I see alot of threads with pics of thing like sexy female space marines or imperial gaurd.
gets me wondering. What is the roll fo women in 4ok. I know there are the sob and various assassins.
But are they allowed in govt or in things like the adeptus mechanus?

There's a note in the Commissar Cain books that mentions a female Lady General, and i think she's the fist woman to hold that title,

also there are female commissars, inquisitors and even entire Imperial Guard Regiments, so I'd think women and men are treated more or less equally.

Tau women are in the military. Orks are all "men". And the imperium has done an excellent job of hiding those female space marines, GW hasn't yet revealed any helmetless marines with long hair (and no beards, I know someone would mention Space Wolves).

Inquistors can be women. -The Ciaphas Cain Series
The Adeptus Arbites have women as officers. -The NightBringer
Planetary Governers can be women. -The NightBringer
Key leaders of the adeptus mechanicus can be women. -Dark Mechanicum
Women can be pilots for Lightning/ Thunderbolt air fighters. -Double Eagle
Women can be super stealthy tanith troopers. -Gaunt's Ghosts serires.

Basically they can do whatever they want.
(except be a SM, which is way better than a SOB)

The imperium is cruel and unfeeling and likely cares not to much about women. I have never read of a women plantery governor for example. The galss ceiling will still be there though I find it hard to imangine a women as the head on the inquisition or as a high lord.. but I may be wrong there.

Also planets differ some planets may be muslim sexist while others may be liberated but I doubt ANY would be matriarchal.

Plenty of female Psykers are fed to da Emperah everyday too!

THEY MAKE BABIES!!! SO MANY BABIES!!! 400 BABIES!!!

...AND THEY ALL RUN LIKE KENYANS!!!!

Shaman wrote:The imperium is cruel and unfeeling and likely cares not to much about women. I have never read of a women plantery governor for example.

The novel Nightbringer, as lordrevege mentioned.


It really varies. Theoretically, there's no reason that women can't hold pretty much the same positions as men in the 40K universe (other than, at least in general opinion, becoming Space Marines) but it would seem to vary depending on the culture of individual planets.

It's not well reflected in the model range, though. For example, the fluff for Cadia says that all citizens serve in the Guard for a term... but we have yet to see a female Cadian model.

Shaman wrote:Also planets differ some planets may be muslim sexist while others may be liberated but I doubt ANY would be matriarchal.

IIRC, 'Warrior Woman' from the original Last Chancers rules was from a matriarchal society, with Imperial Guard regiments from her planet also being pretty exclusively female.

Emperors Faithful wrote:THEY MAKE BABIES!!! SO MANY BABIES!!! 400 BABIES!!!

...AND THEY ALL RUN LIKE KENYANS!!!!

Do they run so fast that Mother Nature is like: 'Slooooowwww dowwwwwn!' and they say 'F*CK YOU!' and then kick her in the face with their ENERGY LEGS!

On topic: They can do anything that men can do, bar becoming Spehss Mehreens

L. Wrex

Depends on the planet.

I think most civilised Imperial worlds regard genders equally though.

It's always hard to tell if someone would roll.

I'd say it depends on their obesity levels.

Emperors Faithful wrote:THEY MAKE BABIES!!! SO MANY BABIES!!! 400 BABIES!!!

...AND THEY ALL RUN LIKE KENYANS!!!!

Aaah Powerthirst. Cornerstone of any nutritious breakfast.

Don't think most would discriminate, because a body is a body, and all bodies shall work.

In dead sky black sun there was a female guardsman, I think that GW is just too lazy to actually model them. I'm sure it depends on what world your on if women get selected for guard duty or not.

*sigh* it seems all of the armies governments (and or Leaders) have sealed away all the females and only promise to let them out when they win the war, No wonder they fight so hard.

Morgrim wrote:Don't think most would discriminate, because a body is a body, and all bodies shall work.

