Nvm, didn't realize we were already on page 2.

Dark Angels and Inqustion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY NEED IT!!!
or Black Templars with inqustion both of them need it alot.

Defiler wrote:why isn't my book coming out first etc.

Because they're a terrible idea that didn't sell the first time?

Just guessing here

Anyway for what little it's worth Inquisition was the hint the local Red Shirts are dropping, pointing out they can't reorder the big =I=.

If we get that I promise to do the happy dance.

Brother SRM wrote: have GW ever done an April Fool's joke?

Not intentionally...

However, they did release this:

Brother SRM wrote:

Defiler wrote:Dark Eldar! MUWAHAHAHA etc 12 years waiting without a etc why isn't my book coming out first etc.

You don't need to say etc. three times in one sentence. Once at the end will suffice.

Oh, I don't? Here I was under the assumption that three wasn't even nearly enough for a Dark Eldar related posting, but I'm glad we have stand up fellows like yourself to interject pro-tips such as this. I will, of course take your guidance under careful consideration in the future.

If it is Inquisition, I can only pray they get rid of the ally system....

However, if this is the case, it sounds like a single codex. Will it replace both the Demonhunter and Witch Hunter codexes?

If a Grey Knight codex is released this year I will be a very happy man. Hell, I'm at half mast just thinking about it right now. With the new advance in Terminator sculpts I think new Grey Knight Terminators would just be unreal.

Asherian Command wrote:Dark Angels and Inqustion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY NEED IT!!!
or Black Templars with inqustion both of them need it alot.

Can't remember where I heard it, but it was from a reliable source, in response to someone asking about Black Templars and they said it was going to be a lighter color than that...

I'd like to see more Xenos, but I know the reality of what sells means it's probably going to be an Inquisition based SM variant (either GK or SoB)

Defiler wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Defiler wrote:Dark Eldar! MUWAHAHAHA etc 12 years waiting without a etc why isn't my book coming out first etc.

You don't need to say etc. three times in one sentence. Once at the end will suffice.

Oh, I don't? Here I was under the assumption that three wasn't even nearly enough for a Dark Eldar related posting, but I'm glad we have stand up fellows like yourself to interject pro-tips such as this. I will, of course take your guidance under careful consideration in the future.

I'm the resident grammar Nazi. Deal with it.

Brother SRM wrote:

Defiler wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Defiler wrote:Dark Eldar! MUWAHAHAHA etc 12 years waiting without a etc why isn't my book coming out first etc.

You don't need to say etc. three times in one sentence. Once at the end will suffice.

Oh, I don't? Here I was under the assumption that three wasn't even nearly enough for a Dark Eldar related posting, but I'm glad we have stand up fellows like yourself to interject pro-tips such as this. I will, of course take your guidance under careful consideration in the future.

I'm the resident grammar Nazi. Deal with it.

More like, you're the resident "massive over-stater". It's serious business to trivialize what the Nazi Party accomplished versus something like a teenager attempting to correct the structure of an entirely facetious post that isn't governed by redundancy.

Deal with it.

Defiler wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Defiler wrote:

Brother SRM wrote:

Defiler wrote:Dark Eldar! MUWAHAHAHA etc 12 years waiting without a etc why isn't my book coming out first etc.

You don't need to say etc. three times in one sentence. Once at the end will suffice.

Oh, I don't? Here I was under the assumption that three wasn't even nearly enough for a Dark Eldar related posting, but I'm glad we have stand up fellows like yourself to interject pro-tips such as this. I will, of course take your guidance under careful consideration in the future.

I'm the resident grammar Nazi. Deal with it.

More like, you're the resident "massive over-stater". It's serious business to trivialize what the Nazi Party accomplished versus something like a teenager attempting to correct the structure of an entirely facetious post that isn't governed by redundancy.

Deal with it.

Oh DO go on, I was hoping you might eventually get to the rumors as opposed to this... distraction [/hedonismbot]

That actually was pretty funny. As you wish.

Well, to start - I remember someone (one of the dev's) being quoted as saying that Grey Knights weren't in the cards or something to that effect last year, and that they had just been started.

I remember, this one fellow from Warseer I think, stating that he has contact with someone in the team (again, just rumors but that's what we're here for) and said that over some drinks in a pub at Nottingham he gleaned some Grey Knight Info.

The models are being discussed, over on Warseer in the 2010 model thread - by some gent who claims to have seen new releases meant for 2010 and beyond, or alongside the battle missions release.

BrassScorpion is now stating something to the effect of "Think, lighter colors" and that, to me implies Grey Knights - out of the Inquisition. Forgeworld worked on that Inquisitor terminator last year I believe? And signs seem to be pointing towards Grey Knights later this year.

So those are some rumors for you. I'm too lazy to quote sources and find posts, but scouring BOLS, DD and BattleProphet will help one put the pieces together.

hmm Silver is lighter than black....maybe I can join the massed hordes of rumor mongers now and have my expectations dashed too!

Hasn't Necrons been 'about a year away' for like 2 years now? I heard they even had an author on it and everything (Matt Ward).

Considering how screwed they got by 5E rules compared to any other army, I really do think they deserve it.

But then again, an =][= codex would be cool: SoB needing 50 point rhinos is just stupid.

I don't really think a joint tri-Ordo codex makes much sense though. How many times in the fluff have Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and the Sisters taken the field together? And Inquisitors are well-known to be rarely friendly toward each other.

Ostrakon wrote:Hasn't Necrons been 'about a year away' for like 2 years now? I heard they even had an author on it and everything (Matt Ward).

Only if you believe known pranks and April Fools jokes. They were never coming last year, and were generally considered improbable-to-an-outside-chance at the end of this year.

I'm pretty sure they would combine both books into one and cancel out the ally system. Guard codex is strong enough.

You remember back in the day that the game designers talked about changing their codecies away from requiring other books and moving to having each codex be a standalone?

...

With Space Wolves redone and blood angels on the horizon, the only codex that "requires" other codecies is the hugely obsolete inquisition codex.

This is all conjecture and has no basis on rumors or knowledge from anybody. You can bet that if I knew for sure I would not post about it.

From what I have gathered it doesn't seem like GW are particularly keen to redo the Inquisition codices for whatever reason. Doing them as one book goes against their current trend of doing stand alone books but doing them as multiple books they seem to see as too much work for a fringe (i.e not Marines) army.

The problem is that leaving them as they are leaves GW with a real thorn in their side as far as balancing is concerned, the Inquisition codices can produce some potentially nasty combinations with the 5th edition armies which they will always have to base things around until the update them.

In any case they probably need model updates more than they need rules updates, plastic SoB, plastic Grey Knights and plastic Stormtroopers so they are actually affordable to collect.

I expect Necrons or Dark Eldar to come after Blood Angels. Depending on the release schedule and whether we see 3 or 4 40k updates this year really. Whatever happens I think Dark Eldar won't be a Nov/Dec release (not hugely marketable) so either 4 releases this year and they come before Necrons or 3 releases and we see them next year.

Codex Inquisition makes a large degree of sense for a lot of reason, but MAN it still makes me a grumpy gus for the poor Necron and DE players out there.

Well.. from the infomation we've gathered up we can come to 3 logical choices after blood angels

Likelyhood in order from top to bottom...

-Inquisition Codex
-Necron Codex
-Tau Codex

As of Mid December turn that list upside down Superscope.

Tau..... don't need it yet. Black Templars need it more
Inqustion Codex
Necrons
Dark Eldar
Black Templars
Squats!
Tau
This list was developed by people who believe it to be so!

Kurgash wrote:hmm Silver is lighter than black....maybe I can join the massed hordes of rumor mongers now and have my expectations dashed too!

Everything is lighter than black. I think that was kind of the tongue-in-cheek point of the hint.

Asherian Command wrote:Tau..... don't need it yet. Black Templars need it more
Inqustion Codex
Necrons
Dark Eldar
Black Templars
Squats!
Tau
This list was developed by people who believe it to be so!

What a whole new army? I figure there will be a now SM Chapter before a new xeno army.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:As of Mid December turn that list upside down Superscope.

I hope not.

Although Crons are hurting (possibly the most? I don't play every army so I have no idea), I have no problem with other armies getting codices that need them. So far we had SM and IG (most popular, makes sense they'd get them first), SW (neglected for too long) and Tyranids (no idea if it was necessary, based on what some people I know say it was).

If =][= got it, that'd be cool because their codices are miserably outdated. And I'd love to see some Deathwatch rules, or maybe even the ability to field more assassins.

Same goes for DE, they need it.

But Tau doesn't need it.

Ostrakon wrote:
I don't really think a joint tri-Ordo codex makes much sense though. How many times in the fluff have Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and the Sisters taken the field together? And Inquisitors are well-known to be rarely friendly toward each other.

I assure you, if a combined codex happened they would write more fluff to make it look like the 3 ordos hang out as often as the characters in Friends. Also, it's easy to imagine there being crossover between the Ordos, such as an Ordo Hereticus investigation into a mysterious religious sect uncovering a genestealer cult, and needing the support of the xenohunters and deathwatch to deal with it.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

Demogerg wrote:
What?

Dark Eldar was released back in 98'

Dark Eldar's Second edition 3rd Edition book came out in 2k3 (this was the one that included Vect as playable, Vehicle upgrades such as Night Shields etc, Arcane Wargear, and other special characters as well as misc changes to various units)


As far as SW is concerned... For some reason I recalled them being mixed up in the 4th edition linup with BT, DA, etc... my B

About 90% of the changes to the second printing of the book were merely inclusions of changes that were originally presented in a White Dwarf article and an update for vehicle upgrades that appeared on GW's website.

Leggy wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:
I don't really think a joint tri-Ordo codex makes much sense though. How many times in the fluff have Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and the Sisters taken the field together? And Inquisitors are well-known to be rarely friendly toward each other.

I assure you, if a combined codex happened they would write more fluff to make it look like the 3 ordos hang out as often as the characters in Friends. Also, it's easy to imagine there being crossover between the Ordos, such as an Ordo Hereticus investigation into a mysterious religious sect uncovering a genestealer cult, and needing the support of the xenohunters and deathwatch to deal with it.

Ugh, I hope not. Everything regarding the Inquisition I've read regarding cooperation has been something like this:

1) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, takes care of situation even though he's not Hereticus because that's his job.
2) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, dumps problem in lap of Ordo Hereticus.
or, worse
3) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, not his problem, doesn't tell anyone.

The fluff for Daemons and Chaos space marines makes bugger all sense compared to the old fluff, GW change the fluff to suit their current needs. I haven't actually got a problem with that, as long as the new fluff is interesting and well written.

Ostrakon wrote:

Leggy wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:
I don't really think a joint tri-Ordo codex makes much sense though. How many times in the fluff have Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and the Sisters taken the field together? And Inquisitors are well-known to be rarely friendly toward each other.

I assure you, if a combined codex happened they would write more fluff to make it look like the 3 ordos hang out as often as the characters in Friends. Also, it's easy to imagine there being crossover between the Ordos, such as an Ordo Hereticus investigation into a mysterious religious sect uncovering a genestealer cult, and needing the support of the xenohunters and deathwatch to deal with it.

Ugh, I hope not. Everything regarding the Inquisition I've read regarding cooperation has been something like this:

1) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, takes care of situation even though he's not Hereticus because that's his job.
2) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, dumps problem in lap of Ordo Hereticus.
or, worse
3) Ordo Xenos Inquisitor uncovers rogue psyker plot, not his problem, doesn't tell anyone.

GW could go the way of each Ordo has it's own specialty, but they take care of what needs to be done. If the problem is over one Ordos head they call in the right one or call for backup. But that would make the fluff logical so who knows.

See, the Ordos face the same problem that the U.S. intelligence community did before 9/11. What they need is for the High Lords to establish a fact-finding commission that will ultimately command that the Ordos need to do more intelligence sharing. Ultimately, the Office of Universeland Security will be formed to oversee all the Ordos. So much for being answerable only to themselves.

Leggy wrote:Also, it's easy to imagine there being crossover between the Ordos, such as an Ordo Hereticus investigation into a mysterious religious sect uncovering a genestealer cult, and needing the support of the xenohunters and deathwatch to deal with it.

Genestealer Cults are WAY below the Death Watch. There is fluff of Priests successfully leading regular people against Genestealer Cults, so you definitely do not need the specialists in. The Ordo Xenos deals with the threat of new, unknown aliens, not bog-standard ones you see every day like Orks and Genestealer Hybrids. The Sisters fluff has them taking out Genestealer and Chaos cults all the time. Again, Chaos Cults are below the Grey Knights. They wait until the only residents on the planet are Bloodthirsters, THEN they mobilise.

