumping on established wagons, etc) but are also supported by other factors such as Arnheiner defending him.

What makes either a Stynier/Arnheiner or a Stynier/Gornall pairing seem likely?

As a small aside, did anyone think it was strange that Stynier made a "mistake" about the vote count on Mekboy?

EDIT:

What makes either a Stynier/Arnheiner or a Stynier/Gornall pairing seem likely?

should read:

What makes either a Stynier/Arnheiner or a Arnheiner/Gornall pairing seem likely?

I got my nier's and einer's confused.

Mekboy wrote:Thor, yes I do currently find Stynier the most suspicious. And, while I find Arhiener suspicious too, I have less reason to believe he is a genestealer.

I would advocate you advancing that theory more stridently then. Currently no one is really looking at Stynier and it is your responsibility if you have the suspicion to try and express it to others and prove its worth as a hook to hang a vote on.

Gornall wrote:What makes either a Stynier/Arnheiner or a Stynier/Gornall pairing seem likely?

For the record I proposed a Arheiner/Stynier and Arheiner/Gornall pairing over a Gornall/Stynier pairing (though I accept that one as a possibility. As I expressed in my initial post about this concept I find the four of you to have the most scummy seeming actions to my mind. I explained why I thought a Styneir/Mekboy and Gornall/Mekboy seemed unlikely and pointed out a fairly strong belief in a Arhenier/Mekboy. With those beliefs (Arnheiner and/or Mekboy as most likely scum, Mekboy not pairing with brother S or Gornall, and Brother S and Gornall with a tertiary scum likelihood) I outlined my belief in the probable scum pairs I have advanced. If I had to list my three biggest suspects it would be Arheiner, Mekboy, and Brother Stynier - since I cannot see Brother Stynier and Mekboy being paired together considering their actions on Day 1 and today logic dictates I vote for the lynchpin who also has potential connections to the two other top suspects in my eyes.

As far as going into specifics I don't want to do that just yet because partly the suspicions are gut reads, partly they are still ongoing investigations I'm working on, and partly because their relevance has little bearing to my active action of suggesting Arheiner is scum and should be lynched. I'll happily discuss why I think any individual from my stated four is scum, but the scum pairs work is a bit more archaic of a discussion and one I feel is a bit more damaging to dwell on openly at this time (it is much more important in lylo situations, which will be tomorrow if we fail to lynch scum).

Gornall wrote:As a small aside, did anyone think it was strange that Stynier made a "mistake" about the vote count on Mekboy?

No more or less so then Mekboy's "mistake" hammer on Day 1. How much scumminess you attribute to it is a bit of a personal thing after that.

I am pretty much ready to change my vote to Arnheiner, as he does have more potential partners than Mekboy. I feel pretty good about the two of them being traitors together, so it really doesn't matter to me which one gets lynched first. My only misgiving is a possible Thor/Mekboy pairing, but I feel that to be less likely than the other options. Anyone have any last comments before I drop the hammer?

Personally I'd like to give Arheiner time to answer my question and also for n0t_u to show up again and offer some commentary prior to any hammer drop. Not a giant concern, but I usually like to have all questions answered and definitely at least hear grunts from everyone else in agreement of a proposed lynch.

Exactly... hence why I'm stating my intent before changing my vote. I want everyone to have plenty of time to make any final arguments before pulling the trigger. (OOC:: Especially with the holidays) *Eyes Mekboy*

Thor665 wrote:

@Arheiner - currently you are voting for Mekboy but state high suspicion of Stynier. Who of the two do you suspect more and why?

The vote is still there so I'm not the only one under the gun. The odds are one of Airman and/or Stynier are a traitor as I know i'm innocent, and therefore they are 2 of the most suspicious 4 (including me.) If I remove my vote for Mekboy however, he's no longer on L-1 and therefore I'm under far more pressure, and you're far more likely to kill off me, which puts far more pressure on a traitor being lynched tomorrow. Stynier is the most suspect, but without pressure on him it's probably a lost cause for today.

OOC-Merry Christmas, it's Xmas day in Aussie and NZ

Arnheiner... I'm still interested in hearing exactly why you suspect Airman and Stynier. You keep mentioning that you suspect him, but I haven't seen concrete reasoning as to why. Why is he a better candidate for a lynch than yourself?

I agree with Gornall. Explain out your logic - between you I and Gornall we're 3/4ths of the way to a lynch if you can present a good argument for the airman/Stynier ticket.

Hey, a while ago I found this old scroll here. It detailled an ancient Terran festivity that took place many milleniae ago, which appears to have been known as 'eks-mas'. Some sort of creature, known as 'Santy Claws' was worshipped on this day each year, and in return this creature, which was obviously some form of daemon attempting to corrupt humanity, delivered wrapped gifts to the entire planet in one night. Obviously, with the crude technology available to the planet back then, this would have been nigh on impossible for one creature, suggesting that many daemons may have worked together on this. Anyway, merry 'Eks-mas' to all of you, except you genestealer scum.

Merry "Eks-mas" to you mekboy.

Thor665 wrote:Personally I'd like to give Arheiner time to answer my question and also for n0t_u to show up again and offer some commentary prior to any hammer drop. Not a giant concern, but I usually like to have all questions answered and definitely at least hear grunts from everyone else in agreement of a proposed lynch.

My reason is the same as it was at the time I made my vote. He seemed the most suspicious as Mekboy dropping the hammer on Vulkan could have just been a mistake. He at first said he wanted to stay mostly out of the picture until a good vote presented itself. He then quickly changed through the Random Voting Phase simply because my vote went to him because he mentioned how he wanted to stay quiet and wait for the best time to vote. That seemed suspicious to me as that could also possibly include voting like Mekboy apparently did as a mistake. Other than that the other people that seem suspicious to me are Mekboy and Styner, but at the moment they do not appear as the most suspicious to me. If we're unlucky, Styner turns out to be one of the Genestealers and has done a very good job at manipulation. I'm suspicious of him, but not 100% decided on him yet. It's more of a 50-50 chance.

