After constantly reading about how powerful and enduring evil forces like Chaos, Necrons, Tyrannids, and Orks are supposed to be, I'd really like to see GW come out with an alliance between Eldar, Tau, and Empire. I mean, all three hate Chaos and struggle against it. They all fight Necrons and Tyrannids and Orks. And they're all supposed to be "good". It would be really fulfilling to see these races team up to fight and destroy evil once and for all instead of constantly fighting among themselves and weakening the good forces in the galaxy. Plus, I really like all three, and I think that their armies would work well together in combat to negate each other's weaknesses and bolster each other's strengths.

Uh oh. You said that the Imperials, Eldar, and Tau are good.

Prepare to be attacked.

In a less Grimdark setting that is what would happen. However, the Tau and Eldar know that the Imperium wants to wipe them out, and Chaos is the Imperium's main enemy, while affecting them much less. It's arguable that anyone is "good".

The only evil race is chaos. The Imperium and Eldar hate chaos but they are too weary and hating of one another. The orks are just violent and blood thirsty but evil is debatable. Necrons are neither good or evil because they kill to feed themselves and their gods. Tyranids are just animals living on instinct and surviving.

Tau don't hate Chaos, they don't really know anything about it. They do hate the Imperium, as do the Eldar. The Imperium hates the both of them.

You may as well have the Orks, Tyranids, and Chaos deciding that they should join forces.

I think Chaos is less evil then Imperium ( mainly space marines ) Guards are sort of ok... less brain washed hence they need commissars.

WDF! the Imperium is the most evil of all of them. The inquisition is F$#^% crazy. Orks on the other hand are just a fungus, how can you call a fungus evil?

CountCross wrote:The only evil race is chaos.

While I would like to consider Chaos the only "evil" race, you forgot Dark Eldar... Could Necrons be considered evil? What about a crazed religious organization bent on making sure humanity is the only race left standing in the entire universe? Surely that is evil

despoiler52 wrote:WDF! the Imperium is the most evil of all of them. The inquisition is F$#^% crazy. Orks on the other hand are just a fungus, how can you call a fungus evil?

Imperium ally with Xenos???



Heresy warning.


Seriously though, there have been times where the Imperium and those tricksy Eldar have allied on several occasion, sometimes on protracted campaigns to deafeat a greater enemy. (Ussually Chaos). There are even a case of Imperium allying with *shudder* Tau, although this was only one recorded event and only for a short time.

Never been a case of all three though. A Xenos-Human threesome? You know what that's called? Heresy.

Orkeosaurus wrote:Tau don't hate Chaos, they don't really know anything about it. They do hate the Imperium, as do the Eldar.

The Tau don't hate the Imperium. They just don't understand why they're so against the existence of other races.

If they did ever start hating them, though, it's because the Elda... Ethereals told them to.

LunaHound wrote:I think Chaos is less evil then Imperium ( mainly space marines ) Guards are sort of ok... less brain washed hence they need commissars.

Just saw this. I am none to please with your heresy Luna.



Thankfully, Commissar Fuklaw is gracious enough to give you a lesson on the evils of Heresy before your summary execution.

Da Boyz arnt evil Just lookin for a good fight the pink oomies are just to weak, now the buggy things they put up the good fight!

anticitizen013 wrote:

CountCross wrote:The only evil race is chaos.

While I would like to consider Chaos the only "evil" race, you forgot Dark Eldar... Could Necrons be considered evil? What about a crazed religious organization bent on making sure humanity is the only race left standing in the entire universe? Surely that is evil

Dark eldar are also simply surviving... by eating souls... And as for humans expanding their empire and purging the galaxy of xenos, we've been doing that forever and we never saw it as evil.

DE enjoy the torture though. They did it long before it became necessary.

Wait, the OP plays BT and wants an alliance with heretical xenos scum? Is it backwards day?

Aha but you see EF , thats what makes Imperium evil!
the commissar has it right!

Killing heretics is evil???
HERESY!

Emperors Faithful wrote:Killing heretics is evil???
HERESY!

He killed the Emperor! which was what Chaos wanted too!
So the commissar was brought up by the Imperium's teaching and with their standards ,
and he did what is right! , no double standards , no bias !

