et voila

Wow, very nice, those Trolls look brilliant! The vomiting one looks like a piece of art from one of the really old WFB campaigns, Dark Shadows was it? Years ago. Anyway very cool.

I'm going to find the sculptors responsible for the pumbagor and now these pumboarboyz and beat them to death with a special edition dvd of the Lion King.

I mean, come on, we're not living in the 80's comedy-model age any more...

On the upside the trolls look pretty sweet (if a bit fat). I'd have preferred stone trolls, mind, but that's just personal preference.

wow. Those trolls are fantastic looking! Any idea who the sculptor is for the trolls?

Wow, the ever so rare triple post. Nicely done Gabe lol

As for the models: I dont really care for the boars. I do see the similarity to Pumba, but I dont find it nearly as offensive as Calvin does.

The trolls are ACE tho!

T-T-T-Triple post!

I'm backing up the poster who said we should murder the boar-boyz sculptor. I'm all excited for more plastic, but those figures are hideous.

Wow, a triple post. Anyway, I'm going to sit this release out. Boars look horrible, and don't get me started on the Trolls. It is probably just personal preference, but I prefer the old ones.

EDIT: My bad. I thought those were replacing regular Trolls, but now I know they are River Trolls. Much Better!

..bit weird there. Thread repair : alakazam !

reds8n wrote:..bit weird there. Thread repair : alakazam !

Your powers are mighty, Lord Satan!

Yeah, on further examination, those trolls are nothing to write home about either. I'm really surprised they didn't go with something easier to model, like a stone troll.

ahh FFS!

Stupid feking GW.

Just when i convince my self to finish painting up my chaos, tyranid and imperial guard armies, they go and do this.


My anger knows no limits. (love the models)

I have no problem at all with the Boars. They're fine. Seriously, what did you all expect? They are supposed to be wild pigs, and I think they made them look sufficiently mean. I really like the River Trolls, but the vomiting head is a bit much - can it be swapped out, I wonder?

..course it might be good if I include the GW link as well as the pics. Apologies.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/armySubUnitCats.jsp?catId=cat1491876&rootCatGameStyle=

I expected them to look at least as good as the old boar models. They did not pass.

If the pumboarboyz looked like wild pigs, that would be great and I'd love the models - but they look like pumba.


Hence the name.

I think they look great, and will be buying some boxes to convert into cyboars. They're so much more dynamic than the old ones.

Those Trolls are amazing. I may buy some and I don't even play Warhammer. Boar Boys are a bit meh.

What size bases are those Trolls on 40mm or 50mm?

I like the boar boyz they look good, going to buy some to convert. Why people are always whining?

I'm not entirely sold on those boars, although at least there's a nice sense of movement about them. The trolls are great however, nice and imaginative design.

Chimera_Calvin wrote:I'm going to find the sculptors responsible for the pumbagor and now these pumboarboyz and beat them to death with a special edition dvd of the Lion King.

Could you send it to me once you're done? I really want the movie, but I just can't find it anywhere.

I like both. I'm probably building a unit of Cyboars for my 40k Orks, once I figure out how I can attach big shootas and the Trolls are going in my 40k Nurgle Force.

my problem with the Boarz is that the heads don't like like pigs (or boars for that matter). I work every second weekend at a pig farm, so I should know. However I'm sure some Greenstuff would make them reasonable for me. But I don't even play OaG, so it doesn't matter.

They'd fit the 40k orcs sense of humor quite well imo, fantasy.. maybe not as much... (the armoured one does look great though).

Trolls are great , but those boars are still terrible, as bad as space marines riding a dire wolf.

The boars are... OK.

There is, sadly, a hint of Razorgoritis in them.

The one with its eyes closed is rather funny.

The Trolls?

They are a bit well fed, but nice enough I guess.

But, as someone already mentioned, I wish they would have gone with Stone Trolls!

The trolls are ace, but the boars are a bit close to Chaos Pumbas.

Thankfully, they lack the ridiculous eyes.

I love those Trolls the vomit is going to find a lot of use among Nurgle players. The boars are interesting. I like the armoured one, the unarmoured ones seem to be going down the same road as the Skaven; very stylised with not much detail. It's an interesting change compared to the old mounts that have been going for far too long. As with a lot of the recent models it really comes down to the painter. I have found that the GW paint schemes aren't that amazing lately and as with the models are very stylised. I'll wait to see the models in the 'flesh' before I pass jusgement. I hated the miotaurs until I saw the ones at my local GW which played down the large areas of pink skin. I dont like the way that the Eavy Metal team insist on overly shaded flat areas. It's as bad as the non metal metal technique that makes me want to scream almost as much as the now standard vehicle battle damage that they insist on painting on everything that has wheels in 40k. I really like the way John Blanche paints and he's a good example of what can be achieved with the new plastics.

Nice to see new takes on classic troops though.

These models are very nice. I like the vomiting river troll.

I agree about the orcs riding pumba.


