Alex Kolodotschko wrote:New Basilisk and some Chimera Variants confirmed to be released in March.

Alex Kolodotschko wrote:Here are the prices, should be fairly easy to work out. Only tricky one is the orks:
<Space Marine plastic box code> £26.00 / US$43.00 / 35,00 € / Oz$72.00
<Orks plastic box code> £27.00 / US$44.50 / 35,00 € / Oz$74.00
<Orks plastic box code> £30.00 / US$49.50 / 39,00 € / Oz$83.00
<Imperial Guard plastic box code> £20.00 / US$35.00 / 30,00 € / Oz$55.00
<Imperial Guard plastic box code> £30.00 / US$49.50 / 39,00 € / Oz$83.00
<Scenery plastic box code> £15.00 / US$24.75 / 19,50 € / Oz$41.00

I'm not expecting much fron the scenery. Probably some objective markers or barricades or something.

Alex Kolodotschko wrote:

I'm not expecting much fron the scenery. Probably some objective markers or barricades or something.

cygnnus wrote:I'm kinda hoping GW's played their whole "hiding new releases in plain sight" game again with the 'NidDex and that some of the (many) painted capillary towers and/or spore chimneys from the 'Dex are plastic and not FW resin...

Vale,

JohnS

Alpharius wrote:I was hoping that we'd have confirmation of the IQ tank variants being in the new Basilisk kit, but I don't think that's happened yet...

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reds8n wrote:I'm afraid my lack of knowledge about ork weapon options prevents me from being too much help here, but you get a fair few options for rockets, close combat weapons/klaws, machine gun type things and so on.

reds8n wrote:I'm afraid my lack of knowledge about ork weapon options prevents me from being too much help here, but you get a fair few options for rockets, close combat weapons/klaws, machine gun type things and so on.

reds8n wrote:.there's even rumours about the kit in fact only making the Basilisk...

http://commissar.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Rumors&action=display&thread=9338&page=2

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Being plastic, I would be quite disappointed if we don't get the full gamut of options for a Deff Dredd, or at least two of each weapon for the more common loadouts (two gunz, to klawz).

Kirasu wrote:Im surprised GW would only produce a basilisk when no one even uses them.. Yet produce a new demolisher kit with multiple options

Agamemnon2 wrote:

reds8n wrote:.there's even rumours about the kit in fact only making the Basilisk...

http://commissar.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=Rumors&action=display&thread=9338&page=2

Ain't that just the most insulting thing you've ever heard? And to think they have the audacity call it a "new release".

skrulnik wrote:So it is a recut of the Bassy so they can use the new Chimera frame and pull out the accessory sprue?

Wow. Talk about a screw job. Bet the price bumps up a little as well.

reds8n wrote: To clarify we ARE getting a "three pack" of Kans, plastic deff dredd and venerable dreadnought.

Skarboy wrote:When does GW typically advertise for preorders? A couple weeks before release? Sooner?

Superscope wrote:I'm quite interested in the battle missons book due next month. While we had a strong amount of tyranid rumors going roughly in the same time frame, i would like to know if their are any more/new rumors of this incoming book.

Thank you for your time

Howlingmoon wrote:

Superscope wrote:I'm quite interested in the battle missons book due next month. While we had a strong amount of tyranid rumors going roughly in the same time frame, i would like to know if their are any more/new rumors of this incoming book.

Thank you for your time

Spoiler:

Everything you've been told is a lie!

Alpharius wrote:Um, he's kidding.

I think.

That was the 'official' GW line back when they were trying to convince everyone that:

1) Online Forums are BAD and full of nonsense. (Er, well, they're half right!)

2) NO, the mystery box is NOT Space Hulk. (OK, it is Space Hulk!)

Anung Un Rama wrote:

reds8n wrote: To clarify we ARE getting a "three pack" of Kans, plastic deff dredd and venerable dreadnought.

That was surprisingly clear and honest from you satan. Any word on plastic Stormtroopers for guard?

reds8n wrote:

Anung Un Rama wrote:

reds8n wrote: To clarify we ARE getting a "three pack" of Kans, plastic deff dredd and venerable dreadnought.

That was surprisingly clear and honest from you satan. Any word on plastic Stormtroopers for guard?

