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Post by: Ozymandias
From their newsletter:
Hi There,
At Forge World the Christmas countdown continues and everybody here is busily making sure your orders are getting out on time! This newsletter we have a few sneak previews for you as well as some last minute shipping updates.
Thanks
Alan Bligh
Sneak Peek: Imperial Armour Apocalypse II
Today I have the first preview of our latest book, Imperial Armour Apocalypse II. This is a brand new supplement, featuring no fewer than 46 new datasheets for legendary vehicles and battle formations, bringing together all our recent releases and some brand new models as well. It also features some updated sheets from the first book, hints and tips, optional rules for your games, and five new Apocalypse Missions for you to play. The book is lavishly illustrated with some fantastic colour photographs of our models. This book supplements our first Imperial Armour Apocalypse book, which is still available and should help you get the most out of your Forge World models in your games of Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer 40,000 Apocalypse.
We`ll have full details of the book for you next week, when hopefully the book will also be available to order, but meanwhile Here are a few preview pages.
Special Mystery Preview
With Christmas getting close we thought we`d put together one of our ever-popular mystery jigsaw previews of a forthcoming model for you. You can see the first of our three part preview picture Here. All I can tell you is it’s a new special character for the forthcoming Imperial Armour Volume 8, so you`ll just have to guess what it is! Lookout for more pieces of the jigsaw in our newsletters leading up to Christmas.
Preview looks Orky to me.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Oh definitely, Ozymandias.
Looks like a Big Mek character, which fits with the supposed locale being a Forge World.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Who knows what they'll call it? Big Mek? 'Uge Mek? Mega Mek? It looks like an ork-a-fied servo-harness.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Well, I'm guessing he'll be gigantic just going from the size of the servo-harness alone.
Maybe 'Umongos Mek in 'Uge Platez?
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Post by: Platuan4th
IA:A2 looks like another must buy for me.
Maybe we'll finally get rules and a model for Orkymedes after all his mentions during Armageddon 3.
Thanks, Ozy.
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Post by: Neith
Finally a Witch Hunters datasheet? I don't play them but I can't remember seeing any previous to this.
Seeing as I play primarily Apoc, this is a tempting buy.
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Post by: Sarge
Appears to be an Ork character for me too. Will be neat to have another Big Mek model to use.
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Post by: CaptKaruthors
Sweet. Finally the WH get some decent datasheets.
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Post by: Alpharius
Are the Blood Axes involved in this book?
Looks like a Blood Axe Big Mek Techmarine wanna-be!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Yay for the little puzzle.
Looks like a Mega-Mek Dredd
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Post by: TobyDog
Defiantly a Big Mek of some sort, make a lot of seance if you have seen some of the picts for the boards they built for IA8.
Ork Junk yards...
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Post by: Kanluwen
Up from Big Mek.
He's a 'Uge Mek! Or a 'Umongous Mek!
With 'Uge Plate Armor and a 'Ugantic Choppa!
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Looks like I'll have to increase my Ork budget for next year. Yes, yes it is a separate entry in my personal finances spreadsheet.
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Post by: BrookM
Looks like a really big Mek, or a very deranged mad dok.
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Post by: Empchild
I believe the big mek is already for sale brook on their site. Not sure though off hand, but I agree it's hot!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I wonder if IA2 will be filled with copypasta mistakes, formations with no rules, and other obvious mistakes that would have been fixed with even a single read-through.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
H.B.M.C. wrote:I wonder if IA2 will be filled with copypasta mistakes, formations with no rules, and other obvious mistakes that would have been fixed with even a single read-through.
IAA was truly the pinnacle of incompetent editing. Best one was the 3 structure points on the Remora drone.
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Post by: Pete_scete
As long as this book dosent have any rules that will stop me from collecting a new gaurd armie i really couldnt care less, But saying that i will go and buy it.
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Post by: BrookM
Hmm, for me it really depends on what the new Guard and Ork datasheets are. I'll wait until I see a contents listing instead of a few previews.
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Post by: cygnnus
lord_blackfang wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:I wonder if IA2 will be filled with copypasta mistakes, formations with no rules, and other obvious mistakes that would have been fixed with even a single read-through.
IAA was truly the pinnacle of incompetent editing. Best one was the 3 structure points on the Remora drone.
Wait, what? You mean the Remora's having 3 structure points was a typo? Crud... There goes a bunch of wasted money on FW stuff! 
I kid...
Vale,
JohnS
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
lord_blackfang wrote:IAA was truly the pinnacle of incompetent editing. Best one was the 3 structure points on the Remora drone.
No, the best one was the Kreig Deathrider formation that payed 50 points for... uhh... umm... well... for nothing. They have no rules. None. They are a formation that garners no benefits. It's like Warwick just copypasta'd the format for an Apoc formation, copypasta'd in the pictures, wrote some fluff and then... forgot to add rules.
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Post by: Platuan4th
H.B.M.C. wrote:lord_blackfang wrote:IAA was truly the pinnacle of incompetent editing. Best one was the 3 structure points on the Remora drone.
No, the best one was the Kreig Deathrider formation that payed 50 points for... uhh... umm... well... for nothing. They have no rules. None. They are a formation that garners no benefits. It's like Warwick just copypasta'd the format for an Apoc formation, copypasta'd in the pictures, wrote some fluff and then... forgot to add rules.
