They've been posting more renders of weapons and taking comments.

If you have suggestions there's still time to talk to the sculptor and the management.






http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/forum/category/science-fiction-submissions/

What, no weapons that throb and spurt with power?

BrookM wrote:What, no weapons that throb and spurt with power?

I'm going to replace that fuel tank with two power spheres that ejaculate white hot death in the faces of my foes.

My god, what are they doing with the heads... friggin hideous...

and is it me or are their coats too flowy? It looks like they are rather "hippy" or have some serious junk in their trunk...

and the hell is with the assault rifle? It looks horrible compared to the one they showed us last time 'round.

I wish they produced a 360 of the actual bodies in the kit, since they're the main thing that matters. If the bodies are crap or even mediocre, nobody will buy the kit.

Two of the pics are just giving me red x's...

RiTides wrote:Two of the pics are just giving me red x's...

same.

depending on the size of those weapons and the price of the kit i might buy some to swap out for bolters.

If you can't see them, right click, view image.

I'm still a little undecided on these guys.

The top half of the models is looking good (although the head on the grenade launcher guy is a bit odd) and the weapons are coming together well... but the bottom half of the jacket just looks weird. All puffy and soft looking.

insaniak wrote:I'm still a little undecided on these guys.

The top half of the models is looking good (although the head on the grenade launcher guy is a bit odd) and the weapons are coming together well... but the bottom half of the jacket just looks weird. All puffy and soft looking.

That is definitely the problem.

The bottom half on both looks as if it comes from a different model... Weird!

I really like the flame weapon, it is small and classy. The grenade launcher looks good, and the large rifle looks industrial as heck and I'd believe it's Str 8.

The helmets do look different, but it's great to see the experiments. They have a distinct look that does not mimic equivalent models, at least that I've seen. The grenade launcher's head reminds me of a snow trooper from Empire.

Yeah now I see dead links. I'll copy to the gallery shortly.

The gun is their proposed energy weapon, I already told them I don't like and want something pulpier.

The GL head is one they showed before and will be an optional head in the kit. It's the gasmask with a blast shield over it.

And for other comments, don't tell us, tell them!

http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/forum/category/science-fiction-submissions/

Not a huge fan of the grips on the flamer and grenade launcher. A more standard pistol grip would work better and look less wonky.

Just do a copy of DKOK troopers but with more modern looking gear like chest rigs, armor and modern looking guns.

Have to say that these are rather disappointing

BF44042 wrote:Just do a copy of DKOK troopers but with more modern looking gear like chest rigs, armor and modern looking guns.

Have to say that these are rather disappointing

I would buy so many of those if they were closer to DKOK.

BF44042 wrote:Just do a copy of DKOK troopers but with more modern looking gear like chest rigs, armor and modern looking guns.

Have to say that these are rather disappointing

You're never going to get a DKOK level of detail with Wargames Factory. They're lower quality than GW, but much, much cheaper. They can't flat out rip off the designs as that would be copyright infringement. And go complain to Wargames Factory - nobody here works for them to my knowledge.

The proposed "energy gun" looks a bit too much like a pneumatic nail gun to me... But I'm not really in their target audience, since none of their greatcoat sculpts have looked worth considering as far as I'm concerned.

Vale,

JohnS

cygnnus wrote:The proposed "energy gun" looks a bit too much like a pneumatic nail gun to me

That was my first thought as well.

Love the blast shield head, but the way they're holding their guns is just... off...

The proportion of top and bottom body are all wrong.

Brother SRM wrote:

BF44042 wrote:Just do a copy of DKOK troopers but with more modern looking gear like chest rigs, armor and modern looking guns.

Have to say that these are rather disappointing

You're never going to get a DKOK level of detail with Wargames Factory. They're lower quality than GW, but much, much cheaper. They can't flat out rip off the designs as that would be copyright infringement. And go complain to Wargames Factory - nobody here works for them to my knowledge.

I agree about the quality. What WGF also seems to lack is real creative sculpting. Their historicals have looked fine, but they can't seem to make up their mind about what they want these longcoat guys to be, or maybe they're simply trying to appease everyone at the same time, a sure sign of failure.

Suggestion?

They are getting colder...

Grot 6 wrote:Suggestion?

They are getting colder...

The proportion like i said , is WAY OFF!!!!!

LunaHound wrote:The proportion of top and bottom body are all wrong.

They're not out of proportion, they're just too flowy. It's like they're standing over an upwards wind.

If they weren't all puffed-out, they'd fit fine.

