Anyone have any pictures or battle reports from the 1st day? Would love to know how everyone is doing so far.

Update the fallen DID NOT I REPEAT DID NOT!!!! bring the terrain to the event... way to go in making your club look stupid! You guys came on dakka with your first posts being an apology about the whole ordeal then you show real colors. So I have to say I am glad I am not in the NW anymore so I would never have to play against your club.

For those of you interested here is a link the the origonal thread.
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/273730.page

I went to Conquest. I also met with the group, the Fallen.
Who were outside the proximity.

I am not part of the fallen, FYI.

4-5 members of the fallen ARE GW MANAGERS/Employees in Washington State.
They were members of the fallen, before they became GW workers.

They were given by GW management to pull out of the Fallen until conquest was over.
Leaving the Fallen with a small number of members left.

The fallen did create X amount of gaming tables, Conquest Mondo did not pay in full.
Tables were not fulfilled due to non-payment.

After that - personal arguments spurred on both sides.

Thats when GW stepped in and pulled the GW Fallen members out to dissolve any association and further conflicts within the event coordinator and GW staff.




When I went to Conquest - I found security was not allowing any Fallen people from stepping grounds to the event.
Conquest did not want the Fallen's terrain anymore.

The event went on.





As for updates - pm me.
If you went to Conquest, and you saw two guys with HD cameras and SLR cam, thats me and my bud.

I am creating a video montage for Conquest NW, and also have army profiles showcasing some of the really cool armies we saw at Conquest.


I am no part of the Fallen, just wanted to make this point across out.

That's incredably bad when an event staff won't let you into the event. No matter how you take it the fallen brought this to the floor on dakka for well no real reason. As an outsider I am stating my opinon since hey they obviously wanted it otherwise they wouldn't have posted. To me this whole afair tarnishes them no matter which way the full truth is.

Er, lots of drama here.

Can we have actual 'witnesses' to the event report in before we slag them all off?

I realize that opinions differ, but lets keep it civil, OK?

Lets just keep the drama off, let the fallen and conquest people duke it out on their own accord.

i'll try to get the vids and pics done soon - just been busy today ;P

There were some seriously cool armies out there.

RogueMarket wrote:Lets just keep the drama off, let the fallen and conquest people duke it out on their own accord.

i'll try to get the vids and pics done soon - just been busy today ;P

There were some seriously cool armies out there.

Has it ended yet? and who are the winners looking like. Most of the world has the globes we have conquest!


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Congrats to the winners and the two going onto nationals: Nathan, and My good buddy(and mentor to the game) Gordon Chase Lindo.

EmpChild wrote:Update the fallen DID NOT I REPEAT DID NOT!!!! bring the terrain to the event... way to go in making your club look stupid! You guys came on dakka with your first posts being an apology about the whole ordeal then you show real colors. So I have to say I am glad I am not in the NW anymore so I would never have to play against your club.

We did try bringing the terrain to the GT. Had it there Friday night to hand over. Was told thanks but it was not needed, they had all the terrain that was needed.

RogueMarket: While I appreciate the support you are trying to give The Fallen. There are some inaccuracies in your information.

RougeMarket wrote:4-5 members of the fallen ARE GW MANAGERS/Employees in Washington State.
They were members of the fallen, before they became GW workers.

As far as actual current members of The Fallen that work for GW. There are 2.

RougeMarket wrote:They were given by GW management to pull out of the Fallen until conquest was over.
Leaving the Fallen with a small number of members left.

As far as I know no one was told to pull out of The Fallen. They were told to distance themselves from the drama of the current situation.

RougeMarket wrote:The fallen did create X amount of gaming tables, Conquest Mondo did not pay in full.
Tables were not fulfilled due to non-payment.

The Fallen is still waiting for payment on a remainder amount due. Conquest now has the receipts needed to ensure that payment is made. All the agreed upon tables were made for the GT.

RougeMarket wrote:When I went to Conquest - I found security was not allowing any Fallen people from stepping grounds to the event.

I was at the GT on Friday night during the Q&A session... and again today with another member of The Fallen.

I have tried to be polite and tactful... This thread was intended to be for people to come and share photos and battles reports to see how everyone did. It was cool seeing some nice armies at the event.

For 40K Overall 1st place was Nathaniel (Eldar) and 2nd Overall was Chase (Nightlords). Fantasy Overall was Jacob (Daemons /Slaanesh) and 2nd escapes me right now.

If anyone would like to discuss these issues further please send me a PM.

I got Chase's army on video, his night lords were definetly sweet.

RogueMarket wrote:I got Chase's army on video, his night lords were definetly sweet.

I remember when he built it back in 2003. He told me he hasn't changed a thing to it since.

Chase's army looked good. His bikes are on giant bases 40MMX60MM ish. He also did several movesin my game that he was triing to get away with something. Like move rhino's over 6 inches and fire out the top. He complained then asked if could deploy his guys out the dack instead. I let him. there were two or three examples of rule streching like that. Decent guy but if you play him you have to keep him honest.

I went 1-2-2. My two loses were down to me being a bad player and playing like a moron.

the terrian was really lite and some of the big pieces were pretty unplayable

Skipper, how did your boy Sparky do?

he finished with 80 battle points. We didn't stick around for the results because the -10 points he got from not painting his own army removed any chance he had.

Mr. Sparks won Best General. Nathaniel Williams won Best Overall with Chase winning 2nd Best Overall. Me on the otherhand never got in a groove, winning only 1 game, losing one (modified killpoints of which my army gave up 43!), and tying 3 others (All 3 ties came down to last turn.).

Overall I had fun, played 5 great games against good players with well painted armies. The only complaint is that every mission ended on the bottom of turn 6, giving the player going 2nd in the 4 missions that had objectives a huge advantage, as they knew when the game was going to end and hold off until that point.

skkipper wrote:Chase's army looked good. His bikes are on giant bases 40MMX60MM ish. He also did several movesin my game that he was triing to get away with something. Like move rhino's over 6 inches and fire out the top. He complained then asked if could deploy his guys out the dack instead. I let him. there were two or three examples of rule streching like that. Decent guy but if you play him you have to keep him honest.



the terrian was really lite and some of the big pieces were pretty unplayable

No offense but this SOUNDS and please correct if the statement is not what it appears to be, but sounds like your more bitter trying to drag his name through the mud. It comes across as he won but only throgh cheating. If the bases were to big oo well that is a hinderence to him and a bonus to opponents because that means less models in combat for him. I have known him since 2002 and he is a lot of things, but I have never known him to EVER cheat.

hey his bases are two big and that helps with blasts. I lost because I played a crappy game. He did try to do items which he knows are against the rules and only stopped when he was corrected.