No, that's where your wrong, Luna!
The Commissar killed the Emperor becuase he interrupted him. Not becuase of heresy.

Apparently, those are two very different things.

The base Imperial Guardsmen are good, but the Imperium is corrupt!

Emperors Faithful wrote:No, that's where your wrong, Luna!
The Commissar killed the Emperor becuase he interrupted him. Not becuase of heresy.

Apparently, those are two very different things.

Yes but thats why Emperium pisses everyone / thing off !
( okok thats enough from me , from your name i know you like Emperor and his Emperium :x )

Lord of battles wrote:The base Imperial Guardsmen are good, but the Imperium is corrupt!

Yes!

RustyKnight wrote:Wait, the OP plays BT and wants an alliance with heretical xenos scum? Is it backwards day?

Well, Eldar hunt down a lot of the same things we Templars do, might be useful in combating Necrons, Chaos, Orks, Tyrannids, and Dark Eldar. And if we had to kill the Eldar and Tau after eliminating all other races, so be it. Divide and conquer, right? Ally with some now, then kill them.
But seriously, maybe we could make them part of our Empire after annihilating all other races, more glory for the Emperor, right?
And actually, I'm not so sure that we should kill Eldar and Tau, they're not so evil, if we could just work out our differences so they stopped hating us (cause its mostly based on misconceptions) we might be able to live as permanent allies; it would benefit all, both for war and for trade and invention etc.

Not all Imperials are evil. The average Guardsman just believes what he's told and there are notable Space Marine individuals/chapters who value the lives of civilians and aren't afraid to fight alongside xenos (such as Space Wolves, Ultramarines, Salamanders and Blood Ravens).

Who here thinks the Alien races would rather team up to wipe out Emperium instead of Chaos raise your hand!

Meeeeeeeeee

The xenos races wouldn't team up. Orks just can't; it's in their nature. Eldar don't fight all-out wars and Tau don't have the numbers. Dark Eldar, obviously, just hang around in Commoragh dicking each other.

@Luna: That's what they're all trying to do right now. XD




Now come, oh Ye Unfaithful! Tell me, how is the Imperium corrupt? How is it evil? Were it not for the treachery of chaos we would be living in a Utopia!!!

*breaks off into Emperor loving ballads*

Cheese Elemental wrote:The xenos races wouldn't team up. Orks just can't; it's in their nature. Eldar don't fight all-out wars and Tau don't have the numbers. Dark Eldar, obviously, just hang around in Commoragh dicking each other.

Yes but my point is "if" and which is to say they'll prefer Chaos over Imperium

LunaHound wrote:Who here thinks the Alien races would rather team up to wipe out Emperium instead of Chaos raise your hand!

Meeeeeeeeee

I don't doubt perfidious aliens would love to, even Eldar, but then they'd all end up fighting each other afterwards (what was left of them, if anything at all). Chaos would join in but die out with no humans left to hereticize.

Emperors Faithful wrote:@Luna: That's what they're all trying to do right now. XD




Now come, oh Ye Unfaithful! Tell me, how is the Imperium corrupt? How is it evil? Were it not for the treachery of chaos we would be living in a Utopia!!!

*breaks off into Emperor loving ballads*

Look at the Blood Ravens! was it Avitus? he is a jerkkkkkkkkk

In the grimdarkness of the far future, the Jerk carries the heavy bolter. I wouldn't call him that to his face.

Besides, how so is Avitus a jerkkkkk..k?

Emperors Faithful wrote:In the grimdarkness of the far future, the Jerk carries the heavy bolter. I wouldn't call him that to his face.

Besides, how so is Avitus a jerkkkkk..k?

He told the jump back guy " we are angels of death not angels of mercy"
then the jump pack guy said " wth does that even mean"

or something -_-

Empire forever!! Chaos be damned!! (It already is, but not everyone will accept that until you show them your bolt pistol in their face.)

@Luna: What would you have them do? Kiss the civilians boo-boos better? They were there to kill the enemy and move on, every second they wasted at one spot meant that thousands of lives were lost elsewhere.

