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The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 00:13:26


Post by: MIKEtheMERCILESS


Now, I really like the fluff of the codicies- I normally thoroughly enjoy reading through each one to really get a flavour for the character of the race, and just generally find it fasinating reading about them in the 40k universe. However, this codex, quite frankly, had me cringing. I'm not saying it wasn't well written, or didn't make sence - the best way to describe my thoughts on it would be to give the analogy of the kid on the playground who, when he gets "shot" by his friend during a game of Cowboys and Indians, informs everyone that he is impervious to bullets as he is "wearing Class IV Wizard Armour". Lets see what I mean...

Tyranid : Hey guys, did I mention how we're the best? I mean there's gazallions of us!!
Marine : Yeah, that's true - but common, we're Gods of War... we're really awesome at battlefield tactics, so at least we can outsmart you!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we have this dude which is a TACTICAL GENIOUS and is better than even your smartest man and I'll even write a story about how he outsmarted him and than kicked his ass!
Eldar : Right, but look at us, I mean, common - we're a race of ninjas!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we have this dude which eats your souls of your craftworld and then becomes a SUPER SAIN PSYCHIC NINJA and kills everyone in your craftworld and eats their souls so they're extra dead!
Orks : Whatever, we can handle you - we're pretty numerous too ya know, plus we have spores and stuff to multiply right then and there - you need to devour a plannet to get your numbers back!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we only need a few dudes on a planet and we make these secret spawning pool thingies so can multiply even FASTER, and we're smarter and have loads of assasins to take out your big bosses!
IG : Yeah yeah, I know, you're tougher than us, blah blah blah - but at least we have warp travel, you take AGES to go from plannet to planet, at least we have plenty of time to get our fleets ready and bolster our defenses...
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we have this space pod dude which like uses gravity and magic and pulls our fleet towards your planet REALLY REALLY fast, and it also causes loads of earthquakes on the planet we're after!
Tau : What about us? Ok, we're small - but even our basic troops have awsome guns and we adapt really fast!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... our dudes adapt even faster! And we can evolve magic armour that makes us invinsible to your awesome weapons, and can go invisible!
Dark Eldar What about us?
Tyranid : lol no.

I honestly believe the only reason there isn't anything in the fluff that mentions Tyranids eating Necron metal and the Shadow in the Warp blocking Chaos from their gods was because they ran out of room. Anyone else feel the same way?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 00:43:29


Post by: Solly


I haven't read the codex myself but have played against the Tyrs as of late..
Your synopsis is quiet amusing though.. Maybe I will purchase one and have a look see..



The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 00:49:48


Post by: A-P


MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:Lets see what I mean...


. Thank you for giving me this wonderful opportunity to disturb my sleeping neighbors with roaring laughter.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 01:29:21


Post by: Commander Endova


Fluff nothing. That's pretty much how it feels in game. It's like every time I think I've got an ace up my sleeve, my 'Nid opponent has some way to counter it.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 01:31:29


Post by: Ketara


I love it. Spot on completely. I hadn't thought of it in those terms, but 100% accurate.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 02:46:59


Post by: warpcrafter


Just wait, in the upcoming Blood Angels codex they'll come up with some fluff reason why they're the hardest dudes in the Galaxy, but haven't conquered all because they spend 95% of their time sitting alone in their rooms cutting themselves and listening to Morrisey.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 02:49:37


Post by: romulus571


Sigh. Sad but true.

I play Eldar. 'Nids make my psychic powers harder to cast.
I play Marines. 'Nids overwhelm me, even with their 'elite' lists.

I got my revenge though. Got the drop on 10 genestealers w/ broodlord with my space clowns. My opponent had never seen space clowns before, he thought his stealers would destroy me. Killed all but three stealers and sweeping advanced the rest. The clowns got shot to death next turn but it was totally worth it.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 02:52:44


Post by: Orkeosaurus


I honestly believe the only reason there isn't anything in the fluff that mentions Tyranids eating Necron metal and the Shadow in the Warp blocking Chaos from their gods was because they ran out of room. Anyone else feel the same way?
I think you're forgetting that Necrons were the original "Oh Yeah" army.

We are the Emperor's Space Marines, and we know no fear! While few in number, each one of us super strong and resilient, clad in the greatest armor the galaxy has seen, carrying the deadly bolter against those who defy us, and one of us can fight off a thousand foes!

Oh yeah? Well we're just as strong and resilient as you are. And plus, we have just as good of armor, because we're made out of metal, and it's not just regular metal, it's like the magic metal from Terminator 2 and it is like all the best parts of not being metal made into metal, and plus, that doesn't matter because whenever you think you kill us we just come back because we can all raise ourselves from the dead, and plus our guns shoot lasers out of them and they don't even just kill you they turn you into like dust and you don't even exist any more.

Yoo fink yur so grate, toasta boy? Dunt yoo no how many Orkz dere is? If we wuz all foightin' at da same time, we'd stomp da onniverse flat!

Oh yeah well you know what you don't even know how many of us there are so maybe there are more of us than you because, like, only 1% of all the necrons are even the ones you see because the rest are all just waiting to arise and destroy all life in the universe. Also it's not even like we fight against ourselves we just decide that we are going to not kill you guys yet because we think it's fun not to kill you guys when we can do it so easy because there are like a billion of us and we're just not killing you yet even though we totally could and we probably will really soon if you're not nice to us.

We do not fear you! Our civilization was vast when the Mon'Keigh were but apes swinging through the trees!

Oh well guess what we're even more ancient and powerful than you because if you're like a million years old we're like a million billion years old, and also we were like the first people to ever exist ever and then everyone came after us and by that time we already discovered all the technology and we were already the most powerful and our gods were even more powerful than the regular guys. And also the people who made you and were really old but not as old our gods who are the oldest got into a fight with us and even though they were so powerful our gods were even more powerful and we beat you guys in the fight and then you were all sad and then we were going to kill everybody but then we decided that instead we would just take a nap during the big fight because no one can even hurt so why would we even care.

Ah, you are religious too then? The four great gods of Chaos make mortals tremble before them. If they ever pierce the veil that separates them from this world they would wreak hell upon all of existence.

Oh yeah well you're so cool because you have four gods I don't even care because I also got four gods and do you know what they're even better than your ones. Your gods aren't even that great because they're all stuck in the warp but my gods aren't even stuck and they're all still right here and they always exist and they're a lot older than your gods and also they're like super powerful and they're not afraid of anyone and like one of them is so tricky that he can fool anyone and he has like "the tricker" or something because he can always trick you and you can't even do anything about it. And then the other one is like the most scary and he can always kill you and actually he looks just like death and is really scary and hes so scary that he scared everybody who ever lived and even when they weren't born yet they were scared by him being so scary so they will be scared when they are born. And like one of them is really so crazy that I can't even tell you about him because he's too crazy and it would make you crazy if I told you anything about him and then there's like another one and I don't know what he does yet.

That's pretty intimidating. However, we will overcome you with time; our technology is rapidly progressing, and soon we will know more than even the mighty Eldar!

Oh yeah well you know what we already know more then them and plus do you want to know something about the fourth god who I forgot what he does I just remembered and he's the god of technology, so if you think you got the best technology you don't even because we have a whole god of technology and he knows everything about it and he gave all the best technology ever to us and all the technology that the Imperium has is actually ours if it's really cool, and we can use our technology to do like magic even though it's not really magic but it's only because you can't even understand how advanced the technology is so don't even try you suck.

The Hive Fleet laughs at your puny forces; we are not only without number, but out fleets devour entire planets, and we can never be destroyed so long as we have more flesh to consume.

Oh yeah well you know what we can never be destroyed EVER and we don't even have to win fights even though we always win fights because we are so powerful and even if lose we would just TELEPORT away and you can never catch us and then we fix ourselves because are made of metal and then we can just teleport back and fight you and we can do that for a million billion years and even if we always lose we are still the same amount of strongness and so we always win eventually. And also you know what I don't even care if devour planets because our gods are so powerful that they don't even care about planets at all because they eat whole STARS and those are like twice the size of planets and they're made of fire and the gods don't even care because they're not even scared of fire and you know what you think you can eat people well you can't eat us because we're made out of metal ha ha how do you even eat metal you can't and you run away from us all the time because we're too powerful and made out of metal and we can just kill you and there's nothing you can do about it.

Sure, your infantry sounds good, but do you think you can stop the tanks of the Imperial Guard?

Oh yeah I can its easy and you know what I don't even any special weapons to kill tanks because like each one of my guys is as strong as a tank even though he's only the size of a regular guy and his gun is so powerful that it's like pew pew and the tank just disappears and it just turns into dust and I don't even care how big it is because my guys have the best lasers and they can kill everything and it's really easy and they can just kill all the tanks even if they're all land raiders and all I got is my normal guys. And also we have our own tank but it's not even like a regular tank it's a hundred times as big and it looks like a big mountain or something or maybe like a pyramid from TV or like a big hunk of rock except it's made out of solid metal and it's HUGE and it's way bigger than your tank and it also has no weakness so even if you're anywhere you can't hurt any easier than anywhere else, and you can't even hurt it anyway because it's so big and also it has a big crystal on top and it's really big an huge like from my Legos and and can shoot a GIANT LASER that's even bigger than a regular laser and then if it doesn't want to shoot a laser at one thing it can just shoot lasers ALL OVER THE PLACE and it doesn't need wheels because it can fly around and it can fly right out of the sky and land on you and it doesn't care because it's so big and strong and also it can be like zap zap and it can make my guys disappear and then appear again so all my guys can be everywhere and also even though my tank is a tank and you can't kill it with regular bullets it's a special tank, and all of the stuff that kills tanks can't kill it, and neither can regular bullets, and neither can the stuff that regularly kills tanks so you can't even stop it.

On planetside you may be dangerous, but that means little to the Imperial Navy!

Oh yeah well you know what the necrons are the most dangerous space ship guys in the whole galaxy and if you want to fight their space ships you can't even do it because they're so fast and they're all like neeeerow! neeeeerow! and then you can't shoot them because you can't even hit them because they're so fast and also they have force fields all over them and even if you hit them and you can't because they're too fast they have the force fields and also they have the lasers and the lasers can blow up ships like they blow up tanks and also do you know what else they never even have to be scared of the warp like your stupid ships because you know what they don't even need to use the warp because it's stupid and they know a lot of technology and they can just use the thing they use in Star Wars.

Oh yeah well... um... look at my spooky spikes! Aren't they scary looking, like they could poke you! Also, I like to do slavery and put needles in your wing wang, do you think you can be as scary as me?

