Hi guys, I just finished making a couple pairs of biosword arms for Chapterhouse studios.

Instead of just one arm for big and medium sized creatures... we opted to make both left and right versions... also If you noticed and since they are biological arms, they have some diferences between them just to make it more interesting and fresh to the painters.

Chapterhouse folks asked me to insert some sort of crystal (due to fluff) in some place so the interior side of the swords have them instead of the mysterious eye that is present on the exterior side of the blade...

Without further talk here are some pictures...



Some huge zoom ins just for you guys check the texture and detail work






Oh and dont forget that version 1 of whips is also done... I will do a more classical whip version asap.

Great work...you guys keep tempting me to start a Tyranid army!

I imagine that NAVARRO will soon be Chapterhouse's #1 Sculptor, if he isn't already!

Fantastic stuff!

Awesome.

Excellent work as always Navarro! Nice to see your sculpts coming available for purchase now; if it's reasonably priced to purchase and ship from Chapterhouse, I think I'll get a few. Any idea when these would come available?

And how's the work coming along on the Mycetic Spore? Are you also the one who's going to make the Tervigon/Tyrannofex (conversion) set for Chapterhouse?

Redemption wrote:Excellent work as always Navarro! Nice to see your sculpts coming available for purchase now; if it's reasonably priced to purchase and ship from Chapterhouse, I think I'll get a few. Any idea when these would come available?

And how's the work coming along on the Mycetic Spore? Are you also the one who's going to make the Tervigon/Tyrannofex (conversion) set for Chapterhouse?

Shipping is always affordable, its as low as $5 and it maxes out at $12.50 for larger shipments. That is international and in the US pricing.

I am hoping to offer the swords from $4.00 per pair to $6.00, maybe less depending on the casting cost.

Navarro has seen the WIP for the Tervigon kit, it WILL modify the GW Carnifex kit, but the beasty will be bulkier and larger once it is assembled.

Nick

Tervi kit will be done by other chapterhouse sculptor, this way I can concentrate on the versatile pod kit with lots of options

What is the estimated release date for arms and tervigon?
I prefer to buy everything in one go, including the current heads and some SM vehicle stuff.

Tervigon is still very much a work in progress, the arms will be molding in about 1.5 weeks.

Talk about continued sexyness.

The carapace on the upper arms is a bit oddly shaped (too many bumps and curves) but the detail work on the swords themselves is lovely.

Kroothawk wrote:
I prefer to buy everything in one go

Me too.
But the Pods are the most important things to order.

THis just makes me wonder why it takes so long for GW to get anything done hehe. Looks great Nick and Navaro!!

Oh thats simple, they are a big huge company that wants only your money

We actually play the games!

Those are epic! I just stopped by the site after seeing this and I am sad that Chapterhouse has nothing for IG :(

Find me a talented IG sculptor as well as some ideas

Just to clarify, the big pair is for monsterous creatures and the smaller ones for warriors right? Very sexy indeed.

Hmm... honestly they look awesome, very well done indeed. However, not quite what I was expecting... I think there's actually a little too much going on, but that may be because I need to see them painted up in some manner.

Initial concerns: I think the blades might be covered too much by fleshy bits, lessening their immediate visual impact. Again, paint job could certainly change this opinion. Also think there may be too much going on, esp. on the pommel sections for the smaller blades.

I really want to see these painted up as they look tremendously well done, but the aesthetic may not fit my style.

Chapterhouse wrote:Shipping is always affordable, its as low as $5 and it maxes out at $12.50 for larger shipments. That is international and in the US pricing.

I am hoping to offer the swords from $4.00 per pair to $6.00, maybe less depending on the casting cost.

That sounds very reasonable indeed! Can't wait to some the finished casts, preferably painted and on a model.

Navarro has seen the WIP for the Tervigon kit, it WILL modify the GW Carnifex kit, but the beasty will be bulkier and larger once it is assembled.

Nick

Are there public WIP pics? I'm curious! Do you also have a Tyrannofex kit in the pipeline?

I'm kind of dissapointed, the forearms are too bulky and the sword part is too busy

We actually play the games!

Wat to few if you´d ask me

Lookin great. I'm gonna be getting back into my nids soon (waiting on tax return :p) so I will be picking up some of these for sure

Here's my criticism of the bio swords: You have fleshy bits wrapping over the end of the blade that's designed to be driven into enemies. It's like cutting a steak but wrapping your finger around the sharp edge before you do so.

