So I saw an almost heated debate get started with a person asking for advice on making a model and turned into people liking/disliking anime. Calling it a teen fad blah blah and all that good jazz. If anybody looks down far enough to see this while its still a "hot" topic id like to see some opinions. I personally am on the fanatic side as I have 2 anime tattoos and will have another in the near future. With that said flame on.
Personally i dont get the whole thing. i see people read fanfiction of naruto during lunch on the computor. and these people are the textbook definition of neckbeard.
The overweight girls that are into anime are the worst in my school. there crazy.
But then again im a teen playing with toy soldiers and look at bols at school so who am i to judge
yeah bleach is awesome.most anime is cool. most fans are cool. but im talking about the people that love any anime there is no matter what it is. those are the scary ones.
I've enjoyed some of the more mature ones in my day. Personally, what bugs me most are the kiddies who go nuts about it but haven't even bothered to watch the genre classics, like 'Akira.'
My problem with it is the way that most characters in anime express there emotions in a exaggerated yet somehow still 2 dimensional way. For example, those huge beads of sweat to represent embarrassment, or the way alot of characters express confusion with a sexual-sounding moan is a little annoying.
My other beef with it is that it opens up doors for all sorts of sexual deviancy. I mean, don;t get me wrong, I'll do some kinky gak, but I draw the line at loli (pedophilia), gurro (necrophilla/general fuckedupedness), and furrydom (a dangerous step away from bestiality), Call me judgmental if you want to, and maybe I'm being close minded about it. I will concede that its better these people live out their fantasies with cartoons than in the real world, I suppose.
I have no idea how someone can like anime or dislike anime. It's like saying I like/dislike live action prime time drama... surely it depends on the setting of a particular show and the quality of its execution?
I count Akira among my favourite movies of all time, and think Ghost in the Shell and a couple of other films are pretty good as well. Cowboy Bebop was jolly good fun as well. Most other anime is either pretty crappy or focussed on things I don't care about but that's alright, a large portion of every medium is either crappy or focussed on things I don't care about.
sebster wrote: It's like saying I like/dislike live action prime time drama... surely it depends on the setting of a particular show and the quality of its execution?
Depends. Are we talking Survivor/The Biggest Loser/Fear Factor or are we talking Chuck/Burn Notice/Psych?
In my experience, anime all seems to follow certain conventions. I'm not saying western cartoons or live action shows don't. But to my, by far and wide, I can't relate to the conventions in anime.
sebster wrote:I have no idea how someone can like anime or dislike anime. It's like saying I like/dislike live action prime time drama... surely it depends on the setting of a particular show and the quality of its execution?
I count Akira among my favourite movies of all time, and think Ghost in the Shell and a couple of other films are pretty good as well. Cowboy Bebop was jolly good fun as well. Most other anime is either pretty crappy or focussed on things I don't care about but that's alright, a large portion of every medium is either crappy or focussed on things I don't care about.
Thats what i said! then people say im just defending anime for the sake of im a rabid anime fan!
Commander Endova wrote:Depends. Are we talking Survivor/The Biggest Loser/Fear Factor or are we talking Chuck/Burn Notice/Psych?
The first lot is reality tv, the second lot is prime time drama. Although thinking about it, reality tv might challenge the idea that everything has soem good and some bad - I'm struggling to think of good reality tv. I used to like The Apprentice, but I can't say it was any good...
In my experience, anime all seems to follow certain conventions. I'm not saying western cartoons or live action shows don't. But to my, by far and wide, I can't relate to the conventions in anime.
Also, to much spiky hair.
Sure, but not all anime follows the same conventions. Akira and Howl's Moving Castle are very different, and both are miles apart from all the stuff about fighting robots piloted by 12 year old girls.
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LunaHound wrote:Thats what i said! then people say im just defending anime for the sake of im a rabid anime fan!
Then those people are just being silly. If they don't agree, tell them some guy on the internet told them they were being silly.
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FoxPhoenix135 wrote:Not to thread-jack, but can anybody explain to me the American youth's infatuation with Japanese anime? To me, it's like being infatuated with French Impressionism. Its just a foreign style of art, right?
It caters to a market who prefer animation to live-action and prefer animation that isn't idiotic comedy. Lost and Heroes are good and all, but some people don't really like live action. Tom and Jerry is fun and all, but it's not going to get you to do any heavy thinking. The DCAU and the like are a step in the right direction, but they're limited to one genre. Anime can be a wide range of genres and it can cater to anyone's preference. You want typical episodic teen adventure story? Shounen is for you. You want a romance? Try Shoujo, or if you're interesting in gay romance, try Shounen-Ai or Shoujo-Ai. Like giant robots? You can have the optimistic Gurren Lagann or the depressing Neon Genesis Evangelion. Want something dealing with a bleak look at the world? A seinen such as Narutaru is your type. Want emos? Enjoy your Naruto.
I suppose it could be likened to having an infatuation with French Impressionism. However French Impressionism isn't marketed at all ages and all genres, nor are the youth particularly fond of paintings, which explains why you hear little about them.
There's more to anime than the fairly simplistic 2BAMASTA or Save-the-world plotline that the typical Shounen follow. It just so happens that as the American distributors don't recognise animation as being for anyone other than kids, only those anime appealing to kids are brought over, and the heavier issues are almost always somewhat censored (e.g. Death, homosexuality and strangely, blood). This gives the impression that all anime is this shallow, when really it has far more depth. The youth are using the internet more and more, so global relations are getting better and better. This gives them ready access to subtitled videos of uncensored anime of their choice.
The plotline of many anime is superior to much of what youths who dislike live action in America have access to. Firstly, let's rule out books, because books don't have animation. Secondly, all movies are limited to a 2 hour period, which isn't long enough to give an in-depth plot. TV shows are live action, which can easily be a victim of bad acting, and bad effects are guaranteed unless it's high budget. Also, tv shows have to be watched on TV, while anime is always downloaded online, so is far more convenient to watch.
So, have I put forward a decent enough explanation for why anime is popular?
Commander Endova wrote:I've enjoyed some of the more mature ones in my day. Personally, what bugs me most are the kiddies who go nuts about it but haven't even bothered to watch the genre classics, like 'Akira.'
I saw AKIRA. I wholeheartedly disliked it. The characters felt undeveloped and the ending was a cop out. I promptly read the manga instead and was much more satisfied.
I'm trying to sample every genre in anime and manga and not get into a rut about what I like.
I've seen:
AKIRA - Cyberpunk seinen
Code Geass - Death Note meets giant robots
Death Note - Psychological warfare between a teen who discovers a book with the power to kill anyone who's name is written in it and a detective trying to stop him. The boy decides he wants to wipe the world of all criminals.
Elfen Lied - Discusses nurture v.s. nature, with doses of atonement and heavy application of gore. Was cut short from the manga.
Green Green - Typical romantic comedy. Nothing out of the ordinary.
Gurren Lagann - Giant robot cliches all thrown together. It worked, and produced an epic hot-blooded anime. Nothing particularly thought inducing, but it's definitely fun.
Higurashi no Naku Koro ni - Murder mystery with lolis and a twist.
Jigoku Shoujo - Episodic corny Japanese horror anime.
Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha (currently on second season) - The magical girl series I chose to watch. Follows usual convention of no blood, no death, etc. Still a fun watch, and the fight scenes are pretty.
Neon Genesis Evangelion - The deconstruction of giant mecha. The main character suffers abandonment issues, his co-pilot's mother went insane and tried to kill her, his other teammate has a really screwed up backstory and the director had a mental breakdown halfway through the series.
Now and Then, Here and There - Starts off as your average shounen, then becomes depressing. It's set in a dystopian world, alluding to the predicament of child soldiers and war in our own country. This one doesn't pull any punches, although it's somewhat outdated art style detracts for the first few episodes.
One Piece (still trundling through it at roughly episode 170) - Far better than the crap version that was ported over to here by 4kids. Mentioning 4Piece in any discussion over anime worth is akin to taking Epic Movie as the epitome of American studios.
Ouran High School Host Club - Reverse harem parody. Very funny as a parody, although it takes fifteen minutes of teeth gritting to get through the image of it being a schoolgirl's wet dream.
School Days - How a harem would turn out in real life. Not pretty. Except for the boat. That was nice.
Serial Experiments Lain - Apparently it has a lot of obscure references and the like. I missed them, but I found the premise interesting enough. Give it a watch if you're feeling intellectual.
Shigofumi - Episodic anime looking at death and human nature.
The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya - Comedic happenings of a school club. Mostly parody.
I've read:
AKIRA - The world in the future really sucks. That's the only feeling I left with. Oh, and Kaneda is possibly the luckiest character ever.
Bokurano - Evangelion without the mind-screw. My favourite manga to date. Depressing and realistic.
Death Note (Unfinished) - Same as the anime, but has more details. I dislike the second season, so I dropped it.
Elfen Lied - Same as the anime, but more and an ending that kills the driving point of the series.
Gyo - Horror zombie-fish apocalypse, complete with sharks kicking doors down with a "GASHUNK" sound effect. Nice short stories in the second volume.
Liar Game (Unfinished) - Death Note, but the protagonist is good.
Narutaru - Pokemon, but by the end of the first volume, a kid is pierced through the stomach with a plane strut and dies. It gets worse, including child-rape and lots of death.
Onani Master Kurosawa - Death Note parody in a high school setting with masturbation. Not porn. A lot better than it sounds.
Pastel (Ongoing) - Typical romance comedy about a guy and a girl living together.
RE-TAKE of Evangelion - Well written alternate Evangelion doujin disguised as a hentai. A must read.
School Mermaid - A few chapter long story. Nothing more can be said without spoilers.
Tomie - A girl keeps coming back to life, but men are driven to murder her and cut her up. Horror.
Uzumaki - Spiral horror. You will not be able to look at a spiral the same way again.
Mine pales in comparison to others' lists, but it's enough so I feel as if I know what I am talking about when I say the art style varies greatly, the plot varies greatly and the genre varies greatly.
whatwhat wrote:You can surely dislike the artistic style of anime though, which I do.
