This is pretty much the first big conversion i have ever attempted, it ended with a bit of success but there is still some major room for improvement. i found an old Zoids figure a few days ago, and instead of throwing it out i decided to do something a bit creative with it, so with some amature skill and grace it became Raptornought. its actually a legal dread, and i can use it at my local store, it sports a CC weapon with an integrated twin linked bolter, and a twin linked lascannon on the other arm. so here check it out

Very Nice!!

That looks like a Zoid with some 40k parts hastily glued to it, then painted with gloss blue. As much as I love dinosaur robots and inventive dreadnought conversions, I'm not a fan.

Burn it with fire.

Yeah sorry for sounding harsh but I really don't like it. It's just a plastic toy with some 40k parts hastily glued on.

Valk

Not for me, I'm afraid....

Sorry, I just don't like it. The assembly is rushed, the painting's rushed, and it doesn't even look like you used primer. It just looks really, really cheap, above all else.

In all honesty, I just hate the idea in general, but if you're going to try with something like this, you need to sit down and take your time. Plan out where you're going to place your parts, how your going to place them, what parts you'll need to scratch build. When you're painting, for the love of god, prime it, then just take your time to use thin coats, and finally wash it. It just looks hastily slapped together with no sense of direction.

Thats a bit harsh guys. looks okay to me.

Harsh or not, I'm with those guys.

Okay then,i've seen a lot worse paint jobs. dont be put off mate.

Wait a second is that a zoid toy i see used as a base?

Boy Oh boy the worlds really starting to change

While I agree the paint job could use some work, I think the concept is just fine.

This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

God i totally agree, i mean whats next? some slow sticking plasticard on a mr potato head and calling it a stompa?

My psychic visions are telling me that this is going to degenerate into a "what's next" thread where all of us hobby snobs try to one up each other with our fears for the gaming table...

As for me, and this is God's honest truth, I honestly did exactly what I was describing against an ork player a couple months ago. He had two kleenex boxes he cut in half, glued ork tires he got from... someone... to the sides and called them trukks. Not to mention his lego battlewagon.

DeathGod wrote:My psychic visions are telling me that this is going to degenerate into a "what's next" thread where all of us hobby snobs try to one up each other with our fears for the gaming table...

As for me, and this is God's honest truth, I honestly did exactly what I was describing against an ork player a couple months ago. He had two kleenex boxes he cut in half, glued ork tires he got from... someone... to the sides and called them trukks. Not to mention his lego battlewagon.

My statement was sarcasm, someone DID make a mr potato head stompa and it was fething awesome.

God, that model is awesome.

But that's not what I was talking about, and I think you know it.

Whoever made that stompa took their time and devoted much love and effort into making it amazing. He definately did NOT "stick plasticard on it and call it a stompa."

The Night Stalker wrote:This is pretty much the first big conversion i have ever attempted, it ended with a bit of success but there is still some major room for improvement.

The OP introduced the project as his first conversion, and went so far as to add the caveat that there is room for improvement.

@The Night Stalker: I like it. Don't be discouraged. For a first attempt this is very good. There are lessons to take away, like using the right glue carefully and sparingly, thinning your paints with a drop or two of water, or more thorough integration of GW bits. The scale matches up well, and the model represents a DCCW and TL-Las nicely. Everybody is going to have their opinion, and they're entitled to them. In the end, yours is the only one that matters. Do you like the finished product? Then slap it on a table and roll some dice! If somebody won't play against you because of one (painted!) dread counts-as, then shrug it off and find somebody else who will.

For what it's worth, this is miles better than a lot of other "conversions" that sometimes crop up at the FLGS. Coke can drop pods, shoebox battlewagons, pill bottle carnifexes, many without a lick of paint on them.

Keep building, keep experimenting, keep trying new things. It's the fastest way to improve your skills.

I agree with teek, the OP clearly has an eye for conversion even if he does not yet have the experience and skill level to produce something like the stompa I linked.

Give it time and I assure you that you will get better quite quickly.

Oh and teek if your still looking around I would be interested to see if i fit into your "crappy ork converter" category my conversions are in my p&m blog

I think it is a great conversion, you show a good eye for conversions. Anyone who would "pack up and leave" if you tried to play with it clearly has some larger issues with their obsession over toy soldiers.

One thing I would have done differently would be to not have the raptor claw on the side with the lascannons. Instead using the claws on the other arm, or just save them for something else later. I also think the placement of the twin linked bolter could be a bit better, as it is Raptornaught looks like he might smash his bolter when he smashes into something squishy.

You might also want to pick out those shoulderpad spikes with something either silver (to match with the lascannons) or something like that. You did a lot of work to put the spikes there, now you just need them to be visible!

Mmm, and finally, the feets look like they just blend right into the base.

But like I said, its a really cool conversion. It looks fun and I'd be willing to fight it on the tabletop.

Im sorry, but i wouldnt play with that. Also, I highly doubt that that model is legal in tournements, becuase Its majority of pieces is not games workshop/ forge world made. Lastly, if you do use that model, its not legal to have anymore dreadnaughts unless they look almost exactly like that one.

Jollydevil wrote:Im sorry, but i wouldnt play with that. Also, I highly doubt that that model is legal in tournements, becuase Its majority of pieces is not games workshop/ forge world made. Lastly, if you do use that model, its not legal to have anymore dreadnaughts unless they look almost exactly like that one.

