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Post by: mikhaila
So a bit of detective work by one of my guys confirmed that the Eldar Nightspinner is coming out.
The new Previews Magazine from Diamond Comics came out today, and if you turn to page 420 you will see an ad for Whitedwarf. Small lettering at the top of the White Dwarf says something like "Rules for the new Eldar Nightspinner".
Rumored to include plastic parts for the fire prism as well.
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Post by: Tacobake
Neato? If they make a plastic support weapon kit maybe Shadow Weavers will get upgraded.
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Post by: Nurglitch
A plastic Nightspinner? Thank god! Finally a way to quiet the chorus of voices clamoring for its production!
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Post by: Reecius
Awesome! I will be purchasing several of these kits for my Space Elves.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Hot!
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Post by: jspyd3rx
Great find, very keen of you to spot it.
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Post by: Sarigar
Great find. I'm not sure how useful a Night Spinner will be, but another nice plastic kit for my Eldar is a plus.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I'm tempted to get a Night Spinner just to unconvert a metal Fire Prism to plastic for better balance.
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Post by: reds8n
Ta da !
Ta to Mr. Scryer in the darkness for the scan/pic.
Might give one an idea of what the Manticore might look like... Epic eh ?
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Post by: Redemption
Yeah, they're definitely not going with the codex art look, but with the old epic look instead. I would have preferred a codex art style Manticore/Hydra kit, but I guess I'll reserve final judgment when I see the actual model.
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Post by: The Dreadnote
DRIVE!
ME!
CLOSER!
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Post by: Scottywan82
It does make it easier to double as the Deathstrike this way.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Ok. Old look Manticores.
Said it before and will say it again - I'm glad I have my FW trio.
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Post by: Nurglitch
Are you sure it'll be the old look? Since the advent of 5th edition GW has stuck pretty closely to the published art, or to copying established Forgeworld designs.
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Post by: Farmer
Why is GW releasing a Nightspinner when it isn't even in the Eldar codex ; - ;
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Post by: Kroothawk
Because the plastic sprue with the fire prism looked so empty 
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Scottywan82 wrote:It does make it easier to double as the Deathstrike this way.
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My thoughts exactly. And I can also understand why it might not double as a Hydra.
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Post by: Kirasu
Hopefully the rules for the night spinner arent the old rules.. Or people will quickly accumulate lots of useless bits!
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Post by: Kanluwen
H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok. Old look Manticores.
Said it before and will say it again - I'm glad I have my FW trio.
I'm glad I'm not taking any either way.
If that's how they're going to look, that's incredibly stupid. Why the feth would you do it like that, GW?
Why?
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Post by: Scottywan82
Kanluwen wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:Ok. Old look Manticores.
Said it before and will say it again - I'm glad I have my FW trio.
I'm glad I'm not taking any either way.
If that's how they're going to look, that's incredibly stupid. Why the feth would you do it like that, GW?
Why?
Because then they can charge you extra for a Hydra Flak Tank
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Post by: Kanluwen
Smarter way to have done it from the get-go would have been a Hydra/Manticore kit and offer the Hydra/Manticore sprues available separately.
I would have bought DOZENS for the fortress I'm planning.
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Post by: Ozymandias
Night spinner, I can't remember this one from the old epic days?
For the manticore, I hope it includes the Deathstrike option so I can magnetize between the two. C'mon, taking three Deathstrikes in a normal 40k game would be awesome!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Nurglitch wrote:Are you sure it'll be the old look? Since the advent of 5th edition GW has stuck pretty closely to the published art, or to copying established Forgeworld designs.
You seein' the same picture that I am Nurgy? On the front of the WD? I doubt that's the Deathstrike (given it has more than 1 missile), so I'm going to assume that that's some new artwork for the Manticore.
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Post by: whitedragon
Kanluwen wrote:
If that's how they're going to look, that's incredibly stupid. Why the feth would you do it like that, GW?
Why?
I think it's incredibly smart, and also awesome. Why would GW want to undercut it's other business like they did with the Valk? Also, now players have 2 options for how they want their tanks to look. You can go GW style, or FW style. It's brilliant and awesome at the same time.
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Post by: Kanluwen
whitedragon wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
If that's how they're going to look, that's incredibly stupid. Why the feth would you do it like that, GW?
Why?
I think it's incredibly smart, and also awesome. Why would GW want to undercut it's other business like they did with the Valk? Also, now players have 2 options for how they want their tanks to look. You can go GW style, or FW style. It's brilliant and awesome at the same time.
It's stupid, plain and simple. They didn't "undercut" Forge World. FW's catalog is, at any and all times, subject to GW deciding to convert things into plastic. Look at the Skyray and Piranha kits.
Anyways:
IF they had gone with the Codex artwork, they could have easily done a Hydra/Manticore combined kit, and even with a possibility for a Deathstrike.
Really. It would have been so stupidly easy that a monkey could have done it.
That's three kits in one, and selling the sprues individually?
My God, it would have been like PRINTING MONEY when considering people who are always looking for scenic pieces.
Keep the Manticore and Hydras' carriage as being sold by Forge World, and again--printing their own money for people doing terrain or objective pieces. Someone has to buy a sprue direct(at a relatively high price as we all know) from GW, or second-hand from someone who already bought the kit--and then they have to buy the carriage direct from FW.
Bleargh.
It just strikes me as so stupid to ruin a good thing with this crap.
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Post by: Augustus
Farmer wrote:Why is GW releasing a Nightspinner when it isn't even in the Eldar codex ; - ;
My thoughts exactly. Perhaps because theystill don't have what they never have:
Editiorial guardianship and consistent creative direction?
This is the perfect example of the kind of behavior that convinced me GW wasn't just making great rules to sell overpriced models as some sort of plot, because:
They make models they don't have rules for
and
They make rules for things they don't have models for
Unbelievable every time it happens either way.
Hopefully at least it will be a cool kit!
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Post by: whitedragon
Kanluwen wrote:[It's stupid, plain and simple. They didn't "undercut" Forge World. FW's catalog is, at any and all times, subject to GW deciding to convert things into plastic. Look at the Skyray and Piranha kits.
Bleargh.
It just strikes me as so stupid to ruin a good thing with this crap.
So essentially, because you don't like it....it's stupid?
As for your analogy of the Skyray and Pirahna, and the Valkyrie, GW did copy the designs over. However, maybe they have noticed a lack of sales for those particular kits from FW, and decided to go a different route for newer kit releases, so as not to invalidate their existing catalog offerings. (I mean, if you sell something, and then I decide to sell the same thing cheaper, but out of plastic, well why would anyone buy from you anymore? And if we are both part of the same company, why would I undercut you like that? It doesn't make any sense.)