Oh yeah I'm more scary than you lol you think spikes are scary and you think you're all so scary with your skulls well guess what my guys are robots but they're also SKELETONS FROM THE DEAD and they COME FROM THE DEAD and they are still metal so they're not like bones that you break lol but they're still like skeletons and also there's these guys and they have big fingernails and they scratch you until you die and also there are GHOSTS and they are really fast and you can't even stop them and it doesn't even matter how powerful your gun is because they're ghosts lol and you can't kill ghosts with a gun that's stupid and also you know what they are robot skeletons and also they hav NO SOULS and they have DAMNED SOULS inside of them and actually, some of them have NO SOULS and some of them have DAMNED SOULS and sometimes they get so scary that even if your'e really brave you have be scared anyways (and if you're already scared yo just stay scared lol) and also you know what the necrons gods like to eat souls and they also like to do slavery so they can have more slaves and then they eat the souls from the slaves but also from everyone and the robot skeletons are also really mad all the time and not RAGH! mad but just like really mad in their eyes and you don't even want to look in their eyes because they are so mad that all the parts of them that aren't mad are gone so now they're just mad and nothing else so you can't even be their friend or anything because they don't even want friends they just want to kill because they're so mad and they want to KILL EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME and that's the only thing they ever care about is to KILL EVERYBODY ALL THE TIME from being mad.

::EDIT:: OH GOD THE TEXT WALL


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 03:35:12


Post by: Grotzooka


I think this should be required reading for everybody in the whole world.
Even those that don't play.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 03:47:29


Post by: Iron_Chaos_Brute


I agree with Grotzooka.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 05:00:27


Post by: Solly


Orkeosaurus wrote:if you want to fight their space ships you can't even do it because they're so fast and they're all like neeeerow! neeeeerow!


Kinda like my ork shootas that go

Brilliant, just brilliant..


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 07:12:32


Post by: gothgar


Orkeosaurus


I almost died laughing

post of the year, easily


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 07:17:35


Post by: Emperors Faithful


It's their codex. I thought that they were supposed to be up themselves.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 07:24:39


Post by: ph34r


They have the tyranids beat an ENTIRE PLANET of iron warriors. That's a grand company, aka 1000 Iron Warriors. And over 600 defilers. And a planet COVERED IN FORTRESSES. Tyranids beat this.

Tyranids could not beat 100 ultramarines in an ice cave.

WHAT.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 07:26:23


Post by: Orkeosaurus


I'm happy people bothered to read my post at all!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 07:34:45


Post by: Emperors Faithful


@ph34r: lolwut? Is this in the nid dex? BTW, why is there a Defilier for every 2 Iron warriors?!?

@Orkeo: Care to make any other 'We Winz' codexes?

For the Emperor!

Wot? Orkses are da biggest an' da strongest!

METAL BAWKSES!

We shall fall upon you like wind and fire!

METAL BAWKSES!

NOMNOMNO-

METAL BAWKSES!

For the greater go-

METAL BAWKSES!

101001110001010101111000-

METAL BAWKSES!

Well we have tanks! They're sorta like-

METAL BAWKSES!

We are Legio-

METAL BAWKSES!



The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 07:39:57


Post by: Orkeosaurus


Gah, I'm all out of inspiration.

You've read Kyoto's summaries of the various multi-colored space marines, right?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 07:42:22


Post by: Emperors Faithful


Yes and they amuse me. (Well, I haven't read ALL of them...)


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 08:44:09


Post by: ph34r


Emperors Faithful wrote:@ph34r: lolwut? Is this in the nid dex? BTW, why is there a Defilier for every 2 Iron warriors?!?
UK White Dwarf 362, February 2010's WD.

Lexicanum describes it as:

Forgefane boasted some of the most formidable defenses ever seen; massive citadels and bastions covered the landscape; each protected by miles of trenches, mine fields and razorwire as well as void shields and vast quantities of ordinance. The planet also garrisoned an entire Grand Company of Iron Warriors; titans and Defilers.

The Fall of Forgefane

Forgefane's defenses were more than adequate to stop the initial Tyranid landings, with the defenses even stopping multiple assaults by Bio-Titans; Gargoyles and Harridans. It wasn't until the Hive Fleet launched attacks from beneath the fortress, using Trygons to tunnel into the fortresses that the fall truly began. These underground assaults broke supply lines and isolated defenses, even managing to annihilate over 600 Defilers in a couple of hours. Shortly after, the fortress World fell.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 10:10:37


Post by: DEATH89


Ok so by this logic the Ultra's 1st must be equal to a whole chapter plus 600 defilers and a company of titans

Someone at GW needs to think things through before publishing any old to get people to but the new army.

That is simply ridiculous. poor Iron Warriors, what have they done to deserve GW's hate


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 10:25:10


Post by: H.B.M.C.


DEATH89 wrote:That is simply ridiculous. poor Iron Warriors, what have they done to deserve GW's hate


Exactly. You'd've thought the current Chaos Codex was a big enough slap in the face to IW players. Now this!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 10:52:35


Post by: SagesStone


What if they painted their armour blue and put some horse shoes on their armour for luck?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 11:03:13


Post by: olympia


Well said OP. It's a fact that every codex seems to leave one wondering, "Well clearly this particular army is invincible so why haven't they conquered the universe?" Each subsequent codex has to top the previous one in claiming it's just a matter of time...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 11:06:50


Post by: DEATH89


Then they would be awesome again of course, blue paint and horseshoes? Blue's lucky for orks and horseshoes? Maybe thats why the Smurfs are GW's gloryboys, they're just that damned lucky, and the Nids can be blue (should they want) and maybe -having hooves- they may have a collection of horseshoes......

*runs off to go paint himself blue, steal horseshoes and spend life's savings on lottery tickets*


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 13:56:55


Post by: Vhalyar


Huh, are you new to Tyranids or is this just a knee-jerk from reading what others are saying? They've always done that, that's their thing: constantly evolving and improving. Since each and every creature is directly created by the Hive Mind you're surprised that even during the course of a single planetary assault they evolve?

And Calgar getting his ass kicked is not from this codex. All it did was give some more details on what happened and who did it.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 14:35:23


Post by: 40kenthusiast


I do like that even in their own new codex, Nids can't beat Necrons. They meet them twice in the codex, and lose both times.

During their invasion of the Tau, one of their tendrils is wiped out by Necrons coming out of the moon.

During Behemoth two of their Hive Fleet tendrils detour around a Necron world, run out of food and go dormant.

Necrons for Fluff Kings!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 14:51:52


Post by: A-P


DEATH89 wrote:Ok so by this logic the Ultra's 1st must be equal to a whole chapter plus 600 defilers and a company of titans

Someone at GW needs to think things through before publishing any old to get people to but the new army.

That is simply ridiculous. poor Iron Warriors, what have they done to deserve GW's hate


I agree with this statement. Its entirely reasonable that each Codex has some fluff from its own POV, but enough is enough. After a certain point self-aggrandizement becomes a farce. 600 Defilers in a few hours ? The Iron Warriors, arguable one of the best ( if not THE best ) siege specialists in the Galaxy did NOT take into account the possibility of tunnels? Seriously?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 21:06:47


Post by: Emperors Faithful


@ph34r: That was obviously a prostitution of the word 'fluff' in order to sell more Trygons.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 21:13:23


Post by: MIKEtheMERCILESS


Vhalyar wrote:Huh, are you new to Tyranids or is this just a knee-jerk from reading what others are saying? They've always done that, that's their thing: constantly evolving and improving. Since each and every creature is directly created by the Hive Mind you're surprised that even during the course of a single planetary assault they evolve?

And Calgar getting his ass kicked is not from this codex. All it did was give some more details on what happened and who did it.


Vhalyr, you're aware that the new details of the events in this Codex haven't actually been "discovered" since the 4th edition codex? The 4th edition summed up the defense of Maccrage as "Space Marines were very great at tactics and defence, but goddamn, there was so many of the angry buggars". The 5th edition summed up the defense of Maccrage as "Space Marines were very great at tactics and defense, but TYRANIDS ARE EVEN BETTER! p.s. there's also loads of angry buggars".

The point I've been making, is that up to now the success of the Tyranids could be summed up as "Despite the strengths of the various races, whether it be battlefield expertise, technology or other, the galaxy is under threat because the tyranid is a unyeilding and innumerous foe". But the 5th edition has now spun this around with "Despite the strengths of the various races, wether it be battleifeld expertise, technology, or other, well bucko, the Tyranids can do it better! And they're an unyeilding and innumerous foe!"

40k has always had a delicate balance between the races where each one had strengths and weaknesses, all dancing about in a vunerable yet aparrent stalemate; however, the great thing about the fluff for each race was that each one was in a postition were it was plausable that they could actually, eventually come out on top - hell, threads about "who would eventually conquer the galaxy" could go on for pages of debates, and that was the beauty of it. But now the new Tyranid codex has pretty much done away with this with nothing short of an intervention from a Dallas script writer preventing the outcome of this debate being unquestionable. All over the evolutionary equilivant of "a wizard did it".

@Orkeosaurus: Very true, the Necron codex could be considered the original "Oh Yeah?" codex! But the big difference is that at least the author was sensible enough to imply the threat to the galaxy as a "What if it's true?" scenario - i.e. "what if there IS a C'Tan on Mars??". If the Tyranid author had written it, there would have been a 2 page description of how mars had transformed into friggin Unicron or something.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 21:19:59


Post by: Gorechild


the OP is completely right.
at least until the next codex comes out, because BA's are going to make everyone else seem rubbish, at least until the next codex comes out, then they will make everyone else seem crap, until the next codex comes out. You see where I'm going with this


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 21:30:12


Post by: Crazy_Carnifex


ph34r wrote:They have the tyranids beat an ENTIRE PLANET of iron warriors. That's a grand company, aka 1000 Iron Warriors. And over 600 defilers. And a planet COVERED IN FORTRESSES. Tyranids beat this.

Tyranids could not beat 100 ultramarines in an ice cave.

WHAT.


The Best excuse I can come up with for that is that The Smurfs fougt Behemoth, while the Iron warriors fought the much more highly evolved Leviathan. i didn't say it was a good excuse.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/04 21:40:18


Post by: Emperors Faithful


MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:
@Orkeosaurus: Very true, the Necron codex could be considered the original "Oh Yeah?" codex! But the big difference is that at least the author was sensible enough to imply the threat to the galaxy as a "What if it's true?" scenario - i.e. "what if there IS a C'Tan on Mars??". If the Tyranid author had written it, there would have been a 2 page description of how mars had transformed into friggin Unicron or something.