That is not true at all.
Talk to Ork players about scratchbuilt and convered pieces and you will find that quite often one truck/dread/Killakan/BW/etc look NOTHING like the others...that is kinda the point of scratchbuilding and cenverting

Do I like this model? Not really...in fact, not at all.
Will I discourage new builders from experimenting? Certainly not!
Keep experimenting until you get models that your opponents will love to play against. Remember the "rule of cool" - if it looks cool , it will most likely be "legal" at any game store

It was a good idea, but I think the simplistic style of the zoids line offsets it with the ornate detail normally found on miniatures, especially space marines (and ESPECIALLY dreadnoughts). If I were you, I'd probably add some more imagery and such to make it more space marine-ish. As for the paintjob, darker colours would probably work better for this sort of thing. As it already looks very cartoonish, a grittier paint job will tether more into the realm of 40K, and not Zoids.

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

I agree with Deathgod in sentiment, just not in degree. When one is being unnecessarily rude, you need to take it to the next level.

If that "so-called model" was placed on the table during a game at my FLGS, I'd simply leave, come back with a can of gasoline, and burn it down with everyone inside, while swallowing a delicious punch made of lemonade, clorox, and broken glass. Taking toys and converting them is the CANCER that is killing our hobby, which is 100% serious business.

ok, all joking aside, it's a good start, but you could definitely use better integration of the bits, priming before you assemble, and what the other people said.

Nuwisha wrote:Anyone who would "pack up and leave" if you tried to play with it clearly has some larger issues with their obsession over toy soldiers.

QFT

I mean, This is still play of toy soldiers. We can call it super uber pro hobby to make ourselves a bitt less geeky, bu the sad truth is, that this weekend my toy tanks will be driving around toy buildings trying to shoot toy aliens. If I'd play with OP, I think my only reaction would be "o wow, raptor dreadnougt", and I would spend next few hours trying to kill it.

corpsesarefun wrote:

DeathGod wrote:My psychic visions are telling me that this is going to degenerate into a "what's next" thread where all of us hobby snobs try to one up each other with our fears for the gaming table...

As for me, and this is God's honest truth, I honestly did exactly what I was describing against an ork player a couple months ago. He had two kleenex boxes he cut in half, glued ork tires he got from... someone... to the sides and called them trukks. Not to mention his lego battlewagon.

My statement was sarcasm, someone DID make a mr potato head stompa and it was fething awesome.

This example of the Mr. Potato head conversion shows a good example of a bit of experimenting.

The raptornaught is a good idea. though as has been mentioned take more time over this. Think clearly what army you are hoping to put it in and look at adding more bits that complement it.
Don't be discouraged. ignore the people who have merely slagged this off, and take those who are offering sincere criticism as a means of improving for the next one.

P.S. always prime please

i think that some people have truly lost contact to civilization due to their time consuming hobby.
otherwise i can´t understand such harsh criticism. the overall paint scheme is recognizable when compared to his gallery pix and fits right in.

for my it looks either that the op is of younger age or has very little time for his hobby, but wants to field models to play at a table. concerning playing against a a converted dreadnought like this: absolutly yes!
for me it looks good, and also i am far away to judge paintjobs as i am on my way to field such a cool wip fig.

well i think it shuld count as wip because it has enough room to develop and that also my own models are constantly developing in fashion is always romm to better one self in pinting and gaming.

i say have fun and read the constructive critics and try and play further

Jollydevil wrote:I highly doubt that that model is legal in tournements, becuase Its majority of pieces is not games workshop/ forge world made.

Who cares?

Lastly, if you do use that model, its not legal to have anymore dreadnaughts unless they look almost exactly like that one.

Say who?

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

How about you make the criticism constructive rather than destructive? The original poster has tried to make something different. There's a lot of things wrong with it but if making comments you could try to offer some actual advice rather than just being aggressive and ridiculing them. You may not want to play it, but I assume that you do play against high quality conversions, so perhaps you could lend them your years of experiance to tell them how to raise their game to produce things that are a sufficient tabletop standard.


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Hi, I can see you've had a go at doing something, but like others I'm going to have to say that it's not good. What you have gow it not so much as a conversion but a model with a handful of other parts stuck on from the bits box. This is exagerated by the way the raptor is mostly blue, and the other parts are different colours. The way to get conversions to work is to integrate the seperate components in a more efficient way. For instance, the raptor doesn't need the arms and the guns, it's cluttered and the bright green and silver of the gun just make it looked tacked on as an afterthought rather than because of a specific design you were working towards. The warhammer shields...you put them on because they were in your bits box yeah? When making a conversion or scratchbuild you need to think about what you want to achieve, have some kind of vision, doing things as afterthoughts is not good. Do some drawings and have a good look at the parts you want, maybe you need to wait and buy or swap to get certain things you need. Rarely will you have everything you want and that everything will go to plan during the modelling process, but the more concessions you make and corners that get cut the worse it will look eventually look, so there's a pay off. Have a look into some of the blogs and conversions topics on the forum for ideas, some of the things on here take my breath away but I will be encouraged to produce something from them. You seem like an enthusiastic young player, don't let this all put you off. I've been doing this a few years now and can assure you that everyone has produced stuff so embarassingly bad they certainly wouldn't a) admit to having even made it, and b) take photos and put it online for criticism. Look at the genuine advice given in the thread and see what you can do in your next project.

uhg

ph34r wrote:uhg

Fetterkey wrote:

ph34r wrote:uhg

Alerian wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:Im sorry, but i wouldnt play with that. Also, I highly doubt that that model is legal in tournements, becuase Its majority of pieces is not games workshop/ forge world made. Lastly, if you do use that model, its not legal to have anymore dreadnaughts unless they look almost exactly like that one.