Personally, I cannot see there being any possibility of Ordo Xenos making an appearance. Perhaps some fluff, but that is all. Based on the rumours going around, I am expecting Codex: Inquisition, which will be Grey Knights with generic Inquisition, then Codex: Ecclesiarchy, for the Sisters. Wishlisting? Perhaps, but based on interpretations of the words of the reliable rumourmongers. I studied the entrails of thirteen heretics to come up with this prediction!

Elric of Grans wrote:

Leggy wrote:Also, it's easy to imagine there being crossover between the Ordos, such as an Ordo Hereticus investigation into a mysterious religious sect uncovering a genestealer cult, and needing the support of the xenohunters and deathwatch to deal with it.

Genestealer Cults are WAY below the Death Watch. There is fluff of Priests successfully leading regular people against Genestealer Cults, so you definitely do not need the specialists in. The Ordo Xenos deals with the threat of new, unknown aliens, not bog-standard ones you see every day like Orks and Genestealer Hybrids. The Sisters fluff has them taking out Genestealer and Chaos cults all the time. Again, Chaos Cults are below the Grey Knights. They wait until the only residents on the planet are Bloodthirsters, THEN they mobilise.

Personally, I cannot see there being any possibility of Ordo Xenos making an appearance. Perhaps some fluff, but that is all. Based on the rumours going around, I am expecting Codex: Inquisition, which will be Grey Knights with generic Inquisition, then Codex: Ecclesiarchy, for the Sisters. Wishlisting? Perhaps, but based on interpretations of the words of the reliable rumourmongers. I studied the entrails of thirteen heretics to come up with this prediction!

Yeah but the fluff also has each branch mopping up others' work too. Eisenhorn (the book) has Deathwatch helping to kill traitor marines and heretics (albeit on a crazy alien planet).

There's no reason why Deathwatch wouldn't be sent in to help with Genestealer cults if the local PDFs and IG failed pretty miserably. And it's not like they don't get sent in to deal with regular nids in certain situations. I'm pretty sure they were the ones doing cleanup on the 5th Cain book.

"Think a lighter color armor for later in 2010. "

I've got it, dump Black Templars completely and do Codex: White Templars!

Hi !

One aspect that have not much been put ahead here are figurines. You all know that GW is mainly a fig' producer, and its army book editor part is secondary to this.

What I feel right about this rumor of =I= and/or adeptus Sororitas codex is revamping of figurines range. They are all pewter alloy-made armies now. And tin became really expensive since 2008. So this must end. Note that recent codexes get rid of many metal or mixed plastic / metal squads. For example : IG command and tanks, SW troops & terminators, Tyranid gargoyles etc...

So Inquisition and adeptus Sororitas appear now as stange anachronisms in GW range. They may not be the worst or oldest codexes, but fig's range urge for plastification. Sorry for Dark eldar, Necron or Tau fans.

Ravajaxe wrote:
So Inquisition and adeptus Sororitas appear now as stange anachronisms in GW range. They may not be the worst or oldest codexes, but fig's range urge for plastification. Sorry for Dark eldar, Necron or Tau fans.

Plastic DE models:

Warriors

Raiders

Reaver Jetbikes

Metal DE models:

Grotesque
Talos
Vect
All other Special Characters
Mandrakes
Warp Beasts
Wyches
Incubi
Archon/Drachon/Archite/Drachite
Hellions
Scourges
Haemonculi

Plastic Necron's:
Monolith
Scarabs
Warriors
Destroyers

Metal Necrons
Tombspiders
Lords
Special Characters
Immortals
Pariahs
Flayed Ones
Wraiths

You see, that's all well and good, but there's not a plastic model in the Daemonhunters army that's plastic, with the exception of the handful of models they borrow from Marines. Same for Sisters, but at least they get immolators!

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

Ravajaxe wrote:
So Inquisition and adeptus Sororitas appear now as stange anachronisms in GW range. They may not be the worst or oldest codexes, but fig's range urge for plastification. Sorry for Dark eldar, Necron or Tau fans.

Plastic DE models:

Warriors
Raiders
Reaver Jetbikes

Metal DE models:
* snip *

Plastic Necron's:
Monolith
Scarabs
Warriors
Destroyers

Metal Necrons
* snip *

this is definetly not a negligible proportion of plastic.
=I= and Sororitas situation is not sustainable anymore (mostly for new players perspective).
I'm even surprised this move have not occured yet. Sisters is basically a 2nd edition range in stasis.

These figurines are very nice by the way.

For whoever is saying Tau don't need a new codex: we are generic. Bland. Options and interesting accessories have been removed or toned down. The importance of PG/MP jump, shoot, jump vaporized when cover saves became so freaking universal.

It's not as needed as Necrons, DE, or Inquisition... but there are a whole lot more players for Tau than probably those three combined (dwarfed again themselves by SM of course).

GW seems to be releasing things in order of what sells well. Why would they release DE when there is NO guarantee that people would pony up the money for them? Ditto for Necrons... to a point.

Go go Tau: marketable, mostly plastic already, and needing a freshening up.

Slackermagee wrote:For whoever is saying Tau don't need a new codex: we are generic. Bland. Options and interesting accessories have been removed or toned down. The importance of PG/MP jump, shoot, jump vaporized when cover saves became so freaking universal.

It's not as needed as Necrons, DE, or Inquisition... but there are a whole lot more players for Tau than probably those three combined (dwarfed again themselves by SM of course).

GW seems to be releasing things in order of what sells well. Why would they release DE when there is NO guarantee that people would pony up the money for them? Ditto for Necrons... to a point.

Go go Tau: marketable, mostly plastic already, and needing a freshening up.

Well,I think just about anybody with an army that isn't 'nids,SW,IG,SM,or Orks will say that they need a new 'dex in the near future,but it just isn't realistic.

BA are definately next,and after them DH/WH,DE,and 'crons are the the only armies still running off a 3rd edition codex. Those armies are all woefully outdated,and should be the first in line for new 'dexes. If GW gets those 3 done,then they'll at least have all the armies operating on codexes written within the last two rules editions,instead of having them spanning from 3rd-5th like they do now.

Inquistion,DE,and Necrons are going to get redone at some point,because GW has been working on new figs for all of those lines. I think you can argue that maybe GW should've just cut those armies support entirely and focused on more popular armies,but that's not what GW decided to do. Those armies will come eventually. They're not getting dropped,at least not before they get redo's. One of the huge problems in doing DH or WH is the fact that even your base troops are all metal,so they at least deserve a shot with plastic mini's to see if they're viable or not. Necrons are still a stock army,so they at least sell well enough for a redo. DE...well,IMO DE should've probably just been dropped completely. They failed despite having plastic base units AND being including in the 3rd edition starter box. However,GW seems dedicated to giving DE another go,and if they're going to keep them,they need redone badly.

Those three armies NEED redone,either from a mini's standpoint,a rules standpoint,or probably both. When you start to get into the 4th ed codexes,DA need a new 'dex desperately,far worse than any of the other 4th ed 'dexes. Then,you get to the armies that are still playable,but could use a buff like Tau and BT. However,in my mind,there's at least 4 other books that need done(Inquisition,Necrons,Dark Eldar,Dark Angels) before GW gets to that point. If it's true that the Inquisition is the next in line,then that gets one(actually 2) of the armies that need a redo the most out of the way.

As an impartial observer(I play SM and Nids), I would definitely rate the need scale as this, from an army perspective:

Inquisition books - breaks competitive balance when teamed up with the newer codices...specifically guard
Necrons - pretty bad across the board
Dark Angels - poor guys
Dark Eldar - 1 good build, and a whole bunch of garbage
Black Templar - Not as bad as people think...although a very bland army atm
Tau - Quite good still, despite popular opinion...but could be such a better entry with an update
Eldar- still very good, stop whining pointy-ears(not directed at anyone on the forum...moreso my gf )

As far as model lineups, I see it this way:

(crappiest)Dark Eldar
(crappier)Inquisition
(crappy)Necrons
(alright)Tau
(good)Eldar
(Space Marines)Dark Angels
(Space Marines)Black Templar

And as far as which would sell the best with new models:

Inquisition(Tons of support for, but very let down by current model range, and current ruleset.)
Dark Angels(Models aren't the problem with DA, but a new book would sprout a good amount of sales...as they're Space Marines, eg SW)
Tau(More popular than many think)
Black Templar(See Dark Angels, except their book isn't as bad)
Necrons(No selection, and way too much metal to be successful right now)
Eldar(range is pretty great already, but Eldar players are pretty fanatical, and will buy a decent amount anyway)
Dark Eldar(The red-headed step-child of the lineup)


Guess which list GW cares about most?

Ostrakon wrote:
I don't really think a joint tri-Ordo codex makes much sense though. How many times in the fluff have Deathwatch, Grey Knights, and the Sisters taken the field together? And Inquisitors are well-known to be rarely friendly toward each other.

The internet's double lash prince leading khorne berserkers nurgle plague marines would like a word with you.


I love the idea of a new Inquisition codex. I will be starting a new army if and when it does come out. There is something just so awesome about grey knights that is translated so poorly currently.

The thing I don't get is why GW needs to turn things into a massive release for every new codex. For big, popular armies, sure, more models are great. But for fringe armies like crons, DE, DH and WH, a simple rules update codex would suffice, with maybe a few new models for each one (one or two new metal SCs, one new plastic unit). We all know the books don't take much to produce, and releasing 3-4 new models per release instead of like 8 new different kinds of sprues would greatly decrease their investment risk.

Of course there'd be a lot of bitching about "BUT MEQS GOT MORE MODELS WAH" but in reality, most of the underplayed armies would be pretty happy. And hey, if they release a powerful codex (as GW is fond of doing), the army might get more popular, allowing them to comfortably develop new ones in the future.

In any case, I think Necrons or Tau will be the next Xeno codex. The way they were briefly mentioned in the 'nid codex seemed kind of random to just throw out for no reason. And since it portrayed Tau as being total morons I'm going to bet on 'crons.

(Yes, this is obviously wishful thinking)

Theres also the Tie in for the Tau in the nids dex. Rather than the joke lines about the necron invasion and the avoidance of tomb worlds not much is mentioned

For the Tau an entire hive fleet goes after them along with the mention of a huge war against the Imperium right after that.

Does this mean anything? Not really no, but it could be GW's idea of being subtle on the otherhand.

Ostrakon wrote:The thing I don't get is why GW needs to turn things into a massive release for every new codex. For big, popular armies, sure, more models are great. But for fringe armies like crons, DE, DH and WH, a simple rules update codex would suffice, with maybe a few new models for each one (one or two new metal SCs, one new plastic unit). We all know the books don't take much to produce, and releasing 3-4 new models per release instead of like 8 new different kinds of sprues would greatly decrease their investment risk.

Of course there'd be a lot of bitching about "BUT MEQS GOT MORE MODELS WAH" but in reality, most of the underplayed armies would be pretty happy. And hey, if they release a powerful codex (as GW is fond of doing), the army might get more popular, allowing them to comfortably develop new ones in the future.

In any case, I think Necrons or Tau will be the next Xeno codex. The way they were briefly mentioned in the 'nid codex seemed kind of random to just throw out for no reason. And since it portrayed Tau as being total morons I'm going to bet on 'crons.

(Yes, this is obviously wishful thinking)

The spartan releases for "fringe armies" is a double-edged sword,though. Yes,it lowers GW's investment risk,but it also decreases sales for those army releases. In fact,probably one of the big reasons Tau outsold Necrons is the fact that the Necron codex is extremely spartan with very little variety. I mean,3 HQ's(two of which are special characters),3 Elite,1 Troop,2 Fast Attack,and 3 Heavy Support is an army list severely lacking in options and variety. If GW redid Necrons with 3-4 new kits,logically,those kits would be plastic Pariahs,Immortals,Flayed Ones,and Tomb Spiders,with maybe an added plastic sprue to the Destroyer kits to give the option to build a Heavy Destroyer. That's not going to spark a lot of sales for that army. Similarly,so much of the DH and WH lines need to be redone in plastic,it's not even funny. GK Troop Squads,GK Termies,Inquisitorial Stormtroopers,Battle Sister Squads,Seraphim,Arco-Flagellents,Excorcist Launchers,maybe even Penitant Engines and Sisters Repentia could do with plastics. Once they get done redoing everything that needs to be redone,there's going to be no room for new additions.

As a DH and WH player,I can say I'd be relatively happy with a new 'dex. At the same time,I know I wouldn't buy a whole lot for either army unless there's some sweet new mini's and/or some new weapon options for existing units that I need the new kits to make. GW stays in buisness by getting me to spend money on their products,not by simply making me happy.

Ostrakon wrote:The thing I don't get is why GW needs to turn things into a massive release for every new codex. For big, popular armies, sure, more models are great. But for fringe armies like crons, DE, DH and WH, a simple rules update codex would suffice, with maybe a few new models for each one (one or two new metal SCs, one new plastic unit).

On the alternative take, Orks were a fringe army who were given a massive release for their new Codex.