I would have liked them to be a bit longer, right now they look like bio-cleavers

Only downside i am seeing to all your bug releases is you keep making things I want before the previous things are released, leaving me in a constant loop of wanting to make an order but wanting to wait for the new stuff

Breotan wrote:Here's my criticism of the bio swords: You have fleshy bits wrapping over the end of the blade that's designed to be driven into enemies. It's like cutting a steak but wrapping your finger around the sharp edge before you do so.

Maybe they evolved fleshy bits over certain areas of carapace...to inject toxins into the wound as the sharp bits lacerate them... .

Or maybe since they are power weapons, they have some sort of psychic-bio field around the weapon itself that a) protects the weapon and b)disrupts anything that the weapon comes into contact with

I am debating on modifying the Greens after the originals are molded to make them a bit more slim-lined. We would have 2 versions that way.

Nick

Chapterhouse wrote:Or maybe since they are power weapons, they have some sort of psychic-bio field around the weapon itself that a) protects the weapon and b)disrupts anything that the weapon comes into contact with

I am debating on modifying the Greens after the originals are molded to make them a bit more slim-lined. We would have 2 versions that way.

Nick

now that I'd be interested to see. you have my vote for that.

Well thats what you get when I have green card to give life to the concepts inside my mind

Really something that always bothered me a lot on nids was the humanized styled weapons... bio pistols, hand held bio swords? Its silly on a organic prespective... organic things then do be much more random in apearance and much more symbiotic...

As for these swords well I imagined like a wild living creature and pretty much like, say a ballon fish, they would grow bigger and sharper when adrenalin kicks in... internal bones would grow sharper and bulkier and some flesh would burst under the pressure... ehehe never give me green card
Even so I maintained the blade look ( I would have prefered a more random shape) because its called blades afterall

I have to agree with a lot of the criticisms leveled at these... the giant lumpy forearms, the covering of most of the blade with flesh etc etc.

They do not scream Tyranid at me either, they are heavily lacking a lot of the iconic design elements, not sure if that is on purpose for legal reasons or just a design choice - but the lack of overlapping plates, generally too busy appearanc on what are commonly smooth areas, and the style of fleshy bits being extremely busy and tough to decipher. The also don't look at all like swords, more like giant glaves that are a bit to foreward heavy...

This is of course just my opinion, and as demonstrated above many people feel differently, but I would definitely make the next batch far more streamlined and sleek as opposed to these almost club like appendages in order to maximize the appeal in the community. Sometimes, less is more!

Well alot like them and alot want some changes. I think we will most definetly produce them as is, but I may have them modified ever so much to fit the current theme that some want.

It would not take much, some cutting of the plasticard to make them more bladed, smoothing or removal of the flesh on the blades, and a bit of trimming of the bulk on the forearms.

Eh, so dangit, we end up with 2 types of swords instead of one, I wont complain!

MajorTom11 wrote:in order to maximize the appeal in the community. Sometimes, less is more!

Well I do not have the crystal ball that gives me the prespective of what the community prefers or how to maximize appeal... I can only flesh out what I have in my mind... thats why I posted wip draws of these and from the feedback... I got the feeling they were apreciated... After concepts were aproved I did my best on sculpting them... apart from this I dont have the capacity of guessing its acceptance by such a diverse community. How many nid fans will hate it? how many non nids fans find these more appealing to them and start the bug way? etc... no idea.

Is it diferent? Yes. Theres no need for multiples or copies since you can get the original thing you like better right?... at least in my way of doing things... If a client aproached me and asked me to do a copy of something already created and sculpted I would reject it... not because I have primadona issues, but just because I dont see a point of not giving extra design options to a community and also because of course the IP issues.

Im both a nid and chaos player and I can see good uses for these, but maybe I'm alone there.

Less is more? You do understand that the nothions of less and more depends much on everyones personal tastes right...?
For you maybe to much and for others maybe its to less... for me personally? Its far from scratching the fat numbers of bioblades I could come up with... yet we have to be practical and flesh out one idea.

Do I have interest in making another version? Sorry nope, sculpted 4 blades and arms and need to move to other things.

The first thing you need to understand as a creative person is that every creation you produce will have mixed feelings, I embraced them all many years ago in my profession and the only thing that bothers me is when people dont comment my creations... so thanks all for comments... the only promise I can make is that I will give my best shot, beyond that its all a bonus.