Facts
He did try to fire out of a rhino moving over six.
He knew they moved over six.
then he asked to deploy his guys after he found out I wouldn't let him fire.I let him deploy his guys when it was well within my right to say no.

This is a player that is a good player and he tried to break the rules.



I gave him full sportsmanship scores. Would he rather me taken 3-5 points off the his score or point out his quirks so other gamers can be ready for him?

I was talking to a judge and he said he has heard similar stories from other players.

skkipper wrote:hey his bases are two big and that helps with blasts. I lost because I played a crappy game. He did try to do items which he knows are against the rules and only stopped when he was corrected.

Facts
He did try to fire out of a rhino moving over six.
He knew they moved over six.
then he asked to deploy his guys after he found out I wouldn't let him fire.I let him deploy his guys when it was well within my right to say no.

This is a player that is a good player and he tried to break the rules.



I gave him full sportsmanship scores. Would he rather me taken 3-5 points off the his score or point out his quirks so other gamers can be ready for him?

I was talking to a judge and he said he has heard similar stories from other players.

I spoke with him on this as I was curious. He did inform me that he didn't realize the rules about fireing out of a rhino, but I am guessing you were the white scars player? If so you know a blastmaster can move and shoot. Also he informed me that the movement issue couldn't have happened since he had you measuring more of the movements since the models were on your side of the table. Also the bases he was given permission by the tourney organizers so you can't have complaints their. All i'm saying is you came out and pretty much said ya he's a nice guy but he cheated, and it came across as more jelousy then hey he outplayed me, and the dice sucked for me. I see your points though but in my opinon was a little weak..

Now all that said WHERES THE PICS DANG NABBIT!

I went to conquestNW. I brought my last hurrah Nidzilla list. I went 2 wins, 1 loss and 2 draws. Dunno where I ended up, prolly middle of the pack.

My review:

Location: Was alright. We were squeezed in pretty tight TBH and they waited till the last game to crank the AC. Could be improved but not horrid.

Terrain: Crap. Props to those who worked hard and furious to get what was there but I didn't pay that kinda cash to play on such sparse boards. Mondo needs to stop taking advantage of volunteers and/or put things in writing. He is running a business and expecting business like results and yet isn't paying for it (and is getting what he paid for, costing us all a quality event in the area). All I have to say on the matter.

Missions: Ok. One was utterly horrid and shouldn't be used in such and event (ard boys modified killpoints). Two were draws for most folks (one dawn of war capture and control and one capture nad control spearhead where the objectives were forced into the center of the non-deployment quarters). The last two were fine (Spearhead sieze ground where the objective were forced into center of quarters -- with one in the middle).

Bright spot of the missions is they weren't using the massacre, minor level thing. They also added a secondary objective. Getting primary got ya 15, the secondary got ya 5. That mechanic is the only reason I'd rate the missions OK.

Operations: It was ok considering the lastminute way it was steup I guess. Check in was rediculous. Started late, required some kind of airport security style thing I did not understand and was a cluster in general. Other then that it was fine I guess. Rules judging was ok, did seem some rules knowledge/ymdc type stuff was unknown to them but it is a rare player that is up on all the ambiguities.

Paint Judging: Without seeing the scores, I have to say I am a bit baffled so far. Painting is so subjective though. But I can't say I had alot of time to check out armies and the way the scoring worked I imagine there were a few tiebreakers.

Also miffed at how many times we were asked to setup and then hurry off to make a game. I guess if anything it makes me less inclined to blowoff working on my display board.

Overall paint quality: Ehh. There were atleast two armies I saw that did not meet 3 colors and one that had an unpainted landraider. In a FLGS day to day gaming or tourny, I have no issue with that. But at a GT it shouldn't be allowed or encouraged. Same ole story though across the hobby I guess.

Also there were alot of higher end table top quality armies but nothing like what has been seen in other GTs. Kinda dissapointing tbh.

Players: I was blessed to have played 5 good guys that I would play again anytime: doc (Jason Dyer, not the dragon guy), asugradinwa (fun game, nice to have met ya!, Zen13 (now intrigued to attend his TSHFT tournaments), and two IG players who were great to play.

However it did seem like more then a few other games were tainted by the desire to make it to Vegas.

Non-GT events:A joke. I'd honestlty be a bit more sympathetic to the Conquest company if the rest of the con had been a big event -- alot to do, gotta have some folks step in. There was no reason to attend this event if you were not in the tournament. Having worked a bit on SpoCon in the much smaller city of Spokane in eastern washington -- the fact that they charged so much for so little was astounding.

Overall: Disappointing. I will likely not be back. For the same cost of travel and ticket I'd rather attend TSHFT, OFCC Astronomicon Vancouver, GottaCon -- hell even the little SpoCon and GameCon here in spokane will draw my attention more then Conquest will. I had 5 good games but I expect most of these guys will be at the other events mentioned above and I'd rather see them there.

Final Thoughts: Don't let my review of this GT sway you for the other ones. I do think the drama had a major impact on the event and perhaps the other events will go more smooth. However at the end of the day, I hold Mondo accountable. Forget what you think you know of the situation -- he is ultimately responsible for the quality of the con and he did not deliver. Lets hope he does in subsequent events.

no not the whitescars player berzerker player.


no Chase beat me on my deployment choice. I beat me with my lack of strategery from the oneset. so bad plan + poor dice vs good player equals horrible loss.

He won the event last year with a similar list if i recall. He should know his rules. otherwise it really looks bad. As he has gotten an invite to vegas the community deserves to know, He either "forgets" rules or he just doesn't know them.
Thus my statement if you play him you have to keep him honest.

skkipper wrote:no not the whitescars player berzerker player.


no Chase beat me on my deployment choice. I beat me with my lack of strategery from the oneset. so bad plan + poor dice vs good player equals horrible loss.

He won the event last year with a similar list if i recall. He should know his rules. otherwise it really looks bad. As he has gotten an invite to vegas the community deserves to know, He either "forgets" rules or he just doesn't know them.
Thus my statement if you play him you have to keep him honest.

gotcha, point understood.

Oh boy.................

Empchild: I'm not going to say who is right or who is wrong in the game between Keith (Skkipper) & Chase as I wasn't there because I was playing my own game.

You were not at the tournament so I'd try and stay out of any conflicts as all you are getting is second hand information at best.

Skkipper is NOT the White Scars player so if an issue came up regarding shooting out of a rhino that moved over 6" in or the size of Chase's bases 2 games that is not a good sign. Hopefully you misunderstood what Chase was telling you.