I am glad that they are giving it a go. The arms are too long, the elbo goes down to their waist where as the wrist should be just below the waist. it looks like if extended they woulb be longer than their legs which could use some lengthening. I also agree with the weapon grips, flip them back over. finally the coatbottom look weird, (this is going to be hard to explain) in part because they are draped and flowing differently yet the bottom of the coat cuts off at the same length. does that make sense? so it a fold in the coat is falling straight it may be 18" from the ground and another fold is sticking out a few more inches it might be 20" from the ground and so on. if this confuses you I am sorry, my words are failing me. but keep it up and make this project happen!

Cheese Elemental wrote:

LunaHound wrote:The proportion of top and bottom body are all wrong.

They're not out of proportion, they're just too flowy. It's like they're standing over an upwards wind.

If they weren't all puffed-out, they'd fit fine.

You think the flowy clothing is capable of throwing me off?

No , its horrible out of proportion.

LunaHound wrote:

Cheese Elemental wrote:

LunaHound wrote:The proportion of top and bottom body are all wrong.

They're not out of proportion, they're just too flowy. It's like they're standing over an upwards wind.

If they weren't all puffed-out, they'd fit fine.

You think the flowy clothing is capable of throwing me off?

No , its horrible out of proportion.

How is it out of proportion? It only looks that way because of the pauldrons and greatcoat.

Cheese Elemental wrote:
How is it out of proportion? It only looks that way because of the pauldrons and greatcoat.

Try fitting a skeletal frame in that picture and you'll see.

You know they're supposed to be GW heroic scale, right?

lord_blackfang wrote:You know they're supposed to be GW heroic scale, right?

Don't patronize. Everyone knows that.

intrestin i like the models form the waist up. and the helmets are really cool.

The weapons are nice! I like the second head too! Now so much into the Darth Vader helmet and the bodies though...

PIC 1:
Pro: Plastic Greatcoat infantry

Con:
Vadar Mask: Really? Throw on a modern gask mask with a smaller canister then 40mm nato and be done with it.
Deltoid Protectors: Way too bulky for anything thats supposed to be a guard stand in. Look at Point Blank vests and their Deltoid protection for how I feel this should look like.
Gloved Hand: Sorry, but the hand looks really.... I dunno... off. Cant narrow it down more then that sadly. I just looks off.
Weapon: Too bulky. Gives this guy a Backpack tank, a connecting feed, and a more WW1 style flame thrower and you are set. Also for the second hand, if your going to keep this style design for the love of god give him a top side handle. The way he is holding it now just isnt good.
Greatcoat lower half: Already beaten to death. See above comments
Boots: They look like they are made from soft leather that is melting off his legs and feet. See Trench Boots for a better reference on how to fix this.

PIC 2:
Pro: Yeah, sorry... None that I can see

Con:
Mask: Horrible. Just plain horrible. Its like a elongated welding mask rejection. Anything is better then this.
Everything else listed above add here
Gun: Way too big. Its the size of a frigging Mk 19 just about! Make it smaller, add an assault handle and be done with it.

Pic 3:
Yeah.... Sorry, dont like these at all. So much useless stuff added that makes NO sense at all. Bravo for the attempt though.

As it stands right now if these went into production... I would have to replace the heads, Weapons, and if possible the shoulder pads. Don't care how cheap these will be, thats not worth it in my book.

lord_blackfang wrote:You know they're supposed to be GW heroic scale, right?

Sorry im alittle confused... is that SD proportion based off real scale ,
or SD based off GW sculpts

GW models are badly deformed, if you compare them with accurate scale models.

Yeah, really, considering our current options are this

and this


I find it hard to find fault in WGF anatomy and proportion.

jp400 wrote:Yeah.... Sorry, dont like these at all. So much useless stuff added that makes NO sense at all. Bravo for the attempt though.

"Bravo for the attempt"? No company should be commended for the effort they put into something if the results are substandard. These models were always designed as 40k proxies, and as it stands, I don't see too many 40k players lining up to buy them, so by all standards, WGF have failed dismally, partially because the process has at every stage been too open for conflicting fan ideas to sway it, and for lack of a coherent creative vision.

The funny bit is that given how long these have been in the making, people who instigated this project would've spent their time better saving up for the Death Korps they obviously wanted but could not afford.

Oh do not get me wrong, these models in my eyes are horrible. However, at least they are trying.

And im also abit shocked that with the way Gw has been of late, these guys havent recieved a C&D in the mail just from all the "Turn this Gw product into something cheaper" requests/threads they have on the main site.