Hopefully no one comes and throws the hammer at either of these two until it's the right time for the lynch; we don't want anymore accidental loyalist deaths.

Merry Christmas everyone

For the record I feel we've given Arheiner sufficient time to come in and defend himself more or post suspicions against Stynier. I am quite content if someone wishes to drop the hammer. With the lack of posting I see no advantage to waiting till Wednesday.

Gornall has explained his reasons and logic - if anyone else wants to drop the hammer please explain specifically why you're voting Arheiner before you do.

You wish the hammer drop on him do you? Well I could easily do it, though that would cast more suspicion my way as he has already voiced himself as being against me. That alone would give you more than enough motive to kill me tomorrow should he be innocent.

I would drop the hammer on him for the following reasons, his unwillingness to explain why he finds me most suspicious, others who claim me as a threat have stated simply as to why. My behavior on the first day, my seeming ability to "manipulate" people into doing things, this I have not seen in practice but at least its a reason.

Arheiner has not given anything to support his reasons why and that is why I am wary of him. It seems he wishes just to side with those that are wary of me in order to get them to come for me, almost like he wants to slip in and 'accidentally' deliver the vote which will lead to my death.

But I feel I cannot vote for him at the moment, as if he were not the traitor scum you would all turn on me, and then you would have been my subtle assassin Thor, killing me by me voting.

It seems like my death may help our victory at this rate. Drop the hammer on me and your options for the pairing become much less than they are now. Either way, just hit a traitor next time.

Why do you suspect Airman/Stynier?

Even now you don't try to defend your reasoning for voting for me! You simply assume, you sit around hoping to get people to vote for me, yet when you vote you chose another target, perhaps one you know is loyal? All the while waiting for four people to vote for me so that you my silence me.

BrotherStynier wrote:But I feel I cannot vote for him at the moment, as if he were not the traitor scum you would all turn on me, and then you would have been my subtle assassin Thor, killing me by me voting.

Melodrama much?

If you think I'm being your "subtle assassin" somehow then please come out and state how my push on Arheiner and feelings of suspicion towards Mekboy, Gornall, and you somehow makes me the master of a giant plot to get you to vote for Arheiner so I can lynch you on Day 3. This is an incredibly scummy post you're making and is an appeal to emotion without any sort of supply of reasoning or logic. I really see no reason for you to post like you have if you are a loyalist.

@arheiner - the hammer still has not been dropped on you. If you have any suspicions that have not yet been stated now is a good time to get them out as they will help the rest of the loyalists on Day 3.

I know that i'm innocent, so Airman or Stynier are the most suspicious to me ATM, followed by Not_U, then Mekboy. Stynier is the most suspicous though, I just don't like his logic so far. Airman isn't as supicious though I think if Stynier's not a traitor, then he most likely is. I know I'm not explaining much, but at this stage I don't see anyone who isn't very suspicious, just a couple that are more so.

@Thor

If you believe that I am trying to say this has all been one plot by you to kill me than that is incorrect, I was saying that I will not vote for him, because it seems to me that others are more than willing to kill me should I vote for him. I will not vote the final vote for him, not yet at least. I was providing reasoning for why I wasn't going to, as well as reasoning for why I would, you did ask for reasoning as to why we would vote, I assumed you'd want a reason for why would wouldn't.

Me jumping out to vote for him because you asked would more than likely end with me dead tomorrow, and then the traitors would win.

Arheiner wrote:so Airman or Stynier are the most suspicious to me ATM...

How am I suspicious? Will you please tell me.

Stynier, due to your unwillingness to provide responses to my post on why I find you suspicous, and that last post, I feel that I might need to put some more pressure on you.

Vote: BrotherStynier

@Mekboy, what did you ask him that you thought he was obligated to respond to?

@Stynier - I do feel that's what you were saying, otherwise you would have referred to me as an unintentional assassin or some such. Instead you say stuff like this;

You [Thor] wish the hammer drop on him do you? Well I could easily do it, though that would cast more suspicion my way as he has already voiced himself as being against me. That alone would give you more than enough motive to kill me tomorrow should he be innocent.

Emphasis is mine.
So what I'm reading here is you saying that by me asking for a hammer, if I get you to vote that said hammer, that I will use that as evidence tomorrow to lynch you.

I will note that I have listed Gornall as equally suspicious to you in my eyes since I've started discussing who I find most suspicious. Gornall has earlier discussed an intent to drop the hammer on Arheiner. I find it very interesting that you see my actions as a potential trap for yourself, whereas if it is a trap it could equally be a trap for Gornall, and I would have already caught Gornall in it. This just screams to me that you are feeling very nervous and sensitive about your loyalty and perhaps are seeing people question it or set traps that are not in fact even there. I would tend to suggest this is a mindset that a true loyalist wouldn't have.

You then include your subtle assassin line, again specifically addressed at me. You are not discussing how the group would turn on you, you are discussing how *I* would turn on you and set you up. I really don't see how I could have read that post any other way.

I was expecting him to give me some reasons not to vote for him, preferably countering my points.

If you definitely want a reply from someone I would note that it's (in my opinion) best to ask it in the form of a question. That way if they don't answer you can later point out how they avoided you.

You made your accusations more as a general statement, which makes it easier for Stynier to ignore as he's not obligated to respond to a statement. I also don't think his lack of response to a statement from you is a good reason to vote in and of itself.