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Riders good, boars are AWFUL. Really not what I wanted to see.

When did the cartoonish design team for World of Warcraft buy out the grimdark design team for Warhammer.

The trolls are good however.

The trolls look ok to me - could have done with slightly longer legs, but otherwise they look pretty cool.

The boars - well, they are not horrible, but I think a good paint job will cover up the slightly cartoonish design.

@MGS, That's exactly what it is too! It looks like WoW. I knew it bugged me for some reason.

Not really interested in either but the trolls are fantastic looking.
The boars not so much, the riders are great however.

I like them both. The Boars are well above the existing ones. The riders look like they are falling forward though. Might be the pic.

The Trolls ROCK!!!

..is that Gwar! on the left puking on a RAI devotee?

I think that painting the boar heads a darker grey-ish color will help them a lot.

I like 'em. The boars aren't spectacular, but they look wayyyy better than the Razorgor.

Redbeard wrote:I think they look great, and will be buying some boxes to convert into cyboars. They're so much more dynamic than the old ones.

Echoing this sentiment, but with the River Trolls and to paint "just for funsies".

I looked at the trolls and thought "Oh, look, plastic Nurgle Daemon Princes." Just add wings.

The Boars look better than the old ones. Get over it.

These things look great. Love the trolls and the boars.

Was thinking the same thing, would love to see how these are broken out - could make some great DPs or Oblits maybe.

Where are my plastic Kroxigor?! Really like the trolls, would have liked the boars more if their tusks were more realistic in size.

I love 'em!
The pigs look like pigs and the trolls do not resemble mutant otters!
And the vomit is a VERY nice touch!

Well I think they look excellent. Don't really see the problem with the boars. Personally very happy with GW's latest sculpts.

wow those trolls look great.

If you check out the GW website, it looks like the vomite is an addon piece. Which is helpful

And on the boar riders, if you see some different angled pics (again on GW website) the boyz look like theyre literally hanging on. Which is a nice touch, and pretty hilarious.

The boars have more sense of movement, but they somehow managed to make them look even more cartoony than the old ones. Not sold.

The Trolls, though, are things of beauty. Hideous, gruesome beauty.

I don't play WHFB but I really like the River Trolls. I might have to get some just for fun.

The boar riders are just "meh", IMO.

*Cues Bach's Magnificat in D and starts conducting*

Gloria! Magnificat! Gloria! Magni-yee-yee-eyee-ficat!

I wonder, will they have an option, or release a model for a Boss on a boar?

River trolls- look better than the black and white pics I saw a couple months back.

Boarboy riders- look fantastic
The boars.... Great movement in the models, but there is just something not right about the face. Pumba or not it doesn't look like a normal boar.

RANT MODE ON
A side issue for me (and I raised it when I found out this stuff was coming out back in December), why is GW releasing these now?

1: Trolls of any sort are almost never seen in any O&G armies (the main market for the models I assume). Releasing new models for a unit with uber lame rules will get an initial boost in sales, but down the track, when new players are taking up O&G armies, they won't be buying them, which means the mold won't pay for itself.

2: Those who use boar boys will probably have them already (assuming O&G players are the main market). There will be some spill over into feral ork 40k armies but as far as cav go, I think boar boys are about as bad as you can get in WHFB, on a par with TK 'heavy' cav and Lizardmen cold one riders (Neither unit I have seen in the last 2 years in any game), due to their insanely high cost to make them decent (full equipmment and big uns, and the animosity rule).

3: And most importantly O&G are about as suckful an army as you can get in WHFB anymore. People take them for 'fun games' (I use the term loosely as I have never, ever, had a more frustrating army that has its own built in 'brain fart' rule that cripples almost any unit in the army on the roll of a 1 and usually puts them in an awkward spot by forcing a charge or putting you in charge range on the roll of a 6 on a d6).
You want to sell minis- release good rules. it has worked for Daemons, Dark Elves, VCs and Lizardmen.

New priority: get hold of those boarboyz, stat! These new models are just ace, and I'm now sorely tempted. Curses!

George Spiggott wrote:What size bases are those Trolls on 40mm or 50mm?

I want to say they're 40mm, but I'm no judge of base sizes. I'm hoping they're still 40mm, as I'm not going to rebase my Trolls if they are 50mm each. It would give us a good glimpse at what's to come in the next O&G book, though, if they are 50mm (and seemingly other armies in general: If Raz and Trolls are both 50mm, then - if any more of the new books release 50mm units - that's a pretty good sign that gone are going the 40mm's for non-Ogres).

RaegMachine wrote:I like the boar boyz they look good, going to buy some to convert. Why people are always whining?

Because the models are not up to par with what we expect from GW? To me, the boars are tolerable. The one wearing a mask is the best of the lot, since its head is covered. The main thing that caught my ire, for some reason, is the spears that look almost like swords on the end of sticks. It might just be me, but I prefer spears that look like spears. Not some Orc getting the bright idea to wrap their choppa onto the end of a broken light pole (for that matter, stop making polearm staves as thick as a soda bottle).