They pay 50 points to become a single choice for Strategic Reserves.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Platuan4th wrote:They pay 50 points to become a single choice for Strategic Reserves.
Yeah, you keep tellin' yourself that.
It would also make them the only formation out of all the Apoc formations that paid for that rule alone, whereas all the rest got some sort of rule.
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Post by: Platuan4th
H.B.M.C. wrote:Platuan4th wrote:They pay 50 points to become a single choice for Strategic Reserves.
Yeah, you keep tellin' yourself that.
It would also make them the only formation out of all the Apoc formations that paid for that rule alone, whereas all the rest got some sort of rule.
But it doesn't change the fact that that 50 points does indeed do it. I'm not saying they didn't forget extra rules(my post was mostly being facetious, but internet and tone and all that).
That said, I'd never use it(if I had more than 11 RRs between my various IG/ LatD armies), especially since GW's RR formation on their site actually has a reason to exist.
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Post by: The Power Cosmic
When I saw it, my first thought was Orkimedes.
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Post by: Panic
yeah,
My first thought was fragile!
Panic...
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Post by: jackvolerich
Whatever it is it looks orky.
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Post by: thesilverback
More Ork stuff so its a must have here.
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Post by: sirisaacnuton
So does anyone know if this IAA2 (or the IA8 that I've heard is coming soon) will have the Daemon Lord rules for the new Lord of Change? I've read a rumor thread somewhere where a guy claims to have seen an early copy of the rules, but I have no idea where it was allegedly seen.
I'd love to be able to figure out which book that might show up in, so as to know when its rules may be released.
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Post by: Scottywan82
When is that Dreadnought Droppod coming out? That thing looks sweet!
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Post by: BrookM
Scottywan82 wrote:When is that Dreadnought Droppod coming out? That thing looks sweet!
http://www.forgeworld.co. uk/dreaddrop.htm
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Post by: Cosmic
Scottywan82 wrote:When is that Dreadnought Droppod coming out? That thing looks sweet!
Think about what BrookM wrote... That exact one already exists! Here's what I wrote on BoLS... I wrote:Did anyone notice the "Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod?"
Let's think about this. Firstly, as soon as the new plastic Baneblade came out, the old resin FW one became a "Lucius Pattern" Baneblade. Does this mean that we could see a plastic Dreadnought-sized drop pod released by GW?
*Checking to see whether the "Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod" looks any different from the existing FW Dreadnought Drop Pod...*
...And I have checked - It's the same thing that FW already has!
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Post by: Ozymandias
It might be just to differentiate it from the regular GW drop pod and give it different rules. You may be completely right though I just think it's not likely.
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Post by: BrookM
Cosmic wrote:Let's think about this. Firstly, as soon as the new plastic Baneblade came out, the old resin FW one became a "Lucius Pattern" Baneblade. Does this mean that we could see a plastic Dreadnought-sized drop pod released by GW?
The Mars and Lucius pattern Baneblades existed long before the plastic variant was released.
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Post by: Shep
Yeah it already exists, and it already has different rules than a regular drop pod.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/pdf/IA2Update28Aug.pdf
50 points buys you a drop pod with an assault ramp! (assault the turn it arrives)
best 15 points you can spend in an imperial armor allowed game.
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Post by: Ozymandias
I didn't know the rules but that's pretty awesome, borderline too awesome.
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Post by: Savnock
Shep wrote:Yeah it already exists, and it already has different rules than a regular drop pod.
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/pdf/IA2Update28Aug.pdf
50 points buys you a drop pod with an assault ramp! (assault the turn it arrives)
best 15 points you can spend in an imperial armor allowed game.
Think that might have an effect on Adepticon Ironclad lists?
I guess 'Nids with MCs out the yinyang might make dread drop a bad idea for a tourney, but for all other opponents that could be baaaaaad news.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Cosmic wrote:Scottywan82 wrote:When is that Dreadnought Droppod coming out? That thing looks sweet!
Think about what BrookM wrote... That exact one already exists! Here's what I wrote on BoLS...
I wrote:Did anyone notice the "Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod?"
Let's think about this. Firstly, as soon as the new plastic Baneblade came out, the old resin FW one became a "Lucius Pattern" Baneblade. Does this mean that we could see a plastic Dreadnought-sized drop pod released by GW?
*Checking to see whether the "Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod" looks any different from the existing FW Dreadnought Drop Pod...*
...And I have checked - It's the same thing that FW already has!
Actually, I just didn't realize the existing one had three doors. I've only ever seen it with one down. Cool.
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Post by: Warlord Imp
No sign of Tau since the Taros Campaign.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Warlord Imp wrote:No sign of Tau since the Taros Campaign.
Except that one suit they released a month, two months ago...
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Post by: Kanluwen
Warlord Imp wrote:No sign of Tau since the Taros Campaign.
Other than the Remora Drones and the Hazard suit?
Sheesh. Whiners.
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Post by: Ozymandias
Still no love for Dark Eldar since... wait...
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Post by: Kanluwen
*shakes fist at Ozy*
Don't make me hurl a Raven at you!
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Post by: reds8n
Ozymandias wrote:Still no love for Dark Eldar since... wait...