Also, the Pirahna and Skyray were brought into plastic to go with the release of the new tau codex, and GW stated that every codex entry would have a model. Anyway, times change and maybe they have data to suggest it's not a good idea.
And I think it will look awesome.
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Post by: Kanluwen
It's not so much that it's "stupid to change it".
The design, from what I can see, is however ridiculous in my opinion.
As it stands:
It looks like they took the idea from the Russian "Stalin's Organ" from WW2.
Y'know, the trucks that they mounted racks of missiles on the roof of. That's...kinda silly for an armored vehicle.
But meh. We'll agree to disagree on the feel of it, how's that sound Whitedragon?
As for "why the Nightspinner gets a model"?
Read the picture.
"Full rules for the Eldar Nightspinner included".
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Post by: whitedragon
Kanluwen wrote:The design, from what I can see, is however ridiculous in my opinion.
As it stands:
It looks like they took the idea from the Russian "Stalin's Organ" from WW2.
Y'know, the trucks that they mounted racks of missiles on the roof of. That's...kinda silly for an armored vehicle.
So silly a design that the Russians actually built it, that they didn't use a truck at all in the 60's when they designed it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K12_Kub
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Post by: Kanluwen
If you're using the Russians as an example of good manufacturing ideas, I point you towards their flying tank. 
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Post by: Jackmojo
Nah the Blood Angels got that one...
Jack
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Post by: CrazyThang
whitedragon wrote:Kanluwen wrote:The design, from what I can see, is however ridiculous in my opinion.
As it stands:
It looks like they took the idea from the Russian "Stalin's Organ" from WW2.
Y'know, the trucks that they mounted racks of missiles on the roof of. That's...kinda silly for an armored vehicle.
So silly a design that the Russians actually built it, that they didn't use a truck at all in the 60's when they designed it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2K12_Kub
I believe he means this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha_rocket_launcher
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Post by: whitedragon
Kanluwen wrote:If you're using the Russians as an example of good manufacturing ideas, I point you towards their flying tank.
I was merely pointing out that they did in fact create a vehicle that looks very similiar to the epic Manticore, hardly a silly design but apparently very functional and still in use by many countries today.
As for your comment about the Russian Engineering/Manufacturing skill, I think you may need to be reminded that the Russians made it into space before we did, and have just as many engineering marvels as we have done. Also, the United States has created some extremely silly designs as well, so your point about the "flying tank" is meaningless.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Like I said:
Personal tastes. I don't like it. You do.
We're at an impasse. So let's just agree to disagree, and start with saying that it'll be far too expensive and missing pieces?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Redemption wrote:Yeah, they're definitely not going with the codex art look, but with the old epic look instead.
And that's a good thing - more realistic, and easier to build.
Hell, I might even buy one, just to further increase my IG Tank arsenal.
I'm thinking Deathstrike ...
http://www.missionmodels.com/product.php?productid=16655
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Umm, while the deathstrike does look cool I think this threads about the Eldar nightspinner. I think it's going to be a massive anti infantry like the punisher cannon with 10-20 shots or something.
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Post by: gregor_xenos
I for one will have at least one.... (wether the rules are good or not) My WraithLords told me, if I dont find a new fire magnet, they quit. lol
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Post by: Frazzled
FlammingGaunt wrote:Umm, while the deathstrike does look cool I think this threads about the Eldar nightspinner. I think it's going to be a massive anti infantry like the punisher cannon with 10-20 shots or something.
In epic a nightspinner is indirect artillery. It launches a cloud of filaments which wafts down and cuts you to ribbons-think giant warp spider generator.
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Post by: Nurglitch
Hibby:
Yes, we are looking at the same picture. However there is a picture of the Forgeworld style Manticore in the Codex and GW has been matching models to the artwork in Codices since before the start of 5th edition. Take the Battlewagon, for example. It matches the model exactly. And GW has been matching Forgeworld designs in plastic, re: Pirhana, Valkyrie, Trygon, etc.
So it's nice that the front cover of White Dwarf looks different, but the evidence for what actually happens says otherwise. I'm just saying that giving GW's past behaviour, we are less likely to see Manticores that resemble the Epic models and more likely to see Manticores that match the Forgeworld models and Codex pictures.
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Post by: Augustus
Frazzled wrote:FlammingGaunt wrote:Umm, while the deathstrike does look cool I think this threads about the Eldar nightspinner. I think it's going to be a massive anti infantry like the punisher cannon with 10-20 shots or something.
In epic a nightspinner is indirect artillery. It launches a cloud of filaments which wafts down and cuts you to ribbons-think giant warp spider generator.
Wouldn't decent Eldar artillery redefine the army? That could be really interesting, imagine a skimmer basilisk (whatever the gun stats end up becoming) that could really break army build patterns for Eldar, I think that is exciting.
But it will have to be pretty good at something to outstrip the popularity of the prism cannon, with the incredible range, blast and S10 it is capable of. It's such a great utility vehicle for a low price. Hopefully the Nightpinner will be somehow, at least subtly better, or cheaper perhaps? Maybe less of a skimmer Basilisk and more of a skimmer Whirlwind?
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Nurglitch wrote:I'm just saying that giving GW's past behaviour, we are less likely to see Manticores that resemble the Epic models and more likely to see Manticores that match the Forgeworld models and Codex pictures.
I think this is generally true. 6mm Epic models don't really scale well at 30mm, plus some of the Epic stuff was just ridiculous.
Though a goodly chunk of the larger FW stuff is also kinda ridiculous...
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Augustus wrote: Wouldn't decent Eldar artillery redefine the army?
That could be really interesting, imagine a skimmer basilisk (whatever the gun stats end up becoming) that could really break army build patterns for Eldar, I think that is exciting.
Hopefully the Nightpinner will be somehow, at least subtly better, or cheaper perhaps? Maybe less of a skimmer Basilisk and more of a skimmer Whirlwind?
In Epic, Eldar are have decent artillery units, so there's no reason for them not to have similar capability in 40k, if that's the direction 40k is going. And given how the Valkyrie changed IG, Artillery won't redefine Eldar nearly as much as that.
IMO, Eldar are more fundamentally flawed by not having Assault Ramps on their expensive Transports to mesh with their heavy (and expensive) HtH focus. Particularly with BA now getting Fast (non-Skimmer) Transports along with a near Thunderhawk Fast Skimmer Assault Mega-Transport... Make the Wave Serpent Power Field count as Assault Ramps, and suddenly, Eldar Aspects in a 100-pt Serpent become viable.