Despite the sheer awesomeness of a possible 40k Unicron, I have to admit you're right there. Things of such import should always be alluded to. There should be predictions on how vast and adaptable the 'Nid codex is, not confirmation that every race must unite or we're all doomed.

Gorechild wrote:the OP is completely right.
at least until the next codex comes out, because BA's are going to make everyone else seem rubbish, at least until the next codex comes out, then they will make everyone else seem crap, until the next codex comes out. You see where I'm going with this


Of course! It all makes sense now!






The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/06 08:22:26


Post by: Shaman


Op and orkz posts are gold.

Tyranids and Necrons compensate for their complete lack of personality by being the greatest and most dangerous forces in the galaxy EVAR.

They kill their enemies with boredom.

0101000110101

omnomnom






The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/06 08:48:06


Post by: Lysenis


I cant stop laughing. . . to many funny posts. . . read all of . . .. *nearly dies of laughter*


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/06 09:56:54


Post by: fenris wolff


Nids , so many nids we can never hold the line. Wait whats that , is it, it is NECRONS !!!!!!! Run ,run theirs to many of them we are all doomed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I play IG, my wife Necrons , my buddy plays Nids so I get overwelmed at the very least every other week and it dose not matter what I change from game to game I just get over run and I thought that was my thing. So I know first hand the paine it's not just fluff.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/06 11:15:31


Post by: Raxmei


Crazy_Carnifex wrote:The Best excuse I can come up with for that is that The Smurfs fougt Behemoth, while the Iron warriors fought the much more highly evolved Leviathan. i didn't say it was a good excuse.
Another possible reason is that the Macragge PDF or Legio Praetor were more numerous or better quality than their counterparts fighting alongside the Iron Warriors. Ultramar is known to produce excellent Guard regiments and those troops are known to have taken part in the battle. A couple million well-trained and equipped guardsmen complete with tanks might make more difference than a thousand marines. The fleet in orbit loosing multi-megaton bombardment on the Tyranid swarms might also have contributed to the Ultramarine victory.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/06 11:22:29


Post by: Emperors Faithful


Do you know who the Iron Warriors are?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/06 11:41:33


Post by: Kilkrazy


I didn't bother reading most of the fluff. It's schlock written to enthuse teenage boys about the latest army release.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/08 09:58:03


Post by: Morgrim


I thought the rule of thumb with nids was that if you couldn't beat them in space, you were doomed on the ground. The ones of the ground are just holding them back from the valuable stuff until the space fleet is successful.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/08 10:00:28


Post by: Emperors Faithful


Ussually if you can't beat a race in space (rhyme = win ) then you're pretty much screwed anyway.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/08 22:11:03


Post by: nintendoeats


Kilkrazy wrote:I didn't bother reading most of the fluff. It's schlock written to enthuse teenage boys about the latest army release.
Except da orks.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 04:37:34


Post by: Ratbarf


Ussually if you can't beat a race in space (rhyme = win ) then you're pretty much screwed anyway.


Pretty much, if you lose the gravity well of you planet you lose the advantage of maneuverability as well as the ability to operate above ground and very likely beneath it too. Once a force has command of the gravity well, as in they can orbit wherever they damn well feel like, the defending planet just loses right there.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 04:57:59


Post by: WarmasterScott


Every codex talks big game, no one is going to buy a codex of failures. I mean come one no one buys dark eldar etc anymore..


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 05:50:54


Post by: Luke_Prowler


WarmasterScott wrote:Every codex talks big game, no one is going to buy a codex of failures. I mean come one no one buys dark eldar etc anymore..

Then why do people play Tau?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 06:05:34


Post by: The_0perator


600 Defilers....Tyranids destroyed 600 defilers...and 1000 Iron warriors... And I really thought GW hit their highpoint with crazy outlandish claimes of bad assery in codex's with Calgar uppercutting an Avatar...

by the time the BA codex gets released im sure there will be a story about Dante falcon punching the eye of terror and ending the threat of chaos entirely...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 06:50:51


Post by: Kroot Loops


I'm just waiting for Aun'va to throw off his space pope hat and shoot the hive mind with a railgun, From across the galaxy, before heading into the Warp and trading in his floating seat for the skull throne after pummeling Khorne into submission with his honor blade


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 07:34:40


Post by: Emperors Faithful


The_0perator wrote:...by the time the BA codex gets released im sure there will be a story about Dante falcon punching the eye of terror and ending the threat of chaos entirely...


Damn straight he could! If he was in a Dreadnought maybe...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 07:45:25


Post by: The_0perator


Arguably, but knowing GW's track record he'd probably do it without his power armor, after it was stolen by some demon. so the entire story would circle around Dante's quest to reclaim his armor from said demon, and would eventually end with the closing of the eye of terror. seriously though 600 defilers... Had the fluff said they smoked some fortress with 200 Iron Warriors and 30-50 defilers... and there were massive tyranid casualties. thats one thing... a thousand marines, that fought through the Great Crusade, the Horus Heresy, and then escaped the aftermath of the heresy... got stomped by trygons. If ultramarine termies held them off... there is no way in hell thats possible... Somewhere in England their is a Grot writing fluff for GW.

I dont care about their genetic adaptablity garbage, if they can smoke 1000 marines, and defilers....what the hell are the squishier armies in the galaxy going to do.

Edited so I could extend my rant..... Tyranids eat Biomass... do you have any concept of how powerfull a hive fleet that consumed 1000 Marines would be... Thats a hell of a lot of Gene Seed people...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 08:31:08


Post by: Kurgash


Also it said in less than a week they conquered the Iron Warrior world....a week? That is how long a whole planet of IW's lasted. Holy feth GW is just pissing oil on the flames.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 08:43:19


Post by: KOS


poor IW... but the most terrible thing is that they've been beaten because the Tyranids attacked from the backway.

Wait... backway ? FROM THE BACK ? Jesus Christ, IW were the best for siege warfare, they've blocked the Imperial Fists for months in the Iron Cage and they leave their back unprotected ?

This is utterly ridicoulous.... 2 hours to destroy 600 defilers!? With what ? Hordes of termagants ?



The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 08:52:56


Post by: The_0perator


At least I'm not alone on this one...cause...damn...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 09:32:57


Post by: Backfire


WarmasterScott wrote:Every codex talks big game, no one is going to buy a codex of failures.


Of course every codex tries to present the subject race/army as the meanest ever. If you read Tau codex, you find out that Orks were a minor nuisance for them and they swept them off like nothing. If you read the Ork codex, you learn that Ork Waaagh! captured multiple sept worlds and pushed the Tau empire to brink of collapse...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 10:24:50


Post by: Emperors Faithful


Right now I'm just imagining the GW writers smoking pot. Suddenly one stands up and says doppily: "Hey guys, you know what would be cool? If the nids ate like, I dunno, 600 defiliers in, likem 2 hours!"


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 10:53:23


Post by: The_0perator


Just be happy thats all they came up with....could of been worse... Like the Nightbringer was consumed by a trygon, Harpies captured the Imperial Palace on Terra, or the God Emperor is really the hive mind and we have all been had...Seriously it just seems that they've lost site of the fluff, and are trying to force feed us stories of every army overcoming crazy odds. Dude its ok to lose... not everyone can punch an Avatar, jeez!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 19:44:55


Post by: Solly


Emperors Faithful wrote:Right now I'm just imagining the GW writers smoking pot. Suddenly one stands up and says doppily: "Hey guys, you know what would be cool? If the nids ate like, I dunno, 600 defiliers in, likem 2 hours!"


Then the other guy suddenly wakes from his drug induced stipor and says:

"What!!!! That'd never happen, not to the IW, sure they're the best in the entire galaxy.."

The next day he got sacked and they printed the story anyway..

EDIT: Didn't that same thing with the coming from below happen to the IW in an Ultramrines novel???
Ah yes: Dead Sky, Black Sun or something..


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 19:47:54


Post by: ph34r


Yeah, and Rogal Dorn beat his way out of an Iron Warriors fortress/prison, and managed to escape off world, without his armor.

What.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 19:49:00


Post by: nintendoeats


Wazdakka could never take out a titan in a real game.

Just for the record.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 20:42:33


Post by: asugradinwa


MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:
@Orkeosaurus: Very true, the Necron codex could be considered the original "Oh Yeah?" codex! But the big difference is that at least the author was sensible enough to imply the threat to the galaxy as a "What if it's true?" scenario - i.e. "what if there IS a C'Tan on Mars??". If the Tyranid author had written it, there would have been a 2 page description of how mars had transformed into friggin Unicron or something.


Maybe the C'Tan on Mars could get Abbadon to become his servent before the C'Tan gets blown up by the Holy light of the Terra which was passed from Marneus Calgar to Cato Sicarius upon his death bed. That would make some GREAT fluff!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 21:33:01


Post by: ph34r


nintendoeats wrote:Wazdakka could never take out a titan in a real game.

Just for the record.
Naw, that story is believable to me. It's like a guardsman pulling an epic ambush and killing a terminator.
However, Iron Warriors getting massacred by the thousands by a foe that the ULTRAMAHREENZ defeated with 10% the marines and 1% the defenses in "hours" is just amazingly stupid. It seems like if GW wants chaos to get super-hard owned, they just pick Iron Warriors. Hell, look at the 4e chaos codex.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 21:40:47


Post by: Klueless


I started reading the Tyranid codex front to back yesterday. I'm about half way though. I agree with what has been said about the 'kids arguing' factor. But also, has anyone noticed the amount of mistakes in the codex?
There seems to be a definite amount of if's, it's, &'s & buts missing in general places.
In some cases I have had to read sentences twice to make sure my brain hasn't lapsed.
What with all the mini arguments going on about the rules etc, I think that the GW will have to release an FAQ fairly sharpish.
That's my 2c.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 21:43:41


Post by: combatmedic


This thread wins one free internet.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 21:49:30


Post by: Klueless


Does that mean you will pay my internet bills for a month?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 21:59:17


Post by: Emperors Faithful


Solly wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:Right now I'm just imagining the GW writers smoking pot. Suddenly one stands up and says doppily: "Hey guys, you know what would be cool? If the nids ate like, I dunno, 600 defiliers in, like, 2 hours!"

Then the other guy suddenly wakes from his drug induced stipor and says:
"What!!!! That'd never happen, not to the IW, sure they're the best in the entire galaxy.."
The next day he got sacked and they printed the story anyway..


Yay, new sig.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/09 23:51:51


Post by: minigun762


Orkeosaurus wrote:
::EDIT:: OH GOD THE TEXT WALL


Well done good sir. The world of 40k summed up nicely.