That is not true at all.
Talk to Ork players about scratchbuilt and convered pieces and you will find that quite often one truck/dread/Killakan/BW/etc look NOTHING like the others...that is kinda the point of scratchbuilding and cenverting

Do I like this model? Not really...in fact, not at all.
Will I discourage new builders from experimenting? Certainly not!
Keep experimenting until you get models that your opponents will love to play against. Remember the "rule of cool" - if it looks cool , it will most likely be "legal" at any game store

In legal terms, it is. The rules say if a model doesnt have the majority gw made pieces, it cant be fielded. Also, ALL of the same model type have to have a similar resemblence. Read the rules.

Jollydevil wrote:In legal terms, it is. The rules say if a model doesnt have the majority gw made pieces, it cant be fielded. Also, ALL of the same model type have to have a similar resemblence. Read the rules.

That's only at tournaments, and nowhere did the OP claim he was using it in tournaments. It doesn't say anything about model composition in the BRB (IIRC), nor model similarities. Not to mention, not all models have to have a similar appearance, it just makes it a hell of alot easier for your opponent to distinguish between what your proxies are. But a proxy is a proxy. For the sake of the thread, let's not try to take an inflammatory position against other members shall we? If anything, take it to PM.

Anyways, I like the idea of this model, but feel that it could have been executed better. Perhaps a meshing of this Zoid toy and a Defiler model would have made a cool conversion, but as of right now, it's a mess.

I realize. My whole piont was IF he were to try and use it in tournements. Read my whole post next time.

wow, thanks for all the flame, it was just a test conversion, it was an old toy i was just going to throw away, but decided to do something with, i know its not good, but i don't really care its a legal piece at my gaming store and everyone there was just fine with it. the paintjob is better than in the pics since those pics are terrible. but hey next time instead of using 40 posts to tell me how much I suck, why dont you all try and be a bit constructive. thanks for wasting my time

Thank you for sharing your first conversion with us, I can only apologise for those here who decided to stamp all over another gamer's first foray into kitbashing a model.

Whilst this thread has shown some of dakka's membership in a very poor light, I only hope you will continue, both to post new works and to continue to use your imagination and creativity to model new and exciting work for your hobby.

Just bear in mind that the internet teems with armchair coaches, some of them are quite young or otherwise excused for their frankly infantile and overblown criticism without merit.

Keep on trucking. Don't let em put you off future projects.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Thank you for sharing your first conversion with us, I can only apologise for those here who decided to stamp all over another gamer's first foray into kitbashing a model.

Whilst this thread has shown some of dakka's membership in a very poor light, I only hope you will continue, both to post new works and to continue to use your imagination and creativity to model new and exciting work for your hobby.

Just bear in mind that the internet teems with armchair coaches, some of them are quite young or otherwise excused for their frankly infantile and overblown criticism without merit.

Keep on trucking. Don't let em put you off future projects.

+1

CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM *is* OK.

Slagging off on someone's work to the point that it is borderline insulting, or straight up insulting?

THAT IS NOT OK.

Everyone please keep this in mind going forward.

Ignoring RULE #1 is ESPECIALLY FROWNED UPON in the Painting and Modeling sections of Dakka Dakka.

If anyone is unclear about what the rules of Dakka Dakka actually are, please click on the link in my signature.

And tread very, very carefully in the future.

Maybe a bit cartoonish, but I like it, good conversion.

I really like it. i think it would be cooler as an ork dredd, but i like it quite a bit the idea is cool, i had often thought of using old zoid figures for converting. but yeah maybe just clean it up a bit and itll be perfect.

Well, counts as Space Wolves marines called Cobalt Raptors.

Use this as the dred, use cold ones from the dark elf range as the thunderwolves. Use salamanders bits and pieces from Chapterhouse for the vehicles (dark blue instead of green) and use black ark corsairs cloaks on the marine vets or terminators.

corpsesarefun wrote:

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

God i totally agree, i mean whats next? some slow sticking plasticard on a mr potato head and calling it a stompa?

Or putting marines on the backs of wolves?

On second thought a robot dinosaur is actually cooler then marines on the backs of wolves....

I like this zoid but could never think of anything to do with it.

http://zoids.wikia.com/wiki/Molga

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Thank you for sharing your first conversion with us, I can only apologise for those here who decided to stamp all over another gamer's first foray into kitbashing a model.

Whilst this thread has shown some of dakka's membership in a very poor light, I only hope you will continue, both to post new works and to continue to use your imagination and creativity to model new and exciting work for your hobby.

Just bear in mind that the internet teems with armchair coaches, some of them are quite young or otherwise excused for their frankly infantile and overblown criticism without merit.

Keep on trucking. Don't let em put you off future projects.