With regards to the Xenos races they don't generally do things for them until their codex has been updated....
Hmm... so.. sometime in 2011 we should see a FW book featuring Tau from the models we've been shown....
...hmm....
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Post by: Kanluwen
And not even that anymore, reds8n. It seems they're moving towards incorporating any and all Xenos races at one point or another into an IA campaign and adding in new material that way, while also filling in gaps in the range.
I like that idea far, far more than when it was just random releases.
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Post by: reds8n
...perhaps.
I'd take the hint though if I was you. 
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Post by: Kanluwen
About more Tau?
I doubt it 
Far as I'm aware, if they do a revised Tau campaign--it'll be a much smaller affair than Taros.
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Post by: Platuan4th
reds8n wrote:...perhaps.
I'd take the hint though if I was you.
Are you hinting Tau codex in 2011?
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Post by: BrookM
I'd prefer the Imperium winning more and losing less in the IA books. Here's hoping that IA 10 - "Kill those fething blue skins" rights the wrong of IA 3 - "bad sentences everywhere".
But oy vey, Tau in 2011? Eh, I guess they have it coming.
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Post by: Ozymandias
I don't know if hinting is the right word. Beating us across the face with it maybe...
2011 seems about right for Tau. 2010 is set with Tyranids, Blood Angels, Necrons/Dark Eldar, and maybe one more so 2011 for Tau seems about right.
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Post by: Kirasu
Maybe this time they'll have respect for their customers and NOT have a typing error every 3 pages and rules that make absolutely no sense in the current or older rulesets :p
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Kirasu wrote:Maybe this time they'll have respect for their customers and NOT have a typing error every 3 pages
Only every 3 pages? You must've missed most of them
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Post by: Agamemnon2
BrookM wrote:I'd prefer the Imperium winning more and losing less in the IA books. Here's hoping that IA 10 - "Kill those fething blue skins" rights the wrong of IA 3 - "bad sentences everywhere".
I'm still surprised Vraks didn't end in Exterminatus, just indefinitely quarantined.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
BrookM wrote:I'd prefer the Imperium winning more and losing less in the IA books. Here's hoping that IA 10 - "Kill those fething blue skins" rights the wrong of IA 3 - "bad sentences everywhere".
I especially liked the out-of-no-where Deus Ex Machina-Pattern Tigershark that appeared to kill a Titan, and then was never seen again. The plot in that book was a farce. Nothing went well for the Imperium - nothing.
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Post by: Kanluwen
H.B.M.C. wrote:BrookM wrote:I'd prefer the Imperium winning more and losing less in the IA books. Here's hoping that IA 10 - "Kill those fething blue skins" rights the wrong of IA 3 - "bad sentences everywhere".
I especially liked the out-of-no-where Deus Ex Machina-Pattern Tigershark that appeared to kill a Titan, and then was never seen again. The plot in that book was a farce. Nothing went well for the Imperium - nothing.
Yeah, but the Tau are one of the biggest customers from Deus Ex Machina Inc.
We've had Tau tech developed for fighting Orks(special suit kit), we've had Tau suddenly able to do all kindsa wacky things.
Personally?
It's always seemed that the Tigershark variant for killing Titans is a definite "Tau" item. It's completely useless for anything but killing Titans, but hey. Who cares!
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Post by: Alpharius
Platuan4th wrote:reds8n wrote:...perhaps.
I'd take the hint though if I was you.
Are you hinting Tau codex in 2011?
If the Codex has to be updated first, maybe this means Tau sometime late in 2010?
BrookM wrote:I'd prefer the Imperium winning more and losing less in the IA books. Here's hoping that IA 10 - "Kill those fething blue skins" rights the wrong of IA 3 - "bad sentences everywhere".
As a serious Tau hater, I'd like this very much...
And the opening salvo in that battle should be the destruction of a certain Tigershark.
Possibly through massed lasgun fire...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Alpharius wrote:As a serious Tau hater, I'd like this very much...
So we do have a lot in common.
Damned blue-skinned freaks...
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
If Tau are 2011, does that mean Necrons are also 2011?
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Post by: Ozymandias
Next Preview pic up:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/previewbg1.htm
 Automatically Appended Next Post: I'll let someone with more time and skill than me to combine the two pics.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Oh. It's just a boring Mek.
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Post by: Platuan4th
I need to see the 3rd Shot, but I think I might get this one for my KFF Mek.
I do so hope that this is Orkimedes.
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Post by: Teek
I'm chomping at the bit, already moving models around the display case to make a space for him.
Can't wait to see what else they've got coming!
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Post by: Gitzbitah
Nice, Breotan! I'm usually thrilled to see new Orks, but this is pretty bland by Forgeworld standards. I hope he has some new scavenging rules, or something special. So far its just another Mek.
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Post by: Elusive71
 I think it's an ork!
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Post by: Fateweaver
It's a member of the Tau Air caste disguised as an Ork.
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Post by: reds8n
Quote Imperial Armour Apocalypse II Available Now!
Imperial Armour Apocalypse II is available to order now for immediate dispatch, and while we can`t guarantee it for Christmas arrival, we will do our best to get it out to you as soon as possible. As we are up to date with orders and working hard right up to Christmas itself, there’s an excellent chance we can get it in your hands before the holiday season is over if you order using our Express Delivery option.