Also: Whilst the Boar Boyz is a good change, anyone else notice that the new Plastic Trolls are only about 50 cents less than they use to be when metals before the price hikes?


EDIT:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:
1: Trolls of any sort are almost never seen in any O&G armies (the main market for the models I assume). Releasing new models for a unit with uber lame rules will get an initial boost in sales, but down the track, when new players are taking up O&G armies, they won't be buying them, which means the mold won't pay for itself.

Hey, I had fun using eight trolls just last saturday in my GW. I was fighting Ogres, yeah, but I did use Trolls!

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:but as far as cav go, I think boar boys are about as bad as you can get in WHFB, on a par with TK 'heavy' cav and Lizardmen cold one riders (Neither unit I have seen in the last 2 years in any game), due to their insanely high cost to make them decent (full equipmment and big uns, and the animosity rule).

Even then, unless you slap a character (or two) in there they tend to do poorly. Savage Orc Boar Boyz are the only ones who can really hold their own, and even then they have that one-in-six chance of twiddling with their thumbs up their arse when there's a vulnerable unit flank sitting two inches ahead of them. Well, unless you slap a Black Orc in there and want to watch yourself possibly kill some 100+ points of your army each turn.

Both very nice kits. I'll pick them up if 8th edition is any good.

Da trollz looks like...a Trollz yeah! That on with vomit is cool

Holy, the river trolls are amazing. I mean so much more detailed than before, i'd definatly consider having them in my army just cause of the sculpt.

The boar boyz...im not sure how to feel about them. I was never really a fan of them in the first place. The orc models are awesome. The boars, although not what i expected when i heard GW was releasing new orc models (i mean come on, we all knew Boar boyz were gonna be redone) they are WAY better than the current models for them. Those boars have been around since i started collecting warhammer, so what, a decade and a half ago? Any sort of update is good in my opinion. The only thing that would have made them better is if they ALL had the metal plating over their faces. One with the metal plate looks badass.

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:I love 'em!
The pigs look like pigs and the trolls do not resemble mutant otters!
And the vomit is a VERY nice touch!

FOOL! *slaps air*
These pigs are NOT pigs. I see things about the faces that ruin the piggy imagery.
1. Too long
2. Why is there no hair on the face?

Well, to me really they are only boars because they are called boarz, and they have boar bodies. Or maybe this is just me getting annoyed how poorly my favourite animal was represented.

The old river trolls were plenty detailed and quite nice actually.



I never got them as I thought (and still think!) that the Stone Trolls are just better looking...

The biggest thing these new trolls have going for them is that they are plastic!

I am so on those trolls. It's exactly what I need to do my WoC Troll King list.

As tot he boar riders...did they at least make a dual kit for savage orc boar boys? Cause in my opinion, that was what was missing from the OnG line...plastic savages. That would be about the only thing that would entice me to pick up the greenies. Their metals are woefully out of date and one of the few core choices not to have been made plastic yet.

My gut also tells me that OnG are on the short list of army book updates wherein boar boys will get a point drop and possibly a stat boost.

It's the eyes.

They've gone for big highlights around the eye-lids and it makes them look cartoony. I'm sure a decent paint job would make the boar boyz turn out better.

Trolls are sweet.

I like all of these models. I think they're absolutely incredible. Not sure where all the hate is coming from. I'm not seeing much pumba similarities.

I've been considering starting an ork fantasy army. Been waiting for the new edition of WFB to see if they fix the problems. I would love to add these guys to an army I built.

I also agree that the boar boys would make a good start for cyboar models for my 40K Orks.

GG

Nothing can top the Nelson Boar Riders. But these are nice.

Can't stand the Boars. Only thing good about them is the price. I expected +$30

Trolls are good. But I really dislike the 3 for $45 price point GW has created.

If I get them, the vomit is getting magnetized

Oh man....GW just got so much of my money. My orc army has been needing a shot in the arm to get me to break it out again. Can't wait to get my hands on these!

I quite like the boars, not having the Pumbagor eyes helps a great deal. Hell, that kit is worth it for the rider bits alone. Those new orc heads/helmets and weapons are fantastic!

That being said, all but one of the pictured boars is making base contact on a single leg. I see a great deal of pinning, fixing, and re-gluing in their future.

I like both the old metal plus these new plastic River Trolls, very characterful.

The Ork riders are okay, the boars another proof that GW can't really sculpt animals except horses. But there is always Gamezone

skrulnik wrote:If I get them, the vomit is getting magnetized

Magnetized vomit? Somehow that doesn't sound right

Tim the Biovore wrote:
FOOL! *slaps air*
These pigs are NOT pigs. I see things about the faces that ruin the piggy imagery.
1. Too long
2. Why is there no hair on the face?

Well, to me really they are only boars because they are called boarz, and they have boar bodies. Or maybe this is just me getting annoyed how poorly my favourite animal was represented.