Thor665 wrote:@Mekboy, what did you ask him that you thought he was obligated to respond to?

@Stynier - I do feel that's what you were saying, otherwise you would have referred to me as an unintentional assassin or some such. Instead you say stuff like this;

You [Thor] wish the hammer drop on him do you? Well I could easily do it, though that would cast more suspicion my way as he has already voiced himself as being against me. That alone would give you more than enough motive to kill me tomorrow should he be innocent.

Emphasis is mine.
So what I'm reading here is you saying that by me asking for a hammer, if I get you to vote that said hammer, that I will use that as evidence tomorrow to lynch you.

I will note that I have listed Gornall as equally suspicious to you in my eyes since I've started discussing who I find most suspicious. Gornall has earlier discussed an intent to drop the hammer on Arheiner. I find it very interesting that you see my actions as a potential trap for yourself, whereas if it is a trap it could equally be a trap for Gornall, and I would have already caught Gornall in it. This just screams to me that you are feeling very nervous and sensitive about your loyalty and perhaps are seeing people question it or set traps that are not in fact even there. I would tend to suggest this is a mindset that a true loyalist wouldn't have.

You then include your subtle assassin line, again specifically addressed at me. You are not discussing how the group would turn on you, you are discussing how *I* would turn on you and set you up. I really don't see how I could have read that post any other way.

Well forgive my poor choice of words, I could have sworn I had primarily stated that if I drop your hammer, the others would turn on me later on, at first I did state you, meaning you, though you had mentioned me as a suspect earlier on and tomorrow should you feel that I am more a threat you could turn on me if you so desired. Being wary of traps is something everyone should do, and questioning the motive of others is precisely what needs to be done in this matter. No one can be trusted, some more so than others, but when it comes down to it until we know who to trust its just everyman for himself, with a voting system.

BrotherStynier wrote:Well forgive my poor choice of words, I could have sworn I had primarily stated that if I drop your hammer, the others would turn on me later on, at first I did state you, meaning you,

I forgive your poor choice of words, but certainly maintain my right to bring them up again, as if I had not called you on those words who is to say you did not mean them as you initially stated? It might have been a typographical flub, or it might have been intended to try to paint me as some potentially scummy mastermind setting you up. I accept that you are professing the former explanation.

though you had mentioned me as a suspect earlier on and tomorrow should you feel that I am more a threat you could turn on me if you so desired.

Of course I could. I also have the ability to decide via the evidence of tomorrow that I have a totally new set of suspects I believe in. This game is very much a lot of Schrodinger's Cat, and until we lynch Areheiner to discover his scum/non-scum state I cannot be certain of some aspects of my current case. I still fail to see how me calling you out as one of a possible four suspects excuses your odd soft-selling of me as a mastermind trying to get you lynched. It's poor logic.

Being wary of traps is something everyone should do,

I disagree. This "traps" mentality of yours I find questionable. Loyalists should be focused on bringing up real evidence and logical breakdowns of reasoning. I have explained why your "trap" that you saw me setting for you is illogical, and still submit that the reason you saw it is quite possibly because you have guilty feelings because you are a Genestealer and are extra sensitive to such issues.

and questioning the motive of others is precisely what needs to be done in this matter. No one can be trusted, some more so than others, but when it comes down to it until we know who to trust its just everyman for himself, with a voting system.

Questioning motives is very much a good idea, and I agree with you here. However, I strongly disagree with your other concept. It is not every man for himself, it is Imperium loyalists versus Genestealers. If by my dying I could assure the exposing of a Genestealer I would do so in an instant at this point. It is the job of a loyalist without any power roles to do their best to make reasoned and non-rushed votes on those they find most suspicious, and to also point out and expose any actions that appear less then helpful. The individual survival to the end for any given Imperium player is meaningless - if we kill both Genestealers then Vulken and EF win right along with the rest of us.

Thor665 wrote:[
I forgive your poor choice of words, but certainly maintain my right to bring them up again, as if I had not called you on those words who is to say you did not mean them as you initially stated? It might have been a typographical flub, or it might have been intended to try to paint me as some potentially scummy mastermind setting you up. I accept that you are professing the former explanation.

To bring them up again is your right, and use it when you need to.

Of course I could. I also have the ability to decide via the evidence of tomorrow that I have a totally new set of suspects I believe in. This game is very much a lot of Schrodinger's Cat, and until we lynch Areheiner to discover his scum/non-scum state I cannot be certain of some aspects of my current case. I still fail to see how me calling you out as one of a possible four suspects excuses your odd soft-selling of me as a mastermind trying to get you lynched. It's poor logic.

Again I'm not trying to sell you out as a master mind, just commenting how at the time it would seem that it would be unwise of me to drop the last vote on Arheiner. Were another of your top suspects have done it they could have just as easily been wary of the decision

I disagree. This "traps" mentality of yours I find questionable. Loyalists should be focused on bringing up real evidence and logical breakdowns of reasoning. I have explained why your "trap" that you saw me setting for you is illogical, and still submit that the reason you saw it is quite possibly because you have guilty feelings because you are a Genestealer and are extra sensitive to such issues.

Can the Xenos, not also set traps? Already they have shown enough cunning to turn us against one another.

Questioning motives is very much a good idea, and I agree with you here. However, I strongly disagree with your other concept. It is not every man for himself, it is Imperium loyalists versus Genestealers. If by my dying I could assure the exposing of a Genestealer I would do so in an instant at this point. It is the job of a loyalist without any power roles to do their best to make reasoned and non-rushed votes on those they find most suspicious, and to also point out and expose any actions that appear less then helpful. The individual survival to the end for any given Imperium player is meaningless - if we kill both Genestealers then Vulken and EF win right along with the rest of us.

