I came back from my local game store to look around and play a game and an employee told me that GW is thinking of doing a Tervigon/TyrannoFex set. like the Trygon/Mawloc set where you have the option to make either two creatures. He said the bodies might be bigger than the Normal Carnifex body and Based off the art in the Codex. I think its true because look at the two pictures in the codex. They look similar in body.



I thought it was really awesome news. I want it to be true!!!!!

Thank you for putting a question mark. I think every Tyranid player is hoping for a set like that.

I have it on authority that there will be a set for these released in the next five years, for more than you normally carry in your wallet.

Elric of Grans wrote:I have it on authority that there will be a set for these released in the next five years, for more than you normally carry in your wallet.

Holy crap! Serious? Awesome! I can't wait!

Heck yeah!!! only 5 years? Awesome sauce!! Now if it was 6 then I'd be upset.


GG

Elric of Grans wrote:I have it on authority that there will be a set for these released in the next five years, for more than you normally carry in your wallet.

More than $220.52 USD?

Kanluwen wrote:

Elric of Grans wrote:I have it on authority that there will be a set for these released in the next five years, for more than you normally carry in your wallet.

More than $220.52 USD?

*cough*Cokedealer*cough*

Nahuh!

I find that keeping anything under $200 isn't helpful if you have to do anything that requires a cash down or if you get unlucky enough to find somewhere that won't take a credit card in the case of car repairs.

The 52 cents is in case the cell phone doesn't work.

I IZ PREPARED.

That kit would be awesome. Look forward to it coming out before the Dark Eldar codex =D

Oshova

GW really does live in some sort of fantasy world.

*Creates units that Every Tyranid Player Ever will want to have
*Does not create kit for it
*?
*Profit?

Railguns wrote:GW really does live in some sort of fantasy world.

*Creates units that Every Tyranid Player Ever will want to have
*Does not create kit for it
*?
*Profit?

Ya its been that way for a while sad but true. Hopefully sets will come out within the year.

Railguns wrote:GW really does live in some sort of fantasy world.

*Creates units that Every Tyranid Player Ever will want to have
*Does not create kit for it
*?
*Profit?

Not to break the South Park reference, but the following does seem logically sound from the perspective of a GW-apologetic:

1 - Create unit that every Tyranid Player will want to have
2 - Don't spend money and time creating a kit/model for it
3 - People convert model using Carnifex, Trygon, Stegadon, and/or Tryanid Bits Sprues; some people buy more than one.
4 - More profit!

GW sells more kits, more sprues, and does not need to spend money on R&D and on creating expensive plastic injection-molds. Instead, GW can stand back and smile knowing it gave us metal models whose molds are much cheaper to manufacture. Until then, I'm putting naughty-bits on my now-mostly-obsolete Carnifex and calling it a Tervigon.

South Park Reference?

In any case, either GW is shamefully ignorant of what they're doing when they re-write codexes, or they are shamefully evil and manipulative. They usually don't come off as coordinated or smart enough to convincingly look the second.

Something to keep in mind is how GW has been working lately. The models are really turning out to resemble the artwork. Take the Ork Battlewagon, for instance. It was released a while after the Codex, looked like the picture, and now we no longer have to put up with crappy toilet-roll and construction-paper $%^&-wagons that losers with no modeling skill were trying to pass off as battlewagons. The people with well-modeled battlewagons or Forgeworld kits carried on as usual.

I want one of theese too! I want a tervigon! Though i won't be holding my breath.

I think GW does do these kind of things on purpose, for the swarmlord for example they say "Mr. Whatshisface built this swarmlord using a hive tyrant kit and the boneswords from 4 KITS (hint, hint, nudge, nudge)" Do they really expect us to buy 4 £30 kits to convert a swarmlord!!??

I would like for a tyrannofex/tervigon kit to come out though.

While doing research for new kits, I have heard from numerous well-informed sources that GW does NOT plan on releasing any Tyranid new kits this year...

Take that for what its worth, but I think GW seriously thinks we will buy a carnifex and trygon kit for every tervigon we want.

Nick

Does that mean Chapterhouse has an "Bugasaur Queen" in the works?

Dunno, do you know something I dont?

