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SAN DIEGO (AP) — Anger boiled over on the University of California San Diego campus Friday, where students took over the chancellor's office for several hours to protest the hanging of a noose in a campus library.
Students wearing red handkerchiefs over their faces blocked the doors to Chancellor Marye Anne Fox's offices for hours, while more students inside chanted "Real pain, real change."

They left the office peacefully at sundown, about the same time that leaders of the university's Black Student Union ended talks with administrators in a nearby conference room over demands that include more boosting the African-American curriculum and campus activities. A university spokesman, Jeff Gattas, said there were no arrests and no property was damaged during the takeover.

The noose found dangling from a light fixture on the seventh floor of Geisel Library on Thursday night was the latest in a string of racially charged incidents in the university community, authorities said Friday. Less than two weeks ago, an off-campus party mocking Black History Month ignited racial tensions.

A University of California statement said a student admitted she and two other people were responsible. The statement did not identify the students or their race or include a motive.

In a news conference Friday afternoon, Fox said the student has been suspended but declined to discuss her motive or other students involved.

"This person admitted her involvement in what we consider to be an abhorrent act," said Fox.

Hundreds of students rallied for several hours outside the university administration building Friday, where speakers denounced the noose as an example of intolerance on a campus where less than 2% of students are black.

UC and campus authorities did not indicate whether the students would be charged with a hate crime. Under state law, hanging a noose to terrorize is punishable by up to a year in jail.

"Whatever the intent of the authors of this act, it was a despicable expression of racial hatred, and we are outraged," the UC statement said. "It has no place in civilized society, and it will not be tolerated."

To blacks, a noose recalls the days of widespread racism and lynchings.

"How am I supposed to walk into that building? How am I ever going to be safe there?" said ethnic studies major Cheyenne Stevens, who is black.

Mustafa Shahryar, 21, said he had seen the noose as he left the library.

Shahryar, who is from Afghanistan, told the crowd he grew accustomed to racial slurs while growing up in Southern California but was stunned to see the noose.

"Nothing phased me until last night," he said. "I just took that noose as an attack on all of us."

Leaders of the Black Student Union said they were disappointed with the administration's response to their list of 32 demands. The school agreed to many, such as funding a vacant position for program coordinator for an African American Studies minor.

But the administration said requiring undergraduates to take courses in African-American, ethnic and gender studies was beyond its scope of authority. Funding the Black Student Union, it said, depended on state funding and decisions of the student government.

The administration plans to resume talks with the students Monday, said Danny Widener, a history professor who supports the Black Student Union and participated in Friday's discussions.

The school — where about 2% students are black — has been in turmoil over an off-campus "Compton Cookout" party organized by some students that urged people to dress as ghetto stereotypes and promised there would be chicken, watermelon and malt liquor.

Fox condemned the party, and the school began an investigation to determine if any students might face discipline. The school also initiated a campus-wide "Battle Hate" campaign.

Campus administrators held a "teach-in" against intolerance on Wednesday. The same day, hundreds of students from UCSD and other universities staged a campus protest, demanding that officials make more efforts to combat racism.

Some students countered that the reaction to the party had been overblown.

Last week, the Associated Students president pulled funding from a student-run TV station after The Koala — a campus media outlet with a reputation for being offensive — came out in support of the party, called black students ungrateful and used a derogatory term for African-Americans during a program.

Frazzled wrote:"How am I supposed to walk into that building? How am I ever going to be safe there?" said ethnic studies major Cheyenne Stevens, who is black.

Last week, the Associated Students president pulled funding from a student-run TV station after The Koala — a campus media outlet with a reputation for being offensive — came out in support of the party, called black students ungrateful and used a derogatory term for African-Americans during a program.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Although given the way pretty much everything is blown out of all proportions by the media, who knows what really happened and for what reasons?

Kilkrazy wrote:It would be better to have a unbiased course which includes the perspective of all racial groups.

Kilkrazy wrote:

It would be better to have a unbiased course which includes the perspective of all racial groups.

Frazzled wrote:Like math, science, business, geology, all that hard sciency stuff?

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Like math, science, business, geology, all that hard sciency stuff?

I assume here that you are talking to me?