This sums it up as far as I can tell. Someone mentioned the Cain novels, which involve a mixed regiment commanded throughout by a female. I think that same person mentioned that one of the other female characters eventually becomes a highly-decorated IG general--but there is no sense that she was the first woman to achieve the rank. Insaniak, par usual, has the best answer: depends on which part of the million world Imperium you're talking about. There may conceivably be some that don't allow men in positions of authority.

Marines on a matriarchal world . . . I smell fanfic . . .

The common message I'm getting is that there are plenty of pieces of fluff to support both mixed and female dominated societal roles on certain planets. But there's little in the way of modelling or kits to back it up.

i forgot where i read it but there was an all female space marine section. Dont remember the name or where or even when i did but i remember reading it. Also i read about a female who ended up getting possessed by the warp as she was a khorne berzerkers sex slave and one night she kills him than gets into his armor. His commander doesnt even realize so she takes his roll.

What is this I dont even

@ insainiak I stand corrected.

Angels of death's imagination and memory are mixed up I reckon.

I'd like to "roll" some of the women in ...wait what are we talking about?

AnGeLsOfDeAtH wrote:i forgot where i read it but there was an all female space marine section. Dont remember the name or where or even when i did but i remember reading it.

It would have been fan fiction, if anything. The closest GW have been to female marines was a couple of Rogue Trader-era models of women in power armour that were originally sold as 'female adventurers' but were also briefly sold as female Space Marines. That was back before the current fluff for Marines was really established.

Also i read about a female who ended up getting possessed by the warp as she was a khorne berzerkers sex slave and one night she kills him than gets into his armor. His commander doesnt even realize so she takes his roll.

That was from Storm of Iron. Although I don't recall the book actually casting her as a 'sex slave'... she mostly just cleaned his armour.

insaniak wrote:

Also i read about a female who ended up getting possessed by the warp as she was a khorne berzerkers sex slave and one night she kills him than gets into his armor. His commander doesnt even realize so she takes his roll.

That was from Storm of Iron. Although I don't recall the book actually casting her as a 'sex slave'... she mostly just cleaned his armour.

sorry couldn't resist

The Unending wrote:

insaniak wrote:

Also i read about a female who ended up getting possessed by the warp as she was a khorne berzerkers sex slave and one night she kills him than gets into his armor. His commander doesnt even realize so she takes his roll.

That was from Storm of Iron. Although I don't recall the book actually casting her as a 'sex slave'... she mostly just cleaned his armour.

sorry couldn't resist

I am not only going to have a female Space Wolf
She's gonna be the leader of the pack! vrum vrrumm!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:I am not only going to have a female Space Wolf
She's gonna be the leader of the pack! vrum vrrumm!

They can be Inquisitors, Planetary Governor's, Generals, etc.

They can pretty much be anything but a SM.

Why would they discriminate? Wars can be fought by either gender, and to ignore roughly half of your potential conscription material while tyranids are chomping away at your imperium seems thick to me (or perhaps just the epitome of chauvinism )

I was just wondering because they arent that well represented in the model range.

Thanks Manchu

Hi Karon
not up to speed with all the background so why is this please?

Good point Zed

(Not worked out the details yet, but want to distance my forthcoming chapter away from the Empire.)

Just a newbie question, but ummm Why can't Females be SM's?

There was a mention in the fluff years ago that the implants were keyed to male genetics/chromosomes/whatever.

These days, they don't say much about it one way or the other... they just don't ever mention female Space Marines in the fluff.

Even in the world of 40k I think women are probably considered the weaker sex. Personally I don't think they are but there's just something about the 40k universe that tells me its just as misogynistic as the real world just more grimdark.

Asked the same question Dragonchef
One possible reason is to keep the tooling costs of moulds down, as there would otherwise need to be a duplication of torsos and heads for male and female

(Woodelves have male and female warriors, so I dunno)

40k is discriminating women (or horny men who like robust women models).

Look at the majority of armies in 40k.

