phantommaster wrote:

Gorechild wrote:
make avatars immune to instant death

They are, T6

Some weapons, powers, CC atacks have a special ability or rule that 'causes instant death regardless of toughness' so its not quite immune.

Damn, it's all in the quote. Sorry

Oh, just noticed. Number9dream, Boom Box is a better name.

Hi all.
I would convert them to be used with Stargrunt II, and enjoy actualy playing the game , rather than writing endless lists!

how about "Da Front Fender!"

I guess that would break the fourth wall a bit huh?

IG:
-Make Ogryns worth my points.
-Cheapen Stormtroopers a little. I know they can wipe the floor with Space Marines if they surprise them, but they're still too pricey to be super competitive.
-Let me take stubbers on my Valkryie, make them cheap and give me a rule that lets me use them without slowing down.
-Give me Sniper Squads that ain't Ratlings. I'd take a Special Weapon Squad where you have the option to purchase Camo Cloaks and +1WS with sniper rifles. Veterans let you do that too, but at the cost of dragging along a sergeant and 6 more men with lasguns.
-Sell more Servitor minis to go with my techpriest.
-Sell expansion packs for the lovely modular Demolisher kit.

Eldar Own wrote:Oh, just noticed. Number9dream, Boom Box is a better name.

It would open up a lot of funny conversion opportunities for fitting speakers on your vehicles

number9dream wrote:It would open up a lot of funny conversion opportunities for fitting speakers on your vehicles

I just got a trukk and Iv'e ordered some Goff Rockers to put on it a-la Rock Band. Big SPeakers are a must.

On a side note, what did the Goff Rockers do and why were they taken out?

Edorian wrote:

Imperial Guard
I know they just came out, but there are some glaring problems. Admittedly as a guard player myself I abuse it, but it does need to be fixed.

-Vendettas. Do something, just something I mean seriously. Remove transport capacity, un-twin-link the lascannons, make the heavy bolters more expensive, take off the free extra armor, or at least adjust the points. The rest of the IG FA section is good enough that given the opportunity to excel it can, but currently the only question is “do I use 2 vendettas or all 3?”

@ Vendetta: I could live without the transportation, but don't take away the twin-linked! I finally have some twin-linked after all these years and I'm willing to keep it! Extra armor is no problem: aircrafts need some protection so why not? As for the heavy bolters... who takes these voluntarily anyway?!?! So, well okay... make them more expensive, I couldn't care less. By the way I think you underestimate the valkyrie somehow. It's a fine alternative imo.

I agree about removing transport. Infact, they should never have invented the Vendetta and just given us Vulture gunships instead.

With my new Tyranid codex, I'm still wishing for the same thing:

A ranged weapon that has an AP of 3 or better. I think we have a whopping 2 of them. And one is a Psychic power.

Seriously? Strength 10, AP 4?

I would also love to see Carnifexes in a brood be able to be equipped differently, but that would probably be a bit overpowered.

Farseer Prometheus:

Have whatever squad the Autarch is a part of count as a scoring unit.

I like this idea a lot - I was going to post the same thing but decided to see if it'd already been posted (I might actually have seen it before while skimming this thread) - and what do you know, it has

It'd be very nice and dynamic, especially if you have a very mobile autarch (WSJ, Bike).

I'd give Grey Knights more psychic powers. I'm not talking big fancy things, I mean like, a RENDING psychic power. A 2D6 AP psychic power. A whole-squad Fleet psychic power. A whole squad Power Weapon upgrade psychic power (all of these until end of turn, of course,) etc, etc, etc. I'd give them a 5+ invulnerable save. I'd make the simple psychic powers 'lesser' psychic powers, and let the Justicars take a few, and the BCs to take a few and one of the 'greater' psychic powers, (i.e. the ones on par with holocaust) and then the GM take two 'greater' psychic powers, and a few of the lesser ones. I'd let them all teleport in and make the Deep Strike FA squads come in on a pre-determined turn decided before deployment. I'd give them all Psycannon Bolts standard, and with a bit of play testing, that may very well be a valid fix.

CSM:

Legion Specific Upgrades and altered Force Organization Chart (Iron Warriors, Word Bearers, Thousand Sons, Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Death Guard, Black Legion, Alpha Legion, Night Lords) for select units...mostly toward Vanilla Marines, HQ's, Termie's, and Dreadnought. (Seriously, if Loyalist b 's like Dark Angels and Black Templar get their own...don't get me started)

Better, more diverse Psyker Powers (Psyker powers have become more and more powerful with each updated codex since 5th. Ed. SM)

Upgrades for Summoned Daemons (more expensive but make them EXACTLY like their brothers/sisters in the Chaos Daemons 'dex)

Drop Plague Marines to 20 pts, Noise Marines to 18, Berzerkers to 20, 1k Sons to 21 pts

and lastly ...CSM DREAD CLAWS!!! (if you don't know what this is, ask your local 40k vet)

make the rules more lol-ish its far too grimdark for me, so i chose the one thats the least grimdark, tau

number9dream wrote:Farseer Prometheus:

Have whatever squad the Autarch is a part of count as a scoring unit.

I like this idea a lot - I was going to post the same thing but decided to see if it'd already been posted (I might actually have seen it before while skimming this thread) - and what do you know, it has

It'd be very nice and dynamic, especially if you have a very mobile autarch (WSJ, Bike).

I think its a good idea. I suppose it gets across the fact that's it's a 'Master Strategist', and would open some nice tactics and very effective unit combinations.

Good things have been said about chaos already, but at the risk of repeating things here are some from me, a longtime and disgruntled chaos marine:

C:CSM

Lords > eternal warrior, A4 base, page of options ala space wolf lords
Dreads > access to dreadclaws, crazed! result 1 = fire double at closest enemy if possible before closest friend (ala 4th edition)
Possessed > roll before the game begins
Power Armor Infantry > access to dreadclaws (as drop pod but does damage to enemy units that it lands on, before deviating to safely)
Cultists > new troops choice, fodder stats and points, led by chaos marine AC, infiltrates (ala DoW)
Bikers > +1A (ala 4th edition), cheaper
Raptors > cheaper
Defilers > AV13, small price hike acceptable

Sure I'd love oodles of options and more weird troops, but that short list would do it for me. If I only got three choices, it would be: 1) dreadclaws everywhere, 2) uber-ize lords, 3) cultists. The dreadclaw option for dreads would actually mitigate crazed! rolls of 1, as they'd either be stepping out of a dreadclaw, in combat or deep in the enemy's heart.

- Salvage

I would make boyz strength 4 and remove furious charge.

Necrons:

I played necrons before and I didn't like there was only one troop choice so I think that Flayed Ones would become troop choices

Dedrith wrote:I would make boyz strength 4 and remove furious charge.

Seems to be a very wanted change, GW hear our pleas!

EDCO Hunt wrote:Necrons:

I played necrons before and I didn't like there was only one troop choice so I think that Flayed Ones would become troop choices

Don't play necrons but i think it's a bit pants that there's only one troop chioce. Flayed ones are the fleshy ones with claws right? Good idea. Another thing that I'd think would be cool for necrons is a necron CC squad, with a gauss pistol (if it exists ATM) and a gauss CC weapon or something, perhaps it re-rolls to hit or has a -1 armour save modifier?

Black Templars:

High Marshal Hilbrandt should have Eternal Warrior.

Dreadnoughts should have the option for Plasma Cannons.

Troops/Elites should come with frags and kraks like the Codex: Space Marines.

Drop Pod Assault Rules (1/2 on turn one, rest on subsequent turns) like the Codex: Space Marines.

Reduced cost on Chaplains.

I'd LOVE to get sternguard with the different amunition.

Here is what i would like to see.
Basic Rule book
Eternal warrior activates on a 4+

Daemons
Perhaps allow the second half of the army to come in on turn 2, or some sorta ability that allows you to give +1 to reserve rolls

Eldar
More devastating psy powers(there the master of the warps, but the warp fearful space wolves out class them in warp power!???)

also giving back template weapons to warp spiders please

cheaper guardians, +1 bs to most everything else. From what i understand, shouldnt eldar be a super elite hit and run force? i beleive that eldar should be able to hit extremely hard but die to a stiff wind if they get caught.

Necrons
The Best anti psyker abilities in the game (this race is out to zap the warp from reality, but has 1 anti psyker option, and it sucks in every way)

as i constantly mentioned, rewording of the WBB rule that is not just slappin in FnP. The way i would like to see it is that it activates a the end of phase, before morale test are taking, and after that you calculate casualties for morale. this takes care of needing some sorta fearless/stubborn thing and keeps them unique.

New Nids
wings cheaper all around, and give a option for wings on the Alpha warrior and at least option for nades on a couple units.

Orks
A option for flash gits to get a upgrade to increase BS
More random weapons and vehicles
somehow incorporate Tellyportas

all i can thik of at the moment

tacooo wrote:
Eldar
More devastating psy powers(there the master of the warps, but the warp fearful space wolves out class them in warp power!???)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying too! Best psykers in the 40K universe and thier powers are not very good!? Most needed change for eldar, IMO.

Eldar Own wrote:

tacooo wrote:
Eldar
More devastating psy powers(there the master of the warps, but the warp fearful space wolves out class them in warp power!???)

Yeah, that's what I'm saying too! Best psykers in the 40K universe and thier powers are not very good!? Most needed change for eldar, IMO.

Well, another army who has incredibly weak psychic powers and isn't at all like that in the fluff are the GK, do you think the logic could work for both? Also, I agree with Tacooo. SW are way too OP in psychic powers.

On eldar, though: I'd make them more tricky, but less powerful with weapons. I'd even consider giving them AP3 S3 catapults instead of 12" assault bolters.

crazypsyko666 wrote:
On eldar, though: I'd make them more tricky, but less powerful with weapons. I'd even consider giving them AP3 S3 catapults instead of 12" assault bolters.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing the strength for less AP, but i think getting AP3 is unlikely.

Drop pod assault/ I really wish that it said may drop half instead having to drop half. Would make the drop pod a much better option I think so you're not dropping a bunch of pods onto an empty board.

These aren't exactly what I'd call necessary changes, but they are things that I think would make Orks a little more colorful.

If there were an option for Squiggoths to be used, possibly as a Monstrous Creature or the like, that would be pretty neat, as the only Squigs you see now are the Tankbusta Bomb-squigs. It's a bit of a shame, seeing as how Squigs and Squiggoths are described as being an ever-present part of the Ork ekosystem.

Possible Squiggoth Statline:
65 points
Elite, 1 Monstrous Creature (uses MC rules in 40K rulebook)
Special Rules: Furious Charge, Fleet of Foot
WS 5 BS 0 S 6 T 5 W 4 I 1 A3

Gains an additional +2 attacks on the charge rather than +1
Roll a D6 at the beginning of every turn; on a 1 the Squiggoth has gone beserk and rampages through the nearest unit, friend or foe. Automatically move the Squiggoth to the closest unit; treat the unit as it it has been Tank Shocked, but inflict 1d6 wounds (no armor saves, cover and invuln. saves apply) automatically at the Squiggoth's strength. If the unit fails the morale check, inflict another 1d6 wounds.