To the OP, I have to agree. The IG and SW codex didn't have the same flavor of "we are the winner!" as the bugs did. Sure the SW focus on SW victories and awesomeness but there is a big difference between the level applies to those and the Tyranid codex.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/10 14:23:34


Post by: Solly


If we are honest about it then GWs biggest demograph is boys aged 10-14 and these kids
suck all that crappy fluff up like it's a sugar flavored sugar based liquid..

Us more mature players have to contend with the crap they bring out purely because we know, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN!!
IW wouldn't get beat and the fluff in the codex is just the hive mind pretending that it's stronger than it really is!!

Don't believe it citizens of the warp.. It's is all lies, your Lord Khorne demands it or your skull..


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/10 14:53:22


Post by: Frazzled


MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:Now, I really like the fluff of the codicies- I normally thoroughly enjoy reading through each one to really get a flavour for the character of the race, and just generally find it fasinating reading about them in the 40k universe. However, this codex, quite frankly, had me cringing. I'm not saying it wasn't well written, or didn't make sence - the best way to describe my thoughts on it would be to give the analogy of the kid on the playground who, when he gets "shot" by his friend during a game of Cowboys and Indians, informs everyone that he is impervious to bullets as he is "wearing Class IV Wizard Armour". Lets see what I mean...

Tyranid : Hey guys, did I mention how we're the best? I mean there's gazallions of us!!
Marine : Yeah, that's true - but common, we're Gods of War... we're really awesome at battlefield tactics, so at least we can outsmart you!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we have this dude which is a TACTICAL GENIOUS and is better than even your smartest man and I'll even write a story about how he outsmarted him and than kicked his ass!
Eldar : Right, but look at us, I mean, common - we're a race of ninjas!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we have this dude which eats your souls of your craftworld and then becomes a SUPER SAIN PSYCHIC NINJA and kills everyone in your craftworld and eats their souls so they're extra dead!
Orks : Whatever, we can handle you - we're pretty numerous too ya know, plus we have spores and stuff to multiply right then and there - you need to devour a plannet to get your numbers back!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we only need a few dudes on a planet and we make these secret spawning pool thingies so can multiply even FASTER, and we're smarter and have loads of assasins to take out your big bosses!
IG : Yeah yeah, I know, you're tougher than us, blah blah blah - but at least we have warp travel, you take AGES to go from plannet to planet, at least we have plenty of time to get our fleets ready and bolster our defenses...
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we have this space pod dude which like uses gravity and magic and pulls our fleet towards your planet REALLY REALLY fast, and it also causes loads of earthquakes on the planet we're after!
Tau : What about us? Ok, we're small - but even our basic troops have awsome guns and we adapt really fast!
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... our dudes adapt even faster! And we can evolve magic armour that makes us invinsible to your awesome weapons, and can go invisible!
Dark Eldar What about us?
Tyranid : lol no.

I honestly believe the only reason there isn't anything in the fluff that mentions Tyranids eating Necron metal and the Shadow in the Warp blocking Chaos from their gods was because they ran out of room. Anyone else feel the same way?

You have an excellent point. I grow weary of the every race if gloom and doom uber killy. This codex reaches beyond even the Necron codex. In essence nothing can stop us, we have no weaknesses. Its like GW quit looking for rules weaknesses and focused on fluff weaknesses in the Nids.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/10 15:00:52


Post by: chaplaingrabthar




^ - Secretly a Lictor?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/10 20:04:16


Post by: Little lord Fauntleroy


MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:
Tyranid : Oh yeah? Well... we have this dude which eats your souls of your craftworld and then becomes a SUPER SAIN PSYCHIC NINJA and kills everyone in your craftworld and eats their souls so they're extra dead!


This is a little OT, but I just got a very disturbing image of an anime Zoanthrope with grossly disproportionate body parts in mid jump wearing a bandana and Gundam stye armour, with white cartoony stars, and the words "Mega Super Sian Battle nid power up" being said alongside it.

I'm not mad in the slightest *Twitches*....


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/10 20:21:00


Post by: A-P


Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:I'm not mad in the slightest *Twitches*....


There are two gentlemen in white coats at the door asking for you. Two very BIG gentlemen...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/10 23:30:58


Post by: sniperjolly


To be fair, the nid beats Marneus story is a hold over from the days of RT, back when Ultrasmurfs had a flaw. This flaw was hubris. MC basically ran up to hive fleet behemoth and said "We're the Ultra Marines biznich! Prepare to die! LEEROY JENKINS!!!" and chages the hive fleet by himself. The galaxy facepalmed and the smurfs were decimated.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/11 00:16:46


Post by: Ketara


sniperjolly wrote:To be fair, the nid beats Marneus story is a hold over from the days of RT, back when Ultrasmurfs had a flaw. This flaw was hubris. MC basically ran up to hive fleet behemoth and said "We're the Ultra Marines biznich! Prepare to die! LEEROY JENKINS!!!" and chages the hive fleet by himself. The galaxy facepalmed and the smurfs were decimated.


Godammit. God damn you Leroy.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/11 00:36:05


Post by: Schepp himself


@op: So very true!

The Tyranid codex seems to lose it in the final stages of unit description. A Mawloc can "feel" the heartbeat of a man on the surface. Suuuure. And if a tank happens to drive by, the little ears of the mawloc sadly fall off... Zoanthropes combining their brainpower (cue image of a group of zoanthropes in suits with wine and cigars in chairs around a fireplace) would come up with terrible, terrible ideas. Suuuure, the Hive mind itself is too dumb for that.

Greets
Schepp himself


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/11 00:44:55


Post by: Orkeosaurus


Schepp himself wrote:Zoanthropes combining their brainpower (cue image of a group of zoanthropes in suits with wine and cigars in chairs around a fireplace) would come up with terrible, terrible ideas.
So they're the ones that came up with Pyrovores?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/11 03:21:30


Post by: Amplified


ph34r wrote:
Lexicanum describes it as:

Forgefane boasted some of the most formidable defenses ever seen; massive citadels and bastions covered the landscape; each protected by miles of trenches, mine fields and razorwire as well as void shields and vast quantities of ordinance. The planet also garrisoned an entire Grand Company of Iron Warriors; titans and Defilers.

The Fall of Forgefane

Forgefane's defenses were more than adequate to stop the initial Tyranid landings, with the defenses even stopping multiple assaults by Bio-Titans; Gargoyles and Harridans. It wasn't until the Hive Fleet launched attacks from beneath the fortress, using Trygons to tunnel into the fortresses that the fall truly began. These underground assaults broke supply lines and isolated defenses, even managing to annihilate over 600 Defilers in a couple of hours. Shortly after, the fortress World fell.


Is the entire fluff writing and editorial staff at GW high?

A couple of borrowing Trygons destroyed 600 Defilers in a couple of hours?! They disrupted and isolated a Great Company of the most single most experienced, disciplined, cohesive Chaos Legion, FAMED for their speciality at siege warfare, by BURROWING A COUPLE OF TRYGONS INTO THEIR FORTRESSES?! WHICH DIDN'T THEN IMMEDIATELY DIE FROM BEING CHARGED BY 600 DEFILERS WHO GET 3200 ATTACKS ON THE CHARGE?!?!?!

Are you insanne?

I can't believe the GW writing staff managed to produce something more nerdrage inducing than Calgar one-punching an Avatar...







The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/11 04:30:12


Post by: sebster


MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:40k has always had a delicate balance between the races where each one had strengths and weaknesses


It the what now?

The 40K codex fluff I've read has been about the completely, ridiculously awesome army in this codex trashing whoever is unfortunate enough to not be the star of this codex. 40K as a whole is really just about who's more awesome than everyone else, and with each new codex the answer flips to the new guy.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/11 04:32:16


Post by: nintendoeats


I would put to you that the Orks only THOUGHT that they were more awesome...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/11 04:55:19


Post by: Grotzooka


@Amplified: Not a "couple" Trygons. loads of Trygons. They just kept pumping 'em out, as long as they needed to, because they can do that. The actual article says "thousands and thousands".

As for the IW not covering their bottom...
Who in their right mind digs into a fortress full of Chaos Space Marines? Heck, most the time it wasn't effective even in the real world.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/11 06:34:52


Post by: sebster


nintendoeats wrote:I would put to you that the Orks only THOUGHT that they were more awesome...


But that codex still contained stories full of characters who were so totally awesome they totally killed this massive big bad guy in a totally awesome way. I can't remember a codex that didn't include the same.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/11 10:44:02


Post by: Edorian


First, @ MiketheMerciless: Sir, I salute you! I shed tears laughing Great idea, could you do more of that?

Second: I think, and it might just be me here but, about the only army that doesn't get all the ub4r fluff crimes is the Imperial Guard.
These are basically the princess in distress, ready to be saved by the SpezzMarinnzzzz from whatever the lazy minds of GW came up with. On one hand, every army deserves some story showing they're not completely garbagge. On the other hand: GW please, please pretty please with sprinkles, don't write stuff like little Timmy would after hearing his army was good and has some named characters... Really, it's like bad fanfiction (redundant, I know).


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/11 23:26:05


Post by: Fexor


Amplified wrote:
ph34r wrote:
Lexicanum describes it as:

Forgefane boasted some of the most formidable defenses ever seen; massive citadels and bastions covered the landscape; each protected by miles of trenches, mine fields and razorwire as well as void shields and vast quantities of ordinance. The planet also garrisoned an entire Grand Company of Iron Warriors; titans and Defilers.

The Fall of Forgefane

Forgefane's defenses were more than adequate to stop the initial Tyranid landings, with the defenses even stopping multiple assaults by Bio-Titans; Gargoyles and Harridans. It wasn't until the Hive Fleet launched attacks from beneath the fortress, using Trygons to tunnel into the fortresses that the fall truly began. These underground assaults broke supply lines and isolated defenses, even managing to annihilate over 600 Defilers in a couple of hours. Shortly after, the fortress World fell.


Is the entire fluff writing and editorial staff at GW high?

A couple of borrowing Trygons destroyed 600 Defilers in a couple of hours?! They disrupted and isolated a Great Company of the most single most experienced, disciplined, cohesive Chaos Legion, FAMED for their speciality at siege warfare, by BURROWING A COUPLE OF TRYGONS INTO THEIR FORTRESSES?! WHICH DIDN'T THEN IMMEDIATELY DIE FROM BEING CHARGED BY 600 DEFILERS WHO GET 3200 ATTACKS ON THE CHARGE?!?!?!

Are you insanne?

I can't believe the GW writing staff managed to produce something more nerdrage inducing than Calgar one-punching an Avatar...