SM and their other specific chapter based armies-No female SM.
IG- very few, but they are there.
Eldar-Some, but very elite.
Chaos- see SM
Orks- they're spore dudes. No "sex," but they have masculine bodies.
Necrons- all male so far. I guess the C'tan didn't have to sex appeal to the necrotyr, since all their bodies are pretty much male looking. Maybe all the men were taken and shoved in necron bodies, leaving the females behind. Or maybe the C'tan took only those men of a particular sexual orientation. Dunno. This explanation has gone on far too long and is tredding into dangerous waters.

Really, Sisters of Battle are the predominate female only force Games Workshop has produced for 40k to my knowledge. Maybe that was a concession to people pointing out the lack of females in terms of armies. Who knows.

WarOne wrote:
Eldar-Some, but very elite.

No, look at the standard warriors (for DE at least) and a good chunk of the torsos are clearly female ones. They just don't stick out in any obvious way on the table. I think guardians have the same thing. From memory the sculpts of DE warriors are about 2:1 male to female, wyches 1:2. (Anyone thinking wyches are all female need to go look at the models.)

Craftworlders I'm pretty sure are 1:1.

Guard lacking female models is GW being lazy/not being confident enough of doing sculpts that don't look like they all got free boob jobs. The whole 'men are stronger' thing doesn't really apply when you aren't in hand to hand, and if guard are in hand to and chances are they're dead anyway.

Speaking of which, what do you think IS the potential market for a fem-guard army/models?

Would anyone here consider collecting guard or (if they already do) integrate women into a mixed regiment if the models were introduced?

Yes, I'm looking at Imperial Guard as my next army, and I'd prefer a mixed regiment over an all-male one.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Speaking of which, what do you think IS the potential market for a fem-guard army/models?

Would anyone here consider collecting guard or (if they already do) integrate women into a mixed regiment if the models were introduced?

Hell yeah! It'd make my life so much easier.

I want guard, and I want one of my junior officers to be female, as well as a veteran or two. I know of one conversion, that uses Wood Elf hands and faces.

Morgrim wrote:No, look at the standard warriors (for DE at least) and a good chunk of the torsos are clearly female ones. They just don't stick out in any obvious way on the table. I think guardians have the same thing. From memory the sculpts of DE warriors are about 2:1 male to female, wyches 1:2. (Anyone thinking wyches are all female need to go look at the models.)

Plastic Guardians and Dark Eldar Warriors are both 1 female and 3 male torsos to a sprue. All heavy or special weapon troopers are male.

ultramarinelord wrote:I want guard, and I want one of my junior officers to be female, as well as a veteran or two. I know of one conversion, that uses Wood Elf hands and faces.

Was thinking of doing SM conversions with Wood Elf faces
Have found out that the fluff is flawed re SM's being male in another thread.

to save you wading through naff jokes, the bum fluff says that the SM's have to be made from male zygotes. The zygote is nueter AFAIK, neither male nor female, so is plainly bunkum in this universe or 40 K
therefore SM's can be female!

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:to save you wading through naff jokes, the bum fluff says that the SM's have to be made from male zygotes.

As pointed out in the other thread, that's not actually quite what it says. The zygotes (referring to the developmental stage of the implant) is keyed to work with males. Exactly what that means in real scientific terms is anybody's guess, since we're not talking about real science. We're talking about semi-religious pseudo-science 40000 years in the future.

The above post was made before that response was made on the other thread, Insaniak
but thanks any way

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

ultramarinelord wrote:I want guard, and I want one of my junior officers to be female, as well as a veteran or two. I know of one conversion, that uses Wood Elf hands and faces.

Was thinking of doing SM conversions with Wood Elf faces
Have found out that the fluff is flawed re SM's being male in another thread.

to save you wading through naff jokes, the bum fluff says that the SM's have to be made from male zygotes. The zygote is nueter AFAIK, neither male nor female, so is plainly bunkum in this universe or 40 K
therefore SM's can be female!