Chapterhouse wrote:Take that for what its worth, but I think GW seriously thinks we will buy a carnifex and trygon kit for every tervigon we want.

I don't think you need a trygon kit. It looks easy enough to do with a carnifex, a few spare termagants and a couple of monstrous arms bitz packs.

Or about 20$ in Greenstuff, carnifex model and some sculpting skill, so about $65?

Chapterhouse wrote:While doing research for new kits, I have heard from numerous well-informed sources that GW does NOT plan on releasing any Tyranid new kits this year...

Take that for what its worth, but I think GW seriously thinks we will buy a carnifex and trygon kit for every tervigon we want.

Nick

Doesn't mean it won't be a Forge World kit.

Well, when the employee told me, He repeated about 4 times "They might" I hope it's a least a Forge World kit. Remember when the Codex was released people were spreading rumors of a Mycetic Spore model coming out in December 2010 or next year of Jan? Maybe a 2nd wave is coming! I don't see why they have to stop making tyranid kits for this year!! What are they gonna release for the summer? or how about if they aren't gonna do it, we bug them to.

It seems awfully strange that FW haven't released any Nid stuff for the new codex - that could either mean they're busy sculpting something right now, or that they've been told not to because GW has some nid kits at least planned.

FW are too busy doing Orks, Eldar, Raven Guard and more Elysians. Their plates are full.

I doubt the "wave" plan of model release will see any new Tyranid kits. It's been erratic and unreliable as far as schedules and what actually gets released is concerned, leading me to believe that it isn't so much a plan as it is a backdoor for "we don't want to work on these things right now (for whatever reason) so we'll get to it later". The "GW just wants us to go buy a bajillion dollars in extra kits to make one model" thing seems like a tinfoil hat extrapolation from suggestions they made to cover their lack of an actual model. I'd love for their to be a combined kit but it who knows if it ever gets released at all. How long did it take for Orks to get models for every unit? Space Marines get multiple versions for each one as far as I know while some armies never even get Forgeworld options for some things. It's silly and an elementary mistake for a company as large as GW to be making.

I say we spread the rumor. I really want this to be true.
My big brother was there with me I don't think he heard though. But why should they not make this set? It sounds like an AWESOME idea for a set!!! Just because they released Tyranids recently doesn't mean we will be angry at them if they surprise us!!! come on GW make this come true!!!

H.B.M.C. wrote:FW are too busy doing Orks, Eldar, Raven Guard and more Elysians. Their plates are full.

Some of GW's "mainstream" sculptors also do work for Forge World.

I would be very surprised if we don't see something, either way.

Meh, I hope it takes a few years.
I'm enjoying seeing what modelers are coming up with.

Doesn't matter really. Even if there was a Tervigon/Trannofex/Misanthrope kit on the way, GW would rather go to their graves early than tell us anything about it.

Kanluwen wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:FW are too busy doing Orks, Eldar, Raven Guard and more Elysians. Their plates are full.

Some of GW's "mainstream" sculptors also do work for Forge World.

I would be very surprised if we don't see something, either way.

Is the GW sculptor team big?? How many people do they have?

Warboss Narznok has a good point. The more I look at those pictures, the more I'm convinced it would be a fairly simple matter to make a Trygon/Mawloc-style kit for them.

Oh I agree - the two are quite similar and it would essentially be a body and the same back legs, and then different pieces for each creature:

1. Tervigon - Front spines, bigger head, scything talon arms and second arms, and something to represent the next of T-Gaunts underneath it.
2. Tyrannofex - Heavy-set front legs, second set of arms curve forward into the gun, smaller head, and a single piece of 'armour' that goes where the spines launchers would go on the Tervigon kit.

Quite simple realy.

Railguns wrote:GW really does live in some sort of fantasy world.

*Creates units that Every Tyranid Player Ever will want to have
*Does not create kit for it
*?
*Profit?

Yeah, they did the same thing for Space Wolves with TWC. Now don't get me wrong, I like that they made these new, awesome units, and would hate for them to limit themselves purely to writing rules for units that actually have models, but it's still kind of funny.

Eldar Own wrote:Do they really expect us to buy 4 £30 kits to convert a swarmlord!!??

Yes. Like you said, it was a very shameless "wink wink, nudge nudge" moment.