Not yet, I reckon they might be pushed back until we see a/any Inquisitor codex perhaps ? Those greens we saw a while back were armed with shotguns, if memory serves, which isn't an option for them in the current guard codex is it ?

Deff dredd is nice enough, personally I think the venerable dredd is a bit of a missed opportunity, but it at least looks better than the metal venerable model. IMO of course. Generally though more plastic is good.

I have heard that the new orky bits -- from the dredd at least -- is,again, compatible with the other current wave of orky vehicles.

One thing I am wondering which might go at least some way to justify any £/$ change with the Basilisk is whetehr it might come with a closed crew compartment option ? It would be handy and,AFAIK, there's no way of doing it "officially" other than FW at the moment.... right ? IT's been a good few years since I bought a Basilisk kit.

JRedbeard wrote:I guess im not that business savvy, but I dont understand why they keep this stuff a secret.

If they told me on March 15th they were releasing kits for missing artillery / tank options for the guard then I'd start setting my money aside now. I want like 6 hydras just for fun, and its going to cost me.

But its all secret and mysterious, maybe ill just buy a computer game or three in the meantime, and have no money when this stuff releases, seems like lost opportunity on their part.

I dont know, but maybe im missing something.

JRedbeard wrote:I guess im not that business savvy, but I dont understand why they keep this stuff a secret.

If they told me on March 15th they were releasing kits for missing artillery / tank options for the guard then I'd start setting my money aside now. I want like 6 hydras just for fun, and its going to cost me.

But its all secret and mysterious, maybe ill just buy a computer game or three in the meantime, and have no money when this stuff releases, seems like lost opportunity on their part.

I dont know, but maybe im missing something.

BrassScorpion wrote:I would expect that the new Basilisk kit has at least one if not two other artillery variants in the box given the $49.50 US price point.
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reds8n wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:I would expect that the new Basilisk kit has at least one if not two other artillery variants in the box given the $49.50 US price point.
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Or it tunrs out not to be the basilisk at all but something else wonderfully beautiful and nonvampire shiny.

reds8n wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:I would expect that the new Basilisk kit has at least one if not two other artillery variants in the box given the $49.50 US price point.
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Or it tunrs out not to be the basilisk at all but something else wonderfully beautiful and nonvampire shiny.

reds8n wrote:Or it tunrs out not to be the basilisk at all but something else wonderfully beautiful and nonvampire shiny.

Kanluwen wrote:Hey. Psyker Battle Squads are easy. Flagellants and Plague Monks/Zombies.

Hydras and the rest already exist. Forge World makes them.

The kits aren't high on the priority list for that reason alone, I'd say.

Kanluwen wrote:Hey. Psyker Battle Squads are easy. Flagellants and Plague Monks/Zombies.

Hydras and the rest already exist. Forge World makes them.

The kits aren't high on the priority list for that reason alone, I'd say.

Agamemnon2 wrote:because the new Basilisk doesn't have any. In fact, it seems we've already seen it, since at least one Battle Missions preview had a picture of a Basilisk with Hellhound-style side plates. That's all, folks.

UltraPrime wrote:

Alpharius wrote:Um, he's kidding.

I think.

That was the 'official' GW line back when they were trying to convince everyone that:

1) Online Forums are BAD and full of nonsense. (Er, well, they're half right!)

2) NO, the mystery box is NOT Space Hulk. (OK, it is Space Hulk!)

Unfortunately, that phrase has been overused so much it's just tedious now.

Kurgash wrote:No new plastic tomb spyder I had hoped for make me =(

JRedbeard wrote:I guess im not that business savvy, but I dont understand why they keep this stuff a secret.

If they told me on March 15th they were releasing kits for missing artillery / tank options for the guard then I'd start setting my money aside now. I want like 6 hydras just for fun, and its going to cost me.

But its all secret and mysterious, maybe ill just buy a computer game or three in the meantime, and have no money when this stuff releases, seems like lost opportunity on their part.

I dont know, but maybe im missing something.

Harms66 wrote:

Kurgash wrote:No new plastic tomb spyder I had hoped for make me =(

Oh come on, Necron are finished, it just that GM's to scared to admit it.

Wurr?? wrote:
Hey, because there is nothing more fun than throwing more fuel on the speculation fire, on the US GW site, the Chimera and the Killa Kans are missing. Is this true for other people?