Today if your dying would help you would do it no doubt, if I knew for sure it would I would lay on the alter for the Imperium as well. Doing something for the Imperium is favorable to doing something for the people with us. If you want a sacrifice we have one waiting.

UNVOTE: Mekboy

VOTE: Arheiner

Using Thor's logic if you are loyal Arheiner, your soul will find its way to the Emperor and you sacrifice will be for ever remembered by those of us that survived. Though if you are one of the Xenos, rot in hell.

Interesting.

What changed between yesterday and today to make you now willing to drop the hammer on Arheiner?

Is someone dead?

I have been busy lately, I can start paying attention tommorow.

...okay, so I guess we're still in Twilight.

My question to Stynier still stands.

Huh?

Lord-Loss wrote:Huh?

OOC:Arheiner is dead, write death seen now.

Airman rugby tackled Arheiner onto the floor, BrotherStynier grabbed his arms, and held them down on the floor. Arheiner struggled, kicking his legs out. Thor ignored him, as he swung a large metal pole round, it connected with Arheiners head, and he started to struggle less Thor contuined to smash the pole into Arheiners head into blood was splattered all over the floor.

You find a pack of cigerates, a book of poems and a pen in Arheiners pockets.

Arheiner was a Imperial Citizen

You were suprised in the morning, when you found half of Thors corpse, his legs had been smashed with the pole you used to kill Arheiner. Pools of blood, were all over the floor. His upper torso was hanging from the ceiling. Upon closer inspection, you see his nose and been removed.


Thor was an Agent of the Officio Assassinorum

---Day 3---

Day 3 has began. Blalaha, you got two weeks, into Night 3, blalaha.

With 5 alive, its 3 to lynch.

My fellows, the time has come for me to announce the reasoning for my behavior. I am the Inquisitor, I knew yesterday that Thor was the agent of the Assassinorum, that was my reasoning for calling him "my subtle assassin" I wished to inform him that I knew who he was in order to prevent him from accidentally killing me in the night. Despite the back and forth between the two of us, I believe he got the message.

I reveal this now because in my investigations last night I discovered that Gornall is one of the traitors. I beg you all to believe me for Emperor's sake.

My reasoning for the elimination of Arheiner was simple, Thor had a point, even a loyalist's death could lead to our victory over the xenos. Should you chose to believe me, then know that all of our fallen comrades have given their life to lead to this final moment.

Most inquisitors wouldn't reveal themselves so early in the game. Care to explain why you did so?

Early? I wouldn't call this early Mekboy, there are only five of us remaining. If we lynch someone today that is not a genestealer, IE not Gornall or his unknown accomplice, the Genestealers will win.

We kill the wrong person, they kill another in the night and during the next day they eliminate the last remaining person. Hell remove the wrong person today and they can kill us now.

With the stakes so high I wouldn't call it early.

Rather convinient to reveal yourself as the Inquisitor now isn't it? You dropped the hammer on an innocent, for little to no reason, and Thor questions you; now he's dead. You've kind of been pretty suspicious the whole game to me, but not enough to think that you were actually a traitor, but this sets you above the others in my opinion.

Why should we believe that you are the inquisitor? It looks more like you're trying to shift any suspicion away from yourself and onto someone that might figure it out and see through your mask. For the Emperor's sake we shall not listen to the lies of the traitor. Everyone, think this through thoroughly we cannot afford any mistakes and it would be a mistake to blindly believe what anyone says. These traitors are tricky, they've avoided capture so far, but if we think this through I know we can beat them.

If you fail to listen to me then you can not beat them. As an Inquisitor I need very little reason as to why someone should be killed, if its for the good of the Imperium the ends justify the means.

Convenient to reveal myself now? Would you have preferred I reveal myself yesterday, and compromise Thor's cover? No thank you, that would not have helped him or I and you simply would have believed us to be working together and lynched one of us.

I had wished that Thor survive the night, that way along with him we could have stepped forward, preferably with whom ever was the third and final Imperial amongst us. Then it would have been more obvious as to who amongst us were the traitors.

At least if you chose to kill me I can be content knowing that you all will be joining me in hell soon enough.

I meant it never seems to be a good idea to reveal yourself (unless the game is over ). But, your timing was pretty bad. Right after you dropped the final vote with little to no reason beyond "Using Thor's logic if you are loyal Arheiner, your soul will find its way to the Emperor and you sacrifice will be for ever remembered by those of us that survived. Though if you are one of the Xenos, rot in hell." Which I'll admit was rather cool. But, after Thor questioned you vote and died, revealing yourself only makes you look even more suspicious and is kind of making it hard for me to actually believe that you are and Inquisitor and not simply saying you are as an easy way to throw off suspicion.


For all we know Gornall, Mekboy or even I could be the real Inquisitor and simply didn't reveal that they were because they knew it wasn't the best idea.

This late in the game revealing myself seemed the better choice, after all this is, I will state yet again, our last day should we fail to locate the genestealers. Not revealing myself would be the mistake. My reveal would have been better had Thor survived the night. Personally I knew I would survive the night, after all, who better to set up than the one that already has attracted the attention of the others?

If the stealers play their cards right, this phase will end quickly and lead to their victory.

Killing Thor for questioning me seems the obvious choice, were I truly a genestealer I would have chosen to kill Gornall or even Mekboy, two targets with which I have had little connection to or issues with through out the events.

If you really go for me based on the fact that Thor questioned me and now he's dead then your logic is even more flawed than my apparent logic of revealing myself.

By the way, VOTE: Gornall

(OOC: I was hoping someone would appreciate the sometimes over used "Rot in hell line")

We shouldn't be too quick to vote. If someone votes for the wrong person, then the two genestealers can pounce on them and finish this game.

