I've been pondering this for a while:

We've had people produce Female IG, and hoards of daemonettes of various makes and models, though no BS for obvious reasons.

Considering that there seems to be a demand for such a thing, even if it's only to piss off a certain type of gamer, why has not one of our talented modelers made some resin Female Space Marine bits?

I know *I* would gladly buy some.

Oh god, here goes the female space marine fest again.



Sorry, there is just not enough gamers out there that would make it worth the time scuplting, molding, and casting just to get a C&D from GW legal.

This does a lot of things, but "sparks fear into the enemies of the Emperor" isn't one of them.

Well, personally I would love it, I really don't care for any of the SoB models. I'd love to see some new custom ones.
I'd buy some, or in the name of C&D, pay for the mats to make them and the "shipping" which can be pricey..

Finnlock

The point wasn't 'are there female space marines' but 'since there might be a demand for resins of this...'

Ironically, I can think of dozens of websites that have gotten C&D's, but not one caster of resin bits. Even TPC never got one, after how many thousand female Cadian bits?

And how many billion bits has Chapterhouse Studios hammered out?

Irondog studios got one for their Grotzookas. They are back on their store as scrap launchers for the old metal cans. I think since the Old Kans are OOP then GW is turning a blind eye.

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Where the did that come from. The beakie helmet is a bit big but damn. 100% armored and still doesn't leave much to the imagination does it? Take off the helmet can she could be a buck tooth . Still that is one of the best female space marines I have ever seen.

Well, the obvious way around is to not call them space marines. 'Sci-fi armored females' is good, and if they're the same scale as a SM, and capable of accepting SM arms/shoulderpads... huh. I wonder how that happened? (And helmets)

Well, I would do some legal research before you move ahead with anything. Best to be prepared.

BaronIveagh wrote:I've been pondering this for a while:

We've had people produce Female IG, and hoards of daemonettes of various makes and models, though no BS for obvious reasons.

Considering that there seems to be a demand for such a thing, even if it's only to piss off a certain type of gamer, why has not one of our talented modelers made some resin Female Space Marine bits?

I know *I* would gladly buy some.

This wouldnt fit the warhammer scenario at all for a couple reasons:
1. How do you genetically alter a girl to become a space marine and keep her looking like a girl still?
2. I dont think the emporer allows women to be in the army/navy/air force/special forces (Im not trying to be sexist here, so im sorry if i offend any of you women out there )
3. Whats the piont of producing the armor to fit women if there are only a couple of them? Not to mention the weapons would have to be reproduced to fit their hands better.
Other than the scenario issues, i think it would be cool to see an army of hot space marine girls.

BaronIveagh wrote:Well, the obvious way around is to not call them space marines. 'Sci-fi armored females' is good

Best route imo.

I think the problem most people have with people making female SM is because it's pretty contradictory to any of the canon. There's nothing that's stopping you from doing so, but it would be similar to making a female Skaven army or somesuch - an amusing diversion if done well, but never a legitimate army as far as the history of the WH40K universe is concerned.

This being said, I would LOVE some new SoB models, especially multi-part casts. One of the main reasons I don't ever think about my dream of making a WitchHunters army is because of the all-metal models.

In the end, it's all about what you enjoy about the hobby. If SM bewbs do the trick, then rock on!

DoW

Jollydevil wrote:
Not to mention the weapons would have to be reproduced to fit their hands better.

Actually, no. I dunno if anyone else has noticed this, but GW hands are all the same size. Too Big.

The idea is to make them as bits. That way they're not for any particular game. Take a look at Hasslefree's Power Armor Libby (and their non-Squats). Hell, Chapterhouse goes so far as to actually CALL their products 'space marine compatible'.

Jollydevil wrote:2. I dont think the emporer allows women to be in the army/navy/air force/special forces...

Just so you know, this isn't actually true. There are plenty of gals in the Imperial Guard Infantry, quite a few female pilots in the Imperial Navy and definitely female scouts and snipers in spec-ops divisions (Tanith, etc). This being said, I don't believe they have female Stormtroopers or Kasrkin, but I might be wrong there.

DogOfWar wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:2. I dont think the emporer allows women to be in the army/navy/air force/special forces...

Just so you know, this isn't actually true. There are plenty of gals in the Imperial Guard Infantry, quite a few female pilots in the Imperial Navy and definitely female scouts and snipers in spec-ops divisions (Tanith, etc). This being said, I don't believe they have female Stormtroopers or Kasrkin, but I might be wrong there.

Plenty would not be the best word for this. There are few, but still some. that was my bad there. I still think i present valid pionts for the rest of it though.


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BaronIveagh wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:
Not to mention the weapons would have to be reproduced to fit their hands better.

Actually, no. I dunno if anyone else has noticed this, but GW hands are all the same size. Too Big.

The idea is to make them as bits. That way they're not for any particular game. Take a look at Hasslefree's Power Armor Libby (and their non-Squats). Hell, Chapterhouse goes so far as to actually CALL their products 'space marine compatible'.

Have you also noticed that all the imperial and human models are extremely short?
anyways, back to topic, Im talking about scenario, not models. So in other words, in real life, if it were the 41 millenium, the guns would have to be smaller. it illustrates it farely well in the pic below me i think, becuase it might be just me, but i think the plasma pistol looks tinier.

Jollydevil wrote:1. How do you genetically alter a girl to become a space marine and keep her looking like a girl still?

Mein Eyes!

So thats how the spehs marines do it...

Best.. reply.. ever from Breotan.

Wait, Sisters of Battle aren't men in drag?

O_O oh my god. D:

My dog couldnt look at it (and when she poops, it looks like a tribute to nurgel, hows that fer a mental image!)

I am moving this thread to Dakka Discussions. It is a general discussion rather than a specific proposal about sculpting a new range of figures.

Kilkrazy wrote:I am moving this thread to Dakka Discussions. It is a general discussion rather than a specific proposal about sculpting a new range of figures.

Um, Kill, actually, that was exactly what the thread was about: would anyone be interested in starting a new line of bits if I financed it. That's a very clear discussion modeling discussion, not a general one.

if 'curvy marines in powered armour' are released I would get a few.

If they are 'female space marines' Down to having 'purity' seals and similar looking armour to SM then count me out.

I want to use counts as minis for a varity of games not just 40k.

Breotan wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:1. How do you genetically alter a girl to become a space marine and keep her looking like a girl still?

That goes double for seeing yet another "female Mahreenz" topic.

Lol Jim Carrey. Anyway why would there be Female Space Marines?

Mods, please lock this thread. It's just going to wander further OT.

Female Slaanesh Marines with huge.. assets... and.. overfiend parts...

Dreadnought96 wrote:Lol Jim Carrey. Anyway why would there be Female Space Marines?

See my first post.

I just want to know why people want them so bad.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I am moving this thread to Dakka Discussions. It is a general discussion rather than a specific proposal about sculpting a new range of figures.

Um, Kill, actually, that was exactly what the thread was about: would anyone be interested in starting a new line of bits if I financed it. That's a very clear discussion modeling discussion, not a general one.

Hmm. You clearly said you would be interested in financing the production of a new line of bits? Well, let us look at your original post:

BaronIveagh wrote:I've been pondering this for a while:

We've had people produce Female IG, and hoards of daemonettes of various makes and models, though no BS for obvious reasons.

Considering that there seems to be a demand for such a thing, even if it's only to piss off a certain type of gamer, why has not one of our talented modelers made some resin Female Space Marine bits?

I know *I* would gladly buy some.

"Buying some" is not the same as financing the costs of production.

At any rate, your original question is valid. I think that there are probably enough 'sci-fi armored female' miniatures out there to satisfy the current demand, otherwise we'd be seeing more. And of course, there is the problem of how to get armor to indicate that the person inside is female. Boobs on a breastplate are pretty silly, from a protection standpoint. (SoB do an adequate job, though at the expense of putting the women in armor based on lingere.) I think that picture Breotan posted is the best example of a female Space Marine I have ever seen. Pretty damn cool.