Imperial Armour Apocalypse II is a 112 page, full-colour hardback which provides comprehensive and updated descriptions, background and rules for using all of Forge World`s recent models in your games of Warhammer 40,000 and Warhammer 40,000 Apocalypse.
The book is packed with over fifty new Apocalypse datasheets accompanied by lavish photographs, ranging from legendary units like the mighty Reaver Battle Titan to the Daemon Lord Aetaos`rau`keres —Tzeentch`s Slayer of Souls. Included are new Forge World units such as the advanced Tau XV-9 Close Support Armour and the Lucius Pattern Dreadnought Drop Pod, new Apocalypse battle formations such as the savage Ork Mega-Rippa Krew and the lethal Eldar Death Web, and a few updated and unpublished datasheets as well. Also featured are an updated Apocalypse rules appendix, a unit index and some new optional Apocalypse rules and five new missions to play!
You can see some page spreads and a full contents page for the book Here or can flick through some pages Here.
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Mystery Preview: Part 2
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/apocflip.htm
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/acatalog/QUATERMASTERS_STORE_IMPERIAL_ARMOUR_BOOKS_12.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/previewbg1.htm
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Hm, at £20, I might purchase this one for the Valdor and Minotaur rules, sucky as I know they must be. Also there's new Apocalypse missions there, which is nice.
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Post by: Platuan4th
I was already going to be getting it, but new missions means it will be purchased earlier.
Maybe someone will have a copy for sale at Adepticon...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
*adds one more item to next year's FW order*
IA7
IA8
IAAII
Arvus Lighter
Chaplain Dread
Venerable Dread
Black Templar Dread
Ultramarines Dread
Arms for said Dreads.
Plague Hulk
IA8 is coming out early next year, right?
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Post by: Kanluwen
I think March. So early-ish.
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Post by: LunaHound
H.B.M.C. wrote:*adds one more item to next year's FW order*
IA7
IA8
IAAII
Arvus Lighter
Chaplain Dread
Venerable Dread
Black Templar Dread
Ultramarines Dread
Arms for said Dreads.
Plague Hulk
IA8 is coming out early next year, right?
Are the resin poles on the Dreads durable?
i have been thinking of getting the ultra marine one with giant tyranid warrior dead body on the pole.
but im not a fan of repairing minis.
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Post by: Kanluwen
It's resin Luna...it's fairly strong, provided you reinforce it securely with a brass pin.
If worst comes to worst, just snip it off and replace it with a rod made from scratch.
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Post by: Platuan4th
LunaHound wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:*adds one more item to next year's FW order*
IA7
IA8
IAAII
Arvus Lighter
Chaplain Dread
Venerable Dread
Black Templar Dread
Ultramarines Dread
Arms for said Dreads.
Plague Hulk
IA8 is coming out early next year, right?
Are the resin poles on the Dreads durable? i have been thinking of getting the ultra marine one with giant tyranid warrior dead body on the pole.
I traveled with the BT Dread cross country(with it assembled and wrapped only in tissue in the original bag) after I purchased, assembled, and magnetized it for a friend. No breakage problems.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Someone on Warseer pointed out that in the sample page spreads, Mamon's cost appears to be 450 points, which is a raise of something like 200+ points from what he cost in IAV7. Either they redid the rules completely, it's a placeholder text, or it's a ridiculously obvious typo.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Warwick probably doesn't know what the price should be.
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Post by: Kanluwen
That IS weird.
Maybe the point cost is including his Herald?
He goes from 185 points...to 450?
Or maybe Mamon was just undercosted in the Vraks campaign book for some obscure fluff reason?
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Post by: beef
More Ork stuff, just waht we needed, Meh
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Post by: Kanluwen
Jeez you people complain about Orks alot.
This is the first Imperial Armour campaign book featuring Orks as the adversary. The releases are tied to that.
And if you're having this much of a problem with ORK releases...
Wait until the Elysian and Raven Guard releases!
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Post by: InquisitorFabius
Mamon has no stat changes that I can see. just a very inflated points cost. Truth be told, his stats are very close to a Bio-titan, so maybe the adjustment is from that perspective.
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Post by: LunaHound
K , since FW dreds dont come with arms ,
what are good weapons to get?
Does anyone else think the dred arms arnt as detailed looking as the main body?
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Post by: InquisitorFabius
They aren't, but its also they match more dreads.
For a chaplain dread, DCCW and prob TL HB or Plas cannon.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Well, plus they're just arms...
I mean, how ornate can you make a set of dreadnaught arms? At what point do you start thinking "Maybe the arm being thirty pounds of pure killing(with an extra hundred of skulls and purity seals!) machinery is a great idea!"?
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Post by: LunaHound
Its not a great deal , but its nice for aesthetic reasons , a "balance" if you will.
Now i have no interest in getting into debate to what i think looks good or not. Ty
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Post by: Kanluwen
That's why they sell the brass etch parts and the icon packs, Luna. Most of them will fit right onto the dread weapon arms' few bits of open space.
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Post by: LunaHound
Kanluwen wrote:That's why they sell the brass etch parts and the icon packs, Luna. Most of them will fit right onto the dread weapon arms' few bits of open space.