Increase the Armor on the Looted Wagon to F12 S12 B10. Keep everything else the same.

Standard changes to Flash Gits, like everyone else (Less points or More Dakka for free)

And just for fun, I'd like to see some rules for the Clans. If individual Space Marine chapters can get their own codex, then the Clans should have some kind of special rules attached. Here are my ideas.

Goffs: Have the ability to swap Fast Attack or Heavy Support slots for additional Troop slots on the FOC (i.e. no Fast Attack but 9 Troops options on the FOC). +1A.

Evil Sunz: May switch out 2 Troop slots for either 2 additional Fast Attack or 1 Heavy Support slot on the FOC. Embarked models may move and assault as normal after disembarking, but are at -1A and -1I in Assault if they do.

Bad Moons: Any Ork or vehicle with a Big Shoota may replace it with a Kustom Mega Blasta for no additional cost. Additionally, Ork Boy mobs may include 2 additional Big Shootas, Rokkit Launchas, Burnas (in the case of Kommandos), or KMBs for +10 points a model; this allows up to 4 heavy weapons per squad of Boyz.

Snakebites: +1 Toughness. May exchange up to 2 Fast Attack, Troops, or Heavy Support slots for 2 additional Elites slots on the FOC; may field Squiggoths in herds of 3 as a single Elite choice

Blood Axes: All units gain the Preferred Enemy special rule if playing against Space Marines, Imperial Guard, or Inquisitorial armies; may take up to 2 Kommandos as a Troops choice. All units gain the Move Through Cover and Counter Attack special rules.

Deathskulls: May choose to copy any 1 rule from any of the other Clans. If the army includes a Looted Wagon, you may use the rules for the vehicle that the Looted Wagon was made from instead of the standard Looted Wagon rules (i.e. a Looted Chimera may count as a Chimera rather than a Looted Wagon.) If done so, however, the looted vehicle's BS is reduced to 2 for all weapons.

Freebooters: Any Ork army that is a custom clan may choose 1 of the rules from another clan to count for their army. Additionally, they may choose from two of the following Freebooter-only rules (one if they have chosen a rule from another Clan):
- May exchange up to 2 Troops slots for 2 additional slots of Elites or Fast Attack, or 1 Heavy Support.
- May take Killa Kans or Dreadnoughts as Elites Choices as well as Heavy Support.
- May take Flash Gits as a Troops choice; additionally, may take Kaptin Badrukk as an HQ choice instead of an upgrade(treat as an IC)

Eldar Own wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:
On eldar, though: I'd make them more tricky, but less powerful with weapons. I'd even consider giving them AP3 S3 catapults instead of 12" assault bolters.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing the strength for less AP, but i think getting AP3 is unlikely.

Well then why not AP4 S3?

crazypsyko666 wrote:

Eldar Own wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:
On eldar, though: I'd make them more tricky, but less powerful with weapons. I'd even consider giving them AP3 S3 catapults instead of 12" assault bolters.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing the strength for less AP, but i think getting AP3 is unlikely.

Well then why not AP4 S3?

I wouldn't mind this, as long as they kept assault. Maybe guardians could choose between the ones they have now and ones with S3 AP4?

Eldar Own wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

Eldar Own wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:
On eldar, though: I'd make them more tricky, but less powerful with weapons. I'd even consider giving them AP3 S3 catapults instead of 12" assault bolters.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing the strength for less AP, but i think getting AP3 is unlikely.

Well then why not AP4 S3?

I wouldn't mind this, as long as they kept assault. Maybe guardians could choose between the ones they have now and ones with S3 AP4?

I dunno, S4 seems a bit OP'd for a race that's supposed to be fairly weak in their S/T. I even think the Avatar is underpriced to an extent. (Just compare it to a Bloodthirster. You'll see what I mean.)

crazypsyko666 wrote:

Eldar Own wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

Eldar Own wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:
On eldar, though: I'd make them more tricky, but less powerful with weapons. I'd even consider giving them AP3 S3 catapults instead of 12" assault bolters.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing the strength for less AP, but i think getting AP3 is unlikely.

Well then why not AP4 S3?

I wouldn't mind this, as long as they kept assault. Maybe guardians could choose between the ones they have now and ones with S3 AP4?

I dunno, S4 seems a bit OP'd for a race that's supposed to be fairly weak in their S/T. I even think the Avatar is underpriced to an extent. (Just compare it to a Bloodthirster. You'll see what I mean.)

Racial S/T has nothing to do with weapon S. i'd like to see shuriken catapults become S3 with rending personally.
And an Avatar gets shot alot more before charging, Bloodthirsters can appear from nowhere within spitting distance of an enemy, maybe thats what your paying points for hmm?

i would give sternguard BS 5 and vanguard WS 5. i know this would be unfair but considering their storylines they really should have it.

taylorton147 wrote:i would give sternguard BS 5 and vanguard WS 5. i know this would be unfair but considering their storylines they really should have it.

Yeah but then you'd have to increase the BS and WS of the captians and then off the higher BS and WS army's leaders and basically everything.

dayve110 wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

Eldar Own wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

Eldar Own wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:
On eldar, though: I'd make them more tricky, but less powerful with weapons. I'd even consider giving them AP3 S3 catapults instead of 12" assault bolters.

I wouldn't mind sacrificing the strength for less AP, but i think getting AP3 is unlikely.

Well then why not AP4 S3?

I wouldn't mind this, as long as they kept assault. Maybe guardians could choose between the ones they have now and ones with S3 AP4?

I dunno, S4 seems a bit OP'd for a race that's supposed to be fairly weak in their S/T. I even think the Avatar is underpriced to an extent. (Just compare it to a Bloodthirster. You'll see what I mean.)

Racial S/T has nothing to do with weapon S. i'd like to see shuriken catapults become S3 with rending personally.
And an Avatar gets shot alot more before charging, Bloodthirsters can appear from nowhere within spitting distance of an enemy, maybe thats what your paying points for hmm?

Hold on, lemme get my box



Yes, but the Avatar of Khaine outclasses the Bloodthirster in so many ways.
WS: Even,
BS: Avatar by +1,
S: Bloodthirster by+1,
T: Even,
W: Even,
I: Avatar by +1,
A: Bloodthirster by +1,
Ld: Even
Sv: Even
With ranged attacks, for a lesser power, (S7 AP2 on a BS4 IC) add +20 points to the Bloodthirster (which could buy me another Bloodletter) is lesser by 1 stat value in both ways to an ability the Avatar gets for free. Did I mention the Avatar gets the highest chance to attack first, given that the Bloodthirster can't charge when he warps in? However, the biggest problem I have with the Avatar (and the whole reason for this rant) Is that the Avatar costs 155 points. A blood thirster with the appropriate upgrades to put him on-par (deathstrike) with the Avatar's other abilities makes him 270 points. that's 115 points in the Eldar's favor, which is almost enough to buy another Avatar of Khaine.

Unfair? I think so.

Okay, now that I'm done with my rant, I'd like to mention that the only place where the bloodthirster really shines (and Khornezilla in general) is when you give it wings. Khornezilla can be one of the most mobile Daemon force in existence.

Forgive me if someone has already said this: I wish that they would say explicitly that Shrike gives whatever unit he is with the infiltrate USR so the ing rules lawyers would shut up and leave me alone

I think we all can agree the #1 thing to change in all codexes is official clarification of rules.

crazypsyko666 wrote:I think we all can agree the #1 thing to change in all codexes is official clarification of rules.

Yup.

crazypsyko666 wrote:
Yes, but the Avatar of Khaine outclasses the Bloodthirster in so many ways.
WS: Even,
BS: Avatar by +1,
S: Bloodthirster by+1,
T: Even,
W: Even,
I: Avatar by +1,
A: Bloodthirster by +1,
Ld: Even
Sv: Even
With ranged attacks, for a lesser power, (S7 AP2 on a BS4 IC) add +20 points to the Bloodthirster (which could buy me another Bloodletter) is lesser by 1 stat value in both ways to an ability the Avatar gets for free. Did I mention the Avatar gets the highest chance to attack first, given that the Bloodthirster can't charge when he warps in? However, the biggest problem I have with the Avatar (and the whole reason for this rant) Is that the Avatar costs 155 points. A blood thirster with the appropriate upgrades to put him on-par (deathstrike) with the Avatar's other abilities makes him 270 points. that's 115 points in the Eldar's favor, which is almost enough to buy another Avatar of Khaine.

Unfair? I think so.

So i have +2 on your stats and you have +2 on mine, pretty equal if you ask me so there is no outclassing there.
If you play a Bloodthirster appropriately you can warp in behind cover and still get to charge with a full compliment of wounds.
Where as the Avatar must slog it across the board taking lascannons to the face.
Not to mention that you can get into combat much faster than i can so get to kill more units.
These facts alone are IMO worth the points increase, if i had an avatar with wings that could DS then i'd expect them to be the same cost. As it is the Avatar is incredibly slow and usually gets shot to pieces if the opponent knows what's good for them.

Does the Bloodthirster have a 3+ armour sv and a 4+ invulnerable? As I'm 70% sure that the avatar does.

dayve110 wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:
Yes, but the Avatar of Khaine outclasses the Bloodthirster in so many ways.
WS: Even,
BS: Avatar by +1,
S: Bloodthirster by+1,
T: Even,
W: Even,
I: Avatar by +1,
A: Bloodthirster by +1,
Ld: Even
Sv: Even
With ranged attacks, for a lesser power, (S7 AP2 on a BS4 IC) add +20 points to the Bloodthirster (which could buy me another Bloodletter) is lesser by 1 stat value in both ways to an ability the Avatar gets for free. Did I mention the Avatar gets the highest chance to attack first, given that the Bloodthirster can't charge when he warps in? However, the biggest problem I have with the Avatar (and the whole reason for this rant) Is that the Avatar costs 155 points. A blood thirster with the appropriate upgrades to put him on-par (deathstrike) with the Avatar's other abilities makes him 270 points. that's 115 points in the Eldar's favor, which is almost enough to buy another Avatar of Khaine.

Unfair? I think so.

So i have +2 on your stats and you have +2 on mine, pretty equal if you ask me so there is no outclassing there.
If you play a Bloodthirster appropriately you can warp in behind cover and still get to charge with a full compliment of wounds.
Where as the Avatar must slog it across the board taking lascannons to the face.
Not to mention that you can get into combat much faster than i can so get to kill more units.
These facts alone are IMO worth the points increase, if i had an avatar with wings that could DS then i'd expect them to be the same cost. As it is the Avatar is incredibly slow and usually gets shot to pieces if the opponent knows what's good for them.