Well, I wouldn't call it the "best"...the best I ever saw was shunned by most posters because it didn't have a big rack, slim waistline, and long legs. In other words, it was realistic, it looked like what a female Marine might actually look like, not the stupid anime catgirl fantasy that most immature gamers have.

This is a picture of what a female space marine looks like.....












If you want bewbs, go buy a magazine, for Gods sake.

I think female space marines are a silly idea.

Females in powered armour, on the other hand...

Jollydevil wrote:
2. I dont think the emporer allows women to be in the army/navy/air force/special forces (Im not trying to be sexist here, so im sorry if i offend any of you women out there )
3. Whats the piont of producing the armor to fit women if there are only a couple of them? Not to mention the weapons would have to be reproduced to fit their hands better.

I don't know about point 1, but your later two points are both incorrect, unfortunately.

2: Imperial fluff dictates expressly that the IG takes all manner of recruits from all over. For whatever reason, GW neglected to make more than a few female Commisars and infantry, but some models do exist to back up the fluff characters of female militants found in all the novels and the like. Not to mention Inquisitors, Sisters of Battle, Rogue Traders etc. that all requisition or purchase power armor.

3: Armor to fit women isn't very different from armor that fits men. Turns out women have 2 arms and legs attached nearly exactly like their male counterparts, with only slight variations for diameter in other areas. A larger concern would be that no manner of armor as all encompassing as power armor works in a one size fits all manner, and would need fairly extensive modification for each new user, male or female.
As to the guns, no... really no. Firstly women, again having nearly the same bone and muscle structure as men (though the fist actually does have some minor differences of note) do not generally need different handles for rifles or pistols than a similarly sized male, or even a fairly dissimilar male. Some might find certain grip styles more or less comfortable, whether male or female. For example, I dislike the grip shape of a Glock 22 .40 because the rounded grip doesn't feel right compared the Colt 1911 .45 I prefer. My 5'4 asian wife, however, has no preference between them. It is a common misconception that there are guns for girls as opposed to man type guns, but in reality there is very little issue around it, relating more to the upper body strength of the firer and the sort of hand design differences that adjustable grips solve quite nicely.

More on topic , females in power armor would be excellent for Inquisitors and Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy Characters. I would like to purchase 5-10 please.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I am moving this thread to Dakka Discussions. It is a general discussion rather than a specific proposal about sculpting a new range of figures.

Um, Kill, actually, that was exactly what the thread was about: would anyone be interested in starting a new line of bits if I financed it. That's a very clear discussion modeling discussion, not a general one.

What I mean is, the thread says in a general way, would anyone like some resin female Space Marines if someone made some. That's more of a discussion topic IMO.

I would expect a P&M thread to be more, "Here is how I made some female Space Marines, would anyone like some? If there is enough demand I will cast them." Of course if someone did post such a thread, it would probably get deleted for violating GW's IP.

Back on topic, I would buy some if they were done well. I like the pic of the female SM with the plasma pistol. It's clearly feminine, slightly exaggerated without being too cartoony, and I like the style.

However the detailing may be too close to standard GM figures to avoid IP violation.

I probably wouldn't make a whole army but I would be happy to buy a dozen or so to mix in with my GW marines, or for use in SF role-playing.

That female SM looks like an anime artist's rendition of a female Marine. Blah.

Yeah, I don't see how you can say that isn't cartoony, it looks like it walked right out of an anime parodying 40k.

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, I don't see how you can say that isn't cartoony, it looks like it walked right out of an anime parodying 40k.

Agreed,I'm in the "don't give a feth" catagory concerning the "Female SM debate",but that mini does indeed look like an anime sculpt.

Steelmage99 wrote:This is a picture of what a female space marine looks like.....

Beat me to it. If you want women in SM power armor, just find some heads you like and put those on. Otherwise, for the size of the armor that Marines wear, any modifications to accommodate the physical differences of the female body are all going to be internal. Externally, there's no reason for the armor to have any physical difference.

Bookwrack wrote:

Steelmage99 wrote:This is a picture of what a female space marine looks like.....

Beat me to it. If you want women in SM power armor, just find some heads you like and put those on. Otherwise, for the size of the armor that Marines wear, any modifications to accommodate the physical differences of the female body are all going to be internal. Externally, there's no reason for the armor to have any physical difference.

Other than to satisfy some peoples craving for boobs on power armor.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Kilkrazy wrote:I am moving this thread to Dakka Discussions. It is a general discussion rather than a specific proposal about sculpting a new range of figures.

Um, Kill, actually, that was exactly what the thread was about: would anyone be interested in starting a new line of bits if I financed it. That's a very clear discussion modeling discussion, not a general one.

I'm sure that someone would take you up on this offer.

Try some of the miniature sculpting forums out there, or possibly contact Chapterhouse and/or the Troll Forged guys?

I think you'd probably sell a lot of these, if they looked like that one picture posted earlier in this thread...

Sidstyler wrote:Yeah, I don't see how you can say that isn't cartoony, it looks like it walked right out of an anime parodying 40k.

It's fine if you don't like the style. Just suggest something else. It's a big galaxy.

Well, see here's the rub. IF there were such a thing as female Space Marines(as in: they received the same genetic treatments, etc as their male brothers)--there'd be no difference other than a bit of internal skeletal structure. Outwardly, they'd be the same as the males. No estrogen means no breasts, and even if they had them...I don't see the Astartes Powered Armour being remade just so that the ladies can show off the goods, do you? It makes *some* sense with the stylizing of the Sisters of Battle, but Astartes are all about function over form.

Dreadnought96 wrote:Lol Jim Carrey. Anyway why would there be Female Space Marines?

Because gamers are horny/creepy...

If people want to argue about the feasibility of female Space Marines they should go and do it in the thread in 40K Background.

This thread is for discussing the feasibility of resin model female Space Marines.

Except the two are linked completely. There's no real reason to make "resin female Space Marines" other than as stand-ins for a female Space Marine army...which breaks all fluff.

Now, if they were to make resin "Sorority of Conflict" models?

Different story.

The question is not "Would it be fluff?" but rather "If someone did this thing, would it sell?"

After all, unless you're going to a GW tourney, which, by the way, they seem to be looking to eliminate, why not make an interesting looking marine army amidst all the Smurfs?

BaronIveagh wrote:The question is not "Would it be fluff?" but rather "If someone did this thing, would it sell?"

After all, unless you're going to a GW tourney, which, by the way, they seem to be looking to eliminate, why not make an interesting looking marine army amidst all the Smurfs?

So, interesting looking means "requires breaking one of the very few immutable pieces of fluff and/or having boobmarines"? Why not just be like any other player and do something like...y'know, making your own Chapter, with a complete background and full conversions?

Either way:
I sincerely doubt this would be worth doing. For every person who says "Oh, I would TOTALLY buy this if it were made" and actually follows through...there's twenty who say the same and fail to actually buy what they said they would. I just fail to see the constant allure of constantly bringing up Femmarines.

Wehrkind wrote:

Jollydevil wrote:
2. I dont think the emporer allows women to be in the army/navy/air force/special forces (Im not trying to be sexist here, so im sorry if i offend any of you women out there )
3. Whats the piont of producing the armor to fit women if there are only a couple of them? Not to mention the weapons would have to be reproduced to fit their hands better.

I don't know about point 1, but your later two points are both incorrect, unfortunately.

2: Imperial fluff dictates expressly that the IG takes all manner of recruits from all over. For whatever reason, GW neglected to make more than a few female Commisars and infantry, but some models do exist to back up the fluff characters of female militants found in all the novels and the like. Not to mention Inquisitors, Sisters of Battle, Rogue Traders etc. that all requisition or purchase power armor.