For Tau, they are the only army with a third/fourth (not counting `4.5' books) that I have not heard even the faintest peep about. I would almost guarantee they have not begun work on Tau, which would put them off to 2012.

Should also add that the Dark Eldar (as of late December) were almost, if not completely done, so expect them later this year, either pre or post Tau.

My hope was DE after BA, but the studio sources kept saying Tau post BA at the end of last year.

Whatever1 wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:The thing I don't get is why GW needs to turn things into a massive release for every new codex. For big, popular armies, sure, more models are great. But for fringe armies like crons, DE, DH and WH, a simple rules update codex would suffice, with maybe a few new models for each one (one or two new metal SCs, one new plastic unit). We all know the books don't take much to produce, and releasing 3-4 new models per release instead of like 8 new different kinds of sprues would greatly decrease their investment risk.

Of course there'd be a lot of bitching about "BUT MEQS GOT MORE MODELS WAH" but in reality, most of the underplayed armies would be pretty happy. And hey, if they release a powerful codex (as GW is fond of doing), the army might get more popular, allowing them to comfortably develop new ones in the future.

In any case, I think Necrons or Tau will be the next Xeno codex. The way they were briefly mentioned in the 'nid codex seemed kind of random to just throw out for no reason. And since it portrayed Tau as being total morons I'm going to bet on 'crons.

(Yes, this is obviously wishful thinking)

The spartan releases for "fringe armies" is a double-edged sword,though. Yes,it lowers GW's investment risk,but it also decreases sales for those army releases. In fact,probably one of the big reasons Tau outsold Necrons is the fact that the Necron codex is extremely spartan with very little variety. I mean,3 HQ's(two of which are special characters),3 Elite,1 Troop,2 Fast Attack,and 3 Heavy Support is an army list severely lacking in options and variety. If GW redid Necrons with 3-4 new kits,logically,those kits would be plastic Pariahs,Immortals,Flayed Ones,and Tomb Spiders,with maybe an added plastic sprue to the Destroyer kits to give the option to build a Heavy Destroyer. That's not going to spark a lot of sales for that army. Similarly,so much of the DH and WH lines need to be redone in plastic,it's not even funny. GK Troop Squads,GK Termies,Inquisitorial Stormtroopers,Battle Sister Squads,Seraphim,Arco-Flagellents,Excorcist Launchers,maybe even Penitant Engines and Sisters Repentia could do with plastics. Once they get done redoing everything that needs to be redone,there's going to be no room for new additions.

As a DH and WH player,I can say I'd be relatively happy with a new 'dex. At the same time,I know I wouldn't buy a whole lot for either army unless there's some sweet new mini's and/or some new weapon options for existing units that I need the new kits to make. GW stays in buisness by getting me to spend money on their products,not by simply making me happy.

Yeah, I guess the problem with all of these old armies is that they're just too metal.

Tomb Spyders and Wraiths could stay metal, however. They're usually not needed in particularly high numbers. Destroyers should have a cheaper box (like 3 for 40) because 20 each for not a lot of plastic is ridiculous when you're forced to run so many now.

I think a proper 'cron release would look something like:

-Plastic Immortals
-Plastic Flayed Ones
-Plastic Pariahs
-New Destroyer Box with plastic Heavy options

-New metal HQ unit - "Hierophant"
-New C'Tan - Void Dragon
-New plastic infantry unit
-New vehicle - "Sarcophagus" troop carrier

And that sounds like a little too much for a supposedly unpopular army. I mean, space wolves and nids both got a lot but nothing like that list. And there'd have to be a lot of codex powerup if people are even really going to consider Flayed Ones or Pariahs anyway.

Double post. oops

Perhaps with the next Necron codex release they would use more of a "combinded" model approch to create multiable troop types with a single box, like they have been doing with the space wolves and some of the tyranid items.

A good example that could greatly use this would be necrons. several units in the necron range could be combinded into the same boxes to greatly save up on selve space / blister space.

Necron Warriors/Necron Immortals - They are basicly the same model just armed with different weapons.
Necron Destroyers/Heavy Destroyers - Same as before, perhaps a slightly different choice with the arms.
Necron lord kit - Would include both of the metal Necron lord options (Res orb, Warscythe) but also a option for a destroyer body. Would greatly simpliy things with needing only 1 box. If the necron lord comes with awesomeness like the chaos terminator lord kit, then i might even pick one up for it's looks alone.

Grey knights would be Extremely good choice imho for the combinded kits.

Grey Knight Sqaud Box of 5, would have the options to create the following:

-Standard Grey Knights (Including options for a justica, Nemisis Force weapons (Both spears and swords), a pyscannon, and a Incinerator)
-Grey Knight Teleport Sqaud (teleport packs instead of standard backpacks perhaps? would also be useful for blood raven fans)
-Grey Knight Puragion Sqaud (Sadly you would need a second box for the added special weapons)

Sadly... i'm dreaming right here in front of my PC.

Best they do make those type of kits however, more space for other models in the shops, so more display

GW is getting rid of hybrid kits (plastic SM backpacks notwithstanding), so I wouldn't expect a new hybrid metal lord/plastic destroyer kit.

A Necron re-release is likely to involve a plastic Heavy Destroyer (much like Tau will get a plastic Broadside), some new tank, some new units in metal, and then either plastic Immortals, Flayed Ones or Pariahs - pick one.

And then loads of Special Characters.

H.B.M.C. wrote:And then loads of Special Characters.

Necron Lord Convention
Convention Leader: "Lord 011101010100, meet Lord 01110101010111."
And I'd continue, but I don't feel like typing a big Lord convention conversation...

Necrons would also get a couple new units.

'Untouchables'

'Nigel No Friends'

Now what if GW totally Wild-cards everyone and releases Codex Chaos Space Marines after BA?

Whatever happen to all the rumours about the Chaos Legion/cult books? I havent heard a rumour about a World Eaters, Death Guard, Emperors Children or Thousand Son book for several months now. Was that a legit rumour or was all that of just wishful thinking born from the lack of legion builds in the current CSM codex? The idea of it seems sounds, being that there is a "core/vanilla SM book" and then a bunch of spin offs (BA,DA, SW, BT). Wouldnt the CSM book be considered the Chaos vanilla, and (WE, DG, EC, and TS) be the spin offs? Granted the time line for the releases on these would take a while unless GW decided to do a whole year of chaos releases.

LiberatedObject wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:And then loads of Special Characters.

Necron Lord Convention
Convention Leader: "Lord 011101010100, meet Lord 01110101010111."
And I'd continue, but I don't feel like typing a big Lord convention conversation...

They're not androids, dude. They're more akin to mummies or liches: remnant mortal souls trapped (possibly unwillingly) in immortal bodies.

And if Tyranids can have SCs there's no reason why 'crons can't have them. It matters more how other races would label a particularly badass Lord or pariah or whatever, than what the Necrons themselves would "call" him.

Ostrakon wrote:

LiberatedObject wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:And then loads of Special Characters.

Necron Lord Convention
Convention Leader: "Lord 011101010100, meet Lord 01110101010111."
And I'd continue, but I don't feel like typing a big Lord convention conversation...

They're not androids, dude. They're more akin to mummies or liches: remnant mortal souls trapped (possibly unwillingly) in immortal bodies.

And if Tyranids can have SCs there's no reason why 'crons can't have them. It matters more how other races would label a particularly badass Lord or pariah or whatever, than what the Necrons themselves would "call" him.

True, but it is kind of funny how they beep in DoW...

Chamleoneyes wrote:Whatever happen to all the rumours about the Chaos Legion/cult books?

The official response to that last year was `we may do that, but it is not currently on the cards'. Everything else they were asked about (eg Space Hulk, Space Wolves) they were typically evasive around, but just that one they made things clear on.

Superscope wrote:Necron Warriors/Necron Immortals - They are basicly the same model just armed with different weapons.

Necron Destroyers/Heavy Destroyers - Same as before, perhaps a slightly different choice with the arms.

Necron lord kit - Would include both of the metal Necron lord options (Res orb, Warscythe) but also a option for a destroyer body. Would greatly simpliy things with needing only 1 box.

I can see the Necron Lord kit, with extra options added above and beyond the current option list.

Necron Destroyer will likely be a whole bunch of weapon options, kind of like the redone Landspeeder / Sentinel. Probably, the rules will allow bigger units as well.

Necron Immortals should be plastic, and distinct with bigger, bulkier, badder bodies. Hopefully, GW does these as a 2-in-1 weapon options like Fire Warriors.

Ostrakon wrote:

Whatever1 wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:The thing I don't get is why GW needs to turn things into a massive release for every new codex. For big, popular armies, sure, more models are great. But for fringe armies like crons, DE, DH and WH, a simple rules update codex would suffice, with maybe a few new models for each one (one or two new metal SCs, one new plastic unit). We all know the books don't take much to produce, and releasing 3-4 new models per release instead of like 8 new different kinds of sprues would greatly decrease their investment risk.

Of course there'd be a lot of bitching about "BUT MEQS GOT MORE MODELS WAH" but in reality, most of the underplayed armies would be pretty happy. And hey, if they release a powerful codex (as GW is fond of doing), the army might get more popular, allowing them to comfortably develop new ones in the future.

In any case, I think Necrons or Tau will be the next Xeno codex. The way they were briefly mentioned in the 'nid codex seemed kind of random to just throw out for no reason. And since it portrayed Tau as being total morons I'm going to bet on 'crons.

(Yes, this is obviously wishful thinking)

The spartan releases for "fringe armies" is a double-edged sword,though. Yes,it lowers GW's investment risk,but it also decreases sales for those army releases. In fact,probably one of the big reasons Tau outsold Necrons is the fact that the Necron codex is extremely spartan with very little variety. I mean,3 HQ's(two of which are special characters),3 Elite,1 Troop,2 Fast Attack,and 3 Heavy Support is an army list severely lacking in options and variety. If GW redid Necrons with 3-4 new kits,logically,those kits would be plastic Pariahs,Immortals,Flayed Ones,and Tomb Spiders,with maybe an added plastic sprue to the Destroyer kits to give the option to build a Heavy Destroyer. That's not going to spark a lot of sales for that army. Similarly,so much of the DH and WH lines need to be redone in plastic,it's not even funny. GK Troop Squads,GK Termies,Inquisitorial Stormtroopers,Battle Sister Squads,Seraphim,Arco-Flagellents,Excorcist Launchers,maybe even Penitant Engines and Sisters Repentia could do with plastics. Once they get done redoing everything that needs to be redone,there's going to be no room for new additions.

As a DH and WH player,I can say I'd be relatively happy with a new 'dex. At the same time,I know I wouldn't buy a whole lot for either army unless there's some sweet new mini's and/or some new weapon options for existing units that I need the new kits to make. GW stays in buisness by getting me to spend money on their products,not by simply making me happy.

Yeah, I guess the problem with all of these old armies is that they're just too metal.

Tomb Spyders and Wraiths could stay metal, however. They're usually not needed in particularly high numbers. Destroyers should have a cheaper box (like 3 for 40) because 20 each for not a lot of plastic is ridiculous when you're forced to run so many now.

I think a proper 'cron release would look something like:

-Plastic Immortals
-Plastic Flayed Ones
-Plastic Pariahs
-New Destroyer Box with plastic Heavy options

-New metal HQ unit - "Hierophant"
-New C'Tan - Void Dragon
-New plastic infantry unit
-New vehicle - "Sarcophagus" troop carrier

And that sounds like a little too much for a supposedly unpopular army. I mean, space wolves and nids both got a lot but nothing like that list. And there'd have to be a lot of codex powerup if people are even really going to consider Flayed Ones or Pariahs anyway.

Personally,the Flayed Ones would need to be buffed so much,it isn't even funny. I've never seen anybody use them. They would actually probably do better by making Flayed Ones a Troops choice to give the Necrons some (relatively) cheap tie-up CC units. They should actually probably put the Scarab Swarms as Troops,as well,then concentrate on giving them some cool HQ's,Elites,FA,and HS. I heard that they were suppossedley working on a giant,scorpion looking thing,perhaps similar to the DE Talos,but I don't know how reliable the source is.

Pariahs,I think Necron players would actually field. However,they have to be fielded in maxed-out squads of 10 because their initiative is so low so they can absorb casualties and then hit back with their ignore armor/invulnerable weapons. They don't have the Necron special rule,however,so they don't count towards Phase Out,and it's a huge chunk of points to put into that unit. I don't believe they can be transported by the Monolith,either,so they're pure foot sloggers. In fact,Phase Out probably needs to go entirely,give the Guass weapons rending instead of their current glances or wounds on a 6,and replace We'll be back with FNP.

CrazyThang wrote:True, but it is kind of funny how they beep in DoW...

Which is rather stupid, since they are quite capable of talking as seen when you attack a stronghold
I guess Lords can't be arsed to talk in general because it takes computing power away from their eternal game of minesweeper.