I do tend to believe that initiative is the most important stat in the game, however (In a CC unit) and given an Eldar army, with Eldrad I've seen a guardian squad take out a bloodthirster in a single round of shooting. I don't think they should have that kind of CC power if they can just SHOOT IT to the ground. Also, putting it behind cover isn't always an option, give that it's an MC that's larger than most structures. Have you ever played with Demons? It's really not as simple as you try to make it sound. The difference that I've given that really pisses me off is the points. Oh, and Bloodthirster is one of the largest gun-magnets available in the game. Given that it's not a tank, it's a magnet for EVERY gun in the game. It looks and sounds far more imposing than an Avatar of Khaine, let me tell you, and given its size, not that hard to shoot at.

This is just my opinion, take it however you want. Actually, the only thing I'd change in the Bloodthirster is to give it hellblades. The Avatar just needs about a +30 points increase, IMO.


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phantommaster wrote:Does the Bloodthirster have a 3+ armour sv and a 4+ invulnerable? As I'm 70% sure that the avatar does.

They both do. Bloodthirster has Iron Hide and the standard Daemon inv. save. Avatar comes with the same thing.

Maybe not 30pts, a little less.

Eldar Own wrote:Maybe not 30pts, a little less.

25?

crazypsyko666 wrote:
I do tend to believe that initiative is the most important stat in the game, however (In a CC unit) and given an Eldar army, with Eldrad I've seen a guardian squad take out a bloodthirster in a single round of shooting. I don't think they should have that kind of CC power if they can just SHOOT IT to the ground. Also, putting it behind cover isn't always an option, give that it's an MC that's larger than most structures. Have you ever played with Demons? It's really not as simple as you try to make it sound. The difference that I've given that really pisses me off is the points. Oh, and Bloodthirster is one of the largest gun-magnets available in the game. Given that it's not a tank, it's a magnet for EVERY gun in the game. It looks and sounds far more imposing than an Avatar of Khaine, let me tell you, and given its size, not that hard to shoot at.

This is just my opinion, take it however you want. Actually, the only thing I'd change in the Bloodthirster is to give it hellblades. The Avatar just needs about a +30 points increase, IMO.

Eldrad is 210 points, guardian squad is 80 minimum +support weapon cost (which you must take) so at 290 minimum points, i'd expect them to kill a bloodthirster. If you can't hide something behind a building you need better terrain, at the FLGS there are several multi-story buildings and ruins able to conceal a bloodthirster. BTW i have played with deamons, and if the opponent wasted a turn of shooting taking out one thing it only means my troops will be ripping them to shreds in my turn.

Orks
Change don't press that! to either the vehicle can't move or shoot that turn; 1-3 cannot move, 4-6 cannot shoot
Give the option for a bosspole on both flashgitz and meganobz
Lower the price of flashgitz, or keep the price the same but include some of the bonuses in their profile or have snazzguns count as twin linked, thanks to the sheer amount of firepower spewing forth, jsut something
Change Glory Hogs to must shoot, or assault the nearest vehicle IF IN RANGE, and give them tank hunter back
Give the option to put snotlings in grot herdz, WS2 BS0 S2 T2 W1 I1 Ld4 no wargear, changing the name to runt herdz and change runtherdz back to slavers
Update the wording of WAAAGH!!!! and prophet of the WAAAGH!!! to make them less ambiguous(sp?) in the 5th edition
Put burnas as a heavy weapon choice in boy mobs, 15 points seems reasonable, but not allowing a mix and match of heavy weapons
The choice to give a Big Mek a deffkopta for 25-35 points
Not all of these things, just a few would be cool.
EDIT: Drop pods in the form of roks with 3D6 scatter 2D6 casualties per drop and the special rule of 2D6 S7 ap- hits on any unit or vehicle they hit as a dedicated troop choice for boyz mobs, also no guns on them as i doubt they would survive entering the atmosphere

Tau
Give kroot Stealth, and change Kroot guns to Assault 1 weapons or give them fleet, their meant to be stealthy cc troops, not shoot or run or assault troops
Update all the target priority test garbage out of the codex
lower the cost of fire warriors, or give an upgrade for +1 bs, or give them defensive grenades standard
Make vespid not suck, i'm not sure how to do this but they need a major overhaul
Make the gun drones off of vehicles not count as another killpoint once the vehicle is popped
Give the option to replace a gun drone on a vehicle with a shield drone to give the vehicle an obscured save one turn a game like a smoke launcher
Lower the cost of stealth suits 5 points mabye

Only two armies i play reasonably often but i know necrons and DE just plain need new codexes, and the inquisition could use new ones as well, so i don't expect my armies to get new codexes anytime soon.

DE Scourges gain Relentless... Splinter Rifles become 18" Assault 2... Hellions have Punishers... Mandrakes equipped with pistols and scissorhands...

And that didn't even require a 10+ year codex to write

I would echo the sentiment of DiscoVader/number9dream regarding clan-specific powers for Orks - they would work in a similar way to BT Emperors Champion vows, in that they would each have a points cost. A Freebooterz warband could purchase any two Clan marks.

Just a few ideas for a couple of them:

Evil Sunz:
Faster! FASTER!!!: All vehicles count as having RPJ, including Bikes and Deffkoptas.

Bad Moons:
Wall of Dakka: Each firing unit gets D6(or D3?) extra shots in the Shooting phase. The extra shots are resolved using the profile of the most numerous weapon in the unit.

Goffs:
Smash Dem!: When assaulting, all Ork units gain an extra +1 Attack, in addition to any other normal bonuses.

Deathskulls:
Blue Warpaint: All ork units get an invulnerable save of 6+.

Snakebites:
Savage Orks: Yeah, +1 toughness is cool. Maybe Fearless? Substitutes Biker units for Boar Boyz.

BloodAxes:
Sneaky Gitz: 'Move Through Cover' is a good idea - how about +1 Initiative?

I would also like to see some version of the following Battlewagon upgrade:

Grot Turret: 1 Big Shoota Turret per Battlewagon may take a grot turret - this increases the BS of the Big Shoota in question to BS3. In addition, I would make all Big Gunz upgrades automatically count as 'Grot Turrets', giving them BS3.

In addition, I would like to see Burna Boyz be more effective vs Vehicles in CC. The fluff states that they are used to slice through vehicle hulls, but in practice this is nigh on impossible. How about giving them 2D6 for amour penetration when using the Cutting Flame in CC against a vehicle?


As I said, just a few thoughts.

Any "non-codex-codexes" space marines chapters.

-Give the techmarines a bike option

By the way, why are their techmarines the only ones who are not allowed to get a bike? Just think about the poor techmarine running far behind a ravenwing army! Why being so cruel with him? Or is it because they all failed to the bike driving exam? ("OK guys! You all failed to the bike exam, so, as a punishment you'll be sent to the non-codex chapters! And stop whining this way, you've got what you deserved!")

I think lictors should be able to assualt on the turn they arrive and should have a base cover save, like 5+ or 4+, which can be improved by cover, to account ofr the fact it can melt into thin air and materialise somewhere else.

Orks:
List-wide changes:
Basic boy is S4, loses Furious Charge, 8 points.
Nobz are S5, T4. Leadership 8. 25 points, +15 upgrade.
Warboss S6, T5.
Dedicated transports: any ork mob 12 models or less may buy wartrukk as a transport vehicle. A model takes up a # of slots equal to its wounds total.
Mob Rule: count number of WOUNDS in the unit for Leadership, not models. Remove "Fearless" aspect that removes models as casualties.
Waaagh!: once per game, gives fleet and doubles initiative
Allow characters to take tankbusta bombs
Deffrolla: d6 S10 hits against infantry (2d6 on Death or Glory); vehicle counts as S10 when ramming, regardless of distance moved.

Force Org:
HQ
Warboss [same basic stats, but takes a specialty:]
--Warlord: [goff] same as is, may take nob or meganob as troop choice, has better/cheaper melee wargear
--Speed Freek: [evil sunz] may take warbikes as troops; gets special bike/vehicle upgrades
--Gold Toof: [bad moon] WS4, BS3, may take unit of flash gits as troops, has special gun upgrades
--Snakebite Boss: [snakebite] may take unit of weirdboyz as troops; has special poison, grot, and squig upgrades
--Freebooter Kaptin: [deathskulls] may take a loota unit as troops; gets special looted wargear options
--Kommando: [blood axes] may take kommando unit as troops; has scout/infiltrate/move through cover
Big Mek [allows 1-3 deffdreads OR 1 unit of killa kans or burnas to be taken as a single troops choice]
Painboss [allows 1 unit of cyborks to be taken as troops] - same stat line as Big Mek
Special characters

Elite:
Nobz
Meganobz [5+ invulnerable, some upgrade options, Ld. 8]
Weirdboyz [1-3 bought as single choice, added to other units] 35 points ea., upgrade to warphead for +25 ea.
Kommandos [option to take tankbusta bombs]
Burna Boyz [give them the "cutting torch" option for 2d6 armor penetration in melee]
Cyborks [0-1, S4, T5, 5+ invulnerable; painboy option; like 3rd ed.]
Flash Gitz [15 points; basic ork boy stat line, but BS3, WS3; nob upgrade option and lose painboy; gun: S5, AP(d6), Assault 2, 24" range; gun options (5 pts ea per model): +1 S; Assault 3; +12" range. Unit size: 5-15.]
Tankbustas [lose Glory Hog, add Tankhunter]

Troops:
Ork Boyz [slugga or shoota boyz, S4, no furious charge] 8 pts ea
Ork Yoofs [slugga/choppa only, S3/T4, no armor] 6 pts ea
'Ard Boyz [0-1*, 4+ armor save] 12 pts
Skarboyz [0-1*, regular boy w/ 2 wounds each, 5-15 size] 12 pts
Gretchin
*You must have at least one unit of boyz for each unit of 'ard boyz and/or skarboyz in your army.

Fast Attack:
Stormboyz [give tankbusta bombs option]
Deffkoptas [same, but Big Bomm: either 5 pts for what it is now, or S5, AP 4, Pinning for +15)
Warbuggies/Wartrakks/Skorchas
Warbikes
Cyboars [old 2nd Ed calvary; would be a unit that moves 9", charges 9", T4(5), boar has 2 S4 attacks]
Huvacraff [flying troop transport; skimmer, fast, open topped; 12/11/10 armor; 20 model capacity]

Heavy Support:
Lootas
Battlewagons [1-3 bought as single force org chart as dedicated transports w/ limited gun upgrades; 1 per slot otherwise]
Heavy Gunz [improve the guns to make it worth taking; add some mekboyz to the krew; make a "Supa-kannon" or something that high risk, high reward]
Deff Dread
Killa Kans
Looted Tank [loot from list of tanks, like in 3rd ed., but roll a d6 every time you move or shoot: on a 1, crew does something wrong and that action fails]

Just my .02.