I really don't mean to step on anyone's toes, but I feel this has gotten a little out of focus. What I mean is a Trygon if it were able to be played like a Mawloc like the fluff suggests, it can emerge and submerge at will. And considering they're a massive monstrous creature, wouldn't you think that the tunnels they make would be just as large? And if they're Trygon Primes, being able to act outside of the Hive Mind's will with sentient thought, then why wouldn't they tunnel under-neathe the unsuspecting battalions of tanks and marines and sink them into massive sink holes? And if during the confusion of watching other marines and tanks just sink into pits could they not pop up and start finishing the rest of the legions? Doing hit and run style tactics, popping up taking a few out and then submerging again. Not to mention if they co-ordinated their attacks together so that they all came out at once and not one at a time, wouldn't that just be devastating.? Granted the recounting of the story in the Codex isn't really clear nor detailed in how they were destroyed. But honestly, if they were primes and used the slightest amount of tactics and can actually do what the fluff says they can, I don't doubt a night raid of trygons taking out a bastion of troops isn't out of the question. Not to mention, you're assuming the Hive Mind would stop dropping other stuff on planet for the defenders to deal with, you think they just dropped the trygons and stopped? How, un-Tyranid way to think, imo. But like I said the text isn't all furth coming with all information or detail.

So if they're only up for a mere matter of seconds how do you charge that? Can't charge a submerged target.

Yes, I know there aren't rules for the game that say a they (Tyranids) can entrench a tank or unit in a tunnel made by the Trygon/Mawloc. But that would be quite hard to rule write without something getting complicated/convoluded. But if you take it in a fluff stand point, I could totally see them using that as a tactic.

What I'm trying to point out is there are alot of tactics/ideas/strategies that can be done in fluff that just doesn't transfer to the table top game either very well or at all. Entrenching troops/vehicles in underground tunnels is one of them, I'm sure there are countless others that many could point out.

Anyways, just my thoughts.

Peace~


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/12 04:54:14


Post by: sniperjolly


So baisically the 'nids won by outnumbering the IWs 4-1with trygons. I'll buy that.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/12 09:21:01


Post by: H.B.M.C.


Orkeosaurus wrote:So they're the ones that came up with Pyrovores?


That explains it! Robbin Cruddance is a Zoanthrope!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/12 11:30:28


Post by: Schepp himself


H.B.M.C. wrote:
Orkeosaurus wrote:So they're the ones that came up with Pyrovores?


That explains it! Robbin Cruddance is a Zoanthrope!


Maybe. That at least explains how he is able to design a more or less balanced codex without any playtesting (let's be honest here, Gw don't), what would then make pyrovores some kind of perils of the warp attack...

Greets
Schepp himself


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/12 22:49:03


Post by: Archimus


Thats funy. Everyone seem impressed by the Tyrranids potential revealed in the new codex, but i got the exact opposite feeling. I found the new codex revealing a lot of Tyrranids weaknesses, and how they are incredibly inneficient.

See, im a biochemist, and i am taken deeply by WH40K fluff. I spent a lot of time thinking about how the Tyrranids could potentially work. And as long as you are willing to get over a few rules of biology and accept a bit of the fluff, allright, it could make sece. I am fighting very hard against myself right now not to post a wall of text on Tyrranids Biomass economy

But even tho GW DOES tend to give that ''we are the best'' feeling in every Codex, the defeat of an entire company of Iron Warriors and 600 defilers make complete sence to me. It is an unsung battle, that was described pretty poorly in the Codex, but no doubt the result could not have been different. I think you are takingthings out of perspective:

1- Tyrranids have NEVER been beaten on the ground. Not with their fleet orbiting the planet. Nobody even came CLOSE. Usually, the invasion escalate from little soft things (like gaunts) to big things (like Carifexes and Titans) relativly slowly, so it always go well at first. I explain this by the principle that big Tyrranids creatures must be made of extremly dense armor and living structure. Those are not only extremly expansive to create (in wasted energy), but they are so stable that an even greater amount of energy must be spent to break it apart and reabsorb them. Basically, a gaunt corpse or a living gaunt get reabsorbed the same way at the end of an invasion, so they are completly expandable. A BioTitan is pretty much a lost expense, even if it survive. From memory, the only other time that a planet was able to hold out untill the bio titans came out en masse was Gryfonne IV, and they swiflty got overrun at that point. In comparison, the Iron Warriors held not only up to the escalation to Bio-Titans, but got past that without breaking a sweat. And even with their forteresses lost, they werent overrun untill they ran out of supplies. That seem pretty impressive to me.

2- Ultramarines did NOT beat the ground Tyrranids invasion. They didnt even FACE a full scale Tyrranids invasion.

First of, Calgar was warned months, perhaps even YEARS of the impending tyrranid attack by inquisitor Kryptman. And he used that time to assemble the biggest defensive force possible. You dont hear much about their role as Adeptus Astartes are as skilled in grabbing credit as in fighting, but there was most of Ultima Segmentum Fleet defending the planet, AND all of the ultramarines battle barges and cruisers, as well as the planetary defence force fleet, the space battle stations, every merchant ship that could be fitted with a weapon and no doubt (judging from the time he had to pepare), other space marines chapters. On top of that, he also requisitionned the help of Segmentum Tempestus Battlefleet! Judging from the distance that sepparate Maccrage from Bakka, it must have taken them 3 month just to make the trip. Thats almost 30% of the complete imperial fleet right there, its probably as much as what was sent to Cadia to counter Abbadon and the chaos from ALL origins.

The battle for Maccrage was in space, and it is in space that they were defeated. Landing on the planet were only the spores that got past the friendly fleet in orbit, wich is not most of them, and they were unsupported as the Tyrranid fleet was in combat. To face them was not ''100 Ultramarines in a cave'', it was the whole chapter and, judging from the ''but not eough to support the auxilliairies wich made up most of his force'' passage, i'd say it mean that there was a trashload of imperial guards defending the place, with superheavies and everything. Even then, they lost. They only had to fight off the scraps that fell from the space battle waves and they had months of warning, the full chapters and a trashload of IG to support and not only did they fail to repel the invaders but they didnt even hold out long enough for the space battle to conclude, exeption made of a handfull of survivors in the south pole.

No doubt that the Iron Warriors, full company or not, could not hope to win against the same odds taken by surprise, with no space support whatsoever and no renforcements. Even then, they fared better.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/13 07:58:13


Post by: Emperors Faithful


You make a good point, and it WOULD be ridiculous to claim to defeat an entire hive fleet on the ground, but even you have to admit this was a shameless use of fluff to promote Trygons in an attempt to sell more. If it wasn't written so flippantly, then I might not be so ready to regard it as the equivalent of bad fan-fiction.

All that aside...600 defilers? 600?!? C'mon, the logistics of that alone are non-sensical. This warmachines are supposed to be at least relatively rare. But in this case we have more than 1 for every 2 IW foot soldiers.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/13 12:46:54


Post by: Kilkrazy


The whole concept of the Tyranids makes no logical sense unless they are a deliberately engineered bio terror weapon for use against interstellar empires and they have gone out of control.

Acquiring biomass is easy. Space is full of organic compounds which can be scooped up for free and reprocessed into any conceivable biologically necessary molecule. It's much easier to do this than land on planets, convert biomass to gruel and shoot it back up into orbit.

Tyranids don't need to harvest genes from target species. It's a stupid idea for two reasons: (1) it wouldn't work as the genes would usually be incompatible with Tyranid genes, (2) they are masters of genetic engineering and can design their own new genes easily enough.

If you want to eliminate an enemy planet, and you are in space and have a fantastic command of genetic engineering, you would simply engineer a virus which turns all life on the planet into slurry, and drop it into the atmosphere.

As you can see, the whole idea of invading a planet and eating its inhabitants with horrific monsters only makes any sense if you want to spread terror among an interstellar population.

Since the Tyranids came from a different galaxy, the obvious conclusion is that someone in the other galaxy created them as a weapon, they got out of control and eliminated all life in the first galaxy then emigrated to ours.



The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/13 13:55:38


Post by: Dashofpepper


Ah...this was a fun thread to read.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/13 14:56:19


Post by: nintendoeats


@Kilkrazy: Presumeably the ability to fly through space came late in the Nids evolution. This means that for billions of years they had to feed their cycle through eating everything they encountered. They simply lucked out and developed space flight before they consumed all of the resources on their planet.

So eating everything is their natural way of consuming biomass, and their current strategy could be a hangover fromt hat.

Now how the Nids could have evolved at first is another story...I mean, they do seem specificly designed for weaponisation. Hmm, I would be more intrigued if it weren't fiction.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/13 16:41:05


Post by: Archimus


The thing is, the Nids behave pretty much like a crack addict in search of his next fix. In doing so, they ignore the most stable and efficient energy source around, in favor of a ridiculously agressive and non-sustainable approach that rely solely on their capacity to find and conquer new planets. They would probably have gone extinct, would it not be for their great abilities to conquer said planets. Wich make me think also that there is some bio engineering behind that, but it COULD have evolved naturally, its not impossible. :(

There is two things Nids need to live. And they both get it trough Biomass. First is Biomaterials. Carbon, Water, Calcium, basic building bricks. This is easy to obtain, and it can be recycled, but still they limit themselves by ignoring metal and dense materials.

The second is energy, and that one is much harder to get. Normally, the biggest sustainable source of energy for everyone is the sun. Fields of Crops and Plankton act pretty much as solar pannels, gathering the sun energy and storing it under a form that herbivores and carnivores can consume. But even if we eat them, the seeds remain so they can grow back. Even the Orks use the sun energy, they can do photosynthesis. The Nids, however, dont do any of that. They dont even create biomass themselves. They just arrive, eat the crops, eat the seeds, take the earth and the water needed for them to grow again and transform the planet in a barren rock.

That may give them a big boost of energy, but its a non sustainable, one shot thing.

And then, they have to spend a lot of that energy to move those trillions of tons of materials across space. Their interstellar travel may be efficient-ish, but regular propulsion cost a lot, based on weight. And carrying all your building materials, your factories, your ground troops, pretty much your whole race in space is costly.

Eventually, the size of the Tyrranid race is going to ''cap''. This will happen when the combined cost of moving your mass (of the whole specie) to a new galaxy, moving trough it and conquering it eguals the energy you collect from eating all the biomass of said galaxy. This may aldredy have happened, who knows how many Galaxies were attacked by the Tyrannids before. I did the calculation for fun (with a large bonus to the Tyranids for their supernatural efficient abilities found in the fluff), and i got to (very approximatly) between 1 000 000 (at best) and 1000 (at worst) Hive Fleets the size of Hive Fleet Behemoth.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/13 16:51:41


Post by: nintendoeats


So eventually we will wind up with a massive fleet of Nids just kind of floating in space, trapped by a completely foreseeable flaw in their very method of existence?