They are wild boars not domesticated pigs. There are several varieties of boar that have very long snouts.

While I like the naked faces they are a little off putting. I think once you make them appropriately fur-colored they'll be less jarring.






Among the pics of singles they have one with a light brown snout. Looks much nicer to me.

Boars look good and even better yet come with normal Orc riders and not savage orcs. Will get four boxes at least.

For some reason the boars remind me of ALF...must be the eyes...

I'm digging both. I like the direction that O&G is going.

Not a fan of either. I also think that the vomiting is one detail too far. The more cartoony direction GW is taking is still leaving me unconvinced.

frekin sweet, looks like WAAAAGH Skarsnik is going to be getting some more love from me this summer

Malika2 wrote:For some reason the boars remind me of ALF...must be the eyes...

Oh yeah... Oh God...

The boar's noses are incredibly phallic. I otherwise like all the models though.

Looking very cool, I really like how the new river trolls look.

I wonder where I can put twin-linked big shootas on those models.

I think they both look great. The boars have great energy, almost as if they're just as eager as da boyz to get stuck in. The trolls, simply, are outstanding.

That vomiting troll is BEGGING to be a Nurgle daemon conversion...

Thank you terrainguy for those links. That seems to have calmed the seas of "they don't look like pigs"

My opinion? Both of the new sets look amazingly fantastic. I'll be doing O&G for sure.

The trolls are hilariosly round,

Im loving the new boar poses also im surprised thatb they're only £15, just shows how muuch cheaper whfb is compared to 40k!!

The trolls, boars, and boyz riding them are fantastically sculpted. Active, dynamic, and with a boatload of character and style. At first I was lamenting the fact that the old river troll metals were no longer available on the site (as they are still nice), but these new plastics made me forget about the metals faster than I forget about the ex-wife.

The boars have the same issue that the minotaur plastics have - a somewhat questionable studio paint scheme. The minotaur plastics are pretty decent when seen unpainted, and when painted as not to emphasize their initially balloonish-appearing muscle masses, as the studio paint scheme for them had done, they look pretty damned good.

The trolls certainly didn't get tarred with that brush though - they look stellar! I'm starting a small O and G fantasy army soon, and both of these plastic sets are making a welcomed appearance.

Did Brian Nelson sculpt there? I think perhaps...

Bravo. Bravo on all counts.

Those trolls are awesome, a very nice upgrade to a very old model... lots of nostalgia for me there.

Boarboyz, excellent except for the sadly expected questionable head sculpts, that being said, very easily solved with a little gs fur or plasticard head armor, all is not lost.

I am also sure a diff paintjob may have suited them better, darker, black faces calling less attenttion to the baldness and proportions.

Still, overall win in my book. I am curious though, is this it for the orcs and goblins release? Seems a bit underwhelming for the entire may release...

I find that the boars are a huge upgrade over the previously available boars. The Orcs look fantastic. Honestly, I don't really like the trolls much. They look more fat than menacing.

I agree with majortom. If this is the big ballyhooed Orcs and Goblins release, I am very dissapointed. I have been holding off on buying more minis until the release. I didn't want to buy trolls or even boar boyz. If this is it, I will be very sad.

Dang Red, you've been sitting on pics of these for ages. I remember when you first dropped hints of vomiting trolls months ago! You're a man that knows more than you're telling us.

Scottywan82 wrote:I expected them to look at least as good as the old boar models. They did not pass.

I actually like them Scott. They're plastic, which tempts me to finally start a Feral Orks army.

The old ones were (A) metal, and (B) too stunty for me.

The old boars weren't metal. They were plastic and had no variable, but I liked the shape a lot better.

Am I the only one surprised at how cheap the boar boyz are o_O? I did not expect them to be that cheap.

Both look great and I'm now sorely tempted to create some feral ork cyboars...

I'm actually happy with both of these. Those actually do look like boars. They have the typical GW/cartoon "feel" but they retain enough actual boar characteristics that it's believable yet consistent with the setting. The trolls are just very nice sculpts and much better than the old metal river trolls.

Not a huge fan of the boars but they don't look THAT bad...

The river trolls, on the other hand, look amazing!! I'm quite impressed by them.

those trolls are pure win.

Better paintjob on the boars will fix the problems. I like them. (I've always hated the old boars, and the metal hybrids were a pain).
I'll probably buy a couple of boxes, when I'm not broke.
Like the trolls too, of course- lovely looking aquatic beasties.
Fantasy has always been kind of cartoony, I don't mind the style of these minis.
Fingers cross for a new O&G book sometime soonish.

Put an old Playskool piggy next to one of those.

Now, honestly tell me they arent an improvement.

And the trolls look like fat fish people. But might have some cool conversion potential.

Farmer wrote:Trolls are great , but those boars are still terrible, as bad as space marines riding a dire wolf.

Someone needs to do an army of pig riding space marines...

The old river trolls were plenty detailed and quite nice actually.

I never got them as I thought (and still think!) that the Stone Trolls are just better looking...