Think about it this way.

You made something nice for tzeentch / chaos too! xD

Hey Nav,

I tried to be pretty clear that I was only speaking of my personal taste, and also to make sure to acknowledge a lot of people seem to love them! I apologize if that was not clear enough, I did not mean to make it an attack. The appeal to the community bit was to say I think there would be room for both types in terms of demand, and that you could kill it by covering all bases you know?

My comments were based solely on the style I would prefer were I to buy them for nids, as you say you expressly avoided the sword looking swords to focus more on non-anthropomorphic evolution.

Whether or not they are my taste, I still wish you guys the best with it of course!

I want to echo the above poster, they are very well done. I just feel the flesh covers a bit too much of the blade. Even with the bits that wrap over the sword (I actually like that touch!)

I know mate, and I didnt take it like a attack.
Just saying that its very hard to have any kind of idea if things will be accepted or not... as I said I can only give it a shot and hope it hits the target ehehe.

My target are all that need a bio blade for their convo projects and in the process help out chapterhouse to be stronger to the point that it can provide lots of goodies for the us all.

also keep the feedback comming I really apreciate it and Im not here just to hear the yay's i need the nay's also.

I hear ya bro, I also work in arts, so I know the drill. Just wanted to make sure that what I was saying was taken as constructive and from a point of view is all! It's a rough go when you put things on a forum, people will always find something to say if only to have something to say...

The key for me is just to focus on what is point of view stuff and what are legitimate structural/quality issues. To me, if people just say 'not my cup of tea' then that is pretty good, because they it is more focused on style than execution, which they would surely harp on were there an issue. Its when people who are into the style have nit-pics on the quality, then there is probably a more immediate concern.

Basically, you have the nids who like insect like armor and carapace with anthro swords, and on the other scale chaosy/fleshy evolution outside of the box style. Both will have their admirers and detractors im sure, but the great thing is, you have enough talent to meet either requirement, just depends on your goals!

Best of luck with the again, can't wait to see more!

I actually really like the stretches of 'skin' going around the blade. It makes the bonesword itself look like it's a foreign nonbiological structure sharpened and biologically attached to a creature via unpredictable growth.

It makes the Tyranids much more believable and not some organic-humanoid race. I've always hated the GW boneswords for looking too much like swords.

These are perfect. They're alien enough to be Tyranid and yet sword-like enough such that a guardsman that survived the butchering of his squad would report that the enemy used "swords".

Personally I like them, I like them a lot and am amazed about the sheer number of weird bio organic ideas that went on the sculpts.
I´ll definately use them myself.

As for the criticism of the flesh covering the blade edge, well its dirt simple to solve really, just have all points where the flesh crosses over the bone blade be "capped" by a small GS blob made to look like a protective bone housing.

Also a question, is the white "blade" really thin with sharp edges?

The only thing I think looks weird are the crystals, with no sharp edges they dont really strike me as crystal looking.
The crystals look exactly like my own do before I cut the soft sides down to sharpen the edges. This is extremely simple, just cutting down with a scalpel along each plane and I´ll end up with sharper crystals that look like this:



But this is not complaining, just nitpicking and I dont give a crap, I´ll have a bucket of those swords for my future alien themed nids no matter what people think.
Good job Navarro.

What's going on with the Eldar farseer/warlock jetbike conversion kit?

I´m holding it in my hands, brushing up the finals, making parts of the ornamentations crisper and sculpting "force field projectors" for the jetbike.
Just finishing up Revs already awesome sculpts.
Dunno when it will be ready, I´m doing the best I can so it wont be long.

I don't like these at all. I had emailed and requested these a long time ago, and said that I would buy 36 sets for my 6 broods, but these do not look tyranid at all.

The would work great for chaos, I also think they look very good, just not for Tyranids.

They look like bat wings, or flippers on a swimming monster.

They do not look like a limb with a sword attached. They look like you will have arms that come off the models with these odd perpendicular shaped blades coming off of them. Further more the cutting edge has a pad over it that the Nid would sever off if it even used them.

How would the 'Nid extend it's arm to stab, they look way to stubby and plain weird.

The Whips also do not look like whips. They look like long snake bodies with huge vertabrae with a tentacle coming off.

I am hugely dissapointed, but I hope Chapterhouse does well with these as the service provided is invaluable.