I don't know the exact mechanics of the US system, but generally here in the UK you will pick a single subject, or two subjects which are generally closely related (although I have seen courses drawn together from 2 different study areas, similar to how I believe the US system works). All of these choices are offered by the university and as far as I am aware, you cannot just go in and ask to do subjects x and y, even if they are both offered as individual courses by the university. They have to be offered as a single degree choice.

So if you wanted to do "maths and German", you have to check the university offered a degree which was "maths with German" (or "German with maths"), rather than being able to pick the two subjects and just make your own degree..

Do American universities allow you to just pick a single subject? Or do you have to pick two different ones?

I personally believe that it is best to be the master of one subject, rather than the jack of several.

squilverine wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

It would be better to have a unbiased course which includes the perspective of all racial groups.

Agreed, but with so many different veiwpoints on most events in history and belief systems I don't know how practical this would be. It could potentialy cause more upset and confusion than it solved.

What concerns me the most is that the college gave in to demands (regardless of what they were) from a group acting in a violent and threatening manner. Not a good precident to set.

Frazzled wrote:Talking to KK actually. No, my point is, if you want nonbiased, go for a nonbiased degree (which usually are more employable as well). Keeps the hippy tree hugger (or right wing fascist goosestepper depending on your point of view) nonsense to a minimum. Also it helps if you believe nothing anyone tells you unless you research it yourself. In the words of the immortal bard: :Everything you have been told is a lie."

SilverMK2 wrote:Do American universities allow you to just pick a single subject? Or do you have to pick two different ones?

I personally believe that it is best to be the master of one subject, rather than the jack of several.

sebster wrote:I love student politics, everyone is so serious about the completely trivial. There's real problems in the world, and then there's students inventing their own outrages.

In the US you have one general year of study before choosing your major. I really like the idea of kids doing a year of the liberal arts before going on to their major, I'm pleased my own university will be instituting a similar teaching plan from 2012. But then I'm one of those guys that likes the idea of university teaching kids to think, not just teaching them a job.

sebster wrote:I love student politics, everyone is so serious about the completely trivial. There's real problems in the world, and then there's students inventing their own outrages.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Talking to KK actually. No, my point is, if you want nonbiased, go for a nonbiased degree (which usually are more employable as well). Keeps the hippy tree hugger (or right wing fascist goosestepper depending on your point of view) nonsense to a minimum. Also it helps if you believe nothing anyone tells you unless you research it yourself. In the words of the immortal bard: :Everything you have been told is a lie."

Ah, gotcha.

Yes, I was thinking of posting something similar to that, but could not think how to phrase it.

And it is my belief that universities only offer such... fluffy courses (I mean really, WTH is "ethnic studies"?) to pay for the important, resource hungry subjects that we actually need... maths, science, computing, engineering, medicine, etc.

After all, you only need 1 teacher and a couple of books to teach 120 English students, but you need a teacher (or even several teachers), a lab, chemicals, lab techs, etc to teach about 20 science strudents.

Hell, in my degree/masters I used about 7 or 8 different labs (including 1 which dealt with live human tissue and 3 electronics labs), about 4 different computer networks, a super computer, a morgue/dissection room and enough specialised equipment to beat a badger to death.

SilverMK2 wrote:
Do American universities allow you to just pick a single subject? Or do you have to pick two different ones?

SilverMK2 wrote:
I personally believe that it is best to be the master of one subject, rather than the jack of several.

Kilkrazy wrote:You might be surprised how much science there is in a business degree, ranging from quantitative methods to social and cognitive psychology.

Kilkrazy wrote:The majority power group often find it hard to understand that the default version of history/culture/social issues taught is their version.

From that perspective, black students are forced to take white oriented courses and it is not unreasonable maybe for them to want the favor to be returned. It isn't possible as the law stands now.

It would be better to have a unbiased course which includes the perspective of all racial groups.

JEB_Stuart wrote:Its hard enough to agree on major events now, Lets not make it any worse.

dogma wrote:Its not really that difficult in any case. All you really need to do is apply some judicious qualification, which really should be at the forefront of any academic's mind; ie. according to author X, group Y took action Z, as opposed to group Y took action Z

JEB_Stuart wrote:That really is the methodology being used, at least it was in our history department. But really the problem isn't a matter of misrepresentation, but quite simply a lack of resources. Since the academic standard for historical research is the use of primary sources, how are we going to be able to uphold that standard if you try and teach something from multiple perspectives? Sure some empires, the Ottomans, Mughals, etc were educated, cultured and have sources for us to use, but other areas such as the colonization of Africa and the Americas is based solely on Western observers.