+3

Don't let 'em get you down. We all start somewhere and there are elitist snobs everywhere. The whole point is to try things out, learn from your mistakes (and successes) so that your work gets better and YOU HAVE FUN.

I saw the words 'raptor-nought' and dived straight in here.

Good effort. Others have given some painting and modeling advice so I'll just say that I want to see more.
(I'm eying up kids toys for conversions atm).

Firstly MGS +4 (I think that was the tally).

It's an ok conversion (believe me I've seen worse!), like the others my opinion is it just needs refinement, maybe even move the lascannons up onto the shoulders (like I think the original zoid had).

Kind of like the shields on there, creates a more smooth armour plate that blends better.

I see that the mature people have finally found this thread. thanks for what little constructive criticism came out of this thread. this was a very haphazard project, and I admit I don't really love it all that much, but I really wanted to do something with this thing instead of just throwing it out. It was deemed a legal unit at my local store, it was successfully fielded when i played yesterday and even scored a kill on an enemy dread. its a ramshackle piece but I only really started this whole interest last month, so with a little work and effort I hope I can eventually replace the not so good looking pieces with better ones. so I extend my thanks to those who posted well written, constructive comments since my last post.


here is something that came out much better i did this about a year ago, again it was an old toy, but it was executed with better materials and with alot more planning

Okay, that I like. Looks noticeably different from the base model, though I think you could have made the extra armour look a bit less bolted-on. Good job.

That is a far better conversion, and it really shows that you planned it out. Actually took me a minute to figure out it was a Warthog. Care to show more camera angles? I'd like to see the rest of it.

they are up in my gallery, camera throws a little bit too much light on the model though... there's a front and rear angle.

I think the planning really matters It took me about a week to make that warthog thing. while the raptor took about a day.

Howard A Treesong wrote:I like this zoid but could never think of anything to do with it.

http://zoids.wikia.com/wiki/Molga

before this thread i never heard of zoids...
i like them. are they also sold in germany? does someone know?
and for this caterpillar zoid: it screams nid to me. make hive tyrant from it. could be cool^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:

Howard A Treesong wrote:I like this zoid but could never think of anything to do with it.

http://zoids.wikia.com/wiki/Molga

before this thread i never heard of zoids...
i like them. are they also sold in germany? does someone know?
and for this caterpillar zoid: it screams nid to me. make hive tyrant from it. could be cool^^

They are one of those 1980s toys that has been done several times. They were clip together models with wind up bits in them that makes them walk or drive around the floor. I had the molga when I was young but lots of parts got lost over the years. But some years ago they did many of them again, so I bought another Molga. There are more being made now but they seem to have new scupltsw. They are cheap enough on eBay, take a look. Molga is about 6 inches long.

had a quick lookaround at ebay, yep can be bought.

if i ever complet my sm da then orcs and after that certainly nids with a nice zoid conversion.

thx for the help

Alpharius wrote:CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM *is* OK.

Slagging off on someone's work to the point that it is borderline insulting, or straight up insulting?

THAT IS NOT OK.

Everyone please keep this in mind going forward.

Ignoring RULE #1 is ESPECIALLY FROWNED UPON in the Painting and Modeling sections of Dakka Dakka.

If anyone is unclear about what the rules of Dakka Dakka actually are, please click on the link in my signature.

And tread very, very carefully in the future.

I totally agree , when i was reading through some of the comments in this thread i felt really bad for the creator of the thread. If it was me who had created this model i would be really upset with the comments i would have recived , yes it is not the best looking of models out there but this does not give the right for others to totally abuse CRITICISM. If this was me and i was a user of www.dakkadakka.com i would be ashamed of myself for such comments seeing as dakka dakka is such a nice community.

I however do agree that the second conversion is much better and looks as it has much more time and effort put into the modeling of it , Good job so far.

~UnDeAd~

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

I agree with the 100%

Alpharius wrote:CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM *is* OK.

Slagging off on someone's work to the point that it is borderline insulting, or straight up insulting?

THAT IS NOT OK.

Everyone please keep this in mind going forward.

Ignoring RULE #1 is ESPECIALLY FROWNED UPON in the Painting and Modeling sections of Dakka Dakka.

If anyone is unclear about what the rules of Dakka Dakka actually are, please click on the link in my signature.

And tread very, very carefully in the future.

I assume this comment had me in the crosshairs... well, that or my overinflated image of my own worth makes me think it is.

I'd like to ask what, exactly, about my comment violated rule #1? And I'd like to ask you, politely to answer here instead of PM so that everyone can know the answer.

"When you see something that you find silly, rude or insulting first assume that perhaps there is more to it than you initially thought. Look at it again, keeping in mind that tone and inflection is difficult to convey in a visual format. It may be that the person is attempting a joke or is exaggerating on purpose."
Did that. I didn't see anything in the OP's post about the model being for laughs, or being in any way not serious.

"If after clarification you still disagree with the person then politely outline your points. "
I did exactly that.

"Try to avoid name-calling or even implying insults wherever possible."
I did this, too. There isn't one instance of name-calling in my post, and I certainly don't *think* I implied any insults.

I certainly offered some opinions of the hobby that were definitely prompted by the OP's post/presentation. My opinions, being my own and not fact, seeing as they are opinions, are certainly valid.