The Fire Prism is the Basilisk equivalent, with high S & long range MEQ-killing tank-busting capability.
The Night Spinner should be the Griffon / Whirlwind equivalent, but focus on true horde killing with multiple shots / blasts, rather than simply cutting the cost and S.
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Post by: Ozymandias
Nurglitch wrote:Hibby:
Yes, we are looking at the same picture. However there is a picture of the Forgeworld style Manticore in the Codex and GW has been matching models to the artwork in Codices since before the start of 5th edition. Take the Battlewagon, for example. It matches the model exactly. And GW has been matching Forgeworld designs in plastic, re: Pirhana, Valkyrie, Trygon, etc.
So it's nice that the front cover of White Dwarf looks different, but the evidence for what actually happens says otherwise. I'm just saying that giving GW's past behaviour, we are less likely to see Manticores that resemble the Epic models and more likely to see Manticores that match the Forgeworld models and Codex pictures.
Ah but the GW battlewagon doesn't resemble battlewagon that FW did! Frankly I don't care if it looks like the FW one or not as long as it looks good.
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Post by: Nurglitch
Ozymandias:
Good point, but consider the timelines involved. Something else that I hadn't considered was if the kit is made for the Hydra, Deathstrike, and Manticore, then the Hydra turret may allow the Manticore to be configured in the Forgeworld way, and the Deathstrike turret the Epic way.
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Post by: Augustus
Ozymandias wrote:...I don't care if it looks like the FW one or not as long as it looks good.
Yes I agree with that. Cool.
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Also there really are tanks that look like this: Heres an SA-6
an SA 4
It's not all russian either, Hawk Missile Battery:
This is all AAA, but they do look like epic manticores.
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Post by: Ozymandias
Nurglitch wrote:Ozymandias:
Good point, but consider the timelines involved. Something else that I hadn't considered was if the kit is made for the Hydra, Deathstrike, and Manticore, then the Hydra turret may allow the Manticore to be configured in the Forgeworld way, and the Deathstrike turret the Epic way.
So basically having different kits that allow for different versions of the same tank? That's kinda interesting and would please everyone really.
@Augustus: Sweet!
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Nurglitch wrote:Hibby:
Yes, we are looking at the same picture. However there is a picture of the Forgeworld style Manticore in the Codex and GW has been matching models to the artwork in Codices since before the start of 5th edition. Take the Battlewagon, for example. It matches the model exactly. And GW has been matching Forgeworld designs in plastic, re: Pirhana, Valkyrie, Trygon, etc.
So it's nice that the front cover of White Dwarf looks different, but the evidence for what actually happens says otherwise. I'm just saying that giving GW's past behaviour, we are less likely to see Manticores that resemble the Epic models and more likely to see Manticores that match the Forgeworld models and Codex pictures.
That line of logic is sound, and, yes, I find it strange that they would make new art in the Guard Codex and then completely change the aesthetics for the actual model. However, given that it is a combined Manticore/Deathstrike kit (rather than Manticore/Hydra), and that we've heard reports that the Manticore is more 'old Epic' style and this new artwork fits with those rumours, I'm thinking they have done the ol' swicharoo on us and are giving us a vastly different looking vehicle. And if they do come out with a plastic Hydra eventually - and one would hope they would, as given it's popularity it would be like printing money - that it would be compatible with the Manticore Missiles. That would make everyone happy and isn't a completely absurd idea, given how modular many of GW's kits are these days.
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Post by: ph34r
It would be interesting if GW made the deathstrike/manticore/hydra one kit, with a rack for deathstrike or manticore and a central turret for manticore or hydra. Would probably be too much sprue though.
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Post by: IG88
Being an Eldar player with an armada of grav tanks I hope I'm wrong but the night spinner is the last thing I would have wanted for my army.
Does it look cool, you bet but we already have mono filament stuff in abundance and theres no way its going to be better than a Fire Prism so whats the point. If its what I think its going to be.... St6 ordnance/indirect/ap- I'm going to be laughing at the waste of plastic.
If its what it needs to be to be a viable option to the fire prism, St6 ordnance/indirect optional/rending/ignores cover saves then sign me up. I guess will see but its going to have to be very good to beat the old Fire prism in slot allocation. . . . . and there is no way it will be able to compete with IG arty, just no way, to do that we would need something akin to a 48" range large blast always scatters distort cannon and I just don't see that happening any time soon.
If you want to blast someone off the table IG is the answer.
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Post by: Sarigar
For whatever reason, I'm assuming the new Eldar tank will be a HS choice. What if it isn't?
Heck, just imagine how different Eldar armies would have been if the War Walker was a FA choice rather than HS (IMO this is what should have happened).
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Post by: IG88
Well GW can make 2 obvios moves if it wants to make some easy money with the next eldar book and keep them more inline with what imperials can bring.
1. Move War Walkers to Fast attack, This may not happen just because they have 2 heavy weapons but makes sense since sentinels are fast attack.
2. Move the Falcon to the designated Transport section like the Wave Serpent, kind of like marines have Rhinos, Razorbacks and Land raiders.
those moves free up spots for things like the night spinner (if it's good that is) and makes Eldar as good as Guard with their damn Vendettas and other ridiculous transports that have yet to come out (the rumored DE nasty with the 20 shot cannon...yuck)
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Post by: puma713
IG88 wrote:Well GW can make 2 obvios moves if it wants to make some easy money with the next eldar book and keep them more inline with what imperials can bring.
1. Move War Walkers to Fast attack, This may not happen just because they have 2 heavy weapons but makes sense since sentinels are fast attack.
Agreed.
IG88 wrote:
2. Move the Falcon to the designated Transport section like the Wave Serpent, kind of like marines have Rhinos, Razorbacks and Land raiders.
This would be a welcome move, but I'd settle for a price reduction in the transports or, for the love, some sort of assault vehicle.
IG88 wrote:those moves free up spots for things like the night spinner (if it's good that is) and makes Eldar as good as Guard with their damn Vendettas and other ridiculous transports that have yet to come out (the rumored DE nasty with the 20 shot cannon...yuck)
The DE rumors were an April Fool's joke : /
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Post by: Necros
they're gonna make the night spinner a str 6 twin linked shootable flamer template with a range of 36" and ap 3. That will ensure that everyone buys at least 12.
We all know GW's design philosphy by now!
step 1: Make an awesome looking new model
step 2: make the rules for it totally insanely good and game breaking so everyone will buy it
step 3: ???
step 4: profit!
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Post by: Kanluwen
IG88 wrote:Well GW can make 2 obvious moves if it wants to make some easy money with the next eldar book and keep them more inline with what imperials can bring.