Do you mean the big eyes and small mouth style which anime is often parodied for. I don't mind that as a style, but even if I did it wouldn't be an issue as it isn't used in all anime.
Or do you mean the low frame rates and re-used footage common to much televised anime*? I'd probably agree with you, there, but would argue that top draw productions like Ghost in the Shell have incredible animation.
*It's been explained to me by a fellow in the animation industry that Western cartoons place a greater emphasis on character motion and frame rates, while Japanese animation emphasises character detail. I prefer the Western style, but it's only an issue for low to middle tier productions. Top end tv shows and films have sufficient production standards that the difference drops away.
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Pika_power wrote:I saw AKIRA. I wholeheartedly disliked it. The characters felt undeveloped and the ending was a cop out. I promptly read the manga instead and was much more satisfied.
Really? I actually feel that's a case where less is more. I liked that the nature of Akira in the film was largely unexplained, most everything was left up to the viewer. The layers of meta-physics in the book bored me silly.
Endova wrote:
My other beef with it is that it opens up doors for all sorts of sexual deviancy. I mean, don;t get me wrong, I'll do some kinky gak, but I draw the line at loli (pedophilia), gurro (necrophilla/general fuckedupedness), and furrydom (a dangerous step away from bestiality), Call me judgmental if you want to, and maybe I'm being close minded about it. I will concede that its better these people live out their fantasies with cartoons than in the real world, I suppose.
I'm right there with you pal - this is the main reason I detest anime/manga. There seems to be an undercurrent of paedophilia in a lot of it (and no, not just the schoolgirl images!). One of the most obvious stylistic characteristics is (often quite subtle) sexualised images ostensibly representing adults, with childlike facial features. I find that creepy. Although I find a lot of Japanese culture creepy, so...
Although I like my fair share of Anime, the schoolgirl/child with the giant boobs to point out "this is not really a child - honest!" is a bit... wrong?
Which is why I tend to stick to the more adult anime... Cowboy Beebop etc, where there are adult characters (and not 8 year old girls with boobs saving the world and getting into awkward semi-sexual situations).
SilverMK2 wrote:Although I like my fair share of Anime, the schoolgirl/child with the giant boobs to point out "this is not really a child - honest!" is a bit... wrong?
This annoys me too, what is the obsession with school girls with giant boobs in manga... Its a bit creepy..
Although perhaps even creepier is the school-girl-with-small-boob-and-special-powers anime. Then they look even younger and seem to often play the "innocent young girl" role, which given some of the things that happen in the story then makes it really creepy.
Off the top of my head I think Elfin Leid (sp?) is a good example of this.
I view anime as the Japanese equivalent of Heroes, or Lost. It just happens to be drawn instead of acted. And in the same way that sub-par dramas can be made (I'm looking at you, season 2 of Terminator:Sarah Connor Chronicles!), a sub-par anime can be made.
I can understand not liking the artisitic styles, there are some animes that I refuse to watch because the drawing style just point blank irritates me. One Piece is a good example.
I would dismiss it as a simple fad though, as the anime influence in culture, and popularity has been slowly but steadily climbing for a good twenty years now, since its introduction to the West with Akira. (the movie for that was alright, but wasn't as good as the manga simply because they were trying to compress 9 telephone directories of comic books into a twohour film).
The difference between manga and anime is the difference between reading transformers and then going and watching the movie. One is a comic book, the other is something you sit down and watch.
There is a lot of fanservice and teenage titillation in anime format, but to honest, anything that's been drawn has probably been done on the internet in 'live action' so to speak. Its just that drawing some weird tentacle monster is a lot easier than having to actually make one out of sfx. As such, the more bizare fetishes seem to be conducted through this medium, simply because its the only practical way to cater for it's 'audience'.
If you ignore the weird, bad, and downright perverse stuff, you're left with some very good film nights in. I'm not into giant breasted girls, so you can take my recommendations as one's of some sort of taste. I would say the better animes out there that I've seen are:-
Black Lagoon-A Japanese Office worker is taken hostage by a group of modern day pirates, and ends up joining them.
Bleach:-Lots of swordfighting and mystical powers ina world of death gods and demons. First arc is distinctly average, second arc is really good, third arc is amazing, fourth arc is pretty damn good, and then it goes downhill. Stop there, unless you enjoy watching a million fights in which no character ever dies.
Cowboy Bebop-A sci-fi wild western, with some fairly three dimensional characters.
Death Note-Very Gothic detective anime with a hint of the supernatural. Very gripping plot.
Fullmetal Alchemist-Set in a fairly steampunk world where they have a 'magic' power called alchemy. Some of the best character development, and an enthralling storyline.
Gantz-Some of the goriest stuff since Battle Royale, but very realistic scenario and characters. Philosophical underpinnings.
Ghost in the Shell-Futuristic sci-punk anime. Contributed the roots of the popular Matrix films. A group of well funded government agents combating terrorism in complex plots of intrigue.
Hellsing(Manga only!)- Vampire hunting set in Merrye-olde England. Nazi shooting, explosions, and the works. However, the anime was a cheap spin off version with a terrible plot.
Naruto:-Starts off as cheap kids show where the characters annoy you for the entire first series(140 eps!). Once you get past that lengthy beginning though, the storyline becomes one of the best around, with very well developed characters. Just a question of the effort of wading through the first series.
Neon Genesis Evangelion-Starts out as standard Giant mecha anime, with the addition that you despise all the characters as annoying. Around episode 18 though, it gets quite grim and begins a descent into philosophical ramblings, climaxing with an interesting ending. You'll have to read a plot synopsis afterwards, or watch it six times however, because unlike most shows, it doesn't hand the plot on a plate, you have to take the pieces apart yourself, and figure out what's going on.
Rurouni Kenshin-Almost a historical documentary. Full of a wealth of detail of Japanese history mixed in with sword fights. Slow to start, but good when it gets rolling. Second series was never animated, isntead they put in a crap load of random filler. If watching, you can stop around ep-60, and read the rest of the story in manga.
Trigun- Another sci-fi Wild west. Not the most amazing series around but a good solid classic.
Wolf's Rain-Interesting and excellently executed steampunk anime, but terrible ending.
Short version. I like anime, but its just a medium. It's the art and the stories.
The other thing is, there are a lot of anime which use a complete manga or a story, and it is much better at developing a great story, subtle developements, amazing cresendos and then tying up nicely (a la Bebop). There are very few American shows that plan from the start to be only 2-4 seasons and map it all out ahead of time.
List of stuff
-Boys with superpowers (this is my brainless stuff to watch)
Bleach,
Naruto,
Full Metal Alchemist,
Full Metal Alchemist: Brotherhood (new, follows the manga),
Black Cat,
Black Blood Brothers,
Ghost Hunt
-Stuff more adult themes, more intellectual or just more violent
Black Lagoon,
Elven Lied,
Ghost in the Shell,
Cowboy Bebop,
Ergo Proxy (intellectually demanding-get the fansub with the notes at the end...),
Mononoke (awesome style & pacing of story),
Neon Genesis: Evangelion,
Samurai Seven (giant robot retelling of 7 Samurai),
Count of Monte Cristo: Gangetsuo (sp?)(Retelling of French classic of betrayal and revenge... in space (not really) Really neat style of art),
Death Note (actually against recommending the anime only because it doesn't do justice to the manga which is 10 bajillion times more awesome.
Samurai Champloo (kinda weird story following 2 ronin and a girl across Japan. heavy american influence)
-Manga (the comic book stuff -Graphic Novel-)
Pretty much anything... go to Onemanga and just start reading summaries until you find something you like.
Im on chapter 223 of Bleach, the Soul Society Era was really good but I found that Ichigo just finds out a new power and uses that to beat the enemy every single major battle.
Lord-Loss wrote:Im on chapter 223 of Bleach, the Soul Society Era was really good but I found that Ichigo just finds out a new power and uses that to beat the enemy every single major battle.
What Arch am I on now, Im not sure...
The Soul Society Arc was good, then you'll get into the Arrancar arc which is pretty good too.
But yeah, that is the formula for superpowered boy shows.
Bleach.
Start
getsuga tensho
bankai
mask
dark getsuga
?
Naruto (don't remember order)
start
Shadow clones
demon fox cloak (1tail)
rasengen
2-3 tails
rasengen shuriken
???
Endova wrote:
My other beef with it is that it opens up doors for all sorts of sexual deviancy. I mean, don;t get me wrong, I'll do some kinky gak, but I draw the line at loli (pedophilia), gurro (necrophilla/general fuckedupedness), and furrydom (a dangerous step away from bestiality), Call me judgmental if you want to, and maybe I'm being close minded about it. I will concede that its better these people live out their fantasies with cartoons than in the real world, I suppose.
I'm right there with you pal - this is the main reason I detest anime/manga. There seems to be an undercurrent of paedophilia in a lot of it (and no, not just the schoolgirl images!). One of the most obvious stylistic characteristics is (often quite subtle) sexualised images ostensibly representing adults, with childlike facial features. I find that creepy. Although I find a lot of Japanese culture creepy, so...
Just picking this moment to mention live action has brought us nothing but flowers and roses, and definitely isn't a medium for transmitting real child porn, scat or pseudo-rape sex scenes.
Your argument is similar to saying "Oh, I'm a tad wary of seeing Lord of the Rings, Two-Girls-One-Cup really freaked me out". If we judge a medium by its worst representatives, of course it is going to look bad.
However the child-like design you're talking about isn't pedophilia as such. Japanese culture considers 'cute' to be attractive, to the point where some will speak in an unnaturally high voice, or continue to carry a teddy bear around. It's not limited to the anime. It's natural that some of it will leak over. It's similar to how English speaking countries have a certain perception of 'sexy', and all female leads will be played by attractive women. If a culture thinks a certain attribute is attractive, it will use that attribute in its art style.
Even so, there are many anime without any fanservice. They tend to be the seinen anime or manga. For example, Uzumaki, Tomie, Gyo, Bokurano and Narutaru don't have any distinct fanservice, despite the latter two having their share of sex.
Pika_power wrote:Just picking this moment to mention live action has brought us nothing but flowers and roses, and definitely isn't a medium for transmitting real child porn, scat or pseudo-rape sex scenes.