I am guessing this will all be a moot point in a day or two.

Flashman wrote:Probably updated tomorrow, both Warhammer and 40K Advance Order pages are tumbleweed city at the moment...

Dysartes wrote:The interesting questions now are what extras will the kits contain? reds8n has pretty much confirmed that the ven dread doesn't help SM players get all their weapon options in plastic, for instance.

Will the Chimera have options for the codex weapon mounts?
Will the Basilisk kit make any other artillery options?
Will the Killa Kans be vaguely straightforward to construct?
Will the Deff Dread be able to hear anything?

All these questions, and more, may be answered when the Advance Order page gets updated.....

Harms66 wrote:

The Basilisk stil only has the massive earthshaker cannon

Harms66 wrote:

THe Killa Kans and Dread looks cool, and 3 kans for £27, not too bad.

Paladin Blake wrote:Congratulations, GW. Way to make the Basilisk even less appealing.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:Does anyone have a table of contents or similar for the Battle Missions book?

(read: What are the Tau or Salamander scenarios therein?)

Okay guys, got the Battle Missions book in my hand ! It was the French version, please forgive my bad English.

30 missions, 3 for each faction (IG, SM, CSM, Daemons, Tyranids, Eldars, Dark Eldars, Necrons, Orks, Tau). No Inquisition, no specific SM chapters.

You choose your battle missions by :
- throwing 1d6. The winner get to use one random mission from the 3 of his faction ;
- randomly (using 1d66)
- super randomly. Throw 1d6 on a table, giving you 3 choices (standard rulebook, first method, random method).

The missions are very different, using lots of deployments variants and one or two specific (simple) rules. Each faction gets 8 pages : 2 of fluff, and 2 for each mission.

In the end, there are 3 special missions :
- Commandos : 200pts, special FOC (0-1 Elite, 0-1 Fast Attack, 0-2 Troops) ;
- 3 Baneblades against whoever feels suicidary enough ;
- QG duel, without using named characters.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Nothing for Inquisition. So nice that they remember us...

H.B.M.C. wrote:Nothing for Inquisition. So nice that they remember us...

Howlingmoon wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:Nothing for Inquisition. So nice that they remember us...

The guy that was gonna write the Inquisition missions is still in the toilet with a case of the Squats.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Nothing for Inquisition. So nice that they remember us...

Guys that commando missions isnt called Commando...

Its called Kill Team (Yeah I know)

Not allot like the old one... All models act on thier own, 200 pts max

You may select 3 models in your armies and give them any USR from the book. None of the specialists may have the same rule.


No restrictions other than what was mentioned before

0-1 ELite
0-2 Troops
0-1 Fast Attack
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Saw the other missions also, seems that there are a couple that allow Super Heavies, the Baneblade one (a whole normal 1500 pt army, vs 3 baneblades). And a marine one where they can take a thunderhawk for 900 pts (same as apoc I believe). It stays around until turn 3 before leaving the table. If the hawk is killed the marine player auto losses...

Basic run down of what I can remember, cant remember what the opponent gets all the time >.<. All armies get 3

Eldar:
Flank March, where anyone can outflank,
one where kill points are used allot (every aspect warrior and enemy troops gives 2 KP's and hqs 3 or something like that)

Nids:First one has the table divided into 6 parts. Every nid unit starts in reserves and comes in on a table edge decided by a D6 (each number correspoding to a table section)... Im not sure but I think all non vehicle units can score

Second one the nid player divied his army onto 3 waves... Enemy sets up sorta like this

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Nid player sends in one wave per turn, choosing which of the 3 edges he wants to come in. Cant come in on one used by another wave previously.

Last nid one makes all area terrain dangerous terrain. Nids get stealth on all models, while the enemy gets prefered enemy

Dark Eldar
All dark eldar missions have the DE player going first on a 2+

One of them has it stay night fight rule every turn unless a 6 is rolled at the end of the turn... SOme other bonuses but cant remember (again)

Second one is a slave/prisoner fight. Whenever an enemy looses or killed in assault (doesnt matter if they are sweeped or remain in assault) they count up the models lost (Not sure exactly how this works... Once again, cant remember)... GUy who has the most prisoners wins...