1. Move War Walkers to Fast attack, This may not happen just because they have 2 heavy weapons but makes sense since sentinels are fast attack.
2. Move the Falcon to the designated Transport section like the Wave Serpent, kind of like marines have Rhinos, Razorbacks and Land raiders.
those moves free up spots for things like the night spinner (if it's good that is) and makes Eldar as good as Guard with their damn Vendettas and other ridiculous transports that have yet to come out (the rumored DE nasty with the 20 shot cannon...yuck)
Sorry, so you want a no-brainer choice with no actual other options for your slots?
Take the damn Vendettas then. I don't want the bloody things, I like having options and being able to alter up lists to change up the flow and theme of an army.
Valkyries should've been designated transports from the get-go for the Imperial Guard, for Hardened Veteran squads, Command Squads, and Stormtrooper Squads rather than being some bastardized version of the Vulture and Thunderbolt rolled into one.
And in case you missed it:
The Dark Eldar rumors that came out earlier this week were an April Fool's prank done by some Warseer members early. The people who came up with it thought it was hilarious--hardly anyone else did though.
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Post by: Aduro
I bet the Nightspinner wll be cheaper/weaker than a Prism, but you'll get to take them in squadrons so that GW will be able to sell you more of them.
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Post by: Kroothawk
puma713 wrote:IG88 wrote:and other ridiculous transports that have yet to come out (the rumored DE nasty with the 20 shot cannon...yuck)
The DE rumors were an April Fool's joke : /
Actually it was a conspiracy by several Warseer veterans to spread false rumours in March, two days ahead of 1st April.
Just to call everyone having trust in the community's goodwill and Warseer moderation a fool and laugh at them. To add insult to injury, a moderator added that the 3 days thread starting 8pm 30th March all took place on 1st April 
If it weren't several veterans and several days ahead of 1st April, I would have noticed and not started a thread.
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Post by: CadianXV
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that whilst a plastic Manticore will undercut FW sales, a plastic Nightspinner will do exactly the same...
I'm guessing the GW suits may have considered this.
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Post by: Gargskull
Codex art is a really moot point, to use the Ork example, yes the Battlewagon resembles the art as do the Nobz but the new Stormboyz, kanz and deff dreds do not at all follow the art. The art is based on the models that were current at the time or in the case of the BW and nobz models that were in development. The Maticore art uses the Forgeworld model because it was the current design for 40k, GW can and apparently will change it if they so please.
With good reason too, if we keep going by codex art = what the model should look like then the Orks will never get a new buggy!
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Post by: Leggy
I don't think the real consideration is that forgeworld will be undercut. More that pressure will be taken off them. It's only a very small branch of the company that's always backlogged with orders (from what i understand anyway). Moving popular models into plastic is good for sales and helps Forgeworld shift other units (read: titans) quicker.
Thats just IMO, of course.
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
Curious to see how close the new rules for the 'spinner will be to the current apocalypse rules (Heavy 1 G72", S6, AP- 7" blast for 135 points)
I'd guess that the strength and AP will remain the same as this is the same as all eldar weapons of that type and the 72" range would also make sense given its role.
Possibly it might move to heavy 2 with 5" templates for a slight increase in points cost? Rending is also a possibilty but I can't see it getting ignore cover - that just doesn't 'mesh' (sorry ) with the inabilty of these weapon types to cut through armour.
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Post by: Lorne
Maybe something like a manticore with it dropping multiple templates.
I have seen a lot of eldar complaints about horde armies being an issue. Sure your aspect warriors are epic in combat but will lose to a 50 model ork mob.
Drop 3 S6 AP4 large blasts on any mob then let your warriors do the work.
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Post by: Breotan
I assume FW will simply discontinue their production of any models as they did when the Skyray and Piranha. With all the new stuff they're pumping out it's not like they'll really be losing a ton of money.
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Post by: DruidODurham
I really hope the plastic Nightspinner looks better than the FW one. I've always thought that model looked ridiculous, not very grimdark.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Of course GW is moving labor-intensive FW resin to lights-out mass-production plastic. The only point of FW continuing to exist at all is to have the early adopters pay for the basic model design via sales of limited edition resin variants.
Oh yeah, War Walkers as Fast, and Falcons as Transport would be obvious corrections to the Eldar army list.
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Post by: hyperviper6
Death Korps of Krieg Manticore lol... I saw a similar model yesterday on in my local hobby shop for the WW2 truck.
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Post by: reds8n
landingshortly of Warseer wrote:got this confirmed:
- eldar fire prism / night spinner plastic: 39,90 EUR
- eldar anti grav platform: 22,50 EUR
i was also told that an ork buggy is on its way.
cheers.
Think those prices might be rounded up/down a few cents but seems about right to me.
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
@ reds8n - do you know any details of the anti-grav platform?
Just one platfom with 2x crew and the gun options seems expensive, whilst a battery of 3 would be incredibly cheap - unless the whole thing has been redesigned to be bigger overall (perhaps with an eye on making eldar arty more powerful in the next 'dex?)
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Post by: reds8n
..not yet I'm afraid.
I'd heard something about these a while back, but am quite surprised they're being rolled out now as it seems.
I'd assumed it was going to appear at the next Eldar update..who knows...maybe even alongside those reworked jetbikes.
Last I'd heard -- not seen I stress -- they were getting something that looked like a Falcon turret kind of look, on 'seer Daemon Prince Adramalech says
Oh they are very lovely.....think vyper gunners cradles and you wont go far wrong
I reckon this will indeed be a single platform, presumably with multiple/all weapon options.
I did hear something ages ago about some multipack of 3 type boxset...*shrugs* maybe that was scrapped, or might be a future splash release, or maybe even an Xmas deal if the battleforces/battalions are indeed getting squatted.
Sorry I cannot be more help here, as/when I get something I'll holler.
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
*sound of brakes squealing*
Battleforces/Battalions getting squatted?
When did I miss this!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Gargskull
*Ears prick up* Did someone mention buggies... *hopeful look* 
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Post by: reds8n
It was a rumour doing the rounds a short while back, that the Beastman battalion would be the last one they do,aside from a few limited edition/splash release at Xmas, army launches and the like.
haven't heard anything conclusive one way or another yet.
... no sign or even a whisper of a Blood Angel battleforce set yet. Which is..disconcerting in this regard.
Course could just be a blip caused by UNKNOWN FACTOR X or somesuch.
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Post by: Sasori
Battleforces/battalions getting squatted would be awful. I love most of the box sets, and have gotten multiples of some of them.
Still, I hope to see the Nightspinner and new Eldar units soon! The waiting is just killing me!