@Fallanir: Ah, you are starting to see the light! Now if only you could drop these heretical notions of xenos love...

Platuan4th wrote:

Orkeosaurus wrote:Tau don't hate Chaos, they don't really know anything about it. They do hate the Imperium, as do the Eldar.

The Tau don't hate the Imperium.

"Strongly dislike", then.

Obviously they wouldn't care about them if they weren't in conflict with each other, but they are, because the Imperium doesn't want to submit to "The Greater Good" and the Tau don't want to be exterminated. They hate the Imperium as much as they hate anyone else.

I would love to see that battle on the table top. Imagine the size of the battle board oh and the points. and the length.

There was a earlier discussion on this and someone made a good point on why an allience could never happen.

Basically, for the most part, it isn't in their best interests.

The Tau:
From the Tau culteral perspective, they gain little from an alliance with the imperium. Their modus operandi is expansion, and currently they are doing a good job expanding into the imperium by getting podunk worlds to join the "greater good". If they had an allience they could no longer add imperial worlds to their empire, and may have to give some they currently have back. Plus, they are so tiny, the imperium defends them from alot just in protecting their own worlds.

I'm sure they wouldn't mind an alliance with the Eldar though, but that isn't going to happen because...

The Eldar:

They get NOTHING from an alliance with the primitive little blueberries. Remember, the Tau are a TINY little empire. Their technology is primitive compared to the Eldars. Plus, the farseers manipulate the Tau into doing what they want without an alliance. So, no alliance there.

The Imperium: again, not interested in their technology, and they do a very good job getting the imperium to fight their battles without having to deal with an allience. Not going to happen.

They are dying and concerned with surviving. They will not go and die for somebody else, and no one else can offer them any technology.

Finally, due to the Eldar mindset, alliances are doomed anyways. Sure you might manipulate monkeys into solving the termite problem in your forest (or the killer banana problem in your forest), but allying with them? You don't ally with monkeys silly. Just like you don't ally with horses or dogs or tigers. You may find a use for them, but an alliance?

The Imperium:

First of all, the xenophobia of the imperium is not just due to dogma, superstition, or chance. When things started falling apart at the end of the dark age of technology, all of humanities "allies" turned on them like vultures. Their automatic xenophobic hatred of anything not human was learned over the course of thousands of years of alien predations. It has been VERY deeply ingrained into the human culture, and isn't changing any time soon. Now from a more logical perspective:

What do they get from an alliance with the Eldar? Well they wouldn't use their technology, so that is out. And defense wise it is also a no go. The Eldar presence in the galaxy is miniscule compared to the imperiums. A few scattered craftworlds are not going to make a big dent in humanities battle over a million of worlds. And there is no way an Eldar would put his/her life on the line for a human anyways.

The Tau: Technologically...well nothing is happening there. First of all their culture would not allow them to use Tau tech, and secondly, Tau tech is arguably inferior to Imperial (I know I'm going to get flamed for that one). The Ad-Mech HAS more advanced tech than the Tau, they just refuse to distribute it to the hands of laymen.

But beyond that an alliance with the Tau offers NO military benefit. The Imperium consists of over one million worlds, the Tau a few dozen. What could the Tau possibly offer the Imperium in an alliace? The Tau continue to exist only because the Imperium has bigger fish to fry. Their one of my favorite races, but the Imperium is in a whole different league.


The three are just to incompatible. All of their goals conflict with each other.

No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium:Racsist, Facist, Genocidal Religous nuts.
Tau: Pretty much the same.
Eldar:Race that will do ANYTHING to survive.

....

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:
Eldar:Race that will do ANYTHING to survive.

....

Awwww yea.

Dark Eldar : A race that will do ANYTHING to survive... or pretty much whenever they feel like it.

There is no love in GRIMDARK!


All alliances in 40k go sour.

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Pure, Strong, Formidable Pios defenders of humanity.
Tau: Blueberrie communists who treat all other races as second-class citizens on thier own worlds.
Eldar:Race that will do ANYTHING to survive.

....