ORK ROK STRIKE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/13 19:06:41


Post by: DevianID


Archimus I really enjoyed your posts!

Although, the nids do take more than biomass, in the form of the entire atmosphere (usuable or not) and anything on the ground that can be moved by normal means (including presumably numerous elements/compounds both useless and potentially dangerous). Surely they waste what they dont need, but how much energy is wasted by not cracking open a planet (which they can do, but at an unknown expense) to suck out the molten chewy core of presumably iron? The earths core contains plenty of energy, but its not usable I would think other than as a heat source.

And yeah, I agree the 'nids evolved a bit too big to be ultimately successful in the LONG run, as they dont practice sustainable methods and are stuck as hunter/gathers instead of farmers.

However the C'tan, supposed masters of the physical world, have the same flaw. They eat stars to survive. In the LONG run, they will run out of stars to sustain themselves. Both the C'tan and the 'nids suffer from the same LONG LONG term flaw. However, the same can be said for any species, thanks to entropy. Given enough time, supposedly any system will lose too much energy. The only difference between them is the speed and efficiency of the system. I would rate C'tan and Nids as very fast, but less efficient systems. Humans and other 'regular' creatures I would rate as slow but more efficient. Orks, as the only creature with built in population control, are probably the most efficient creatures in the galaxy, though they are not very quick.

The only other factor in all of this is the Warp. I dont know enough about the fluff if the warp is infinite, or depends on real world emotions to sustain itself. If, after all life in the entire universe was extinguished, would intelligent beings still thrive in the warp? Anyone know the hard info on the Long, LONG term stability of the warp beings (not just the chaos gods)?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/13 19:39:17


Post by: Dronze


Actually, upon mention of the warp, I had a thought:

Tyranid DO interact with the warp, yes? If so, then any calculations that deal with time in transit are going to be inherantly flawed, as time in transit will be fluid and inconsistant. Furthermore, the bugs have rippers: the Tyranid equivelent to the hive's stomach. Tyranids don't have to break down everything, they just have to break down the rippers, the RIPPERS have to break down the other bugs, and if the rippers, themselves, are moderately squishy, it shouldn't take quite so much energy.

Are tyranids inefficient? Any tertiary predator is. Are they more inefficient than they would need to be for an interstellar, nomadic insect colony? Not so much...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/13 19:52:12


Post by: DevianID


As for 'nids being as efficient as a nomadic insect colony, im not sure. The same species of insect will fight itself as it reproduces and branches out its colonies, and only the strongest colonies will survive, which serves to keep the population down and at the same time ensure the survival of the fittest.

However, as far as I know, the various nid fleets dont compete with each other, straight out killing weak hive fleets to keep the overall population down--they instead reproduce with reckless abandon. Hence, nids dont have a built in population control like most insects do, making them less efficient for long term survival but much faster at short term survival. An effective tradeoff if you ask me, considering exactly how long it takes things to happen on a galactic scale.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/13 20:15:20


Post by: Grotzooka


I love this thread! Fluff moves directly on to drugs and fanfiction, then a little rage, then biology!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 07:37:39


Post by: dossome


The thing is, what happens to the planets after the Nids have gone through, do they have any bacteria or anything that can restart the planetary eco-system, could one of the other races revive the planet (Panspermia)? Or is it some weird thing where the barren earth still has nutrients under the soil (I don't think the nids would eat the planet down to the mantel)? Or is it just some barren planet doomed to being an empty rock forever?

If they can be replenished then the NIds wouldn't just be eating the entire galaxy and would insted be going aound and around eating and re-eating every planet.

just a thought.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 08:22:51


Post by: Snikkyd





Also I noticed you guys are bringing up the case of Calgar punching an Avatar. But what about the part where he fights an entire Waaagh single handedly for a day and night? That seems way more farfetched than a 1 on 1 with an Avatar. The whole coolness factor of things like this are destroyed for me because they have a serious case of "Fanboyism"



The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 11:59:31


Post by: Kilkrazy


All planets start out as balls of bare rock (well, molten at the beginning.) In the same way that life evolved on Earth, it can re-evolve on a planet which has been scoured by the Tyranids. It would take billions of years though.

However, it seems unlikely that the Tyranids would scour a planet of all life. The effort required to scavenge every atom of atmosphere, water and bacteria is surely counter-productive. Unless you assume the Tyranids are a bio-engineered weapon which is designed to do that.

The other question is why the Tyranids behave the way they do if they are intelligent. Assuming they are intelligent and can control their own evolution by genetic engineering, what compulsion could have been designed into them which they are unable to design out again.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 16:11:10


Post by: Necroagogo


Amplified wrote:
A couple of borrowing Trygons destroyed 600 Defilers in a couple of hours?! They disrupted and isolated a Great Company of the most single most experienced, disciplined, cohesive Chaos Legion, FAMED for their speciality at siege warfare, by BURROWING A COUPLE OF TRYGONS INTO THEIR FORTRESSES?! WHICH DIDN'T THEN IMMEDIATELY DIE FROM BEING CHARGED BY 600 DEFILERS WHO GET 3200 ATTACKS ON THE CHARGE?!?!?!


'Iron within. Iron without'.
''Nids below!'
'D'oh!'


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 17:36:29


Post by: BeRzErKeR


Snikkyd wrote:

Also I noticed you guys are bringing up the case of Calgar punching an Avatar. But what about the part where he fights an entire Waaagh single handedly for a day and night? That seems way more farfetched than a 1 on 1 with an Avatar. The whole coolness factor of things like this are destroyed for me because they have a serious case of "Fanboyism"



I dunno, I kinda figure it goes like this;

1. If there's something named for any race anywhere, somewhere there is a Space Marine or Chaos Space Marine that is more badass than it.

2. That being said, there's only so many Space Marines.

So yeah, Calgar is very nearly the most uber fighter in the universe, and he can stand off a Waagh! (in a small space, it should b enoted) for a day and a night, by himself. What he CAN'T do is take on all over the other eighteen Waaghs that are going on that day in other places. So I'm willing to give the Space Marines "best individual fighters" props, fluffwise; there's only a million or so of them, if they weren't the hardest bastards in the galaxy the Imperium would be gone by now.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 18:14:38


Post by: Snikkyd


BeRzErKeR wrote:
Snikkyd wrote:

Also I noticed you guys are bringing up the case of Calgar punching an Avatar. But what about the part where he fights an entire Waaagh single handedly for a day and night? That seems way more farfetched than a 1 on 1 with an Avatar. The whole coolness factor of things like this are destroyed for me because they have a serious case of "Fanboyism"



I dunno, I kinda figure it goes like this;

1. If there's something named for any race anywhere, somewhere there is a Space Marine or Chaos Space Marine that is more badass than it.

2. That being said, there's only so many Space Marines.

So yeah, Calgar is very nearly the most uber fighter in the universe, and he can stand off a Waagh! (in a small space, it should b enoted) for a day and a night, by himself. What he CAN'T do is take on all over the other eighteen Waaghs that are going on that day in other places. So I'm willing to give the Space Marines "best individual fighters" props, fluffwise; there's only a million or so of them, if they weren't the hardest bastards in the galaxy the Imperium would be gone by now.


Well maybe he could, since he's supposed to be the most powerful SM, but you'd think he'd be too slow, with power fists and all.

I agree though, the SM are super powerful but theres only 1 million of them, so it doesn't really matter, it evens out.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 21:50:55


Post by: DevianID


In terms of why tyranids behave the way they do, there have been references to a single malign intellect behind the hive mind. Some postulated the 4th C'tan, the trickster I believe he is called. He was the Ctan that got Ctan to start eating each other. The Nids could be his pet project.

Or, it could be a being similar to the emperor of this galaxy, a being so psychically powerful he was able to thrall his children the tyranids. This leads to a shared vision of a great crusade to wipe out all other threatening life forms, to establish dominance of one race. The emperor delved into genetic engineering, perhaps the intellect behind the hive mind is an evolved emperor level being with the same ideas. The real difference between this potential tyranid emperor and the imperial emperor is that the tyranid emperor only doles out sentience to very few of his creatures, namely beings like hive tyrants. The tyranids emperor also doesnt stop at wiping out opposing sentient life, it nips all potential life in the bud by leaving lush planets looking like our moon. Under this theory, the tyranid emperor, after conquering the universe, would cast off the now useless tyranid assault forces (who are already used to jumping in a disolving pool upon command), and presumably consolidate his winnings.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 22:02:41


Post by: Kilkrazy


I like your thinking.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 22:53:45


Post by: ZacktheChaosChild


The only reason it doesn't talk about them owning Chaos and Necrons is because it would never happen.

Chaos- just as elusive and threatening as the nids IMO. Shadow in the Warp woujld make it harder for the psykers, but that isn't the only thing they've got.

Necrons- nids probably don't even know they exist because they spend eternity sleeping, and they really aren't even alive so the nids can't really detect them very well.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 22:58:30


Post by: crazykiwi


and use all the genetic code from all the Noming to create a new race of sentient beings where there is no war or strife

wait a minute

Thats heresy!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 23:05:30


Post by: A-P


crazykiwi wrote:and use all the genetic code from all the Noming to create a new race of sentient beings where there is no war or strife

wait a minute

Thats heresy!


Exactly, brother. Now, these two kind gentlemen would like you to follow them. Their master would like to have a word with you...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/14 23:40:45


Post by: Da Boss


I've always found the nid fluff tiresome. Evolution doesn't work the way they describe it at all. And eating genetic code from other organisms? Argh. Makes so little sense.



The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 00:06:19


Post by: nintendoeats


Da Boss wrote:I've always found the nid fluff tiresome. Evolution doesn't work the way they describe it at all.


Never play Spore.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 00:22:13


Post by: Da Boss


My computer wouldn't run it, even if I wanted to .


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 02:10:19


Post by: Klawz


DevianID wrote:As for 'nids being as efficient as a nomadic insect colony, im not sure. The same species of insect will fight itself as it reproduces and branches out its colonies, and only the strongest colonies will survive, which serves to keep the population down and at the same time ensure the survival of the fittest.