I would like for GW to get they act together...........and get they wording correct

Space Marines
I'd love to see Space Marine get the Chapter Traits that we had in the 4th Edition Codex. (crimson fists with prefered enemies: orks and faithful unto death; Boosh!)
Sternguard and Vanguard should be more expensive and get different stats (i don't see how the pro shooters and the pro melee guys have the same exact stats)
Librarians need to have an invul save and if not them at the very least Tigirius needs one.
Chapter Masters should be able to take honour guard or a command squad ( i just think its wierd that the head of a chapter CAN'T be escorted by a command squad)
Dreadnoughts with different heroes inside would be pretty cool, like a librarian dreadnought, chaplain dreadnought or chapter master dreadnought
A mini-codex of important space marine characters would be cool (ultra-smurfs have like 6 special characters while theres only 1 for every other "important" chapter.
Necrons
give us a new codex, end of story

More expensive Vanguard, that's the worst idea ever.

Arheiner wrote:More expensive Vanguard, that's the worst idea ever.

it wouldn't be balanced to just give sternguard and vanguard something to make them better. i say up their prices and increase their ballistic/ weapon skills

Aftersong wrote:Tau

General Rules - all marker lights fire at the end of the movement phase before that start of the shooting phase, any model firing a markerlight is considered to have a target lock (only when firing the markerlight) units/models firing markerlights incur no restrictions in the shooting phase for doing so.

Marker light changed to assault 1

Photon grenades- any unit declaring an assault on a unit equipped with photon grenades rolls a D6 and uses the result for their assault range rather than the normal 6"

Seeker missiles - reduced to 5 points, vehicles may have up to 4 per vehicle but each vehicle may only fire 2 per turn.



Ethereal- remove line of sight requirement for moral re-rolls

Crisis Suits- flamers count as power weapons in close combat price increased to 10 points

Vespids- given a 4+ armor save, in assault any roll of a 6 to wound counts as having been inflicted by a power weapon.

Drones- No kill points are awarded for destroyed gun drone squads

Kroot - given a 5+ invul save for superior reflexes, possibly given upgrades options from kroot mercenaries list.

Shaper - access to power weapons

Firewarriors- when squad numbers 12 models given free Shas'ui, bonding knife, and markerlight

Skyray - carries 10 seekers instead of 6, no limits on how many can be launched per turn

Pathfinders - Remove compulsory transport, grant stealth usr, may not fire weapons if they fired markerlights, 18 points instead of 12

Shadowsun - Her Fusion blasters are changed to 18" range (9" for melta) and she makes stealth suits count as scoring units.

Farsight - Crisis teams count as scoring units

Aun'va - no line of sight for moral tests re-rolls confers stubborn USR to all tau models not kroot or vespids reduced to 190 points

Please please PLEASE stop trying to give Tau power weapons AT ALL (No kroot, No Suits, No Vespid, no ethereals). We are NOT a melee army. The Tau strategy is shooty shooty, we get in the choppy choppy we lose, use tactics to avoid melee. If you want a good shooty army that can hold it's own in melee with power weapons, roll Space Marines.

Kroot don't need an invulnerable, perhaps only in Melee like the DE wyches.

Vespids- armor, yes - rending, no. Increase gun range to 18" or give them the jump back ability

Make Gun drones count as no kill points? Absolutely not, I'll take 3 units of them and march em at you & oh by the way, you killed em? they dont count haha.

Marker lights are fine as is maybe a slight point drop. You need to coordinate your fire properly to get the best effect out of them.

Free Shas'ui on firewarriors, great, free bonded? no.

Tau are good, but they are fickle. You need to know how to coordinate your fire to get the best effect. They need minor tweaks, what they don't need is a boost to melee or riduculously Overpowered upgrades. I should know I've been playing them since their release as my main army.

For the CSM, I would like to see more fluff and a seperate codex for each different Chaos God, like the 4th edition.

mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:For the CSM, I would like to see more fluff and a seperate codex for each different Chaos God, like the 4th edition.

Seperate Codex? Nah, but maybe have that extra area in the back for special rules for each legion if that's what you mean. The way the new codexes look I'd say your best bet is to have "special characters" grant special rules like in the smurfs codex.

mrblacksunshine_1978 wrote:I would like for GW to get they act together...........and get they wording correct

Oh Irony.

Sternguard troops not scoring

Sternguard_rock wrote:Sternguard troops not scoring

They aren't scoring, unless your oponent takes Pedro Kantor which gives them that rule at the cost of combat tactics.

'Nids should have better BS. Especially a shooty unit like the Tyrannofex or Harpy. Also, the Tergivon's gaunts should join the closest gaunt unit when spawned, and the Tergivon (and other Nid MC) shouldget a cover sv from gaunts.

Klawz wrote:'Nids should have better BS. Especially a shooty unit like the Tyrannofex or Harpy. Also, the Tergivon's gaunts should join the closest gaunt unit when spawned, and the Tergivon (and other Nid MC) shouldget a cover sv from gaunts.

I must disagree with almost every point you made.

Improved BS - no - Most things are now BS 3 or better. These are creatures that use instinct, not space marines with decades of training. (Disregarding the hive mind as it doesn't exert direct control it exerts its will & influence)

Gaunts joining the closest one - ok maybe

MC's getting a cover same from gaunts? - No way in hell. Look at the picture on page 52 of the new nids codex and imagine an imperial guard conversation:
"Sir! Should we target the 20 foot tall giant bug?"
"Nope, those 3 foot gaunts are going to jump 17 feet into the air & block our shot"

MC's only get cover if 1/2 the model is obscured IIRC and thats from the BGB not just the codex.

I've played several games with my new tyranids & have done just fine.

Nids should be an assault-based force. Whatever shooting they have is clearly secondary. More units having "Fleet" would be more appropriate, to charge into tanks to rip them apart.

LeperMessiah wrote:Nids should be an assault-based force. Whatever shooting they have is clearly secondary. More units having "Fleet" would be more appropriate, to charge into tanks to rip them apart.

Yeah, i think this would be quite a good change too, except only for the ones that feed when reverted to instinctive behaviour.

lower price on dark reaper and wraithgard.


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I wish Weirdboyz had a bigger selection of powers that I could chose from. I'd still have to roll for the power to keep that Orky randomness, but if I want to spew psychic vomit on my enemies rather that deep striking into a tree, I should be able to do that.

Plus he really should be knocked down to an elite choice. As awesome as Weirdboyz are, they're not the leading type.

1st time poster to dakkadakka. thought this was the first forum i felt like responding too.

I would make for SM the assault squads have more of an assault gun option. give them the option of having flamers, plasma guns, meltaguns... even if it was moved to another section such as troops or elites. just a thought.

Luke_Prowler wrote:I wish Weirdboyz had a bigger selection of powers that I could chose from. I'd still have to roll for the power to keep that Orky randomness, but if I want to spew psychic vomit on my enemies rather that deep striking into a tree, I should be able to do that.

Plus he really should be knocked down to an elite choice. As awesome as Weirdboyz are, they're not the leading type.

Heartily agree. Wierdboyz seem like they'd be a lot of fun to use if they weren't taking up a valuable HQ slot.

Also, the mental image of a Wierdboy warping his way into a tree is hilarious.

Imperial Guard

Independant Characters: Offer more wargear options for ICs. They are very lean on equipment they can take, which stifles customization.

Command Squads: Add new advisors "liasons" that allow you to take elements of the old IG armies and give yours a 'theme', like a Catachan liason that gives some bonus when in forests/cover, Elysian liason that lets units that can scout/infiltrate to deepstrike, etc.

Comissars- Increase squads that can include Comissars beyond just vanilla Platoon Squads. Some units seem made for these guys tagging along (Ogryns, for example). Give the option of taking a powerfist, but price it to make it balanced that a squad totes a hidden powerfist.

Priests- Do the same thing with Priests: Create a new kind of 'High Priest/Confessor/SpacePope' that functions like the one we have now, only with 2W and bit better stats along with a bubble ability (something like units within 6" reroll misses in CC) and if you take the HQ Priest then you can take a priest along with many other kinds of infantry squads who have their 'reroll missed hits on the charge'. Let them continue to take eviscerators.

These two changes make IG characters viable (if you want to invest the points) without having a squishy unit that can easily get singled out in CC.

Ogryns- Re-work their stats, allow them to take a Comissar as a squad upgrade. Make them a feasible assault unit.

Ratlings- As it is now they are the least expensive sniper unit in the game. What hampers them is being T2 and having low Ld. So give them T3 and Ld8, keep the cost the same.

Heavy Weapon Teams- To ease the transition of going from 2 models to one, simply give them Eternal Warrior. Now they essentially function as two models since it forces them to get hit at least twice no matter what.

Special Weapon Teams- Need Frag grenades. Move the 'Demolitions' doctrine from Vets to some upgrade with these guys- 6 guys with meltabombs+satchel charge would make a nice suicide unit.

Scout Sentinel- Increase front armor to 11. This lets them tie up non-powerfisted/meltabombed MEQs.

Vanquisher Leman Russ- Make it a bit more versatile, by allowing it to fire 2 shells: Vanquisher shells (same effect) and Conquerer shells (Heavy 1 Str 7 AP4 Small Blast) so you're not boned after you pop the sole vehicle the opponent had.

Knight Commander Pask- Give him some special rule that benefits the entire tank squadron, ie gives the LRBT tank squadron BS4.

Give vehicle squadrons the CHOICE of staying in coherency of an immobilized vehicle, or scuttling it to be able to move elsewhere. As it is vehicle squadrons have a big liability, and with vehicles that won't move the whole game (like artillery batteries) the immobilized=destryoed is just stupid.

Right, here's my tuppence on the Tau codex (fingers crossed for the new one later this year). I've generally tried to just take the existing codex and make it a more flexible force.

Battlesuit Armoury
Special issue items may now be taken multiple times, but only by HQ choices. I still wanted these items to be restricted, but give more
flexibility for building a tailored force.

Crisis Battlesuits - Replace 3 hardpoints with 2 weapons hard points and 2 support system hardpoints; it is no longer compulsory to
fill all slots I feel this offers slightly more flexibility on suit configuration without being over-powered.
Close combat attacks count as rending. I didn't want to go down the power weapons route, but I
think a bit of a close combat boost is needed, after all these are stonking great power-armour suits!

Stealth Suits - Add the Stealth USR Err… Stealth suits?!
Replace the inbuilt burst cannon with 1 weapon hard point for any battlesuit weapon. Again, greater flexibility.
Add built-in markerlight* These are supposed to be a behind-the-lines unit, it makes sense that they wouldn't attack themselves but
light up a target for the main Tau force (* Note new markelight stats, discussed later).

Broadside Suits - Add the Slow & Purposeful USR Allows the suits to be relentless but limits their movement to a reasonable level. 2 support system hard points. Close combat attacks count as rending.

Advanced stabilisation system - Dropped, no longer necessary as all the suits are relentless.

Airburst Fragmentation Projector - 24" range, Heavy 1 Ordnance (no other weapons may be fired in the same round) May now benefit from markerlights to increase BS to reduce scatter (still won't go above BS5). One of the few large blast weapons in the army and you have to get within charge range to use it?? However I think it stands to reason that if you're firing such a large blast you can't move or fire anything else.