Fixed it.

now, we all know that an alliance with the eldar and tau would go wonderfully for the Imperium so long as we have 2 specific commanders for the imperial forces. First, we'd need that Capt. from the Extra Heretical "Blood Ravens Trilogy" of books... the eldar lover. and CREEEEEEEED!!!!

here's how it works. Blood Ravens captain "allies" with the eldar, Creed "works" with the Tau and eldar, and at the most opportune time his TACTICAL GENIUS!!!! takes over, and the Imperium wins out again... 2 birds with one stone, so to speak.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Space Nazis
Tau: Space Communists
Eldar:Race that will do ANYTHING to survive.
....

Fixed it.

Abridged it

CountCross wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Good
Tau: Bad
Eldar: EXTRA Bad.
....

Fixed it.

Abridged it

There we go, that should do it.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

CountCross wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Narcissistic Space Nazis
Tau: Just as narcissistic Space Communists
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die
....

Fixed it.

Abridged it

There we go, that should do it.

There we go

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: As good as you are going to get realistacaily with all the Grimdarkness.
Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (there's a reason why they're dying out.
....

Does that settle it?

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Very nice Narcissistic Spess Natzeez
Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (there's a reason why they're dying out.
....

Does that settle it?

There we go

CountCross wrote:

Emperors Faithful wrote:

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:No one in 40k really is good...

Imperium: Very nice Spess Peoplez
Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (there's a reason why they're dying out.
....

Does that settle it?

There we go

Nah, nah, nah, mate. THERE we go!

Alright then, this ends now.

Imperial Gaurd= Hard working men and women protecting their worlds from invasion.
Ultrmarines= Friggin brown nosers
Black Templar= Awesome in black armour
Dark Angels= Awesome in green armour
Space Wolves= Awesome in... Baby blue armour...
All other SM chapters= Awesome in whatever colour they are
Inquisition=Narcissistic Space Nazis

Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (Don'y have much of a choice they're only female eldar. )

CountCross wrote:
Inquisition=Narcissistic Space Nazis

Heresy!

CountCross wrote:Alright then, this ends now.

Imperial Gaurd= Hard working men and women protecting their worlds from invasion.
Ultrmarines= Friggin brown nosers, but in a nice way.
Black Templar= Awesome in black armour
Dark Angels= Awesome in green armour
Space Wolves= Awesome in... Baby blue armour... Who drink a lot.
All other SM chapters= Awesome in whatever colour they are
Inquisition=Neccessary Evil.

Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (Don'y have much of a choice they're only female eldar. ) Um, so you're saying that Eldar are gay becuase they're all chicks?
1) The Imperium would never want to kill a race entirely comprised of lesbians (that's way too hot)
2) The Imperium wouldn't need to.
3) There are chicks AND guy eldar, so your theory is fail.

I could do this all day.

Even IF an alliance could be made chaos cant be beaten since the very races that battle it also spawn it.
To defeat chaos the whole races minds would need to be altered so that they dont use any negative emotions.
In other words, humans would need to be changed to become inhuman in order to defeat chaos.

Pyriel- wrote:Even IF an alliance could be made chaos cant be beaten since the very races that battle it also spawn it.
To defeat chaos the whole races minds would need to be altered so that they dont use any negative emotions.
In other words, humans would need to be changed to become inhuman in order to defeat chaos.

you mean, like the space marines??

LunaHound wrote:Aha but you see EF , thats what makes Imperium evil!
the commissar has it right!

Emperors Faithful wrote:

CountCross wrote:Alright then, this ends now.

Imperial Gaurd= Hard working men and women protecting their worlds from invasion.
Ultrmarines= Friggin brown nosers, but in a nice way.
Black Templar= Awesome in black armour
Dark Angels= Awesome in green armour
Space Wolves= Awesome in... Baby blue armour... Who drink a lot.
All other SM chapters= Awesome in whatever colour they are
Inquisition=Neccessary Evil that are still narcissistic space nazis.

Tau: Narcissistic Space Communists.
Eldar: Ultra super narcissitic Space Skittles that need to die. And most likely Gay. (Don'y have much of a choice they're only female eldar. ) Um, so you're saying that Eldar are gay becuase they're all chicks?
1) The Imperium would never want to kill a race entirely comprised of lesbians (that's way too hot)
2) The Imperium wouldn't need to.
3) There are chicks AND guy eldar, so your theory is fail.