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Post by: Cruentus
So, do the rules for the Nightspinner in WD mean that they're relegated to Apocalypse games and 'opponent consent' or does it make it an 'official' unit for the Eldar Dex?
GWs ever malleable design and rules process had changed to keep things in one book for ease of use, etc. Are they changing that direction (again)?
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Post by: Flashman
Not sure yet, but GW has any sense (ho ho), I think they will make them official. People won't buy otherwise.
EDIT - Scratch that, the kit incluces a plastic fire prism as well doesn't it? People will buy regardless
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Post by: Necros
I like the idea of battleforces and batallions but for me personally I've never gotten one. So you get like 4 units for the price of 3 or around that. It's nice but for me I've never seen one that I wanted to buy because there's always 1-2 things in the box that I just don't want. About the only one that seems useful to me at all would be the imperial guard batallions, but I'd rather they changed the name to a platoon box set since that's really what you're getting...
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Post by: Scottywan82
Flashman wrote:Not sure yet, but GW has any sense (ho ho), I think they will make them official. People won't buy otherwise.
EDIT - Scratch that, the kit incluces a plastic fire prism as well doesn't it? People will buy regardless
QFT Love me some plastic sets. I wonder if the Eldar support weapons do well, will they rework the Ork ones into plastic? Or maybe the Thunderfire Cannon the next go round for Space Marines?
Plastic Techmarines with all options... mmmm... at last.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
I've almost never seen and Eldar Support platform actually used in games even by the most devoted Eldar players, which is a shame because I think they can be both powerful and entertaining given the rules for them. And given recent precedent, the current cost of $33 US for the metal version of the model kit is unlikely to change much at all for the plastic version.
Battleforces and similar bundle deals are great. I have purchased many such box sets over the years.
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Post by: vitki
reds8n wrote: It was a rumour doing the rounds a short while back, that the Beastman battalion would be the last one they do,aside from a few limited edition/splash release at Xmas, army launches and the like.
haven't heard anything conclusive one way or another yet.
... no sign or even a whisper of a Blood Angel battleforce set yet. Which is..disconcerting in this regard.
Course could just be a blip caused by UNKNOWN FACTOR X or somesuch.
My local redshirt told me the same thing when beastmen came out.
take that with the condiment of your choice 
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Post by: Kanluwen
I can't see the battalion thing being true.
Did Beastmen have a Spearhead box though? Because I haven't seen any of those in awhile.
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Post by: reds8n
Spearhead sets went the way of the dodo quite sometime ago.
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Post by: farseerphil
I have 9 painted support platforms that i have never used. i am looking forward to some update to their Rules and models. I probably wont shell out another 250$ but i will certainly popularize them with melting my opponents faces or .... sending them into the warp.
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Post by: Falconlance
If only the rumor was they were getting new rules to accompany the new model.
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Post by: Flashman
Can't see them doing rules for the Support Platforms which would be a shame, because any nice new rules for the Night Spinner should be reflected in the rules for Shadow Weavers (which are rubbish).
I remember the good old days of Epic (or Space Marine as it was called then) where Shadow Weavers left tangled webs on the battlefield that troops crossed at their peril.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Well, it figures, the closest thing GW offered in the way of good value for money is supposedly being phased out.
It's just as well I guess, the battleforces/battalions were getting really crappy anyway, might as well not have them at all. The new Tyranid box especially, $105 and it doesn't even have a carnifex in it.
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Post by: Kanluwen
New models doesn't mean something need new rules, so it's still a silly assumption. When the Guard Stormtroopers are finally released, I sincerely doubt we'll see new rules for them.
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Post by: Sasori
Kanluwen wrote:
New models doesn't mean something need new rules, so it's still a silly assumption. When the Guard Stormtroopers are finally released, I sincerely doubt we'll see new rules for them.
When the current rules are inadequate, and they want to pump sales of the new models, then I would say it's quite possible for the support platforms to have new rules in WD.
Your IG analogy, isn't a fair one either, since they recently got a new codex, and it's been several years since the Eldar have gotten one.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Sidstyler wrote:Well, it figures, the closest thing GW offered in the way of good value for money is supposedly being phased out.
It's just as well I guess, the battleforces/battalions were getting really crappy anyway, might as well not have them at all. The new Tyranid box especially, $105 and it doesn't even have a carnifex in it.
I really really really doubt this will come to pass.
Army boxes? I can understand why they got rid of them. They were a specialty item that ended up being bought just for the limited edition model and early access to the Codex, then the rest broken into lots and sold on eBay for the most part.
Spearheads? Same deal, just no limited edition model.
Battleforces/battalions supposedly make up a large percentage of their beginner sales.
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Sasori wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Sasori wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
New models doesn't mean something need new rules, so it's still a silly assumption. When the Guard Stormtroopers are finally released, I sincerely doubt we'll see new rules for them.
When the current rules are inadequate, and they want to pump sales of the new models, then I would say it's quite possible for the support platforms to have new rules in WD.
Your IG analogy, isn't a fair one either, since they recently got a new codex, and it's been several years since the Eldar have gotten one.
Perfectly fair one.
The Stormtrooper rules absolutely blow.
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Post by: Nofasse 'Eadhunta
Wtf is a Nightspinner?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Monofilament firing gun on a tank. Kind of sweet really.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Sasori wrote:Kanluwen wrote:The rules are being released in White Dwarf, alongside of the "Spearhead" expansion rules.
I think he meant for the support platforms, since there is a rumor they're getting new models as well.
Exactly. Support Platforms are short range, high cost, and small effect - change the rules, and they'll be fine.
If the range stays as-is, at least make them Relentless with bigger effect! Automatically Appended Next Post: Kanluwen wrote:New models doesn't mean something need new rules, so it's still a silly assumption. When the Guard Stormtroopers are finally released, I sincerely doubt we'll see new rules for them.
Guard has Kasrkin models for their Stormtroopers, so no update was needed.
The new Stormtrooper models are likely to be model-specific to, and released as part of Codex: Inquisition / Grey Knights (not C: Sisters of Battle), with new rules. That would make sense.
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Post by: Alpharius
Nofasse 'Eadhunta wrote:Wtf is a Nightspinner?
Something that looks like this:
Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Monofilament firing gun on a tank. Kind of sweet really.
Think of it as an artillery sized Warp Spider gun...
JohnHwangDD wrote:
Kanluwen wrote:New models doesn't mean something need new rules, so it's still a silly assumption. When the Guard Stormtroopers are finally released, I sincerely doubt we'll see new rules for them.
Guard has Kasrkin models for their Stormtroopers, so no update was needed.
The new Stormtrooper models are likely to be model-specific to, and released as part of Codex: Inquisition / Grey Knights (not C: Sisters of Battle), with new rules. That would make sense.