The order, as I guess would be :
2010

Blood Angels
Tau
Dark Eldar

2011 (As hinted by Developer talks last year at conventions)

Eldar
Necrons
Black Templars

2012
Eldar
Inquisition
Demiurg (Dev's said no new races until everything has been updated and that GreyKnights/Sisters would be the last books before 6th edition)

Defiler wrote:The order, as I guess would be :
2010

Blood Angels
Tau
Dark Eldar

2011 (As hinted by Developer talks last year at conventions)

Eldar
Necrons
Black Templars

2012
Eldar
Inquisition
Demiurg (Dev's said no new races until everything has been updated and that GreyKnights/Sisters would be the last books before 6th edition)

Just wondering about the double Eldar entries and the lack of DA.

Oopsie. That list was just a guess of mine, the last Eldar should be Dark Angels.

Dark Angels, Eldar and Black Templar all got "sorta" 5th edition codex's so I suspect they will be closer to the end of the cycle, but there was also talk of doing "opposing armies back to back", so I figured Eldar would follow Dark Eldar.

@Defiler: IMO, if you switch Inquisition and Dark Eldar above, you're probably more in line with what's actually happening on the ground. I sorely doubt we'll see Dark Eldar until 2012, close to the release of 40k 6th.

Vhalyar wrote:

CrazyThang wrote:True, but it is kind of funny how they beep in DoW...

Which is rather stupid, since they are quite capable of talking as seen when you attack a stronghold
I guess Lords can't be arsed to talk in general because it takes computing power away from their eternal game of minesweeper.

Do they all beep though? If I remember right, it's only tomb spyders and builder scarabs (the actual "robots") that beep.

And the only talking Necron in the game is the Pariah because he's half-human anyway. Presumably -and this is assuming the game is canon - the C'Tan selected him as a herald. Although since the 'crons insist on killing everyone anyway, one would wonder why they would need one except for dramatic license.


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JohnHwangDD wrote:@Defiler: IMO, if you switch Inquisition and Dark Eldar above, you're probably more in line with what's actually happening on the ground. I sorely doubt we'll see Dark Eldar until 2012, close to the release of 40k 6th.

Wherein they will be promptly obsoleted by new rules!

Actually, I was considering trying out DE. I kinda like the models.

Off topic but you have Necrons and would like to expand to Dark Eldar?

You must like to live without updated codicies.

If they made both of them cool AND competitive I'm sure more players would start the armies. (DE /'Crons)

Noobtodagame wrote:Off topic but you have Necrons and would like to expand to Dark Eldar?

You must like to live without updated codicies.

If they made both of them cool AND competitive I'm sure more players would start the armies. (DE /'Crons)

Eh, I'm a dabbler. There are actually only a few armies I'm NOT interested in playing.

My next army will most certainly be BA though.

Defiler wrote:Dark Angels, Eldar and Black Templar all got "sorta" 5th edition codex's...

No they didn't. The Black Templars aren't even in the current (nonsensical) style of Codex. The Templars were a 4th Codex through and through.

The only 5th Ed Codex to come out in 4th was Codexaemons, and you could stretch that a bit for Orks.


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JohnHwangDD wrote:@Defiler: IMO, if you switch Inquisition and Dark Eldar above, you're probably more in line with what's actually happening on the ground. I sorely doubt we'll see Dark Eldar until 2012, close to the release of 40k 6th.

You just can't help yourself can you?

H.B.M.C. wrote:The only 5th Ed Codex to come out in 4th was Codexaemons, and you could stretch that a bit for Orks.

The design studio said that the Orks are fifth, so I think that is official enough. It was also one of their best examples of not knowing their own rules when they stated in an interview that the Battle Wagon could fire Big Shootas as defensive weapons under fifth edition rules :\ Who else guesses there was a revision of the rule-set where defensive weapons were classified as S5 and below?

Ostrakon wrote:

Vhalyar wrote:

CrazyThang wrote:True, but it is kind of funny how they beep in DoW...

Which is rather stupid, since they are quite capable of talking as seen when you attack a stronghold
I guess Lords can't be arsed to talk in general because it takes computing power away from their eternal game of minesweeper.

Do they all beep though? If I remember right, it's only tomb spyders and builder scarabs (the actual "robots") that beep.

And the only talking Necron in the game is the Pariah because he's half-human anyway. Presumably -and this is assuming the game is canon - the C'Tan selected him as a herald. Although since the 'crons insist on killing everyone anyway, one would wonder why they would need one except for dramatic license.

IIRC, Lords and Spyders and the like beeped while warriors, flayed ones, etc. made a kind of grinding noise (kinda like gears grinding). I got bored too quickly to attack their stronghold though, so if they do talk it's news to me.
Sorry for the off-topicness

CrazyThang wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

Vhalyar wrote:

CrazyThang wrote:True, but it is kind of funny how they beep in DoW...

Which is rather stupid, since they are quite capable of talking as seen when you attack a stronghold
I guess Lords can't be arsed to talk in general because it takes computing power away from their eternal game of minesweeper.

Do they all beep though? If I remember right, it's only tomb spyders and builder scarabs (the actual "robots") that beep.

And the only talking Necron in the game is the Pariah because he's half-human anyway. Presumably -and this is assuming the game is canon - the C'Tan selected him as a herald. Although since the 'crons insist on killing everyone anyway, one would wonder why they would need one except for dramatic license.

IIRC, Lords and Spyders and the like beeped while warriors, flayed ones, etc. made a kind of grinding noise (kinda like gears grinding). I got bored too quickly to attack their stronghold though, so if they do talk it's news to me.
Sorry for the off-topicness

I thought that was the hum of their gauss weaponry and disruption fields.

Ostrakon wrote:

CrazyThang wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:

Vhalyar wrote:

CrazyThang wrote:True, but it is kind of funny how they beep in DoW...

Which is rather stupid, since they are quite capable of talking as seen when you attack a stronghold
I guess Lords can't be arsed to talk in general because it takes computing power away from their eternal game of minesweeper.

Do they all beep though? If I remember right, it's only tomb spyders and builder scarabs (the actual "robots") that beep.

And the only talking Necron in the game is the Pariah because he's half-human anyway. Presumably -and this is assuming the game is canon - the C'Tan selected him as a herald. Although since the 'crons insist on killing everyone anyway, one would wonder why they would need one except for dramatic license.

IIRC, Lords and Spyders and the like beeped while warriors, flayed ones, etc. made a kind of grinding noise (kinda like gears grinding). I got bored too quickly to attack their stronghold though, so if they do talk it's news to me.
Sorry for the off-topicness

I thought that was the hum of their gauss weaponry and disruption fields.

Eh, possible. I barely played 'crons.

Uhh.... to get this back on topic.... umm.... what color are BAs?

Chamleoneyes wrote:Whatever happen to all the rumours about the Chaos Legion/cult books? I havent heard a rumour about a World Eaters, Death Guard, Emperors Children or Thousand Son book for several months now. Was that a legit rumour or was all that of just wishful thinking born from the lack of legion builds in the current CSM codex? The idea of it seems sounds, being that there is a "core/vanilla SM book" and then a bunch of spin offs (BA,DA, SW, BT). Wouldnt the CSM book be considered the Chaos vanilla, and (WE, DG, EC, and TS) be the spin offs? Granted the time line for the releases on these would take a while unless GW decided to do a whole year of chaos releases.

If they want codex csm to be the "evil" codex space marines, with the legions being analogous to the other variant chapters, i'd much prefer they update Codex Chaos marines first. It's not that it isn't effective, but that the effective builds are very similar to each other, and there's a lot of units that rarely see the battlefield. Chaos lords, dreadnaughts, possessed, thousand sons, noise marines, the whole of the fast attack section and summoned daemons are, IMO, far too ignorable.

So due to the pulling of the Inquisitions codexi people are willing to believe that they are if not next then to be soon. Has anything model or rule wise been leaked if they are?

Necrons are still having work down. Has anyone heard anything defenitive about them?

Tau are getting resculpts so a possible minor release.

BT. . . people would like them? Seems to be the only solid thing heard about them.

DA. . .again nothing (AFAIK) has been solidly released.

DE. . . I'm sorry

First of all, Codex --> Codices. Codices, Codices, Codices!

So due to the pulling of the Inquisitions codexi people are willing to believe that they are if not next then to be soon. Has anything model or rule wise been leaked if they are?

Plus the pulling of the Battle Sisters box.

DE. . . I'm sorry

People say they've been working on the minis.

Tau are getting resculpts so a possible minor release.

Are they? Two codices faster than any other new race in 40k, Tau need to be happy with what they've got for right now.

I am a necron player so Tau don't excite my fancy. Just relaying what I have heard here and else where.

I know Tau sell better than Necrons but 3 codex to 1. . .

DruidODurham wrote:
Are they? Two codices faster than any other new race in 40k, Tau need to be happy with what they've got for right now.

I'll second that. It'd be extremely messed up if Tau got their 3rd codex while DH,WH,Necrons,and DE are all still stuck on their 1st. And no,I don't count the revised DE 'dex as a "new" codex.

Somone should start a poll on which army we think will get the next book after BA.

I've heard Ogre Kingdoms was to be released within the coming months from other Warhammer Fantasy forums.

Noobtodagame wrote:So due to the pulling of the Inquisitions codexi people are willing to believe that they are if not next then to be soon. Has anything model or rule wise been leaked if they are?

Necrons are still having work down. Has anyone heard anything defenitive about them?

Tau are getting resculpts so a possible minor release.

BT. . . people would like them? Seems to be the only solid thing heard about them.

DA. . .again nothing (AFAIK) has been solidly released.

DE. . . I'm sorry

3-ups and concept art for Grey Knights and Sisters have been spotted by a reliable source, but no photos yet (not surprising). Necron are a known qualtity, but seem to be a little while off yet. Tau are not currently rumoured to be in production, so I would not expect to see them any time soon (unless Games Workshop have finally managed to keep something a *complete* secret). Black Templars are known to be in the pipe, but no rumoured release date as of yet. Nothing on Dark Angels, and I have serious doubts they will get updated again soon. Dark Eldar are coming next year. They always come next year

The Dark Eldar are the perfect fluff army- because when ever any one pauses to consider them in any way (but in particular as to when they get a new codex) it always leaves a person feeling hopeless and cynical.

The Armies i think need a release or model update most (far more important than rules releases) are

- Dark Eldar
Everything, except maybe Incubi, were average to poor when first released, and all have aged badly.

-Necrons
Lots of metal need plasticising, needs more units in general, needs a recut of the monolith so it fits together.

-Tau
New Crisis suits, new vespids, new units in general.

i hope a new templar codex comes out soon

Carlovonsexron wrote:The Dark Eldar are the perfect fluff army- because when ever any one pauses to consider them in any way (but in particular as to when they get a new codex) it always leaves a person feeling hopeless and cynical.

Quoted for truth.

I thought the Necron codex said they're completlely silent, isn't that one of the eerie things about them?

Anyway seems that the only models people have seen are new Inquisition and new Dark Eldar (though I still disbelieve). New Templars would be dead easy, esp if they get the flying land raider too, but no one seems to have heard a word about them. New Tau would need new models to sell, without rumors I don't see it happening. Same with Necrons.

So I'll be optimisitc and say it's Inquisition, Daemon Hunters/Grey Knights at least.

hmmm

i do necrons as well and wud love one of them

but so far its just marine after marine

could you do me a favour and look at my 1000 point templar list and write what you think

I'd like to see Codex: Whiny Nerds.

Codex: Rules Lawyers would be a good one as well.

It would contain a single word but because of the nature of the codex that single word would be the cause of a 50page FAQ because the WAW would not necessarily be the same as WAI.

Whatever1 wrote:

DruidODurham wrote:
Are they? Two codices faster than any other new race in 40k, Tau need to be happy with what they've got for right now.

I'll second that. It'd be extremely messed up if Tau got their 3rd codex while DH,WH,Necrons,and DE are all still stuck on their 1st. And no,I don't count the revised DE 'dex as a "new" codex.

Witchhunters are actually on their second codex, not counting a get you by in a white dwarf IRC.

When did Witchhunters get a second codex, efarrer? I assume you're not referring to Codex: Sisters of Battle from 2nd edition as one of them?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:the flying land raider

My immediate thoughts when I read that:

Land Raider Cheesius - 250 points
Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer, Tank)
AV: F14 S14 B14
Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Battle Cannons, Pintle-Mounted Demolisher Cannon, Two Sponsoon-Mounted Chem Cannons, Smoke Launchers, Searchlights, and a Power Fist on a chain.
Transport Capacity: 12, or 6 in Terminator Armour.
Power of the Machine Spirit, Assault Vehicle.

Whatever1 wrote:I don't count the revised DE 'dex as a "new" codex.