However, as far as I know, the various nid fleets dont compete with each other, straight out killing weak hive fleets to keep the overall population down--they instead reproduce with reckless abandon. Hence, nids dont have a built in population control like most insects do, making them less efficient for long term survival but much faster at short term survival. An effective tradeoff if you ask me, considering exactly how long it takes things to happen on a galactic scale.
There is fluff showing 'nid hive fleets fighting. The winner eats the loser, and then there is one big, double killy hive fleet.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 02:18:16


Post by: Snikkyd


Why are you talking about the evolution of Nids.

Isn't it a little OT? Just wondering.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 02:23:40


Post by: Klawz


Snikkyd wrote:Why are you talking about the evolution of Nids.

Isn't it a little OT? Just wondering.
No...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 02:53:53


Post by: Corvus


Da Boss wrote:I've always found the nid fluff tiresome. Evolution doesn't work the way they describe it at all. And eating genetic code from other organisms? Argh. Makes so little sense.



dude this is warhammer 40K, the game that never lets realism or practicality get in the way of being GRIMDARK and over the top. Think about it. This is a universe where humans fly spaceships through what is essentially Catholic Hell filled with EVIL SPESS DEMONS to fight magical space elves and fungal Incredible Hulk clones who also happen to be soccer hooligans. It doesnt have to be realistic, or make sense. Think about it from GW's perspective: what is more grimdark, Tyranids who behave like normal creatures and follow normal laws of evolution, or BIO-ENGINEERED SUPER EVOLVED MONSTROSITIES THAT OMNOMNOM ENTIRE PLANETS, LEAVING ONLY GRIMDARKNESS IN THEIR WAKE?

exactly.



The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 02:59:24


Post by: A-P


Corvus wrote:
...and fungal Incredible Hulk clones who also happen to be soccer hooligans.... or BIO-ENGINEERED SUPER EVOLVED MONSTROSITIES THAT OMNOMNOM ENTIRE PLANETS, LEAVING ONLY GRIMDARKNESS IN THEIR WAKE?


I thank thee, Sir, for having helped me regain D4 Sanity Points.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 04:02:43


Post by: nintendoeats


Da Boss wrote:My computer wouldn't run it, even if I wanted to .


That is epic said. Not that you can't play spore (That game is dreadful, and I consider it offensive for its portrayal of evolution), but you need yourself a competent machine.

EDIT: I mean, does that even run a web browser? My netbook can run spore! (barely)


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 04:26:30


Post by: Corvus


A-P wrote:
Corvus wrote:
...and fungal Incredible Hulk clones who also happen to be soccer hooligans.... or BIO-ENGINEERED SUPER EVOLVED MONSTROSITIES THAT OMNOMNOM ENTIRE PLANETS, LEAVING ONLY GRIMDARKNESS IN THEIR WAKE?


I thank thee, Sir, for having helped me regain D4 Sanity Points.


I do what I can


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 04:54:15


Post by: dossome


Da Boss wrote:I've always found the nid fluff tiresome. Evolution doesn't work the way they describe it at all. And eating genetic code from other organisms? Argh. Makes so little sense.


They would evolve up to a point were they could gain an understanding of Genetic modification, similar to us, but if they already had this communistic hive mind society, then they could pin point the specific genes for what they want (through testing). This would allow them to successfully create norn queens or other creatures that can correctly ustilize the specific genes and create faster hormagaunts or better armoured carnifexes. The problem is, how did they develop the hive mind control? that is what we have to know.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 04:57:06


Post by: nintendoeats


dossome wrote:
Da Boss wrote:I've always found the nid fluff tiresome. Evolution doesn't work the way they describe it at all. And eating genetic code from other organisms? Argh. Makes so little sense.


They would evolve up to a point were they could gain an understanding of Genetic modification, similar to us, but if they already had this communistic hive mind society, then they could pin point the specific genes for what they want (through testing). This would allow them to successfully create norn queens or other creatures that can correctly ustilize the specific genes and create faster hormagaunts or better armoured carnifexes. The problem is, how did they develop the hive mind control? that is what we have to know.


A wizard did it.

In all seriousness, the hive mind exists in ant colonies and such, so structures like that can clearly evolve naturally. The psychic nonsense and the warp and all that just make it more efficient.


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Da Boss wrote:And eating genetic code from other organisms? Argh. Makes so little sense.


I'm fairly certain that I've heard something about that happening in nature too. And, in fact,there ARE animals that manipulate their own genetic code.

Nature is totally badass.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 18:08:34


Post by: Archimus


Yes, it can be done. We do it all the time in labs. Taking a gene from the DNA of an underwater specie of bacteria to create a new race of crops that`s resistant to cold and pressure is old stuff. Granted, we dont do it with our stomach, but its not undoable for an organism to develop tools to do the same biologically.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 22:05:50


Post by: Kilkrazy


Bacteria exchange genetic material. Plants can exchange genetic material. There was a recent report of some creature, a sea slug or something, which could eat plant chromosomes and grow its own chlorophyll. I don't remember the exact details.

From a science viewpoint the question is why Tyranids, which are from a different galaxy, would have genetic material in the form of DNA or RNA which would be compatible with our galaxy's creatures.

Anyway, the Tyranids clearly do have a hive mind in the sense of a directing intelligence. Ants are not intelligent, they just are able to direct the behaviour of the colony as a whole, which is a bit different.

I'm sticking with my bio terror weapon theory.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/15 22:39:12


Post by: nintendoeats


It seems reasonable.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/16 18:32:33


Post by: Klawz


It makes you wonder whether Nids ARE from another galaxy. I mean, all the fluff portrays it that way, but what if they're from...the center of the Galaxy!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/16 18:48:17


Post by: Corvus


I think the Tyranids are in some way related to the C'tan. Remember, those guys are strong contenders with Eldrad and Tzeentch for #1 user of "JUST AS PLANNED"


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/18 03:40:06


Post by: Grotzooka


Corvus wrote:I think the Tyranids are in some way related to the C'tan. Remember, those guys are strong contenders with Eldrad and Tzeentch for #1 user of "JUST AS PLANNED"


It could be, I just hope it isn't.
If the 'nids are a pet C'tan project, then that means that almost every ill in the galaxy can be traced back to the Old Ones or the C'tan. I'd rather have more diversity.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/18 06:30:29


Post by: Emperors Faithful


I'm pretty sure that both the Old Ones and the C'tan were restricted to the 40k galaxy.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/18 06:48:30


Post by: Noobtodagame


It makes sense that they would be. I mean C'tan were brought over from the stars from the necrontyr tech. I doubt many other races could do that, even in other galaxies. Old ones though. . . meh takes away some of the "drama" of 40K if this is just one off 1,000,000,000 galaxies seeded by the old ones.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/18 08:01:28


Post by: ChaosxVoid


good thing they cant get into the warp they'd get warp raped haha to many things in there that could eat a fex or dare i say even a phant O: the warp and chaos would put an end to that fleet, AND wtf is up with the iron warriors getting wasted, they had more than enough firepower to take them out but no


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/18 09:17:04


Post by: Emperors Faithful


When you think about it, there is NOTHING on the ground that could reasonably take on a whole hive fleet without any orbiting support of thier own.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/18 09:22:31


Post by: ChaosxVoid


Emperors Faithful wrote:When you think about it, there is NOTHING on the ground that could reasonably take on a whole hive fleet without any orbiting support of thier own.


things in the warp fly im sure lol


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/18 10:07:18


Post by: Emperors Faithful


But this IW fortress was't actually located in the warp.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/18 20:32:48


Post by: ChaosxVoid


exactly they were out of the warp, but still they are the iron warriors jeez -.- they shouldnt have gotten nid banged, i read the new codex and the way it sounds nids took them down quite fast


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/18 22:20:04


Post by: Emperors Faithful


I thought it was in a white dwarf article...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/18 23:10:04


Post by: ChaosxVoid


no its in the book as well, unless maybe my mind is playing tricks on me, anyway wherever i read it the IW got nid banged


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/19 09:22:22


Post by: Emperors Faithful


Apparently, everybody will get nid-banged sooner or later.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/19 12:07:55


Post by: Kilkrazy


Whoops, I appear to be in the wrong thread.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/19 12:16:44


Post by: EagleArk


i have just read this entire thread and from nids being the best it has moved so offtopic i feel like im in a science lession

Anyway i belive that the nids are mutants of some developed race made into nids by the Deciver.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/19 14:13:33


Post by: Ratius


Some postulated the 4th C'tan, the trickster I believe he is called. He was the Ctan that got Ctan to start eating each other. The Nids could be his pet project.


Ugh an aweful hypothesis imo, why not just make the Ctan the driving force behind everything then

I always liked the idea the Nids were extra galactic in their origin, gave them a certain unknown quality and the potential for extra fluff/models in the future.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/19 15:22:40


Post by: RxGhost


I came in here to see a picture of a red carnifex bursting through a wall with a pitcher of kool-aid.

Instead I got NOTHING.

Thanks Dakka, thanks for framing my dreams for murder and sending them off to prison to be gang-raped in the laundry room for 2 cigarettes.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/19 20:54:11


Post by: Corvus


RxGhost wrote:I came in here to see a picture of a red carnifex bursting through a wall with a pitcher of kool-aid.




FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DAKKA, SOMEBODY MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/19 22:40:20


Post by: Emperors Faithful


Corvus wrote:
RxGhost wrote:I came in here to see a picture of a red carnifex bursting through a wall with a pitcher of kool-aid.




FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DAKKA, SOMEBODY MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!!


I second the motion.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/19 22:53:36


Post by: Snikkyd


Emperors Faithful wrote:
Corvus wrote:
RxGhost wrote:I came in here to see a picture of a red carnifex bursting through a wall with a pitcher of kool-aid.




FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DAKKA, SOMEBODY MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!!


I second the motion.


That would be epic!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/20 04:22:20


Post by: ChaosxVoid


Snikkyd wrote:
Emperors Faithful wrote:
Corvus wrote:
RxGhost wrote:I came in here to see a picture of a red carnifex bursting through a wall with a pitcher of kool-aid.




FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, DAKKA, SOMEBODY MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!!


I second the motion.


That would be epic!


Was thinking of doing it when i read your post, but im not skilled enough someone needs to make this happen!!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/20 04:32:34


Post by: Morgrim


Emperors Faithful wrote:But this IW fortress was't actually located in the warp.

I'm now wondering what would happen if the nids were in full scale ground invasion of a planet then trapped in a warp storm/drawn into the warp. Well, other than the hive mind doing whatever its equivalent is of scratching its head and trying to figure out what just happened and where did all its creatures go.