Your argument is similar to saying "Oh, I'm a tad wary of seeing Lord of the Rings, Two-Girls-One-Cup really freaked me out". If we judge a medium by its worst representatives, of course it is going to look bad.
However the child-like design you're talking about isn't pedophilia as such. Japanese culture considers 'cute' to be attractive, to the point where some will speak in an unnaturally high voice, or continue to carry a teddy bear around. It's not limited to the anime. It's natural that some of it will leak over. It's similar to how English speaking countries have a certain perception of 'sexy', and all female leads will be played by attractive women. If a culture thinks a certain attribute is attractive, it will use that attribute in its art style.
Even so, there are many anime without any fanservice. They tend to be the seinen anime or manga. For example, Uzumaki, Tomie, Gyo, Bokurano and Narutaru don't have any distinct fanservice, despite the latter two having their share of sex.
I agree with you that not all anime should be defined by the portion that contains pervy elements. I agree that there is a Japanese girlie element that sometimes plays very differently in Western eyes, I have to admit it took me a while to get over the girlie traits of a lot of Japanese colleagues and realise they were also pretty good at their jobs.
But there is certainly a range of anime out there that's pervy, that has nothing to do with cultural perceptions and everything to do with titilation - and often very weird titilation. It's a problem for a lot of people that might otherwise be interested in an anime, except they're not comfortable that a main character is written as a young girl but drawn in a highly sexualised manner, like in Evangelion.
sebster wrote: It's a problem for a lot of people that might otherwise be interested in an anime, except they're not comfortable that a main character is written as a young girl but drawn in a highly sexualised manner, like in Evangelion.
You thought Shinji was a girl? Granted, he's a bit of a emo kid, but not that effeminate.
If you mean Asuka, then to be honest, if you think she's oversexualised, you really haven't seen the 14/15 year olds of today. My little brother's that age, and I've seen some of his female friends. They make Asuka look like a prude.
I like my share of anime, but always the one thing that bugged the hell out of me was the standing around. Now DBZ was the king of this but why the hell in so many action animes do the characters just stand there...talking to the enemy. Fight a few seconds, stare, fight, stare...compliment the guy, WTF!?, stare...bad guy flies away saying he needs to get stronger, End.
It's like at one point instead watching for the fight, you want to rifftrax what is going on in there head, with one random bleach fight you could go on about how the characters are afraid they had their stove left on.
Asuka is the rare example of it actually being plot related. If you consider why, it's quite chilling.
Her mother's soul was sucked into EVA 02, causing her to go insane. She then abandoned Asuka, instead treating a doll like her daughter. If things couldn't get much more traumatising for the girl, the mother kills herself and 'Asuka' (the replacement doll). Asuka then decides that there's no one to rely on in the world and the only thing to do is to grow up. This is further shown when she (a young girl) attempts to seduce Kaji, learns Japanese and becomes advanced in academic subjects. She also pilots the same giant robot that her mother's soul was sucked into because she wants to be noticed, and has a mental breakdown when Shinji does better than her. When in danger, she refuses help due to wanting to cope for herself, and sinks into depression when she is unable to do even that. Her developed body can be seen as symbolic (and yes, Evangelion is big on symbolism) of her determination to grow up and be independent.
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Kurgash wrote:I like my share of anime, but always the one thing that bugged the hell out of me was the standing around. Now DBZ was the king of this but why the hell in so many action animes do the characters just stand there...talking to the enemy. Fight a few seconds, stare, fight, stare...compliment the guy, WTF!?, stare...bad guy flies away saying he needs to get stronger, End.
It's like at one point instead watching for the fight, you want to rifftrax what is going on in there head, with one random bleach fight you could go on about how the characters are afraid they had their stove left on.
Yes, that sort of thing has earned DBZ the name of Drag-on Ball Z. It's due to the anime being based on the manga, and overtaking it plot-wise, so they need to slow down to let the manga catch up. If you dislike it, I recommend reading the manga or watching anime made after the manga is completed, or retools of the series such as Dragon Ball Kai.
Pika_power wrote:Yes, that sort of thing has earned DBZ the name of Drag-on Ball Z.
I've never heard that before. I chuckled.
Oh. wait. Sorry. I Didn;t chuckle, I, kekekekekekekekekekekekekek
Pika_power wrote:
Just picking this moment to mention live action has brought us nothing but flowers and roses, and definitely isn't a medium for transmitting real child porn, scat or pseudo-rape sex scenes.
Your argument is similar to saying "Oh, I'm a tad wary of seeing Lord of the Rings, Two-Girls-One-Cup really freaked me out". If we judge a medium by its worst representatives, of course it is going to look bad.
I'm not saying that live action doesn;t have those same things. But it's harder to come by, and in some cases, illegal.
I'm sure there's tons of child porn out there, but like I said, it's illegal, and while I've never plugged "kiddie porn" into Google and hit 'I'm Feeling Lucky' (because, you know, I don;t want to get arrested,) imagine you'd have to delve pretty deeply in order to find the real stuff. But in anime, it's just... always there. It's an undercurrent to so much of the medium. The propensity of mega-mammary schoolgirls is insane. I get what you're saying about their culture though. I'm warm-blooded apple pie loving American as its gets, though, so I can admit I'm not in tune with the cultural divergence.
Scat... Is disgusting, but it's harmless. Barring disease, of course...
Its the guro stuff that really freaks me out. Sure, you can do-pseudo rape scenes with live action, but you know that in the end, that it's staged, and they act the rape, and that it's consensual, in reality, and there's probably a contract they've all even signed. But things like guro are more than just rape. Firstly, since the characters aren;t real, and since there's nothing illegal about doing it, (I'm not saying it should be illegal) the artist can draw it as a rape, and it will be a rape. Add to that the level of gore you can easily produce with ink and paper, and you can let people play out some pretty sick fantasies.
On a completely unrelated note, I hear so many good things about Ghost in the Shell, and I find myself wanting to give it a chance. Afterall, I dont't hate all anime. How many seasons are there? Are there spinoffs that I need to avoid? Can I still pick it up in Bestbuy/wal-Mart?
I don't really watch Anime. I've seen bits and pieces over the years (First Gundam, Some dubbed transformers anime, Akira) and while I like it, I don't go out of my way to find it.
I can't stand the stuff. About as far I can go is DVD of Macross and RObotech, and I still have to fast forward half of it. I tried to watch a little Gundam and only survived by punching myself in the face.
oh wow. look what i started. My main reasons for liking anime is im addicted to the art styles. Im an overly visual person so the extra detail that goes into the good anime grabs my attention. that and with a lot of the good anime even if you figure out what the ending will be you dont know how its going to happen.
I'm not saying that live action doesn;t have those same things. But it's harder to come by, and in some cases, illegal.
I'm sure there's tons of child porn out there, but like I said, it's illegal, and while I've never plugged "kiddie porn" into Google and hit 'I'm Feeling Lucky' (because, you know, I don;t want to get arrested,) imagine you'd have to delve pretty deeply in order to find the real stuff. But in anime, it's just... always there. It's an undercurrent to so much of the medium. The propensity of mega-mammary schoolgirls is insane. I get what you're saying about their culture though. I'm warm-blooded apple pie loving American as its gets, though, so I can admit I'm not in tune with the cultural divergence.
But having girls like Britney Spears, Lindsey Lohan, Miley Cyrus and others (sorry, my teen girl idol knowledge is limited) who are under aged, sexed up, pole dancing and padding or getting implants is any different from the anime school students with giant tits... Or the American cheerleader fetish, or the 'barely legal' fetish... I stopped watching American TV a couple years ago and don't really miss it.
If yer willing to grasp that the culture is a little different its on the fact that they actually admit that people do these things. Elven Lied has a character that was sexually abused by her step-father and her mother ignored it b/c she didn't want to lose her stability. It's not like there are people like that eating apple pie in the good ol' U S of A...
I guess its kinda like watching District 9. If you watched that, it should've been more disturbing then any big tit anime girl. Mostly b/c it was all real, (no not the aliens) each one of the people in there is a real personna. The scientist that can talk about ripping apart another human being with the same amount of compassion as taking apart a radio, the business man that signed away his son in laws life, the warlord that believed full heartily that if you have something I want, I have every right to tear it from your bleedy body, the man that would condemn an entire race of inferior people just for his on sake, the para military man that enjoyed bloodshed and killing... yeah, way more disturbing then admitting that most males age 12-60 think school girls with big boobs are attractive.
If you'd like to educate yourself of why some anime is so fethed up, there is a book on anime written by a professor from a university in Texas (can't remember which) that helps explain some of the history and, if your sensibilities will let you read it, a chapter explaining some of the social pressures that explain the whole tentacle rape thing.
"ANIME FROM AKIRA TO PRINCESS MONONOKE: Experiencing Contemporary" by Susan J Napier. It will also talk about why Ghost in the Shell was so profound.
Soap box aside: Ghost in the Shell is good. There are 2 movies, 2 seasons and 2 minimovies that sum up the seasons. The first movie is the classic that created everything else, good mix of action and questioning of life... pretty deep, slow pace in some parts. Movies are what are really good, the shows good, but not to the level of the movies.
Kind of getting back into Anime again, having rediscovered the 12 part Guyver series my mate gave me, and watching it all pretty much back to back.
I was on the cusp of the first real Anime wave in the UK, seeing Akira at a young(ish) age, and having thoroughly enjoyed Ulysess 31 when even youngerer. However, I was soon put off by a lot of it, which just seemed rather dull and repetitive, lacking the originality which makes good Anime absolutely bloody awesome, and as the market flooded with more and more titles, I totally gave up sorting the wheat from the chaff, and turned my back on it.
I guess I'm just more into my Cyberpunk grimness than most cutesy/sexual Anime, which I will very much leave on the shelf, thank you!
Pika_power wrote:Just picking this moment to mention live action has brought us nothing but flowers and roses, and definitely isn't a medium for transmitting real child porn, scat or pseudo-rape sex scenes.
Your argument is similar to saying "Oh, I'm a tad wary of seeing Lord of the Rings, Two-Girls-One-Cup really freaked me out". If we judge a medium by its worst representatives, of course it is going to look bad.