3: Armor to fit women isn't very different from armor that fits men. Turns out women have 2 arms and legs attached nearly exactly like their male counterparts, with only slight variations for diameter in other areas. A larger concern would be that no manner of armor as all encompassing as power armor works in a one size fits all manner, and would need fairly extensive modification for each new user, male or female.
As to the guns, no... really no. Firstly women, again having nearly the same bone and muscle structure as men (though the fist actually does have some minor differences of note) do not generally need different handles for rifles or pistols than a similarly sized male, or even a fairly dissimilar male. Some might find certain grip styles more or less comfortable, whether male or female. For example, I dislike the grip shape of a Glock 22 .40 because the rounded grip doesn't feel right compared the Colt 1911 .45 I prefer. My 5'4 asian wife, however, has no preference between them. It is a common misconception that there are guns for girls as opposed to man type guns, but in reality there is very little issue around it, relating more to the upper body strength of the firer and the sort of hand design differences that adjustable grips solve quite nicely.

More on topic , females in power armor would be excellent for Inquisitors and Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy Characters. I would like to purchase 5-10 please.

The first point was already made, and I have already admitted it was a mistake of mine to say that. On the other part though, you are very much wrong. Armor for the men of the space marines is totally different from womens. Its like clothing. Do women fit comfortably in mens clothing? No. Thats why they make womens sized clothing. As for the guns, this follows the same ideas about police handguns. The reason why police officers cary an M9 and not a .45 is because the M9 was produced to fit womens hands better, since there are more women cops now adays.


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Steelmage99 wrote:This is a picture of what a female space marine looks like.....












If you want bewbs, go buy a magazine, for Gods sake.

Whats he/she wasting that bolter on the ground for?

Fluff aside I personally think it would be cool.

Especially as someone at present building a Slaanesh themed CSM army.

Im sure the forces of Slaanesh would have no qualms using their gene seed on some particularly sexy, evil and competant females

Malice

Female space marines are sisters of battle nough said haha

Female Space Marines? No.

Properly proportioned female models in power armor?

Yes.

Personally, IMHO, I think SoB could be seen as the response to people wanting female like SM characters. Yes they are not as strong but I honestly think they look a whole lot cooler the SM do. They have almost everything the SM do but the gene enhanced bodies. Also AFAIK, women could not withstand (correct me if I am wrong) most of the gene enhancing procedures that went along with becoming a SM.

So maybe you could make some and claim them to be one of the two missing legions in relation to one of the two missing primarchs?

I thought the Lion already filled the spot of the son that was really a daughter.

ProtoClone wrote:Personally, IMHO, I think SoB could be seen as the response to people wanting female like SM characters. Yes they are not as strong but I honestly think they look a whole lot cooler the SM do. They have almost everything the SM do but the gene enhanced bodies. Also AFAIK, women could not withstand (correct me if I am wrong) most of the gene enhancing procedures that went along with becoming a SM.

So maybe you could make some and claim them to be one of the two missing legions in relation to one of the two missing primarchs?

Actually, if you read through the 'creation of a space marine" there's only one point at which genes are altered which is the occulobe's alterations of the eye to increase light receptor growth. Reading through the system, they're introducing cultured organs into an existing biological system. It's more akin to giving them all baboon hearts, complete with chemical injections. There's a reason that, at the time the creation of the space marine article was written, Space marines never left their power armor as they'd die without the armor carefully moderating the chemical cocktail floating in their bloodstream. This has since been retconned, though how they're not dying now has never been explained, and is simply handwaived. Further, there is some mention of 'male tissue types' however, men and woman are largely interchangeable for organ transplants as long as they are a close genetic match, so if you favor more science then fantasy, the whole explanation falls apart at that point.

Further, the admech does not seem to distinguish between men and women when they're cultivating organs to start a chapter, though these people are used as living incubators for space marine organs rather then actual space marines. However, since the process does not kill them, the admech tech priests do, it casts the issue into doubt. Along with early female space marine minis.

As far as CSMs: Remember, in fluff daemons saw no reason not to make a woman a (particularly deadly, according to other Chaos Space Marines) CSM. So please note that fluff does have women becoming CSMs. Just Add Daemon.

Once again, though, we stray from the point: Would Female Marines Sell. We've ranted a lot about fluff, but still have avoided this issue by and large.

They would sell if they were done well, obviously not at the level of GW's SMs, but it could be a garage kit kind of operation.

Maby:

?

But, seriosly, Power armour would obscure all features.

Actually it wouldn't be hard to give them curves without 'basketballs' if you follow. It's a matter of shrinking the torso slightly, so that the midsection armor produces a more pronounced curve, and 'maybe' adjusting the chestpeice so that it projects a bit more. Though I did consider the idea that veteran Sargents and up might have a more obvious 'breastplate'.


To forestall the obvious snark which will follow: yes, the pervy side of my mind did suggest that like certain other SM chapters, certain parts of their anatomy might grow larger with age, but frankly, I think it's a bit too kinky to sell.

This idea has already been done.
Its well past the point of dead horse, and its on to Necromancy.




YOU need to PM Doc Thunder. I'm not going into details, but he's the one to talk to. You want female space marines? He's the one to talk to.

I think it might be neat for a gag, but to play a game, I don't think female space marines work very well.


As for the Female Space Marines, Sisters of battle have the armor, you jusdt have to file off the flure de le's and call it a day.
THAT would be your so called female space marines.

Bear in mind that any run of the mill marine would probibly shoot her in the face, if she wasn't designated to be in the mission area, as a threat.

I've seen examples of what happens when someone other then designated combatants wants to get in the mix and try to play army. They usually end up on the buisness end of a bolter.

Putting anyone other then a space marine in power armor is paramount to heresy. Your little wannabe space marine girls are going to get thier heads ripped off for playing around with the armor that has been designated specificly for the Adeptus Astartes.

Do you know the penalty for unauthorized modification of Imperial equipment? Its death.
Under several regulations, your little girls are going to be flogged, sent to a penal legion, or shot on site by the nearest commisar.

For one, there are no female space marines. You are either Sisters, or Inquisition, thats it. IG are low rung troops, and they are in line with everyone else.

Space marines are more then likely going to shoot anyone other then a space marine who ends up in power armor.

And to wear the power armor, you need to be modified, so to speak. Void has a couple of examples of what a female looks like in power armor, and They look just like you would think they look. same as your bubblegum crisis BS.

Seeing how the Imperium thinks about technology in the first place, the idea just doesn't fit.

Grot 6 wrote:This idea has already been done.
Its well past the point of dead horse, and its on to Necromancy.


YOU need to PM Doc Thunder. I'm not going into details, but he's the one to talk to. You want female space marines? He's the one to talk to.

I think it might be neat for a gag, but to play a game, I don't think female space marines work very well.


As for the Female Space Marines, Sisters of battle have the armor, you jusdt have to file off the flure de le's and call it a day.
THAT would be your so called female space marines.

Bear in mind that any run of the mill marine would probibly shoot her in the face, if she wasn't designated to be in the mission area, as a threat.

I've seen examples of what happens when someone other then designated combatants wants to get in the mix and try to play army. They usually end up on the buisness end of a bolter.

Putting anyone other then a space marine in power armor is paramount to heresy. Your little wannabe space marine girls are going to get thier heads ripped off for playing around with the armor that has been designated specificly for the Adeptus Astartes.

Do you know the penalty for unauthorized modification of Imperial equipment? Its death.
Under several regulations, your little girls are going to be flogged, sent to a penal legion, or shot on site by the nearest commisar.

For one, there are no female space marines. You are either Sisters, or Inquisition, thats it. IG are low rung troops, and they are in line with everyone else.

Space marines are more then likely going to shoot anyone other then a space marine who ends up in power armor.

And to wear the power armor, you need to be modified, so to speak. Void has a couple of examples of what a female looks like in power armor, and They look just like you would think they look. same as your bubblegum crisis BS.

Seeing how the Imperium thinks about technology in the first place, the idea just doesn't fit.

Achem: I've already talked to Doc, on numerous occasions. I'm aware of his CSMs and several other people's female Space marine minis. However, I'm looking to go a step beyond that. Most of them, so far, have just done headswaps or greenstuffed BS. The amount of heat that the issue seems to generate strikes me as a potential market, and assuming only 10% of the people screaming about them online one way or the other were to buy some, it'd probably be profitable.