OMFG, PICS!!! jk a little peek would be great. Btw, I just got my alien heads from chapter house and they rock.

Pyri, are those your sallies??? AMAZING

Pyri, are those your sallies??? AMAZING

Yeah, you missed them after all the painting threads?
I have tons of minis painted up in my gallery.

@Navarro:
Please keep on going with your rich, crazy and mind-blowing organic designs. I am sure that enough people will appreciate and buy them, including me.
Everyone else can get the simpler hand-plasticardblade-somegreenstuffornament designs by maxmini or on ebay (e.g. by Oni from Warpshadow).

I love the eyes, they make it look like the Soul Edge. Keep up the good work!

Well Nav, as I said on Frothers, I liked your version with multiple eyes best. Otherwise they're cool as hell. I don't mind the flesh extending to the blades since I'm willing to suspend disbelief for Tyranid creatures.

I do think you could alter them to fit the wants stated above by integrating the flesh and bone a bit more cleanly to make it almost like a scale structure instead of a fleshy organism that's wrapped itself over a bone.

I have to say those bits are pretty amazing. You guys should do bases, too.

NAVARRO wrote:

MajorTom11 wrote:in order to maximize the appeal in the community. Sometimes, less is more!

Well I do not have the crystal ball that gives me the prespective of what the community prefers or how to maximize appeal... I can only flesh out what I have in my mind... thats why I posted wip draws of these and from the feedback... I got the feeling they were apreciated... After concepts were aproved I did my best on sculpting them... apart from this I dont have the capacity of guessing its acceptance by such a diverse community. How many nid fans will hate it? how many non nids fans find these more appealing to them and start the bug way? etc... no idea.

Is it diferent? Yes. Theres no need for multiples or copies since you can get the original thing you like better right?... at least in my way of doing things... If a client aproached me and asked me to do a copy of something already created and sculpted I would reject it... not because I have primadona issues, but just because I dont see a point of not giving extra design options to a community and also because of course the IP issues.

Im both a nid and chaos player and I can see good uses for these, but maybe I'm alone there.

Less is more? You do understand that the nothions of less and more depends much on everyones personal tastes right...?
For you maybe to much and for others maybe its to less... for me personally? Its far from scratching the fat numbers of bioblades I could come up with... yet we have to be practical and flesh out one idea.

Do I have interest in making another version? Sorry nope, sculpted 4 blades and arms and need to move to other things.

The first thing you need to understand as a creative person is that every creation you produce will have mixed feelings, I embraced them all many years ago in my profession and the only thing that bothers me is when people dont comment my creations... so thanks all for comments... the only promise I can make is that I will give my best shot, beyond that its all a bonus.

Don't apologize for your artistic vision. Just make more gribbly bitz for us to enjoy.

Tacobake wrote:I have to say those bits are pretty amazing. You guys should do bases, too.

NOOOOO!
Every miniatures producer and their mother make bases.

Plus, if the Mycetic Spore base is any indication, Navarro would be too good at making bases.

We have been thinking of doing bases...

In a different manner then everyone else though.

Really like the looks of these pieces lads, excellent work.
Delighted to see small entrepreneurs stepping into the gap to help out those of us lacking in the artistic skill to do stuff like this ourselves. I must say, between the bone swords and the different style heads, I'm bloody tempted to start a "chapterhouse" nid army...

I'm approving of them. Tyranids should look far more like their weapons are 'home grown', so to speak, rather than their Imperial equivalents.

I do think they could have been slightly extended/thinner though, simply because I think those suit scything talons more than boneswords.

Ketara wrote:I'm approving of them. Tyranids should look far more like their weapons are 'home grown', so to speak, rather than their Imperial equivalents.

I do think they could have been slightly extended/thinner though, simply because I think those suit scything talons more than boneswords.

Yeah, that would fix them a lot. Also, if the blade wasn't sculpted so perpendicular to the arm. These arms make a T instead of a more wide angle.

Chapterhouse wrote:Well alot like them and alot want some changes. I think we will most definetly produce them as is, but I may have them modified ever so much to fit the current theme that some want.

It would not take much, some cutting of the plasticard to make them more bladed, smoothing or removal of the flesh on the blades, and a bit of trimming of the bulk on the forearms.