I am looking foward to this, if it does come true, but I would probably just build my own Tervigon. *Looks evilly at Aduro's Tervigon*

It's called the Vendetta rule.

In 4th edition it was known as the drop pod rule.

No one can explain it.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It's called the Vendetta rule.

In 4th edition it was known as the drop pod rule.

No one can explain it.

Was it the Wave Serpent Rule in 3rd Edition?

And the Land Raider rule in 2nd?

I wish they could come out with a Kit for it, I hate Converting.

It is what it is,unfortunately. With GW's resources and the time and expense to make the plastic molds,it just seems like they may have bigger things on their plates for the year. While BA's releases will be fairly easy to do,as most of them will center around bit sprues for existing kits,if Inquisition is truely after BA,well,there's two full fig lines that have to be redone in plastics. A Tervigon/Tyrannofex kit will be awesome when they get to it,but plastic GK's and SoB has got to be a higher priority. Hopefully,we get a kit for them in a 2nd wave release next year.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It's called the Vendetta rule.

In 4th edition it was known as the drop pod rule.

No one can explain it.

In the old codex, I actually thought that what they called "command centers" in the colored pics were drop pods. So in other words, another squarish-looking thing like a rhino without tracks.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:It's called the Vendetta rule.

In 4th edition it was known as the drop pod rule.

No one can explain it.

Was it the Wave Serpent Rule in 3rd Edition?

And the Land Raider rule in 2nd?

Yep. And in Rogue Trader days we called it the Enslaver rule. Oh GW why do you tease us so?

I don't think they know.

Does that mean Chapterhouse has an "Bugasaur Queen" in the works?

Yes.

Or about 20$ in Greenstuff, carnifex model and some sculpting skill, so about $65?

And a helluva lot of spare time, patience not of this world and long fingernails to bite at in frustration. That kind of sums it up quite well.

Doesn't mean it won't be a Forge World kit.

For 200 bucks, no thankyou!

My nid army will be a Genestealer cult so trucks and tanks can sub for them.

Warboss Narznok wrote:I came back from my local game store to look around and play a game and an employee told me that GW is thinking of doing a Tervigon/TyrannoFex set. like the Trygon/Mawloc set where you have the option to make either two creatures. He said the bodies might be bigger than the Normal Carnifex body and Based off the art in the Codex. I think its true because look at the two pictures in the codex. They look similar in body.



I thought it was really awesome news. I want it to be true!!!!!

Forgeworld, more likely. Theyre the ones that do these sorts of varient model kits. GW rolls more in the mass production injected plastics range. Forgeworld does the special ops high speed vareation models.

Well if GW decides not to do it. I think we should bother them to make it!! It's an AWESOME idea. and these creatures deserve a kit. I say we make it come true!!

It might be the case that Forgeworld comes out with a conversion kit for the Carnifex kit.

Nurglitch wrote:It might be the case that Forgeworld comes out with a conversion kit for the Carnifex kit.

But the Tervigon/TyrannoFex are bigger than the normal Carmifex.

Nurglitch wrote:It might be the case that Forgeworld comes out with a conversion kit for the Carnifex kit.

I for one do not want to pay 55$ for a Forge World conversion kit and then 45$ for the carnifex.

Either that or it will be $95+ from Forgeworld for a new sculpt (look a the old resin Droppod - $90).

but the whole thing with IG Vendetta isn't exactly true as there is the $20 conversion kit from forgeworld

Yeah I don't think FW really counts here. They had a Wave Serpent kit for years, if you'll all recall.

I'd go so far as to say most of the 'normal' 40K players in the workd (Ages 8-15) don't even know about Forge World, or at least have any idea what they do exactly. And that's because, strange as it may sound, most people aren't like us, and don't obsess over these things like we do.

WHAT!? Other people aren't like us!? What's this ludcrous statement!?

But seriously, I do think that GW should make FW a more advertised company, they could deffinetly increase their sales.

And I think this is deffiently a project for GW, a tervigon/tyrannofex is more of a plastic model with multiple parts than a more pre-determined FW product.

Oshova

Chapterhouse wrote:While doing research for new kits, I have heard from numerous well-informed sources that GW does NOT plan on releasing any Tyranid new kits this year...