I've been participating on the WF forums as well, and I'm pretty happy with these so far. The are at least as well proportioned as the current GW plastic offerings, and I don't think that the flowing coats will look nearly so billowy in actual size. As to the gloves, and some of the weapons choices, It's probably best to wait til the final product comes out, as these are all in-progress designs.

That said, if they were sold today, I'd be line for a platoon worth. Even if I used IG arms (or just weapons) and pig-iron heads (which I probably will) it'd still be a good deal, and a good way to put together some unique looking IG.

Lastly, sure it's been along time to wait so far. But I'd much rather wait and work on other projects in the mean time than devote all my hobby funds to buying 1/6th as many DKoK.

See I was part of the pre-order with these but I have to say their origonal gun reminds me of a paintball autococker. I hope they change it, and I for one love the heads.

Ditch the pauldrons I say.

It shows you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Perhaps they should do an options kit with different styles of head, shoulder and gun.

Kilkrazy wrote:It shows you can't please all of the people all of the time.

Perhaps they should do an options kit with different styles of head, shoulder and gun.

Yeah, I agree with what someone stated earlier; they made a mistake releasing their concepts, too many different opinions.

I don't think releasing the concepts is a bad thing in itself. The problem here was more that they didn't stick to their guns.

Releasing the initial concept, sculpting that version, and revisiting the idea later for variant designs would seem to have been a better idea. Would have allowed for a more coherent theme on each, rather than trying to please everyone with the one design.

Of course, it's more expensive to do it that way...

For those who have participated in earlier Wargames Factory L&U products, did earlier L&U releases have this much customer involvement and this many in progress renders?

From what I heard, the zombies and Colonial brits were out in record time. On the other hand, this is their first stab at a product that is a bit more open-ended in design.

I was involved with this early on and had to get out of it because of the nazi attitude of certain people and the constant bickering. That being said I think that the end result is looking good. Not great...good.

As to jp400's opinions on the models. With regard to the proportions of the models. I doubt your review would be any better on ANY heroically scaled model. They are this scale for a reason and proportions are supposed to be off. As to the personal complaints about this and that with the rest of the models. That is your opinion and I respect your right to have it, but I actually like several aspects such as the helmet. I agree completely about your flamer complaint. It just sucks balls. And the heavy gun option is rather bulky and has alot of useless stuff attached to it. I do like the bull pup assault rifle though and fully plan to turn mine into shotguns.

the first guys helmet looks like the dark lord. not to good imo.

They could be nice but they look out of proportions and the pose is ridiculously bad, they ain't selling any to me if they look like that.

Interestingly, in the latest edition of BOW's "On the Table" vidcast, there's a full 360 pan of a completed model that I've not seen anywhere else. I'm no expert but the body looked pretty good there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yASADL1iwuI

Look for it around the 16 minute mark.

Goodbye heads, hello awesome modes.

The head on the first guy is pretty nice. The weapons are very reminiscent of the "prawn" guns from D9.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Interestingly, in the latest edition of BOW's "On the Table" vidcast, there's a full 360 pan of a completed model that I've not seen anywhere else. I'm no expert but the body looked pretty good there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yASADL1iwuI

Look for it around the 16 minute mark.

Nice catch! As much as I like BOW, I wouldn't normally watch a 20 minute weekly summary of TGN.
That render looks very nice, considering the low price.

Eilif wrote:
That said, if they were sold today, I'd be line for a platoon worth. Even if I used IG arms (or just weapons) and pig-iron heads (which I probably will) it'd still be a good deal, and a good way to put together some unique looking IG.

Those are my plans exactly!

Anyone knows when they are supposed to be released?

I'd still get a box or two to play around with conversions. I must be the only one here who likes the look of the guns.

PhantomViper wrote:
Anyone knows when they are supposed to be released?

Haven't seen any dates announced, I would not hold my breath, but hey you never know.

I think you'd want to see this.

http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/02/17/33707

Beasts of War has gotten their mitts on a prototype 3D print of these. it shows the pieces separate, assembled and painted, and with a Kasrkin for scale comparison (making the caveat that the finished plastic model would be about 1mm shorter, doubtless for some arcane reasons relating to the process). Check it out and see if the wait has been worth it.

This gave me a tingly feeling in my special place. I dont care about all the people that are now going to say how horrible this looks and that it should not be made, etc. They can all get strange facial growths for all I care. I like them and I will be building a platoon of them to add to my guard.

me likey. this will definitely push me over the edge into starting a guard army considering how reasonable their prices are.