The biggest thing these new trolls have going for them is that they are plastic!

I agree the old trolls were pretty cool. The stone trolls were always my favorites as well, they look so menacing. I dont know why the old river trolls didn't catch my attention as much. I think for me, i always found they reminded me of a fat hula man with bad teeth.

For some reason the boars remind me of ALF...must be the eyes...

"Hey Kate, where do you keep your casserole dish?"
"....Why?"
"The cat won't fit in the toaster!"

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:The boar's noses are incredibly phallic. .

You may want to see a doctor if those look anything like your junk........

I am fairly positive that the trolls were sculpted by Seb Perbet. Who IMO was the best investment GW could make for hiring and training as a new sculptor...his Skaven are brilliant, and I see the same design style in these trolls.

I saw an earlier comment that i am also echoeing....MUST DO THROGG TROLL KING ARMY!

I like em all. Hoping they will have additional armor for the boars on the sprue but will make it myself if not.

I couldn't disagree more with what was said about making sure to release good (read: powerful) rules for new models; if I want to paint up a cool O&G army and play it for fun, then more power to me. Not everyone subscribes to power-gaming with the top-tier armies.

- Blackbone

They are all nice can't wait ti buy 15 boar boyz and 6 trolls )...
alsow I miss old stone trolls but I think new one are even better
and boars amazing...miniatures are so funier ))

The boar boys are a Meh.. not that much of an improvement from the last sculpt. Being plastic the do have an adnvantage of not breaking so easly (I am always gluing a boar boy).


Those Trolls however are Amazing.

brettz123 wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:The boar's noses are incredibly phallic. .

You may want to see a doctor if those look anything like your junk........

If someone got happy with a cleaver that's exactly what it would look like

The Boars are OK.
The Boar Boyz are the current style of Orky coolness.
The Trolls are 100% condensed awesome.

I like the boars and the river trolls, but will not be buying just cuz this is a lame update for the army.

I love that we have more choices. Great ideas and great results on the figure. I am happy to see something better done with green stuff, but I don't have that kind of time, so I will be buying them. I think the boars are great, they really gross me out. They love like cows gone terribly wrong.

The new models look great.

If you don't like the way they look, learn to scuplt.

templeorks wrote:I like the boars and the river trolls, but will not be buying just cuz this is a lame update for the army.

"Update" implies that this was meant to be some kind of huge hooplah for the Orcs and Goblins.

It's not. They revised some models from metal to plastic.

The boars look exactly like I would hope, wild pigs. The boyz look like they are having a grand time getting into some fights and riding something that smells as bad as them. The trolls look just incredible, definitely a step up from their predecessors.

The river trolls look great. yes. But i think they are bit too much on the cartoony side. big hands, face expressions. and shape of faces. Does anybody else think they are a bit too cartoony??

edit: i think they are done by thee guy who did the minatours.

Those Boar Boyz look like they might from the same hand that did the Minotaurs. I think the sculptor is trying to make it clear that Boars look a bit like pigs.

Trolls though are fantastic. GWs plastic boxed set of the year so far IMO.

Clay Williams wrote:The new models look great.

If you don't like the way they look, learn to scuplt.

If you don't like things others produce, learn to produce it for yourself. Right, what a rational argument in a free-market system.

5 Chaos trolls = £60

3 plastic river trolls +2 chaos spawn, all mingled in together= £45

Throgg monster army here i come

Warboss Narznok wrote:The river trolls look great. yes. But i think they are bit too much on the cartoony side. big hands, face expressions. and shape of faces. Does anybody else think they are a bit too cartoony??

You've seen the old ones, right?

The Power Cosmic wrote:

Warboss Narznok wrote:The river trolls look great. yes. But i think they are bit too much on the cartoony side. big hands, face expressions. and shape of faces. Does anybody else think they are a bit too cartoony??

You've seen the old ones, right?

yes they were terrible. but even these ones are still cartoony. they look good. but look at the size of those hands!!!

Warboss Narznok wrote:

The Power Cosmic wrote:

Warboss Narznok wrote:The river trolls look great. yes. But i think they are bit too much on the cartoony side. big hands, face expressions. and shape of faces. Does anybody else think they are a bit too cartoony??

You've seen the old ones, right?

yes they were terrible. but even these ones are still cartoony. they look good. but look at the size of those hands!!!

Okay, as long as you weren't thinking the old ones were less cartoony.

I will approve of the trolls when Gwar changes his avatar to one of them.

Love the trolls but I might use some green stuff on the boar heads to beef them out a bit .

I personally like the Pumba on steroids look :L

I do like the troll's very nice if not a bit on the short side with bigger than average hands. (not that the last sculpts didn't have huge hands either)

Boar boy riders look pretty good. Could've done without the Boar's. As another person I know pointed out they look kind of like Alf.