And your ranting bravado does not phase me. The last guy freaked when he saw that I have quite a few of TPCs female cadians and gave me a similar rant that the Imperium requires all women to be barefoot and pregnant. His smurfs discovered that IG tanks and artillery don't care if the gunners have tits or not.

Cyporiean wrote:Female Space Marines? No.

Properly proportioned female models in power armor?

Yes.

Captain Shrike wrote:Maby:

?

Yes, and Hell Yes, respectively.

Great. Now I've gotta go look for bubblegum crisis.

I couldn't see myself buying a full female SM figure. I like the idea of female SM's, but I'd do it in a conservative manner, not over-emphasizing the femininity. To that end, I'd be the first to buy a few heads compatible with SM torsos that have feminine facial features, tomboyish haircuts, and Space Marine accouterments, such as scars/service studs, bionics and rebreathers. I might go for some boobed power armor, but only if it's done very tastefully.

Regardless, when I get my hands on the BA codex, I really want to do a female Sanguinary Priest for some reason.

Captain Shrike wrote:Maby:

?

But, seriosly, Power armour would obscure all features.

The only thing worse then a female space marine is an anime female space marine...

Well since this seems to be an informal poll; I personally would not be interested unless they could reasonably pass for Sisters of Battle.

Not power armour but still:

CT GAMER wrote:
The only thing worse then a female space marine is an anime female space marine...

/thread.

Jollydevil wrote: The first point was already made, and I have already admitted it was a mistake of mine to say that. On the other part though, you are very much wrong. Armor for the men of the space marines is totally different from womens. Its like clothing. Do women fit comfortably in mens clothing? No. Thats why they make womens sized clothing. As for the guns, this follows the same ideas about police handguns. The reason why police officers cary an M9 and not a .45 is because the M9 was produced to fit womens hands better, since there are more women cops now adays.

You are missing the point: The female parts are not the difficult factor here with small exception. Differences in sizes between humans in general cause most of the rework in armor. To go with your clothing example, not only can my wife only kind of wear my clothing (which doesn't stop her from pulling on my sweat pants or shirts when she wants to paint) but also I can not readily wear my brother in law's clothing, as he is about 100 pounds heavier than I am and 2 inches shorter.
To give a better example, my armor is made for me. It fits guys about my size pretty well. My helmet though is shaped differently than most, and is usually a hair big for most guys, making it difficult for them to see out of the front. Likewise my greaves are too long for my father who is actually an inch taller than me, but my bracers are too tight for him. The point of all that is that armor is exceedingly dependant on the size of the wearer and the shape, beyond gender issues. Boobs and bigger hips are not nearly so troublesome as long legs or skinny/fat waists, and the latter are not gender dependant. Since you are reworking armor specific to the wearer in any case, male and female distinctions are irrelevant.

Also, the police thing is not relevant. That decision was made by politico's who know nothing about firearms and training for their use. In fact you will find that many police officers are terrible shots, mostly because their gun is merely a tool of the job, and one whose use is avoided. Most serious shooters do not have issues along those lines, outside of extreme cases of handsize, and most can be adjusted with grips. Not to mention the fact that most rifle grips are 100% alterable, being designed as an add on to the weapon, not integral to the design as a pistol is. There is no reason why a bolt pistol or bolter that have their magazines fed forward of the handle would not have such flexibility. Likewise, plasma, las and melta also all have ammunition feeds seperate, so really there nothing going on in the grip.


As to purchasing, given that I have ~100 SoBs floating around, I wouldn't be looking to pick up any as stand ins for them most likely, but I would definitely be looking for females in powered armor, even if it wasn't a straight SM style. Saying one can file down SOB armor is pretty silly, given that there are about 8 total poses, all of which are metal and 4 of which have weapons molded into their torso which seriously limits the conversions. Not to mention that fact that I at least would like a less over the top religious armor for RT characters and the like in addition to pimped out Inquisitors etc.
And Dr Thunder's boys do good work, but they are a bit pricey I thought. My price point has probably changed a bit since then, but conversion bits for more femine scaled power armor, perhaps with different shoulder styles etc would be great.

Agreed, even though SM's are genhanced there still as diffrent from eachother as we are, therefore, all armour would be coustom fitted.

BaronIveagh wrote:

Grot 6 wrote:This idea has already been done.
Its well past the point of dead horse, and its on to Necromancy.


YOU need to PM Doc Thunder. I'm not going into details, but he's the one to talk to. You want female space marines? He's the one to talk to.

I think it might be neat for a gag, but to play a game, I don't think female space marines work very well.


As for the Female Space Marines, Sisters of battle have the armor, you jusdt have to file off the flure de le's and call it a day.
THAT would be your so called female space marines.

Bear in mind that any run of the mill marine would probibly shoot her in the face, if she wasn't designated to be in the mission area, as a threat.

I've seen examples of what happens when someone other then designated combatants wants to get in the mix and try to play army. They usually end up on the buisness end of a bolter.

Putting anyone other then a space marine in power armor is paramount to heresy. Your little wannabe space marine girls are going to get thier heads ripped off for playing around with the armor that has been designated specificly for the Adeptus Astartes.

Do you know the penalty for unauthorized modification of Imperial equipment? Its death.
Under several regulations, your little girls are going to be flogged, sent to a penal legion, or shot on site by the nearest commisar.

For one, there are no female space marines. You are either Sisters, or Inquisition, thats it. IG are low rung troops, and they are in line with everyone else.

Space marines are more then likely going to shoot anyone other then a space marine who ends up in power armor.

And to wear the power armor, you need to be modified, so to speak. Void has a couple of examples of what a female looks like in power armor, and They look just like you would think they look. same as your bubblegum crisis BS.

Seeing how the Imperium thinks about technology in the first place, the idea just doesn't fit.

Achem: I've already talked to Doc, on numerous occasions. I'm aware of his CSMs and several other people's female Space marine minis. However, I'm looking to go a step beyond that. Most of them, so far, have just done headswaps or greenstuffed BS. The amount of heat that the issue seems to generate strikes me as a potential market, and assuming only 10% of the people screaming about them online one way or the other were to buy some, it'd probably be profitable.

And your ranting bravado does not phase me. The last guy freaked when he saw that I have quite a few of TPCs female cadians and gave me a similar rant that the Imperium requires all women to be barefoot and pregnant. His smurfs discovered that IG tanks and artillery don't care if the gunners have tits or not.

Go on and have fun with that, it's fun to watch you taking this to this level of nerdrage.

Its almost fun to watch you get this worked up over something that is so trivial, if it wasn't so slowed in the explination of WHY you want them.


What, you think you WON against marines just because your IG had tits? didn't have anything to do with TANKS AND ARTILLERY, must have been the T and A that was the secret weapon.

Looking forward to seeing your efforts, though. I need a laugh even more then this has given me.

Try again, chief.

But the assumption here is that all power armor is form fitted. That might be true, but considering that each set is supposedly a holy relic, that might be worn by dozens of marines over the centuries, I find refitting it to each new wearer to be implausible, except for in a few circumstances, like the Wolfblade Haegr.

That said, we're dealing with tremendously advanced armor here. Whats to say that the internal comfort layer (I'm assuming there's some sort of internal foam layer for comfort) doesn't adjust to the wearer when it it donned, sort of like that set of clothes in Back to the Future.

Commander Endova wrote:But the assumption here is that all power armor is form fitted. That might be true, but considering that each set is supposedly a holy relic, that might be worn by dozens of marines over the centuries, I find refitting it to each new wearer to be implausible, except for in a few circumstances, like the Wolfblade Haegr.

That said, we're dealing with tremendously advanced armor here. Whats to say that the internal comfort layer (I'm assuming there's some sort of internal foam layer for comfort) doesn't adjust to the wearer when it it donned, sort of like that set of clothes in Back to the Future.

Space Marine Codex. It mentions on page 20 how Power Armour is maintained by the artificers and the customization process that's gone through for "notable individuals and heroes of the Chapter alike".

It's not too far fetched to assume the same process can be done when the Power Armour is first gifted to the new Battle-Brothers.