I'm voting for him because I know for a fact that Gornall is one of the Xenos, my vote will not be removed from him at all. You can debate over whether you want to kill me or Gornall as long as you like, though I feel you'll chose me in the end Mekboy. You've been awful defensive of of Gornall since I stated I know him to be one of the traitors, scared the others may join me in bringing out the truth of your joint existence?

Egads - they took my nose, now I can't smell their scummy actions.

Best of luck to both sides...but mostly the Imperium one.

My fellows, the time has come for me to announce the reasoning for my behavior. I am the Inquisitor

That is not true, for I am the Inquisitor.

Okay then Airman, who have you investigated? And what were the results?

Underneath Thor, you find a note:

I am the inquisitor

Love Arheiner

Mekboy wrote:Okay then Airman, who have you investigated? And what were the results?

Sadly my investigations have been foiled by a genestealer mangus, but I believe that the mangus is BrotherStynier.
Here are my reasons:
1. BotherStynier was the one that dropped "the hammer" on Arheiner.
2. The whole "my subtle assassin" could have been BrotherStynier telling the other genestealer that Thor665 was a assassin.
3. On day one BrotherStyner unvoted not_u and then voted mekboy without any reason.
4. Gornall put BrotherStynier on his "suspicious list" but didn't vote to lynch him.
5. Thor665 said

If you think I'm being your "subtle assassin" somehow then please come out and state how my push on Arheiner and feelings of suspicion towards Mekboy, Gornall, and you somehow makes me the master of a giant plot to get you to vote for Arheiner so I can lynch you on Day 3. This is an incredibly scummy post you're making and is an appeal to emotion without any sort of supply of reasoning or logic. I really see no reason for you to post like you have if you are a loyalist.

What, all of your attempts? That sounds remarkably unlucky. Or maybe a bad cover-up?

Well played Stynier... Well played... FOR TRAITOROUS SCUM!!!

You act argumentative the entire time, making very little actual contribution to our cause. Then when you sense that things might be turning against you (off of Arnheiner) you drop the hammer on Arnheiner, even as Thor is questioning you, rather than giving him time for the conversation to run its course (as compared to me, who didn't drop the hammer vote because I wanted to give more time to dicuss things). Then, as you know if Thor survives the night, he will continue his questioning of you, especially as Arnheiner turned out to be innocent. Therefore you have him killed to cover your tracks. Luck smiled on you in that he was also an assassin, so you killed a flock of birds with one stone. Not only can you cast doubt on me from my earlier encounters with Thor, but you also can claim to be the Inquisitor and state after the fact that your poor choice of words about subtle assassins was in fact actually reaching out to him. Further, because you claimed first, now anyone else claiming looks desperate. Overall, it looks like a winning proposition for you, as you assumed you needed only one more innocent lynch to win.

However, several things happened that threw your plans into complete disarray. First off, you did not count on a Night Lord Cultist in our midst. “How do you know that there is one?” you might ask. I know there is one, because I happen to know Airman and Stynier are BOTH lying. I am THE Inquisitor. My first investigation was into EF who died. I wanted to investigate Thor, but I figured given his logical nature, it would be unlikely for the genestealers to let him live through the night. Therefore, I went with EF, as he had been very vocal and I needed to know where I could trust him or not. My second investigation was into Mekboy, as I still suspected him for his hammer on Vulkan. Since he had avoided the lynch, but still had suspicions on him, I figured he would be less likely to get night-killed. I still suspected him, so I wanted to know where he stood. He came back as a loyal citizen.

Because I am the Inquisitor, I know that both Airman and Stynier are lying. However, they are both taking positions that are mutually exclusive, meaning both are on different teams. This means that one has to be a Genestealer (which I believe to be Stynier because his actions make the most sense) and the other has to be a Night Lord Cultist (which fits against Thor as an Assassin). Stynier thought that by claiming to be the inquisitor, he could get me lynched. I argue that he probably thought Thor was the only pro-town role or that even if another Inquisitor was present, by claiming first he could win the debate. What still confuses me is why Airman came out to declare himself as an Inquisitor after seeing Stynier’s post. If he is indeed a Night Lord Cultist as I suspect, if he believed Stynier to be the genuine article, he would be better off staying quiet and letting a genestealer be lynched so he would have fewer threats against him. If he believed Stynier to be a genestealer, then my only idea is that he thought it would flush the real inquisitor out and still possibly get a genestealer killed. That way, the genestealers have to go after the inquisitor or risk being found out and he is free to go after a genestealer. I’ll be the first to admit it’s flimsy, but it’s a lot more plausible than “I got blocked every round by a Magus who would have no idea that I was an inquisitor…”.

What all this means is that I believe Stynier to be a Genestealer, Airman a Night Lord, and by process of elimination, Not_U to be Stynier’s partner. His "doubt" of Stynier is obviously a ploy to remove a connection between the two of them if their plans today go sour. That way if we (as in Mekboy and I) were to manage to lynch a genestealer today, the survivor would be less likely to be lynched tommorrow, giving them a better chance of victory. If people look back at both Stynier’s and Not_U’s past actions (voting patterns and behavior) they shall find all the evidence they need. Not_U was the only person to vote for both lynches and has been cryptic and hasn't provided hardly any useful input. Stynier dropped the hammer fast and has been argumentative and all over the place with his logic and voting.

What makes this difficult however, is given that there are 3 factions, two factions must work together to get a lynch. If no one is lynched or a genestealer (Stynier or Not_U) is lynched, then the genestealer(s) and night lord fight it out tonight and who knows what the outcome is. It wouldn’t look good for us unless we killed a genestealer, Airman kills the remaining one, and we lynch Airman tomorrow. If we lynch Airman the Night Lord, then the genestealers automatically win. If I am lynched, then the genestealers win. Therefore our only chance of survival is to kill a genestealer.
Because of this I Vote for Stynier .