Damned, ninja'd
"Where is the cat? Where is the cat?"
Actually, on second looks, I think that they can be painted to look decent and like wild boars, starting with a correct hide colour (they are called "Schwarzwild"= "black beasts" in German for a reason) and a hairy head. And the price is one good reason to chose these over the better sculpted metal Gamezone boar riders (although I would chose Gamezone )

I really like the trolls, anyone else think they look like chubby Gremlins?

40k Snakebite Clan orks could have 'cyborked' trolls with killa-kan bitz...

Hmmm...

Totally gonna jump on the troll-lovin bandwagon here... I like the middle one so much I think I am going to try to make a daemon prince out of him, if they are big enough!

If not I guess I'll just buy one to stockpile along side all the other wonderful stuff I'll never have time to paint...

Are these 2 the only Orc release ? or will there be more following close?

I agree, seems odd... every month has it's theme usually right? 2 ork kits seems a bit dry for the entire month.

Unless they plan to unleash the awesome with a shocking DE June launch.

There's a load of LOTR stuff out in the same month as the O&Gs

Do you think the sitting troll could make a good plastic slann conversion? I have a metal one but I would prefer to make my army all plastic even if it costs more then the metal one

Chimera_Calvin wrote:I'm going to find the sculptors responsible for the pumbagor and now these pumboarboyz and beat them to death with a special edition dvd of the Lion King.

I mean, come on, we're not living in the 80's comedy-model age any more...

On the upside the trolls look pretty sweet (if a bit fat). I'd have preferred stone trolls, mind, but that's just personal preference.

Amen.....

Pumba boars or not, I think they are great models and a ginormous update from previous ones...

The trolls on the other hand.... well.... bloody awsome! Those models alone are enough to make me start my OnG up again... I wonder if they will release stone strolls too.

Clay Williams wrote:The new models look great.

If you don't like the way they look, learn to scuplt.

"How dare you dislike that movie. If you don't like a movie, learn to produce."

That's how dumb you sound. Sorry, but sweeping generalizations bug me a lot.

The boars are kinda bad. The trolls are super good. The riders are good.

Didn't read the rest of the thread... how many people are planning to use the boars for TWC?

Oh man, those new boars are so cool they're bringing me out of lurk mode!

I think the faces will look better when painted the same color as the rest of the boar, but I think they look GREAT. Very obviously based off of real boars, but with a stylized, cartoonish look that is still mean and fits well with the orks.

I'm sure it's already been thought of by a bout a dozen people, but I'm going to add a harnness with big shootas, rokkit engines, and bionics and make flying pig "bikers" for 40k.

I like the trolls as well -the same cartoonish yet mean style, but they don't excite me nearly as much as the boar boyz - the dynamic posing is just great.

With some (ok a lot) of elbow grease, the Troll holding his axe up could be converted into one kick ass Ork Warboss, I might just make arrangements for one of these, if it turns as I imagine it will probably go to my shelf of fame (only 3 models there right now).

MajorTom11 wrote:I agree, seems odd... every month has it's theme usually right? 2 ork kits seems a bit dry for the entire month.

Unless they plan to unleash the awesome with a shocking DE June launch.

shanewils wrote:There's a load of LOTR stuff out in the same month as the O&Gs

Lord of the who gives a crap... grumble grumble.... me wants warhammer teasers, either flavor....

*lotr is imo only lol before someone busts a head vein

The next question is will the boars be on a seperate sprue, and will that sprue be put in with the orc hariot.

I suspect with the bizzaro world stupidity of the studio, the answer will be no.

i guess ill buy these, as cyboars so i wont have to pay 50$ for three

lil bit of converting and tada! money saving accomplished! (hooray!)

anyone also think the trolls look like great unclean ones too?

Lovin' the plastic Trolls.

As I've never liked the metal Chaos Trolls I'll pick up a box of these and get the half-ton of leftover Spawn bitz ready...

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:The next question is will the boars be on a seperate sprue, and will that sprue be put in with the orc hariot.

I suspect with the bizzaro world stupidity of the studio, the answer will be no.

The sprues are up already at the GW site, and you're right, the answer is no.

The boar legs and all the Orc bits are on one sprue, with the heads and bodies separated from them. The clever thing to do would have been to have two boar sprues and cram the riders/weapons onto a single sprue, or, at least, have a boar-only sprue, a boar & weapons sprue and then a rider sprue, that way 'boar + weapons' becomes a generic Orc weapon sprue that can be in the Chariot and the Boar Boyz boxes.

But no. That'd be logical.

Or they could just be waiting to redo the Boar Chariot.

Crazy, right?

Boar chariot: is that on the cards? I thought only Trolls and Boar Boys were getting new models.

I do like those trolls, But I hope there'll be some more bits in the box.
It'd be a shame if such excellent plastic kits are let down by a lack of posing, customisation.

Was I the only one that looked at the River Trolls and thought.... Nurgle Princes?