You beat me to it!
I see this as exactly would will (or at least, should!) happen.
New codex, new spiffy rules (learning the lessons for why they aren't so good now!), and awesome new plastic models = win for everyone.
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Post by: Kanluwen
JohnHwangDD wrote:
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Kanluwen wrote:New models doesn't mean something need new rules, so it's still a silly assumption. When the Guard Stormtroopers are finally released, I sincerely doubt we'll see new rules for them.
Guard has Kasrkin models for their Stormtroopers, so no update was needed.
The new Stormtrooper models are likely to be model-specific to, and released as part of Codex: Inquisition / Grey Knights (not C: Sisters of Battle), with new rules. That would make sense.
Then you'd be wrong, because the Stormtrooper green we saw way back when we saw the other Guard codex greens points them towards looking like the Kasrkin, just in plastic and with shotgun options for Grenadier Veterans.
Releasing them as part of Codex "Grey Knights/Inquisition" would be a stupid move.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Kanluwen wrote:Releasing them as part of Codex "Grey Knights/Inquisition" would be a stupid move.
How would it be stupid? It's a base Troops unit for Inqs vs an Elites for IG.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Thanks, Plat - quicker on the draw than I!
C: Inquisition would include Storms for Troops, which means new plastic Storms.
Keeping the Troops metal wouldn't follow the current rule of Troops get plastic kits.
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Post by: Boss 'eadbreaka
CadianXV wrote:I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that whilst a plastic Manticore will undercut FW sales, a plastic Nightspinner will do exactly the same...
I'm guessing the GW suits may have considered this.
This may be so, but I have a feeling that the Manticores and Nightspinners havn't been selling to well down at FW.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Platuan4th wrote:Kanluwen wrote:Releasing them as part of Codex "Grey Knights/Inquisition" would be a stupid move.
How would it be stupid? It's a base Troops unit for Inqs vs an Elites for IG.
It's a basic Troops unit for Inquisition now. We don't know that they'd remain Troops in a redone GK/Inquisition codex.
For all we know, they'd be a Fast Attack slot with jetpacks firing out of their arses.
JohnHwangDD wrote:C: Inquisition would include Storms for Troops, which means new plastic Storms.
Keeping the Troops metal wouldn't follow the current rule of Troops get plastic kits.
Again: assumption. We've been told that we'll see the Chambers Militant taking a bigger role. What does that mean?
Hell if I know, but it puts Stormtroopers out of the running.
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Post by: plaugerat
yes i can finally expand my eldar force plus da warboss has hadd da dremz of takin down da floatie pointy eared humies big flyer thingys
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Kanluwen wrote:JohnHwangDD wrote:C: Inquisition would include Storms for Troops, which means new plastic Storms.
Keeping the Troops metal wouldn't follow the current rule of Troops get plastic kits.
Again: assumption. We've been told that we'll see the Chambers Militant taking a bigger role. What does that mean?
Hell if I know, but it puts Stormtroopers out of the running.
If we're complaining about bad assumptions, your assumption that Storms are going to disappear entirely from the Inq / DH / GK book or else move from Troops to some other position is *far* less believable.
You're saying that a focus on Grey Knights is somehow going to result in 40+pt GKTs and/or 20+ pt GKPA/GKAA as Troops with 10+ pt Storms as Elites?
In an edition that is Troops-centric, Inq / DH / GK are going to *lose* a perfectly-viable Troops choice?
And I'm the one who's making the wild assumption for staying with the status quo?
Really? 
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Post by: Kanluwen
JohnHwangDD wrote:Kanluwen wrote:JohnHwangDD wrote:C: Inquisition would include Storms for Troops, which means new plastic Storms.
Keeping the Troops metal wouldn't follow the current rule of Troops get plastic kits.
Again: assumption. We've been told that we'll see the Chambers Militant taking a bigger role. What does that mean?
Hell if I know, but it puts Stormtroopers out of the running.
If we're complaining about bad assumptions, your assumption that Storms are going to disappear entirely from the Inq / DH / GK book or else move from Troops to some other position is *far* less believable.
You're saying that a focus on Grey Knights is somehow going to result in 40+pt GKTs and/or 20+ pt GKPA/GKAA as Troops with 10+ pt Storms as Elites?
In an edition that is Troops-centric, Inq / DH / GK are going to *lose* a perfectly-viable Troops choice?
And I'm the one who's making the wild assumption for staying with the status quo?
Really?
I point you at the Imperial Guard Veteran Squads v. Imperial Guard Infantry Platoons.
We've been told this is going to be a "combined" Inquisition codex. Which implies Deathwatch, Sisters of Battle, and Grey Knights as available choices. For all we know, Deathwatch as FA, Grey Knights as Heavy Support/Elites and Sisters as Troops.
It's possible, but it's so far we can't say.
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Post by: Klawz
Kanluwen wrote:JohnHwangDD wrote:Kanluwen wrote:JohnHwangDD wrote:C: Inquisition would include Storms for Troops, which means new plastic Storms.
Keeping the Troops metal wouldn't follow the current rule of Troops get plastic kits.
Again: assumption. We've been told that we'll see the Chambers Militant taking a bigger role. What does that mean?
Hell if I know, but it puts Stormtroopers out of the running.
If we're complaining about bad assumptions, your assumption that Storms are going to disappear entirely from the Inq / DH / GK book or else move from Troops to some other position is *far* less believable.
You're saying that a focus on Grey Knights is somehow going to result in 40+pt GKTs and/or 20+ pt GKPA/GKAA as Troops with 10+ pt Storms as Elites?
In an edition that is Troops-centric, Inq / DH / GK are going to *lose* a perfectly-viable Troops choice?
And I'm the one who's making the wild assumption for staying with the status quo?
Really?
I point you at the Imperial Guard Veteran Squads v. Imperial Guard Infantry Platoons.
We've been told this is going to be a "combined" Inquisition codex. Which implies Deathwatch, Sisters of Battle, and Grey Knights as available choices. For all we know, Deathwatch as FA, Grey Knights as Heavy Support/Elites and Sisters as Troops.
It's possible, but it's so far we can't say.
But then you couldn't ake an all grey knights/Sob army, which they wouldn't do. Stop being the old man going "And another thing..."
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Post by: Nurglitch
So given that there's going to be a Nightspinner, presumably as part of an all-plastic Fire Prism kit, do you think we'll see a Firestorm sprue to round it off? The Demolisher got three variants, and some anti-aircraft (although Fire Prisms are AA in Epic) to go with anti-tank and anti-infantry would be peachy-keen.