Well, if the sprues have enough extra parts that look interesting I might invest in some space nazis for some space opera.

Having seen the prototype in the video, I'm very impressed. I'm definitely going to get some of these.

Any ides on what paints the Beasts Of War guys used on the figure?

Turned out nice. The gun, which was my point of concern previously, has become quite an attractive feature.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Aside from the pure fail of the greatcoat billowing like women's pantalooons, why are "gritty" greatcoat soldiers armed with what appear to be paintball markers?

ROFL

With as much paintball as I play why the hell didnt I see that earlier!

In The Grim Darkness Of The Future, There Is Only AutoCocker! Pap! Pap! Pap! Pap!...........Hit! )

The video put these guys on my to buy list. I think I´ll grab a squad or two to use as veterans.

M.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Aside from the pure fail of the greatcoat billowing like women's pantalooons, why are "gritty" greatcoat soldiers armed with what appear to be paintball markers?

Probably because the guys at WGF are rubbish at actually creating stuff, they're much more comfortable at copying something that already exists. Which of course serves them adequately when making Romans and Vikings, but means that they have no business making sci-fi models. I suppose we should be grateful the guys aren't armed with WW2 rifles and MG42s.

@Aga2: don't get me wrong, it's a good copy of a drop-tank paintball marker with an autococker - it's just that I don't see those as far future weapons.

That said, a high-pressure marker is arguably more lethal than a lasgun, so maybe there's something to it?

I'm not sure, but the guns in that video didn't quite look like that image, so they might have changed it a bit since then.

Agamemnon2 wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Aside from the pure fail of the greatcoat billowing like women's pantalooons, why are "gritty" greatcoat soldiers armed with what appear to be paintball markers?

Probably because the guys at WGF are rubbish at actually creating stuff, they're much more comfortable at copying something that already exists. Which of course serves them adequately when making Romans and Vikings, but means that they have no business making sci-fi models. I suppose we should be grateful the guys aren't armed with WW2 rifles and MG42s.

To be honest I have to agree with you. They seem to have a pretty bad concept/creation system going there, most of their gun ideas are whack, the greatcoats are different lengths at different parts (the bottom is flat), and some of the aesthetic choices are mismatching styles.

The most important thing:
How much does it cost?

RUNE wrote:The most important thing:
How much does it cost?

If they price them like their Roman line, it would be $30 (USD) for 48 figures. At that price, I don't much care about nitpicky stuff.

At this moment it is by the sprue and I would believe that is 4 to 5 of them for $5.00 their abouts. You can sign up for them already on their Liberty League area. Plus the more people order the fast they will produce them.

Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

I can appreciate that this is their first foray into creating something unique and not readily available via other miniatures companies. I wouldn't call them "rubbish" especially given the fact that they are in their infancy as a company and trying a concept that allows people to direct them in what they make for the masses. But to each his own opinion ...

For me, I really like the look that they have pulled together for them. Irregardless of detail issues (shoulder pads, coat billows) and personal preference (I would have done this or that...) I will gladly get some of these for use as Heretics and Planetary Defense Troops. They'll be inexpensive enough for me to get plenty for both and they're still "gothic" enough to fit into a 40K theme for my tastes. And I can throw them at my Dark Heresy RPG players without them immediately assuming they are allies or adversaries.

Good stuff, IMO.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

I'll be curious to see what these price out as. A per-sprue price will likely only be available at first to those who pre-order or as a limited run like the vikings, and I wouldn't be surprised if it was lower than that. If it follows the other WF releases it will then be offered as a pack of figures, probably priced/packed similarly to the Zulu War British. As these are not kits with extra weapons sprues, I wouldn't be surprised if, after the pack comes out, they are available as a set only.

The real kicker will be seeing what they go for at discount online retailers.

Video has me convinced, they'll find themselves next to a bunch of my tanks soon. But I also heard they are going to end up "around" 19.95 for 18 of them.....that was from someone who works there....or about $1.11 per mini...(i think - his math not mine), as compared to $2.50 or more for other companies plastics...

Just shows how different a mini is when painted, not bad at all. Few things I'd have done differently but meh, overall they do the job.

I hope Wargames Factory do well from this.

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

So $16.67 per squad of 10, or $33.33 per block of 20?

That's GW-like pricing for fewer poses and bitz. Not impressive.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

So $16.67 per squad of 10, or $33.33 per block of 20?

That's GW-like pricing for fewer poses and bitz. Not impressive.