Hmm the river troll would be one of the best monster kits GW produced , not to mention its in plastic. From what i can see , i give it 9/10

The boar boys... not too sure , the boars look rather tame. But the sculpts are alright with decent pose. 7/10 though price is fair.
The rider... very dissapointed. Their shoulder are all shriveled up , they lack the usual Orc recklessness. 5/10

It figures... the first troll models I would consider buying, right on the heels of an update that takes them out of my Beastmen army.

Trolls do look brilliant, very nice concepts. Hands are a bit way to big but a bit of GS can fix that... again great models and I take my hat off to GW by not holding back in experimenting new concepts.

I wish I could think of a way to working the troll models into a 40k Ork army. I really love the sculpts but not sure how to stretch the fluff that far. I could see Tau auxiliaries, but then they'd be, you know... Tau.

Marushi wrote:Was I the only one that looked at the River Trolls and thought.... Nurgle Princes?

Plague Ogryns?

Ouze wrote:I wish I could think of a way to working the troll models into a 40k Ork army. I really love the sculpts but not sure how to stretch the fluff that far. I could see Tau auxiliaries, but then they'd be, you know... Tau.

One could always be used as a warboss.

Those trolls, I'm sure they can be squeezed into Dark Heresy or Rogue Trader somehow as suitable mutant bruisers or warped aliens.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:The next question is will the boars be on a seperate sprue, and will that sprue be put in with the orc hariot.

I suspect with the bizzaro world stupidity of the studio, the answer will be no.

The sprues are up already at the GW site, and you're right, the answer is no.

The boar legs and all the Orc bits are on one sprue, with the heads and bodies separated from them. The clever thing to do would have been to have two boar sprues and cram the riders/weapons onto a single sprue, or, at least, have a boar-only sprue, a boar & weapons sprue and then a rider sprue, that way 'boar + weapons' becomes a generic Orc weapon sprue that can be in the Chariot and the Boar Boyz boxes.

But no. That'd be logical.

Of course by doing it this way, they can get you to buy both the plastic chariot, a new Boar boys box, and convert them yourself. Got to be a win win to suits at GW.


Oh and I'm at the Meh to facepalm stage for the Boars, but I am getting the Trolls. Not even sure why, just love the look. I might save them in the forlorn hope Warhammer Quest does one day come back as a special release.

those trolls will make great conversion bait for nurgle obliterators and such. i might buy a GW kit in 2010 yet.

Nothing says Beasts of Nurgle quite like those Beasts of Nurgle, ahem...trolls Oh well, my imagination ran a bit wild . Now if only I could find a way to covert those Boar Boys. Beastmen riding Boars = Flesh Hounds... Slinks quitely away to the computer. Oh wait I'm already there! Two embarrsing moments in a single post, whatever next .

I dig both kits. Trolls will have a ton of conversion opportunities. May use the boars from the Orc kit for a few of my beastmen chariots that aren't built yet.

Wait the trolls are plastic?!?!??!?!
AWESOME

ph34r wrote:

Clay Williams wrote:The new models look great.

If you don't like the way they look, learn to scuplt.

"How dare you dislike that movie. If you don't like a movie, learn to produce."

That's how dumb you sound. Sorry, but sweeping generalizations bug me a lot.

The boars are kinda bad. The trolls are super good. The riders are good.

I still agree, if you don't like how someone did a particular movie then put up or shut up. Opinions are like what?

BTW directing would give you more creative input on a movie. Produces provide money so get to have their say but usually let the directors do their thing.

It also bugs me that people say "those look bad" ... that isn't even a half assed critique. If you say "I don't like that" in any media class or critique then you sir are the one that looks like an idiot.

Clay Williams wrote:

ph34r wrote:

Clay Williams wrote:The new models look great.

If you don't like the way they look, learn to scuplt.

"How dare you dislike that movie. If you don't like a movie, learn to produce."

That's how dumb you sound. Sorry, but sweeping generalizations bug me a lot.

The boars are kinda bad. The trolls are super good. The riders are good.

I still agree, if you don't like how someone did a particular movie then put up or shut up. Opinions are like what?

BTW directing would give you more creative input on a movie. Produces provide money so get to have their say but usually let the directors do their thing.

It also bugs me that people say "those look bad" ... that isn't even a half assed critique. If you say "I don't like that" in any media class or critique then you sir are the one that looks like an idiot.

Opinions would be the thing that puts (or does not put) money in the bank mate. If enough people say 'I don't like the way the boars look' then less models get sold.

The idea that you have to be a sculptor to critique a miniature is idle tosh. The people correctly fit to critique the miniatures are the ones assembled around you, the potential customers.

I don't have to be an automotive engineer to decide if I do or don't like a car, I just have to be a potential driver.


These items are not stand alone pieces of art, nor someone's personal project. They are commercially offered as a product and as such, anyone and EVERYONE gets a say on what they think about them on hobby-centric forums like this one.

You are saying you like every single miniature produced by GW clay william?

I find that hard to believe

Finally some new stuff from Brian Nelson!

Nope not saying I like every model from GW. I am saying that if I don't like a model from GW I either convert/GS one I do like.