Stop pretending that Anime is a medium - animation is a medium, Anime is a style of animation. There are genres within that particular style. You're getting your styles/genres/mediums mixed up and using them to create strawmen. Just a heads up.
Pika_power wrote:
However the child-like design you're talking about isn't pedophilia as such. Japanese culture considers 'cute' to be attractive, to the point where some will speak in an unnaturally high voice, or continue to carry a teddy bear around. It's not limited to the anime. It's natural that some of it will leak over. It's similar to how English speaking countries have a certain perception of 'sexy', and all female leads will be played by attractive women. If a culture thinks a certain attribute is attractive, it will use that attribute in its art style.
So finding child-like features sexually attractive ISN'T paedophilic? Well, that IS a relief! As I said, I find some aspects of Japanese culture creepy. That's my opinion.
whatwhat wrote:You can surely dislike the artistic style of anime though, which I do.
Do you mean the big eyes and small mouth style which anime is often parodied for. I don't mind that as a style, but even if I did it wouldn't be an issue as it isn't used in all anime.
Or do you mean the low frame rates and re-used footage common to much televised anime*? I'd probably agree with you, there, but would argue that top draw productions like Ghost in the Shell have incredible animation.
I mean all of it. Provided you're not using the term Anime to define every piece of animation of japanese origin, which is insane. You're talking about clearly defined anime styles, one of which is the big eyed variation you mention. I find consistent themes in anime make characters rather inhuman and over exaguarated, that's what I don't like.
Stop pretending that Anime is a medium - animation is a medium, Anime is a style of animation. There are genres within that particular style. You're getting your styles/genres/mediums mixed up and using them to create strawmen. Just a heads up.
Isn't Anime just a bland brushing of "Japanese Animation" which would be the same as saying "French Cinema". Okay, maybe its not a medium b/c Animation is the medium, but anime isn't a 'style' its just a smaller selection of the works of animation that come from Japan from WWII to now, reaching a height in Japan in the 80's which is when it started being seen in North America. It's no more a style then "French Cinema" or "Bollywood" is a style.
Feel free to read the book "ANIME FROM AKIRA TO PRINCESS MONONOKE" which will really enlighten people to what is Anime.
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whatwhat wrote:
I mean all of it. Provided you're not using the term Anime to define every piece of animation of japanese origin, which is insane. You're talking about clearly defined anime styles, one of which is the big eyed variation you mention. I find consistent themes in anime make characters rather inhuman and over exaguarated, that's what I don't like.
Yeah, I'm not an expert, but there are definite styles of Anime drawing, you've got the Round head and hands Astro Boy & Metropolis, you've got Spirited Away and My Neighbour Totoro style, you've got the more realistic styles and the Spikey Hair and ^_^ styles, they are all different art. There are also crazy stuff like Mononoke and Count of Monte Cristo or Ergo Proxy.
@Demimyn - No, 'French Cinema' to denote certain aesthetic characteristics, is a 'style' of cinema, as is Bollywood. Actually the latter is a better example, as indian cinema and Bollywood are two different things. One is a style of cinema, the other is a national film industry. Yeah, 'french impressionist cinema' is what most people are thinking of when you say 'french cinema', which is of course any and all films made in France. But I wouldn't use Anime to refer to any and all animation made in Japan. Even if one did, it would still constitute a seperate style of animation.
Style and genre can be a minefield - it's easy to get mixed up.
@Golden Eyed Scout. What gundam series are you talking about? Deathscythe Hell Custom from Gundam Wing Endless Walz is one of my tattoos. For the anime fans I think just saying "Gundam" leaves too much up in there air to know what your talking about :3
If you look at the 3 pictures above, the first one is done in the style of japanese screen paintings... but that's right out of an Anime... that's what I'm trying to get across. Mononoke (the show where that pic is from) is an Anime. The 'style' is similar to screen paintings. It is not in the Anime 'style' of ^_^ at all. But its an Anime. That is what I'm trying to get across. The genre is 'animated film' the style is 'Taisho screen paintings' (that's a guess, I don't know Japanese art styles) It is an Anime b/c its a animated show from Japan, not because of what it looks like.
rocklord2004 wrote:@Golden Eyed Scout. What gundam series are you talking about? Deathscythe Hell Custom from Gundam Wing Endless Walz is one of my tattoos. For the anime fans I think just saying "Gundam" leaves too much up in there air to know what your talking about :3
I like all the Gundam series, my fav is prolly Wing, because it was the first one I saw, followed by Seed and then 00.
Albatross wrote:Stop pretending that Anime is a medium - animation is a medium, Anime is a style of animation. There are genres within that particular style. You're getting your styles/genres/mediums mixed up and using them to create strawmen. Just a heads up.
Why is Anime not a medium? What makes them NOT a medium?
# Action - Claymore
# Adult - Akira
# Adventure - Tower of Druaga
# Comedy - Minamike
# Doujinshi - Misc # Drama - Nodame Cantabile
# Ecchi - Girls Bravo
# Fantasy - Record of Lodoss War
# Gender Bender - Maria X Holic
# Historical - Genji Monogatari
# Horror - Mnemosyne
# Josei - Nana
# Lolicon - Dance in the Vampire Bund
# Martial Arts - Battle Angel Alita
# Mature - Monster
# Mecha - Gundam
# Mystery - Higurashi
# One Shot - Misc # Psychological - Ghost Hound
# Romance - Ah My Goddess
# School Life - School Rumble
# Sci-fi - Ghost in the Shell
# Seinen - Berzerk
# Shotacon - Boku no Picco
# Shoujo - His and Her Circumstance
# Shoujo Ai - Marimitte
# Shounen - Kamen Rider
# Shounen Ai - Boku no Picco
# Slice of Life - Aria
# Smut - Bible Black
# Sports - Hajime no Ippo
# Supernatural - XXX Holic
# Tragedy - Saikano
# Yaoi - Naruto
# Yuri - Strawberry Panic
If the genres means nothing to show they are exactly the medium used to target the different type of audience then tell me why.
What is Princess Mononoke if its not an Anime medium used to express a movie?
Lunahound wrote: Why is Anime not a medium? What makes them NOT a medium?
*big list*
If the genres means nothing to show they are exactly the medium used to target the different type of audience then tell me why.
What is Princess Mononoke if its not an Anime medium used to express a movie?
Not sure what you're asking me - it's coming out a little garbled. You proved that Anime contains different genres. Congratulations. I never said otherwise.
Are you talking about anime as a means of depicting certain themes? Fine, no problem. Anime is a style of animation which can be used to depict certain themes, in different genres. A medium (or media) is a means of mediating cultural texts - i.e. sending them from the artist/writer to the consumer. Technically, the medium used to mediate in this instance would be TV, but different forms of broadcast can be considered to be different 'mediums' in this context. In this case, the medium is 'animation' - Anime is a style of animation. 'Stop-motion' is another style. Anime isn't an all encompassing term.
You wouldn't consider stop-motion animation, Toy Story 2 or an episode of The Simpsons to be 'Anime', would you?
Hope that clears it up.
Lunahound wrote: Why is Anime not a medium? What makes them NOT a medium?
*big list*
If the genres means nothing to show they are exactly the medium used to target the different type of audience then tell me why.
What is Princess Mononoke if its not an Anime medium used to express a movie?
Not sure what you're asking me - it's coming out a little garbled. You proved that Anime contains different genres. Congratulations. I never said otherwise. Are you talking about anime as a means of depicting certain themes? Fine, no problem. Anime is a style of animation which can be used to depict certain themes, in different genres.
A medium (or media) is a means of mediating cultural texts - i.e. sending them from the artist/writer to the consumer. Technically, the medium used to mediate in this instance would be TV, but different forms of broadcast can be considered to be different 'mediums' in this context. In this case, the medium is 'animation' - Anime is a style of animation. 'Stop-motion' is another style. Anime isn't an all encompassing term. You wouldn't consider stop-motion animation, Toy Story 2 or an episode of The Simpsons to be 'Anime', would you?
Hope that clears it up.
If a story is chosen to be told , they have the decision to make.
Will it be a movie
will it be live action series
or will it be anime. or even OVA
I still got a problem with stereotyping all Anime as one style. Maybe its just in the proper definition of the word 'style' but you are saying that all Anime is the same style but they aren't. Forgive the photo spam but here we go...
All Anime but a mix of different styles. Inside the 'some term I don't know' of Anime, there are recognizable styles of animation. Metropolis is of the Osamu Tezuka style, My Neighbour Totoro is Hayao Miyazaki style of animation, Bleach is the 'Anime' style that I think is the stereotype that keeps getting reinforced when people lump all Anime as just 1 style/genre/snuckerbug (I'm getting tired of terms)
Edit: better Metropolis image
go go wikipedia
"In Japan, the term anime does not specify an animation's nation of origin or style; instead, it serves as a blanket term to refer to all forms of animation from around the world.[17][18] English-language dictionaries define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or as "a style of animation developed in Japan".[19]"
So I am, according to Wikipedia, wrong in saying that Anime is not a style. My terms are off.
"The charateristic anime style developed in the 1960s - notably with the work of Osamu Tezuka - and became known outside Japan in the 1980s." So that is what everyone thinks of when they think Anime (see Metropolis above)
"The styles can vary from artist to artist or from studio to studio." This is what I've been trying to get at. (I forgot about FLCL )
"While different titles and different artists have their own artistic styles, many stylistic elements have become so common that people[who?] describe them as definitive of anime in general. However, this does not mean that all modern anime share one strict, common art style. Many anime have a very different art style from what would commonly be called "anime style", yet fans still use the word "anime" to refer to these titles. Generally, the most common form of anime drawings include "exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography."[25]"
Pika_power wrote:Just picking this moment to mention live action has brought us nothing but flowers and roses, and definitely isn't a medium for transmitting real child porn, scat or pseudo-rape sex scenes.
Your argument is similar to saying "Oh, I'm a tad wary of seeing Lord of the Rings, Two-Girls-One-Cup really freaked me out". If we judge a style of animation[u] by its worst representatives, of course it is going to look bad.