Do i just snip them off and attach them same way "bits" work?
I found these it says " Ultramarines icons are great for customising your Ultramarines force, especially Dreadnoughts and other vehicles "
Where on the dred does these fit on?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Yuppers. There'd be some wastage if you're buying them just for one Dreadnaught, but if you're planning on buying a whole army it'd give you some leftovers to use for Honor Guard squads, Rhinos, Land Raiders, etc.
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Post by: Superscope
Hopefuly the book comes with the added weapon options for the XV9's. I heard many rumors of the XV9 weapon systems other than the burst cannon variant. Automatically Appended Next Post: Hello!!!.. i can ALSO figure out what the pages say about the XV9!
other than the standard burst cannons we have....
Phased ion-gun - 18" str 4 ap 4 assault 4 rending
Fusion Cascade - 18" str 8 ap 1 assault 2... or 11, can't make it out... oh.. and melta 
Plusar Submissions Rifle - 24" str 3 ap 6 assault 1 Large blast, plus one other effect.. can't make it out clearly
For the costs of the extra weapons.. it looks like it's around 10 to 20 points between.. i'm sorry i just can't make out the numbers.
Also take a look at the Tau Broadside Destuctor phalanx. Check the commander of the 6 broadsides... A new infantry model perhaps? Looks like a fire warrior tried to eat a stealth suit.
Automatically Appended Next Post: For those to lazy to look. I've cut out a picture and photoshoped a few notes for us to take a peak at (sorry for the extremely bad quaility.. it's all FW has to give us)
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Post by: Kanluwen
...Really?
REALLY?
It's the XV-89. It's not difficult to see that, at all. It's just posed in a crouch(which actually isn't hard to do at all with the suits.)
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Post by: Warboss Narznok
Is this XV-89 tau??? The model in the faded picture doesn't look like tau.
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Post by: Warboss Narznok
Oops double, clicked it once though oh well. I won't spoil this post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RddPIqzEzpo
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Post by: Kanluwen
That's the XV-89.
It's on the Forge World site under Battlesuits & Drones.
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Post by: Warboss Narznok
So it's no new release. Too bad for tau players
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Post by: Kanluwen
...Except there is a new release for Tau...
The XV-9 'Hazard' Close Support Suit is the new release, and on the same page as the Broadside Destructor Phalanx.
And there's no real reason for a Tau release. Not in IA8, not a revised codex, etc. I'm surprised as it is that the Hazard came out.
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Post by: Dysartes
FW do have a habit of randomly doing Battlesuit variants, though.
Interesting that the book mentions new weapon loadouts for the XV-9 without the models having been released yet.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Yeah, but how difficult would it be to modify the weapons for the XV-89?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Just a quick post:
I was on the phone with Forge World today, inquiring as to IA8. But, I did get an answer as to why Mamon's points cost is different in IA: Apocalypse II.
The reasoning was that Mamon was cheaper in Vraks due to an oversight where he was supposed to have two points costs.
One for general, common usage and the other for the scenarios from the book where he was involved.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Kanluwen wrote:The reasoning was that Mamon was cheaper in Vraks due to an oversight where he was supposed to have two points costs.
One for general, common usage and the other for the scenarios from the book where he was involved.
That's stupid.
A model is worth what a model is worth. They don't change depending on the scenario.
FW are worse at writing rules than GW is, and that's saying something.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Yeah. Apparently it was for a scenario that got dropped when they did the finalized storyline. It was to be Mamon, Scabeiathrax, Jibberjaw, and a veritable tide of Plague Zombies facing off against what was to be a Krieg firebase.
The scenario was intended to be something like seven rounds, and on par with an Apocalypse match.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Blah, and I forgot to state that it the point costs for ALL of the Daemonic forces was supposed to be lowered if the Chaos player had won a playing of "Stop the Ritual" from the Daemonhunters book.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
So, what? Mamon will be a 450-point Monstrous Creature? What the hell? Is Forge World high, stupid or both?
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Post by: Kanluwen
I'm gonna go with "fluffy".
It sounds so much better than overcosted.
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Post by: lord_blackfang
Agamemnon2 wrote:So, what? Mamon will be a 450-point Monstrous Creature? What the hell? Is Forge World high, stupid or both?
Resin fumes, man.
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Post by: Breotan
H.B.M.C. wrote:A model is worth what a model is worth. They don't change depending on the scenario.
Actually this kind of thinking has been around GW for awhile now. Jervis was a big fan of it while working on Epic Armageddon.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Well, conceivably, by adjusting points values up and down you'd end up adjusting the difficulty level of a game using that armylist. Giving the Renegades cheap Mamon would make the game much harder for the Daemonhunters/Guard players.
I'm puzzled by this because Mamon isn't uber-impressive. What are his selling points? FnP, SnP and a Bane Wolf cannon on one arm? The closest comparison is probably Ku'Gath, who's a beefy 300 points with a similar statline. Is Mamon worth an extra 150 points on top of that? On the other hand, looking at him as he is in IAV7 next to Ku'Gath, the points costs don't seem quite at parity there either.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Why did it happen Aggy?
Because of the simple fact that you put more thought into that paragraph above than Warwick did into writing Mamon's rules.