Am I a hobby snob? Admittedly. I game and hobby with some of the best in America (I sit at my FLGS's paint bar with 4 Golden Demon winners, Brian Shaw and Matt Sterbenz being the two heavy guns), not to mention that the store's owner is a former LA Bunker Manager. I work hard for my money at a regular job though, and I spend alot of time working on my models, with care and tremendous effort. I have the same opinion of the guy who glues Ork Trukk tires to a kleenex box and calls it a Trukk. Or the guy that puts a Todd McFarlaine toy on the table and calls it a titan.

If YOU don't mind kleenex box rhinos and old lego Battlewagons, more power to you and the guys you allow to use them. In my OPINION though, its a drag on the hobby. Its insulting to anyone who puts care into their modeling and/or saves money to buy a GW kit rather than gluing leftover lascannons to an old toy. Worse, when on the table at the FLGS, it propogates the negative stereotypes that surrounds our hobby. Worst, when a potential new player considering starting in the hobby sees something like that its a huge deterrant.

Really?

First of all, my post was meant to be a general warning as MANY in this thread went a bit too far.

But, you insist, so then, what about THIS:

DeathGod wrote:This "model" represents everythign that is wrong with our hobby.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a friendly game at my FLGS, I'd simply pack my miniatures up and walk away, without another word.

If that "model" was placed on the table during a tournament, I'd walk right over to the organizer and inform him that my opponent just chose to forfeit.

I didn't drop $500 dollars and spend months painstakingly building and painting my army to have someone mock me and my hobby by gluing a lascannon to a toddler toy and dropping it in a bucket of Testers.

What's next? Glue a couple of PVC pipes to my little sister's old care bear teddy bear and call it a stompa?

do you feel is not over the line?

Constructive criticism does not involve insults, bizarre extrapolations and descriptions of potential temper tantrums you might throw at some mythical tournament in which you and the OP find yourselves across the table from each other.

And remember, if you have a problem with ANYTHING a Mod does on this site, I encourage you to take it up with Yakface.

edit: Spelling!

*ahem*.. how 'bout them models then eh ?

Pfft, you're no fun

Anyway, I'm a supporter of the idea of converting old toys and things - final approval depends on execution. For example, raptornaught I'd fail, but the warthog conversion I'd pass. I think the OP should continue practising.

DeathGod wrote:Am I a hobby snob? Admittedly. I game and hobby with some of the best in America (I sit at my FLGS's paint bar with 4 Golden Demon winners, Brian Shaw and Matt Sterbenz being the two heavy guns), not to mention that the store's owner is a former LA Bunker Manager.

What the feth is this?
You sit with good painters and that entitles you to be an arsehat?
Your stop owner used to run a Bunker...

So, what's that then, greatness by association?

This thread represents the first steps of a guy learning a craft and you decided to take a dump on his cornflakes, your a poster who seems to have a 'very important opinion' on others work, yet there's nothing on your gallery here, nor any pictures in threads, not one, anywhere on this forum ever containing your work. Those of us who remember Rogue Trader can tell you that in that book, produced by games workshop, there was a grav-tank made out of a deodorant bottle, they make considerably better kits these days and given the right encouragement and productive modelling criticism, the OP's work can continue to grow.

You talk like an expert but you've not had the balls to put your own work on the forum, so you'll forgive me if I advise the OP and others here to treat your 'expert opinion' with more than a pinch of salt.

Alright firstly the comments made here are horrible! jesus the guy just tried to make a model your all acting like hes committed a capital crime.

To the op i wouldnt have used the toy I would have used components the cog bits work really well with something admechy so a Dreadnought kit the cogs strategically placed in the joints and rivets would have made for a interesting archaic machine.

Your painting NEEDS to improve seriously just take more time and more effort and then you should get it just right.

DeathGod wrote:

I game and hobby with some of the best in America (I sit at my FLGS's paint bar with 4 Golden Demon winners, Brian Shaw and Matt Sterbenz being the two heavy guns), not to mention that the store's owner is a former LA Bunker Manager.

Is it hard to concentrate on painting with these guys? With all the screaming fans, the underpants being flung at them, and the paparazzi, and what not?

I'd wager that less then one person in 100,000 even knows what a "Golden Demon" is.

Yea but remember they sit next to these guys and their grandous ideals rub off onto them its like "Please hobbygod! lend me some of your awesomenesssesss"

I have honestly never seen a guy get laid into so much as this poor SOB has.

Deathgod one piece of advice dont argue with a MOD.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

DeathGod wrote:Am I a hobby snob? Admittedly. I game and hobby with some of the best in America (I sit at my FLGS's paint bar with 4 Golden Demon winners, Brian Shaw and Matt Sterbenz being the two heavy guns), not to mention that the store's owner is a former LA Bunker Manager.

What the feth is this?
You sit with good painters and that entitles you to be an arsehat?
Your stop owner used to run a Bunker...

So, what's that then, greatness by association?

Either that or it's that guff about having a job and how much he spends on the hobby. And if some kid can't also afford to "drop $500 dollars" on models then he should get out of the furnace, or something.

Hobby Snob?? wasnt really aware that the term even existed

In a way Im glad I dont spend too much time at the old FLGS anymore.....