Others do.
____

efarrer wrote:Witchhunters are actually on their second codex, not counting a get you by in a white dwarf IRC.

No, first as "WH", third if you count SoB,

But then, so are Assassins.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I thought the Necron codex said they're completlely silent, isn't that one of the eerie things about them?

It does say that, but DoW couldn't just have completely silent 'crons. They needed to have some kind of noise to make when you click on them: for most of them it was the low hum of their weaponry.

There was a Pariah who, for whatever reason, spoke. I dunno if that's canon, because there's little to no information about Pariahs (or any specific unit for that matter) in the codex.

I don't think it is. The Necron lord in Soulstorm apparently spoke too, and like General Grievous even.

That's funny, I've been joking about making my Necron Lord for the force I'm building look like General Grievous. I would think that the Lords talk, but the warriors do not, being that they are pretty much mindless drones. I think of the Lord as pretty much a spokes person. Kinda like the Sorcerors who lead rubric Marines for Thousand Sons.

Anyways, back on topic. The more I see this posting go on I get the feeling that the next book will either be:
1st: Inquisition/GreyKnights
2nd: Necrons
I'm not even going to consider DE until I see a GW article saying "Incomming Dark Eldar" or a bunch of photos of new plastic DE stuff. Rumors of the update of their codex seem to only feed dissapointment. That's not to say that I don't welcome a codex update for them, but it just seems like there is little to go on for an update for them outside of rumors and hearsay. Come to think about it when was the last time we even saw a fluff piece about DE? Where they mentioned in the Nid, SW, IG or SM codexs? It might go as far back as the 5th edition rule book. Meanwhile Necrons/Tau have made it into the fluff and or pictures in each codex. GW dosen't seem to like DE very much, or maybe it's just implied that they are by themselves in their own little corner of the galaxy.

Dark Eldar were mentioned in Codex: Space Wolves, and I believe Dark Eldar were mentioned in Codex: Tyranids.

Really? I stand corrected then. I'll have to go look them up, I'm just curious to see what was written for them.

Not sure about what mentioned Dark Eldar in 'Nids if at all, but in Space Wolves I think it recounted a battle between them. However, it doesn't mention they are Dark Eldar, but "raider xenos," or something along those lines.
Pretty much, they get no love, but are still there.
And I'm not sure how they could eliminate Necrons.

Ostrakon wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
I thought the Necron codex said they're completlely silent, isn't that one of the eerie things about them?

It does say that, but DoW couldn't just have completely silent 'crons. They needed to have some kind of noise to make when you click on them: for most of them it was the low hum of their weaponry.

There was a Pariah who, for whatever reason, spoke. I dunno if that's canon, because there's little to no information about Pariahs (or any specific unit for that matter) in the codex.

Apparently a Lord does speak in the Apocalypse: Reload book.

Lexicanum wrote:One Necron Lord, designated the Herald of Dismay, is confirmed to have been present at the Damnos Incident where it issued a chilling ultimatum regarding the implacable nature of the "Machine" and inevitability of its victory.

LiberatedObject wrote:Not sure about what mentioned Dark Eldar in 'Nids if at all

There was a short story where some Dark Eldar raiders borded a hibernating hive ship/fleet in an attemt to get some alien live trophies or some such. Some nids woke up and they all died pretty much.

Elric of Grans wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:the flying land raider

My immediate thoughts when I read that:

Land Raider Cheesius - 250 points
Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer, Tank)
AV: F14 S14 B14
Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Battle Cannons, Pintle-Mounted Demolisher Cannon, Two Sponsoon-Mounted Chem Cannons, Smoke Launchers, Searchlights, and a Power Fist on a chain.
Transport Capacity: 12, or 6 in Terminator Armour.
Power of the Machine Spirit, Assault Vehicle.

OK THAT IS A WIN!

Dysartes wrote:When did Witchhunters get a second codex, efarrer? I assume you're not referring to Codex: Sisters of Battle from 2nd edition as one of them?

Of course I am.

Excluding the Inquistion specific units ( Inquisitors assassins and bombardments) the remaining units are ecclesiastic in nature. Why would you not include the SoB codex?

efarrer wrote:

Dysartes wrote:When did Witchhunters get a second codex, efarrer? I assume you're not referring to Codex: Sisters of Battle from 2nd edition as one of them?

Of course I am.

Excluding the Inquistion specific units ( Inquisitors assassins and bombardments) the remaining units are ecclesiastic in nature. Why would you not include the SoB codex?

Technically,you're right. However,2nd was a drastically different rules set from 3rd,where GW introduced the concept of 'dexes from previous editions being able to be played in the new editions. Since that concept has been introduced,WH,DH,have had 1 codex.

efarrer wrote:

Dysartes wrote:When did Witchhunters get a second codex, efarrer? I assume you're not referring to Codex: Sisters of Battle from 2nd edition as one of them?

Of course I am.

Excluding the Inquistion specific units ( Inquisitors assassins and bombardments) the remaining units are ecclesiastic in nature. Why would you not include the SoB codex?

Because the assumption when talking about an army being on its 1st/2nd/3rd/15th codex is that it refers to books compatible with 3rd edition and onwards, due to the compatibility of the last 3 editions. A book from 1st or 2nd edition is only really useful for paint schemes and background these days, whereas (in a friendly game) there'd be nothing stopping you from using the original 3rd ed codex for Space Marines (as an example) - it just would be far less optimal than using the current book.

Dysartes wrote:
Because the assumption when talking about an army being on its 1st/2nd/3rd/15th codex is that it refers to books compatible with 3rd edition and onwards, due to the compatibility of the last 3 editions. A book from 1st or 2nd edition is only really useful for paint schemes and background these days, whereas (in a friendly game) there'd be nothing stopping you from using the original 3rd ed codex for Space Marines (as an example) - it just would be far less optimal than using the current book.

It might be your assumption, and had it been stated as such you would have been correct. However what was stated did not have that assumption (which is not mine having played since the middle of 2nd edition).
What was stated was that it was the first Witch Hunters codex, more or less correct (but the army had previously been operating under a different name and a codex had previously been released for it). On the other hand, the other examples listed truly were on their first codex DE and Necrons).

Elric of Grans wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:the flying land raider

My immediate thoughts when I read that:

Land Raider Cheesius - 250 points
Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer, Tank)
AV: F14 S14 B14
Hull-Mounted Twin-Linked Battle Cannons, Pintle-Mounted Demolisher Cannon, Two Sponsoon-Mounted Chem Cannons, Smoke Launchers, Searchlights, and a Power Fist on a chain.
Transport Capacity: 12, or 6 in Terminator Armour.
Power of the Machine Spirit, Assault Vehicle.

The story I heard for the Tantalizing Flying Land Raider was 14 front, 12 sides, lots of assault cannons.

So not that different from your idea

iN MY OPINION THE BT'S REALLY NEED A NEW CODEX BECAUSE THE RULES AND VOWS DONT COHERE WITH THE NEW RULEBOOK PROPERLY ALSO THE TOMB KINGS AND BRETTONIA (BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT AGES AGO AND NEED UPDATING)
SORRY FOR THIS POST BEING IN CAPITALS BUT MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON THE KEYBOARD

Just like a Black Templar to be yelling about everything.

efarrer wrote:

Dysartes wrote:
Because the assumption when talking about an army being on its 1st/2nd/3rd/15th codex is that it refers to books compatible with 3rd edition and onwards, due to the compatibility of the last 3 editions. A book from 1st or 2nd edition is only really useful for paint schemes and background these days, whereas (in a friendly game) there'd be nothing stopping you from using the original 3rd ed codex for Space Marines (as an example) - it just would be far less optimal than using the current book.

It might be your assumption, and had it been stated as such you would have been correct. However what was stated did not have that assumption (which is not mine having played since the middle of 2nd edition).
What was stated was that it was the first Witch Hunters codex, more or less correct (but the army had previously been operating under a different name and a codex had previously been released for it). On the other hand, the other examples listed truly were on their first codex DE and Necrons).

Well,if you want to argue technicality and what was written,then you're wrong,as WH are not SoB. They include SoB within their army list,but you can build a WH army without using any SoB at all. Your argument is akin to saying DE are on their 3rd codex,as there was their original 3rd edition 'dex,the revised edition with the Chapter Approved rules added in,and there was the Lost and the Damned list out of the Eye of Terror book that included DE units. It would also be like saying BT are on their 4th or 5th codex,because they were simply run out of Codex:Space Marines before they got their own army list in Armaggeddon.

Stephen Bond wrote:iN MY OPINION THE BT'S REALLY NEED A NEW CODEX BECAUSE THE RULES AND VOWS DONT COHERE WITH THE NEW RULEBOOK PROPERLY ALSO THE TOMB KINGS AND BRETTONIA (BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT AGES AGO AND NEED UPDATING)
SORRY FOR THIS POST BEING IN CAPITALS BUT MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON THE KEYBOARD

Shift key helps.

The simple fact that the DH and WH books have disappeared from the GW site gives a good indication that they are the next to be released. As to whether it will be a combined codex or two different codices is yet to be seen. The rulebook lists them as the "Forces of the Imperium" whereas the older rulebooks list them as WH and DH.

There's rumors swirling about what else might be happening but the fact that things are disappearing gives good indication. How long until it happens is what I'm concerned about.

Actually, in 2E and early 3E, they were GK, Assassins, Ecclesiarchy, & Inq. were Forces of the Imperium.

In 4E, they became WH / DH to support the stupid Inq game.

In 5E, GW lumped them both under "Inquisition".

I'm hoping for 2 books, as Sisters are so different from regular Inq.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Actually, in 2E and early 3E, they were GK, Assassins, Ecclesiarchy, & Inq. were Forces of the Imperium.

In 4E, they became WH / DH to support the stupid Inq game.

In 5E, GW lumped them both under "Inquisition".

I'm hoping for 2 books, as Sisters are so different from regular Inq.

According to the 2nd edition IG codex there was going to be an Agents of the Imperium Codex.



So I guess that along with the Squats is latest codex so far

Yeah, I've got it in writing that C: Squats is coming, too.

Stephen Bond wrote:iN MY OPINION THE BT'S REALLY NEED A NEW CODEX BECAUSE THE RULES AND VOWS DONT COHERE WITH THE NEW RULEBOOK PROPERLY ALSO THE TOMB KINGS AND BRETTONIA (BECAUSE THEY CAME OUT AGES AGO AND NEED UPDATING)
SORRY FOR THIS POST BEING IN CAPITALS BUT MY CAPS LOCK IS STUCK ON THE KEYBOARD

You know if you hold shift while typing in caps lock, whatever you type goes to lower case. Please consider this before making another eyesore of a capslock post.

I got it straight from Mr Ed that Squats are coming in September and will feature four new plastic kits, five metals and will be a bumper 200 page Codex. It came down the vine to me that there would be a chapter explaining how the Squats were dumped by the Nids on the next planet as `Indigestible Garbage' and they have rebuilt their civilisation from the ground up. Similar to Codex: Tau Empires, Codex: Squats will include auxiliary forces, such as Genestealer Hybrids (also dumped on the same planet) and Pan Fo (the Squats met them looking for a new source of fuel to run their bikes). One of my contacts reliably informs me that Forge World will be coming in on this release with a new resin for `something awesome'. My understanding is that this will make the Vendetta look like a tandem bike.

Elric of Grans wrote:I got it straight from Mr Ed that Squats are coming in September and will feature four new plastic kits, five metals and will be a bumper 200 page Codex. It came down the vine to me that there would be a chapter explaining how the Squats were dumped by the Nids on the next planet as `Indigestible Garbage' and they have rebuilt their civilisation from the ground up. Similar to Codex: Tau Empires, Codex: Squats will include auxiliary forces, such as Genestealer Hybrids (also dumped on the same planet) and Pan Fo (the Squats met them looking for a new source of fuel to run their bikes). One of my contacts reliably informs me that Forge World will be coming in on this release with a new resin for `something awesome'. My understanding is that this will make the Vendetta look like a tandem bike.

UPDATE:
Jes Goodwin personally sent me some of his concept art for the new Squats. Here's his drawing of a Great Thane:

I've been talking to a few of the guys at the local store and like several people have already said the SoB boxes have been removed from sale. They were hinting at a possible release for the Inquisition codex in the near future along with multipart SoB squads, Deathwatch squads and possibly Plastic Grey Knights as well. Obviously just conjecture atm but if anyone has heard similar would love to see what they've heard.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I'm hoping for 2 books, as Sisters are so different from regular Inq.

What I find odd is that you hold onto this notion for grim death like it was immutable law yet GW has no problem with changing things, and you have no problem with things changing unless it's your precious Sisters.

Face it Jonny, there a Chamber Militant now... until GW changes them again... and again... and again.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

I'm hoping for 2 books, as Sisters are so different from regular Inq.