JEB_Stuart wrote:
Personally I don't think that history for example is taught from a particularly white perspective. I read sources from a wide perspective for any class that I took in college, especially for Medieval and Classical history. This whole idea of a racial perspective on history is a very recent phenomena, ie past 150 years.Pre-Victorian era historians merely recorded what they saw, with very little being racially motivated. In fact if you read things from explorers like Marco Polo you find Europeans who marvel at and admire the cultures they travel in, and not vice-versa.

dogma wrote:Generally you would just point out the holes in your source material, and generate speculation along the various lines of logical possibility. A glorious victory, can also be a terrible defeat, and other such things.

dogma wrote:It goes back, at the very least, to the Mongol conquests. Though that would've been the first time Western Europe made significant contact with a truly alien culture, and given the hostility of that event the results are understandable.

dogma wrote:That said, the vast majority of 'racially neutral history' is the direct result of Said's Orientalism critique. Now, while I'm no fan of that particular argument as presented, the man certainly had a valid point. You can see similar issues today when people accept worst case scenarios involving a nuclear Iran as being the most likely to be true.

Commissar Molotov wrote:The other stuff - the insensitive party and the media in support of it - is indeed trivial and not worth mentioning...

But the noose is serious business. That's definitely a hate crime, and was most certainly placed to "send a message." Not as flamboyant as the old burning cross, admittedly, but just as chilling.

They definitely had a right to be pissed.

SilverMK2 wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Like math, science, business, geology, all that hard sciency stuff?

I assume here that you are talking to me?

I don't know the exact mechanics of the US system, but generally here in the UK you will pick a single subject, or two subjects which are generally closely related (although I have seen courses drawn together from 2 different study areas, similar to how I believe the US system works). All of these choices are offered by the university and as far as I am aware, you cannot just go in and ask to do subjects x and y, even if they are both offered as individual courses by the university. They have to be offered as a single degree choice.

So if you wanted to do "maths and German", you have to check the university offered a degree which was "maths with German" (or "German with maths"), rather than being able to pick the two subjects and just make your own degree..

Do American universities allow you to just pick a single subject? Or do you have to pick two different ones?

I personally believe that it is best to be the master of one subject, rather than the jack of several.

JEB_Stuart wrote:You can't do that and hope to gain any reasonable credibility. History is full of illogical people, so you can't expect logic to apply to it. Logic says Britain should have crushed the American Revolution, Germany wouldn't have declared war on the US, etc, etc. Simply put, we can only make points if they are based on credible history.

JEB_Stuart wrote:
Trust me, I applied logic in just one paper in college, and it went poorly for me. My professor had a long chat with me on how logic is great in other fields, but it doesn't work in History.

JEB_Stuart wrote:
The Mongol conquests against Rome? Or the later incursions?

JEB_Stuart wrote:
That is why you don't mix politics and conjecture into this branch of academia. It is a very dangerous path to take, and one that I am not willing to try and take.

Frazzled wrote:Just once I'd like to see "angry college students attempt to swarm admin building, college police perform provolone beat down with mass tasering." Where's Mall Cop when you need him?

Frazzled wrote:Maybe. Of course you never hear about this on a college campus in the South. I know the school I went to our cops had real guns because of the neighborhood. Plus we have a different view on riots here, which is why, well they don't happen here.

JEB_Stuart wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:The majority power group often find it hard to understand that the default version of history/culture/social issues taught is their version.

From that perspective, black students are forced to take white oriented courses and it is not unreasonable maybe for them to want the favor to be returned. It isn't possible as the law stands now.

It would be better to have a unbiased course which includes the perspective of all racial groups.

No that would be incredibly slowed. I took an immense amount of history classes in college, surprise surprise, and the amount of information that was taught was incredible. Trying to teach it from multiple perspectives is both impossible but stupid. Then there is no standard on what history actually took place. Do you realize how much more history would be complicated by such a thing? Its hard enough to agree on major events now, Lets not make it any worse.