If FW spent as much time writing rules as you did constructing that very simple post above, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
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Post by: Erasoketa
LunaHound wrote:I found these it says " Ultramarines icons are great for customising your Ultramarines force, especially Dreadnoughts and other vehicles "
Where on the dred does these fit on?
Aren't that icons supposed to be cut? So you have 12 icons there, not 3 huge ones. They fit anywhere.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
This just in: People on Warseer with copies of IAA2 claim Mamon's cost is, in fact 185 points, the same it was in IAV7. I think considering his stats, this is not a bad price point.
EDIT: the new FW newsletter says the same.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
Buzzgob is a nice miniature, not an OMGNICE one, but maybe on par with Hector Rex + Retinue. The two dreadnoughts are impressive sculpts, as is true for most of FW's dreadnought range. On the minus side, the Wolves one kinda feels like it'd need custom arms to look right, the stock ones' shoulders are a bit plain compared to the torso plate.
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Post by: RogueMarket
The wolves one is SICK with it! haha yeah maybe needs custom arms.
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Post by: InquisitorFabius
Arms are a definite need for the SW Dread. Still going to have me ordering one.
I am also glad that Mamon is just 185, he is going in my Daemons army.
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Post by: Breotan
I'm a little disappointed in the dead space on the Ravenguard dread. And the top of that banner pole is... unfortunate.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Hmm... just noticed that.
Unfortunate is an understatement.
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Post by: Kanluwen
What's unfortunate about it?
It's a Marine battle honor, last I remember.
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Post by: Alpharius
Kanluwen wrote:What's unfortunate about it?
It's a Marine battle honor, last I remember.
Have to agree, looks good to me!
I'm ordering one as soon as they're available, as I'm not sure I trust a FW pre-order this far in advance.
Unless someone can convince me otherwise that it would be OK/the smart thing to do?
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Post by: The Dreadnote
Breotan wrote:And the top of that banner pole is... unfortunate.
...I'm not seeing whatever it is. Anyone care to elaborate?
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Post by: BrookM
The Dreadnote wrote:Breotan wrote:And the top of that banner pole is... unfortunate.
...I'm not seeing whatever it is. Anyone care to elaborate?
Probably too bland, too Ultra like or too festooned with avian skulls.
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Post by: Alpharius
BrookM wrote:The Dreadnote wrote:Breotan wrote:And the top of that banner pole is... unfortunate.
...I'm not seeing whatever it is. Anyone care to elaborate?
Probably too bland, too Ultra like or too festooned with avian skulls.
It is, quite happily, none of those things.
Still, it wouldn't be normal if some hate wasn't sprinkled on it, even if just a little bit...
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Post by: BrookM
Alpharius wrote:BrookM wrote:The Dreadnote wrote:Breotan wrote:And the top of that banner pole is... unfortunate.
...I'm not seeing whatever it is. Anyone care to elaborate?
Probably too bland, too Ultra like or too festooned with avian skulls.
It is, quite happily, none of those things.
Still, it wouldn't be normal if some hate wasn't sprinkled on it, even if just a little bit...
Indeed, this is Dakka and hate must be spread somehow.
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Post by: Brother Bartius
I've had a bad experience with the resin banner poles on the dreads.
I've got a forgeworld BT dread (which I still haven't built) and the banner pole has snapped just below the skeletons feet. Lucky for me the main part and the base that the skeleton stands on are still together so I'll pin it there.
I wouldn't recommend their durability though.
On another note, I'd agree that the FW arms don't do it justice so I picked up a set of GW venerable arms for it instead. they have way more detail.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Thin resin is always snappy, snappy.
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Post by: Breotan
BrookM wrote:Alpharius wrote:BrookM wrote:The Dreadnote wrote:Breotan wrote:And the top of that banner pole is... unfortunate.
...I'm not seeing whatever it is. Anyone care to elaborate?
Probably too bland, too Ultra like or too festooned with avian skulls.
It is, quite happily, none of those things.
Still, it wouldn't be normal if some hate wasn't sprinkled on it, even if just a little bit...
Indeed, this is Dakka and hate must be spread somehow.
This is why I called it unfortunate. I don't think they were trying for this.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Yeah, and if you look close enough...there's a Steel Legion figure giving the Nazi salute!
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Post by: Klawz
Kanluwen wrote:Yeah, and if you look close enough...there's a Steel Legion figure giving the Nazi salute!
I see it! I see it! It's right next to the midget Elvis making out with alien Bigfoot riding the Loch Ness Manbearpig!
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
@Breotan: How on earth are you making that connection?
It's not even close in form or layering.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I saw it as well.
It's not exact, but it's close.
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Post by: Agamemnon2
BrookM wrote:Indeed, this is Dakka and hate must be spread somehow.
I'm in favor of the direct approach. I hate you all and hope you die in a freak lacemaking accident aboard a luxury liner bound for New York.
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Post by: dogma
Reminiscent is a better word. Most of the distinctive elements are there (wings, German symbol, and wreath), but they aren't arrayed in the same fashion.
It didn't make me envision Nazis from the get-go, but I can see how it could do that for some.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
dogma wrote:It didn't make me envision Nazis from the get-go, but I can see how it could do that for some.