Ahh. Good eyes Kanluwen.

First and most importantly, Anime is an abomination. Horrible, crudely drawn stuff. Sorry, I'm just not a fan. I've never understood the apeal of Japanese comics and cartoons. To each his own I suppose....


Anyway, want female space marines? Get your hands on some of these RT female adventurers in power armour:



The second one is fairly common amongst the collector community, but the first one not so much. I've only see a couple of them over the years. They are not the most attractive gals in the world, but at least their armour is a bit more realistic/practical than some other depictions I've seen.


TR

Yikes. we've come a long way since the RT days.

I hope whatever BaronIveagh comes out with it better than that, regardless of feminine features or refitted armor.

Let's all not get too hot under the collar here people, it is just toy soldiers we're talking about. Ta.

"Customization process" for armor is admittedly pretty vague. I think real-world medieval armor was generally fitted to the wearer as well, which probaby was used as a model for for the Space Marines.

Still, customization could be 'grabbing parts from supplies to make a set that fits' to 'custom fabrication' or anything in between. ('Grabbing parts' meaning Bob the Space Marine gets a size 12 pair of boots, an extra-long set of lower legs, and smaller helmet because he has a strangely small head.

On the other hand, you have the rare allowed mutations that might require a lot more work to accommodate... Like the Black Dragn chapter?

the M9 was produced to fit womens hands better

Wrong. A M9 has a much thicker grip than the .45 (m1911). The staggered magazines allowing the 15 round capacity are way thicker than the mags for th .45, hence the wider grip. Since most females have smaller hands, the .45 actually is easier for them to hold.

Jake

Balance: Yea, you have a good point. It is quite possible that there is a stash of armor bits kept in the armories for different sizes of boots and the like. I don't know that the fluff supports this, but then I don't think the fluff really takes that sort of "practical" aspect into account. I don't read that the chapters keep a bits closet for armor, but then I don't think the idea of passing down full suits from dead marine A to scout B with little adjustment is really feasible. I suspect there is a good bit of tweaking that has to be done, either replacing sections (difficult due to mechanical musculature and machine spirits perhaps?) or tweaking parts (also possibly impossible?).

I wonder if most chapters wouldn't end up making their own sets of armor in small batches, rather than still ordering from huge Forgeworlds, unless they suddenly needed a few hundred at once. Maybe the techmarines pump out 5-10 sets a year tops to replace really mangled sets, and a few bits here and there, but when a company gets smashed to bits in a really rough engagement they have to put in a bigger order?

That would be a fun supply chain to figure out for a class project. Engineer to Order power armor vs Make to Order vs Make to Stock.
I wonder if Forgeworlds have clearance sales on last year's Marks and Styles
"Uhm... Forgefather? We have a surplus of Mark IV powerarmor in XXL sizes. Some 100 units were not needed by the Salamanders due to lower than expected losses after the Legion of the Damned showed up and turned the tide of orks aside."
"Curses... well, put an ad on Craig's List and see if you can move them for 30% off. We need to make room for the new spring time corvus helms and shoulder sets. They are all the rage on Terra this year!"

Forge Worlds aren't responsible for producing Astartes armour as far as I've seen.

Add in that Chapters go incredibly out of their way to recover Powered Armour suits (or Traitor Legions like the Night Lords and newer Chapters tend to scavenge battlefields looking for the stuff), there's not really that big of a need for brand new Power Armour. It's partly why the Astartes are able to be so independent: most of the Marines know how to maintain their equipment and know how to scavenge to make the best of what they can find, if needed.

Breotan wrote:This does a lot of things, but "sparks fear into the enemies of the Emperor" isn't one of them.

kick ass, just add some fluff and give me more of them the Blood Angels don't discriminate. Do they come in multi parts for those who love to model is my question. Any one with info, hook me up


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Trench-Raider wrote:First and most importantly, Anime is an abomination. Horrible, crudely drawn stuff. Sorry, I'm just not a fan. I've never understood the apeal of Japanese comics and cartoons. To each his own I suppose....


Anyway, want female space marines? Get your hands on some of these RT female adventurers in power armour:



The second one is fairly common amongst the collector community, but the first one not so much. I've only see a couple of them over the years. They are not the most attractive gals in the world, but at least their armour is a bit more realistic/practical than some other depictions I've seen.


TR

Not knocking but those models look horrid, maybe they can scare an opposing army to death

They're pretty old models and, well, it was the 80s. Things were different back then, what with the punk rock and big shoulders and wearing an onion on our belts because that was the style......

Good points Kanluwen. I might guess that some forgeworlds have closer connections with certain chapters than others, but you are probably right that most armor creation takes place within the chapter itself, along with retrofitting and replacing parts from scavenged suits.

Still, it would pose problems when suits got entirely destroyed, say by a landing ship being shot down and falling apart in the atmosphere, or Brother Steve getting eaten by a tyranid or something. If 50 marines lost to a lander getting vaporized in low orbits are to be replaced quickly, there must be either a stock of armor pieces around to cobble things together, or the ability to ramp up production quickly. If the latter, it removes the need for really any of the former. Or maybe they just don't get replaced quickly.

I dunno, probably some good chapter fluff to be written there either way. And on topic, nothing that dictates that relatively large swings in wearer size can not be acomodated for.

Apologies from someone not well versed in the games history, but I have seen a number of arguements that GW had not nor ever will male female SM's.

Did GW issue the above Rogue Trader figures please?
If so it would suggest the issue of no female SM's is now redundant?

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Apologies from someone not well versed in the games history, but I have seen a number of arguments that GW had not nor ever will make female SM's.

Did GW issue the above Rogue Trader figures please?
If so it would suggest the issue of no female SM's is now redundant?

Yes, they issued the figures.

And no, they were not female Space Marines. They were mispackaged as such at one point, but were always intended to be sold under the title "Female Adventurer in Power Armour".

So no, still no basis for female Space Marines.


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Wehrkind wrote:Good points Kanluwen. I might guess that some forgeworlds have closer connections with certain chapters than others, but you are probably right that most armor creation takes place within the chapter itself, along with retrofitting and replacing parts from scavenged suits.

Still, it would pose problems when suits got entirely destroyed, say by a landing ship being shot down and falling apart in the atmosphere, or Brother Steve getting eaten by a tyranid or something. If 50 marines lost to a lander getting vaporized in low orbits are to be replaced quickly, there must be either a stock of armor pieces around to cobble things together, or the ability to ramp up production quickly. If the latter, it removes the need for really any of the former. Or maybe they just don't get replaced quickly.

I dunno, probably some good chapter fluff to be written there either way. And on topic, nothing that dictates that relatively large swings in wearer size can not be accommodated for.

From what I understand: The Chapters maintain a large armory that consists of spare and leftover parts from when they refit suits. They're all lovingly maintained and kept in top fighting condition, it's just it seems the Artificers have a rather large leeway in how they choose to equip their masters and their masters themselves seem to have 'salvage rights' as it were.

Thanks for the clarification
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Kanluwen wrote:

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:Apologies from someone not well versed in the games history, but I have seen a number of arguments that GW had not nor ever will make female SM's.

Did GW issue the above Rogue Trader figures please?
If so it would suggest the issue of no female SM's is now redundant?

Yes, they issued the figures.

And no, they were not female Space Marines. They were mispackaged as such at one point, but were always intended to be sold under the title "Female Adventurer in Power Armour".

So no, still no basis for female Space Marines.

As a general rule, it seems 40k has a big 'fluff discontinuity' somewhere around the 2nd to 3rd edition rules change: The Space Marines have changed a lot themselves, as have many other aspects of the background (like Eldar with lasguns no longer being common).

Balance wrote:
As a general rule, it seems 40k has a big 'fluff discontinuity' somewhere around the 2nd to 3rd edition rules change: The Space Marines have changed a lot themselves, as have many other aspects of the background (like Eldar with lasguns no longer being common).

That's part of it, but another part is that some things were just inappropriately labeled. Those two female Adventurer models always crop up in threads about female SMs and always are pointed at as "definitive proof that female Marines exist!".