Since a squad 10 Guardsmen costs $22.00, that comparison is incorrect. Further, we don't yet know what poses and bitz the greatcoats are going to come with.

Fetterkey wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

So $16.67 per squad of 10, or $33.33 per block of 20?

That's GW-like pricing for fewer poses and bitz. Not impressive.

Since a squad 10 Guardsmen costs $22.00, that comparison is incorrect. Further, we don't yet know what poses and bitz the greatcoats are going to come with.

MSRP is $22; we all know that 20-25% discounts are easily found on the internet.

Seriously. GW doesn't give you jack gak for IG options anymore. $22 for two flamers and two grenade launchers! YEAH, because every guard player spams those. I'd rather pay $30 for 20-30 guys and then pay forge world for well sculpted specials weapons

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

So $16.67 per squad of 10, or $33.33 per block of 20?

That's GW-like pricing for fewer poses and bitz. Not impressive.

Another testament to their failure. WGF went overboard with the amount of weapons, nitbits and head options on the sprue, when the only thing their potential customers care about is getting top-of-the-market quality at dirt cheap prices.

Fetterkey wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Agamemnon2 wrote:Three-man sprues, so looks like $5 for 3, or $1.67 per figure.

So $16.67 per squad of 10, or $33.33 per block of 20?

That's GW-like pricing for fewer poses and bitz. Not impressive.

Since a squad 10 Guardsmen costs $22.00, that comparison is incorrect. Further, we don't yet know what poses and bitz the greatcoats are going to come with.

The last time I checked, 20 Guardsmen were $35, so the price comparison is indeed correct. Only a fool wouldn't have bought prior to the rebox.

Pose-wise, I think GW gives more choices, given that WGF will have a maximum of 3 poses for 3 figures.

Only a fool? Not, say, someone who's just now starting a IG army and doesn't keep on the reboxing news?

That's be like me saying Only a Fool would start a DoW army...

Just got an e-mail from the folks at wargames factory it looks like it's going to be $5 sprue (3 figs per sprue) and box of 18 for $19.95.

Looks like I was right about the box, but wrong about the sprue availablility. I have to say I'm pretty impressed by those prices! Assuming that Warstore gives this set the same discount it gives other WF stuff, we're looking at $16 for 18 figs, or 89 cents a fig!

I like that alot, and it comes to just a hair over half the price of the GW cadians! Being the cheapskate that I am, it's pretty great to be able to buy a new box of good looking figs that cost the same as targeted price for buying used cadians.

JohnHwangDD wrote:The last time I checked, 20 Guardsmen were $35, so the price comparison is indeed correct. Only a fool wouldn't have bought prior to the rebox.

Pose-wise, I think GW gives more choices, given that WGF will have a maximum of 3 poses for 3 figures.

That was before GW shafted IG players. I bought old boxed troops before the switch, but the fact is now cadians/catachans are $22 for 10, or a 25% increase. Interestingly, with a 20% discount, the current pricing of 30 guardsmen is $52.3, and 30 sci fi greatcoats is $50. You can get an even bigger discount on the GW stuff to save more. You can't on the WGF. WGF has inferior quality sculpts, concepts (imo), weapons, range of bits, etc. I am generally disappointed in the Sci Fi greatcoats. Low quality, low bits options, low pose-ability. Same price as GW. Pass.

EDIT: seeing the 18 for $20 makes it a much better deal. Now I would consider them a possibility rather than totally inferior, but I still don't think that I would buy any.

I'm reserving judgement on these until I see the sprues. I am cautiously optimistic that they will provide a good, low-cost alternative to Imperial Guardsmen. They currently seem better than Catachans and roughly equivalent to Cadians in terms of quality, so I'm hopeful. I do feel that this release comes later than it should have, however. IMO if they had worked to get these out faster, when people were still building IG armies for the new Codex, they could have received a lot more sales.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:That's be like me saying Only a Fool would start a DoW army...

At this point, only a fool would start a DoW army.

Or start Chaos Dwarves, Squats, or Dark Eldar, for that matter.

All of these armies dead & buried until further notice from GW, and I wouldn't advise anybody to start any of them. At least, not in good conscience.

Still it's kinda silly to say that only a fool would buy IG now. What about people adding more squads, or someone just getting in to IG, or any of the other myriad reasons why someone might buy a current IG troops box.

You can't do comparisons to old pricing and old opportunities. Also, it's 18 for $20 vs. 20 for $35 so they are still way cheaper.

18 for 20 is good!
3 Boxes would have me sorted, more or less, for what I want to do.