Long-barrelled Burst Cannon *NEW ITEM* - 36" Str 5 AP 5 Heavy 3 As well as a vehicle weapon this will become an option
for Broadside units (see modified unit entry). Note the small suit and larger vehicle burst cannons are now separate weapons.

Command & Control Node - All Tau units (& Vepsid units with a Strain Leader) within 12" may use the owner's leadership value. Makes this item relevant again.

Cyclic Ion Blaster - 24" Range, Rending Replaced the confusing rules with a simple USR, gave it a range boost and kept it special issue.

Failsafe detonator - No longer special issue, but limited to one per force I didn't want to see a proliferation of suicide squads, but likewise I don't think you want to be blowing your HQ's up!

Heavy Fusion Blaster *NEW ITEM* - 24" Str 8 AP 1 Melta Another weapon option for Broadside suits and vehicles (see modified unit entries).

Iridium Armour - No longer special issue. This isn't an over-powered item, so I don’t think it needs to be limited access.

Positional Relay - Now just adds +1 to reserve rolls (10pts? Can't remember current price!). Simplifies the function of this item.

Marker Beacon *NEW(ish) ITEM* - Support System that allows re-roll of deep strike scatter within line of sight (10pts). This item is taken from the Pathfinders Devilfish and will now just be an upgrade option for all suits/vehicles.

Jamming Pod *NEW ITEM* - Support System that puts enemy reserve rolls at -1 (10pts). Unimaginative but necessary piece of suit/vehicle equipment.

Broadside Railgun - Additonal Submunition mode: 72" Str 6 AP 4 Blast to reflect similarity to Hammerhead weapon and provide more options for enaging horde armies.

Broadside Ion Cannon *NEW ITEM* - 60" Str 7 AP 3 Heavy 2 Again, reflects the similarity to the Hammerhead, but slightly less capable, and gives more options for heavy support.

Stealth Field Generator - Now a Support System (10pts), clarify that it doesn't actually use Nightfighting rules, therefore searchlights,
etc have no effect, unless nightfighting rules are actually in operation. (Shining a searchlight in the middle of a bright desert won't help anyone else target the stealth suit you've just spotted. However, in the middle of the night it might give them a clue…)

Stimulant Injector - No longer special issue Again, this isn't an overpowered item so doesn't need to be limited access.

Target Lock - Allows the owner to fire at a different target to the rest of their unit. No reference to target priority, happy now??!

Targetting Array - Now also included as a Hard-wired item on the wargear list, same points and rules. This will allow a bit more of a buff to team leaders, as they aren't generally much better than their ordinary comrades.

Markerlight *NEW(ish) ITEM* - 18" Str - AP - Assault 1 added as either a Battlesuit weapon or Support system (5 pts, only one per model). Normal marker lights are now intended for forward deployed scouting units (Pathfinders, stealth suits, etc) to designate for other units.

Networked Markerlight *NEW(ish) ITEM* - 36" Str - AP - Heavy 1 added as either a Battlesuit weapon or Support system (10 pts, only one per model). Networked markelights are now intended for longer range support of your own squad.

Vectored Retro-Thrusters - No longer special issue; all members of a unit must be equipped with the thrusters This isn't an over-powered item, so I don’t think it needs to be limited access.

Infantry Armoury
Note: unless a points value is given new items cannot be purchased; they will just be specified in the appropriate unit entry.

Hard-wired Targetting Array *NEW ITEM* - As Battlesuit Armoury This will allow a bit more of a buff to team leaders, as hey aren't generally much better than their ordinary comrades.

ALL drones now have the Fearless and Feel No Pain USRs. They're autonomous machines and they don't care!

Gun Drones - Now adopt unit type and any USRs (eg Drones attached to a Broadside team will be Slow & Purposeful). This just simplifies the selection of drones for a squad and their operation on the field.

Marker Drone - Cost dropped to 20pts. These were drastically over-priced IMHO.

Sniper Drone *NEW(ish) ITEM* - Added to Battlesuit/Infantry wargear lists (20pts). Gives more options for tailoring squads.

Command Link Drone *NEW ITEM* - WS 2 BS - S 3 T x W 1 I 4 A 1 LD x Sv x (20pts)
All Tau units (& Vepsid units with a Strain Leader) within 18" of the drone may use the owner's leadership value. Allows the good HQ's to help out the relatively low LD units.

Kroot Rifle - 18" Assault 2 Kroot are supposed to be close combat specialist IMHO, so let's give them a weapon that suits that.

Kroot Grenade *NEW ITEM* - Simple black powder bombs, count as assault grenades in all respects

Markerlight *NEW(ish) ITEM* - See above for new definition; where specified only, not available for purchase as infantry wargear.

Networked Markerlight *NEW(ish) ITEM* - See above for new definition; where specified only, not available for purchase as infantry wargear.

Photon Grenade - Now counts as an assault grenades as well as a defensive grenade. Why could they be used to disorient an enemy when they attack you, but not to disorient the enemy when you attack them??

Pulse Carbine - 15" Assault 2, Pinning This weapon needs more firepower IMHO but I didn't want it treading on the toes of the Pulse Rifle, hence the range drop.

Pulse Rifle - Rapid fire range now 15"/30" You can actually shoot without risk of being assaulted!!

Rail Rifle - Heavy 1, Sniper simplified rules that match the purpose of this weapon

Vespid Neutron Blaster - Same stats, Template weapon. Tell me you won't take them now…

Vehicle Armoury
Note: unless a points value is given new items cannot be purchased; they will just be specified in the appropriate unit entry

Decoy Launchers - Now allows re-roll of damage from all glancing hits. This was justed to limited too be useful before

Disruption Pod - Dropped (!) Now you've picked yourself up off the floor, I suggest replacing it with the items below which are more in keeping with equipment for the rest of the army

Stealth Field Generator *NEW ITEM* - As per Battlesuit item, roll 2d6 x 3 to see the vehicle (10pts)

Shield Generator - As per Battlesuit item, confers a 4+ invulnerable save to the vehicle (20pts)

Positional Relay *NEW(ish) ITEM* - Adds +1 to reserve rolls (10pts) Unimaginative but necessary piece of vehicle equipment

Marker Beacon *NEW ITEM* - Support System that allows re-roll of deep strike scatter within line of sight (10pts). This item is taken from the Pathfinders Devilfish and will now just be an upgrade option for all suits/vehicles.

Jamming Pod *NEW ITEM* - Support System that puts enemy reserve rolls at -1 (10pts). Unimaginative but necessary piece of suit/vehicle equipment

Flechette Dischargers - One shot, Str 4 AP - attack against all assaulting models, before they take their attacks (5pts). Simpifies this item

Gun Drones - Clarification of rules: Count as passengers travelling in an open topped vehicle (at no penalty to the vehicle for damage rolls etc). Once deployed all the drones from a vehicle or squadron of vehicles form a separate, unit following the
rules for a drone squadron, but they do not count towards kill points (Drone squadrons now have some additional limitations, refer to the unit entry, which mean that vehicle drones aren't particularly good once deployed). The drones are carried in a stabilised mounting on the vehicle, allowing them to fire so long as the vehicle would still be allowed to fire one weapon, even if the vehicle has moved faster than would normally allow passengers to fire

Hammerhead Railgun - Now ignores cover in both modes. I wanted this to be noticably different to the Broadside weapon. I considered heavy 2, but that would be too powerful IMHO. Ignoring cover is a useful upgrade and is supported by the fluff (Hammerhead rounds have been known to go straight through a Leman Russ and out the other side!)

Hammerhead Ion Cannon - No changes to stats Name changed to clarify item

Landing Gear - Now always works, providing the vehicle hasn't moved, simplifies operation

Multi-tracker - Rules changed; now allows the vehicle to fire as if it had moved at the next lowest speed category (eg. A fast vehicle moving flat out would still be able to fire one weapon). Makes this equipment effective for more of the Tau vehicles

Seeker Missiles - Rule wording simplified, "hits a markerlighted target on a 2+", rules used to talk about "as if BS5" which just isn't
necessary. Now equipped with a dual-mode warhead, keeps Krak mode as existing, but adds Frag mode: Str 4 AP 6 Blast.

Sensor Spines - Now just allow re-roll of dangerous terrain tests, simplifies operation

Targetting Array - Price changed to 10pts, keeps it consistent with the other armouries

Long-barrelled Burst Cannon *NEW ITEM* - 36" Str 5 AP 5 Heavy 3. Additional vehicle weapon option to improve flexibility

Heavy Fusion Blaster *NEW ITEM* - 24" Str 8 AP 1 Melta. Additional vehicle weapon option to improve flexibility

Broadside Railgun *NEW(ish) ITEM* - Railgun: 72" Str 10 AP 1, Submunitions: 72" Str 6 AP 4 Blast. Additional vehicle weapon option to improve flexibility

Tau Forces
The existing stats don't quite tie up from unit to unit. Battlesuits add S +1 T +2 W +1 (as existing)

Rank WS BS S T W I A LD
Shas'o 4 5 3 3 3 3 4 10
Shas'el 3 4 3 3 2 3 3 9
Shas'vre 3 4 3 3 1 3 2 8
Shas'ui 2 3 3 3 1 2 2 8
Shas'la 2 3 3 3 1 2 1 7

Crisis Commander - No longer 1+ Free choice of HQ? Yay!

Crisis Bodyguard - No access to special issue items

Ethereal - Honour guard now uses the Elite Fire Warrior unit*. Doesn't count as a choice under the Force Organisation Chart (* This is a new unit, see below) Wargear: shield generator, C&C Node. This gives the Ethereal some kind of save and a bigger buff to surrounding units. Inspiring Presence unchanged. Price of Failure modified as follows: If a unit fails the morale check caused by this rule they may not regroup, regardless of unit strength or if they are bonded. If passed the unit gains the Fearless and Preferred Enemy USRs plus the "Take them down!" rule. (Make this rule both better and worse!)
Take Them Down! - All Tau units (not auxiliaries or drones) may re-roll all shooting, including scatter on blast weapons. Represents the fluff of Tau pouring more fire onto the enemy.

Water Caste Envoy *NEW UNIT* - (40pts) WS 2 BS 3 S 3 T 3 W 1 I 4 LD 10 Sv 4+ Wargear: Pulse Pistol, C&C Node
No Fire Warriors may be taken (except honour guard) All auxiliaries count as troops. May take an honour guard as per Ethereal. I wanted to have a HQ that represents the Tau's heavy reliance on auxiliary forces.

Crisis Team - Suits modified as above. No "team-leader" option - Shas'vre only (Team-leaders seem a bit redundant, particularly after
the other modifications I've made)

Stealth Team - Suits modified as above. No "team-leader" option - Shas'vre only. Shas'vre may upgrade standard suit markerlight to a networked markerlight for 5pts

Elite Fire Warriors *NEW UNIT* - Shas'vre stats at 15pts/model +10 points to upgrade one member to Shas'el stats. All options as per normal Fire Warrior squad*. It just seems like a good idea to have an elite unit that isn't a battlesuit. (* Note: the Fire Warrior squad options have been modified, see below).