I KNOW you are incorrect about Chase's bases being oked:

I attended the judges meeting the night before and Chase's bases were not "OKed. The judge’s ruling was that if an opponent objected to the size of the bases used the player could then sub in models on the correct size bases and not be penalized for playing a different army then was presented for painting. However, I did not see Skkipper at the judges meeting the night before so he might not have been aware of the ruling to ask Chase to use the regular bases. If Skkipper was not aware of the ruling, had issues with the base sizes, and Chase said tough luck the judges oked them then Chase pulled a major party foul in my opinion. However, if Skkipper just grumbled to himself about bikes on big bases and never brought up the point then I don't think Chase was in the wrong. Either way, only Skkipper & Chase were at the game and know what went on between them.

Having never played Chase I don't know if he would be alright "Guestimating" how many models would fit under a blast if they had normal bases. Having briefly talked with Chase he seems like a good guy and would be willing to come to a compromise on something like that. I like Chase's army a lot and the bases are one of the great thematic elements that tie it all together, so the last thing I'd want is to have to have him play a bunch of grey models on black bases against me.

Skkipper allowing Chase's squad to disembark from a rhino in the shooting phase in order to shoot sounds like a VERY CLASSY sportsmanship move that he did not have to allow, and he should be commended for this.

I agree with Winterman. The event was pretty weak compared to other big events I have gone to. I would not recommend traveling to a conquest event until they get some issues ironed out. If it isin your hometown, sure go its a two day rogue trader, but it isn't GT level.

Winterman: I just bought my ticket to tsft today! Hopefully you and your other teammates will be able to make it over. That last game I had against Dann was AWESOME, and your nids held out against the dark lance barrage.

I actually think this year's Conquest NW was better then last year's, however I haven't seen the final scores yet so we'll see if the paint judging crazyness appears again. I'll be writing Mondo with the things I think could be improved upon.

No I don't mind emps comments. I didn't say anything about the bases, it just ticks a box in my head. I had a berzerker champ on the terminator base but I asked when he was deployed if people wanted it subistuted with the berzerker champ in my box. if he thought it was questionable enough to ask at the Q&A, he should have asked his opponents about it. imho

asugradinwa wrote:Oh boy.................

Empchild: I'm not going to say who is right or who is wrong in the game between Keith (Skkipper) & Chase as I wasn't there because I was playing my own game.

You were not at the tournament so I'd try and stay out of any conflicts as all you are getting is second hand information at best.

Skkipper is NOT the White Scars player so if an issue came up regarding shooting out of a rhino that moved over 6" in or the size of Chase's bases 2 games that is not a good sign. Hopefully you misunderstood what Chase was telling you.

I KNOW you are incorrect about Chase's bases being oked:

I attended the judges meeting the night before and Chase's bases were not "OKed. The judge’s ruling was that if an opponent objected to the size of the bases used the player could then sub in models on the correct size bases and not be penalized for playing a different army then was presented for painting. However, I did not see Skkipper at the judges meeting the night before so he might not have been aware of the ruling to ask Chase to use the regular bases. If Skkipper was not aware of the ruling, had issues with the base sizes, and Chase said tough luck the judges oked them then Chase pulled a major party foul in my opinion. However, if Skkipper just grumbled to himself about bikes on big bases and never brought up the point then I don't think Chase was in the wrong. Either way, only Skkipper & Chase were at the game and know what went on between them.

Having never played Chase I don't know if he would be alright "Guestimating" how many models would fit under a blast if they had normal bases. Having briefly talked with Chase he seems like a good guy and would be willing to come to a compromise on something like that. I like Chase's army a lot and the bases are one of the great thematic elements that tie it all together, so the last thing I'd want is to have to have him play a bunch of grey models on black bases against me.

Skkipper allowing Chase's squad to disembark from a rhino in the shooting phase in order to shoot sounds like a VERY CLASSY sportsmanship move that he did not have to allow, and he should be commended for this.

Blood of Kittens picasa of the event
There's some other coverage on Blood of Kittens as well. Forgot to mention I met TastyTaste as well. That was pretty cool

here is a shot of the monster bike bases

asugradinwa wrote:Winterman: I just bought my ticket to tsft today! Hopefully you and your other teammates will be able to make it over. That last game I had against Dann was AWESOME, and your nids held out against the dark lance barrage.

I actually think this year's Conquest NW was better then last year's, however I haven't seen the final scores yet so we'll see if the paint judging crazyness appears again. I'll be writing Mondo with the things I think could be improved upon.

lurk mode off

Hey asugradinwa - This is Gregg your last opp of the day on Sunday. Had a great time playing against your DE Flying Circus. It will take a couple of years for me to bondo in all the holes your Lances put into my Rhinos.

It was a great end to an otherwise 'meh' tourney.

I would love to come over to tsft in March. don't know if it will happen but will really try to keep my options open on that weekend.

lurk mode on

Gregg! opps! I totally confused your name with Dan's DOH! Too long of a weekend I guess. I'd totally try and make it over to the SPOCOM tourny in August, only problem is I'll be on Maui on my honeymoon.

Thanks again for the great game! I think your rhinos must have been stolen from the black templare and had a blessed hull or something. It was very nice to play against a well balanced and GREAT looking Iron Warriors army.

Sounds like a not to bad time. Glad people seemed to have had good opponents. What is tsft?

Hey Asugradwa, don't forget the Slaughter in Space GT in April. Maybe we'll finally get to play each other

Hulksmash wrote:Sounds like a not to bad time. Glad people seemed to have had good opponents. What is tsft?

Hey Asugradwa, don't forget the Slaughter in Space GT in April. Maybe we'll finally get to play each other

http://tshft.com/

a 2 day event in the seattle area.

Hulksmash wrote:Sounds like a not to bad time. Glad people seemed to have had good opponents. What is tsft?

Its an Indy tournament. They do 4 a year (I believe) 2 40k and 2 Fantasy. I have heard great things about these tournaments. I am thinking about trying my hand in one this year. We'll see.

http://tshft.com/ That's their website for more info for you.

What armies did you guys play.

Just wondering if I have your army on video.
Though, I did collect people's emails.

Didn't stay that long - as me and my friend had to jet.
Otherwise would have had more coverage on it.


In all honestly, the tourney looked meh.

I'd def, play at THSFT than Conquest.


I'll be bringing my all DKOK army to TShft;P

foot berzerkers with dread and defiler

asugradinwa wrote:Oh boy.................

Empchild: I'm not going to say who is right or who is wrong in the game between Keith (Skkipper) & Chase as I wasn't there because I was playing my own game.

You were not at the tournament so I'd try and stay out of any conflicts as all you are getting is second hand information at best.