Eh, so dangit, we end up with 2 types of swords instead of one, I wont complain!

this sounds like all sorts of catering to your customers.... I love it.... I may just end up buying a couple of pairs for my swarm lord


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Ketara wrote:I'm approving of them. Tyranids should look far more like their weapons are 'home grown', so to speak, rather than their Imperial equivalents.

I do think they could have been slightly extended/thinner though, simply because I think those suit scything talons more than boneswords.

well if we're talking about blade width i'm sure we ourselves can shape the blade alittle

Let me clarify my comments. I don't mind the flesh on the blades. I mind the flesh on the cutting edge of the blades. That part of the bit is counterintuitive but the rest of it looks good.

Chapterhouse wrote:We have been thinking of doing bases...

In a different manner then everyone else though.

To be honest I don't think bases represent a 'low hanging fruit'. There are so many base companies out there that you'll really have to do something novel (or extraordinarily cheap) to make an impression. I'd stick with conversion bitz unless you've got something really clever in mind for the bases.

Definately have to order some of these when they become available - everyone is right, it's nice to see a company dedicated to sculpting bits that actually are needed and in demand with the newer codexes. Seems most of the other companies produce more off-the-wall stuff that only fits in very fluffy armies or specific niche places.
I was very impressed with the alien heads - I remember several years ago seeing the "Alienid" site and having to cut, scrape and green stuff alien heads on the whole army - really a pain.
Definately interested too in the Tervigon conversion - hoping it won't be too expensive of a conversion pack, although I think it was said it is based off the Carnifex box (which ain't cheap).

You will have to have a carnifex kit, and then add ours to it.

It is either that or sculpt a huge monstrosity of a new beast that will probably cost the same in the end.

I have never seen bases that excited me enough to buy them. I mean glue, sand and gravel works just fine really.

Unless you are playing industrial, space-station or urban boards.... not to mention alien environments, crystals, lava and others... Then there are those who just model and like a purty base for our one-offs.

Sand and static grass work nicely in most cases though you are right.

I actually theme my bases to the army, so any cool bases I'm always ready to consider.

I do have to say the larger blades are growing on me a bit more, but I'm gonna wait to see what the 2nd wave will look like. I need to find the old concept art from gw that showed some ideas for boneswords, one of which looked similar to these but had a sweeping cresent blade.

That's a total side note tho... Hope that second wave comes soon!

Marrak wrote:I actually theme my bases to the army, so any cool bases I'm always ready to consider.

I like to do that as well, with elite armies like Eldar and Chaos Dwarfs. But with a 200+ body count Tyranid army, this will become very expensive.

Let me clarify my comments. I don't mind the flesh on the blades. I mind the flesh on the cutting edge of the blades. That part of the bit is counterintuitive but the rest of it looks good.

All up to Nick and time, if I can get my hand on them I can easily fix the flesh-over-sharp-edge problem.

Don’t put too much time into doing bases there are too many company’s at it already. Stick to the pads and conversion parts that you’re so good at

I'll buy these, and a few other things you guys sell in bucketloads!

Kroothawk wrote:

Marrak wrote:I actually theme my bases to the army, so any cool bases I'm always ready to consider.

I like to do that as well, with elite armies like Eldar and Chaos Dwarfs. But with a 200+ body count Tyranid army, this will become very expensive.

Hence why my nids are on a desert world.

And mine come from a model railroad gravel planet

Are those arms/blades to be metal or plastic when finished?

I am leaning towards white metal, the cost is lower for me, and that means for you as well.

The whips would bend with metal, not in resin.

Nick

Chapterhouse wrote:I am leaning towards white metal, the cost is lower for me, and that means for you as well.

The whips would bend with metal, not in resin.

Yes, but WHEN?!? I think it's too late for Adepticon (2 weeks from today), but it they were available in the next 14 days or so, they'd be in time for the SoCal Slaughter in Space....

wow, thats bio weapons are wonderfully detailed! good job. The lash whip kinda reminds me of the alien xenomorph's tail...

Navarro sculpted the Spinal whips to be able to be used for converting the xenomorph tails if one wanted to do that.

Yeah I am saddened by missing adepticons deadline. But I dont think there was much to do about that.

Nick

These will be in resin (the first run at least) and will be available for preorder next week. Keep an eye out, these will sell fast and most likely sell out (like our resin Xenomorph heads, backordered).

Nick

Those look fantastic!

I am still eagerly awaiting another sculpt of the bone swords.