Take that for what its worth, but I think GW seriously thinks we will buy a carnifex and trygon kit for every tervigon we want.

Nick

I agree, I don't think we'll see any new Tyranid models for quite some time, if they were going to do a new plastic kit for a big beastie like this it'd have to be rolled out when the codex "launched". The big release for this release was/is the Tyrgon.

As others have said FW are very busy.. they have all manner of fantastic release heading our way, and, despite it making sense to me, you and pretty much every other poster and GW customer it does not appear to be in FW's brief or plans for them to fill in or make models to fill in holes in the existing army ranges.

Isn´t it so that with the Tervigon they want to sell more termagants ? Well that is what I think , bcoz I don´t think they would make the rules like they are if they didn´t !!! Putting it as a troop choice and all .

Well how many played a termagant army before ? Most of the Tyranid players have genestealers or hormagaunts , right ?

And yes , for the sake of the initial cause of this thread , I think the carnifex is a good substitute for a Tervigon with minor arrangement´s . But with that said I would rather see a model made by GW before release ...

Unskul ...

Nurglitch wrote:It might be the case that Forgeworld comes out with a conversion kit for the Carnifex kit.

I highly doubt it will be a conversion for an existing kit. The Carnifex doesn't bear much resemblance at all to the Tervigon/Tyrannofex,IMO,and judging by the 6 wounds in the profile and the scale shown in the artwork,they're a lot bigger than the Carnifex,as well. I'd say they're probably Land Raider sized,from a width standpoint,and obviously a little taller. They'll probably have to make a new base for the things. I'm afraid that people that spend the time and money to do conversions out of existing kits are going to be sorely dissappointed when the things are nowhere near as big as what they're suppossed to be when the kits for these finally drop.

Whatever1:

That's why I imagined a conversion kit. I figure they'll make a specific body and head to which the arms and legs of a Carnifex could be attached.

Unskul wrote:
Isn´t it so that with the Tervigon they want to sell more termagants ? Well that is what I think , bcoz I don´t think they would make the rules like they are if they didn´t !!! Putting it as a troop choice and all .

Well how many played a termagant army before ? Most of the Tyranid players have genestealers or hormagaunts , right ?

And yes , for the sake of the initial cause of this thread , I think the carnifex is a good substitute for a Tervigon with minor arrangement´s . But with that said I would rather see a model made by GW before release ...

Unskul ...

Nope, everyone that plays tyranids from before has a ton of termigants. Anyone buyin gTyranids will end up with a ton of termigants.

Why make a kit for either beast when they can con people into buying multiple Carnifex and Trygon kits to make their own and then take the units out of the book next time around because all of the WAAC kiddies were being bad about it?

Nurglitch wrote:Whatever1:

That's why I imagined a conversion kit. I figure they'll make a specific body and head to which the arms and legs of a Carnifex could be attached.

The 'fex's legs are nowhere even close to the Tervigon/Tyrannofex,however. You could use the Scything Talon arms for legs,I supposse,but everything else in the 'fex kit is wasted(or you could just build a 'fex with different options). If FW was going to do that,then they'd probably just sell the resin pieces with a couple of Tyranid monstrous creature arm sprues instead of a complete 'fex kit.

The back legs in both pictures are standard big Tyranid hooved dog-legs. The front pairs of legs of a Tervigon are thin-scything talons, while the front pair of legs of a Tyrannofex are more like the scything talons on a Trygon, thick and blunt. The front parts of either carapace are like the alternate carapace fronts on the Carnifex models.

Considering the options for Tervigons include Crushing Claws, and a number of other options, I figure just a Tervigon Body and a Tyrannofex Body work just fine.

Kanluwen wrote:More than $220.52 USD?

I'd guess $90 USD for the combo kit.

While the Codex pic suggests straightforward conversions from Trygon or Carnifex kits, other companies work on models that might be used as Tervigon and Tyrannofex, e.g. by Troll Forged and Chapterhouse.

BTW, until then I will use my old Armorcast Malefactor as Tervigon and Exocrine as Tyrannofex.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:More than $220.52 USD?

I'd guess $90 USD for the combo kit.