Skkipper is NOT the White Scars player so if an issue came up regarding shooting out of a rhino that moved over 6" in or the size of Chase's bases 2 games that is not a good sign. Hopefully you misunderstood what Chase was telling you.

I KNOW you are incorrect about Chase's bases being oked:

I attended the judges meeting the night before and Chase's bases were not "OKed. The judge’s ruling was that if an opponent objected to the size of the bases used the player could then sub in models on the correct size bases and not be penalized for playing a different army then was presented for painting. However, I did not see Skkipper at the judges meeting the night before so he might not have been aware of the ruling to ask Chase to use the regular bases. If Skkipper was not aware of the ruling, had issues with the base sizes, and Chase said tough luck the judges oked them then Chase pulled a major party foul in my opinion. However, if Skkipper just grumbled to himself about bikes on big bases and never brought up the point then I don't think Chase was in the wrong. Either way, only Skkipper & Chase were at the game and know what went on between them.

Having never played Chase I don't know if he would be alright "Guestimating" how many models would fit under a blast if they had normal bases. Having briefly talked with Chase he seems like a good guy and would be willing to come to a compromise on something like that. I like Chase's army a lot and the bases are one of the great thematic elements that tie it all together, so the last thing I'd want is to have to have him play a bunch of grey models on black bases against me.

Skkipper allowing Chase's squad to disembark from a rhino in the shooting phase in order to shoot sounds like a VERY CLASSY sportsmanship move that he did not have to allow, and he should be commended for this.

I find it interesting that after he and I had very pleasantly settled the point you had to put your two cents in. In the end it's done and over and I commend him for his sportsman ways. I do however feel that you are poking a dead horse on this one so in the future though I understand your concerns feel free to pm me instead of bringing up resolved grevances between posters.

Hulksmash wrote:Sounds like a not to bad time. Glad people seemed to have had good opponents. What is tsft?

Hey Asugradwa, don't forget the Slaughter in Space GT in April. Maybe we'll finally get to play each other

tshft stands for The Seattle Heart of Fire Tournament, run by Zen, who operates the great gaming store of Fire & Sword in Seattle. Good games against good players with good missions! Zen won 2nd best General this year at Conquest NW and is a very cool guy. I'm not sure if he still is doing it but usually your entry fee also gets you lunch on Saturday. Overall a great event to attend for any 40k or fantasy player, plus because how he spreads them out if you are a 40 & fantasy plsayer you can play in both systems at the different events.

skkipper wrote:foot berzerkers with dread and defiler

Pics post DI DI MAO!

I was one of 2 dark eldar players there, but my army is horribly painted (by me!) so I doubt you'd ever want to take pictures of it.

asugradinwa wrote:I was one of 2 dark eldar players there, but my army is horribly painted (by me!) so I doubt you'd ever want to take pictures of it.

if you have extra wyches I'll buy them from you. I need them for adepticon 2011.

All my wyches are dark elf corsair models, much better looking then the metal ones IMO. I still have to build and paint another 20 wyches for 'ard Boys this spring.

MArch...

Gotta buy a crap ton of forgeworld before march.. to get my 1850 army xD

Should have some videos up tommorow, hopefully.

the -10 point deduction for not painting your own army seems harsh. this could just be me that but I would rather play against a pro painted army over a plastic land raider and primered terminators.

Yes, I fall into the catergory of more money then time and I really want to send my demons off to get painted, but they have to wait because I am afraid of getting hosed for my painting scores.

I'm seeing mixed reports from this event. Can someone post a breakdown of the overall battle point winners?

Yeah losing half a win just for not painting your own models is pretty harsh. I've always preferred that they just take you out of the best painted/army category. Pulling you completely out of first place (which 10 points can easily do) is pretty harsh. I realize it is a hobby event but not everyone's hobby is painting so as long as it is painted period it shouldn't matter.

Also I heard that the guy that won best general didn't have a fully painted army which made a small part of me die inside. I don't think you should ever win any category at a GT level event without the minimum 3 color rule in effect for your army. Even if it's hideous.

Hulksmash wrote:Yeah losing half a win just for not painting your own models is pretty harsh. I've always preferred that they just take you out of the best painted/army category. Pulling you completely out of first place (which 10 points can easily do) is pretty harsh. I realize it is a hobby event but not everyone's hobby is painting so as long as it is painted period it shouldn't matter.

Also I heard that the guy that won best general didn't have a fully painted army which made a small part of me die inside. I don't think you should ever win any category at a GT level event without the minimum 3 color rule in effect for your army. Even if it's hideous.

Gregs army was fully painted and painted by some one else. the scores will be up soon, hopefully it will be interesting to see if Greg lost overall due to the 10 point paint deduction

Hulksmash:

I'm pretty sure that Greg Sparks won Best General & had a fully painted Eldar army. It was very well done, though I don't think he painted it, hence he left early because he thought he was out of the running for best overall.

I think 10 points for not painting an army is a little harsh, 5 points would have been better.

They don't have the full points posted yet. However, blood of kittens has a breakdown, though I don't know how accurate it is.

http://bloodofkittens.com/?p=2463

Skkipper is such a Ninja!

The BoK breakdown claims someone named Nathanel Williams won both Overall and Best General, but their results seem to differ from the ones on the event website.

Gregs army was fully painted and painted by some one else. the scores will be up soon, hopefully it will be interesting to see if Greg lost overall due to the 10 point paint deduction

Seen a cell phone pic of the first page of results. Gregg had 165 (80 battle 51 sports 34 painting), Nathaniel and 175 (90 battle, 47 sport 38 painting). Dunno what the tie breaker woulda been but Nathaniel had Sparks on battle but Sparks had him on sports and painting (assuming he woulda scored 44 -- which to be honest I have a feeling they may have gave him some pitty points for having a -10, can't prove it though).


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The BoK breakdown claims someone named Nathanel Williams won both Overall and Best General, but their results seem to differ from the ones on the event website.

You can't win two awards at most events like this, so Nathaniel won overall and Greg being the next highest in battle (with a tie breaker from sports it appears) took the best general award.

winterman wrote:

Gregs army was fully painted and painted by some one else. the scores will be up soon, hopefully it will be interesting to see if Greg lost overall due to the 10 point paint deduction

Seen a cell phone pic of the first page of results. Gregg had 165 (80 battle 51 sports 34 painting), Nathaniel and 175 (90 battle, 47 sport 38 painting). Dunno what the tie breaker woulda been but Nathaniel had Sparks on battle but Sparks had him on sports and painting (assuming he woulda scored 44 -- which to be honest I have a feeling they may have gave him some pitty points for having a -10, can't prove it though).

Can you link/PM me this picture?