I could do this all day.

I was just pointing out that the Eldar are not the most masculine race, though in your defence internet sarcasm isn't always obvious.

The Inquisition are still space nazis, but I agree with you on them being a necessary evil.

And your lusting after a xeno race that is made out of lesbians... Well, let's just say that your necessary evil will fix you up. It is for your own good.

I wasn't lusting! I was...studying...the xenos. The more we know about them the better. Particularily thier breeding patterns.

It's all part of our cunning plan, y'see?

Indeed, but you would do well to know your place, and remember chaos is not the only visible taint. Chaos worship gives you tentacles and xeno porn gets you hairy palms.

Oh my gosh!!! This is getting really funny!!!
And my point was, Emperors Faithful, that if we can get Eldar and Tau to fight for us, there's that much less fighting we have to do. And they will kill more of our enemies for us. We could utilize thier forces to take out the real tough guys like Necrons and Chaos.

CountCross wrote:Indeed, but you would do well to know your place, and remember chaos is not the only visible taint. Chaos worship gives you tentacles and xeno porn gets you hairy palms.

And Slaneesh chaos porn gets you both!

DerangdFlamingo wrote:

CountCross wrote:Indeed, but you would do well to know your place, and remember chaos is not the only visible taint. Chaos worship gives you tentacles and xeno porn gets you hairy palms.

And Slaneesh chaos porn gets you both!

True, true... So chaos and porn are the two deadliest things in the 41st millenium.

If I had to choose, I'd take the xenos porn.

And not just normal xenos porn. I'm talking the extra-heretical kind.

This thread smells of emperium monkeigh -_-
*lalala skips away

LunaHound wrote:This thread smells of emperium monkeigh -_-
*lalala skips away

Smells good man.

Cheese Elemental wrote:

LunaHound wrote:This thread smells of emperium monkeigh -_-
*lalala skips away

Smells good man.

Better than smelling like a heretical xeno spehss elf...

Cryonicleech wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:

LunaHound wrote:This thread smells of emperium monkeigh -_-
*lalala skips away

Smells good man.

Better than smelling like a heretical xeno spehss elf...

*Note to self*
After visiting Crafworld Les, don't forget to shower heavily before attending Inquisitorial meetings...

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Cryonicleech wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:

LunaHound wrote:This thread smells of emperium monkeigh -_-
*lalala skips away

Smells good man.

Better than smelling like a heretical xeno spehss elf...

*Note to self*
After visiting Crafworld Les, don't forget to shower heavily before attending Inquisitorial meetings...

Don't forget to wax your palms.

And my surfboard.

Emperors Faithful wrote:And my surfboard.

Holy hell! Your surf board is also furry? I will take it upon myself to purge you of the xeno taint before you get yiffed. It will not be pleasent though, guess how the gay aliens keep tabs on their fans... Starts with an A-... ends in -nal probe...

But seriously, we're gonna have to remove it.

Wait, you want to remove my Surfboard?


HERESY!


Besides, my Surfboard isn't furry it's sandy. But I can certainly think of some jokes involving me finding some 'Wild Rides' on my surfboard in Saim-Hann.

Emperors Faithful wrote:HERESY!

HERESY? HERESY? HERESY!

Is it heresy?




OMG.



It's heresy.

I found this to be one of the more entertaining threads i have in a while. I really liked cheeses bouncing GK terminators screaming heresy reminds me of something off of monty python. EFs commissar really cracked me up with his tutorial on what is heresy also.

you mean, like the space marines??

Far from. They are basically fuelled by hate and zeal.

Pyriel- wrote:

you mean, like the space marines??

Far from. They are basically fuelled by hate and zeal.

You mean like the Space Marines




You know who loves huge fights like this?
*cough**cough*

Ooooh, I can feel the exterminatus threadlockius descending upon this thread think of the children!!!

It can't get locked yet, I was just bringing it back on track.

Khorne would love a huge fight like that. More blood, more skulls.
BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

If I didn't think it would contribute to getting this thread locked, that would be red and at least size 32 font

Emperors Faithful wrote:Wait, you want to remove my Surfboard?