Stop the madness!!! i see now that creating this thread was a mistake, honestly I don't love this model, it was a rushed project and I should have spent more time on it, while this didn't turn out that great I still like the idea of converting, and the idea of robot dinosaurs, if they still make these old zoid kits I might get a few and plan a project out, I might even ask for advice before I dive right in, and again I like constructive criticism, but I don't appreciate insults, so deathgod and the others who couldn't muster up an intelligent opinion get with the program or please don't comment on my threads anymore. I'll keep this thread in mind when I'm deciding weather of not to post something

Modquisition on.
Everyone move on now.
Lets refocus on the mini in a critical manner. If you cannot do that, do not post in this thread. This is the final warning and should be viewed as a public warning to all. posters after this open themselves to suspension. Be advised this would be an excellent way to get suspended if you so desire, whoever you are.

The Night Stalker wrote:I still like the idea of converting, and the idea of robot dinosaurs

I wasn't too fond of this particular robot dinosaur, but greatly love the idea of a Raptornaught in general. Also, this thread gave me an awesome idea for a teddy bear-PVC stompa conversion, so it wasn't all bad.

Have you considered stripping it down and starting anew on it? There are a ton of posts on her on stripping paint from minis.

Perhaps you could re-imagine the model as a daemon engine, and work from there?

Ouze wrote:

The Night Stalker wrote:I still like the idea of converting, and the idea of robot dinosaurs

I wasn't too fond of this particular robot dinosaur, but greatly love the idea of a Raptornaught in general. Also, this thread gave me an awesome idea for a teddy bear-PVC stompa conversion, so it wasn't all bad.

Have you considered stripping it down and starting anew on it? There are a ton of posts on her on stripping paint from minis.

Well I just went over to amazon and searched the zoids kits, and I'm a bit confused, they are really really expensive, I'm guessing they are pretty much all discontinued, and i'm not really sure of their scale. i got this kit a very loooong time ago, probably at a toys are us. I used to love the zoids TV show when I was in middle school, It was pretty popular back then, but its a long dead anime now. if somebody can find some cheap and to scale figs put up a link.

Personally I like the potential this still has. Needs more conversion work to 40kify it really. Still looks like what it first was.

I think it looks fine for a model that was bashed together without a clear plan. It could easily by retro-improved with a bit of greenstuffing and so on and a new paint job.

Sketching ideas is a good way of planning a conversion. Having said that I often divert from my plan and start bodging pieces as the project progresses. No plan survives contact with the enemy!

Last note -- the old Zoids are really good sources of vaguely SF mechanical bitz, though checking eBay quickly, the prices seem rather high for something you're going to saw up.

Demonslayer82 wrote:Hobby Snob?? wasnt really aware that the term even existed

I direct you to coolminiornot.com

All the evidence you need.

The Zoids can be used as some good conversion material from looking at them. They have a more mechanical appearance and would fit well with some proper attention to detail in the right places to fit with some armies. For the raptor i would think making it a bit more angled in appearance so it would give the look of armor plating would be a good start then from there add bits to compliment the army you are going to attach it to. for orks i can see Zoids working extremely well if done right.

I quite like the idea, but for me it doesn't seem 40k enough. Not that that stops people , I've seen Dune themed armies and deamon circus armies. If you took this one all the way and did 2000pts worth , filling in various troop types with dino-robots it would probably rock.

By the way I was late to this thread and I couldn't find the place to pick up my pitchfork and burning torch, sorry.

well for conversions a realy cheap suggestion:

mc donalds toys. and if that isn´t cheap enough try fleemarkets or garage sells. i constantly scan such possabilities and have a great suply from there. only down part: i am working on a sm armee and i consider this kind of conversions more related to orish armees...

also a quick scan on german ebay showed not so expensive auctions

Wow, I thought that the YMDC forum was supposed to be the heated one, but this without doubt tops any thread I've ever seen in terms of pure vitriol, and I've been privy to some pretty nasty flame-wars.

About the Raptornought... I'm going to have to agree with the majority of the posts here and say that it's definitely got promise, but the execution just needs some work. I really like the idea and can see this actually being quite cool. I also wouldn't hesitate to play against it. But yeah, with just a bit more conversion work and a new paintjob, I think it could be greatly improved.

No matter what, though, consider this: It still looks better than the GW Chaos Dreadnought. If they can get away with selling that, you have nothing to worry about.

while, I completely agree with the fact that this model is Horrid, i dont have much room to talk because i have not posted much yet. HOW ever, would suggest to the OP to try and use things, not from the toy world and use things from the modeling world. There really is a biiiiiggg difffeeernce.

Keep up the good work Night Stalker.

Personally I don't like the model but thats just me. I spend days on one mini!!! Ha.

I'd still play ya though. As long as I don't play with your mini. He stays on your team.

To the mini snobs, let people play whatever army\mini they choose. You play your own mini's and enjoy yourself!! Im happy to blow up tissue boxes disguised as ork truks with my Eldar.

The Night Stalker wrote:
Well I just went over to amazon and searched the zoids kits, and I'm a bit confused, they are really really expensive, I'm guessing they are pretty much all discontinued, and i'm not really sure of their scale. i got this kit a very loooong time ago, probably at a toys are us. I used to love the zoids TV show when I was in middle school, It was pretty popular back then, but its a long dead anime now. if somebody can find some cheap and to scale figs put up a link.