What I gathered from the guys I talked to was that SoB were going to remain as part of a larger Inquistion Codex. Only later were they going to divide the Inquistion back into DH and WH. They were also talking about the allies system allowing Inquisitors access to SM and IG squads to represent them seconding troops for missions. Again all conjecture and I apologise if I misunderstood them.

If we see a mixed DH/WH Inquisition book, what are the odds that we will see the return of the Deathwatch in there too?

Codex: Unexpected, because nobody expects the Inquisition!

JohnHwangDD wrote:Yeah, I've got it in writing that C: Squats is coming, too.

Any day now I understand.

And since they've been working on them since 1995 it will be the best codex EVAH!

(that's it, now they have to send the Storm Troopers to kick down my door)

I spoke to a few guys from Games Workshop at the weekend, the did mention DH/WH were due out soon, as they have been withdrawn from Stock/Website. As posted above there seems to be an indication about them being used more of as a allied army. After that its purely guess work, but Im hoping BT's

Dackota wrote:I spoke to a few guys from Games Workshop at the weekend. They are expecting DaemonHunters out fairly soon (the codex has been withdrawn from stores/website) and possibly BT's before the end of the year.

Huh, how about that.

How about: joint =][= release, Deathwatch are the new "black marines" and we get rid of BT entirely so a freaking non-Imperial race can get a codex.

If we go Inquisition into BT that would be stupid. 6 Imperial codices and one xeno codex.

Ostrakon wrote:

Huh, how about that.

How about: joint =][= release, Deathwatch are the new "black marines" and we get rid of BT entirely so a freaking non-Imperial race can get a codex.

If we go Inquisition into BT that would be stupid. 6 Imperial codices and one xeno codex.

Naw, then those 12 year olds fleecing mommy and daddy for cash to build a spehs mahreen army would be missing out...and we can't have that now, can we? I mean, you don't want some 12 year olds to cry do you? You big meanie.

Ostrakon wrote:
Huh, how about that.

How about: joint =][= release, Deathwatch are the new "black marines" and we get rid of BT entirely so a freaking non-Imperial race can get a codex.

If we go Inquisition into BT that would be stupid. 6 Imperial codices and one xeno codex.

Sorry, I edited my post, IM hoping for a BT codex, GW didnt intimate there was one, they just suggested DH/WH would be out sometime around summer.

Fateweaver wrote:I'd like to see Codex: Whiny Nerds.

Codex: Rules Lawyers would be a good one as well.

Unfortunately, since Codex: Contributes Nothing to Threads, Ever is delayed, some posters will have to stick with the WD minidex version.

Back on topic, it occurs to me that GW might be hesitant to release Necrons and DE in the same year or in a short timeframe. You'd think they'd want to split them up, almost certainly with at least one SM release in between. Given the creative minds behind DE, I imagine it'll be full of winsauce. However, it's hardly a "sure thing" saleswise. And Necrons might be in the same category. When they were the powergaming army of choice they had a big following, but they've fallen very, very far since.

I'm not very thrilled at the prospect of having 5 out of the first 6 Codexes this edition be Imperials. Here's hoping for DE or Necrons or even Tau.

I hope we get three xenos in row, but going by GW's history...

Lennysmash wrote:They were also talking about the allies system allowing Inquisitors access to SM and IG squads to represent them seconding troops for missions.

Dackota wrote:Sorry, I edited my post, IM hoping for a BT codex, GW didnt intimate there was one, they just suggested DH/WH would be out sometime around summer.

0% chance, both of you. Your other suggestions do not match up with what else we know either, so I would not recommend you pay your sources much heed.

gorgon wrote:I hope we get three xenos in row, but going by GW's history...

Exactly 50% of the books are Imperial, and half of them are now updated to Fifth Edition (counting Blood Angels). Almost half the Xenos are up to fifth edition. Sorry, I do not think there will be much deviation from the normal pattern.

Orks-Daemons-Smurfs-Guard-Wolves-Nids-Bloods.
Xenos-Xenox-Imperial-Imperial-Imperial-Xenox-Imperial.

I'd really like to see the Frateris Militia from 2nd ed SoB to be reintroduced. I like crafting models that looks a bit more civilian, and it would be nice to have a plastic source beside WHFB empire free company.

The inq codex will probably give me lots of excuses and inspiration to conversions. That, and getting rid of the silly DS-blocker standard unit, is the main reason that I hope for the inq codex.

Ostrakon wrote:How about: joint =][= release, Deathwatch are the new "black marines" and we get rid of BT entirely so a freaking non-Imperial race can get a codex.

How about not, as the BT have the most awesome bitz assortment of all the SMs.
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lord_blackfang wrote:I'm not very thrilled at the prospect of having 5 out of the first 6 Codexes this edition be Imperials. Here's hoping for DE or Necrons or even Tau.

I count things as Orks, Daemons, & Nids, for 3 non-Imperial books.

With all of the rumblings about BT I've heard on these and other forums, I would definitely hesitate to say 0% chance for 2010. I would say very unlikely, but not 0%. Include 2011 and I would say pretty good chance for BT.

To Elric of Grans; would you be able to clarify what you mean when you say a 0% chance given what we know. I'm not sure I understand what contradicts these as possibilities. Ta very much.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:How about: joint =][= release, Deathwatch are the new "black marines" and we get rid of BT entirely so a freaking non-Imperial race can get a codex.

How about not, as the BT have the most awesome bitz assortment of all the SMs.
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lord_blackfang wrote:I'm not very thrilled at the prospect of having 5 out of the first 6 Codexes this edition be Imperials. Here's hoping for DE or Necrons or even Tau.

I count things as Orks, Daemons, & Nids, for 3 non-Imperial books.

I was being sarcastic. Also:

Even though Orks and Daemons are 5E-friendly, weren't they released under 4E?

I just like the BT bitz.

If the Codex cover matches the 5E rulebook, it's a 5E rulebook.

Elric of Grans wrote:
Exactly 50% of the books are Imperial, and half of them are now updated to Fifth Edition (counting Blood Angels). Almost half the Xenos are up to fifth edition. Sorry, I do not think there will be much deviation from the normal pattern.

Orks-Daemons-Smurfs-Guard-Wolves-Nids-Bloods.
Xenos-Xenox-Imperial-Imperial-Imperial-Xenox-Imperial.

Hopefully,the new release schedule will be something along the lines of...

Inquisition
Dark Eldar
Necrons
Dark Angels
Tau
Black Templars
Chaos Marines
Eldar

Possibly swap Tau and BT and DE and 'crons.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I just like the BT bitz.

If the Codex cover matches the 5E rulebook, it's a 5E rulebook.

I don't blame you, those bitz are incredible. Can't wait to see the BA conversion kits

apwill4765 wrote:With all of the rumblings about BT I've heard on these and other forums, I would definitely hesitate to say 0% chance for 2010. I would say very unlikely, but not 0%. Include 2011 and I would say pretty good chance for BT.

I never said they were. The quote said that they were hoping for Black Templars with no timeframe (no need to answer wish listing) and stated that Inquisition was mid-year. There is a 0% chance we will see Inquisition mid-year. I think Black Templar are very likely for 2011.

Lennysmash,

Lennysmash wrote:What I gathered from the guys I talked to was that SoB were going to remain as part of a larger Inquistion Codex. Only later were they going to divide the Inquistion back into DH and WH. They were also talking about the allies system allowing Inquisitors access to SM and IG squads to represent them seconding troops for missions. Again all conjecture and I apologise if I misunderstood them.

Jervis stated at three separate Games Days that they will not combine Sisters into a larger Inquisition Codex. This has also been shot down a dozen times over by those in the know. Allies are guaranteed to be out.

Lennysmash wrote:They were hinting at a possible release for the Inquisition codex in the near future along with multipart SoB squads, Deathwatch squads and possibly Plastic Grey Knights as well. Obviously just conjecture atm but if anyone has heard similar would love to see what they've heard.

There are hints that Grey Knights/Inquisition may be in the not-too-distant future, yes, but not Sisters. We know that Sisters plastics are only in the early design phase and are not expected until late next year, at the earliest.

Whatever1, I would suggest Black Templars are going to be well before Dark Angels. The rest is as good as anyone else's guess. Even Games Wokshop HQ does not know the release schedule more than 6 months ahead, so anything could happen really.

So there is no suggestion that BT or DA are comming out? What most are saying is just wish listing?

well I am biased as I have a necron army rotting away on a shelf, but They really need a new book. Not just for power level balancing but the rules don't even really make sense with the new ruleset. I know what the general view on them being swept is, but it seems to dance around the rules a bit either way you play it.

Noobtodagame wrote:So there is no suggestion that BT or DA are comming out?

Are they coming out in the next 20 years? Sure. Are they next? I would not bet on it. We know Black Templars are in development, but we also know they are not next --- it was stated earlier in this thread. There has never once been any suggestion that Dark Angels are even in early development. Considering we knew about Ultramarines, Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Black Templars long before, I find it highly doubtful that they are that close to complete and no one has even noticed they are being worked upon.

The armies we know are in development (ignoring Blood Angels) are Black Templars, Grey Knights, Sisters, Dark Eldar and Necrons. If Black Templar are not next, Sisters are a long way off, and neither Dark Eldar nor Necron are likely for this year, I think I know where I would put my money. Could I be wrong? Sure, but I would rather take the safe bet than put my money on the horse that was already put down.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:How about: joint =][= release, Deathwatch are the new "black marines" and we get rid of BT entirely so a freaking non-Imperial race can get a codex.

How about not, as the BT have the most awesome bitz assortment of all the SMs.

My Dark Angels beg to differ!

Sorry, KK, but flower-print dresses aren't awesome.

But they're so pretty! My Dark Angels love to wear their pretty dresses and their silky underthings and play with dollies and have tea parties!

Almost there...

Alpharius wrote:Almost there...

Where?

Thread lock I would guess.

Anyhooo....

I wonder why GW doesn't say anything about Necron update, and what they will add when they get around to it. Rules-wise, the fixes are pretty obvious, but the adds are hard to predict. Certainly, rule-wise, Necrons are very much in need of a new book to fit the 40k 5E+ ethos.

Well, before this gets locked I'd like to say that i got some very strong hints from the local GW that there are plastic SoB and GK coming out this year; chances are that this will be a tie in with an Inquisition codex.

Apparently the 'greens' of the plastic SoB are on the net somewhere; not been able to find them yet though :(

John, you know perfectly well that Games Workshop denies ever working on anything. They just sit around twiddling their thumbs until *pop* an army release is ready and THEN they tell people that they did it. Just between you and I, the truth is that the models are made by elves; the rules by monkeys on typewriters. Somewhat more seriously, we know they are in the works, but last we heard they were looking likely to be out after Dark Eldar.

I have not heard of photos of Sisters greens; I probably would have (I troll the news and rumours of darn near every Warhammer site).

@Elric of Grans: Thanks for the clarification.

@Elric: Actually, it seems the reverse: GW is always working on stuff (e.g. DE), but releases don't get announced until magically they're ready.

JohnHwangDD wrote:Anyhooo....

I wonder why GW doesn't say anything about Necron update, and what they will add when they get around to it. Rules-wise, the fixes are pretty obvious, but the adds are hard to predict. Certainly, rule-wise, Necrons are very much in need of a new book to fit the 40k 5E+ ethos.

Are the fixes really that obvious?

The problem (and Necrons aren't the only ones who have it) is the vast discrepancy between rules and fluff. In the fluff gauss weapons are capable of instakilling pretty much anything on a direct hit, and gauss cannons can apparently double-penetrate LR armor. The fluff portrays Flayed Ones as deadly and quick, and Pariahs as unstoppable juggernauts that drive men completely mad.

If we wanted to represent them the way the fluff hypes them sometimes, they'd be like 120 points/model.

I like playing them because of aesthetics, and because they feel unique to me via gauss weaponry and WBB. You play them not usually by taking specialized units but instead using general units wisely - the polar opposite of armies like Eldar or IG. If they cop out by making things like "gauss missile launcher" wargear for troops, it'd ruin it.

So how would they handle vehicles? Keeping autoglances seems reasonable, but would they count all vehicles as open-topped? Or should their weaponry count as AP 1 on a six? Right now they have a huge problem dealing with terminators, the fluff suggests that gauss weapons should be able to handle Tactical Dreadnought armor without a problem.

I think the problem with crons, ruleswise, is making sure they're playable without making them prohibitively expensive. Right now a lot of their stuff costs too much, and they're missing things like reliable anti-armor and ways to deal with dedicated CC units (getting assaulted out of Storm Harbingers is going to be impossible for me to deal with). And even with their special rules and high minimum squad numbers, they're not powerful enough to justify Phase Out as an army-wide drawback.

I want to see them done right. They should have a balanced codex where there are no or few useless models, like Tyranids or SM. And I don't envy the person who has that task (Matt Ward, I believe).

You being a mono-Necron player, I have to take your words with a grain of salt.