Wow. Any other inquisitors want to pop up out of the woodwork?

Just reading your last sentance. Interesting how you managed to forget me. A slip of the tongue maybe. But nevertheless, suspicious. You say you know I'm innocent. But you would know that if you were a genestealer.

Here's my thought. An airman-Gornall pairing. The two of us that, according to him, must survive.

Vote: Airman

Well played Gornall.

Well airman, it's now pretty much a given that you're anti-imperium. There are two reasons to claim to be the inquisitor:
Actually being the inquisitor.
Being a 'stealer/heretic who is trying to misdirect us.

And I'm sorry but your excuse doesn't hold up.

Mekboy wrote:Well airman, it's now pretty much a given that you're anti-imperium. There are two reasons to claim to be the inquisitor:
Actually being the inquisitor.
Being a 'stealer/heretic who is trying to misdirect us.

And I'm sorry but your excuse doesn't hold up.

What about reason number three: being a citizen who's lying to save himself.

If you're a citizen, then you shouldn't pretend to be an inquisitor to save yourself, as the real inquisitor will call you out and get you lynched.

Mekboy wrote:If you're a citizen, then you shouldn't pretend to be an inquisitor to save yourself, as the real inquisitor will call you out and get you lynched.

I didn't say I was a citizen. I just said that some people might do that.

I never said you were a citizen, either.

It sounded like you said I was a citizen.

Mekboy wrote:Wow. Any other inquisitors want to pop up out of the woodwork?

Just reading your last sentance. Interesting how you managed to forget me. A slip of the tongue maybe. But nevertheless, suspicious. You say you know I'm innocent. But you would know that if you were a genestealer.

Here's my thought. An airman-Gornall pairing. The two of us that, according to him, must survive.

Vote: Airman

Obviously you must be the other Inquisitor Mekboy.

I am pleased that you are under the assumption that Airman and Gornall may be the genestealer scum, you have every right to suspect me yet chose them. This could make it seem like we are the ones working together, to the one other person that may be I only would like to know why it is you choose to split the votes between them? Could you in fact be one of them pretending to side with me, but choosing not to vote for your true partner?

@Gornall I find your claim to be a member of the most intriguing, coming out claiming to be the "true" Inquisitor after another imposter had already attempted to claim my title certainly shows commitment to your cause. Your claim that on the first night you investigated EF to be almost correct, you did pay the poor man a visit the first night, a visit which ended with you and your partner claiming the live of EF. Also I would like to know where the idea that there is a Night Lords Aspirant amongst us came from? The first post clearly states;

Lord-Loss wrote:I will verify that there is at least one pro-town role (like an Inquisitor or Doctor) and that there are two Genestealers in your midst.

Now not only have you, in your own words, put yourself at EF's room the night he was killed, but you also have made the error of claiming a role that was not even hinted at in the first post. Before you mention that "you are the inquisitor" and that's how you know he is a Night Lord Aspirant, I would like you to show me where in this thread Lord-Loss claimed there may be an additional Anti-Citizen role other than the Genestealers.

Acting argumentative the whole time? For the first while I engaged in the same acts of random questioning that you did as well, then I quickly quieted myself. In the first round of voting I did not vote for Vulkan, something you did do, that was a hunt you started. You counted on his inexperience, and possibly a "Accidental" vote from your partner to kill him, should Mekboy turn out to be your partner. As for the killing or Anrheiner, it was necessary in order to help identify you. You also fail to take into account that I would be more than aware of the fact that if Thor died in the night (going along with my vote for Anrheiner) I would become prime suspect the next day something that a genestealer, like yourself, would wish to avoid. It is then knowing that the death of Thor would help to drive the others against me, you then saw the perfect opportunity to set me up in a way that would allow you a quick victory.

The one thing you did not count on was me being the Inquisitor, you probably hoped that not only was Thor the one person who's death would assure you victory, but was also the Inquisitor. You hoped that his death would prevent him from learning that I was infact a loyalist. What I think how ever is that you either prevented a quick victory for yourself, in that he was unable to kill me in the night because he may not have gotten my hint and suspected me. Him killing me would have helped you. Now you are scrambling to try and make up for that mistake, hoping that the one person who you knew you could easily set up, who is also the true Inquisitor does not gain the support he needs to kill you.

Once again, I was the first vote on Vulkan in the RANDOM voting phase. What happened next was beyond my control, so I think that is hardly evidence that I'm a genestealer. Your hammer vote when under pressure from Thor is much more damning. You further say that Thor's death is proof of a setup, when it could just as easily be you covering your tracks.

As for my "mistake" of there being another anti-town role, it is the only plausible explanation for Airman's actions. Why else would he claim to be a second/third inquisitor?

Well I supose I have to pick a side eventually in this as I am actually the Inquisitor as well (joking).

Although it does seem like Styner honestly thinks that Gornall is the traitor, I just don't see the proof. He just simply claims to be the Inquisitor and says that he is. If he could just back it up, if he really knows that he is he'll be able to find all the evidence to point to it. However to me Airman seems to be the more suspicious one. He also claimed to be an Inquisitor, but it's even more unlikely than Styner being the Inquisitor. Call it flawed logic if you will, but I think Airman is probably one of the Genesteallers.

Vote: Airman

Unvote Stynier
Vote Airman

Gornall smiles and grabs Airman in a bear hug, Stynier just stands there, looking confused. Mekboy gets a knife from his belt and slices Airmans stomach open. Gornall lets Airman go. Dropping him on the floor, so he can die from loss of blood.