I love these! Very cool, unique take on the bonesword idea.

Any ETA on these bad boys yet? I can't wait to purchase some! and the Lash Whips too!

Just spoke with our caster. Molds have been made, expect the first shipment out late this week.

Pre-orders will be taken for the first allotment Weds or Thursday of this week.

I will say that the cost per pair of arms/blades will be no more then $3.50-4.00 (compare that to maxmini $2.74 for just bio-swords (no arms included))for monstrous creature size and $2.50-3.00 for the warrior size pairs of arms.

That is my best guestimate and will have a firm price as soon as the caster sends me the info in a day or two.

Orders will be taken at the end of this week to ship out next week. If the xeno heads are any indication of demand these will be selling out as fast as they are made!

Nick

Any chance some unpainted/painted pictures are made of the final versions? Preferably some mounted on models to show off the scale?

Also, any time indication on the Tervigon and Mycetic Spore kits, or at least some pictures of them?

As soon as I get the first cast in, Ill take some shots for size comparison. (I was excited to get them molded so forgot when I have the greens in hand :( )

Tervigon and Mycetic Spore are worked on, Navarro said the spore has the main shape done.

My tervigon sculptor is doing a great job, the conversion kit will be true to the illustration in the book, and will make your carnifex kit look great!

Nick

That's good to hear about the Tervigon kit, though I'm guessing that's quite a bit down the line.

I'm just looking forward to these swords and lashwhips for now.

Not as far as you think

Pics of any of these W.I.P.?

Chapterhouse wrote:Tervigon and Mycetic Spore are worked on, Navarro said the spore has the main shape done.

Well, with "main shape done" Navarro means that he has made a big green stuff egg of the approximate size



Who can blame him for having fun with private bug projects after 2 years or so of commission work.
In the pic you see his newest termagants with fleshborer on its back and ripper bodies as heads.

Nice!

Do you have any Previews of the Tervigon kit too, Kroothawk?

Sorry, no. Navarro posted these over at Warpshadow. I don't even know who works on Chapterhouse's Tervigon.

I am hesitant to post pictures of any WIP until they are near completion, lately a lot of competition has popped up since we started showing people the way of the "avoid GW legal trouble" path

Well, then that's fully understandable.
Still, looking forward to buying up a great deal of things from you, if you maintain that quality on the Bone Swords and Lash Whips!

Chapterhouse wrote:I am hesitant to post pictures of any WIP until they are near completion, lately a lot of competition has popped up since we started showing people the way of the "avoid GW legal trouble" path

I know, I was disappointed in your bonesword arms till I realized they weren't yours! I'm very excited to get yours (after I realized which ones are yours), when are they going to be up for preorder?

Chapterhouse wrote:I am leaning towards white metal, the cost is lower for me, and that means for you as well.

The whips would bend with metal, not in resin.

Nick

For the bone whips I don't mind metal due to the need to bend them but I would highly recommend resin for the bone swords as it is much easire to magnitize...and we all know how much nid players love (need) to magnitize.

wyomingfox wrote:

Chapterhouse wrote:I am leaning towards white metal, the cost is lower for me, and that means for you as well.

The whips would bend with metal, not in resin.

Nick

For the bone whips I don't mind metal due to the need to bend them but I would highly recommend resin for the bone swords as it is much easire to magnitize...and we all know how much nid players love (need) to magnitize.

Esp, for Warriors. That's the big one for me right there.


Still no Preorder up though :(

They will be resin, molds are made.. I am working on the cost now.

Chapterhouse wrote:They will be resin, molds are made.. I am working on the cost now.

Do you mean the Whips are Resin as well? or just the arms?


Also, does this mean preorders will be up tonight?

Whips are metal the wouldn't work as resin unfortunately. Pre-orders will be up this weekend (very busy with planning a birthday and other things in my personal life ATM).

I am trying to work on the pricing to get it lower as well.

Chapterhouse wrote:Whips are metal the wouldn't work as resin unfortunately. Pre-orders will be up this weekend (very busy with planning a birthday and other things in my personal life ATM).

I am trying to work on the pricing to get it lower as well.

Ah, the Whips being metal is good, I was confused for a second.


Take all the time you need, I'm just really eager to order some!

With Pre-orders this weekend when is expected ship date?

Sorry if I missed that.

They will be shipped out the 2nd week of April.

Nick