Stop pretending that Anime is a medium - animation is a medium, Anime is a style of animation. There are genres within that particular style. You're getting your styles/genres/mediums mixed up and using them to create strawmen. Just a heads up.
Pika_power wrote:
However the child-like design you're talking about isn't pedophilia as such. Japanese culture considers 'cute' to be attractive, to the point where some will speak in an unnaturally high voice, or continue to carry a teddy bear around. It's not limited to the anime. It's natural that some of it will leak over. It's similar to how English speaking countries have a certain perception of 'sexy', and all female leads will be played by attractive women. If a culture thinks a certain attribute is attractive, it will use that attribute in its art style.
So finding child-like features sexually attractive ISN'T paedophilic? Well, that IS a relief! As I said, I find some aspects of Japanese culture creepy. That's my opinion.
First point: You're okay with classifying Live Action as a different medium, but anime is bundled into animation? Doesn't bother me particularly, as my point still stands if I substitute the terms in question.
Second point: It's not isolated to anime, it's all through their culture. Does that mean all Japanese have paedophilic preferences?
First point: You're okay with classifying Live Action as a different medium, but anime is bundled into animation? Doesn't bother me particularly, as my point still stands if I substitute the terms in question.
As long as you take 'Anime' to mean 'all animation everywhere', which of course it doesn't in this context. It refers to the japanese style of animation, a style which shares notable stylistic characteristics. See below.
Second point: It's not isolated to anime, it's all through their culture. Does that mean all Japanese have paedophilic preferences?
You could argue that that is the case, with regard to what the Japanese find sexually attractive. Bit of a generalisation though, and that isn't the same as saying 'all Japanese are paedos'.
First point: You're okay with classifying Live Action as a different medium, but anime is bundled into animation? Doesn't bother me particularly, as my point still stands if I substitute the terms in question.
As long as you take 'Anime' to mean 'all animation everywhere', which of course it doesn't in this context. It refers to the japanese style of animation, a style which shares notable stylistic characteristics. See below.
Second point: It's not isolated to anime, it's all through their culture. Does that mean all Japanese have paedophilic preferences?
You could argue that that is the case, with regard to what the Japanese find sexually attractive. Bit of a generalisation though, and that isn't the same as saying 'all Japanese are paedos'.
Aren't you two half agreeing/half fighting... He is making the generalization that what the Japanese find attractive is... as a counter argument to people saying all Anime involves big titted school girls and are pedos. (And I'd say its no worse a generalization then America loves tall leggy blonds with a big rack)
And the medium vs style thing. Wikipedia makes a nice mess of it that I'll agree to.
Wikipedia wrote:"English-language dictionaries define anime as "a Japanese style of motion-picture animation" or as "a style of animation developed in Japan""
"As a visual medium, it can emphasize visual styles. The styles can vary from artist to artist or from studio to studio."
So it's a style, but as a visual medium the styles can vary...
Pika_power wrote:Like I said, the difference doesn't really bother me, as my point (still unaddressed) still stands.
Your point? What, that one shouldn't judge all Anime by (for example) 'tentacle-rape'? I wasn't aware that I'd done that, so I ignored it.
Anime is a style, in which there are stylistic characteristics I dislike - sexualised infantilism being the main one. But as you pointed out, that runs throughout Japanese culture to a certain extent. It is also one of the things I dislike about Japanese culture. The food being another one.
Pika_power wrote:Like I said, the difference doesn't really bother me, as my point (still unaddressed) still stands.
Your point? What, that one shouldn't judge all Anime by (for example) 'tentacle-rape'? I wasn't aware that I'd done that, so I ignored it.
Anime is a style, in which there are stylistic characteristics I dislike - sexualised infantilism being the main one. But as you pointed out, that runs throughout Japanese culture to a certain extent. It is also one of the things I dislike about Japanese culture. The food being another one.
sexual infantilism continuance of prepubertal sex characters and behavior after the usual age of puberty.
didn't know that Japanese are into baby mama role play... Wait, i don't think I've ever seen that in an anime
I was just nit picking your choice of words. sexual infantilism actually refers to more the grown men in diapers drinking milk from their sexual partners. I believe your grief was with the exaggeration of sexual characteristics in Anime, particularly in young girls. And how, though it may be acceptable in Japan, you don't like it.
Through out this I've actually been slightly arguing with you as you seem to be pretty prejudice and unaware of the breadth of what 'Anime' is. It really is like saying 'American Prime Time TV' covering all sorts of genre of stories, styles of art and ranging form something that would Disney look smutty to stuff that would make a porn director blush. You seem to be fixated on something you've seen that has given you an impression that is quite different from mine. Guessing that you don't like Anime and therefore haven't seen as much as me, it miffs me a little that someone is willing to bunch all Anime into one category (one that I don't like at that) and miss all the good stuff that doesn't involve G-Cup 12 Yo flashing their panties every five seconds. (Usually refered to as either 'fan service' politely or 'ecchi' or 'pervert' not so politely)
I said 'sexualised' infantilism - infantilism that has been sexualised. The apperance of being like a child, but also containing calculated sexual appeal. A large breasted woman with a child-like face.
Type 'anime' into google, then select 'images'. There, THAT is what I'm talking about.
Anyway, this:
prepubertal sex characters and behavior after the usual age of puberty
...is actually a good description of what I'm talking about. Someone else mentioned that child-like 'cute' behaviour was seen as sexually attractive in Japan. And Japanese men are into infantilism in a BIG way.
Guessing that you don't like Anime and therefore haven't seen as much as me, it miffs me a little that someone is willing to bunch all Anime into one category (one that I don't like at that) and miss all the good stuff that doesn't involve G-Cup 12 Yo flashing their panties every five seconds.
You guessed correctly! Let's just ignore the fact that I mentioned my dislike of Anime several times in this thread, shall we? I never said all Anime was the same, just that there are certain characteristics of the style (characteristics which define it as anime) that I dislike.
my statement of
"Guessing that you don't like Anime and therefore haven't seen as much as me" is backwards, I meant
'Since you don't like Anime, I'm guessing you haven't seen as much as me" my bad on English
I never said all Anime was the same, just that there are certain characteristics of the style (characteristics which define it as anime) that I dislike.
rar! this is what I mean, you start off nice enough with "I never said all Anime was the same" but then contradict yourself with "just that there are certain characteristics of the style" that suggests that all Anime have these characteristics... which they don't!
Or maybe we are just butting heads 'cause when you think of "Anime" you are thinking off
"exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography" (Wiki)
While I'm thinking of a broader selection of Anime.
"Many anime have a very different art style from what would commonly be called "anime style", yet fans still use the word "anime" to refer to these titles." (Wiki)
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I'm not too much into the "anime" style of Anime, but enjoy a lot of the other 'non-anime' style Anime that are, generally, targetting late teens/young 20's instead of the 12-16 bracket. I'm not a dirty old man though there are highly sexualized characters, they are not high school girls. If you'd like to see something different, try Cowboy Bebop or Black Lagoon and I'd hope that you would see them as something different from 'Anime' and worth or not worth watching on their own merit.
@Deminyn - Where are you from, if you don't mind me asking? I assume you don't speak english as your first language - are you Japanese? This could be a reason for our misunderstanding.
Are you taking 'anime' to mean 'all animation' or 'the Japanese style of animation'? The second one has noticable characteristics that mark it out as being 'Anime' - that's not the same as saying all anime is the same. And I've never said that I wouldn't be open to watching ANY Anime ever again - just that I've never liked any that I have seen, and haven't seen anything Anime-related that I would be interested in watching. I'm prepared to give ANYTHING a chance.
Canadian. English is a first language, but I'm really bad at getting across what I mean in writing. (Didn't help in school either)
I use anime to describe the large sub set of animation that includes pretty much everything that comes out of Japan. I dunno, maybe it's one of those things where after you see 50 different shows you are able to identify the different 'styles' of Anime, including the 'Osamu Tezuka' style classic anime.
This kinda sums up what I mean.
"Many anime have a very different art style from what would commonly be called "anime style", yet fans still use the word "anime" to refer to these titles." (Wiki)
The only reason I'm still posting in here is to try and get across that a) the pictures I was posting before (pg 2) show a breadth of animation styles that I find visually stunning (all anime)
and b) that not all anime has supersexed 12 yo school girls. In fact, a lot doesn't and you can easily watch 10 hours a week of non-12yo boob laden school girls if you want to, just like how I could watch 10 hours a week of American Prime time TV without having to watch skimpy dressed women on reality TV shows.
Albatross wrote:@Deminyn - I meant no offence, it's just you referred to having dificulties 'with english' in an earlier post, that's all. (non taken)
No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that.
Huh? Okay, so I'm guessing you are referring to either young girls acting more sexual than you think is appropriate or older girls purposely acting younger in an attempt to be cute... This'll include more shows than my overexageration but there are still a lot that don't have ANY of this. Black Lagoon, Count of Monte Cristo, Ghost in the Shell, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop. The only 'sex' in these kinds of shows is the straight up and forward women (not girls) acting like women with women bodies. No 'loli' getups or teen idol dress & behaviour. Heck, Black Lagoon has strip clubs as locale in it. So does CSI: Miami... but I'm gunna stop myself and ask something 'cause I might be picking a fight over nothing (part of the me not doing well when writing what I mean)
does "No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that" mean that you think that in all Anime there is some undertone of oversexed younger girls (either in dress or behaviour) or adults adopting young girl characteristics to be increase sex appeal?
Albatross wrote:@Deminyn - I meant no offence, it's just you referred to having dificulties 'with english' in an earlier post, that's all. (non taken)
No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that.
Huh? Okay, so I'm guessing you are referring to either young girls acting more sexual than you think is appropriate or older girls purposely acting younger in an attempt to be cute... This'll include more shows than my overexageration but there are still a lot that don't have ANY of this. Black Lagoon, Count of Monte Cristo, Ghost in the Shell, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop. The only 'sex' in these kinds of shows is the straight up and forward women (not girls) acting like women with women bodies. No 'loli' getups or teen idol dress & behaviour. Heck, Black Lagoon has strip clubs as locale in it. So does CSI: Miami... but I'm gunna stop myself and ask something 'cause I might be picking a fight over nothing (part of the me not doing well when writing what I mean)
does "No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that" mean that you think that in all Anime there is some undertone of oversexed younger girls (either in dress or behaviour) or adults adopting young girl characteristics to be increase sex appeal?