Clearly you didn't notice my post in the other thread. I just read the entire thing . I sorta managed to understant most of the biology stuff (Year 10 biology FTW ).

WarOne wrote:
Necrons- all male so far. I guess the C'tan didn't have to sex appeal to the necrotyr, since all their bodies are pretty much male looking.

They're robots made to look like the skeletons of an alien race. You don't have the slightest clue what sex they are.

Necrons have norrow hips and they go round mindlessly bashing things up- they're blokes alright.

Hang on- better scratch that! having seen some of the lasses after a night out on the town -YIKES!

Did see it Ultra! probably right
I understood the biology ok - I just misread the crucial bit DOH!
Still want girls in my army though even if they do look like Soviet shot putters.
what would the stats be for Soviet Shot Putters in 40K?
Good strength and good ballistic skills.

They also never seem to eat anything, are worryingly skinny and are very cranky if woken up early.

Necrons are skeletons, you can't tell.

SM-The Emperor was male, so the Primarchs were male since they used his DNA, and the SM used their DNA so they had to be male.

Eldar-Howling Banshees

What about Tau? I know theres Shadowsun.

Chaos-I always thought slaanesh worshipers looked a little strange...

NOta to be sexist becasue i respect women but i think in the eyes of the imperium one of the main jobs for women is reproduction i mean think about it they have to re supply there armys with people and casualties are insainley high i also htink they lost clonign tech in the dark age of technology, other than that they work and fight just as men do.

Kogwar wrote:NOta to be sexist becasue i respect women but i think in the eyes of the imperium one of the main jobs for women is reproduction i mean think about it they have to re supply there armys with people and casualties are insainley high i also htink they lost clonign tech in the dark age of technology, other than that they work and fight just as men do.

Well obviously there aren't as much women fighting as men.

Da Big Mek wrote:In dead sky black sun there was a female guardsman, I think that GW is just too lazy to actually model them. I'm sure it depends on what world your on if women get selected for guard duty or not.

That's because GW can't model them... at least not very good anyway...
In 40k suffering, hard work, slavery, and dying for the emperor is an equal oppurtuity employer

tigonesskay wrote:

Da Big Mek wrote:In dead sky black sun there was a female guardsman, I think that GW is just too lazy to actually model them. I'm sure it depends on what world your on if women get selected for guard duty or not.

That's because GW can't model them... at least not very good anyway...
In 40k suffering, hard work, slavery, and dying for the emperor is an equal oppurtuity employer

At last a simple. practical reason
makes a lot of sense!

1. The greatest gift of men is their expendability.
2. With two sexes and only one able to give birth to offspring (and even that only for a rather short period!), you'd have to be mad and/ or desperate to risk that half of your population in lethal conflicts. Even the Imperium should get that point from time to time...
3. One male can fertilize ten females, no big deal (leaving social problems out, of course). Other way round? Not too funny.
4. GW would totally screw the modelling of female guardsmen, if these were made anew. Why? In order to be clearly female, they'd do "Lara Croft" to the models and in a head-to-wall-causing second thought they'd put them into catsuits instead of normal armor. Someone might even get the situation and make stupid jokes like "How to paint flesh properly". Personally I'd like female heads, as that would be enough. Seriously, under uniform and flak vest, there's not that much left to see.

I always thought the DE and Eldar female models were subtle enough.

Edorian wrote:1. The greatest gift of men is their expendability.
2. With two sexes and only one able to give birth to offspring (and even that only for a rather short period!), you'd have to be mad and/ or desperate to risk that half of your population in lethal conflicts. Even the Imperium should get that point from time to time...
3. One male can fertilize ten females, no big deal (leaving social problems out, of course). Other way round? Not too funny.
4. GW would totally screw the modelling of female guardsmen, if these were made anew. Why? In order to be clearly female, they'd do "Lara Croft" to the models and in a head-to-wall-causing second thought they'd put them into catsuits instead of normal armor. Someone might even get the situation and make stupid jokes like "How to paint flesh properly". Personally I'd like female heads, as that would be enough. Seriously, under uniform and flak vest, there's not that much left to see.