I was arguing with a friend of mine who goes to UCSD last month while she was home. She is black, and was outraged at this ghetto party. I am part of a minority, and I find the constant whining and crying by others to be disgusting and annoying. I mean it almost made me hate my own ethnic group for how much they complain! Anyway, I asked her: Would you be mad if this was a Redneck Party? And she responded, "No, cuz that isn't racist." I then explained to her that neither was this ghetto party. It doesn't say anything about being black or making fun of blacks, it was just a party poking fun at ghetto people. If it is considered racist, then you have to consider a redneck party racist.

Kanluwen wrote:

Frazzled wrote:Maybe. Of course you never hear about this on a college campus in the South. I know the school I went to our cops had real guns because of the neighborhood. Plus we have a different view on riots here, which is why, well they don't happen here.

Well of course you don't hear about it in the South.

If you so much as look at a black guy wrong in the South as a white guy, you get called a racist and shouted down by church groups. The community college I go to has a huge amount of black kids from a poorer section of Raleigh who're on financial aid and do nothing but sit around in the student lounge all day.

I do actually mean "all day", not "in between classes". Had one day awhile back where all my classes for the day were canceled, and so I opted to sit in the student lounge and start filling out paperwork for the next semester early.

These kids never moved from the tv/couches. At all.
And when the security guards told them to go, they started screaming it was racial discrimination.

Frazzled wrote:Maybe. Of course you never hear about this on a college campus in the South.

Frazzled wrote:
Plus we have a different view on riots here, which is why, well they don't happen here.

Commissar Molotov wrote:The other stuff - the insensitive party and the media in support of it - is indeed trivial and not worth mentioning...

But the noose is serious business. That's definitely a hate crime, and was most certainly placed to "send a message." Not as flamboyant as the old burning cross, admittedly, but just as chilling.

They definitely had a right to be pissed.

Bla_Ze wrote:Never understood this white guilt/racial thing that happens in the US, i hear that stuff alot, its like everything you say is racist in some kind of way.

I think its slowed. Kind of like if england blamed sweden today becuase of viking pillaging during the viking age. Although i can't say i have very much insight in the matter.

Monster Rain wrote:
If they didn't make such a big deal out of it, the entire concept would go away. If you give an object power over you expect for it to be used as such.

If no one had mentioned it, and just threw it in the trash or gave it quietly to the police, there would be no story and the person who did it wouldn't have gotten exactly what they wanted which was a bunch of pissed off minorities and pissed of whites who are sympathetic to minorities.

Was it a bad thing for the noose maker to do? Certainly.

Still, I must place some of the blame for this continued phenomenon on the people who give a symbol so much power over their lives.

sebster wrote:But then I'm one of those guys that likes the idea of university teaching kids to think, not just teaching them a job.

Albatross wrote:

sebster wrote:But then I'm one of those guys that likes the idea of university teaching kids to think, not just teaching them a job.

Oh, this 100%.

And if this is the case, then it follows that we should teach young people not to hate each other based on the colour of their skin. And for the people parotting the phrase 'white guilt' - just knock it off, it's not 'white guilt' to be careful not to offend racial minorities. Some people just seem to use that term to excuse their frankly questionable views.

Mannahnin wrote:There's a difference between getting upset over the college being named after someone who owned slaves (Thomas Jefferson, anyone?), vs getting upset over the hanging of a noose. The former is past, and unchangeable. The latter is an implement of murder used within the lifetimes of many of us, and a symbol of current and real racist terrorism and intimidation.

Monster Rain wrote:Actually I find that some people take not offending minorities to such a patronizing level that it is, in it's own elitist way, racist.

Besides it's 2010 can't a brother go to school without a Noose being strung, or people taking a dump on his culture, or calling him names?

Kanluwen wrote:It also doesn't help anything 'storming offices' after someone hangs a noose.

But as it stands, it seems the bigger the rabble rousing here in the states, the more likely you are to get anything done.

Albatross wrote:

sebster wrote:But then I'm one of those guys that likes the idea of university teaching kids to think, not just teaching them a job.

Oh, this 100%.