HERESY!


Besides, my Surfboard isn't furry it's sandy. But I can certainly think of some jokes involving me finding some 'Wild Rides' on my surfboard in Saim-Hann.

Not your surf board, the probe. It's for your own good. And don't you dare enjoy it or else I will have to add Slaanesh fanatic to your lengthy list of heresies.

Back on topic though, a team up would get on everyones nerves. The Imperium can't even work together because of their honour. Like in the Lion and the Wolf they would just fight because the other races have unorthodox tactics according to which side you're on.

b
But couldn't the high lords of terra be brought around to the idea of an alliance if bribed by some really really good xenos porn? provided its not slaneeshy that is?

I'm afraid not. The High Lords of Terra are only interested in good, pure, solid, human p0rn, thank you very much.

DerangdFlamingo wrote:b
But couldn't the high lords of terra be brought around to the idea of an alliance if bribed by some really really good xenos porn? provided its not slaneeshy that is?

No. Pure and simple it would never work if it was alien. You would need a whole bunch of porn that don't involve xenos to convince the high lords. Guro for the inquisition, toys for the mech cult, and furry for the SPESS PUPPEHZ. But seriously though now is not the time to discuss the art of porn, it is time for action! We must brain wash EF so that alien porn scares him... And for the hell of it let's make him scared of women to.

CountCross wrote:

No. Pure and simple it would never work if it was alien. You would need a whole bunch of porn that don't involve xenos to convince the high lords. Guro for the inquisition, toys for the mech cult, and furry for the SPESS PUPPEHZ. But seriously though now is not the time to discuss the art of porn, it is time for action! We must brain wash EF so that alien porn scares him... And for the hell of it let's make him scared of women to.

With the right xenos porn both could be achieved in one fell swoop (what? i'm a radical!)

Normally I would ask you to make a list of what porn goes to what human army/faction but that might be a tad off topic. Besides we still haven't dealt with EF's probe. The eldar could be listening in on our conversations right now.

Hmm, you seem all too eager to probe me... >_<

De-Probing actually... Actually once we remove the Eldar prob we might as well replace it with one that makes sure you aren't looking up eldar porn. And just to make sure you don't do it again we will use the servitor with the scaple for a hand.

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CountCross wrote:De-Probing actually... Actually once we remove the Eldar prob we might as well replace it with one that makes sure you aren't looking up eldar porn. And just to make sure you don't do it again we will use the servitor with the scaple for a hand.

Don't you mean the combat servitor with a powerfist?

Maybe later.

Emperors Faithful wrote:

Damn you, damn you, DAMNYOU COMMISARS!

Anyway, to attempt to bring this thread back on topic, whilst an alliance of good races seems unlikely, an alliance of evil races may be possible. I'll explain later.

Nope not gonna happen either. Orks= too unwieldly, Necrons/tyranids = out to kill every one even bad guys, Chaos Marines= just as xenophobic as emperium.

CountCross wrote:Nope not gonna happen either. Orks= too unwieldly, Necrons/tyranids = out to kill every one even bad guys, Chaos Marines= just as xenophobic as emperium.

ahh, but in at least one BL Books, the CSMs were using Orks (by way of a "sacred" ork relic) to attack imperial holdings. Judging off of this, if you had a cunning leader to "band" together all the evil guys, then it could work. Although admittedly, none of the parties would admit that they are in alliance, except for the Cunning Leader..who undoubtedly would be of the Alpha Legion.

If it's dawn of war you speak of, then the orks were planning to backstab the CSMs, but the CSM were expecting it so i'll give you the orks. But what about the other two?

Bait??

im sure that some Chaos god or other has something that Nids, or necrons just cannot resist.... basically Catnip for Nids

the dark eldar would be much easier... just tell them that theyd get to finally rid themselves of their "good" kin, and turn the eldar race fully to their ideals.

Necrons have no needs or desires other than the eradication of life in the galaxy. Bait for the nids though is a good idea, But the tau could also use such a tactic to their advantage, making the use of tyranids, who are basically animals, neutral. As for the Eldar i know next to nothing about them so if what you say is possible, so be it.