I'd love to get a sticky started on things like that and "Do Cadian women serve in the Cadian militaries?"(Answer: Yes, they do. BUT the vast majority of female Cadians serving are serving in the Cadian Interior Guard or as bodyguard details on board the orbital defenses). Maybe call it "Is it fluff enough?".

GW will never issue 'real female Space Marines' because a huge amount of the game's fluff and aura of awesomeness is bound up in the SM = superman = super warrior concept.

That is what most new players buy into.

A properly done female Marines army would undermine the ethos.

However there are still plenty of people who would like female marines, and don't want the trouble and cost of buying and converting SoBs.

Kilkrazy wrote:If people want to argue about the feasibility of female Space Marines they should go and do it in the thread in 40K Background.

This thread is for discussing the feasibility of resin model female Space Marines.

As noted, this thread is about "Would you buy female Space Marine figures" and not "Do you think female Space Marines are possible?"

This is now the extra (+1) "Stay On Topic" warning.

Past this point, choosing to ignore this can lead to suspensions.

Kanluwen wrote:

Balance wrote:
As a general rule, it seems 40k has a big 'fluff discontinuity' somewhere around the 2nd to 3rd edition rules change: The Space Marines have changed a lot themselves, as have many other aspects of the background (like Eldar with lasguns no longer being common).

That's part of it, but another part is that some things were just inappropriately labeled. Those two female Adventurer models always crop up in threads about female SMs and always are pointed at as "definitive proof that female Marines exist!".

I think it's also because they do look to be wearing Space Marine style armor as opposed to the much different SoB armor. Note the shoulder pads and shape of the leg armor pieces. This doesn't mean much, as older Inquisitors wore that style of armor, too... I have one somewhere that also needed a Space marine style backpack.

(It's the old 'flat' Inquisitor with the goofy hat they used to sell as bitz up until Daemonhunter came out and a better Inquisitor model was released.)

A lot of the early 40k minis were definitely done on the basis of "because it's cool" and then the rules and setting were made up to fit them in, I think.

I'm all about undermining ethos + profit. Here's the thing, guys: once more, we've heard a lot about fluff, but not much about 'Do you think people would buy it?"

Example: this is discussed in another thread, but say I produce X number of fem marine bits to make your own fem marine army. Would there be, say, 80 people in the whole of the internet that would but it? 800? 8000?

Thoughts?

I'd probably be in for a squad's worth. I use my space marines with other rule sets vice 40k anyway so fluff doesn't weigh in on my decision at all.

Jake

I wouldn't buy female marine bits, though I would buy "power-armoured females" from a company that can actually do correctly proportioned sculpts - Reaper for example.

BaronIveagh wrote:I'm all about undermining ethos + profit. Here's the thing, guys: once more, we've heard a lot about fluff, but not much about 'Do you think people would buy it?"

Example: this is discussed in another thread, but say I produce X number of fem marine bits to make your own fem marine army. Would there be, say, 80 people in the whole of the internet that would but it? 800? 8000?

Thoughts?

If you are really serious, sculpt one, cast it in resin and offer it for sale. That will give you some idea of the work involved and the possible level of interest.

Build it as a kit of parts, so you can change some of the parts to do variants. That reduces the amount of work for making different models. I mean, all the torsos, helmets and backpacks can be the same, so you only need sculpt different limbs, weapons and accessories.

I still think you will have trouble with GW's IP department.

if i had the budget for buying these super soldiers of a female persuasion, then i would gladly order about at least 10 of them to form a unique squad of them. unfortunaltly it seems im to broke to buy such things now but who knows times are a changin`
i personlay like the manga styled super soldiers, there cute and as for now i didn´t know that i had certain sexual comlexes or that i suffer from loneliness and have to compensate my needs with boobs on soldiers. its just a methode of spicing up ones army and giving the whole army more detail and not some look of soldiers right out of massproduction style.

Kilkrazy wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:I'm all about undermining ethos + profit. Here's the thing, guys: once more, we've heard a lot about fluff, but not much about 'Do you think people would buy it?"

Example: this is discussed in another thread, but say I produce X number of fem marine bits to make your own fem marine army. Would there be, say, 80 people in the whole of the internet that would but it? 800? 8000?

Thoughts?

If you are really serious, sculpt one, cast it in resin and offer it for sale. That will give you some idea of the work involved and the possible level of interest.

Build it as a kit of parts, so you can change some of the parts to do variants. That reduces the amount of work for making different models. I mean, all the torsos, helmets and backpacks can be the same, so you only need sculpt different limbs, weapons and accessories.

I still think you will have trouble with GW's IP department.

I'm not too worried about it. As far as IP law goes, I'm in a big gray area. Courts have defined my place of residence as a 'domestically dependent sovereign nation'. SNI does not actually 'have' IP laws and is not signatory to the Berne accord, and as far as non-violent crimes go, the US has no jurisdiction here. Throw in that I am not directly challenging their IP and I doubt they'll bother me, and if they do they don't have a leg to stand on.

I would get at least 10 for the god Slaanesh for sure.

Power armoured Libby from Hasslefree Miniatures:

http://www.hasslefreeminiatures.co.uk/pack.php?pack=185

I don't fancy yours much...

I would buy alot, I'm tryin to incorperate them in my chapter, there would be a few in every squad.

Like I said before, (I'm guessing my earlier comment got swept aside in the earlier off-topic discussion), I would probably buy one or two to have some token girls in my army, but again, only if the were conservatively done, and looked right at home with the boys.

I probably wouldn't be interested in a whole army of them, though.

A converted Libby, from my gallery. It's a great piece, but a lot smaller than a S/M. I'll get a comparison pic up when my camera batteries are charged.



I would be quite interested to see where this goes...

IF they look like that, and have a variety of poses, you WILL sell a LOT of them.

Across the reach of the Internet, I dare say you'd sell a thousand, easy.

Well, IF they quality is there and the price is not outrageous...

If they were scuplted like ^^ and reasonably priced i would certainly be interested.... :-)

Alpharius wrote:

IF they look like that, and have a variety of poses, you WILL sell a LOT of them.

Across the reach of the Internet, I dare say you'd sell a thousand, easy.

Well, IF they quality is there and the price is not outrageous...

There you go.

Do a test model and start taking orders. People sell limited edition resin figures for $10 to $20 each. If you got 1,000 orders you would be in the money.

I think models for fem marines is going to be like chapterhouse. Some will like the idea but not buy anything. My friend thinks chapterhouse stuff is great, if he played Salamanders or Dragons. As it is with female marines, I think it might be a "one off stand-alone model for display" purchase for most. If there were plastic SOB I think it could be more accepted as a bitz barn but at that point they're not FSM.

Now, female IG is something I have hunted for and would buy by the platoon. Darn Phoenix club for closing.

Actually TPC was hacked, the site hijacked and loaded with virii and the original owner seems to have vanished so no one else can put it back up.

I think of it as a pre-emptive strike by GW. LOL

If you NEED female marines to gawk at go to the US Marine site.. Otherwise lets keep within 40k fluff!

Sexy looking space marines would be beyond absurd.. If you're desperate for that.. get 300$ and pay some girl in vegas to satisify your fantasy

I don't know why people persist that female Space Marines are a good idea, or why they won't ever let it die. The image that keeps getting reposted of the resin female Marine is actually a pretty good sculpt, but I still don't see why people care so much about this non-issue.

Man, I sure wish my Genestealers could have boobs! That'd be the best!

Jollydevil wrote: Not to mention the weapons would have to be reproduced to fit their hands better.

I hate to tell you this but even now the military does not do this. So why would it have to be done in the far future?

Brother SRM wrote:I don't know why people persist that female Space Marines are a good idea, or why they won't ever let it die. The image that keeps getting reposted of the resin female Marine is actually a pretty good sculpt, but I still don't see why people care so much about this non-issue.

Man, I sure wish my Genestealers could have boobs! That'd be the best!

Because people always want things they're told they can't have.