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Post by: Alpharius
Have we been told that we're getting a 'combined' IQ codex?
I though we were told we're getting Codex: Grey Knights and Codex: Sister of Battle?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alpharius wrote:Have we been told that we're getting a 'combined' IQ codex?
I though we were told we're getting Codex: Grey Knights and Codex: Sister of Battle?
The louder elements of the rumor community point towards a combined Inquisition codex, with options to make 'pure' Chamber Militant armies via characters.
But nobody is saying much either way.
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Post by: Tim the Biovore
I gotta say that picture earlier makes it look quite cartoony.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
JohnHwangDD wrote:The only point of FW continuing to exist at all is to have the early adopters pay for the basic model design via sales of limited edition resin variants.
Not really.
FW does their own thing and does things that GW will never do. FW has been a huge success. Why would they treat it only as a 'test bed' for products they want to do in plastic. Automatically Appended Next Post: Tim the Biovore wrote:I gotta say that picture earlier makes it look quite cartoony.
That's just the paint job. Friend of mine has a Nightspinner. They look really cool in person.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alaitoc's color scheme has always been cartoony on vehicles. The blue and yellow makes it look like a movie tie-in toy, if it's not done properly or broken up with patches of white or handpainted runes.
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Post by: CadianXV
Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:
This may be so, but I have a feeling that the Manticores and Nightspinners havn't been selling to well down at FW.
Based on what information? If the models haven't been selling, it would make more financial sense to simply discontinue them, rather than risk the expense of turning them into plastic, surely?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Or the moulds are about to die and rather than put money into renewing them, they can port them over to plastic 40K kits. In the case of the Manticore, it's in the Codex, so it makes sense, and then in the case of the Nightspinner, they can write a 'tank expansion' and include the rules with that (which is exactly what they're doing - using the rules to drive model sales, as always).
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Post by: Balance
Kanluwen wrote:We've been told this is going to be a "combined" Inquisition codex. Which implies Deathwatch, Sisters of Battle, and Grey Knights as available choices. For all we know, Deathwatch as FA, Grey Knights as Heavy Support/Elites and Sisters as Troops.
Actually, I think we've been told that it isn't going to be a combined Codex.
But plans can change, sure.
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Post by: Nurglitch
According to the 5th edition rulebook it'll be a single army book.
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Post by: Kroothawk
According to the thread title , this thread is about Eldar Night Spinners, not an Inquisition Codex. There are half a dozen other threads on that topic.
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Post by: Flashman
Kroothawk wrote:According to the thread title , this thread is about Eldar Night Spinners, not an Inquisition Codex. There are half a dozen other threads on that topic.
Nobody expects the Inquistion! (sorry, but you did tee it up)
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Post by: Ogretorix
Well here what i figured out from watching GW/FW marketing moves and heres how it is
Games workshop and Forgeworld are redeveloping there market stratagy and sharehold. GW seems to be making the models found in the codex's while Forgeworld seems to be more concentrating on units found in there Imperial armor books. Every new codex released so far has a ton of new models available for use in your core game. As expected GW releases a few new models when they release the codex. They also hold back model releases for certain events to keep people who play/collect the models to keep coming back to the store. This has a 2 fold effect, first this enables longevity of an army to more than the first month of its release for sales as well as it keeps sales at a constant level by having consumers make repeat visits to the store every couple of months vs a intial rush then the army does poorly after the intial release.
Manticore/Deathstrike Lets be honest its gonna be based of the chimera chasis. This is the standard platform for all support vechiles in the Imperial Guard. Although something different for looks would be nice, it doesn't fit properly with architecture of the imperial gaurd.
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Post by: BrookM
All models will go on pre-order the 10th of May.
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Post by: Scottywan82
BrookM wrote:All models will go on pre-order the 10th of May.
That will be awesome if true. Cannot wait!
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Post by: BrookM
GW Amsterdam put that in their newsletter today.
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Post by: Scottywan82
They didn't give a fully disclosed list of what would be preorder-able, though, did they?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I've heard from another source that the releases definitely are a new Russ, the Manticore/Deathstrike, Fire Prism/Night Spinner, and Eldar Support Weapon Platform. No Buggies, nothing else.
And no idea if the Russ is a proper new Russ (ala the new Demolisher kit) or a half-assed repackage w/price increase (ala the 'new' Basilisk).
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Post by: Scottywan82
If that's it, I'm kind of sad. But the LRBT at least better have all the remaining variants.
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Post by: BrookM
Scottywan82 wrote:They didn't give a fully disclosed list of what would be preorder-able, though, did they?
Nope, otherwise I would've shared it. They probably already know, but like good peons they adhere to the rules.
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Post by: Alpharius
H.B.M.C. wrote:
And no idea if the Russ is a proper new Russ (ala the new Demolisher kit) or a half-assed repackage w/price increase (ala the 'new' Basilisk).
They wouldn't dare pull that Basilisk stunt again, would they???
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Post by: Scottywan82
Alpharius wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:
And no idea if the Russ is a proper new Russ (ala the new Demolisher kit) or a half-assed repackage w/price increase (ala the 'new' Basilisk).
They wouldn't dare pull that Basilisk stunt again, would they???
Seriously, sometimes i wonder what game you play.
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Post by: bhsman
Scottywan82 wrote:Seriously, sometimes i wonder what game you play.
Yea man, if only GW would sell stuff like River Trolls or Gargoyles or Killa Kans or Boar Boyz or something instead of just that one time where they raised the price of stuff, but you're right, there is no hope in this valley of death~
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Post by: Nurglitch
bhsman:
Hey now, being a gigantic faceless corporate titan of evil is hard work. Sometimes you have to take time off from stealing candy from babies and push old ladies into traffic. I'm sure they lowered the slave-wages paid to their 3rd-world labour force in order to increase the lead content of the Killa Kans.
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Post by: Scottywan82
bhsman wrote:Yea man, if only GW would sell stuff like River Trolls or Gargoyles or Killa Kans or Boar Boyz or something instead of just that one time where they raised the price of stuff, but you're right, there is no hope in this valley of death~
Are you telling me, you really don't believe they would bring out a recut LRBT without any of the other variants? you really don't believe that they'd waste a release slot on something that useless?
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Post by: Alpharius
Scottywan82 wrote:Alpharius wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:
And no idea if the Russ is a proper new Russ (ala the new Demolisher kit) or a half-assed repackage w/price increase (ala the 'new' Basilisk).
They wouldn't dare pull that Basilisk stunt again, would they???
Seriously, sometimes i wonder what game you play.
Um yeah, I was kidding...
Still, hopefully the backlash was large enough, and the sales were low enough, on the Basilisk kit to prevent this from happening.