And if this is the case, then it follows that we should teach young people not to hate each other based on the colour of their skin. And for the people parotting the phrase 'white guilt' - just knock it off, it's not 'white guilt' to be careful not to offend racial minorities. Some people just seem to use that term to excuse their frankly questionable views.

Albatross wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Actually I find that some people take not offending minorities to such a patronizing level that it is, in it's own elitist way, racist.

I will enjoy your explanation as to how that is elitist. And how you can patronise someone without offending them.

Also, if you wouldn't mind, please provide examples of people being racist by not offending a member of an ethnic minority.

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Riiiight. So because you're President isn't black (apart from the current one) anything he does, because it's not pandering to a minority, is inherently racist.

And demanding special treatment isn't racist because?

Cane wrote:That generalization does hold true but not so much here. The protesters definitely had stuff worth getting resolved since the campus had a streak of racist bs going on such as the noose, that party, and the campus/student-sponsored media outlet that supported the party and then took a gak on and discriminated against the rightly offended black students.

Those kind of asshats that are more than willing to stir up racist bs and commit hate crimes deserve administrative and legal consequences.

Albatross wrote:And if this is the case, then it follows that we should teach young people not to hate each other based on the colour of their skin. And for the people parotting the phrase 'white guilt' - just knock it off, it's not 'white guilt' to be careful not to offend racial minorities. Some people just seem to use that term to excuse their frankly questionable views.

jp400 wrote:I think campus police should have hit em with fire hoses....

er wait....

Non-lethal tear gas.......

Er wait...

K-9 support units....

Damnit!

Nerf Arrows and Twizzle sticks!

In all reality, I feel that this was a huge over-reaction on the part of the students. Hell, somebody spraypainted "Die Whitey" a couple of summers ago on the local campus, and nobody threw a fit over it much less threw a small riot. We just painted over it and moved on.

Some people really just need to get over themselfs and grow the hell up.

Monster Rain wrote:If you don't see examples of this every day in American advertising and politics you aren't looking very hard.

Kilkrazy wrote:

jp400 wrote:I think campus police should have hit em with fire hoses....

er wait....

Non-lethal tear gas.......

Er wait...

K-9 support units....

Damnit!

Nerf Arrows and Twizzle sticks!

In all reality, I feel that this was a huge over-reaction on the part of the students. Hell, somebody spraypainted "Die Whitey" a couple of summers ago on the local campus, and nobody threw a fit over it much less threw a small riot. We just painted over it and moved on.

Some people really just need to get over themselfs and grow the hell up.

That is because the whites are the majority. Such an incident looks entirely different if you are a small minority.

Albatross wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:If you don't see examples of this every day in American advertising and politics you aren't looking very hard.

Obviously not. Perhaps you could provide some examples? I'm happy to pretend that 'paternalistic racism' of the type you mentioned is remotely related to this news story.

Kilkrazy wrote:

jp400 wrote:I think campus police should have hit em with fire hoses....

er wait....

Non-lethal tear gas.......

Er wait...

K-9 support units....

Damnit!

Nerf Arrows and Twizzle sticks!

In all reality, I feel that this was a huge over-reaction on the part of the students. Hell, somebody spraypainted "Die Whitey" a couple of summers ago on the local campus, and nobody threw a fit over it much less threw a small riot. We just painted over it and moved on.

Some people really just need to get over themselfs and grow the hell up.

That is because the whites are the majority. Such an incident looks entirely different if you are a small minority.

Frazzled wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

jp400 wrote:I think campus police should have hit em with fire hoses....

er wait....

Non-lethal tear gas.......

Er wait...

K-9 support units....

Damnit!

Nerf Arrows and Twizzle sticks!

In all reality, I feel that this was a huge over-reaction on the part of the students. Hell, somebody spraypainted "Die Whitey" a couple of summers ago on the local campus, and nobody threw a fit over it much less threw a small riot. We just painted over it and moved on.

Some people really just need to get over themselfs and grow the hell up.

That is because the whites are the majority. Such an incident looks entirely different if you are a small minority.

KK in California, the "whites" are not a majority. There are only pluralities in Cali, with "latino" being the largest. Thats a serious misnomer.

Cane wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It also doesn't help anything 'storming offices' after someone hangs a noose.