Truth. Also, it would be bad for business if GW were to make an army of girls, because they know that any books they made would either be like really buff steroid poppers or sexually driven. There is no other way to write fiction about female warriors.

mcfly wrote:

Edorian wrote:1. The greatest gift of men is their expendability.
2. With two sexes and only one able to give birth to offspring (and even that only for a rather short period!), you'd have to be mad and/ or desperate to risk that half of your population in lethal conflicts. Even the Imperium should get that point from time to time...
3. One male can fertilize ten females, no big deal (leaving social problems out, of course). Other way round? Not too funny.
4. GW would totally screw the modelling of female guardsmen, if these were made anew. Why? In order to be clearly female, they'd do "Lara Croft" to the models and in a head-to-wall-causing second thought they'd put them into catsuits instead of normal armor. Someone might even get the situation and make stupid jokes like "How to paint flesh properly". Personally I'd like female heads, as that would be enough. Seriously, under uniform and flak vest, there's not that much left to see.

Truth. Also, it would be bad for business if GW were to make an army of girls, because they know that any books they made would either be like really buff steroid poppers or sexually driven. There is no other way to write fiction about female warriors.

That's not nessarily true if the females in question have a good decent background story.


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They should have a codex or a codex supplement just for creating female based armies that are IG, warrior band, storm troopers ect..

mcfly wrote:

Edorian wrote:1. The greatest gift of men is their expendability.
2. With two sexes and only one able to give birth to offspring (and even that only for a rather short period!), you'd have to be mad and/ or desperate to risk that half of your population in lethal conflicts. Even the Imperium should get that point from time to time...
3. One male can fertilize ten females, no big deal (leaving social problems out, of course). Other way round? Not too funny.
4. GW would totally screw the modelling of female guardsmen, if these were made anew. Why? In order to be clearly female, they'd do "Lara Croft" to the models and in a head-to-wall-causing second thought they'd put them into catsuits instead of normal armor. Someone might even get the situation and make stupid jokes like "How to paint flesh properly". Personally I'd like female heads, as that would be enough. Seriously, under uniform and flak vest, there's not that much left to see.

Truth. Also, it would be bad for business if GW were to make an army of girls, because they know that any books they made would either be like really buff steroid poppers or sexually driven. There is no other way to write fiction about female warriors.

SoB?

Snikkyd wrote:

mcfly wrote:

Edorian wrote:1. The greatest gift of men is their expendability.
2. With two sexes and only one able to give birth to offspring (and even that only for a rather short period!), you'd have to be mad and/ or desperate to risk that half of your population in lethal conflicts. Even the Imperium should get that point from time to time...
3. One male can fertilize ten females, no big deal (leaving social problems out, of course). Other way round? Not too funny.
4. GW would totally screw the modelling of female guardsmen, if these were made anew. Why? In order to be clearly female, they'd do "Lara Croft" to the models and in a head-to-wall-causing second thought they'd put them into catsuits instead of normal armor. Someone might even get the situation and make stupid jokes like "How to paint flesh properly". Personally I'd like female heads, as that would be enough. Seriously, under uniform and flak vest, there's not that much left to see.

Truth. Also, it would be bad for business if GW were to make an army of girls, because they know that any books they made would either be like really buff steroid poppers or sexually driven. There is no other way to write fiction about female warriors.

SoB?

Seem kinda like 'roid users to me.

DOW2 had a female in a high position on Meridian

The 'role of women' is, like any other social structure, completely dependent upon the planet in question. There are probably lots of planets where women and men have a middle-ages equality system, and there are probably plenty where it's closer to the 21st century.