Of course, lead times being what they are, it is already too late, if this indeed the case...
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Post by: bhsman
Scottywan82 wrote:Are you telling me, you really don't believe they would bring out a recut LRBT without any of the other variants? you really don't believe that they'd waste a release slot on something that useless?
It's certainly possible, but more often than not posts like yours perpetuate the idea that GW is some comic book villain and that not capitalizing letters is acceptable. 
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Post by: BrookM
It's a bit too late to take in criticism, seeing as kits aren't done in a week.
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Post by: Scottywan82
bhsman wrote:It's certainly possible, but more often than not posts like yours perpetuate the idea that GW is some comic book villain and that not capitalizing letters is acceptable.
While yours perpetuate the idea that GW is the world's most perfect company, and make me glad for the Ignore button.
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Post by: Kirasu
Ive already made my own custom apoc rules for the nightspinner in anticipation of GW continuing to make it totally useless
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Post by: bhsman
Scottywan82 wrote:While yours perpetuate the idea that GW is the world's most perfect company, and make me glad for the Ignore button.
If a bad joke was all it took then you must be a very patient person indeed yes  No, they aren't a perfect company, but such cynicism is unfounded.
Kirasu, what do your house rules for the Nightspinner look like?
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Post by: Kirasu
bhsman wrote:Scottywan82 wrote:While yours perpetuate the idea that GW is the world's most perfect company, and make me glad for the Ignore button.
If a bad joke was all it took then you must be a very patient person indeed yes No, they aren't a perfect company, but such cynicism is unfounded.
Kirasu, what do your house rules for the Nightspinner look like?
Updated Apoc Eldar rules
You can go there to view them if you want! Will have to scroll down to the heavy support section to find it. Basically we use an entirely rewritten eldar book for apoc due to how outdated and pointless over half the units are :p They're also designed with Biel Tan as your craftworld..
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
bhsman wrote:... such cynicism is unfounded.
No it's not.
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Post by: xowainx
H.B.M.C. wrote:bhsman wrote:... such cynicism is unfounded.
No it's not.
Not really, it's not like they said it was a new kit or anything, even in White Dwarf they said it was just being reboxed so that it didn't have the old Chimera chassis sprue in it, as it would have been the only kit left that did, and thus would have looked out of place. Sure the price rise was crappy, but it would have happened sooner or later to bring it in line with the Hellhound/Demolisher kits (in effect charging for the accessories sprue). If they hadn't have swapped it out people would have just moaned that they were ripping off people by "tricking them" into buying the older hull.
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Post by: MasterSlowPoke
Scottywan82 wrote:While yours perpetuate the idea that GW is the world's most perfect company, and make me glad for the Ignore button.
yeah man thats exactly what he said
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Post by: reds8n
Hey look ! Something kind of related to the topic and/or 40K ! ON Dakka !
anyway, some news about this :
Hello
I could chat some time with Mr Cruddace last Sunday in the Games day about the spearhead expansion
Well, about miniature releases, nothing. "Wait. Read the WD magazine and look at the website."
About the rules of this expansion he was a bit more talkative.
Basically, the point of this expansion is to play only with tanks and vehicles. Deployment is made contrary to the usual games (on deep (¿?))
Some tanks will be able to take targets but not the other.
I’ve seen him to be enthusiastic about the game system. So i asked him: What about armies without tanks, like tyranids? He was warned: “Tanks are replaced by monstrous creatures”
So the vehicles are chosen like normal units, in squadrons if one unit is like that.
Well, that’s all i remember after 2 days and the Waaagh roaring every two minutes in the area.
I think the deployment thingy is about setting up on the short board edges instead of the long ones. Also, I'm fairly certain that what they actually mean is all tanks can be fielded in squadrons even if that isn't a usual codex option.
Thanks to Messrs. Hoarmurel and Quaarin for the scoops and translation work.
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Post by: Redemption
H.B.M.C. wrote:And no idea if the Russ is a proper new Russ (ala the new Demolisher kit) or a half-assed repackage w/price increase (ala the 'new' Basilisk).
Well, one important difference between the Basilisk and the LRBT is that the current LRBT turret doesn't fit on the new chassis because of the new locking turret rings. So either they'd have to make a new sprue with a top hull that has the old turret ring just to be able to fit an old sprue, or they have to make a new sprue that has a new turret. Which do you think is more likely?
Besides, some people in the know already mentioned the new kit will have all missing variants.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Personally I think it will be a new kit - but will it have all four remaining Russ types on it?
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Post by: Gargskull
Hope for four, expect three!
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Post by: Redemption
Like I mentioned, various people in the know, which have been correct in the past, already mentioned that it'll have all 4 missing variants.
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Post by: bhsman
H.B.M.C. wrote:bhsman wrote:... such cynicism is unfounded.
No it's not.
Yea man it's not like I mentioned Boar Boyz or Gargoyles or just about every plastic kit that made the transition from metal to plastic or even from resin where people ended up saving money lol
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Post by: Just Dave
bhsman wrote:H.B.M.C. wrote:bhsman wrote:... such cynicism is unfounded.
No it's not.
Yea man it's not like I mentioned Boar Boyz or Gargoyles or just about every plastic kit that made the transition from metal to plastic or even from resin where people ended up saving money lol
Ooomph. Well played!
On Topic, I'm apprehensive about the idea of spearhead - I don't really feel more emphasis on vehicles is needed, particularly when they could be using their time to update ye olde codices or keeping up the interest in apocolypse or planetstrike.
I do however like the idea of these regular releases of plastics, particularly more 'interesting' ones such as new (kind of) vehicles. I hope that they may publish some extra rules within White Dwarf that can be used with the Weapon Platforms or that people who play for fun may use them...
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Post by: bhsman
Just Dave wrote:Ooomph. Well played!
Thanks. Now I just hope nobody decides to add it to their signature. 
On Topic, I'm apprehensive about the idea of spearhead - I don't really feel more emphasis on vehicles is needed, particularly when they could be using their time to update ye olde codices or keeping up the interest in apocolypse or planetstrike.
I do however like the idea of these regular releases of plastics, particularly more 'interesting' ones such as new (kind of) vehicles. I hope that they may publish some extra rules within White Dwarf that can be used with the Weapon Platforms or that people who play for fun may use them...
I wouldn't be so worried; stuff like this selling encourages GW to come up with more interesting rulesets for the players who don't have time to work out complicated rules for campaigns. Not to mention that if the June 2010 White Dwarf outsells all others from previous years, maybe GW will also be convinced to start printing extra rulesets in the magazine again. Either way, we win. 
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