In Airman pockets, you find a book titled 'A guide to be being a fake Inqusitor' and some money.

Airman was a Imperial Citizen

You all turn around, going back to your room for the night. Gornall and N0t_u lag behind. BrotherStynier looks furious, he turns around to tell Gornall and N0t_u to hurry up. But a clawed hand grabs his face, and with inhuman strengh, smashes it down, upon the floor. Mekboy run for the exit, but N0t_u is already waiting. Mekboy screams as N0t_u teeth find the soft flesh of his throat.

With 4 left, the Genestealers, would have killed an citizen in night, then have lynched the remaining citizen in the next day phase

GAME ENDS, GENESTEALER VICTORY!

Nom nom....

Just as planned.




At first I honestly thought I would have been killed on Day 1. Styner was close but gave up and went to Mekboy instead. So that was probably luck, just like this last one was. We needed just one person to vote for a non-Genestealler, if you had believed styner and all voted for Gornall it seems likely that the Imperium would have won. As it wouldn't take much to figure out the other one based on elimination alone, the remaining Genestealler would be outnumbered and it would be fairly difficult to manage to win.

That was a pretty close game and it was fun. Good game everyone

Very good game! Echoing Not_U's remarks, I thought I was dead on Day 2 when Thor figured me out. I was too excited on Day 1 and really wanted more people to post (I'm tied to my computer in my home office because of work, so I'm on here quiet a bit).

I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts and I'll do a full breakdown of my thought process later tonight.

Damn it, I'd known you were suspicious since halfway through day 2 and then forgot about it to try and save myself.

so gornal and not_u were genestealers well played ive been watching and and guessing since i was out and never suspected not_u
well played

Goddam!
I got played :(

Until Day 2 I was sure that Mekboy was guilty, and I was sorta shifty around Thor. Then I figured on a Airman/Mekboy pairing. But I watched this thread carefully and I cheered as Gornall posted. I truly felt that he was the champion of the Imperial cuase. I feel so...betrayed now.

That was a lot of fun, even though I died early.

Gornall wrote:Very good game! Echoing Not_U's remarks, I thought I was dead on Day 2 when Thor figured me out. I was too excited on Day 1 and really wanted more people to post (I'm tied to my computer in my home office because of work, so I'm on here quiet a bit).

I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts and I'll do a full breakdown of my thought process later tonight.

I knew you were dicey. The problem was I just didn't have enough of Day 1 to get a clear read on you (that really did help the scum to have such a short day to prevent a lot of early reads), so it wasn't till the end of Day 2 I was really being fairly certain about you and/or Stynier (I was just wrong on Arheiner, though I was fairly confident Mekboy was innocent which was why I kept trying to ease the dogs off of him and I figured even if I was wrong on Arhny it would help me peg you or Stynier)). I also wish somebody had backed me with some pressure on you earlier on Day 2 as I think we could have got some better reads off of you, but the Mekboy wagon was so potent it was hard to keep any interest on ol' Gornall and his odd postings. Clearly my scum read on Stynier was more of a trying to fly under radar Inquisitor read - sometimes I do seem to have a bad habit of confusing the two. I hadn't got a clear read off of n0t_u yet, so he was doing an excellent job of not setting off any of my scum tell detectors.

I have no idea what airman was plotting with the false roleclaim - thanks to that on Day 3 I was pretty sure it was some sort of weird Gornall/airman pairing (and I couldn't figure why they'd both role claim), and I'd been getting town reads off airman all game so I would have been *very* confused by that point. Airman, what were you thinking with false claiming as Inquisitor? It is generally accepted that falseclaims are not a good pro-town action, and your claim helped weaken Stynier's fairly obvious Inquisitor claim.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Goddam!
Until Day 2 I was sure that Mekboy was guilty, and I was sorta shifty around Thor. Then I figured on a Airman/Mekboy pairing. But I watched this thread carefully and I cheered as Gornall posted. I truly felt that he was the champion of the Imperial cuase. I feel so...betrayed now.

That was a lot of fun, even though I died early.

A good game. I have to admit with the pressure you came in early with on me I was really suspicious of you. You were basically using the same arguments against me that Manchu had used in the Drk_O game, and Manchu had been scum and I'd called him out for those arguments. I'm actually (and don't take this a bad way) happy Gornall and n0t_u killed you when they did or I probably would have been left barking up the wrong tree on Day 2 since I would have been very focused on you. clearly we were not sending the best signals to each other.

This was a very good game overall, some interesting play on both sides and overall a good level of conversation from multiple players which is always key.

Arheiner wrote:Damn it, I'd known you were suspicious since halfway through day 2 and then forgot about it to try and save myself.

Oooh, and just on basic Genestealer game theory I have to call attention to this.

This is one of the reasons I keep harping that the job of vanilla Imperium is not to survive, their job is to catch Genestealers. It's hard to do, but you have to focus on making sure your goal is to root out those who seem suspicious over any generalized actions to save yourself (though of course there are exceptions - for instance if you and someone else are both at L-1 and you're vanilla Imperium, you probably want to lynch that other person over maybe your top suspect because at least there's a chance they're scum, and you know you're not)

Day 1: We both wanted to fly under the radar and just sow confusion/discord as much as possible without bringing too much attention on ourselves. As I already mentioned, I was overly excited about this game and was talking too much. That and I wasn't a fan of the story arugment, as I think those don't help anyone's cause at all. Also, I've been vocal in previous games, so I thought it was important to keep consistent. I got lucky in my initial vote for Vulkan as he made himself an easy target and Mekboy did pull the trigger early, which would prove to be useful.