And for some reason I seem to recall someone doing genestealers that looked different depending on which 40k race that had spawned from (Tau, Orks, etc). And you do have genestealers with breasts. Just look on 4chan. ROFL


That said: we have some people interested, some opposed on fluff grounds, but other then that...

CT GAMER wrote:

Captain Shrike wrote:Maby:

?

But, seriosly, Power armour would obscure all features.

The only thing worse then a female space marine is an anime female space marine...

Hmmm...I may have to model one for the Vangaurd Vets my shrike stand-in is rollin with

I would prefer some well sculpted heads rather than full figures.
As they are going to have to fit the army's theme, a full figure would have to be converted anyway.

I was considering Wood Elf noggins, but since looking in the spares box have decided that they are unsuitable because of the shape of the head.

I would probably buy some, assuming the sculptor knows female anatomy.

I'm interested, but small scale castings always cost a billion dollars.

If 10 models can't at least compete with the already awful GWS prices, I wouldn't be interested.

So for me, aesthetically I'm interested. Price would be a factor though.

I also personally would only want to use them in a Slaanesh army, so chaos bits would be necessary that fit their presumably different scale.

The Dreadnote wrote:Great. Now I've gotta go look for bubblegum crisis.

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I'd get a few I'd probably have at least 2 squads (vanguard for RG, sternguard for CF) just so i could paint something thats not the same old marine sculpt, same goes for guard, if the cadians had some female sculpts and a few more poses rather than whole squads of identical men holding their lasgun in identical positions, one squads took 3 years to do cause they were so dull

I don't see what all hate is for. I know that there will always be people who want female space marines, I'm just surprised at all the "GIRLS ARE ICKY" posts.

Also nice sculpt there.

This is what a female space marine would look like (credit to ZandrisIV):



See this thread on our very own DakkaDakka.

Chibi Bodge-Battle is correct that the best way to do this would be to simply put a female head on a marine (though realistically, they would probably have short hair to fit inside the helmet). Any talk of having boobs on the armor or anything is just preposterous. Female IG that are somewhat anatomically different (within reason!) are plausible. But a woman in full plate armor would not look different than a similarly-sized man. Armor doesn't become skinnier and more form-fitting just because the wearer is a girl. It would still have to have the same thickness, power plant, and servo-musculature as a male. Think about it. It is 3+ inch thick unobtanium plating attached to an powered exoskeleton. At that level of bulk, you won't notice anatomical differences between the sex of the wearer.

If you want to know more about female armor, please read this informative post about why female breastplates would not have boobs. (short answer, not only are they not necessary, they would actually make the armor less effective): link

While you're right, what has reality got to do with 40K?

There isn't any point making a female marine model unless it looks different to a male marine.

phwoar look at the hips on that! lol


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i mean the first pic btw

The cuirass with the aquila looks feminine to me anyway- as per the Zandris figure above.

While I have a certain sympathy with your sentiment Killkrazy, the point about deflecting surfaces in the article is a good one.

It is a futile exercise to go to all the trouble of creating super humans in power armour, if that armour is going to deflect projectiles towards the vital areas.

Pipboy101 wrote:Oh god, here goes the female space marine fest again.



Sorry, there is just not enough gamers out there that would make it worth the time scuplting, molding, and casting just to get a C&D from GW legal.

This. When will people give this bloody thing up? It's just getting annoying now.

I'd buy a female Space Marine model. But first, I'd really like to see a bull steer with a magnificent set of breasts, 28mm please.

Soladrin wrote:

Pipboy101 wrote:Oh god, here goes the female space marine fest again.



Sorry, there is just not enough gamers out there that would make it worth the time scuplting, molding, and casting just to get a C&D from GW legal.

This. When will people give this bloody thing up? It's just getting annoying now.

Seconded.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:The cuirass with the aquila looks feminine to me anyway- as per the Zandris figure above.

While I have a certain sympathy with your sentiment Killkrazy, the point about deflecting surfaces in the article is a good one.

It is a futile exercise to go to all the trouble of creating super humans in power armour, if that armour is going to deflect projectiles towards the vital areas.

It is a futile exercise to go to all the trouble of creating super humans in power armour, if that armour is going to fall to the first meltagun, plasma rifle, railgun, scythe talon that comes along.

It's a game. People only play it because they like the models. Lots of the fluff is complete nonsense. Let's at least make models worth having.

Hi KK

Anything that deflects a blow away from the vitals would be as important in 40K as in 15th century Europe.
Yes it is a game of fantasy, and I like cool looking models, but that does not make real life ergonomics mutually exclusive. In my view if it looks like it would actually have some military function, for which armour is surely intended, then it would be a whole lot cooler.

If you were in close combat wearing power armour you would struggle to hit anything, as the armour would not allow sufficient movement.
Not so cool however good you look

Without piccies it s tricky explaining what I meant about a feminine cuirass, based on the existing breastplate. Some simple carving just under the aquila wings gives a very subtle curve to the armour without screaming, "mammaries live here!"

Centurion wrote:

as I stated in a different thread, I would definately buy ten of them to convert into my noise marines, as long as they offer sufficient poseing options and such. To tell the truth though, for Slaanesh, I would prefer a little less armor (He is the Dark God of Pleasure, after all)

The pic of the model above would make a pretty good SOB model....

sisters of battle have to look cooler than that with cloaks and corset all the way, and there should be no space marine girls cause the inquisitor would exodite a lot of chapters for lust falling to slannesh

Oh, don't worry, Slaanesh would embrace those chapters with open arms, they would have nothing to fear from him/her/it.

My personal opinion has always been that an all women army is pretty stupid. As far as I'm concerned they squat Sisters of Battle as a codex and incorporate them as small elite specialist units in a new codex: Inquisition.

More or less stupid then an all male army?

Ok, TBD; but first we need to squat Space Marines into a single unit option for IG as lets face it, bio-altered soldiers? What is this, some scifi setting?
Oh, and Orks cause their sentient fungus, eldar for being elves, Necrons for being a terminator rip-off, chaos for being fantasy, Tau for being blue.

Hey, at least all women forces has reality backing it up.

TBD wrote:My personal opinion has always been that an all women army is pretty stupid. As far as I'm concerned they squat Sisters of Battle as a codex and incorporate them as small elite specialist units in a new codex: Inquisition.

No.

And, please, let this topic die.

Soldarin

You are welcome to your opinion mate but it is OT
please let those that wish to discuss the matter about resin sm's continue to do so.

Kettu wrote:Ok, TBD; but first we need to squat Space Marines into a single unit option for IG as lets face it, bio-altered soldiers? What is this, some scifi setting?
Oh, and Orks cause their sentient fungus, eldar for being elves, Necrons for being a terminator rip-off, chaos for being fantasy, Tau for being blue.

Hey, at least all women forces has reality backing it up.

I don't think any of what yout typed makes sense, even when considering we are talking about a sci-fi setting, but you are entitled to your opinion just as much as I am.

Anyway, IMO an all female army is about as stupid as an all female team competing in the NFL, or, God forbid an all female version of the NFL.

And I was saying, IMO, that saying an army is stupid because of gender in a setting that includes Sentient Fungus, Bio-Altered Super-Soldiers and Robot Skeletons like Terminator and The Seventh Voyage of Sinbad is, in and of itself, kinda stupid.

And what, never seen women rugby before?

Womens rugby is rough!! those chicks tear eachother apart

TBD wrote:

Kettu wrote:Ok, TBD; but first we need to squat Space Marines into a single unit option for IG as lets face it, bio-altered soldiers? What is this, some scifi setting?
Oh, and Orks cause their sentient fungus, eldar for being elves, Necrons for being a terminator rip-off, chaos for being fantasy, Tau for being blue.

Hey, at least all women forces has reality backing it up.

I don't think any of what yout typed makes sense, even when considering we are talking about a sci-fi setting, but you are entitled to your opinion just as much as I am.

Anyway, IMO an all female army is about as stupid as an all female team competing in the NFL, or, God forbid an all female version of the NFL.