Deminyn , i think the problem so far in the last pages are , people see a few anime and assumes thats what anime are.
Albatross wrote:@Deminyn - I meant no offence, it's just you referred to having dificulties 'with english' in an earlier post, that's all. (non taken)
No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that.
Huh? Okay, so I'm guessing you are referring to either young girls acting more sexual than you think is appropriate or older girls purposely acting younger in an attempt to be cute... This'll include more shows than my overexageration but there are still a lot that don't have ANY of this. Black Lagoon, Count of Monte Cristo, Ghost in the Shell, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop. The only 'sex' in these kinds of shows is the straight up and forward women (not girls) acting like women with women bodies. No 'loli' getups or teen idol dress & behaviour. Heck, Black Lagoon has strip clubs as locale in it. So does CSI: Miami... but I'm gunna stop myself and ask something 'cause I might be picking a fight over nothing (part of the me not doing well when writing what I mean)
does "No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that" mean that you think that in all Anime there is some undertone of oversexed younger girls (either in dress or behaviour) or adults adopting young girl characteristics to be increase sex appeal?
Deminyn , i think the problem so far in the last pages are , people see a few anime and assumes thats what anime are.
Not enough exposure to the other variety i guess.
It just makes me a little sad that it seems that so many people have a pretty hard preconception of anime and close themselves off to the rest. I honestly find some anime's to rival Avatar for visual appeal or to be as intellectually stimulating and challenging as reading Dune or even able to provoke visceral emotional reactions on the level of District 9. And it saddens me for people to think of Sailor Moon and Naruto instead of Princess Mononoke and Ghost in the Shell
Albatross wrote:@Deminyn - I meant no offence, it's just you referred to having dificulties 'with english' in an earlier post, that's all. (non taken)
No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that.
Huh? Okay, so I'm guessing you are referring to either young girls acting more sexual than you think is appropriate or older girls purposely acting younger in an attempt to be cute... This'll include more shows than my overexageration but there are still a lot that don't have ANY of this. Black Lagoon, Count of Monte Cristo, Ghost in the Shell, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop. The only 'sex' in these kinds of shows is the straight up and forward women (not girls) acting like women with women bodies. No 'loli' getups or teen idol dress & behaviour. Heck, Black Lagoon has strip clubs as locale in it. So does CSI: Miami... but I'm gunna stop myself and ask something 'cause I might be picking a fight over nothing (part of the me not doing well when writing what I mean)
does "No, I don't think that all anime has underage girls with huge breasts - it's more subtle than that" mean that you think that in all Anime there is some undertone of oversexed younger girls (either in dress or behaviour) or adults adopting young girl characteristics to be increase sex appeal?
Deminyn , i think the problem so far in the last pages are , people see a few anime and assumes thats what anime are.
Not enough exposure to the other variety i guess.
You need only see the way people who watch a lot of anime live to know how bad the stuff is.
To get an even better understanding, try to live with them. Ive been doing it for four years now.
before I lived with my current roommates I used to casually watch the stuff when it came on TV. Now that I have been exposed to more and more of it, I have to leave the room or risk going insane with rage.
Oh no. Somebody brought up the dreaded 4kids "entertainment". That was just horrible. Since we have all seen why albatross doesn't like anime what are a few things uniquely entertaining about anime. Other than the fact that its animated that is.
rocklord2004 wrote:Oh no. Somebody brought up the dreaded 4kids "entertainment". That was just horrible. Since we have all seen why albatross doesn't like anime what are a few things uniquely entertaining about anime. Other than the fact that its animated that is.
Uniquely? It's non-comedic animation with a plot that holds up over the course of a series, with a wide range of genres. There is nothing else that supplies that..
The thing with the booby schoolgirls is the "moe" style which became very popular in recent years, to the point where it started to crowd out more typical genres.
There are signs that the moe-blob has run its course having become unsustainable under its own weight of pandering to the wishes of the minority of anime fans who really like it.
I have the feeling that a lot of current western fans of anime are quite into moe, just because it has been a popular style in Japan for some years so that is what westerners have been exposed to.
As someone else said earlier, 80% of anime is crap, just like 80% of all creative stuff is crap. That is the nature of creative endeavour.
Let me rephrase my question since after reading it again I see how weird it is to answer that. What is it that attracts you to anime? I can't place mine personally but a large portion is the effort that goes into the story and putting the emotion into voices that you just dont find in live action. Well at least with the series that I like.
rocklord2004 wrote:Let me rephrase my question since after reading it again I see how weird it is to answer that. What is it that attracts you to anime? I can't place mine personally but a large portion is the effort that goes into the story and putting the emotion into voices that you just dont find in live action. Well at least with the series that I like.
Ok. Just like this :'D looks like a happy face , then anime can be a medium used to express other things.
Anime is capable of showing us incredible things through a simpler / cheaper medium that would other wise cost millions of special effect to create.
Because of this , they are able to create full series without worried about budgets as much.
Demynin wrote:Huh? Okay, so I'm guessing you are referring to either young girls acting more sexual than you think is appropriate or older girls purposely acting younger in an attempt to be cute... This'll include more shows than my overexageration but there are still a lot that don't have ANY of this. Black Lagoon, Count of Monte Cristo, Ghost in the Shell, Hellsing, Cowboy Bebop. The only 'sex' in these kinds of shows is the straight up and forward women (not girls) acting like women with women bodies. No 'loli' getups or teen idol dress & behaviour. Heck, Black Lagoon has strip clubs as locale in it.
Ok. You convinced me. I now like Anime. Well done.
What exactly are you trying to prove? I specifically said that I would give anything a chance about a page ago. I've never tried to convince other people NOT to like anime, or that liking it makes anyone a bad person. I've just given the reason/s why I don't like it. I don't particularly like Power Metal, so why would I plow through loads of it, in an attempt to find one band that I like?
I find much of Anime too 'cutesy' for my taste (see Lunahounds avatar/s). Simple.
@LunaHound - Once again, Anime is NOT an artistic medium. Neither is 'Impressionism' - 'oil on canvas' however, is. Just an example.
Falconlance wrote:
You need only see the way people who watch a lot of anime live to know how bad the stuff is.
Yup Narutards can be pretty stereotypical, but let's just point out the hypocrisy of this statement being made on a WARGAMING forum... that's like saying all you have to do is get a whiff of the smell at a gaming convention to understand how bad wargames are...
Some people are like that, not everyone, and I wouldn't even say the majority of people that enjoy anime. (Maybe the majority of the obsessive fans though)
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No, I don't care at all if you like anime. I did care that there was a confusion of the 'anime style' and all the rest of anime which has different styles. I think it's a problem with the dilution of the term anime. Where 'Anime', to fans, refers to more than the shows that use the 'Anime style' while for most non-fans it means just the shows that have the anime style.
If you think that only shows with the stylistic characteristics of anime should be refered to anime, than I actually don't like anime. I like Animated Japanese shows of the style of Cowboy Bebop, Black Lagoon and such. Unfortunately, I don't know any other name for this type of show; so I call it Anime.
And Lunahound was refering to Animation in general as a cheaper medium as opposed to Live action. Animation allows action, 'special effects' and camera angles that would be prohibitively expensive if done live, without a large increase in cost. The style of Anime has little to do with the cost of a show.
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IMHO Japan developed the techniques of animation much further than North America did and the end result was a lot more powerful than NA cartoons. And even now, NA is adopting Japanese techniques of computer added animation in shows like Futurama and the Simpsons. Because of that, the ability to write better shows using the medium of animation grew more in Japan. So the Japanese animation productions are at a higher level then the NA counterparts. And just like talking about North American animation includes everything from Dora the Explorer through Looney Tunes and into Family Guy, Japanese animation runs from cute talking cars kiddie shows, through tween-age cutesy stuff and into adult themes. Anime can refer to the style or can refer to the broader category of pretty much all Japanese animation.
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Not the best example, but here's a quote from wiki
Grave of the Fireflies (火垂るの墓, Hotaru no Haka?) is a 1988 animated film written and directed by Isao Takahata.[1] This is the first film produced by Shinchosha, who hired Studio Ghibli to do the animation production work. It is an adaptation of the semi-autobiographical novel of the same name by Akiyuki Nosaka, intended as a personal apology to the author's own sister.
Roger Ebert considers it to be one of the most powerful anti-war movies ever made. Animation historian Ernest Rister compares the film to Steven Spielberg's Schindler's List and says, "it is the most profoundly human animated film I've ever seen."[2]
Though Studio Ghibli's style is pretty close to the 'anime style' so it might put you off visually, this is a good example of the difference between North American animation vs Anime (of Japanese animation). Has there been a North American animation that could make the same impact on critics? Animes cover a broader selection of stories then NA animation, and do them well. This is the value of anime IMHO.
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Wikipedia wrote:Ghost in the Shell made an impression on a number of filmmakers. Larry and Andy Wachowski, the creators of The Matrix and its sequels, showed it to producer Joel Silver, saying "we wanna do that for real."[1] Director James Cameron has called it "the first truly adult animation film to reach a level of literary and visual excellence."
Demimyn wrote:
No, I don't care at all if you like anime. I did care that there was a confusion of the 'anime style' and all the rest of anime which has different styles. I think it's a problem with the dilution of the term anime. Where 'Anime', to fans, refers to more than the shows that use the 'Anime style' while for most non-fans it means just the shows that have the anime style.
Fine, if you want to change the meaning of the word 'style' to suit your argument that's up to you. But you are incorrect, and are arguing this point with the wrong person.
I have posted words to this effect several times, but will do it once more. If I have to do it again, I'll just quote myself, because this getting irritating.
Anime is the Japanese STYLE of animation. Within this STYLE there are multiple GENRES. The Japanese STYLE of Animation has several identifying STYLISTIC characteristics.
This IS NOT the same as saying that ANIME is a homogenous entity, in which each text resembles exactly the other.