Glad to know I heard wrong And grats to him for taking it.

My concern with the new 2 ticket to vegas thing is how are the organizers going to do it. Obviously Best Overall gets the ticket but what happens if the second highest scorer won best general (normally a better prize than second overall). Does he get the go ahead to Vegas or does the guy who actually "wins" second overall get it? Any idea how they did it for this tournament as it's the first one under the new system.

Fetterkey: I think the blood of kitten's results are for who had the most battle points.

Hulksmash:

The 2nd best overall stays 2nd best overall with best general becoming something akin to 3rd best overall.

So Nathaniel who won best overall & chase who won 2nd best overall get the vegas invites. Also keep in mind that only the invite is a given, the people still have to pay thier own hotel & plane ticket.

skkipper wrote:hey his bases are two big and that helps with blasts. I lost because I played a crappy game. He did try to do items which he knows are against the rules and only stopped when he was corrected.

Facts
He did try to fire out of a rhino moving over six.
He knew they moved over six.
then he asked to deploy his guys after he found out I wouldn't let him fire.I let him deploy his guys when it was well within my right to say no.

This is a player that is a good player and he tried to break the rules.



I gave him full sportsmanship scores. Would he rather me taken 3-5 points off the his score or point out his quirks so other gamers can be ready for him?

I was talking to a judge and he said he has heard similar stories from other players.

If a player does not deserve full sportsmanship scores, then why do you feel compelled to give them anyways? This is one of the reasons why I don't really like to attend most tournaments any more. Sportsmanship scoring, the way that most events do it, simply does not have any impact on the event, because people feel that if they were to give their opponents a points deduction, even a deserved one, then they are being the jerk, even though it's the player that played like a jerk who is the jerk

Anyways, I'll probably be attending TSHFT so maybe I'll get to play against your lash/berzerkers/oblits there.

So the Best General, if he's second overall loses out on the larger prize support in exchange for a chance for Vegas? I don't really have a problem with it but some people might . I think placement should go on as normal but the second highest overall score just get's the ticket. Hopefully that'll be what happens around here

From what I saw the prizes were not that great IMO, but I had a far away view. However most people I know who attend GTs are more about getting the plaque then the prizes.

Oh I agree. I'm only attending the broadside to practice up my bugs or wolves for the Slaughter later and maybe get a ticket/plague saying I'm a good gamer . It's just prizes are nice too. It's also that second overall doesn't sound as good as best general on a little plaque

Hulksmash wrote: It's also that second overall doesn't sound as good as best general on a little plaque

All the players that got Best in a category got a plaque, the Second Best got a certificate (i.e. Plaques for Best Overall, Best General, Best Sportsmanship, Best Appearance/Painting and Certificates for Second Best Overall, Second Best General, Second Best Sportsmanship, and Second Best Appearance/Painting). I am unsure if Players Choice got a plaque or a certificate though.

Any update on the scores here?

Nothing posted yet.

Fetterkey wrote:Any update on the scores here?

I don't believe anything official is up yet... but someone from Ordo has posted some results, pics, videos, whatnot....

http://bloodofkittens.com/?cat=166

That might give some information in the meantime while waiting for the official stuff.

the video in part three is a great example of a slow player that measures everything and still wins an event.

I hate playing this guy.

skkipper wrote:the video in part three is a great example of a slow player that measures everything and still wins an event.

I hate playing this guy.

It's funny. Most internet debates over cheating are a he-said/she-said affair.

In this case, we have a video of a player cheating while playing.

Players won't stop cheating until the rewards for cheating are less than the rewards for playing fair.

I read this whole thread, the thread that EmpChild linked to that preceded this, and a few links from within this thread... and I still can't tell what the heck is going on

I guess a lot of things are assumed and since I wasn't involved in any of it... I have no idea!!!

Those videos of the cheating while measuring were pretty hair-raising, though!

If this guy really did cheat, his prize should be revoked. At the very least he should not be allowed to go to Vegas.

Agreed. I was amazed at how much pre-measuring he did of his opponents models. The 10" lunge that he did with his warwalker was pretty nice too. The fact that there is actually video of this happening means that at the least he shouldn't be allowed to go to Vegas and personally if I was a TO and saw his name I'd tell him he's not allowed to play.

Everything on my site should be accurate as I was at the event as a spectator and watched the entire finals match.

The conquest results on there site are broken down by winners of prizes (not wanting to give out prizes to the same person twice) and does not represent the actual scores; that is what I used to base my lists on.

Here is a good link for all my coverage of the event.

http://bloodofkittens.com/?s=Seattle+GT

So ... has anyone shown this videos to the TO? Or sent them to GWUS as a complaint? I watch those videos - wow!

DUDE.

Ok.

I know this Nathaniel guy. He doesnt only cheat in games.

He cheats in real life.

http://www.blacklibrarystudios.com/tier2.html


My friend made that commission website for him. My friend owns the dedicated server for Rogue-market.
So hes not a web n00b. He made the site for nathaniel- and got only a few quid for his time.




familiar?

I see Nathaniel at g3 in redmond at times. But he skimped out on paying my friend money after he took access of the site and files.


Wow.

Disgrace to the fine, upstanding name of Nathaniel. :sniff:

Should just call this guy out whenever see him at any store.

Interestiing on the cheating, and as a normal player I would say revoke the win, BUT as an organizer of several events though cheating is not blatant if his opponents "DID NOT" report it on the spot to the judges then nothing can come of it. If you video taped and then showed the organizers and they did nothing then report it to GW. Otherwise it sucks but is a mute point.

P.S I do think 10 points is harsh as a deduction, but honestly warranted because well they did not do the job them selves. I for one would not do 10 points I would give them 1 since well I would treat it like it was a one tone job. Though I do applaud their honesty.

I say let him keep his win!

The reason why?

Here is how the Conquest GT did their sportsmanship scoring:

Tournament Scoring – Sportsmanship (50 points):
Please rate your opponent on their sportsmanship. If the answer is yes, check the box.
2 Points: Was your opponent prepared? (On time with all game accessories (dice, rules, templates, etc) and a copy of their army list for you).
2 Points: Was your opponent fair? (Measured correctly, consistent in die rolls, settled rules disputes amicably).
3 Points: Was your opponent friendly? (Introduced themselves, treated you with respect).
3 Points: Was your opponent fun to play?