If my Eldar, SM, and Inquisition forces were as Fluff, then your Necrons would fold like paper.

I think the basics of Necrons will hold (FNP replace WBB), and that Phase out will likely go away, but I'd expect them to suck worse in HtH, perhaps WS2 BS4 S4 T4W1 I2 A1 Ld10 Sv3+ FNP Rending.

I think Necrons will get a bunch of new models, likely Jetbike MCs & Skimmer Dreads and more Destroyer options, with a mini-Monolith Pod marker.

JohnHwangDD wrote:You being a mono-Necron player, I have to take your words with a grain of salt.

If my Eldar, SM, and Inquisition forces were as Fluff, then your Necrons would fold like paper.

I think the basics of Necrons will hold (FNP replace WBB), and that Phase out will likely go away, but I'd expect them to suck worse in HtH, perhaps WS2 BS4 S4 T4W1 I2 A1 Ld10 Sv3+ FNP Rending.

I think Necrons will get a bunch of new models, likely Jetbike MCs & Skimmer Dreads and more Destroyer options, with a mini-Monolith Pod marker.

True, I haven't read anything Necrons v. Marines, but they wrecked the crap out of Orks, IG, and SoB in the Cain series. Wasn't even close. And going by the current codex itself, Necrons were kicking the living crap out of BT.
Sorry if I'm sounding like a Necron fanboy, it's just that I've never really seen Necrons lose anywhere but on the table.

I would LOVE for there to be some kind of 'cron walker or skimmer dread. Or a transport. Too bad they can't bring out the Void Dragon without making massive changes to existing fluff.

I think one of the big things they're missing is a designated heavy "infantry unit", so I'd love to see them get a Dread or Obliterator equivalent.

And I'm worried about them being completely terrible in CC. (I mean, they already are already) but it seems to me that Tau is the designated shooty army that completely blows in melee. Fluff depicts crons as being decent in melee, but only if for some reason their enemies haven't been completely gauss-flayed beforehand. Their current statline is fine, (with rending added to gauss weapons, rending melee if you pay for disruption fields perhaps?) but with stubborn or fearless so they can't get outright swept so easily. It's just weird that these supposed immortal necron warriors can get suddenly wiped out because one of them got scratched by a chainsword and ran.

I dunno if that would be balanced or not though. Like I said, I don't want to be playing a supercheese army.

JohnHwangDD wrote:You being a mono-Necron player, I have to take your words with a grain of salt.

If my Eldar, SM, and Inquisition forces were as Fluff, then your Necrons would fold like paper.

I think the basics of Necrons will hold (FNP replace WBB), and that Phase out will likely go away, but I'd expect them to suck worse in HtH, perhaps WS2 BS4 S4 T4W1 I2 A1 Ld10 Sv3+ FNP Rending.

I think Necrons will get a bunch of new models, likely Jetbike MCs & Skimmer Dreads and more Destroyer options, with a mini-Monolith Pod marker.

One thing comes to mind, though. I've played since 2nd ed. and I've never seen a major stat revamp (at least not for basic troops) from one edition codex to the next. Heard some stuff got changed from Rouge Trader to 2nd ed., but I think that was it. Though lower WS and I combined with mebbe T5, FNP and fearless would make sense fluffwise... Necron warriors aren't vicious cc monsters, they just take an extreme amount of punishment before going down.

BrassScorpion wrote:

the trend has been a codex dissapears or is listed as no longer available on their website and a month or so later they announce the release coming.

In this case it will be a bit more than a couple months, but the logic is otherwise sound.

So BA, something else, Inquisition, in that order? >.>

Kveldulv wrote:
One thing comes to mind, though. I've played since 2nd ed. and I've never seen a major stat revamp (at least not for basic troops) from one edition codex to the next. Heard some stuff got changed from Rouge Trader to 2nd ed., but I think that was it. Though lower WS and I combined with mebbe T5, FNP and fearless would make sense fluffwise... Necron warriors aren't vicious cc monsters, they just take an extreme amount of punishment before going down.

A lot of basic unit stats changed from RT (SPM with T3 is my favourite example) to 2nd (where models still had a movement stat and armor saves worked as in whfb) and then again to 3rd ed (where you really had to use basic units to good effect if you wanted to win). And then some stats changed when each army got it's first proper codex in 3rd ed. But since then the power increase has primarily been done by adding new "special" units, keeping basic troops at their old statline but with a lower cost and some new special rules. All the while making old special rules less powerful by issuing new BRBs (I still remember the eldar howl of whine when their precious fleet move was made commonly available). I think grots got BS3 with the 5ed codex (but they are not really basic troops), Tyranid warriors have gained +1W and -1S since 3rd ed. I'm sure some other things have changed but I can't think of any. In the light of this, I think the necrons will stay pretty much the same stats. They will gain a bunch of special rules, among wich will be a bunch of low points/high $$$ vehicles/big models, maybe even transports (!). They will gain more strange deployment options and some must-have units that are completely new.

Mellon wrote:

Kveldulv wrote:
One thing comes to mind, though. I've played since 2nd ed. and I've never seen a major stat revamp (at least not for basic troops) from one edition codex to the next. Heard some stuff got changed from Rouge Trader to 2nd ed., but I think that was it. Though lower WS and I combined with mebbe T5, FNP and fearless would make sense fluffwise... Necron warriors aren't vicious cc monsters, they just take an extreme amount of punishment before going down.

A lot of basic unit stats changed from RT (SPM with T3 is my favourite example) to 2nd (where models still had a movement stat and armor saves worked as in whfb) and then again to 3rd ed (where you really had to use basic units to good effect if you wanted to win). And then some stats changed when each army got it's first proper codex in 3rd ed. But since then the power increase has primarily been done by adding new "special" units, keeping basic troops at their old statline but with a lower cost and some new special rules. All the while making old special rules less powerful by issuing new BRBs (I still remember the eldar howl of whine when their precious fleet move was made commonly available). I think grots got BS3 with the 5ed codex (but they are not really basic troops), Tyranid warriors have gained +1W and -1S since 3rd ed. I'm sure some other things have changed but I can't think of any. In the light of this, I think the necrons will stay pretty much the same stats. They will gain a bunch of special rules, among wich will be a bunch of low points/high $$$ vehicles/big models, maybe even transports (!). They will gain more strange deployment options and some must-have units that are completely new.

I'm gonna go ahead and guess a 2 point reduction (at least) on every model in the army, if only so they can sell more.

InquisitorBob wrote:

BrassScorpion wrote:

the trend has been a codex dissapears or is listed as no longer available on their website and a month or so later they announce the release coming.

In this case it will be a bit more than a couple months, but the logic is otherwise sound.

So BA, something else, Inquisition, in that order? >.>

I believe it normally goes 40k WFB, 40k WFB so I think we are looking at Beastmen, Blood Angels, some other WFB stuff, Inquisition maybe?

Ostrakon wrote:I would LOVE for there to be some kind of 'cron walker or skimmer dread. Or a transport.

I think one of the big things they're missing is a designated heavy "infantry unit", so I'd love to see them get a Dread or Obliterator equivalent.

And I'm worried about them being completely terrible in CC. (I mean, they already are already) but it seems to me that Tau is the designated shooty army that completely blows in melee. Fluff depicts crons as being decent in melee, but only if for some reason their enemies haven't been completely gauss-flayed beforehand.

Their current statline is fine, (with rending added to gauss weapons, rending melee if you pay for disruption fields perhaps?) but with stubborn or fearless so they can't get outright swept so easily.

I don't want to be playing a supercheese army.

Oh, I don't think Necrons will end up a supercheese army. Far from it. But they'll be better and more flexible, I imagine.

I can't see conventional Transports, but I definitely expect to see teleporters of some sort to support Deep Strike on and across the board.

I think some kind of Dread and Oblit are very possible and likely. Remember, the Necron list grows with each release (I remember when Necrons were just a half-dozen models in 2E).

Tau are the GEQ shooters who totally suck in HtH; Necrons are the MEQ shooters who totally suck in HtH.

Necrons probably would get Fearless, handling the CC sweep problem, or else have some H&R-like option to teleport into Reserves.
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Kveldulv wrote:I've played since 2nd ed. and I've never seen a major stat revamp (at least not for basic troops) from one edition codex to the next.

Well... define basic. Eldar changed a lot from 2E to 3E, with WLs & WG going from AVs to T&W, along with Shuricats sucking big time. DA went from Bolter to B&BP in 4E, while CSM went from Bolter or BP&CCW to B&BP&CCW in 5E.

Necrons, of course, had a huge change from 2E to 3E.

kiwitexansfan wrote:I believe it normally goes 40k WFB, 40k WFB so I think we are looking at Beastmen, Blood Angels, some other WFB stuff, Inquisition maybe?

There is a... small amount of Fantasy stuff coming out after Blood Angels

By small amount, you mean a new rulebook & starter, aling with some random army book? Yeah.

*psst* You forgot the Summer Campaign and the second- (third-, fourth-, whatever) waves for several armies, such as Dark Elves. This is a really small thing that no one has noticed yet, so keep it quiet!

*puts the collar of his coat up to the brim of his hat and slinks into the fog*

Elric of Grans wrote:This is a really small thing that no one has noticed yet, so keep it quiet!

*puts the collar of his coat up to the brim of his hat and slinks into the fog*

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kveldulv wrote:I've played since 2nd ed. and I've never seen a major stat revamp (at least not for basic troops) from one edition codex to the next.

Well... define basic. Eldar changed a lot from 2E to 3E, with WLs & WG going from AVs to T&W, along with Shuricats sucking big time. DA went from Bolter to B&BP in 4E, while CSM went from Bolter or BP&CCW to B&BP&CCW in 5E.

Necrons, of course, had a huge change from 2E to 3E.

All I meant was that SMs have had all their 4s and 1s in their stat sheet as long as I can remember, same with Eldar Guardians & Imperial Guardsmen and their 3s and so on and so forth. That's why I think the stipulated major revamp of the Necron Warrior stats a few posts up is unlikely to happen.

An inquisition coeex woudl be interesting. I don't own any of thwe armies but you also dont see many of them around. A new codex might bring a few nice looking armies to the table.

Maybe, but I'm waiting to see how much they butcher my SoB army

Cheaper Rhinos would be nice though. But, I'm sure the list will be more restrictive, you probably won't get to build the Canoness and stuff from scratch, but I guess it might be better if it's done like the other Codices. It would be good if they kept the ally rule though, and finally the Immolator SoB wouldn't be the only plastic SoB.

How could the Sisters possibly get more restrictive? You either field Sisters with Flamers or Sisters with Meltas. Your only other choices are Sisters with Jump Packs (not a real choice), Sisters in Rhinos, Sisters in Immolators, or a singular Sister of Flying Cheese. Are you suggesting they will take away the Melta option?

Elric of Grans wrote:How could the Sisters possibly get more restrictive? You either field Sisters with Flamers or Sisters with Meltas. Your only other choices are Sisters with Jump Packs (not a real choice), Sisters in Rhinos, Sisters in Immolators, or a singular Sister of Flying Cheese. Are you suggesting they will take away the Melta option?

I'm sure SoB will retain at least as much variety as Necrons.

So practically none

chaplaingrabthar wrote:
I'm sure SoB will retain at least as much variety as Necrons.

Funny how that isn't saying much.

@Elric: You forgot to mention Sisters with d6 krak missiles, don't worry though; I'm sure GW will find a way to make even that more restrictive

I keep getting the sensation that GW feels deeply ashamed anytime they have to work on a non-imperial codex. And since disappointed fans say hurtful things and frighten GW, they're afraid to speak up when developing such an army.

Like I was thinking aloud in another post..

Back in the days of space crusade, marines carried ass.cannons, not terminators. Chaos, 'Androids' (someone say necrons), and Dreadnoughts all fought together with orks and gretchin.

My point is that GW will chop/change anything/everything just to see what works... who knows what they'll come up with for a new 'dex...?

I hope Necrons get some cool new stuff, I always liked how they looked but hated how few models there were.

snowman40k wrote:Like I was thinking aloud in another post..

Back in the days of space crusade, marines carried ass.cannons, not terminators. Chaos, 'Androids' (someone say necrons), and Dreadnoughts all fought together with orks and gretchin.

My point is that GW will chop/change anything/everything just to see what works... who knows what they'll come up with for a new 'dex...?

That was only for that mass-market board game. Established fluff at that time disagreed.

gorgon wrote: And Necrons might be in the same category. When they were the powergaming army of choice they had a big following, but they've fallen very, very far since.

But followings like that will come right back around if they become powerful again. People who drop an army because rules or metagame changes nerf its ability to win will pick it up again if it regains the ability to win. I think the consideration from GW's end is really more about the non-powergaming group, and whether they'll have enough popular following to do well.