Jazz is a STYLE. Within Jazz there are several GENRES (e.g Bebop, free Jazz). The Jazz STYLE has several identif.......zzzz etc.
In North America, Anime or Japanimation, refers to japanese arnimation, while cartoons or animated are generally used for american shows.
@Albatross: The Jazz thing actually helps, and is a new way of explaining it. Thanks. I gotta admit I'm more confused on what Anime is. I'm going of Wikipedia (yeah I know, not the best source) which has a clear definition of what the STYLE of anime is, and then points out that there are shows that are refered to as Anime but don't have the same stylistic characteristics.
Yep, the etymology of anime is rather peculiar. It gets borrowed into the Japanese language as a shortened word for 'animation', and means any type of animation. English speakers then borrow it back in its shortened form and use it as a word to mean Japanese animation only. Manga is similar, in that in Japan it means comics, while over here it means Japanese comics. Another example of word juggling is how the words Ecchi and Hentai have evolved. Hentai means pervert in Japanese, so it was ported over to English to be used the same. Eventually it started getting referred to as "H", e.g. H-games. The Japanese language adopted this "H" and rendered it as "Ecchi", also meaning perverted. English speakers then took Ecchi and used it to mean perverted scenes, while H and Hentai are used to denote full sex scenes.
So I'm thinking in my head and trying to take yer jazz example and apply it to anime.
Anime = style
genres of Anime = studio ghibli, Osamu Tezuka, Shirow Masamune (these are all visual genres)
genres of Anime = shonen, shoji, harem, school, horror, action, fantasy, ... (these are all story genres)
I can understand this part, though I probably don't agree on what the characteristics are that define the anime style.
Then the bold underline part shows what needs reconciliation with the stuff above.
wikipedia wrote:While different titles and different artists have their own artistic styles, many stylistic elements have become so common that people[who?] describe them as definitive of anime in general. However, this does not mean that all modern anime share one strict, common art style. Many anime have a very different art style from what would commonly be called "anime style", yet fans still use the word "anime" to refer to these titles. Generally, the most common form of anime drawings include "exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography."[25]
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Pika_power wrote:One of the reasons I watch anime is for the plot. Name the basic plot of a show, and I'll try to find an anime that does it similarly.
Nice easy one to start:
Autobots do battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons!
Pika_power wrote:One of the reasons I watch anime is for the plot. Name the basic plot of a show, and I'll try to find an anime that does it similarly.
Nice easy one to start:
Autobots do battle to destroy the evil forces of the Decepticons!
Can you guess the show?
Transformers is the show.
The matching anime? Transformers. I know the RID series was, and I strongly suspect Armada through Energon was too.
Yes, Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Robots in Disguise, Armada, Energon, and Cybertron are all Transformers anime series. That's why it was an easier one. How about this one, what's the anime for:
Cranky New Jersey Doctor with a bum leg diagnoses obscure diseases while helped and hindered by pointless assistants, all in a Sherlock Holmes analogy.
Deminyn wrote:Then the bold underline part shows what needs reconciliation with the stuff above.
wikipedia wrote: While different titles and different artists have their own artistic styles, many stylistic elements have become so common that people[who?] describe them as definitive of anime in general. However, this does not mean that all modern anime share one strict, common art style. Many anime have a very different art style from what would commonly be called "anime style", yet fans still use the word "anime" to refer to these titles. Generally, the most common form of anime drawings include "exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography.
The stuff in bold could be considered common stylistic characteristics - note that I'm not claiming that EVERY anime/manga cartoon has them, but that they are common. I mean there has to be some unifying factors behind anime, otherwise why say you like anime? Why not just say you like a bunch of cartoons which are completely unrelated and in no way similar? It's because that statement would be untrue, no? If you recognise Anime as a style, then surely you have to accept that there are unifying forces at work. Like Rock music - do Meshuggah sound like Nirvana? Not really, but there are points of convergence.
I want to play the 'Anime Story Game'!:
'A young American student moves to Britain and becomes entangled with a bunch of football hooligans. He becomes seduced by the violence and male-bonding and becomes one of them, with tragic consequences.'
Is there an Anime film that resembles that? If so, I might watch it. The original was fething appalling!
Albatross wrote:
I mean there has to be some unifying factors behind anime, otherwise why say you like anime? Why not just say you like a bunch of cartoons which are completely unrelated and in no way similar? It's because that statement would be untrue, no? If you recognise Anime as a style, then surely you have to accept that there are unifying forces at work.
I say I like anime, 'cause I can go to a store, to their anime section, and find stuff I like. They are related, but not by style, they are related by story themes and by country of origin (or culture of origin might be better). I find this statement to be inaccurate and slightly misleading. I recognize that Anime is a style but also a label used by fans to describe a collection of animated shows that: Originate from Japan, Have a higher quality of animation than their North American counter part.
So as un-artisticly educated fan of Anime, I say 'I like Anime' and someone that knows what styles, genres, and mediums are looks at me and says, 'I don't like Anime b/c of the style of big eyes/exaggerated facial features/disproportionate body parts/loli emphasis/ad nauseum'. Then I look confused and say 'but that's only a small part of Anime' but then they say 'That IS anime' and we both cock our heads and look at the other as if they have no idea what they are talking about...
As for as I can tell, that's what we've got going on. From a fan point of view (and a Canadian marketing point of view) Anime = anything animated from Japan, while it seems that your point of view (and you said your the wrong person to argue medium and stuff with so I'm guessing you've read a book or two on it ) Anime = a style of animation characterized by "exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... "
The wonders of language.
And for the sake of my insanity, I'm going to try and not come back here (I doubt that'll last, but I'll try - I lasted 5 min) as I really want to carry on painting and building. Including my heavily anime inspired Infinity stuff. (as a last parting shot, check out the Infinity website and tell me your opinion on their minis and a separate opinion on their art)
This is Ergo Proxy (if you can get the fansub with the notes, it helped me get a lot of the references that would've gone by me)
How about this then?
@Albatross
And from watching a clip of commentary on the matrix, it might be I like the cinematography style that is common in anime... didn't think about it before but maybe its the choice of story pacing, action style, camera angles, wide spanning background shots to create a feel, deviating from dialog heavy filming...
I just want to bring up an example why anime is a good medium.
We all know Halo. Its from a video game , if they want to make a series out of CGI , it'll either be too expensive , or if they cut them to budget too much , the quality will be sub par to all the nice CGI movies ingame.
So what happens? now it can be recreated , and story be retold + expanded into the form of :
Yes,I could watch that,I should clearify that I don't dislike all Anime (and my Girlfriend watches loads of it),I just don't care for most of it.
I find alot of the "artwork" dull & many of the story lines boring and repititious,but I have seen some that I do like.
Yes,I could watch that,I should clearify that I don't dislike all Anime (and my Girlfriend watches loads of it),I just don't care for most of it.
I find alot of the "artwork" dull & many of the story lines boring and repititious,but I have seen some that I do like.
Chances are , your GF watches a certain genre of anime.
Thus all the ones you seen with her naturally similar = you wont like them.
Just like afternoon anime are targeted towards children , naturally you are only exposed to
pokemon , yugioh , bakugan etc etc.
Luna wrote:I just want to bring up an example why anime is a good medium.
AAAAARRRRRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
I give up.
They are related, but not by style, they are related by story themes
Yeah, cool - story themes can be considered a stylistic feature, then.
So as un-artisticly educated fan of Anime, I say 'I like Anime' and someone that knows what styles, genres, and mediums are looks at me and says, 'I don't like Anime b/c of the style of big eyes/exaggerated facial features/disproportionate body parts/loli emphasis/ad nauseum'. Then I look confused and say 'but that's only a small part of Anime' but then they say 'That IS anime' and we both cock our heads and look at the other as if they have no idea what they are talking about...
As for as I can tell, that's what we've got going on. From a fan point of view (and a Canadian marketing point of view) Anime = anything animated from Japan, while it seems that your point of view (and you said your the wrong person to argue medium and stuff with so I'm guessing you've read a book or two on it ) Anime = a style of animation characterized by "exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... "
No man, don't misread me - I'm not trying to claim that I've got some sort of 12" mind-cock or anything! Just having a discussion - discourse is good, as it can be enlightening. I think we just got hung up on the 'medium/style/genre' thingy. I've actually learnt a little bit about Anime from this thread - hell, I might even watch some of the films some people recommended!
But the minute I see a big-titted schoolgirl, I'm out!
FITZZ wrote:
I just don't care for most of it.
I find alot of the "artwork" dull & many of the story lines boring and repititious,but I have seen some that I do like.
So, besides your crazy clown avatar, I like the cut of your jib. (scary clown)
And I'd like to say that the problem of visually dull shows and repetitive and boring story lines is what drove me away from a lot of prime time TV
It takes a little bit of knowledge and skill to sort out the good stuff from the crap in any medium. And my gosh, the 'shonen' or however you spell it Anime shows are like copy pasta in TV form. Boy has super powers, boy ends up in some sort of serial fight scenario and fights guy after guy, with lots of talking of super powers, only to develop a new and better power and win! yeah! now do it again... (a la Bleach, Yuyu Haksho, Naruto, Dragon ball, Fairy Tale, D Gray man, ...)
And that's why Anime sucks... but IMHO there are so many more things that makes Anime rock so I just ignore the suck and keep on rocking!
Supposedly in IDBM , Cameron is making movie of it . I have no idea how they can cram so much story in , perhaps trilogy if it succeeds.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0437086/
Yes,I could watch that,I should clearify that I don't dislike all Anime (and my Girlfriend watches loads of it),I just don't care for most of it.
I find alot of the "artwork" dull & many of the story lines boring and repititious,but I have seen some that I do like.
Chances are , your GF watches a certain genre of anime.
Thus all the ones you seen with her naturally similar = you wont like them.
Just like afternoon anime are targeted towards children , naturally you are only exposed to
pokemon , yugioh , bakugan etc etc.