If he did what everyone claims, he should have scored 5 points max a game because he did not measure correctly, and he was not fun to play. But what happened is that he scored 47 out of 50 possible points. If he was as bad as everyone says, then it was up to his opponents to stop him from winning the tournament and they didn't.

very true. it is his opponents fault as most of us gamers are just there to have fun and don't want to cause drama.
here are the standings
I know personally I should have given Chase a 2 out 10 but i didn't. Mainly because I lost horrible due to playing a bad game and didn't really want to be "that guy". but the opponent was an ass in hindsight. that would have pushed him down to 6th. I am sorry I did the other players a diservice.

http://bloghammer.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Conquest-Standing.pdf

If he got 47 out of 50 I have to say I really highly doubt he was cheating. This is another internet lynch party in process. It's disgusting.

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I find it interesting that this player who was filmed cheating got a better sportsmanship score than others who played in the tournament. Sportsmanship scoring as it currently exists does not actually encourage good sportsmanship.


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Green Blow Fly wrote:If he got 47 out of 50 I have to say I really highly doubt he was cheating. This is another internet lynch party in process. It's disgusting.

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Did you watch the video?

Premeasuring?

Moving way too far?

Seriously?

Most of the time these "OMG the winner cheated" threads are simply a he-said-she-said "lynch party" as you phrased it.

This time, he was caught red handed.

The only problem is that the other players and judges did very little about it.

I didnt see anything out of the ordinary. That people would videotape someone playing a game of toy soldiers tell me they must have a pathetic life.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:I didnt see anything out of the ordinary. That people would videotape someone playing a game of toy soldiers tell me they must have a pathetic life.

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Either that or they were taping the final round of a major tournament for some internet journalism on a blog?

@GBF

Watch the second video and keep an eye on the fire dragons. He deploys them then inches them forward by increments at least twice. Barely getting him into range for the fusion guns. Same thing with those Warp Spiders on the same side.

I agree that it is also up to the person playing to dock a sportsmanship score if the opponent is cheating. I'm not saying he shouldn't keep the win but I do think they should rescind the ticket to Vegas.

Hulksmash wrote:@GBF

Watch the second video and keep an eye on the fire dragons. He deploys them then inches them forward by increments at least twice. Barely getting him into range for the fusion guns. Same thing with those Warp Spiders on the same side.

I agree that it is also up to the person playing to dock a sportsmanship score if the opponent is cheating. I'm not saying he shouldn't keep the win but I do think they should rescind the ticket to Vegas.

See this is where I would disagree I don't think the thought of resending should een occur. The factis he won plain and simple, maybe he cheated maybe he didn't and peoplewant to seethings idkI can't watch atm cause i'm at work. What it comes down to those is his opponents didn't call ajudge so no infraction their. The person filming didn't point out or call a judge by the sound of it so no infraction their. If I point a gun at you and shoot you but no one tells the cops then I still am not guilty in the eyes of the law. Why because if no one will stand up then a conviction can't occur you get me?
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Actually, in some states, you are guilty even if no one tells the police...

skyth wrote:Actually, in some states, you are guilty even if no one tells the police...

Sigh no feth, you missed the point entirely on that one. It means if no one reports it yes it is still wrong, but has no real effect in the end.

This is so far the most pathetic thread of 2010.

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I've always come to Dakka looking for the latest news and gossip but I never post. However, after listening to these entertaining posts I had to add my two cents. I was at conquest and this was my first GT (I didn’t do to hot, placed #70) and just wanted to see how things were. I did not see too much cheating on my tables but there were many arguments going all around me with the guys who were actually winning. Is this the case with all Tourneys in Washington?

I thought it was kinda weird how nobody really cheered when it was announced that Nathaniel Williams won best overall, now this explains everything lol

Green Blow Fly wrote:This is so far the most pathetic thread of 2010.

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thanks for pushing us to #1. We couldn't do it without you.

WAAAGH!!!BLITZROG wrote:I've always come to Dakka looking for the latest news and gossip but I never post. However, after listening to these entertaining posts I had to add my two cents. I was at conquest and this was my first GT (I didn’t do to hot, placed #70) and just wanted to see how things were. I did not see too much cheating on my tables but there were many arguments going all around me with the guys who were actually winning. Is this the case with all Tourneys in Washington?

I thought it was kinda weird how nobody really cheered when it was announced that Nathaniel Williams won best overall, now this explains everything lol

mmm arguements happen sadly as well grown kids seem to have bouts, but not always. I have seen tourneys at the same places go two different ways it just depends on the people really.

Second year at Conquest, not 1 bad game yet for me. Had to call a judge over a couple times to get an impartial ruling on some issues, but otherwise I'm 10 games in without a bad game. Now the missions on the other hand.....

Green Blow Fly wrote:If he got 47 out of 50 I have to say I really highly doubt he was cheating.

I've been thinking back on it, and this is a pretty good point. If the guy really was cheating or playing incorrectly or whatever, why did he get such high sports scores? I can assure you that if I came up against someone who was cheating, he would get a 0 on any soft scores I was allowed to assign at absolute minimum, and I would probably try to get him kicked out of the event. It's possible that this guy cheated while everyone else stood there and did nothing, but that seems quite dubious to me. Much of the stuff in that video looks pretty shady to me, but if he was really playing unfairly, why didn't anyone who was there do anything?

asugradinwa wrote:Second year at Conquest, not 1 bad game yet for me. Had to call a judge over a couple times to get an impartial ruling on some issues, but otherwise I'm 10 games in without a bad game. Now the missions on the other hand.....

lol Yeah the missions were garbage. Especially the one with 2 KP's for dedicated transports.

Chatting about wargames on an online forum with 6k posts. Versus a simple video with a flip cam for an internet blog.
I dont know the difference between whats pathetic and whats not.

Me owning a forum. Could be pathetic as well. Taking videos of the event with my HD camera could be High-Definition Pathetic too.
Then again - all of us playing with toy soldiers, spending hundreds- thousands of dollars.

Thats pathetic too.
So what difference, i guess we are all pathetic.




Last year, a golden daemon paint job was rejected due to cheating. So same can be said about cheating in a tourney.

Not rolling a 2d6 on warp spiders already breaks rule. Theres just a ton of funny jumbo there.



And lynch party - would require people that are actually jealous of his winning position. Otherwise what motive to bring this guy down? I didn't even participate. I dont care about being no. 1. But I know this guy - he goes to my LGS. This isn't the first conquest occurrence - and it isn't the only incident in which he has done some very sly things in Game, out of game, and business wise.

Just saying 2 cents. There's a lot of Northwest locals who knows this guy and have met with him personally

In truth I wasn't there on the last game, nor did I care to watch the guy in person 100% of the time.




http://www.youtube.com/user/ChristopherFryeWA

Another person who isn't from this forum - he works for privateer press.

1:10min.



His reputation is infamous.

Fetterkey wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:If he got 47 out of 50 I have to say I really highly doubt he was cheating.