Shadows in the Warp is described as blasting psykers with an unbearable wall of static that drives them mad, not actually severing the warp from real space, so it shouldn't impact on warp storms themselves. Not sure how it would affect daemonic instability though.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/20 09:41:42


Post by: Emperors Faithful


I believe that a warp storm, should it occur around a planet, would be enough to either destroy the orbiting hive fleet or cut off the tyranid ground forces on the ground, forcing them to adopt a more bestial nature.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/20 09:59:59


Post by: wizard12


Opps, havn't read all the pages yet.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/21 18:22:16


Post by: ChaosxVoid


If there was a warp storm that took over a planet nids were invading and cut off the ties to the hive fleet, would the nids on that planet succumb to demonic possession?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/21 18:35:18


Post by: dossome


They aren't entwined with the warp. unless a deamon directly attemps to control them (and it would have trouble with the Synapse creatures) they would default to instinctive behaviour. Even so, the Zoanthropes with their amazing psychic abilities, would be able to protect lots of Nids.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/21 19:32:13


Post by: ChaosxVoid


Well couldn't something take over or just kill the zoan? cause if it was taken over then that demon would rule those little nids right?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/21 20:19:46


Post by: Luke_Prowler


Actually, Tyranids can be mutated by warp energy, so daemonic possession is not impossible.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/21 20:32:37


Post by: Solly


As the younger generation nid players would say.....
nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom

If it turns out the nids are a some kind of extension of the Necros then i'm quiting GW40K forever!
Then I'm gonna buy a boat and sail that boat untill I come to a country that doesn't know about 40k....


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 04:50:23


Post by: dossome


ChaosxVoid wrote:Well couldn't something take over or just kill the zoan? cause if it was taken over then that demon would rule those little nids right?


But as the codex so clearly states, there are so few things in any exsitance that can mentally overpower a Zoan, those include: the hive mind (obviously) and maybe the chaos gods, but they would still have trouble as the Zoans aren't tied to the warp, they get their abilities genetically and from the Hivemind.

Now, if we hear about the Tau being controlled by the warp, then I would consider all Nids susceptible. That would be proof that the Hive mind doesn't need to have a direct connection to the individual.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 07:40:02


Post by: Emperors Faithful


Tau certainly can be corrupted by the warp. They are living breathing beings after all. It's just that Tau don't have many pyskers. Nids could certainly be possesed by that potent powerful warpcraft. I suppose even necrons could be somewhat tainted if they were to slumber for millenia in the warp. If they can even travel into the warp.

Anyway, everything is susceptible to corruption, only through the Emperors Grace can we hope to stand and prevail!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 15:24:22


Post by: Grotzooka


Tau have really tiny warp signatures, so it's supposed to be hard to corrupt them, though it seems Kroot can be corrupted very easily. As for Necrons, the Warp was created to be a place that they couldn't exist in, so one would think they couldn't be corrupted and would just be "killed".


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 18:07:03


Post by: Kilkrazy


Why do daemons bother to possess humans if they could possess cats or elephants or something?

They could possess bacteria and start a plague.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 18:16:13


Post by: dossome


Why possess a creature to start a plague when you have grandfather Nurgle doing it for you?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 19:48:39


Post by: vodo40k


Best I could do dakka....

[Thumb - LOLI.jpg]


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 20:17:29


Post by: Nethertwist


All very, very interesting...
One thing I thought I should clear up is Shadow in the Warp (or my hypothesis thereof). The thing is, the warp is influenced by the emotions of sentient beings. Many Tyranid organisms are not sentient or even have complex brains, HOWEVER, the sheer mass of neurons in a Hive Fleet generates a disruptave ripple that overwhelms weak psykers and makes it harder. Of course, then you get into the nitty-gritty and what emotions or sentience are, which makes me dizzy...

Also, quick hypothi (word I made up) on the Hive Mind: it's either one governing body (I like to think of a star-sized brain in the intergalactic void) takes care of all Tyranids, or every complex brain (Hive Tyrants (I don't think they're fully sentient, btw), Hive Ships, Norn Queens, Zoanthropes) combine to form a conglomerate Hive Mind that amplifies with each relay and is sentient: greater than the sum of its parts.

And a note on the nature of the warp itself: I personally believe it's a kind of bubble around the galaxy and can only exist locally (of course, warp dimensions are completely wacko, but you know what I mean) with the psychic beings of our galaxy.

Phew. That was a lot. And all totally awesome.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 20:18:47


Post by: Augustus


MIKEtheMERCILESS wrote:...spun this around with "Despite the strengths of the various races, wether it be battleifeld expertise, technology, or other, well bucko, the Tyranids can do it better! And they're an unyeilding and innumerous foe!"..."Oh Yeah?" codex! ...


Yup, I agree. It's really dumb.

But then in this universe guys with guns need powerswords to hurt each other and 1k guys conquer a planet...

(There are already 6 billion people on earth, 60 million casualties in WW2, a full chapter is what only, 1000 marines?)

All the 40k fiction is pretty thin. I don't let the latest edition of nonsense and shenanigans bother me to much...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 20:25:26


Post by: Corvus


Solly wrote:As the younger generation nid players would say.....
nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom

If it turns out the nids are a some kind of extension of the Necros then i'm quiting GW40K forever!
Then I'm gonna buy a boat and sail that boat untill I come to a country that doesn't know about 40k....


but Somalia is a terrible place!


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 20:26:58


Post by: Orkestra


RxGhost wrote:I came in here to see a picture of a red carnifex bursting through a wall with a pitcher of kool-aid.

Instead I got NOTHING.

Thanks Dakka, thanks for framing my dreams for murder and sending them off to prison to be gang-raped in the laundry room for 2 cigarettes.


This actually caused me to stop reading and simply scroll through the thread, waiting for the Carnifex.

Though there was a kool-aid man / lictor comparison.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/22 20:58:01


Post by: Emperors Faithful


@vodo40: That'll do lad, that'll do.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/03/15 03:15:48


Post by: Kid_Kyoto


Great stuff in this thread. Yeah the nids have pretty much been the invincible fluff army since 2nd edition but this codex took it to the next level.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/23 14:25:30


Post by: spamandchips


Alright I think we've established the new 'nids are a bit "OMG WE ARE SOOOOO AWESOME THAT U WONT BELIEVE THE ONLY REASON WE HAVEN'T WON YET IS CAUSE WE'RE STILL WAKING UP LOL!!1!" but I love them anyway.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/23 16:57:08


Post by: Nethertwist


I just realised the awesomeness of if nids were a C'tan project.
Wait for it...

NECRONIDS!
Skull faced robo-bugs from the 41st millenium.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/23 18:07:33


Post by: Solly


Corvus wrote:
Solly wrote:As the younger generation nid players would say.....
nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom

If it turns out the nids are a some kind of extension of the Necros then i'm quiting GW40K forever!
Then I'm gonna buy a boat and sail that boat untill I come to a country that doesn't know about 40k....


but Somalia is a terrible place!


I was thinking Guam...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/23 21:18:16


Post by: chaplaingrabthar




Quick & dirty, but just as planned...


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/23 22:45:36


Post by: Snikkyd


Oh yeeaah! Who wants some biomass?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/23 23:56:03


Post by: Augustus


To bad the codex actually isn't nearly as capable as the fluff in it suggests. No wait, that's good.

Mutating to be immune to pulse rifles, what, they'd have to be T 9?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/24 00:24:11


Post by: DevianID


Heh, the Hierophant titan is t9, maybe they just dropped them down?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/24 00:48:32


Post by: Raxmei


It wasn't becoming tough enough to be immune to pulse weapons, it was creating a specialized defense against pulse weapons. After doing that they were still vulnerable to things like Kroot rifles and lasguns. If it were put down in game terms it would be like keeping the statline the same but giving them the special rule: Immune to Pulse Weapons. Hive Fleet Gorgon basically noticed that most Tau weapons worked the exact same way and optimised its creatures accordingly.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/24 02:11:59


Post by: Snikkyd


Yes, the carapace would basically reflect the moleculer structure of Tau weapons. Not be so tough it just doesn't hurt them.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/24 09:31:46


Post by: DEATH89


Silly Tau, never take a pulse weapon to do a Nemesis Force Weapon's job


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/24 11:14:38


Post by: Emperors Faithful


Sooner or later the nids will sprout some sort of arm or member to deal with those too.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/24 11:26:51


Post by: DEATH89


NOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Foiled Again :(


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/24 17:07:15


Post by: Kilkrazy


dossome wrote:Why possess a creature to start a plague when you have grandfather Nurgle doing it for you?


Why possess any creatures then?


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Snikkyd wrote:Yes, the carapace would basically reflect the moleculer structure of Tau weapons. Not be so tough it just doesn't hurt them.


Pulse weapons fire plasma balls. There isn't a molecular structure. it's just another nonsensical piece of GW fluff.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/24 18:05:04


Post by: dossome


The other gods possess creatures to gain their own glory, in different ways, the plague thing is purely nurgle.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/24 18:45:46


Post by: Augustus


Kilkrazy wrote:
dossome wrote:Why possess a creature to start a plague when you have grandfather Nurgle doing it for you?


Why possess any creatures then?


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Snikkyd wrote:Yes, the carapace would basically reflect the moleculer structure of Tau weapons. Not be so tough it just doesn't hurt them.


Pulse weapons fire plasma balls. There isn't a molecular structure. it's just another nonsensical piece of GW fluff.


That's it exactly, the Tyranid fluff is pretty dumb here.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/25 10:48:59


Post by: Dronze


Kilkrazy wrote:
Snikkyd wrote:Yes, the carapace would basically reflect the moleculer structure of Tau weapons. Not be so tough it just doesn't hurt them.


Pulse weapons fire plasma balls. There isn't a molecular structure. it's just another nonsensical piece of GW fluff.


http://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=8308.php



There have been advances in Carbon Nanotubes that allow for their use in an application such as protection from energy-based weapons systems (namely lasers). Would it be so far fetched to think that the Hive mind, utilizing what are essentially organic compounds to begin with, to figure out how to spawn these nifty little bad boys as an integral part of the creature's structure?


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/25 12:26:26


Post by: Kilkrazy


Well, they are talking about a theoretical application of nanotechnology to defend against lasers.

A plasma beam or ball is different. It contains actual subatomic particles which can physically degrade objects due to being at a very high temperature.

Of course, plasma weapons don't work IRL, because without a powerful magnetic containment field the plasma simply flies apart under its own pressure and rapidly cools down to a normal gas again.

If the fluff wants to have one impossible thing deflected by another impossible thing, it's fine really. It just makes a good story after all.


The Tyranid Codex Fluff, aka The "Oh Yeah??" Codex @ 2010/02/27 06:37:51


Post by: New Player


Thank you for the OP. That is brilliant. I laughed so hard.