We know that, higher up on the interplanetary scale, there are plenty of women govenors, arbites, assassins, mechanicus and inquisitors. We know that there are women in the guard regiments, though not as many as men. TBH, this isn't particularly suprising in any military force.

The only other stipulation is that Space Marines are always men. Other than that....

MAKING SAMMICHES

The referred to female space marines would be the Fighting Tigers of Veda.

http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/

For this particular guy's argument on why there should be female space marines, click on this:
http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/roarsgirls.html

to put it simply, they are in the kitchen making more cupcakes for the guardsmen

They get to produce babies,just like spartan women for reference

does that mean that the men also do as the Spartans? :O

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:does that mean that the men also do as the Spartans? :O

TONIGHT, WE DINE- IN CHAOS.

read lexicanum about the Geno regiments- crazy sci fi stuff that hardly seems 40kish at all, in a way.

As per space marines, I think half the point of them was to create an army that viewed the Emperor in a 'father-son' context. And while a 'father-daughter' context can be just as powerful, the 'Invincible Sons of the Immortal God Emperor of Mankind' just has a certain ring to it, and is combined with the Monk like qualities that alot of chapters adopt.

WarOne wrote:40k is discriminating women (or horny men who like robust women models).

Look at the majority of armies in 40k.

SM and their other specific chapter based armies-No female SM.
IG- very few, but they are there.
Eldar-Some, but very elite.
Chaos- see SM
Orks- they're spore dudes. No "sex," but they have masculine bodies.
Necrons- all male so far. I guess the C'tan didn't have to sex appeal to the necrotyr, since all their bodies are pretty much male looking. Maybe all the men were taken and shoved in necron bodies, leaving the females behind. Or maybe the C'tan took only those men of a particular sexual orientation. Dunno. This explanation has gone on far too long and is tredding into dangerous waters.

Really, Sisters of Battle are the predominate female only force Games Workshop has produced for 40k to my knowledge. Maybe that was a concession to people pointing out the lack of females in terms of armies. Who knows.

Well lets be honest look at the statistics and history, men are just more suted to sign on to the military and tend to be the more violent of the two sexs and as for the idea of making a new guard codex just for women all you owuld do is throw in some fluff and make a few female special charitors, there would be very little to change, as far as forces go.

Imperial Women are for Imperial Kitchens and Imperial Babies.

Same as men afaik, though not as militant.

Shaman wrote:@ insainiak I stand corrected.

Angels of death's imagination and memory are mixed up I reckon.

Actually, AngelofDeath is right. It happens in Storm of Iron. One of the CSMs is replaced by a woman. And almost no one noticed, though one character observes that 'he' seems even deadlier then usual.

if there were more female 40k players then maybe

A great number of people have never seen women in armor. Do you know what they look like? Guys. Even a woman with a huge chest doesn't look like much if she puts on a ballistic vest, even one designed for women. Armor isn't supposed to accentuate curves, it's supposed to protect them; if it accentuates then it's ornamental, and thus probably next to useless for actual fighting. For the Imperial Guard, just replacing the all-male heads with a couple female ones would be just fine.

Yeah, I used to wear a ballistic vest. I occasionally still DO wear platemail. Neither makes me look particularly feminine, just bulky. (In before someone makes an 'OMG IT MAKES ME LOOK FAT WAAAAH' joke.)

pops101 wrote:if there were more female 40k players then maybe

You've actually hit the nail on the head there. And this is going to be a problem for Deathwatch, to judge from the shitstorm going on on FFG's boards since while not a lot of woman play 40k, a LOT of women roleplay.

An easy way to make female Guard would be a simple head option.

when someone is in full body armor(like the guard flak jackets) any defining female charactoristics will be nearly undetectable.

so a head is really the only way to tell the difference.

There are female t'au warriors. The reason many can't really tell is that IMO there is not much of a visual difference between the sexs. It is suggested that T'au might lay eggs so that would mean no knockers for them.