I've been thinking back on it, and this is a pretty good point. If the guy really was cheating or playing incorrectly or whatever, why did he get such high sports scores? I can assure you that if I came up against someone who was cheating, he would get a 0 on any soft scores I was allowed to assign at absolute minimum, and I would probably try to get him kicked out of the event. It's possible that this guy cheated while everyone else stood there and did nothing, but that seems quite dubious to me. Much of the stuff in that video looks pretty shady to me, but if he was really playing unfairly, why didn't anyone who was there do anything?

These are just a bunch of extremely sore losers that had their collective arses handed to them on a silver platter and it seems they have too much idle time on their hands.



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There are claims that a judge was notified of the cheating in the last game by an outsider of the game on BoK -- however that is disputed.

Also the cheating was obvious if you were really paying attention, but if you didn't know of him, it is very likely it would go unnoticed if used sparingly prior to the last game. Also very possible earlier games against easier opponents -- no reason to cheat so he didn't. Gerry won best general last year and this was the deciding game -- so more incentive to pull this kinda crap.

Finally, this was the same fella who played with unpainted models last year and displayed chaos dreads for appearance he did not play with. He was still allowed to attend by Avalon Conventions. So I dunno if the staff would have even been allowed to do anything drastic in this case had they known.

RogueMarket wrote:Chatting




http://www.youtube.com/user/ChristopherFryeWA

Another person who isn't from this forum - he works for privateer press.

1:10min.



His reputation is infamous.

AHHHH you are sorely mistaken frye no longer works for them.. long story and he I know for a fact cheats but thats not important. As par the pathetic that is more an attack you are making against green fly as oppossed to his general.

skkipper wrote:http://bloghammer.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Conquest-Standing.pdf

Link isn't working for me... Anyone else having an issue with it?

Fetterkey wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:If he got 47 out of 50 I have to say I really highly doubt he was cheating.

I've been thinking back on it, and this is a pretty good point. If the guy really was cheating or playing incorrectly or whatever, why did he get such high sports scores? I can assure you that if I came up against someone who was cheating, he would get a 0 on any soft scores I was allowed to assign at absolute minimum, and I would probably try to get him kicked out of the event. It's possible that this guy cheated while everyone else stood there and did nothing, but that seems quite dubious to me. Much of the stuff in that video looks pretty shady to me, but if he was really playing unfairly, why didn't anyone who was there do anything?

Simple. There has been so much outcry against soft scores in general for tournaments and accusations of "chipmunking" opponents that most players automatically default to giving their opponent the highest points totals for things like sportsmanship and painting, even if their opponent is not deserving of such. Also, most people are non-confrontational when it comes to things like that. Most players would rather play against TFG that be accused of being TFG.

If people don't like soft scores, the solution is to eliminate soft scores, not to use them incorrectly.

I seriously don't know how anyone could even defend this guy who was caught cheating on camera.

Making fun of the people who caught him doesn't make them wrong. Guy should, at the least, not get the invite to vegas.

CptZach wrote:I seriously don't know how anyone could even defend this guy who was caught cheating on camera.

Making fun of the people who caught him doesn't make them wrong. Guy should, at the least, not get the invite to vegas.

I'm not defending this guy or making fun of the people who caught him, I'm saying that the story doesn't really seem to add up.

OMG!!! OMFG!!! OMFG!!! LETS LYNCH THIS BASTICH & BURN IT DOWN!!! OMFG!!!

Green Blow Fly wrote:OMG!!! OMFG!!! OMFG!!! LETS LYNCH THIS BASTICH & BURN IT DOWN!!! OMFG!!!

Cause that's what I said...
(notice I didn't even insult the guy?)

No, I said his prizes and such should be revoked for being caught cheating. (OMG just like all other competitive environments...)

And I said that you shouldn't defend people who are caught cheating red handed.



HOWEVER, THE BIG NEWS FROM THIS TOURNAMENT.

TAU GOT 5TH!!!
and you guys thought they weren't competitive.

CptZach wrote:TAU GOT 5TH!!!
and you guys thought they weren't competitive.

The Tau did really good... and they looked awesome... he has some pretty cool conversions and dioramas for his guys. Was nicely done.

SMASH ALL HIS MINIS AND CRUSH ALL HIS DICES!!!

GBF, your really the only one going on about this. I didn't even say he should be punished in anyway short of revoking his winnings for this one event.

I do not know what kind of player he is or anything. So I have no thoughts on any actual punishments for him. Notice I didn't say he should be banned from future events or anything of the sort. Just his prizes revoked. Name one other competition you get to keep your winnings if you get caught cheating after the fact.



Also, is the Tau players list out there anywhere? Would be cool to see what he ran. (hopefully lots of fireknives.)

Green Blow Fly: Whats the deal? No one has wished harm to him or his mini's they are just upset and having a dialog with each other.

Take a deep breath and smile... its all good


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CptZach wrote:Also, is the Tau players list out there anywhere? Would be cool to see what he ran. (hopefully lots of fireknives.)

I can check with him and see if he can send me his list so I can forward it to you.

Awesome. Yea, just interested whether he ran the hybrid list, fish o fury list or something completely different.

Modquisition on.
Lets all focus on the event and stop random mutterings please. Everyone-you can disagree on points but at least make your statements tangentially related to the topic and not, er random mutterings (else we may have to make you a Mod).

JR Frazzled you are aware of my propensities to ramble on randomly to all hours of the nights...

Back on topic then!

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Here is the kicker:

The Tau army was farsight based!

I have always been a big fan of Commander Farsight.

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The Tau player was me. I guess I could post the list up here if anyone really wants to see it. I personally feel I did fairly well. I had some really great games last weekend and look forward to going to some more tournaments in the area. I was just happy that I got to show off my army and get some great resonses on it. I just wish I could have painted it a little better. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. As far as this whole Nathaniel Williams issue, I have only ever played the guy once and it was at the final round of the Ard Boyz Regionals this past year. After watching the videos and seeing what I was suspecting, I am not pleased that he ended up with a ticket to Vegas in the place of someone like Zen Zhang who would be in second right now if it wasn't for Nathaniel and I think very deserving of a trip to Vegas. That is my opinion for what it is worth.

J_Dearth wrote:The Tau player was me. I guess I could post the list up here if anyone really wants to see it. I personally feel I did fairly well. I had some really great games last weekend and look forward to going to some more tournaments in the area. I was just happy that I got to show off my army and get some great resonses on it. I just wish I could have painted it a little better. If anyone has any questions feel free to ask. As far as this whole Nathaniel Williams issue, I have only ever played the guy once and it was at the final round of the Ard Boyz Regionals this past year. After watching the videos and seeing what I was suspecting, I am not pleased that he ended up with a ticket to Vegas in the place of someone like Zen Zhang who would be in second right now if it wasn't for Nathaniel and I think very deserving of a trip to Vegas. That is my opinion for what it is worth.