Actually she watches a wide range of stuff,from Inuyasha and Avatar (wich bore me) to Appleseed and Vampire Hunter D (wich isn't bad),plus a gak load of other stuff(some "meh",some pretty cool).
chaplaingrabthar wrote:Yes, Headmasters, Masterforce, Victory, Robots in Disguise, Armada, Energon, and Cybertron are all Transformers anime series. That's why it was an easier one. How about this one, what's the anime for:
Cranky New Jersey Doctor with a bum leg diagnoses obscure diseases while helped and hindered by pointless assistants, all in a Sherlock Holmes analogy.
Closest thing that comes to mind immediately is Trauma Center. While not anime, it's Japanese media, so I'm counting it.
Albatross wrote:
Deminyn wrote:Then the bold underline part shows what needs reconciliation with the stuff above.
wikipedia wrote: While different titles and different artists have their own artistic styles, many stylistic elements have become so common that people[who?] describe them as definitive of anime in general. However, this does not mean that all modern anime share one strict, common art style. Many anime have a very different art style from what would commonly be called "anime style", yet fans still use the word "anime" to refer to these titles. Generally, the most common form of anime drawings include "exaggerated physical features such as large eyes, big hair and elongated limbs... and dramatically shaped speech bubbles, speed lines and onomatopoeic, exclamatory typography.
The stuff in bold could be considered common stylistic characteristics - note that I'm not claiming that EVERY anime/manga cartoon has them, but that they are common. I mean there has to be some unifying factors behind anime, otherwise why say you like anime? Why not just say you like a bunch of cartoons which are completely unrelated and in no way similar? It's because that statement would be untrue, no? If you recognise Anime as a style, then surely you have to accept that there are unifying forces at work. Like Rock music - do Meshuggah sound like Nirvana? Not really, but there are points of convergence.
How about this: Anime is the name of animation created by those of a Japanese nationality. Due to various unclassified styles exclusive to the Japanese industry and due to no one who isn't already interested in anime knowing any of those terms even if they were named, it is far easier to simply say "I like anime". Also, because almost all anime are crafted by Japanese culture to a degree, that could be considered the binding feature of anime.
FITZZ wrote: I much prefer this...
To this..
But then that's just my opinion.
Fair enough, I actually am tempted to agree. See, you used a DBZ DUB as opposed to the original Japanese with English subtitles that many consider superior. Because of that, I will provide something for you to judge. You gave a shounen example, so I feel obliged to replace it with something similar. Hope you like mecha.
(To be watched fullscreen with headphones)
Now that is what I define as epic. Not particularly thought provoking or scary, but mind-numbingly awesome.
Akira
Ghost in the shell
Bubblegum Crisis/AD police.
Cyber City
Appleseed
Battle Armour Dougram
Votoms
I've never actually liked Gundam (any incarnation) or Yamato, or Harlock. DBZ, pokemon, Bakugan etc are all children's cartoons with really bad dubbing. 'Fan service' anime is juvenile/sophomoric at best (jiggle cam or panty shots? I outgrew that crap years ago).
Albatross, you're not alone in disliking much of what is seen as anime these days. My clubmates think me strange because I refuse to watch what they do = but they are 17 and I am ... much older than that.
Well albatross since your wanting to avoid the school girls I reccomend Spriggan for a great action movie. Not a single scantily clad female or "big-titted schoolgirl" in the entire movie.
I lent out my copy, but if you can find this quote in the 2nd, 3rd or fourth episode of The Count of Monte Cristo... great writing
I am no longer all alone wallowing in abject solitude for I am now surrounded by the furies; the goddesses of vengeance
In the cold bosom of the darkness I awaited the dawn and once dawn came I cursed my flesh until night fell once more.
I even prayed that I would lose my sanity. but those prayers went unheeded: nothing changed. And when I strove for the
peacefulness of death, the devil's cold pitiless hand grabbed hold and held me back... Well, it won't be long now.
Count of Monte Cristo Ep 3@09:55 or so. The style is kinda... elven (or at least, the aliens are) and the colouring of the animation is pretty crazy.
Snikkyd wrote:I only like certain anime, I don't get the people who like all anime.
I seriously doubt that there's a person who would like all anime...
Actually the only reason why I posted in this topic was cause I wanted to know have any of you guys read Liar game (sadly there is only manga version of it), cause the great question came to me...
Who would win in a 40k match? Akiyama (protagonist of Liar Game) or Creed...
For those of you who havent read it I suggest you do cause the 40k game between those two would be somethin like this
Pschylogical Genius VS. Tactical Genius
I like Anime that isn't too anime-ish. I suppose the most important thing for Anime (or rather, any medium) is how well the world is set up. You know, how they pick a theme and run with it. I rather liked bleach when it started out (Soul Society Arc) because it was different, then it turned into a flying DBZ clone.
My Favorites:
FullMetal Alchemist
Trigun
Robotech (first season ONLY, Rick Hunter)
Others I've watched:
Robotech's other seasons (barfy Orkmoticon here)
Bleach
Wolf's Rain (mostly because my girlfriend at the time is a huge wolf fanatic.)
Currently watching Fate Stay Night and When They Cry right now. Both are great, but entirely different genres: Generic fighting anime on the one hand, horrifying tale of killer lolis on the other.
There are some really good anime that go against the obvious.
Guess it depends on taste and again no fighting but does have androids. The Time of Eve I thought excellent.
also only one episode sadly but Pale Cocoon looks promising. Hope they have some more episodes.
I don't mind anime in general, as it happens. Good anime is a treat to watch, which sounds like stating the obvious until you watch bad anime.
Still, it doesn't top the 90's animated Batman series for me.
I miss toonami :(
Then lets see what else is there i liked
Dragon ball Z (First couple of seasons later sucked....)
Naruto (its ok)
One Piece
Yu Yu Hakshu! (loved it)
Gundam (first couple of seasons were epic wins )
I can't remember anymore...
Yeah i use to love anime alot but I got out of it and I started getting really into the Red Vs Blue, Supernatural, and NCIS. And warehouse 13. And a few others which i can't remember
Albatross wrote: I've got some sort of 12" mind-cock...
I should sig this...I really should.
Slarg232 wrote:I like Anime that isn't too anime-ish. I suppose the most important thing for Anime (or rather, any medium) is how well the world is set up. You know, how they pick a theme and run with it.
I'd definitely agree with this here, anime that isn't too anime-ish. Studio Ghibli tends to chuff out some good ones. Princess Mononoke, and Nausicaa: Valley of the Wind. These were great mostly due to the stage they set, rather than just what happened on it.
Anime is fine ive had two old mates from school become anime freaks tho and all they do is try to talk to me about some stupid anime ive no interest in seeing and even being blunt to the point of rude about it dosent deter them they also dress up and go to conferences and sorta just fail at life.
So its not really anime i mind its the freaks that devote there life to it that put me off
Slarg232 wrote:Which ones do they keep talking to you about, Jubear? Any of the really mainstream ones?
Also, Off Topic, but could you please use punctuation? It was kind of hard to follow that run on for a bit. [/qu
Never herd of any of the them but like I said they are really hardcore into the genre so I assume its like music nerds and they are always looking for obscure Anime.
Soz about the grammar but I do my best with the time I have.
Fair enough. Some Anime is pretty good, and is worth watching even if you don't like anime in general (especially the older Animes, like Trigun or the extremely old Anime like the origional season of Robotech).
Overall I like the stylisation of the art but find some of the tropes get repetitive after you have seen a few series.
TBH if there wasn't this tag of Anime attached would it
get some of the flack?
To me it is just story telling through animation.
Some have a synthesis of a good story well told and great artwork. Some are a synthesis of gakk and dross. but it was ever thus.
There is such a broad spectrum and there is usually something to watch that I find interesting.
The other thing is it has to be SUBBED
Really detest Dubbed anime. As ever personal taste caveat applies.
Cheese Elemental wrote:Anyone around here watch Claymore? I'm told it's pretty good, but I want to be sure before I buy a DVD.
Great show, although the end kind of gets a bit weird. Not really surprising, due to a bad case of Gecko Ending, but rather annoying. There's rumors of a new version coming soon, sort of like FMA: Brotherhood, which I'm eagerly awaiting.
Also, what is it with every show I watch having a horrible downer ending? Guy gets girl, three episodes later girl dies. The end. I'm going to go back to watching When They Cry. At least that can't get any worse...
I hate pretty much all of the TV shows, but there have been a few movies I have liked, such as Spirited Away or Castle in the Sky. Oh, and Howls Moving castle. Yay for steamnpunk stuff?
GalacticDefender wrote:I hate pretty much all of the TV shows, but there have been a few movies I have liked, such as Spirited Away or Castle in the Sky. Oh, and Howls Moving castle. Yay for steamnpunk stuff?
If you're a steampunk fan, you might consider trying the series Last Exile. Very well done, although certainly not anything like Miyazaki's work.
Laughing Man wrote:Great show, although the end kind of gets a bit weird. Not really surprising, due to a bad case of Gecko Ending, but rather annoying. There's rumors of a new version coming soon, sort of like FMA: Brotherhood, which I'm eagerly awaiting.
Really?? I thought the ending fight scene between Claire and...... that crazy lady was the only thing off about the show when comparing it to the manga if I remember correctly. Other than that I thought the show pretty much followed the manga rather closely (though it's been a while since I read that battle scene).
Also, what is it with every show I watch having a horrible downer ending? Guy gets girl, three episodes later girl dies. The end. I'm going to go back to watching When They Cry. At least that can't get any worse...
Like which shows?? Seems like that either happens or they don't end up together due to some silly reason (School Rumble comes to mind). Hmmm... I'm inclined to suggest Gunparade March. It's interesting, has mechs, bugs take over the world, romance that ends well, just a decent anime, not good and not bad.. oh! and it's short (about 12 episodes).
As for the anime I'm currently watching:
Legend of the Galactic Heroes (just awesome military sci-fi)
One Piece
Ghost in the Shell 2nd G.I.G.
Cowboy Bebop
Black Lagoon 1st and 2nd Barrage (can't wait to get the 3rd Barrage about the maid from hell)
Fairy Tale
Aria
One thing that is bugging me about a few of the series I am watching.
There is always a main female character whose role is to devote all their time to looking after the hero. Cooking HUGE breakfasts even.
Strip pole.
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I honestly have no fething idea. 