I wouldn't call that an Alliance. It seems more like fething the other race over like the Eldar do to the Imperium. Constantly.

Okay, maybe Necrons and 'Nids are out. But Orks and CSM could probably work together (at least, for a short amount of time). Daemons would follow the CSM's, and if it was Emperor's children I can expect Dark Eldar helping out the ride-for their own ends, of coure .

Orks would "work" with csm, but as soon as the fighting starts the otks will attack anything and everything. Then again the allience would most likley give the orks a bunch of new toys to ork up and stick them in strategic points so they won't have to be on the field together.

The only reason orks can even work Any with eachother is because if the WAAAGH!!! Any "allience" could never be anything more than short term. They don't care about winning, they don't care about territory, only fighting, unorky things first, then everything else.

Chaos, due to its very nature, is incapable of long term alliances. In general because, well, their nature is chaos, some sort of change is necessary for all of them. In specific:
Slaaneshi are too selfish
Khornites wat to fight everyone, including themselves
Tzenech wants change, period, and would only be manipulating people in the first place. Alliences are not his thing
And nerglings...Well they are the closes, but I don't think anyone could ally with them, as by their nature, they want everything to stagnate and fall apart. That is not a useful alliance.

Obviously necrons can't ally.

Probably not the tyranids, though If we find out their overminds are especially smart and they met a strong enough foe...maybe? From the information we have right now it doesn't look likely, but we really don't know much about them.

Cheese Elemental wrote:Not all Imperials are evil. The average Guardsman just believes what he's told and there are notable Space Marine individuals/chapters who value the lives of civilians and aren't afraid to fight alongside xenos (such as Space Wolves, Ultramarines, Salamanders and Blood Ravens).

You forget Raven Guard as in the codex it says how Shrike goes where he is most needed by people abandoned by the imperium and ignores requests from lazy planetary governors.

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Orkeosaurus wrote:Tau don't hate Chaos, they don't really know anything about it. They do hate the Imperium, as do the Eldar.

The Tau don't hate the Imperium. They just don't understand why they're so against the existence of other races.

If they did ever start hating them, though, it's because the Elda... Ethereals told them to.

It's all about the "Greater Good" with the Tau they don't understand why humans won't accept it.

Fallanir wrote: After constantly reading about how powerful and enduring evil forces like Chaos, Necrons, Tyrannids, and Orks are supposed to be, I'd really like to see GW come out with an alliance between Eldar, Tau, and Empire. I mean, all three hate Chaos and struggle against it. They all fight Necrons and Tyrannids and Orks. And they're all supposed to be "good". It would be really fulfilling to see these races team up to fight and destroy evil once and for all instead of constantly fighting among themselves and weakening the good forces in the galaxy. Plus, I really like all three, and I think that their armies would work well together in combat to negate each other's weaknesses and bolster each other's strengths.

In fairness; I think this idea can be summed up by me quickly and simply paraphrasing a story from the SW dex.

Great Company on a planet. Great company kicking ass. More bad guys come along, and the eldar give the great company a hand. The Autarch comes to a parlay with the Wolf Lord, to arrange for the dead wolves to be honoured. Minor mistranslation turns into royal killingfest.


Thats why an alliance between the Imperials and Eldar would never really happen apart from when necessity forces them to work together, for example, both are stranded on a planet about to be attacked by nids (hur hur ). For them to feasibly bother with an alliance would mean 1) The Eldar thinking that the younger races can do things right and 2) The imperium of man to have a large propotion of xenophobic nutjobs.

As for the Tau, well, Damocles gulf anyone? IIRC the only reason that the imperium had a peace with the tau after that was because Abaddon decided to go on a drinking tour of Cadia and th erest of the imperium, and hes a mean drunk. An Alliance there is again just pushing the boat out too far considering the 2 sides involved.

Besides, working together wouldnt be GRIMDARK, and we all know what GW thinks of that now....

Of course, the definition of alliance is not as clear as one might think.

"The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend."

But what happens when you're done killing that first enemy of yours...?

I just noticed something in this thread.




If you look at it from a distance those Tau have party hats.

...XD

Too bad they're all filthy xenos...

Emperors Faithful wrote:Of course, the definition of alliance is not as clear as one might think.