I rarely take the effort to get on a board to just say "I don't like that". If I don't like something then I will explain why I don't instead of adding useless lines to an already cluttered post. Maybe I am just fed up with forums and having to sift through tons of useless information to get to the good stuff.

If you don't like the threads, learn to search.

(Sorry, had to say it)


@Anung, Plague Ogryns? Sounds beyond epic!

Having had a good think about it, they could fit into most Nurgle themed armies quite easily. Beasts of Nurgle too, although the unit is pants, great for fluffy armies. Now... just need to find plastic Fiend stand ins....

People are entitled to opinions. If you don't like something, you are allowed to say so. If everyone that didn't like a model said nothing about it, the response on the internet would always be unanimously good, no matter how terrible the model was. Would that be better, or worse? Think about it. How terrible would it be if every person thought "I don't like that, so I will say nothing about it."

ph34r wrote:People are entitled to opinions. If you don't like something, you are allowed to say so. If everyone that didn't like a model said nothing about it, the response on the internet would always be unanimously good, no matter how terrible the model was. Would that be better, or worse? Think about it. How terrible would it be if every person thought "I don't like that, so I will say nothing about it."

It would make the interwebs creepily silent if we couldn't complain. What would we use the internet for?

The trolls seem good for converting to nurgle deamons.

Scottywan82 wrote:

ph34r wrote:People are entitled to opinions. If you don't like something, you are allowed to say so. If everyone that didn't like a model said nothing about it, the response on the internet would always be unanimously good, no matter how terrible the model was. Would that be better, or worse? Think about it. How terrible would it be if every person thought "I don't like that, so I will say nothing about it."

It would make the interwebs creepily silent if we couldn't complain. What would we use the internet for?

Besides teaching us to type with one hand?

vitki wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

ph34r wrote:People are entitled to opinions. If you don't like something, you are allowed to say so. If everyone that didn't like a model said nothing about it, the response on the internet would always be unanimously good, no matter how terrible the model was. Would that be better, or worse? Think about it. How terrible would it be if every person thought "I don't like that, so I will say nothing about it."

It would make the interwebs creepily silent if we couldn't complain. What would we use the internet for?

Besides teaching us to type with one hand?

I type with my feet. It's a two handed job.


Playing my 360 while I forum post, I mean.

Marushi wrote:@Anung, Plague Ogryns? Sounds beyond epic!

Having had a good think about it, they could fit into most Nurgle themed armies quite easily. Beasts of Nurgle too, although the unit is pants, great for fluffy armies. Now... just need to find plastic Fiend stand ins....

It's a Forge World unit, you can find it in Imperial Armor Apocalypse or in one of the Vraks books.

trolls A+
boars B

what is the troll on the far right holding? it looks like a fish but the head looks like it has a horses bridal on it?

im in the minority apparently but i think the new boars are cool. they are definitely more pigish imo.

usernamesareannoying wrote:
what is the troll on the far right holding? it looks like a fish but the head looks like it has a horses bridal on it?

The "bridal" is seaweed. Follow it up the arm then compare to the seaweed on the others.

Looked at and re-looked at the new Boar Boys - still think they're fantastic. Possibly a bit senseless complaining about the cartoonish nature of the sculpt - O & G are GW's cartoonish army.

Just seen the new wd and the new o&g models.The boar boys look awesome as do the trolls which i will be converting into nurgle heralds for my daemon army.I however am slightly dissappointed in one thing,the hype which was created for this release by gw keeping it a secret etc is slightly let down by the face that they only released 2 kits.why only 2?other armies normally get more but the orcs and gobbos only got 2.

Scottywan82 wrote:

It would make the interwebs creepily silent if we couldn't complain. What would we use the internet for?

Pirating music and Porn?

CT GAMER wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:

It would make the interwebs creepily silent if we couldn't complain. What would we use the internet for?

Pirating music and Porn?

*Sings*
The Internet is for Porn, the internet is for Porn
Just grab your D*ck and double Click for Porn Porn Porn.

I just saw the new figures... plastic swamp trolls!!!!! The boar boyz look pretty cool too... but plastic kit trolls!!!

Daemon Dave wrote:the hype which was created for this release by gw keeping it a secret etc is slightly let down by the face that they only released 2 kits.why only 2?other armies normally get more but the orcs and gobbos only got 2.

This Orc release does not compare to recent releases (BA, Beastmen, Skaven, SW etc) because it is not an army release per se. It's more of a "second wave" or "because we can" release, similar to Empire wave last from summer or Janu-Waaaghry 2009 releases for 40k Orks. I am quite sure Orcs will get a proper release (including a new army book) in the next year or two.

Was checking out the Boar boyz in WD today and they have grown on me. Much like the minotaurs, the paint scheme lets them down. Unlike the minotaurs, I think they could be made to look a lot better by painting the heads a darker brown.

I can see a unit of Nobs on Cyboars for my Speed Freaks in the near future