The Imperium would not decriminate on sex grounds. The Imperium is purely interested in its own goals and objectives - Power, Tithe and Purity. If a female was the most efficient collector of Tithe then she would go far.

A true meritocrascy you might say, of course that would depend on whether you could get to get up to the "Imperial" strata of society and that would depend on the politics of each individual world or system would dictate the social norms and customs.

I think that someone rightly identified the Administrator in DoW 2 [can't remember he name at the moment] who then became Imperial Govenor at the end of DoW 2/start of Chaos Rising. There are numerous female characters in important places in in much of the Black Library literature.

Finally as to why there are so few female miniatures? I don't think that it is a case of GW can't make them, just look at the Esher gangers from Necro; if they were so poor then they wouldn't exchange hands for such a premium price.

This is a hobby where the majority of participants are male [with notable exceptions] and the target market is under 16s. GW have probably identified that youngsters won't want to buy female grunts, at the opposite end of the scale you have the male super human marine which sells by the bucket load.

Who wants female miniatures any way? I'll wager it is mostly adult males who would expect to see buxom Guardswomen with thier "dog-tags" on shown. Candroth identified this is not a realistic or pacticle approach nor it is on that family orientated GW is likely to follow. I can't see a Lara Croft-eque Guardswoman pulling a lasgun to her shoulder, there would be no room!

GW could [and indeed do] produce some very good female miniatures if they wanted to but they have chosen not to. Its a shame because there seem to be few others who can produce females that dont look like trannies but there we go.

Who wants female miniatures any way? I'll wager it is mostly adult males who would expect to see buxom Guardswomen with thier "dog-tags" on shown. Candroth identified this is not a realistic or pacticle approach nor it is on that family orientated GW is likely to follow. I can't see a Lara Croft-eque Guardswoman pulling a lasgun to her shoulder, there would be no room!

This arguement keeps cropping up. Usually in a pergorative way meant to infer some pervy tendency. Am not suggesting that that is the intent in this instance btw

The opposite is actually the case for those that want female miniatures. We wish to see good sculpts of female protagonistists and not what is deemed as desirable to teenage boys/older pervs' fetishes. It is too cliched an image, and only possible in cartoons or Victorian corsetry. Personally I wouldn't buy that sort of figure. I would buy female figures that were more reasonably proportioned and not pandering to male erotic fantasies.

Maybe there is a misunderstanding that because the figures are set in a Fantasy World they have to look like what is expected of male fantasies.

As there being no room for Lara to pull a lasgun because of her anatomy, not sure that standard power armour is particularly ergonomic to tell the truth.

notprop wrote:
Who wants female miniatures any way? I'll wager it is mostly adult males who would expect to see buxom Guardswomen with thier "dog-tags" on shown. Candroth identified this is not a realistic or pacticle approach nor it is on that family orientated GW is likely to follow. I can't see a Lara Croft-eque Guardswoman pulling a lasgun to her shoulder, there would be no room!

Only with the catachans... ...which I've been told are really built like that in fluff... ...so clearly, no one will be mistaking Vasquez for a man!

I will say that, looking at my female cadians I got from Doc Thunder's crew, that while the armor is shaped slightly different, it's clearly the same pattern as the male armor, and the only obvious guns is one traditional imperial flashlight errr lasgun. Which is I think the best way to go about it. Present but understated.

I wouldn't be looking for an army of D-cups, just some different heads and slightly different bodies to put a bit of variation through the ranks.

Snikkyd wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:
This arguement keeps cropping up. Usually in a pergorative way meant to infer some pervy tendency. Am not suggesting that that is the intent in this instance btw

The opposite is actually the case for those that want female miniatures. We wish to see good sculpts of female protagonistists and not what is deemed as desirable to teenage boys/older pervs' fetishes. It is too cliched an image, and only possible in cartoons or Victorian corsetry. Personally I wouldn't buy that sort of figure. I would buy female figures that were more reasonably proportioned and not pandering to male erotic fantasies.