I agree. And I think that's what Breotan was getting at as well when he said it was "unfortunate" as opposed to it being " ZOMG! Teh Nazis!!!!!!1".
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Post by: BrookM
I can't look at that model again normally now. 
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Post by: dogma
I mean, I've always associated the Imperium with Nazism, so it isn't really a big deal in my mind.
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Post by: warboss
anyone gotten their IA apoc II book yet? can you confirm if the punisher armed vulture is twin linked or armed with two punisher guns?
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Post by: BrookM
It's twin-linked, just check the IA1 update found on the FW site.
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Post by: warboss
BrookM wrote:It's twin-linked, just check the IA1 update found on the FW site.
cool, thanks and downloaded now. i don't think i'd want the dual punisher option if i can have 4(!!) large blast templates that are defensive weapons instead for the same price.
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Post by: Napalm
The thing about the banner is that all the elements outside of the swastika in the middle the Nazis ripped off of the Romans. You could just as easily associate it with one or the other.
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Post by: BrookM
Only the nazis, may they all burn in hell with their little corporal, have misused such devices for their own use and stigmatised them beyond redemption.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
That's totally why the Bundeswehr still uses the eagle and the Iron Cross then? Because they are beyond redemption?
To be on topic I rather like the Space Wolf Dread and the Raven Guard one as well, my only issue with the RG Dread is the empty space above the wings, and for the wolf dread, the lack of Wolfy arms to go with it.
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Post by: 1hadhq
BrotherStynier wrote:That's totally why the Bundeswehr still uses the eagle and the Iron Cross then? Because they are beyond redemption?
 WHAT?
Hope this wasnt serious.... 
Sorry , ancient symbols cant be pirated by the insane forever. And there is exactly none of the imagined reference at
these FW models.
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Post by: VictorVonTzeentch
It was an attempt at sarcasm 1hadhq.
The Bundeswehr does still use the Eagle and Iron Cross, maybe not the eagle as much, I know the Fallschirmjager still use it on their beret badge, but for the most part the Cross is on everything. If they were irrevocably damaged by the Nazis I would assume the German Government would have not used those to symbols.
I would have to agree with your last statement, symbols can't be tarnished for ever, and the Raven Guard Dread has no reference to the Nazis.
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Post by: 1hadhq
ok.
So back to the real topic:
Apoc II and the sneak peek.
The raven guard may get its coverage in imperial armor 8.
Where do the wolves come into play? Just single models for the codex?
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Post by: BrookM
The Woof Dread is probably a late codex release. IA8 only features orks against Elysians and Raven Guard.
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Post by: Dysartes
It occurs to me that we don't necessarily need arms specifically for the Wolf Dread, just some Runic strips you could use to edge the current Mk IV arms.....
Anyone any good with a brass etcher?
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Post by: Qiqel
H.B.M.C. wrote:dogma wrote:It didn't make me envision Nazis from the get-go, but I can see how it could do that for some.
I agree. And I think that's what Breotan was getting at as well when he said it was "unfortunate" as opposed to it being " ZOMG! Teh Nazis!!!!!!1".
Frankly speaking, entire Imperium gives out these vibes and Space Marines iconography even more than others. SS, after all, also had an inner circle organized akin to religious order, didn't it?.
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrookM wrote:The Woof Dread is probably a late codex release. IA8 only features orks against Elysians and Raven Guard.
The Space Wolf codex is still relatively new. This is about the same timeframe it was between the Ork codex and the releases for the Battlewagons.
We've still got Thunderwolf Cavalry, at the very least, in the cards from FW.
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Post by: reds8n
Having spoken to FW there is, in the UK anyway, about a 10-14 day waiting period for this book at the moment. They'll try and get them out earlier but this is further delayed by the wonders of the British postal service and time of year and so on.
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Post by: Sheck2
Got it - happy with it. Very few relevations (if any as I could not find any) if you own the Vrak series and have downloaded pdfs of new models and formation datasheets.
If you do not have the Vrak series and do not keep abreast...great compilation of everything FW.
Also - the 10 pages of optional rules, force selections, assets, and scenarios is great.
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Post by: CT GAMER
BrookM wrote:I can't look at that model again normally now.
Anyone who has played, collected or observed GW miniatures for 40K for more then ten minutes should already recognize that GW and the Nazi party had the same source of inspiration when it came to such things: Ancient Rome.
Is it really shocking that the two might have similar aesthetics in some way?
Both of them look "Roman". That design is not a "Nazi" look per se, it's origins go back many hundreds of years prior to Hitler's team adopting it...
Seriously. read some history books and get over it people...
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Post by: CadianXV
Sheck2 wrote:Got it - happy with it. Very few relevations (if any as I could not find any) if you own the Vrak series and have downloaded pdfs of new models and formation datasheets.
If you do not have the Vrak series and do not keep abreast...great compilation of everything FW.
Also - the 10 pages of optional rules, force selections, assets, and scenarios is great.
Could you reveal whether there is more than just one Witch Hunters Datasheet?
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Post by: Anung Un Rama
Love that Big Mek. 
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Post by: Alpharius
CT GAMER wrote:BrookM wrote:I can't look at that model again normally now.
Anyone who has played, collected or observed GW miniatures for 40K for more then ten minutes should already recognize that GW and the Nazi party had the same source of inspiration when it came to such things: Ancient Rome.