Marines:
Initial assault, this is the thunderhawk one im talking about... All marine infantry can score.

Gaurd:
Battle of attrition, all enemy and gaurd troops have Without Number

This is all I can remember off the top of my head... WHile some seem overpowered the enemy gets bonuses also...

Right then guys, I have seen and had a good look at the shiny new battle missions book, and I've come to share what I have learned! First off, lets get a good look at the missions themselves, in full:

Chaos Marines
1. Pillage
2. Black Crusade
3. Scorched Earth

Chaos Daemons
1. Night Fight
2. Invasion
3. Fight to the Death

Dark Eldar
1. Dawn Raid
2. Slave Raid
3. Feigned Retreat

Eldar
1. Pre-emptive Strike
2. Flank Attack
3. Mobile Defence

Imperial Guard
1. Prepared Assault
2. War of Attrition
3. Trench Warfare

Necrons
1. Ambush
2. Reconnaissance in Force
3. Implaccable Advance

Orks
1. Blitzkrieg
2. Waaagh!
3. Cut & Run

Space Marines
1. Vanguard
2. Surprise Attack
3. All-round Defence

Tau
1. Vertical Envelopment
2. Counter-Attack
3. Fighting Withdrawal

Tyranids
1. First Contact
2. Wave Assault
3. Infestation

Universal (all armies)
1. Kill Team
2. Linebreaker
3. Clash of Heroes

So then, what else can I tell you. Well, first the book itself is very nice. Its well put together, some good bits of fluff and some great shots of models/battles. I'm also happy to say I can allay some fears about the race-specific missions. Although they are clearly designed with each army in mind, this is more from a fluff point of view. It is clear that any army could happily play any mission, indeed this is expressed in the foreword. There is no reason why a Marine army couldn't play the Counter-Attack mission in the role normally filled by Tau, for example. This means we are in effect getting 33 new missions, as opposed to the few for whatever races your gaming group has.

As far the missions themselves go, they are a mixed bag. Some are subtle changes of deployment zone or objective placement, while others are really off the wall or ingenious. My personal favourite so far is a Guard mission that has a random bombardment. This involves cutting out bombardment counters, holding them 36'' above the table and letting them 'flutter' down. Wherever they rest suffers a large blast hit. I think this is a really simple but awesome idea (though not one for tournaments). There are other similar surprises throughout the book.

Finally I'm going to highlight the last three missions. Not only do we see a slightly modified return of Kill Team, but also a hero centric battle where only characters are allowed to kill off other characters. These seem like a real blast to play, and I'll be trying them out as soon as I can.
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Further to the much talked about Space Marines mission - Thunderhawk costs 900 points and takes up one each of Elite, Fast Attack and Heavy Support slots. Arrives automatically on Turn 1, takes off on Turn 3. If destroyed, Space Marines lose the mission automatically.

Sarrazon wrote:I saw something in the other thread that makes me think that it's just the killing blow that needs to be done by the character, and that all your units can do damage, just not kill them.

If not, think about the new 'nid codex with the Doom of Malan'tai...

Kurgash wrote:I'm interested in how Necrons would do the Clash of Heroes, as our only named characters are C'tan. What named characters can fairly go against those provided the C'tan wasn't chipped down already?

You may select 3 models in your armies and give them any USR from the book. None of the specialists may have the same rule.

Lowinor wrote:

You may select 3 models in your armies and give them any USR from the book. None of the specialists may have the same rule.

"Swarms" is a special rule. If this is the case, I can have a guy specialized in being a swarm. I want to see that classroom at the IG base.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:Seems like the Tau would be fairly bone on that character killing mission, outside of Farsight.

Lowinor wrote:

You may select 3 models in your armies and give them any USR from the book. None of the specialists may have the same rule.

"Swarms" is a special rule. If this is the case, I can have a guy specialized in being a swarm. I want to see that classroom at the IG base.

kronk wrote:

Lowinor wrote:

You may select 3 models in your armies and give them any USR from the book. None of the specialists may have the same rule.

"Swarms" is a special rule. If this is the case, I can have a guy specialized in being a swarm. I want to see that classroom at the IG base.

I guess. You'd be vulnerable to blast templates and calculating your cover is modified. That's all you'd get out of it.