Heaven forbid someone uses these for anything other than 40k.

George Spiggott wrote:Heaven forbid someone uses these for anything other than 40k.

agreed, I planned on usingthem in a game against the trenchers from troll forge, untill a few more mutants come out. Then post apocolyptic

Wow. It looks surprisingly good painted. I don't have a need for these right now but I'm FAR more inclined to just buy some anyway.

George Spiggott wrote:Heaven forbid someone uses these for anything other than 40k.

Around these parts, almost everything is judged near-exclusively based on its applicability for 40k use, nothing else seems to matter.

At the stated price, I'll go for a box of these, giving me 10 stormtroopers or veterans plus extras for heavy weapons and variations.

For those that like me don't have access to video from work:



I'm definatelly going to buy at least 40 of these guys, slap some Pig Iron heads on them and use them as a platoon to my IG. Now I just need to get some ideas on how to do the HWTs...

George Spiggott wrote:Heaven forbid someone uses these for anything other than 40k.

Yeah, how dare people look at things through the prism of 40K usage on what is a 40Kcentric forum. That way lies madness.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Heaven forbid someone uses these for anything other than 40k.

Yeah, how dare people look at things through the prism of 40K usage on what is a 40Kcentric forum. That way lies madness.

It's not so much a prism as a filter. or a set of blinders, if you like.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:Heaven forbid someone uses these for anything other than 40k.

Yeah, how dare people look at things through the prism of 40K usage on what is a 40Kcentric forum. That way lies madness.

What the deuce!

JohnHwangDD wrote:

chaplaingrabthar wrote:That's be like me saying Only a Fool would start a DoW army...

At this point, only a fool would start a DoW army.

Or start Chaos Dwarves, Squats, or Dark Eldar, for that matter.

All of these armies dead & buried until further notice from GW, and I wouldn't advise anybody to start any of them. At least, not in good conscience.

Yeah, my 1/2 finished chaos stunty army is just sitting around collecting dust.

Wow, the combat shotgun had me really interested, these underslung weapons do not. Put the handle on the right way and I like it.

Other wise I say please keep the standard 5 bodies per sprue and sell a special weapon spure in addition.

JohnHwangDD wrote:All of these armies dead & buried until further notice from GW, and I wouldn't advise anybody to start any of them. At least, not in good conscience.

That's odd, because of those three, you can still buy one of them as a freely available and supported army. Not supported very well mind you, but supported none-the-less. Hell, in GW's upcoming Battle Missions book they even get their own section.

So are they dead and buried, or is your moon-landing-denial bias coming back in full force - or did someone just touch a nerve with the Dogs of War comment?

so does anyone have a full price set for these guys (as in):

blister
sprue
box set
possible multi box deal?

Bodichi wrote:Wow, the combat shotgun had me really interested, these underslung weapons do not. Put the handle on the right way and I like it.

Other wise I say please keep the standard 5 bodies per sprue and sell a special weapon spure in addition.

That was talked about, the deal is each sprue is several thousand dollars to craft so squeezing everything onto one sprue cuts costs and risk in half.

If they are a hit there is no shortage of ideas for expansions but for their first foray into science fiction they wanted something that could be done on one sprue.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:
What the deuce!

I don't really have anything to say. I just wanted to quote that picture.

lord marcus wrote:so does anyone have a full price set for these guys (as in):

blister
sprue
box set
possible multi box deal?

-They won't be blister packed
-3 figs on a sprue for $5
-18 in a box for $19.95 MSRP
-No word on a box deal, WF says there might be a special sprue deal before the box set comes out.

Eilif wrote:
-18 in a box for $19.95 MSRP

As a reminder, GW's 10 year old Catachans are 10 for $22.

Update-they're now giving thought to a command/heavy weapon sprue and taking suggestions.

http://wargamesfactory.lefora.com/2010/02/20/greatcoat-heavy-weaponscommand-22010/

i say destroy the model and make a better one. no german helmet. I AM SICK OF SEEING THAT HELMET!!

Warboss Narznok wrote:i say destroy the model and make a better one. no german helmet. I AM SICK OF SEEING THAT HELMET!!

and your just one opinon, look they normally have pre-orders for only 1000 sprues now that sounds like a lot to some people but that isn't...these great coats have gone up to 3000, and are still looking at rising and thats just pre-orders. No matter what some of you nah sayers may have to say obviously a TON of people want these(myself included for 15 sprues).

Okay, if the deal is 18 for 19.95 I am in. Just please give those guns normal grips!