Fire Warriors - Photon grenades as standard (still 10pts/model) Making them a bit better rather than reducing cost. No "team-leader" option - Shas'ui only. Shas'ui may take a markerlight for 5pts or a networked markerlight for 10pts. 2 Fire Warriors (not the Shas'ui) may exchange their pulse rifles/carbines for Rail Rifles for 10pts (as per Pathfinders), this allows a bit of heavy fire power in the squad without making them Guardsmen.

Devilfish - Fast skimmer, Tank, with 2 gun drones, 1 long-barrelled burst cannon and 12 model transport capacity. Access to all options in the vehicle armoury but no weapon upgrades. Essentially I want to split the Devilfish into two variants a la Rhino/Razorback. One is purely for ferrying troops, the other is basically a light tank.

Warfish - Devilfish variant, skimmer, Tank, with 2 gun drones, 1 long-barrelled burst cannon and 8 model transport capacity. Access to all options in the vehicle armoury and weapon upgrades as follows:
Gun drones may be replaced with a smart missile system for 10pts or 2 independently firing long-barrelled burst cannons for 20pts (as per the existing Hammerhead)
The long-barrelled burst-cannon may be replaced with a Heavy Fusion Blaster for 20pts or a Broadside Railgun for 30pts

Kroot - Shapers are now 1+ for 17pts. All Kroot (not kroot hounds) have a 6+ armour save. The shaper allows kroot grenades to be taken at 1pt/kroot (not including hounds). Krootox are dropped as an option. Kroot gain the Move Through Cover USR. Shapers may take Tau armour for a 4+ save for 5pts

Gue'vesa - Human Auxiliaries 5-10 standard guardsmen 7pts/model. 0-1 Sergeant for 17pts. Sergeant may take pulse carbine/rifle for 5pts and Tau armour for a 4+ save for 3pts

Gun Drone Squadron - Dropped Replaced by Drone Squadron, see below.

Drone Squadron - Fast attack, 1+ Command Link Drone, 2+ Gun Drone, 0- 5 other drones, all as wargear descriptions (including cost). Automatons - When drones are deployed as an independent unit they rely on orders from the Tau commander to be relayed via the drone squadron's Command Link Drone. At the start of the turn the drone squadron must take a leadership test. This can be taken using the leadership value of any HQ with a Command Link Drone or Command and Control node, providing the squadron still has it's own Command Link Drone. If they pass they may act normally, if they fail the squadron reverts to autonomous Sentry Mode.
Sentry Mode - the drone squadron holds their position and will only attempt to shoot the nearest enemy unit within line of sight.
This gives more options to the drone squadrons but also prevents them from being over-powered (remember they are now Fearless and Feel No Pain!)

Pathfinders - Photon grenades as standard as per fire Warriors. No "team-leader" option - Shas'ui only. Shas'ui may upgrade standard markerlight to a networked markerlight for 5pts. Devilfish/Warfish transport now optional. Unit gains the Stealth and Move Through Cover USRs. Combined with shorter range Assault markerlights means they should be upfront, actually pathfinding!

Pirahnas - Now 40pts/model but with a squadron size of 1-3, 2 gun drones and 1 long-barrlled burst cannon as standard armament. Reduced cost, otherwise why would you take these when you can take a devilfish?
Gun drones may be replaced with a smart missile system for 10pts or 2 independently firing long-barrelled burst cannons for 20pts (as per Hammerhead). The long-barrelled burst-cannon may be replaced with a Heavy Fusion Blaster for 20pts or a Broadside Railgun for 30pts. More weapons options to make this a more flexible unit.

Vespid - Neutron blaster upgraded to template waepon, as above. Close combat attacks count as rending (Fluff states that they have diamond hard talons). Gain Hit & Run USR. All changes are to make them a more formidable close combat unit, that you might actually want to spend the points on!

Knarloc Riders *NEW UNIT* - Cavalry, 3-12 unit size, some (0-3?) may be upgraded with Kroot guns. I don't have the Imperial Armour rulebook for these, but it fits with the auxiliaries theme, gives an additional Fast Attack option and cavalry is fairly unusual so adds to the unique feel of a Tau force.

Broadside Team - Suits modified as above. No "team-leader" option - Shas'vre only. May replace the Twin-linked Railgun with either a Twinlinked Long-barrelled Burst Cannon, a Twin-linked Heavy Fusion Blaster or a Twin-linked Broadside Ion Cannon. May replace the Smart Missile System with either a Twin-linked Plasma Rifle or a Twin-linked Missile pod. These really needed a lot more options to provide a useful, flexible, heavy support choice.

Hammerhead - Main weapons unchanged, 2 gun drones as standard support weapon. Gun drones may be replaced with a smart missile system for 10pts or 2 independently firing long-barrelled burst cannons for 20pts (Standardised with other Tau vehicles). Access to all vehicle armoury options.

Skyray Missile Defence - 12 seeker missiles (6 on racks plus automatic reload of 6 from within the hull), the ammunition capacity was too small, limiting usefulness. Heavy Networked Markerlights 48" range, AA mount (ignores cover saves for turbo-boosting bikes/jet bikes and skimmers moving flat out). Again short range limited usefulness and the fluff describes this as an anti-aircraft weapon, much like the Hydra. 2 gun drones as standard support weapon
Gun drones may be replaced with a smart missile system for 10pts or 2 independently firing long-barrelled burst cannons for 20pts. Access to all vehicle armoury options, except additional seeker missiles are not allowed.

Special Characters
Remove the 1500pt force limit for all of them, why shouldn't they be used in a smaller game?!

Aun'va - Update the price of failure as per normal Ethereal, see above. Change the 4+ cover saves to 4+ invulnerable as too many weapons ignore over! Honour Guards have S 3 this appears to be a typo where they've copied the 3(5) from the toughness stat. Aun'va now allows Elite Fire Warriors to be taken as troop choices.

O'Shovah (Farsight) - Allows Crisis suits to be taken as troops. The current rules aren't clear "Crisis teams are1+ the same as Fire Warriors"??? Just call them troops! No auxiliaries allowed (This is an update to cover the new auxiliaries introduced)

O'Shaserra (Shadowsun) - Allows Stealth suits to be taken as troops

I eagerly await the total demolition of my ideas!

Well seriously, fricken assault grenades would be a welcome sight for Tyranids. They could evolve to overrun whole civilizations but can't evolve some kind of spore to overcome branches and what not. Also, they didn't have to nerf the stuff that we already have by hiking the points cost so high fielding it would mainly be for fluff. The flyrant and fexes were extremely overpriced.

Unrealistically, something that actually make Space Wolves players sweat and have to think when facing Tyranids for a change. Some kind of awesome psychic power or rule that kicks the crap out of rune priest spammers. Like:

"Stormcaller my foot" - the Hive mind realizes the annoyance of a few ICs having the power to destroy an entire army and uses its awesome mind to lay the smack down on these Phil-Kelly-teacher's pets. Any army that have the letters "ace Wolves" at the end of their name will test on a 3D6 when using psychic powers, ANY double will result to a "Perils of the Warp". And, referring to no specific characters, any model using the powers with the words "... of the world wolf" and "... Hurricane" will test on a 5D6. (Have any of you tested how fast a 30-strong Hormagaunt unit evaporates after being hit by 2 murderous hurricanes?). lol

I would like to fix some shenanigans with Chaos Daemons and deep striking.

The reason daemons dont take psyker tests is because they are masters of the warp. So by the same fluff why is their deep strike still so random? Shouldnt they have a bit more influence over where they land? Now im not suggesting, that daemon players can pick and choose where they deep strike with no scatter. But perhaps be able to purchase a re-roll ability of some sort?

I feel if there was some little adjustment to daemons deepstriking then daemons would be a perfectly competitive army.

mrwittwer wrote:I would like to fix some shenanigans with Chaos Daemons and deep striking.

The reason daemons dont take psyker tests is because they are masters of the warp. So by the same fluff why is their deep strike still so random? Shouldnt they have a bit more influence over where they land? Now im not suggesting, that daemon players can pick and choose where they deep strike with no scatter. But perhaps be able to purchase a re-roll ability of some sort?

I feel if there was some little adjustment to daemons deepstriking then daemons would be a perfectly competitive army.

I'd second that. After a few deepstrikes it gets tougher NOT to hit your own or your enemy's units.

dpaul wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:I would like to fix some shenanigans with Chaos Daemons and deep striking.

The reason daemons dont take psyker tests is because they are masters of the warp. So by the same fluff why is their deep strike still so random? Shouldnt they have a bit more influence over where they land? Now im not suggesting, that daemon players can pick and choose where they deep strike with no scatter. But perhaps be able to purchase a re-roll ability of some sort?

I feel if there was some little adjustment to daemons deepstriking then daemons would be a perfectly competitive army.

I'd second that. After a few deepstrikes it gets tougher NOT to hit your own or your enemy's units.

It also tends to be difficult not to be shot to death after a bad scatter with the daemons, especially in a bloodletter-heavy army. People often tell me to get a better formation, but they generally don't realize how difficult that becomes when EVERY GODDAMN UNIT deepstrikes in.

Maybe for some extra points, assault the turn they arrive? It may need a large price tag, but it would certainly help out.


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I would also get rid of all of this space marine supplementary codex nonsense. GW needs to stop making SM (or SW's) and add some creativity to the other races. What about the Tau septs? What about the Eldar Craftworlds? Instead of adding more codexes, make the army codexes larger and more interesting.

crazypsyko666 wrote:

dpaul wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:I would like to fix some shenanigans with Chaos Daemons and deep striking.

The reason daemons dont take psyker tests is because they are masters of the warp. So by the same fluff why is their deep strike still so random? Shouldnt they have a bit more influence over where they land? Now im not suggesting, that daemon players can pick and choose where they deep strike with no scatter. But perhaps be able to purchase a re-roll ability of some sort?

I feel if there was some little adjustment to daemons deepstriking then daemons would be a perfectly competitive army.

I'd second that. After a few deepstrikes it gets tougher NOT to hit your own or your enemy's units.

It also tends to be difficult not to be shot to death after a bad scatter with the daemons, especially in a bloodletter-heavy army. People often tell me to get a better formation, but they generally don't realize how difficult that becomes when EVERY GODDAMN UNIT deepstrikes in.

Maybe for some extra points, assault the turn they arrive? It may need a large price tag, but it would certainly help out.

It would help out, but it would need to be restricted to weaker units. A bloodthirster deepstriking turn 1 and in combat the same round just wouldnt be fair.

I really just want a re-roll for a bad scatter in some form. For example the game is really not a lot of fun when my 375 point unit of bloodcrushers and skulltaker mounted mishaps and dies. The natural argument is icons, however that doesnt help turn 1. I want for say 25 points i can upgrade a unit to re-roll their scatter. This way expensive or key units dont die before hitting the table.

mrwittwer wrote:

crazypsyko666 wrote:

dpaul wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:I would like to fix some shenanigans with Chaos Daemons and deep striking.