It was a poor joke, as that's what's in my wallet


But yeah. $90 sounds about right, if I had to guess. Depends on if the thing is the size of a Baneblade or a Valkyrie(in which case, I'd be surprised if it was more than $60).

I think it'll be about the size of a Land Raider sitting on a Defiler, give or take.

Why not a Valkyrie sitting on a Sentinel?

That would just be silly.

so good sources say that GW isn't coming out with new tyranid models
haha good sources. I think the second wave is coming sooner than we think.
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Kanluwen wrote:Nahuh!

I find that keeping anything under $200 isn't helpful if you have to do anything that requires a cash down or if you get unlucky enough to find somewhere that won't take a credit card in the case of car repairs.

The 52 cents is in case the cell phone doesn't work.

I IZ PREPARED.

QFT...but your also a *cough* coke dealer *cough*

cant coke dealers be prepared too?!?

That picture is a conversion of a Trygon/Mawloc.

What's a Tremorbeast?

Why is that Trygon/Mawloc holding strange weapons?

Where did that picture come from?

Looks like someone has put Venomthrope lash whips in its mouth and added old-school warrior devourers




[Edited for typo]

Absolutionis wrote:Where did that picture come from?

The February White Dwarf with the Beastmen cover. It's from an article on Trygons in apocalypse.

Yeah, it's a special trygon that laid waste to the iron warriors and all their fortresses to overrun their homeworld of forgefane. He even ate the warsmith (chapter master). A great conversion with no rules. Speaking of which, pretty much all the tyranid apocalypse needs new rules now with all the changes.

Those claws would look pretty good on a Trygon Prime to distinguish it further from a normal Trygon

Ummm yeah good sources say no future waves this year..
Why are you showing pictures of a converted Trygon, wondering what that means...

A cheap alternative to buying the GW Carnifex and Trygon kits and trying to create a Tervigon is to go on e-bay and search for the old Armorcast Dactylis and Exocrine resin models. I have several of each and intend to use them for these creatures.

While I like the exocrine, im not a big fan of the others.. they look like Jim Henson muppets to me

Why is it some people have such a hard time identifying conversions? I've seen this exact thing happen before, someone sees an obviously converted model either on GW's site or in White Dwarf, and immediately assumes it's a brand new kit coming out, despite the fact that it looks almost exactly like a mawloc but with extra bits stuck on.

Do you think a heirodule fro forge world would make a good base for the Tyranno fex? Use the arms for something else and make the different biocannons out of bits?

GG

I am almost certain that the Tyrannofex was designed to bring something like the barbed hierodule (or old Exocrine) into the new Codex. The book is full of homages to old stuff (and FW stuff), ranging from strangle web gaunts to zoat-posed Hive guard. That's why I use my old Armorcast Malefactors as tervigons and Exocrines as Tyrannofexes.

Kroothawk, I do the same thing. I finally get to take my armorcast down from the shelf...

I also use my zoats as hive guard. Old school ftw!

Am I the only one who doesn't like having a bunch of bugs based off the 'fex? Seems like we're turning the 'fex into a Rhino chassis - a generic base that you slap different weapons onto. I'd rather see something a little more unique as we go from bug to bigger bug.

Kroothawk wrote:I am almost certain that the Tyrannofex was designed to bring something like the barbed hierodule (or old Exocrine) into the new Codex. The book is full of homages to old stuff (and FW stuff), ranging from strangle web gaunts to zoat-posed Hive guard. That's why I use my old Armorcast Malefactors as tervigons and Exocrines as Tyrannofexes.

I actually forgot about the "barbed" heirodule. I think that makes a peerfect tyrannofex with the strength 10 wepons anyway. You would have to come up with some conversion for the other weapons.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/bhier.htm

And the scythed heirodule would make a decent Tervigon with it's but sticking up in the air as if it's getting ready to give birth.

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/shier.htm

GG

Nyhil wrote:Kroothawk, I do the same thing. I finally get to take my armorcast down from the shelf...

I also use my zoats as hive guard. Old school ftw!

I thought I was the only one who thought Hive Guard were the new Zoats!

Actually the Codex deliberately uses the expression "centaur-like pose" in the Hive Guard's flavour text.