But as it stands, it seems the bigger the rabble rousing here in the states, the more likely you are to get anything done.

When it comes to paying ten of thousands of dollars to study and do homework; yes it does help to go straight to "the man" and get things like nooses out of the library and to provide a safe and friendly campus environment. That kind of "rabbling" is pretty appropriate and deserved; its the office people's job to provide such an environment.

Kanluwen wrote:

Cane wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:It also doesn't help anything 'storming offices' after someone hangs a noose.

But as it stands, it seems the bigger the rabble rousing here in the states, the more likely you are to get anything done.

When it comes to paying ten of thousands of dollars to study and do homework; yes it does help to go straight to "the man" and get things like nooses out of the library and to provide a safe and friendly campus environment. That kind of "rabbling" is pretty appropriate and deserved; its the office people's job to provide such an environment.

Note: I'm not saying that something shouldn't be done about some jackass who thinks hanging a noose is funny. I'm saying that starting riots over it isn't the answer.

Monster Rain wrote:Senator Harry Reid talking about Obama's lack of a "Negro dialect" and then-Candidate Joe Biden referring to how well-spoken Obama is are the two best political examples I can think of off hand. They thought they were being complimentary to the man, but from such a position of perceived superiority that they were surprised that a black man wasn't a thug with gold teeth.

...not offending minorities to such a patronizing level that it is, in it's own elitist way, racist.

Frazzled wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

jp400 wrote:I think campus police should have hit em with fire hoses....

Some people really just need to get over themselfs and grow the hell up.

That is because the whites are the majority. Such an incident looks entirely different if you are a small minority.

KK in California, the "whites" are not a majority. There are only pluralities in Cali, with "latino" being the largest. Thats a serious misnomer.

Cane wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

jp400 wrote:I think campus police should have hit em with fire hoses....

Some people really just need to get over themselfs and grow the hell up.

That is because the whites are the majority. Such an incident looks entirely different if you are a small minority.

KK in California, the "whites" are not a majority. There are only pluralities in Cali, with "latino" being the largest. Thats a serious misnomer.

Actually according to the census whites constitute about 80% of San Diego County and about 77% of CA; Blacks about 6% in SD and 7% in CA: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06073.html

In the near future its predict that the USA (especially Texas) will definitely have a shift in majority to people with more mixed background specifically from Mexico and other Spanish speaking reagions; but thats a few years down the road.

And then for that university's undergrad statistics, Caucasians take up 27%, Blacks 2%, Asians with a whopping 44%, Mexican American 10%, Lationo/other Spanish 3%, more @ http://studentresearch.ucsd.edu/sriweb/Profile2008.pdf

"How am I supposed to walk into that building? How am I ever going to be safe there?" said ethnic studies major Cheyenne Stevens, who is black.

Frazzled wrote:

Cane wrote:

Frazzled wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:

jp400 wrote:I think campus police should have hit em with fire hoses....

Some people really just need to get over themselfs and grow the hell up.

That is because the whites are the majority. Such an incident looks entirely different if you are a small minority.

KK in California, the "whites" are not a majority. There are only pluralities in Cali, with "latino" being the largest. Thats a serious misnomer.

Actually according to the census whites constitute about 80% of San Diego County and about 77% of CA; Blacks about 6% in SD and 7% in CA: http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/06/06073.html

In the near future its predict that the USA (especially Texas) will definitely have a shift in majority to people with more mixed background specifically from Mexico and other Spanish speaking reagions; but thats a few years down the road.

And then for that university's undergrad statistics, Caucasians take up 27%, Blacks 2%, Asians with a whopping 44%, Mexican American 10%, Lationo/other Spanish 3%, more @ http://studentresearch.ucsd.edu/sriweb/Profile2008.pdf

MMm... no.

Frazzled wrote:KK in California, the "whites" are not a majority. There are only pluralities in Cali, with "latino" being the largest. Thats a serious misnomer.

Frazzled wrote:A-B=C Cane. Figure it out.

100%-53%=?

Cane wrote:sebster and Kilkrazy brought up great points; its definitely not just about the numbers and also more importantly whose got the pieces of the economic pie.

Frazzled wrote:A-B=C Cane. Figure it out.

100%-53%=?