The reason daemons dont take psyker tests is because they are masters of the warp. So by the same fluff why is their deep strike still so random? Shouldnt they have a bit more influence over where they land? Now im not suggesting, that daemon players can pick and choose where they deep strike with no scatter. But perhaps be able to purchase a re-roll ability of some sort?

I feel if there was some little adjustment to daemons deepstriking then daemons would be a perfectly competitive army.

I'd second that. After a few deepstrikes it gets tougher NOT to hit your own or your enemy's units.

It also tends to be difficult not to be shot to death after a bad scatter with the daemons, especially in a bloodletter-heavy army. People often tell me to get a better formation, but they generally don't realize how difficult that becomes when EVERY GODDAMN UNIT deepstrikes in.

Maybe for some extra points, assault the turn they arrive? It may need a large price tag, but it would certainly help out.

It would help out, but it would need to be restricted to weaker units. A bloodthirster deepstriking turn 1 and in combat the same round just wouldnt be fair.

Well, that's exactly what I was thinking.

Give it to the weak and fragile with a +20-30 point price tag and you've got a useable ability that's not game-breaking and can do some damn good damage. Besides, a bloodthirster's fast enough to get wherever it needs to go whenever it needs to get there.

Out of interest, do the Warp Spiders have a Pheonix Lord? If so they should add him.

Snikkyd wrote:Out of interest, do the Warp Spiders have a Pheonix Lord? If so they should add him.

No they don't. I'd like one too, i think i posted an idea for mine in the 'make a special character' thread, i'll see if i can find it.

Space Marines

Jump Packs give +1 attack, consequentially an increase in price for HQs to take them (+5 pts?)
Assault Marine price stays the same, move them to troops (bearing in mind the above)
Reduced price for Vangaurd Vets, 1 free power sword or lightning claw for each 5men in the squad, free jump packs
Scouts can purchase an upgrade once for each 5 members of the squad which gives their close combat weapon a poisoned 2+ to wound, for around 5 points, maybe 10.

I wish i had read every forum/tourny report imaginable before buying a codex and spending about $700 on models/paint only to discover that GW certainly has spoiled races that will always stay top tier armies while others get the short end of the stick if not entirely shafted. but hey, i can always go play chess when i want a truly even match.

For Imperial Guard:
-Ogryns, costing maybe like 25 point each instead of 40.
-Stormtroopers not sucking, giving them 3 or 4 special weapons instead of 2.
Can't think of anything else at the moment...Oh, make the Vanquisher BS4.

How about letting Orks take Big Choppas as special weapons like big shootas and rokkits? it would certainly give trukk boyz some extra power.

Look at the new space wolf psychic powers, go on, I know you have the codex. Now look at the CSM psychic powers. Why, oh why do my Thousand sons have 1 god specific power ? It's not even that good for the price. Then the Ignorant, beer drinking, unlettered savages who let horus trick them into destroying a loyal, brother legion (because they were psychic) gets all these badass spells. How about hooking 1k sons up with the spells they deserve?

annabelle wrote:Look at the new space wolf psychic powers, go on, I know you have the codex. Now look at the CSM psychic powers. Why, oh why do my Thousand sons have 1 god specific power ? It's not even that good for the price. Then the Ignorant, beer drinking, unlettered savages who let horus trick them into destroying a loyal, brother legion (because they were psychic) gets all these badass spells. How about hooking 1k sons up with the spells they deserve?

QFT

And it should be noted that Bolt of Change, is crappy as all hell.

Orks.

HQs can take rokkit packs.

Werid boy has wargear options and loose the roll on a chart for his power. Give each power its own point cost. Warpheads get 2 powers.

Have lootas become heavys.

Tank bustas become heavys and loose glory hog.

Flash gits elites.

Tyranids
Have the trygon be able to assualt when it comes up.
Have guants have a better initiative and armor save.
Have extended carapace make there armor save better.
Have the carnifex have a high initiative and mofre attacks.

Grambo wrote:Tyranids
Have the trygon be able to assualt when it comes up.

Give shooty armies the ability to shoot from off table

Grambo wrote:Have guants have a better initiative and armor save.

have them eateach other if they fail ldr

Grambo wrote:Have extended carapace make there armor save better.
Have the carnifex have a high initiative and mofre attacks.
increase the toughness of my guys so they cant be instant deathed

Grambo wrote:Tyranids
Have the trygon be able to assualt when it comes up.
Have guants have a better initiative and armor save.
Have extended carapace make there armor save better.
Have the carnifex have a high initiative and mofre attacks.

TBH, i don't think any of theese changes are nescessary, sorry.

And sorry guys, i can;t find my idea for an eldar warp spider pheonix lord.

Grambo wrote:Tyranids
Have the trygon be able to assualt when it comes up.
Have guants have a better initiative and armor save.
Have extended carapace make there armor save better.
Have the carnifex have a high initiative and mofre attacks.

They also need death strike missiles that hit on turn 1 with no scatter and unlimited range.

Grambo wrote:Tyranids
Have the trygon be able to assualt when it comes up.
Have guants have a better initiative and armor save.
Have extended carapace make there armor save better.
Have the carnifex have a high initiative and mofre attacks.

and dont forget about the instant death strength 1 guns.

shas'o vera wrote:

Grambo wrote:Tyranids
Have the trygon be able to assualt when it comes up.
Have guants have a better initiative and armor save.
Have extended carapace make there armor save better.
Have the carnifex have a high initiative and mofre attacks.

and dont forget about the instant death strength 1 guns.

you forgot to mention assault 100, range 72''

shas'o vera wrote:
and dont forget about the instant death strength 1 guns.

Actually an instant death Str1 gun might be vaguely interesting, as it would basically always wound on a 6 (and only up to T4) but would ignore the wounds statistic and Feel No Pain...

Jack

Eldar Own wrote:

Grambo wrote:Tyranids
Have the trygon be able to assualt when it comes up.
Have guants have a better initiative and armor save.
Have extended carapace make there armor save better.
Have the carnifex have a high initiative and mofre attacks.

TBH, i don't think any of theese changes are nescessary, sorry.

And sorry guys, i can;t find my idea for an eldar warp spider pheonix lord.

What a coincidence, I am currently in the process of making my own spider pheonix lord! (just love those cuddly little guys..... I mean what?)

I'll post it and the model pics when I'm done. (should be within the week).

CrazyThang wrote:

Eldar Own wrote:

Grambo wrote:Tyranids
Have the trygon be able to assualt when it comes up.
Have guants have a better initiative and armor save.
Have extended carapace make there armor save better.
Have the carnifex have a high initiative and mofre attacks.

TBH, i don't think any of theese changes are nescessary, sorry.

And sorry guys, i can;t find my idea for an eldar warp spider pheonix lord.

What a coincidence, I am currently in the process of making my own spider pheonix lord! (just love those cuddly little guys..... I mean what?)

I'll post it and the model pics when I'm done. (should be within the week).

Great! I look forward to seeing it!

Nuff Said

Ok I know people get bent out of shape over the whole "Tau need close combat" issue. I think the need a single unit type that is not only capable of performing the assault but also capable of making it there relatively intact. Since most people think the vespid are horrible all around (no personal opinion as I havn't used them yet) they seem to be the most fitting for this upgrade. I'm not great at the changing the rules thing but since they are jump infantry the blaster should stay the same but their stats should be adjusted for surviving close combat. Rather than giving over half the army rending like I saw in a previous post just give the Vespid rending. This gives the Tau a close combat unit that several want and fixes a unit a lot of people hate. The only other change I would like to see is gun drones not counting as a kill point only if they came off of a vehicle. Tau bring enough kill points to the table. I don't see a need for a transport (devilfish) to have the chance to be worth 2 kill points. Especially as easy to kill as 2 drones would be. Yes I know a full Piranha squad would have a 10 drone squad left behind but as many points as youd be paying thats ok with me.

The piranha should no longer be a requirement for the pathfinders; however; it should be switch to if they take one they are allowed to infiltrate. If they don't take it they can't have infiltrate or any other scout like abilities. This makes how you take them determine their role. If you want them to be fire support with the rifles in the distance you can or if you want them close markerlight creators you can do that as well. To push the separate roles further you could increase the rifle cost but lower the individual unit cost (small amounts to maintain balance) and increase the number of rifles you can take. I wouldn't change the rifle profile though since a small squad of them is my ideal monstrous creature killer.

For the chaos codex:

I think lords and sorcerers should be able to have access to 'cultist marine' abilities like feel no pain, inferno bolts, furious charge, etc. They should be able to get things like demon armor (2+) save and an iron halo (maybe just a 1 per army thing)

The chaos land raider needs to get the space marine version of 'power of the machine spirit' since they're supposed to be exactly the same.

Obliterators should be S5 T5 W3 and have access to sonic weaponry (they're obliterators, surely they can do that), chainfists, lightning claws (if they can change their ranged weapons, they should logically be able to do it for close combat special weapons). It would make them super-powerful though and I can see why they would leave them as they are.

Demon princes should get daemon weapons.

Chaos lords should be able to get access to the standard demon weapon regardless of the mark they have (well, I'm still debating this).

Cultists would be cool and kind of funny.

Raptors should be able to buy special rules like hit and run and demonic visage to represent the super-badass ones that have been around for thousands of years. Or make a chosen version of raptors with such skills.

Chaos marines should be able to get veteran skills again (or at least chosen), unless they can already--I can't remember since I don't use them.

Chaos and marine codex:

Increase the WS and BS of some units, mainly the commanders, who should be getting WS and BS of around 7 and maybe a higher initiative by like 1 point. Veterans should be getting WS and BS of 5, not just marines with extra options. Being incredibly awesome according to the fluff, they should be a lot stronger.



Though, honestly, I would like to see marines match their fluff a bit more than what my changes and the codex would/already does. I'm talking something like WS5 BS5 S5 T5 W2 I5 A3 LD9/10 with assault X bolters (like some people at my store did). But I know that won't happen and maybe it's for the best.

A harlequin special character would be awesome.

Likely too, but unfortunately new character usualy aren't that great.

You have any proposed rules for that guy Snikkyd? Seems like an interesting character.

Distortionist wrote:You have any proposed rules for that guy Snikkyd? Seems like an interesting character.

Hmmm, I'm not sure, but I guess I could make some.

I'm sure they would have something that makes Harlequins beter (lol), like they all gain a special ability or something.

Snikkyd wrote:

Distortionist wrote:You have any proposed rules for that guy Snikkyd? Seems like an interesting character.

Hmmm, I'm not sure, but I guess I could make some.

I'm sure they would have something that makes Harlequins beter (lol), like they all gain a special ability or something.

Hmm.... well harlequins aren't aspect warriors, and i would much prefer a warp spider pheonix lord, i think maybe ther troupe master should give them more benefits, let's make him a bit better instead.