Is it really shocking that the two might have similar aesthetics in some way?
Both of them look "Roman". That design is not a "Nazi" look per se, it's origins go back many hundreds of years prior to Hitler's team adopting it...
Seriously. read some history books and get over it people...
While I certainly agree with you (Ancient and Medieval history Major/Classics Minor here!), sadly, in many people's mind, the 'most recent one' wins.
Still, as you said, education is the key!
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Post by: BrookM
I am not ignorant. However, recent history has done its things.
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Post by: reds8n
Swiped from Warseer, thanks to Mr. Zanzibartehfirst for this helpful summary
Heres a little review of all the datasheets:
Imperial Guard.
Annihalator is only 130pts
Minotaur gets struck on the weakest armour
Baneblade variants same as GW datasheets (which have dried up now)
Hades breaching drill is an elite option though doesnt take up an FOC slot
Hell raker battery: 3 minotaurs and a baneblade; big firepower
castellan sentry gun defense force, can change fire mode,
Imperial Navy
Carrion Claw; s5 ap3 apoc barrage attack, imagine A10 thunderbolts attacking in unison
SM
Chaplain dread can take flamestorm cannon
City breaker squadron, land raiders that can fire pintle weapons twice, reroll terrain tests and can reroll pen hits against a selected building
Iron cyclone; dreads in pods with deathstorm. cluster bombs, then deathstorms and then dreadnaughts in pods, very cool
Thunderhawek interdictor, tempests are flyers
Imperium
Chorus of Faith, Exorcists with 2d6 missiles, cannot fire next turn
Convocation of wrath, +1 S to flamer weapons
Orks
Junka has all the cool mek gear, turbo engines similar to BA
Big Trakk, reroll terrain tests at combat speed. Lots of weapon options
Kustom Battle Fortress, can take up to 3 supa weapons and 4 pintle wepaons
Mega rippa crew, rerolol pen hits against big things, waagh!!!
Eldar
CobraDestroyer that ignores all types of shields
Death web, s6 ap- barrage, dangerous terrain test next turn
Raiding force, missiles change to s4 ap 5ignore cover, reroll shuriken cannon against infantry
Tau
Hazard has new wepaons, ion gun, assault 4 rending, fusion cascade, d3 melta, pulse submunitions rifle, 5"blast, Same rules
Broadside phalanx, reroll pen hits on nominated target
protector wing, Hazards and their dedicated and modifed orca, has a 5++ save
Chaos
Aetaos'Rau'Keres, reflect pyschic powers, d6+3 horrors, upgraded daemonic gifts, summon power of staff and call a massive barrage that ignores cover saves. Will try and destory dameon lrods etc...
Blood Slaughter, impaler is a short range missile launcher hits on a 4+ now and if it penetrates or wounds an MC it gets dragged 2d6
Mamons get improves poison of plaguebearers, can destory an objective
Urake's Headhunters force a pinnig test on everyone and can mark an IC etc... for destruction and it counts as an objective if killed
plague ogryns are more expensive and have SaP. Can eb taken in a Nurgle CSM army
Covenant of corruption, leader spawn has a 4++ save and each model killed by anythign in the fomraiton may come back as a spawn
Lament of the damned are real slaanesh dreads that can be used in normal 40k for appropriate points
Anything missed is because its stayed the same as previously updated. I hope I havent broke any copyright laws here. This should stop people asking questions for rules and stats
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Post by: Boss Salvage
Lament of the damned are real slaanesh dreads that can be used in normal 40k for appropriate points
Say what?
We talking about the blastmasters on a couple of my dreads turning back on???
- Salvage
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Post by: BrookM
Does the Hades allow for units to move from the exit hole like in IA6 or has it been turned into a really useless gadget now?
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Post by: Platuan4th
About time they made the Tempest a Flier.
It's fluff keeps mention it being such, but was always stuck as a Skimmer rules-wise.
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Post by: Neconilis
dogma wrote:I mean, I've always associated the Imperium with Nazism, so it isn't really a big deal in my mind.
Exactly. You mean our fictional super fascist galactic space empire has elements of national socialism in it? Get out?!?!?!
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Post by: Reecius
Must get this book.
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Post by: daedalusaf
Ork Mek Boss Buzzgob...is he in the book? Is there anything there about him?
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Post by: reds8n
No he isn't, I believe he's scheduled for inclusion in the next Imperial Armour book. 8 is it ? Will feature the Raven Guard and, believe it or not, Imperial guard.
This one is a nice book though, I've only skimmed through it so far, but the apocalypse scenarios and advice included as well are quite handy, even if some of the table sizes suggested are perhaps a bit optimistic perhaps.
The rules for the previously featured creatures and tanks -- especially the demons -- are a lot better. i still think perhaps that soem of the tanks are a bit overpriced but FW always seem to do that.
There is indeed a formation that allows Slaanesh dreads to swap their heavy bolters for sonic blasters or autocannosn for blastmasters.
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Post by: Alpharius
reds8n wrote:
There is indeed a formation that allows Slaanesh dreads to swap their heavy bolters for sonic blasters or autocannosn for blastmasters.
Finally!
That took long enough though, didn't it?
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