Yea, I'm going to side with the 2008 estimates - Whites = 77% of CA.

Figured it out for you via the 2000 census which that health care website you linked used:

Whites = 59.5 %.

Race alone or combined with one or more other races; Whites = 63.4%

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/QTTable?_bm=n&_lang=en&qr_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U_DP1&ds_name=DEC_2000_SF1_U&geo_id=04000US06

Kilkrazy wrote:Call it the majority, call it the power elite, call it the dominant group,

Frazzled wrote:
77% is a BS figure, at least south of the Grapevine.

dogma wrote:There is a significant degree of cross-over between the category 'Hispanic' and the category 'White' accounted for by the category 'Non-Hispanic White' in many surveys. I believe that you're only thinking of the last one when you're considering the category 'white'.

Nurgleboy77 wrote:What a bunch of Racists, insisting that their race be singled out with their own exclusive student union and special study programs. The most racist things I see in the article.

"How am I supposed to walk into that building? How am I ever going to be safe there?" said ethnic studies major Cheyenne Stevens, who is black.

Really......really?! So people are just getting lynched right and left now, huh? How stupid.

Last fall I saw several houses with hollowed out gourds with leering faces on them, Oh how can I feel safe in my neighborhood when evil spirits are depicted on peoples front porches every year! Oh the HORROR!

LA Times wrote:Student apologizes for noose in UC San Diego library
The campus paper publishes an anonymous letter by a minority student who calls the incident 'a mindless act and stupid mistake.'

The UC San Diego student reportedly responsible for hanging a noose last week in a campus library issued a public, but anonymous, apology Monday and said she had no racist motivation.

The noose's discovery set off protests at a school that is already tense from recent racially charged episodes and triggered condemnations from UC leaders and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

In a letter published Monday on the front page of the UC San Diego student newspaper, the Guardian, the student wrote that the incident was "a mindless act and stupid mistake" and was not meant to recall the lynching of blacks.

"As a minority student who sympathizes with the students that have been affected by the recent issues on campus, I am distraught to know that I have unintentionally added to their pain," the student wrote. She was suspended Friday and remains under investigation for a possible hate crime.

The letter is signed "Anonymous UCSD Student" and offers no clues about her identity or ethnicity.

Sari Thayer, the Guardian's Web editor, said in an interview that the woman had asked the paper to publish the letter and that "a reliable source" confirmed its authenticity.

The woman wrote that she and friends had been playing with the rope early last week, making a lasso and then a noose.

She said that she took it to the library Tuesday, strung it above a desk and forgot about it. Its discovery Thursday night caused a firestorm on campus, where tensions were high after a Feb. 15 off-campus party that mocked Black History Month.

A campus official declined to comment on the letter and said that university police continue to investigate the incident.

Frazzled wrote:Thats not the same. One is a number one is a relationship. Don't confuse numbers vs. power relationships.

youbedead wrote:SO it wasn't racist at all. so the school should just ignore the students demand then.

KKK-style pillowcase found at UCSD; noose case sent to city attorney

UCSD Statement

UC San Diego police are investigating the discovery about 11 p.m. Monday of what appeared to be a white pillowcase that had been crudely fashioned into a KKK-style hood with a hand-drawn symbol. It was placed on a statue outside the main campus library, and a rose was inserted into the statue’s fingers.

The items have been removed and the police are processing them for evidence, including fingerprint and DNA analysis. An aggressive police investigation is underway. We will pursue this with all of our authority and individuals who are responsible will be punished to the full extent of the Student Code of Conduct and all applicable laws.

“We will not allow this incident, or any incident, to deter the progress we are making to change and heal our university community,” said UC San Diego Chancellor Marye Anne Fox. “We will not tolerate these despicable actions. We stand in firm solidarity with our students and are fully committed to instituting their recommendations. We know these changes will make this university a better place and will help us improve our campus climate.”

If you have any information about this incident, please call the UC San Diego Police Department at (858) 534-4359 or email detective@ucsd.edu.

A crudely fashioned, KKK-style hood was found atop a Dr. Seuss statue at the University of California San Diego late Monday, the latest in a string of race-related incidents that have roiled the campus in recent days.