"The Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend."

But what happens when you're done killing that first enemy of yours...?

Which is why, for the Imperium has this as its motto

"The enemy of my enemy is a problem for later; but in the meantime might help absorb some casualties"

No. That's Eldar.

This is Imperium.

"The Enemy of my Enemy is, in all likelihood, also my enemy. I've got plenty of fight to go around, so come get some!"

To paraphrase Penny Arcade: "In this setting, the enemy of your enemy is still a floating, greasy, armored brain. And his enemy is a mechanical horror in an undying battle shell. He sails from world to world in a flying tomb, serving gods who eat hope."

There we go.

Or the empiriem could get it's s t together and and make more spess mahreenz, a lot more spess mahrenz, and simply overwhelm their enemies in a tide of awesome bad assery.

Honestly? I think we're doing quite well. Better than that little empire of short people that were eaten by the 'Nids...

The Imperium hating indiscrimantly for 10,000 years thats probly why it wouldnt work, and didnt someone mention HERESY!

Why would orks be evil they want to have fun and blow stuff up i would say they are neutrally bad!

All races can be viewed as good or bad depending on perspective.

Eldar for example, compared to Dark eldar, are very very good.
But in the fluff Eldar have allied with say, the imperium before, overcome a threat, then turned on the imperium. Very very bad (or good? hmm)

Chaos? (Apart from a chaos point of view)
Necrons?
Nids? (Well, they're just hungry)
Dark Eldar (saving thier own skins)

Surely these are to be considered evil?

hurr....

dorkofallorks wrote:Why would orks be evil they want to have fun and blow stuff up i would say they are neutrally bad!

I agree that orks aren't intrinsically evil, and I'm sure lots of us can sympathize with them--we all like big, loud, powerful guns, we like to blow stuff up, we like to burn stuff, we like to drive fast and recklessly. However, they do pose a threat to the Imperium, so they need to be exterminated.

Whilst we sometimes see small scale alliance of convenience the 40k universe is too fractious to have any race-wide meaningful alliances on a galactic level. The tau believe they are the only true and right force for good in the universe, The orks fight for fightings sake, the eldar are still reeling from the cataclysm that nearly wiped them out, dark eldar hate everything ( including themselves ). And various other minor races are out for themselves alone. Whilst the hardliner imperium forces believe the galaxy is for mankind alone whilst you have constant contention with forward thinkers trying to dispel this notion.

In short its an idealistic approach that would likely not work work out even if a glimmer of it starting seemed possible.

Wasn't the whole Eye of Terror campaign a few years back based on the whole idea of the Imperium + Eldar coming together against the Dark Eldar, Orks, Nids, Crons, and Chaos?

Meanwhile, the Tau just snuck a few worlds from the Imperium's cookie jar.

I think the most dangerous threats to the mankind in the 40k universe
are Nids and Orks rather than the ancient Chaos Legions.

orchewer wrote:Wasn't the whole Eye of Terror campaign a few years back based on the whole idea of the Imperium + Eldar coming together against the Dark Eldar, Orks, Nids, Crons, and Chaos?

Meanwhile, the Tau just snuck a few worlds from the Imperium's cookie jar.

Well,for simplicities sake GW divided races into two catagories,( forces of Order and forces of Chaos).
However,certian races on the "disorder" side could only post victories in certian sections of the galaxy,so fluffwise it wasn't so much an "alligence" as it was races taking advantage of the Imperium being over whelmed.
Also,certian key worlds?objectives were in play,Cadia obviously,along with key Eldar objectives,so even the forces of Order were not so much "united" as they were oppertunistic (as the Tau did little more than expand their empire).
On the disorder side,many Ork players(myself included) opted not to ally with Chaos and instead spent the entire campain attacking the Scarus sector under the banner of "The Green Kroozade",at the end of the campain the Orkz had all but taken the entire system,good times.


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OT, Chaos can never be "wiped out"...so long as humanity exist the seed of Chaos exist.

It's like wipeing out "sin"..it can't be done.

orchewer wrote:
Meanwhile, the Tau just snuck a few worlds from the Imperium's cookie jar.

Sigged.