Xenolich over at Warpshadow asked GW about the possibility of a new Tervigon kit. Here is the answer

GW wrote:Hello,
There are no plans, that we know of, to make a model for the Tervigon. You will need to convert one if you want to use it in your army.

Thanks!
John Spencer
Customer Service Specialist

What a poor decision, honestly. I've said it before, but they basically looked at the codex and said "Okay, we're gonna make two similar monsters with different roles that everyone who has ever played Tyranids, and everyone who will be starting Tyranids, will want to have...."

"Every last one, you say?"

"Yes. All of them."

"Welp, we'd better not make a kit for them; our money barrels are already full and we don't want to go back to the barrel store because the staff was surly. I think they muttered an insult to my wife."

"So give them the drop pod treatment then?"

"If you had to ask, you're fired."

This is a response from a customer service rep in the US, who deals with mispacks and issues all day. They are not privy to what is coming down the pipeline any more than the next person. GW has a serious lockdown on all info even among its own staff, so this is not a definite answer if a kit is coming in the future or not.

When SM,IG and Ork could have new kits release all over a year, other races renew their products slowly. Some don't have a second-wave release.

And there are always some units which were powerful in codex and popular in lists, but have no plastic kits, or even have no model at all.

Nob biker.(Finnally they got a FW release)
Fzorgle.
Pleague bearer. (Many player complained that WFB zombies looks better)
TWC.
Tervigon/Tyrannofex.
And Bloodraven now.

is there ment to be a kit coming out

Am I the only one who doesn't like having a bunch of bugs based off the 'fex? Seems like we're turning the 'fex into a Rhino chassis - a generic base that you slap different weapons onto.

Basing new creatures and models on existing designs not only allows GW to re-use existing sprues, which saves them money, but it allows model converters to convert those new creatures from existing kits without having to sculpt an entire creature from scratch, something that's beyond nearly all of even the most talented converters. I don't think most hobbyists mind the use of existing designs as the basis for new creations and gamers who dislike or are unable to do complex conversions most certainly don't mind it as they simply want an acceptable model to use in their games with a minimum of fuss. Re-use of design elements also gives all the models in an army a coherent look that is generally desirable. I for one was glad that the Tyrannofex shares a lot of elements with the Carnifex based on the artwork in the Codex. It took me most of my hobby time for a week to widen and sculpt new elements onto the model as it is. I don't think I would have tackled the project at all if I had needed to build the entire model from scratch.

That and add the fact we all have a bunch of pretty useless carnifi laying around now :(...

Chapterhouse wrote:That and add the fact we all have a bunch of pretty useless carnifi laying around now :(...

Sounds like buyer's remorse to me.

I never understood why everyone thought it was a good idea to go out and buy 6 Car-foxs in the first place. "Let's go get some stock in enron, purchase some disco clothes - man, this ride will never end!"

Then they swing back to appropriate point costs, considering the redundancy of them in the list and everyone moans their "useless fexs".

I'm honestly very darkly fulfilled reading comments about people bemoaning their decision to purchase units for a tournament list. Every argument has always been, "if I don't Monster up, how can I win with the standard codex?".

The real monster enthusiasts are much more excited about the new book, and the power-gamers are all left to convert them into other, more "useful things."

Hah-hah.

It seems that Defiler is actually a real-life example of a DCGM member.

BrassScorpion wrote:

Am I the only one who doesn't like having a bunch of bugs based off the 'fex? Seems like we're turning the 'fex into a Rhino chassis - a generic base that you slap different weapons onto.

Basing new creatures and models on existing designs not only allows GW to re-use existing sprues, which saves them money, but it allows model converters to convert those new creatures from existing kits without having to sculpt an entire creature from scratch, something that's beyond nearly all of even the most talented converters. I don't think most hobbyists mind the use of existing designs as the basis for new creations and gamers who dislike or are unable to do complex conversions most certainly don't mind it as they simply want an acceptable model to use in their games with a minimum of fuss. Re-use of design elements also gives all the models in an army a coherent look that is generally desirable. I for one was glad that the Tyrannofex shares a lot of elements with the Carnifex based on the artwork in the Codex. It took me most of my hobby time for a week to widen and sculpt new elements onto the model as it is. I don't think I would have tackled the project at all if I had needed to build the entire model from scratch.