Campus police say the hood covered the head of a Theodor Seuss Geisel statue, near where the university had planned to celebrate the children’s author’s birthday yesterday and next to the towering library that carries his name. The event was called off in light of racial tensions on the La Jolla campus.

The Ku Klux Klan-style hood was the second potent symbol of racism to appear in the heart of campus within the past week.

On Thursday, a noose was found on the seventh floor of the Geisel Library. An unidentified female student admitted that she placed the noose, telling the campus newspaper The Guardian that it “was a mindless act and stupid mistake.” She has been suspended from school.

Campus police said Tuesday evening that they had filed the noose investigation as a possible hate crime with the San Diego city attorney. They also had consulted with the San Diego County District Attorney’s Office and the FBI on possible criminal charges.

Campus authorities say the hood — apparently made from a white pillowcase and bearing a hand-drawn symbol — was discovered on the Geisel statue about 11 p.m. Monday. A rose was placed between the statue’s fingers. A university spokesman would not provide additional information.

“The items have been removed and the police are processing them for evidence, including fingerprint and DNA analysis,” the statement read. “We will pursue this with all of our authority and individuals who are responsible will be punished to the full extent of the Student Code of Conduct and all applicable laws.”

Chancellor Marye Anne Fox is quoted in a statement as saying that “we will not allow this incident, or any incident, to deter the progress we are making to change and heal our university community.”

Audrey Geisel, widow of Theodor Geisel, said the chancellor and campus librarian called her to inform her of the incident.

If her husband, who died in 1991, were alive, he would find the incident bizarre, Geisel said.

“The vast, vast majority (of students) are just the greatest — they’re just splendid, fine, period,” she said. “A little faction always exists in all places and they get a little carried away, I think. ‘Now hear this — somebody’s paying attention,’ and they get kind of rambunctious.”

The campus has been hit by a series of race-related incidents in recent weeks that has spurred demonstrations and led to renewed calls for tolerance. Black students make up 2 percent of the UCSD undergraduate population.

UC Santa Cruz officials said Monday that they found an image of a noose on the inside of a restroom door with the words “San Diego” and “Lynch” on either side, according to published reports.

The current string of events started with a Feb. 15 “Compton Cook Out” party off campus that mocked Black History Month. A student-run TV show subsequently ridiculed blacks and called them ungrateful for their reaction to the party, and used a racial slur.

Many students, faculty and others have been deeply offended by the incidents, while others say too much is being made of the events. They say the name of the party was meant to be satiric and note that a black stand-up comic who goes by the name “Jiggaboo Jones” has claimed that he helped organize it.

Audrey Geisel, who donated an estimated $20 million to the campus’s central library, named after her late husband, also donated the statue of Dr. Seuss and the Cat in the Hat in 2004.


Find this article at:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/02/kkk-style-pillowcase-found-ucsd/?imw=Y

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Nurgleboy77 wrote:What a bunch of Racists, insisting that their race be singled out with their own exclusive student union and special study programs. The most racist things I see in the article.

"How am I supposed to walk into that building? How am I ever going to be safe there?" said ethnic studies major Cheyenne Stevens, who is black.

Really......really?! So people are just getting lynched right and left now, huh? How stupid.

Last fall I saw several houses with hollowed out gourds with leering faces on them, Oh how can I feel safe in my neighborhood when evil spirits are depicted on peoples front porches every year! Oh the HORROR!

Please don't troll.

Frazzled wrote:Did we I missed that-who did and why? I asked this because the concept is stupid unless its like a noose for a football rally or such. (you know, lynch the rams sort of thing),

Tyyr wrote:Hey, oppressing Rams only makes good sense. Haven't you seen that gum commercial? I don't want those four legged bastards crushing my nuts just because I don't chuck my gum the instant it looses flavor.

Frazzled wrote:They won't investigate. There is real crime to deal with-like MS-13 killing people for sport. Who gives a fig about UC San Diego?

Kilkrazy wrote:It depends if they are any good.

The confession came in the form of an unsigned letter sent to a newspaper. It could have been written by anyone.

Hardly a "full confession".

"As a minority student who sympathizes with the students that have been affected by the recent issues on campus, I am distraught to know that I have unintentionally added to their pain," the student wrote. She was suspended Friday and remains under investigation for a possible hate crime.