Honestly, I think they should have released Necrons around the time that Terminator: Salvation hit. It's hard to imagine a better time to relaunch the Termi--I mean, Necron army. They could even have infiltrating/outflanking Necrons that are disguised as humans...either 7-foot tall steroid-infused monsters or 5-foot petite teenagers.

I like the giant-sized Terminator. So awesome.



Necrons could use one of these!

That, with enough gauss cannons to never want to stock up on vast amounts of destroyers, spread the points elsewhere.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I like the giant-sized Terminator. So awesome.

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Necrons could use one of these!

Yeah, like the Monolith isn't enough of a pain to assemble, we need something like that.

Now the question becomes, what does a Necron dread look like? A big, bulky warrior, or something more akin to a bipedal tomb spyder?

I could totally see something like

WS 4 BS 4 S 7 13/12/10 I3 A2 with living metal as per the monolith, a warscythe instead of a DCCW, and some form of gauss weapon.

That could be brutal. AV 13 in CC with no double pen. Be prepared to pay, especially with having a built in warscythe.

Noobtodagame wrote:That could be brutal. AV 13 in CC with no double pen. Be prepared to pay, especially with having a built in warscythe.

I dunno, at I3 he's going to get laughed at by dreads even with AV13.

But this is all massively pointless speculation. I just want a cool Necrodread model.

Tau still strike me as one of the more likely xenos, as they only require a few small releases (equivalent to the Tyranids); move a couple of hybrids and metals to plastic, release a few new toys, revamp rules to correct sales numbers and bingo, done!

Jack

Jackmojo, You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never assume logic in GW's product line"!

What do you think the odds are that the next necron codex will combine heavy destoryers and regular destroyers in the same entry. Making the heavy gauss cannon an upgrade for a regular destoryer. I would also like to see a new model (god willing plastic) for the tomb spyder. Somthing bigger that actually screams: Monsterous Creature!

Chamleoneyes wrote:What do you think the odds are that the next necron codex will combine heavy destoryers and regular destroyers in the same entry. Making the heavy gauss cannon an upgrade for a regular destoryer. I would also like to see a new model (god willing plastic) for the tomb spyder. Somthing bigger that actually screams: Monsterous Creature!

The tomb spyder is huge. Compare it to a marine, and marines are like 8 feet tall. With those big nasty claws, hovering slowly, silently, inevitably toward you, ready to rip through flesh and ceramite alike. Cloaked in a cloud of tiny metal insects, preparing to rend the skin from your quivering, helpless body.

And I think the whole Heavy Gauss Cannon as wargear is probably pretty likely, and awesome at that. The Heavy Destroyers' Heavy Support slot would be replaced by some kind of Obliterator-ish unit, or some sort of walker.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:Jackmojo, You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never assume logic in GW's product line"!

Indeed

Although I would say that most of their decisions are quite reasonable from a business management perspective, but we all know managers and reality have only a passing acquaintance.

Chamleoneyes wrote:What do you think the odds are that the next necron codex will combine heavy destoryers and regular destroyers in the same entry. Making the heavy gauss cannon an upgrade for a regular destoryer. I would also like to see a new model (god willing plastic) for the tomb spyder. Somthing bigger that actually screams: Monsterous Creature!

It all really depends on how likely a future Necron Codex is, and if so, how much it will actually have in common with their old iteration.

Jack

I was just looking over the hints we have on the next Codex:

"Blood Angels are only half of the story".
"Fleet based Marines".
"Very nice stuff winging its way in our direction".

I was definitely wrong: there is no way of interpreting that other than Dark Angels. With very strong rumours of Grey Knights and Black Templars coming out in the next 12 months, we are probably looking at every single Marine variant having an update before half the non-Marine armies get one.

Flesh Tearers are Fleet based Marines. Fleet USR that is
And the BA have winged models.

saryrn wrote:I am hearing that Dark Eldar are going to be released in October.

I guess you're kidding.
DE will never be re-released.

I definitely hope you are right Elric. I definitely thought that when I read the hints, and am really hoping that they do some good things with Deathwing, like 10 man squads (pretty dumb with Deathwing assault, I know), especially considering the whole thing that every one says; "Space Wolves do it better." Boils my blood every time I hear it.
Make the Special Characters a bit better (especially Belial, God does he need a boost.)
Update the costs on the other units, and we are gold.

If DA get an update, that'd be awfully quick, I think.

I hope I am wrong. Nothing but Marines sounds like a positively dreadful prospect. Still, Games Workshop has been working quite hard lately at ensuring I save money.

I heard Necrons were coming sometime in December 2010.

It's going to be, oh wait I am not telling. I know but you all will have to wait. Sorry not going to let it slip, you all almost got me but nope, not going to tell you. I do know though, just wait and see. If I am wrong you guys will be the first to know. Really though I do know. It's pretty obvious, come on I don't want to get anyone in trouble. I could tell you but I don't want to. I do know though, really I do. Just wait and you all will see that I am right.

Elric of Grans wrote:I was just looking over the hints we have on the next Codex:

"Blood Angels are only half of the story".
"Fleet based Marines".
"Very nice stuff winging its way in our direction".

I was definitely wrong: there is no way of interpreting that other than Dark Angels. With very strong rumours of Grey Knights and Black Templars coming out in the next 12 months, we are probably looking at every single Marine variant having an update before half the non-Marine armies get one.

All of these tidbits come from Harry on Warseer, who said in that very same thread quite clearly if I recall rightly (a rarity from him, since the rumor crackdown he has become the master of vague) that Dark Angels were not the other half.

GW is doing Marine, then non-Marine for releases. If Dark Angels or Black Templars actually do get redone in the near future, they wouldn't be right after each other. I think even GW knows how bad that sort of saturation would be for business.

I just had the thought that they might release plastic models for Sisters and/or Grey Knights before they actually get a codex. I think that's pretty preposterous, but it's a thought. They used to do things like that all the time.

LiberatedObject wrote:I definitely hope you are right Elric. I definitely thought that when I read the hints, and am really hoping that they do some good things with Deathwing, like 10 man squads (pretty dumb with Deathwing assault, I know), especially considering the whole thing that every one says; "Space Wolves do it better." Boils my blood every time I hear it.
Make the Special Characters a bit better (especially Belial, God does he need a boost.)
Update the costs on the other units, and we are gold.

Why not just put out a WD article with a few special characters and have DA players use the Vanilla codex?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Why not just put out a WD article with a few special characters and have DA players use the Vanilla codex?

Because it's an army that's been around since 2nd Ed?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

Defiler wrote:why isn't my book coming out first etc.

Because they're a terrible idea that didn't sell the first time?

Just guessing here

Anyway for what little it's worth Inquisition was the hint the local Red Shirts are dropping, pointing out they can't reorder the big =I=.

If we get that I promise to do the happy dance.

Play Dawn of War, and play Dark Eldar.

Dark Eldar are badass (even though their minis aren't).

Elric of Grans wrote:I was just looking over the hints we have on the next Codex:

"Blood Angels are only half of the story".
"Fleet based Marines".
"Very nice stuff winging its way in our direction".

I was definitely wrong: there is no way of interpreting that other than Dark Angels. With very strong rumours of Grey Knights and Black Templars coming out in the next 12 months, we are probably looking at every single Marine variant having an update before half the non-Marine armies get one.

Sorry, the "other half" is actually the Flesh Tearers, like lord_blackfang said. They are a pretty big deal in the codex (big enough to represent "half the story") and they're based around the Fleet USR. That's a good thing, we don't need back to back Codex: Random Wacky Marines releases.

Gavo wrote:I heard Necrons were coming sometime in December 2010.

Plenty of conflicting information points to a "Who The Hell Knows" release date!

bhsman wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Why not just put out a WD article with a few special characters and have DA players use the Vanilla codex?

Because it's an army that's been around since 2nd Ed?

Actually, in 2nd edition, they had to share a codex with the Blood Angels.

Ironhide wrote:
Actually, in 2nd edition, they had to share a codex with the Blood Angels.

This is true, but doesn't make what I said untrue.

And the blood angels don't have currently a WD codex? they have been around just as long

bhsman wrote:

Ironhide wrote:
Actually, in 2nd edition, they had to share a codex with the Blood Angels.

This is true, but doesn't make what I said untrue.

Rainbow Warriors have been around since 1st, shouldn't they get a codex first?

Why doesn't anyone ever think of the poor long-suffering Rainbow Warrior players?

bhsman wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Why not just put out a WD article with a few special characters and have DA players use the Vanilla codex?

Because it's an army that's been around since 2nd Ed?

Try Rogue Trader, when they wore black armor and the Primarch was Lynn Algonsin.

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:

Play Dawn of War,

No.

and play Dark Eldar.

No.

Dark Eldar are badass (even though their minis aren't).

You're half right

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Rainbow Warriors have been around since 1st, shouldn't they get a codex first?

Why doesn't anyone ever think of the poor long-suffering Rainbow Warrior players?

Did they have any special rules in second edition that warranted a separate codex from the regular Space Marines?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:
Why not just put out a WD article with a few special characters and have DA players use the Vanilla codex?

Probably the same reason that they are releasing BA and have BT and SW(though they are arguably different enough). They operate just differently enough to warrant a seperate book.

bhsman wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Rainbow Warriors have been around since 1st, shouldn't they get a codex first?

Why doesn't anyone ever think of the poor long-suffering Rainbow Warrior players?

Did they have any special rules in second edition that warranted a separate codex from the regular Space Marines?

Oh yes, their recycling rules and 'can't we all just get along' attack were vastly different from the vanilla chapters. Not mention their big flamers.

Vhalyar wrote:Sorry, the "other half" is actually the Flesh Tearers, like lord_blackfang said. They are a pretty big deal in the codex (big enough to represent "half the story") and they're based around the Fleet USR. That's a good thing, we don't need back to back Codex: Random Wacky Marines releases.

Thank God, that is a real relief! I was not looking forward to that prospect.

LiberatedObject wrote:Probably the same reason that they are releasing BA and have BT and SW(though they are arguably different enough). They operate just differently enough to warrant a seperate book.

Their third edition book was 95% `refer to Codex: Space Marines'. They are not that different. As KK said, they could be represented by a couple of Special Characters. One allows an all-Termie army, the other allows an all Bike/Landspeeder army. 95% of the complaints from Dark Angels players are that the rest of their Codex is currently different to Codex: Space Marines, so just putting them into Codex: Space Marines would have made everyone happier. The Blood Angels could have been the same: a Special Character that swaps Combat Tactics for Furious Charge and grants Feels No Pain to a single Tactical Squad (`Death Company'). The Iron Clad could have then been renamed `Furioso' and we would be done. Black Templars could then be eaten by the Nids, Space Wolves drink themselves into extinction and Ultramarines start up a new company called `Games Workshop' where they spend all day promoting themselves, despite not actually being good for anything. Sounds like a plan!

I think Dark Angels in their current state could easily be in Codex Marines with some special characters. The same could be said of Blood Angels with their White Dwarf codex. Space Wolves have always been a lot different though.

Regardless, GW is doing their best to make it so these new codices aren't just copy and pasted sections of the vanilla Marines codex. If Dark Angels get redone, they'll probably have a whole slew of new rules and units that set them apart from codex Marines and Blood Angels.

Yea man, why does every state get to have their own football team? They should just have a single 'America' team that you just take a different quaterback to unlock different players, so for better passing and armor you'd only get to field a few dudes.

Now who would fit with rugby to complete this analogy: IG or Orkz?

Kid_Kyoto wrote:

bhsman wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:Rainbow Warriors have been around since 1st, shouldn't they get a codex first?

Why doesn't anyone ever think of the poor long-suffering Rainbow Warrior players?

Did they have any special rules in second edition that warranted a separate codex from the regular Space Marines?

Oh yes, their recycling rules and 'can't we all just get along' attack were vastly different from the vanilla chapters. Not mention their big flamers.

Plus they were a founding legion.

And for some reason the Sisters of Battle really, really hated the Rainbow Warriors.

Personally I play the Rainbow Space Shark Warriors. They get absolutely NO love from GW. At all.

So I think that the next Space Marine codex should be Rainbow Warriors/Space Sharks.

Finally get the attention they deserve!

Where's the Waaambulance when you need it?

JohnHwangDD wrote:Where's the Waaambulance when you need it?

Busy with Dark Eldar players.

Honestly, by "half the story" I assume they are just trying to be interesting. Kinda like how the 'nid codex mentions tau and now a lot of people seem to think this is a harbinger of a tau 'dex. (I may be getting my stories crossed it's 4 in the morning here and I'm going to sleep.)

What I heard about the new Codexes is:

Necrons are well under way
DE are well under way
DH have just been started
WH have just been started
Tau are soon to be started

I know nothing of other SM Chapters.

I can vaguely remember someone telling me that Chaos isn't far off either but not too sure.

That seems like a lot to me but then I've no idea how many they habitually work on at once.