Ok I've been lurking on this for a few days now. I've got some things to say to you Mr. Night Stalker.
Firstly, Zoids FREAKING RULE! Well done for taking something that's already awesome and thinking of a way to do something even awesomer with it! Props to you!
Secondly, does the mechanism still work? How awesome would it be to have that bad boy stomping around the battlefield!!?

So we've established that quite a lot of people on forums and the internet in general feel empowered by their anonymity (sp?) and sometimes go a but far with the criticism. I for one commend your idea; it's aces. Robots + Dinosaurs + 40k = Epic Awesome.

In regards to your comment on Zoids kits; the original run of Zoids was in the mid 80s - this became known as the OAR (Original American Release) - in Europe and Japan it was OER and OJR (do the math )
These kits are going to be quite expensive these days as they are collector's.
Since then they were all rereleased as Zoids2, and then again several times into what became known as the NAR (New American Release) and other territories respectively. There have been literally five or six "versions" of each Zoid toy released, each under new and exciting brand names. Seeing as you're going to be converting these up, try and find some of the more recent kits. You can grab a few incomplete etc kits on eBay or somewhere similar for pretty cheap.

There was a brief period where Zoids went a but crap (about 5 years ago I think), and now we're getting these even newer kits, called MMK (I think) which is Master Model Kits. These are new sculpts of the old designs, similar to the way GW and others do things (New Leman Russ kit for instance, or Classic Transformers). These are rather expensive, but then they are also rather brilliant.

I would love to see a Zoids-themed army; such a cool idea. I hope my information serves as a slight help to you, and not a hindrance. If you're ever confused about several Zoids with the same name, all being sold under different prices, just get the cheapest one. The build quality and model will be comparable no matter which one you buy, don't pay out for a toy you're going to convert up and paint yourself.

As an afterthought, have you seen those spiky trophy racks you get on Chaos vehicles, termies and dreads? Some of those glued on somewhere would be wicked-bad.
Keep up the good work dude, don't pay attention to the haters.

Yes, the zoids are variable in price because some of them are in original packaging. If you look for the later re-releases by toy companies like Tomy they are considerably cheaper.

Yes! I like all the feedback so far, I think I am going to continue work on this mini since it can definitely be greatly improved, I'm thinking about adding some angular armor plating, kind of like I did on the warthog thing, I was thinking about using mat board for the armor plates but I might hold off a bit until after Easter, because with the money I hope I get I'm going to get a shadow sword superheavy tank, and I'm really eager to see what leftover bits I can collect from that kit.

I still have questions though, tell me what you think of these ideas.

-Definitely need to fix the paint job, probably going to take more time, apply a more even coat of ink.
-i'm going to stick with the TL lascannon, however should i remove those green wires or keep them attached.
- I like the CC claw weapon, but I will listen to suggestions on improving it
- i'm not really sure how to address that huge space on the back of the model, and where should the armor plates go?

@ Howard A Treesong: preach on brother, my first convertion was for gak but dam if I wasn't proud of it

@Night Stalker: Dude, keep up the good work, I'll definetly play against it and remember, what does not kill you, makes you stronger, (except if you play against my Blood Angels, melta to the face lol)

Wait, I have another question, should i repaint the Lascannon blue to match the majority of the fig, leave it silver, or paint it some other color?

my opinion: keep the green wires. they get the look away from an organic kind of vehicle to a monterous machine thats constructed by technicans. it is debateble if they should stay green or if you should think about the entire colour scheme anew...

as for your lighnings search for tutorials of how to make lighning, cause when done right they are way cool and i think they would then fit the overall appeareance of your figur quite good.

i am looking forward for new pixs of your promising development.

The Night Stalker wrote:

-Definitely need to fix the paint job, probably going to take more time, apply a more even coat of ink.
-i'm going to stick with the TL lascannon, however should i remove those green wires or keep them attached.
- I like the CC claw weapon, but I will listen to suggestions on improving it
- i'm not really sure how to address that huge space on the back of the model, and where should the armor plates go?

Firstly like some of the people in here, Im not a huge fan of the model, but I see the potential for it to be much much better.

-I'd definitely recommend thinning your paints, it can be difficult and time consuming I know, I'm still trying to get completely used to it myself. The bases paints through me off, but It was pointed out to me by my local redshirt that for every three parts paint use two parts water or if thats too "bubbly" use two parts pant one part water. Seems to work so far.

-Keep the wire, but maybe put a little more detail into it, like the things holding it in place. But over all I think due to the Raptor's size maybe replacing it with auto-cannons and changing it to be a Defiler would work better, that could also help fix the issue you have with the empty space.

-If its a dread, well I don't know what to tell you about that, but if it were a Defiler you could fill that void with a Battle Cannon and it housing, maybe also create an ammunition feed as well.

The Night Stalker wrote:Wait, I have another question, should i repaint the Lascannon blue to match the majority of the fig, leave it silver, or paint it some other color?

Silver would be best as it is supposed to be Night Lords and most Night Lord Weapons are a silvery color.

corpsesarefun wrote:God i totally agree, i mean whats next? some slow sticking plasticard on a mr potato head and calling it a stompa?