Well there ya go... I will tell Skittercreep not to worry about sending that e-mail to get your army list.

I think we should just have voting sessions for who we want to attend Vegas. It can be like a political election.

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PS (Fresh-faced new users are so trust worthy! )

Actually J_Dearth is one very good player from the games I've been able to watch him play. He was the Dark Eldar player that got BONED 2 years ago in ard boys by the judges letting a daemon player deploy his HQ & troops in dawn of war. He won the 'ard Boys semi finals against the Nathaniel Williams (setting the stage for my sneaking in to 2nd place) last Summer using a brutal Dark Eldar army that inspired me to start my own Dark Eldar army.

J-Dearth- I'd love a copy of farsight the list as well!

I like Farsight Tau and if I was going to play a Tau army, that is what I would field.


I saw the videos, and if I was playing against him I might not think anything was too wrong. It is one thing to see what he did after the fact and watching the video looking for it.

I would put it in the category of fudging the rules rather than cheating.

Green Blow Fly wrote:PS (Fresh-faced new users are so trust worthy! )

I am not entirely sure why you felt the need to say this. New users have something to contribute as well. You were once a new user yourself.

asugradinwa wrote:Actually J_Dearth is one very good player from the games I've been able to watch him play.

J_Dearth is a really cool guy. He is a solid veteran in the Pacific NW area.

asugradinwa wrote:Actually J_Dearth is one very good player from the games I've been able to watch him play. He was the Dark Eldar player that got BONED 2 years ago in ard boys by the judges letting a daemon player deploy his HQ & troops in dawn of war. He won the 'ard Boys semi finals against the Nathaniel Williams (setting the stage for my sneaking in to 2nd place) last Summer using a brutal Dark Eldar army that inspired me to start my own Dark Eldar army.

J-Dearth- I'd love a copy of farsight the list as well!

that's another Internet urban legend that caused quite the gak storm on the Internet. It's no surprise to see you guys at the center this one trying another attempt at character assassination.

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Empchild wrote:
P.S I do think 10 points is harsh as a deduction, but honestly warranted because well they did not do the job them selves. I for one would not do 10 points I would give them 1 since well I would treat it like it was a one tone job. Though I do applaud their honesty.

So....you appreciate their honesty, but still think its honestly warrented. Why should one ever come clean?


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J_Dearth wrote:The Tau player was me. I guess I could post the list up here if anyone really wants to see it.

Please do. Or PM it to me if you would.

The farsight army was one of the coolest armies i've seen around.

Someone get pics up? xD


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Update: Nathaniel is officially banned coming to THSFT.



http://tshft.com/index.php?option=com_fireboard&Itemid=7&func=view&id=510&catid=2

My army list is as follows:

HQ-1: Farsight and five bodyguards with plasma, 2x Fusion, 2x Missile Pods, and a cyclic Ion Blaster.
Six shield drones and 2 marker drones. One failsafe detonator, one guy with iridium armor and stimulant injectors.

Elite-1: 3 Crisis Suits: two twin linked flamers and one twin linked fusion blaster with target locks around and a multitracker on the leader.

Troop-1: 6 Fire Warriors with Shas'ui and a marker drone with a markerlight

Troop-2: 6 Fire Warriors with Shas'ui and a marker drone with a markerlight

Troop-3: 10 Fire Warriors with pulse carbines: Devilfish with sensor spines, fletchette dischargers.

Fast Attack-1: 7 Pathfinders with a devilfish and sensor spines and fletchette dischargers

Heavy Support-1: Sniper Drone Team

Heavy Support-2: Sky Ray Missile Defense Gunship with disruption pods, targetting array, and smart missiles

Heavy Support-3: 2 Broadsides with a shield drone and a target lock and advanced stabilization systems.

This is pretty much the list in a nutshell. If there are any other questions or if I forgot something I will amend this post accordingly, but I think it is all there. Thanks again for the interest in the list.

My first game was against a vanilla assaulty marine army, my second game was against a white scars army, my third game was against a veteran based guard army, fourth game was against night lords (I know two bike armies in one tournament and I was Tau!) and my last game was against a vanilla gun line marine army. Those are my games in a nut shell, I had three wins and two draws. My goal for the tournament was two wins and three draws so I bested my goal and had a fun time doing it.

Green Blow Fly wrote:tIt's no surprise to see you guys at the center this one trying another attempt at character assassination.

How is describing a guy that we have FOOTAGE OF ACTUALLY CHEATING as a "cheat," in any way a character assassination?

GBF, where you at either these events? the hardboyz in 2008 or conquest?
I was at both.
the winner of hardboyz took advantage of a judge.
would you allow what happened at hardboyz to occur against you?

the conquest player and hardboyz players are similar in the fact that they stretch the rules to match their needs.
Nath is a shady player. I have played him and he whines and moans and cheats. I would give my entire 40k collection away if you told me I had to play him weekly.

Players like him need to be forced out of the hobby.

winterman wrote:Finally, this was the same fella who played with unpainted models last year and displayed chaos dreads for appearance he did not play with. He was still allowed to attend by Avalon Conventions. So I dunno if the staff would have even been allowed to do anything drastic in this case had they known.

You're talking about last years conquest? Because I saw his fully painted army that won for best appearance. And there are even some small pictures of his army in white dwarf.

Looks like there is quite a bit of conflicting information being presented here in this thread.

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Green Blow Fly wrote:Looks like there is quite a bit of conflicting information being presented here in this thread.

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nah just gamer drama I think. I has broken down to an undefinable point. I say LOCK THE THREAD LOCK THE THREAD

I think the thread should be locked as well. It's shady as can be.

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You're talking about last years conquest? Because I saw his fully painted army that won for best appearance. And there are even some small pictures of his army in white dwarf.

Post on B&C from last year that ends up discussing it. Page 2 has the most details. Pics are broke though. Other source of pics I know of are lost in the warp.

Bout all I will say on this at this point. I have more info but there's no reason to get into it.

Edited with actual link

Green Blow Fly wrote:I think the thread should be locked as well. It's shady as can be.

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yea but is it Slim Shady shady?

Frazzled wrote:

Green Blow Fly wrote:I think the thread should be locked as well. It's shady as can be.

G

yea but is it Slim Shady shady?

Nah he's cool and rich...this thread is niether of the two.

Well in that case, this thread has moved beyond its expiration date. To the incinerator Batman!