Night 1: We knew Stynier and Thor would be our biggest concerns because of their past performances. I was overly concerned about the doctor role possibly protecting Thor, so I convinced Not_U (against his better judgement) to go after EF and try and pin it on Thor because of their argument. In hindsight, I shoulda listened to Not_U. We then determined that we wouldn't help each other if we were in trouble on the next day, so there wouldn't be a link later.

Day 2: Started out perfectly with Airman wondering aloud if Thor had EF killed. I also threw out the idea of Mekboy lynching very quickly. Not_U prodded Airman to continue on with his suspicions (with no luck). At that point, I pushed on Mekboy a little too hard and got jumped on by Thor. I barely managed to talk my way out of it, but had to be very cautious from that point on. I wanted to make my actions seem plausible and throw out just enough doubt that it would give people alternatives, but not so much that it looked like I was throwing people under the bus to save myself.

The one bright spot was that Arnheiner defended Mekboy, something we were able to leverage to get two trains going. I was really hoping for a Mekboy lynch, as several said they suspected Arnheiner in multiple pairings, so he would be a viable canidate for the next day. I tried to throw out there that if someone at L-1 knows they're innocent, they should take the opportunity to lynch the other person, hoping Mekboy or Arnheiner would lynch the other. When that didn't happen, I threw out there that I was thinking about switching to vote for Arnheiner. However, I realized that would shine a big beacon on Not_U and I as we both had voted for Vulkan, so both of us voting for an innocent again wouldn't be good, especially if we wanted to kill Thor. Luckily, I was able to say I wanted Arnheiner to defend himself (hopefully throwing out more accusations). This put some pressure on Stynier (I'm assuming) which lead to a great fight between him and Thor and a quick lynch. These would be perfect to use the next day. I'm interested to hear whether Thor figured out Arnheiner's code.

Night 2: Thor had to die. Pretty much all there was to it. We were still worried about a doctor role, but figured Stynier wouldn't use it on Thor if he was. Because Mekboy hadn't tried harder to save himself, I didn't think he was a special role. We decided that if someone got fingered by the inquisitor, they should just counter claim, say they investigated the other two loyalists and found them to be innocents and hope for the best. We went into the day knowing we only needed one "wrong" vote and we could pounce and be done with it.

Day 3: Egads! Stynier figured me out! Even though Not_U decided to defend me a little more strongly than I would have liked, I was going to stick to the plan. It actually looked pretty dang nice (I sent the speech to LL) as I stated I investigated Airman on Night 1 as he was likely to survive it and Mekboy on Night 2 because he had managed to survive that day's lynch. Overall, I think it looked pretty dang nice. However, Airman went and threw a wrench in everything!

When he posted, I was going "WTF!". I couldn't see why he would lie (and we knew he was lying becaue of no Magus). The only thing that made any sense at all was the Night Lord thing. I honestly thought that he was one. So that's what I sold. I figured that if I got lynched, it would look like a bad attempt to cover Airman, possibly leading to him getting lynched before Not_U (who I had thrown under the bus). When Mekboy went for Airman, it just came down to catching Not_U online and dropping the hammer.

Overall, what do you think the baddies could have done better Thor? I know I should have kept my mouth in check more. But what about target selecction and general conversations?

Yeah... I can't say enough how Not_U was one tricky SOB. I think he could have pulled it off if we had to have went another day.

He didn't seem to do anything but it was our mistake to completely ignore him as he was in a comfortable position all game.

@Thor, I was going to vote for Gornall but then everyone went at me and Mekboy so he was going to come under questioning after us.

Double post for the fail.

Gornall wrote:Overall, what do you think the baddies could have done better Thor? I know I should have kept my mouth in check more. But what about target selecction and general conversations?

I will say you probably had a good basic idea going into Day 1 of not wanting to change up your meta (it's how I pegged scum Manchu in Drk_O's game really). In the grand scheme to achieve more victories for whichever side you play you want your gameplay to be the same whether or not you are scum or townie. So, you had a good basic plan, you just may not have executed it to perfection as there were a few things that sent up warning flags for me.

I may guardedly agree with you on your logic for not killing me Night 1 (I was surprised I lived though) because you're right. Previous players with solid play capability records like Stynier and I are good targets to kill early, but with the presence of a Doc/Psyker you have to be careful because they can be an early defense choice as well, and nothing messes up scum quicker then missed night kills.

I think considering the heat that EF and I had between ourselves I would have left us both alive. It's hard to get someone lynched simply because they had a beef with someone who was nightkilled - but EF and I clearly had a lot of mistrust and were picking up on tells from each other that were not real. that's pure gold for scum because then you can let us tear into each other the next Day Phase and have a nice assured lynch of an innocent.

That's about the worst I can say about your guys' play though, as other then that you did quite well. n0t_u showed some real improvement to his gameplay style as I was getting zero reads off of him (it'll be really dangerous when he can learn to always give off some basic town reads, as then I might never be able to sniff him out). You also had some major nice things go your way with the speedy Day 1 and the airman claim that really helped slow down the Imperium's ability to get a clear read of the situation (I loved your play as the third Inquisitor by that point, it threw so much gak up in the air that you were practically assured a mislynch at that point - excellent move).

@Arheiner - yeah, it's always rough on your first exposure to the game to end up being an early suspect. Really it's my fault too, as I was the one who blew the whistle on you (really as a compromise candidate from Mekboy and to try to help me figure out the Stynier/Gornall question). For the most part you did treat your impending lynch quite well - as you did try to keep expressing your ideas about other suspects to a degree (though i wish you'd answered airman when he kept asking why you found him so suspicious). But overall you were communicative and tried some functional and good responses to being lynched, which was really good play for a vanilla townie at that point in time.