I agree with this - it's a rushed job. And I'm not against using models. I, for example, have made a Great Knarloc for my Kroot using an old Jurassic Park Velociraptor toy - but it's taken massive amounts of work to disguise it. I don't like lazy conversions and would rather not play against them - with the following stipulation.

If an Ork player had converted Mr Stompa Heads, I'd happily play him. That is all.

I agree the lightning needs to be redone, I can do nice looking lightning, I just quickly rushed it this time.

I actually might go and buy new paints before I continue work.

good input so far

one other suggestion: try to keep the shine down. i dont think you tried to achieve a shiny army or did you? i am as well in the process of getting rid of the shine by my own models...

since i have a small budget i cant afford to have the über sprays that fix it instantly...

well that shine is a product of an inkwash and a really annoying camera flash. in RL the model is not that shiny and certainly not that blotchy.

here is another pic with the flash off, its a much darker color with less blotches. I'm going to redo the lightning soon

Edit: http://www.coolminiornot.com/store/section.php?xSec=80&xPage=1&jssCart=7efe324269130850ccc64e282c4ad329

what are the scales on these, I love them

I still in general like this conversion the idea is there Ok so maybe its not golden daemon winning great but as a early conversion it dose its job once pointed out as "this is the dreadnought stand in" i don't imagine i would get it confused with anything else plus it shows promise for future conversions

i know that an inkwash can shine the model up, it is realy anoying. just when you think nothing bad is gonna happen and your about to be done with it it glows ... seems i need to find me a bottle of varnish thingies...

Viktor von Domm wrote:one other suggestion: try to keep the shine down. i dont think you tried to achieve a shiny army or did you? i am as well in the process of getting rid of the shine by my own models...

since i have a small budget i cant afford to have the über sprays that fix it instantly...

Testors Dullcote spray (from the plastic model section of your local hobby store). It's about $3 per can. Works even better than the more expensive mini-specific stuff.

is this also available in germany? and what would be a translation be?

I haven't the foggiest idea, sorry!

But try checking someplace that sells military plastic model kits. They should have something similar.

yep will do that, thx anyway

Miraclefish wrote:

corpsesarefun wrote:God i totally agree, i mean whats next? some slow sticking plasticard on a mr potato head and calling it a stompa?

I agree with this - it's a rushed job. And I'm not against using models. I, for example, have made a Great Knarloc for my Kroot using an old Jurassic Park Velociraptor toy - but it's taken massive amounts of work to disguise it. I don't like lazy conversions and would rather not play against them - with the following stipulation.

If an Ork player had converted Mr Stompa Heads, I'd happily play him. That is all.

As already pointed out by a few different mods.... Don't like it don't post. If you have nothing to say other then negative junk then move along.

Seeing how the Nightlords like using over the top terror tactics, I think a Nightlords dread/warmachine that looks like a toothy dinosaur is totally reasonable especially if those crazy Dark Mechanicus guys made it for them.

As has been mentioned, the painting could be improved and the integration of Zoid and GW bitz could be better, but pay no attention to the people who complain about your conversions. Before Games Workshop lost its soul, they encouraged kitbashing and proxying. While you may not be following the "letter" of today's uptight Games Workshop, you are definitely following the "spirit" of yesterday's fun Games Workshop. The original 40K rules (Rogue Trader) were meant to be played with whatever you had on hand, be it Citadel miniatures or Star Wars figures. You used to see a lot of Zoids parts used in conversions featured in White Dwarf back then. The previously mentioned Rogue Trader Deodorant Gravtank even had parts from the Guysak mounted on it.

Howard A Treesong wrote:I like this zoid but could never think of anything to do with it.

http://zoids.wikia.com/wiki/Molga

I actually did make something out of the Molga back in my Rogue Trader days. I used it as a mini Imperial Termite. I don't think it was a totally original idea though as I seem to recall seeing part of a Molga in an old White Dwarf conversion.

I think the back looks fine but if you want to tart it up a but cut some 'cooling fins' out of plastic card and mount them like dinosaur armour fins.

I like the suggestion above, but since I'm figuring this to be Night Lords, what about red wings? Also, personally, I'd think it could use some highlights, and/or picking out some of the detail panels.

Really like the TL lascannon. I'd keep it metal to stand out a bit. Looks like it is going in the right direction.

I'd have to say that if I was seeing a freakin' robotic dinosaur heading down the field to me, I'd be good ad terrified, which is kind of the point of the Night Lords, right?

I like the idea.

The arms are actually well integrated between GW and the ZOID, but I would make the lascannon arm solely shooty, and take the claw off.

Also I see on the legs where you tried to integrate the GW bits on the legs, I think the bits you used themselves are a little small and would be better if you added some plasticard to them so they came over the side of the legs some like extra armor.

I think integrating GW armored chaos bits like the leg guards from defiler and what not could make this a decent model. The body just needs some more loving.

I actually like the claw arm a lot, and think you did a good job integrating the lascannon.

As for the lightninng or energy patterns you put on the model, I think you should layer some paint on it to make it look better, like maybe keep the white but then put either yellow, blue, or green as a thinner line over them so only a little of the white shows, maybe not blue since the model is very blue

Don't worry about the elitists, a lot of people play for fun still

Thanks for the suggestions, very helpful.

Legendary Post.

6+ years later?

Please - no.