+1

I feel the same way. Personally, I use mawlocs and tervigons. This is a marriage made in kitbash heaven. With a Carnifex box and the smaller talons from the mawloc set, I can craft a fairly convincing Tervigon. Bash two big guns together (or guns with girth) and I could come up with a tyrannofex, I'm sure (I just haven't been able to convince myself to spend 250 points on a 2-shot Str 10 weapon or 20 shot str 4 weapon). And then, I use the remaining pieces of the carnifex set to kit out my tyrants and happily put together the mawloc as it is intended to be assembled.

Chapterhouse wrote:That and add the fact we all have a bunch of pretty useless carnifi laying around now :(...

Yeah it's terrible when an obviously and remarkably undercosted unit gets a stat boost and is then costed appropriately with other similarly capable units. The fex is far from useless in it's current iteration, it's just not the only choice worth taking in the codex anymore. The big issue with the model is that it went from something capable of supporting an army all by its lonesome when taken en masse to it's rightful place as a hard attack unit meant to lead a combined arms force.

Yes it is pretty much useless. Why would any smart player take a 160 point tougness 6 with 4 wound creature (and slow and low attacks and initiative).

When they can take a little more expensive, fleeting, 6 attack, init 4, 6 wound creature?

A smart player usually wont.

So yes, the carnifi are much useless after the codex came out.

Why was this thread taken off topic again (My post added ideas on what the players can do to make a tyranofex and tervigon..).

Chapterhouse wrote:Yes it is pretty much useless. Why would any smart player take a 160 point tougness 6 with 4 wound creature (and slow and low attacks and initiative).

When they can take a little more expensive, fleeting, 6 attack, init 4, 6 wound creature?

A smart player usually wont.

So yes, the carnifi are much useless after the codex came out.

Why was this thread taken off topic again (My post added ideas on what the players can do to make a tyranofex and tervigon..).

Well,I wouldn't say they're useless. However,it seems like they're very co-dependant on other units in the 'nid 'dex(Venomthropes to provide 5+ cover and defensive grenades,Tervigon to give FNP,Hive Tyrant for Preferred Enemy) to get optimum use out of them. IMO,they would've been 10x better if you could equip them differently in a brood to get wound allocation,but they'll still soak a ton of fire and still cause massive damage if they reach your opponent's battleline. Str 9 also has it's uses. While in a lot of cases,Str 6 is just as good,Str 9 ID's T4. The 'fexes can insta-gib most HQ's and make short work of T4 multi-wound units like Warriors,Raveners,Nobz,etc,that will tie up a Tervigon for a while. The 'fex is also a much more effective tank buster because of it's high strength. So,the 'fexes still have their uses,it's just up to the player to get them into position to use their unique strengths.

Shep tested out using Carnifexes in squadrons and had OK succes with it.
Str.9 and the rerolls from twin scythes made short work of even fast moving transports. Their footprint (and the tactical use of the rest of the army) made it near impossible for the vehicles to escape the fexes (and the supporting Trygons).

***UPDATE***

There will apparently be another wave of Tyranids coming soon, possibly a 3rd after that.

A Harpy is supposedly due with the "Summer of Flyers" 40k release, but that's not a part of the wave. This 2nd wave will either be in the fall or winter, and hopefully not pushed back any further. Think of how the Dark Eldar got some wave releases around and during the time of the new Grey Knights release, and expect this wave to be rather quiet alongside either the Tau or Necrons.

The models are said to be:

Tyrannofex/Tervigon (plastic kit - roughly US $50, like the Trygon)
Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord (plastic kit - roughly US $53, like the Dreadknight - if you've seen the size of the Swarmlord in Dawn of War 2: Retribution, you have the right idea...)
The Doom of Malan'tai (either metal, or that new resin/plastic hybrid we've been hearing about)
Special Edition Ymgarl Genestealer (1 mold only, Direct Order only)

Take with enough salt to season pasta water.

Hopefully the Hive Tyrant/Swarmlord will still be on the 60mm, otherwise alot of players will have to rebase their swarmlords.

Too bad Fail-tobucket somehow lost the images posted a year ago I don't recall seeing. *moan*

Thread Necromancy is against the rules, yo.