Maybe there is a misunderstanding that because the figures are set in a Fantasy World they have to look like what is expected of male fantasies.

I agree totally. I would really like to mix some female sculpts in with my guard, just to break up the same-ness of it all, but with allot of the female ranges out there [Shadowforge] its not going to happen. I mean for a start there is no option for twin-linked bangers in the codex!

And on the subject of purile behavour

EagleArk wrote:......metal booby image.........

I think that this sort of thing is so common in Fantasy because it is now so ingrained in the imagery on generic fantasy that it is just accepted as the norm.

Personally I like my 40k to be a bit more realistic than is often portrayed [I appreciate the irony of that statement] so this sort of thing doesn't float my boat.

I have heard of independently produced female IG Heads/accessories but have never seen them for sale. I am beginning to think that it may be easier to just produce my own using heresy miniatures heads.

Talk to DarkSoul over on barter town. He did Doc's female guard castings, if I remember right.

In the 40k universe, some want to be a SM. Some will even sell their souls to chaos. Me? I'll be one of the male breeders. How else are we going to re-fill all those IG armies?

OoieGooie, doing his part for the ladies of the 40k universe.

their job is to fix the commissars sammiches (yes, sammiches)

Hey, there are female Inquisitors. (Did someone mention this?)

They use women how they use men (except for SM). For example, as parents, medics, guardswomen, inquisitors, cannon fodder...

Candroth wrote:A great number of people have never seen women in armor. Do you know what they look like? Guys. Even a woman with a huge chest doesn't look like much if she puts on a ballistic vest, even one designed for women. Armor isn't supposed to accentuate curves, it's supposed to protect them; if it accentuates then it's ornamental, and thus probably next to useless for actual fighting. For the Imperial Guard, just replacing the all-male heads with a couple female ones would be just fine.

That would be fine... if the current Imperial Guard models were actually proportioned like human beings.

Females in armour may or may nor look particularly feminine (depending on the actual armour, and the shape of the woman underneath it) but they are still generally shorter and slightly lighter in build than a male in the same armour. They also stand and move differently.

I've seen a couple of people try the 'female head on cadian body' option for female guardsmen. They don't look like females in armour... they just look like a female head on an exaggerated male body.

Yeah, you have to do the torso and legs too. Arms you can use, since GW's arms are almost all the same length. (and cadians have sleeves, so it's harder to tell.)

I for one appreciate how 40k has kept much of the out much of the exaggerated sexuality of woman that is so prevalent in games/video games etc.

In the Eisenhorn books one of his retinue is Arianhrod Esw Sweydyr, a swordswoman from Carthae, which is a female-dominated matriarchal soceity. The women are really tall and expert swordswomen, like Amazons i guess.

like other people have said the stripper/soldier is so common in every fantasy videogame, comic, game, book out there that it causes it to lose credability.
hell even look at DE if they all werent sex obsessed torture loving rapists it wouldnt make sense to have them that over-sexed

if they didi it i think GW would go the stripper/solder way because its the norm so im happy with a sausage fest regiment cuz in the end its solid compromize

Eh, I'd much rather see women treated as equals rather then show as objects of sexual desire.

Of course, I'll probably have to go the opposite way in artwork, since WH;40k is basically selling adolescent fantasies.

Well if you think about it. In the imperium all humans serve the emperor alone. So yes, if you think about it, women would have the same "serving" rights as men. A example is that women would be alowed to do all roles men can do (excluding space marines, as the way they are geneticlly engernierd cannot be used for women)

So inmy opinion, the role of women in the Imperium is the same as men's.

The whole FSM thing is a thorny issue. Personally, I'll laugh my ass off if it suddenly dawns on GW there's a potential market there and offers them. We'll see so many SM players go into epileptic fits I'd make a SM army just to watch the other players foam at the mouth.