SoB tell you otherwise... Also, how is in any way making an army gender specific stupid in this setting? Or are SM also stupid? Cause obviously the only reason you think it's stupid, is because their women. Send in the feminists?

Somehow, I just had a mental vision of that cartoon where the commissar tells the sisters of battle to go back to the kitchen. I think we all remember how that ended.

that said: back on topic.

As before, we have several objectors to female space marines on fluff grounds, but still no assertations (that make sense) on why they will not sell.

ATM I'm working on some 3d models so I have something to export to CAD. I may or may not post a few renderings.

They may be able to sell, but even GW has enough self respect to not throw years of fluff out of the window...
Is what I want to believe.. :(

Soladrin wrote:They may be able to sell, but even GW has enough self respect to not throw years of fluff out of the window...
Is what I want to believe.. :(

Really?
Look at what they did with the GK fluff, once they were and are the soul cration of the 2nd legion, now..... :(

Jollydevil wrote:

BaronIveagh wrote:I've been pondering this for a while:

We've had people produce Female IG, and hoards of daemonettes of various makes and models, though no BS for obvious reasons.

Considering that there seems to be a demand for such a thing, even if it's only to piss off a certain type of gamer, why has not one of our talented modelers made some resin Female Space Marine bits?

I know *I* would gladly buy some.

This wouldnt fit the warhammer scenario at all for a couple reasons:
1. How do you genetically alter a girl to become a space marine and keep her looking like a girl still?
2. I dont think the emporer allows women to be in the army/navy/air force/special forces (Im not trying to be sexist here, so im sorry if i offend any of you women out there )
3. Whats the piont of producing the armor to fit women if there are only a couple of them? Not to mention the weapons would have to be reproduced to fit their hands better.
Other than the scenario issues, i think it would be cool to see an army of hot space marine girls.

What do you mean? Females are in basically every IG regiment. IG is coed. As for Female SM, he just wanted some bits, not a giant argument over weather or not they actually exist in the fluff. Give it a rest.

Honestly, girl space marines wouldn't look much different than male ones, they'll be jacked up on testosterone and their boobs would have been likely removed (or at least reduced) for obvious reasons.

Female Space Marines offend the fluff nazi within me.

Even if "it's your army", it's HERESY.

i actually heard that female SM are heresy in the Emperor book (i lust heard it it is not my opinion)

May the Emperor protect
and Kayla Mencha Kane guide you all

It's just plain wrong!

You would also end up with space marines asking "does my bum look big in this power armour?" or "you know these chapter colours really don't go with my hair any chance of a nice mauve colour scheme?"

That and I don't think scatter cushions would ever look good inside a thunderhawk.

We have heard all the objections already here and elsewhere

But they still don't address the OP.

Even if you disagree with the issue it is only fair to respect the Baron's thread.
would like to see the WIP please.

It addressed the OP in the way that it has become clear, again, that almost nobody cares about female space marines and therefor it would not be worthwhile for anybody to sculpt them with the intention to sell and make a profit.

Yet he keeps nagging about it because he doesn't like the answer he got to his question.

Baron is hardly nagging. In fact he has been incredibly patient and good natured about things.

"it is just plain wrong" does nothing to establish whether there is a demand or not. It merely confirms that there is a vociferous element that are merely trying to shout down the idea, while totally disregarding the thoughts and wants of other members.

We know that some people oppose the idea. That is NOT the issue of this thread.

There are several threads existing already containing the opposing viewpoint.

The problem with female space marines is that chapters recruit neophytes at around 13 or 14 which is when boy's generally start puberty, girls on the other hand can start as early as 10.

The gene seed of each chapter has to be implanted whilst the recipient is undergoing these basic changes is physiology.

And whilst possible to recruit girls of this age, it is not tasteful to place what are primary school children into a combat (all be it training) situation.

Not to mention that on a purely sales driven reason most people who enter the hobby are boys between the ages of 11-16, which fits with the space marine induction age (coincidence?).

If the reality of militant religious bigots in power armor doesn't stop sales, why would the idea of children in combat school do anything?

I don't really see this thread breaking from the "Who wants to see these models?", "but it can't happen in the fluff!" cycle any time soon.

hehe
You said it Dreadnote.
Wonder how many people have been converted by the arguments on either side. not a lot to zero would be my guess.

sheesh.

Sorry for lack of updates. Left arm in cast makes it hard to type, let alone model things.

Kolath wrote:This is what a female space marine would look like (credit to ZandrisIV):



See this thread on our very own DakkaDakka.

Chibi Bodge-Battle is correct that the best way to do this would be to simply put a female head on a marine (though realistically, they would probably have short hair to fit inside the helmet). Any talk of having boobs on the armor or anything is just preposterous. Female IG that are somewhat anatomically different (within reason!) are plausible. But a woman in full plate armor would not look different than a similarly-sized man. Armor doesn't become skinnier and more form-fitting just because the wearer is a girl. It would still have to have the same thickness, power plant, and servo-musculature as a male. Think about it. It is 3+ inch thick unobtanium plating attached to an powered exoskeleton. At that level of bulk, you won't notice anatomical differences between the sex of the wearer.

Is there any good heads in production anywhere to just head swap? As i think the above pic is rather effective. But still some custom fsm would also be cool

Justicar Alaric wrote:
Not to mention that on a purely sales driven reason most people who enter the hobby are boys between the ages of 11-16, which fits with the space marine induction age (coincidence?).

I never noticed that and that is quite interesting.
Also OP cant wait for pic of complete model.

That just looks like a sister of battle to me...

While I agree with zandris' approach, there still will be some proportion variation in the armor. And as this is GW, all hands will be goofilly large, and knees impossibly small.

Goggles? Really?

Oh, and my opinion is still the same!

But if I may we dont't know if the emperor created female primarchs and also we don't know if space marine chapter who don't adhere to the codex astartes such as the space wolve blood angels ect may recruit females into their chapters if they show potential so it is possible for there to be female space marines and I would back a project to create these models

Just when you thought this thread finally went away...

We don't know if the Emperor didn't create Santa Claus either, and maybe some Space Marine chapters recruit giant purple Easterbunnies as well.

All we have "officially" is the background GW gives us, and as far as I know there are no female Marines there.

Thanks for the necro: it reminded me to update everyone on progress:

Ok, folks, I'm out of the splints and other things and can use my hands again, obviously, but I haven't really had time to get cracking on prototypes. I think the next thing that will actually make it out of hte studio was the proposition to Chapterhouse for female guard bits, but this one is still in production.

Soladrin wrote:Goggles? Really?

Oh, and my opinion is still the same!

What the bear said.

blakmerlin202 wrote:But if I may we dont't know if the emperor created female primarchs and also we don't know if space marine chapter who don't adhere to the codex astartes such as the space wolve blood angels ect may recruit females into their chapters if they show potential so it is possible for there to be female space marines and I would back a project to create these models

You could have let this godforsaken thread die, why did you have to necro it?

Brother SRM wrote:You could have let this godforsaken thread die, why did you have to necro it?

Don't you mean: Why did you have to remind him he was supposed to be doing this? Now there will be minis and we'll be forced to play against girls!

hey all I'm saying is gw is still cranking out the forgotten primarchs and some of them could be women and also you don't need all the implants to be considered a space marine for example luther didn't have all the implants but he was just as strong as any of the dark angels

Seriously, what is the problem with female marines? The level of genetic modification available in this setting is astounding. If it can give a human being acid glands it can put the Emperor's genes into a woman and make her a space marine. I have said this before, and I will say it again. Humans are built to survive and breed. Space marine are built to kill aliens with chainswords. They wouldn't have working sex characteristics anyway, since they don't reproduce. And the ideal body build for a genetically-engineered combat creature looks pretty much the same regardless of the original genetic model. Female space marines do not look "womanly" in any way, shape, or form. They look like space marines.

In summary, that is an awesome model you have there, and if they made female space marine heads, hell yes I would make my MEQs female.

sisters of battle are hot therefore i bet female space marines would be hot.
id hit it...

I think this thread has had its day.

If anyone actually gets around to making models, feel free to start a new thread in the modelling section.