Hellguns upgraded.
Hellguns upgraded.
HELLGUNS UPGRADED.

As it stands--absolute trash.


Then, Hellguns available to "Grenadier" Veterans as an actual upgrade(wtf were they thinking on that one anyways?)

yes, harlequin solitaire: just picture it.

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:
The last thing I would adjust is the Noise Marines. They are really expensive and only worth taking if you take the Sonic weaponry, which is opverpriced for what you get, to say the least. I would probably knock down the prices for tham a little.

Basiically that!

Eldar:
Higher Initiative for Guardians (if Eldar are supposedly quick and agile why do Guardians have an average Initiative of 4 even if they're on Jetbikes as well?)
Allow Fire Prism Squadrons
Reduce the cost of EVERYTHING (only slightly but IMO Guardians are not worth 8 points per model - 6 would be fair considering they are similar to Tyranid Termies which are cheaper)
Have a Warp Spider and Shining Spear Phoenix Lord
Avatar with Feel No Pain and Immune to Instant Death and Higher Initiative
Increase ALL VEHICLES Balistic Skill by 1 (except for Wave Serpents and possibly War Walkers)
Shining Spear Lance weapons with slightly larger range (12" would be nice )
Striking Scorpions with Fleet of Foot
Make Fire Prism armour 13 at front and 11 at back
Wraithlords with Balistic Skill 5 and a 4+ Invunrible Save
Autarch and Exarchs with Higher Strength and Toughness
Warlocks with Leadership 10
Phoenix Lords with more wounds

Yes it's a long but it is what should happen IMO. Obviously none of these will happen to be honest but Eldar need these upgrades. I could have thought of more if I had the time.

Let Immortals upgrade to TL Gauss Cannons so I can field a squad of these guys:

reidy1113 wrote:Eldar:
Allow Fire Prism Squadrons
Reduce the cost of EVERYTHING (only slightly but IMO Guardians are not worth 8 points per model - 6 would be fair considering they are similar to Tyranid Termies which are cheaper)
Avatar with Feel No Pain and Immune to Instant Death and Higher Initiative
Increase ALL VEHICLES Balistic Skill by 1 (except for Wave Serpents and possibly War Walkers)
Shining Spear Lance weapons with slightly larger range (12" would be nice )
Make Fire Prism armour 13 at front and 11 at back
Wraithlords with Balistic Skill 5 and a 4+ Invunrible Save
Autarch and Exarchs with Higher Strength and Toughness
Phoenix Lords with more wounds

All of these changes would make eldar extremely overpowered. BS5 and 4++ on wraithlord would need to make him 200 points base. Making everything better and cheaper never fixes anything. Just makes one army rediculously overpowered.

mrwittwer wrote:

reidy1113 wrote:Eldar:
Allow Fire Prism Squadrons
Reduce the cost of EVERYTHING (only slightly but IMO Guardians are not worth 8 points per model - 6 would be fair considering they are similar to Tyranid Termies which are cheaper)
Avatar with Feel No Pain and Immune to Instant Death and Higher Initiative
Increase ALL VEHICLES Balistic Skill by 1 (except for Wave Serpents and possibly War Walkers)
Shining Spear Lance weapons with slightly larger range (12" would be nice )
Make Fire Prism armour 13 at front and 11 at back
Wraithlords with Balistic Skill 5 and a 4+ Invunrible Save
Autarch and Exarchs with Higher Strength and Toughness
Phoenix Lords with more wounds

All of these changes would make eldar extremely overpowered. BS5 and 4++ on wraithlord would need to make him 200 points base. Making everything better and cheaper never fixes anything. Just makes one army rediculously overpowered.

unless.........
YOU MAKE ALL THE ARMIES THAT WAY
problem solved

reidy1113 wrote:Eldar:
Higher Initiative for Guardians (if Eldar are supposedly quick and agile why do Guardians have an average Initiative of 4 even if they're on Jetbikes as well?)
Allow Fire Prism Squadrons
Reduce the cost of EVERYTHING (only slightly but IMO Guardians are not worth 8 points per model - 6 would be fair considering they are similar to Tyranid Termies which are cheaper)
Have a Warp Spider and Shining Spear Phoenix Lord
Avatar with Feel No Pain and Immune to Instant Death and Higher Initiative
Increase ALL VEHICLES Balistic Skill by 1 (except for Wave Serpents and possibly War Walkers)
Shining Spear Lance weapons with slightly larger range (12" would be nice )
Striking Scorpions with Fleet of Foot
Make Fire Prism armour 13 at front and 11 at back
Wraithlords with Balistic Skill 5 and a 4+ Invunrible Save
Autarch and Exarchs with Higher Strength and Toughness
Warlocks with Leadership 10
Phoenix Lords with more wounds

Yes it's a long but it is what should happen IMO. Obviously none of these will happen to be honest but Eldar need these upgrades. I could have thought of more if I had the time.

Just to adress each point specificly.
1. They are still "civilians" in the Eldar sense. Basic troops in the game sense. Now 5 I probably wouldn't make them OP, but is there really a need for it?
2. I'd love to take 9 prisms thanks! (Incredibly OP if they did this without increasing costs exponentially)
3. This seems to come up a lot. I honestly think only some units are overcosted for what they do, not all.
4. Woohoo! Two more units no one would field!
5. FnP: No. Immune to Instant Death: Yes. But with toughness 6 the only things instant deathing him will be weapons that... cause instant death. And isn't his I 6? That's pretty high.
6. The only one I would raise by 1 is actually the war walker. But in a technological sense most vehicles in this game should never miss so...
7. Shining Spears are already too expensive to field without basing an entire army around them.
8. Scorps are in heavy aspect armor. Nothing in it can fleet. (Spiders, reapers, etc.)
9. People always seem to forget that range is a fire prism's best defense. Also why would it be a higher AV if it is on the exact same chassis as a serpent and falcon?
10. BS: eh... fluff wise they are probably not the most accurate things in the universe but I would also enjoy it at 5. 4++: it would be nice to have some kind of ++ save, but as was previously mentioned, do we really want them to be 200 pts base?
11. They are still Eldar.
12. Yes
13. Once again, it would make an already overpriced, underused unit (or group of units rather) even more expensive.

Just my two cents about these as an Eldar player.

I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.

Imperial Guard:

I'd personally like to see an upgrade to medics. So that if the PCS takes a Medic the whole platoon gets FNP, but increases the cost of a medic to perhaps 50-60pts.
Or give the medic an area of effect of 6"

mrwittwer wrote:I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.

I can definitley see it possible if the S/T were dropped some but overall I personally am happy with lords as they are. Though of course all my thoughts about them are largely theory as they have just arrived today.

CrazyThang wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.

I can definitley see it possible if the S/T were dropped some but overall I personally am happy with lords as they are. Though of course all my thoughts about them are largely theory as they have just arrived today.

Me too, they have a 3+ save and are T8, that's pretty tough as it is. I don't think they need an inv save. BS5 would be good but i'd prefer WS5. Really though i don't mind, wraithlords are good as they are.

Eldar Own wrote:

CrazyThang wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.

I can definitley see it possible if the S/T were dropped some but overall I personally am happy with lords as they are. Though of course all my thoughts about them are largely theory as they have just arrived today.

Me too, they have a 3+ save and are T8, that's pretty tough as it is. I don't think they need an inv save. BS5 would be good but i'd prefer WS5. Really though i don't mind, wraithlords are good as they are.

Bringing up WS... I would love to run swordlords, but the 2 attacks just seem to be a slap in the face... even with rerolls...

CrazyThang wrote:

Eldar Own wrote:

CrazyThang wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.

I can definitley see it possible if the S/T were dropped some but overall I personally am happy with lords as they are. Though of course all my thoughts about them are largely theory as they have just arrived today.

Me too, they have a 3+ save and are T8, that's pretty tough as it is. I don't think they need an inv save. BS5 would be good but i'd prefer WS5. Really though i don't mind, wraithlords are good as they are.

Bringing up WS... I would love to run swordlords, but the 2 attacks just seem to be a slap in the face... even with rerolls...

I totally agree!! It's probably my biggest problem with the eldar codex. I think that wraitguard should be brought up to 2 attacks and wraithlords up to at least 3, if not 4.

Eldar Own wrote:

CrazyThang wrote:

Eldar Own wrote:

CrazyThang wrote:

mrwittwer wrote:I think we could make Wraithlords BS5 and a 4++ if they are reduced to S6 T6 and cost 175 base. I realized at S10 T8 with a 4++ that this is even more durable than a landraider. At T8 and a 4++ it would take around 8 railgun shots to kill it. at least 250 if not more. Extremely over powered.

I can definitley see it possible if the S/T were dropped some but overall I personally am happy with lords as they are. Though of course all my thoughts about them are largely theory as they have just arrived today.

Me too, they have a 3+ save and are T8, that's pretty tough as it is. I don't think they need an inv save. BS5 would be good but i'd prefer WS5. Really though i don't mind, wraithlords are good as they are.

Bringing up WS... I would love to run swordlords, but the 2 attacks just seem to be a slap in the face... even with rerolls...

I totally agree!! It's probably my biggest problem with the eldar codex. I think that wraitguard should be brought up to 2 attacks and wraithlords up to at least 3, if not 4.

I was actually thinking about this yesterday in an interesting way. Considering wraithsight and the (fairly limited) descriptions of 'lords, I am starting to find it hard to imagine them dueling with ballerina-like grace. I kinda just imagine them plodding along, stopping in front of an enemy, swinging in a huge arc with their sword, and moving on. I mean it's cool to imagine them doing cool stuff (such as that oh so awsome "Stalking Wraithlord") but in all reality they are contructs controlled by ghosts that occasionally go dumb. *Sigh* Logic

BUT I don't read any black library or older codices or anything so please tell me I'm wrong

Dark Eldar:

Just looking at existing models and wargear.
Squadrons for Talos and Ravagers
I would like the webway portal to come into play on turn 1 like a drop pod (deep strike, stop at terrain) instead of someone having to carry it and place it.
game size requirements stripped from special characters.
Mandrakes to have the ability to get a sergeant that can buy wargear.
soul seeker ammunition become cheap and available to basic warriors (2-3 point upgrade).
scourges to have a dual fire weapon that allows them a heavy choice and an assault choice.
Hellions to have their hellglaive be an assault weapon instead of a rapid fire, as they're a hit and run unit.
Raiders able to move 12" and still allow units on board to shoot. (they can shoot if they get off, why can't they shoot if they stay on).
CC attacks for raiders and ravagers.

For new stuff, I'd like an expansion on the psychological warfare the DE can already do with horrorfexes and other special equipment.
Weapons along the lines of guns that inflict penalties on ld tests for this shooting turn.
maybe a weapon that doesn't pin, but makes models fall back d6 inches if they fail a ld test, but they regroup after moving.
etc..

Give land raiders either a dozer blade type upgrade, or give them a rule allowing them to reroll failed dangerous terrain tests.


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Tank squads for SM would be kind of fun!