We're just waiting on the Beasts of War guys to do a feature with all the sprues we fired off to them!
Here's what the sprue mix looks like:
3 Bodies
14 Heads (3 that can outfit all bodies - i.e. all the same for a uniform look and 3 special heads)
A collection of extras: ammo packs, canteens, knives, holster, etc. to add onto the bodies
3 "holding weapon" left arms
1 pointing left arm
1 pistol right arm
1 grenade launcher right arm
1 flamer right arm
3 standard rifle arms (2 positions - holding/firing) - so every figure can be a standard rifleman
3 alternate rifles/laser arms (3 unique designs to mix them up)
Well, the weapon grips are certainly unique, unique for uniques sake I wonder? they certainly don't look very pleasing or practical but the rest of the minis look okay.
The detail has definitely improved on those guys. And the grenade launcher has transformed from a rather awkward gun-thing to an actual weapon. Schepphimself is pleased.
I don't know how I missed the weird-ass handles on those guys up till now, doesn't look very practical.
I'm probably not going to order some unless they get cheaper. (Yes, I know they are cheap but they have their downsides too)
I'm quite sure I will buy a single box to see what it's like. If I like it a lot, I will gather my friends and split the large deal. 126 of the same three models is a lot (588 heads!).
I'm really looking forward to the followup product to this. I notice on your forums that there is talk of a heavy and/or command sprue coming up.
Good luck and hope that Beasts of War makes your product look good. I don't understand why you're with them.
The Shock Troops (Greatcoats) are a real experiment for us at Wargames Factory as they are our first foray into true SF (Zombies were more horror/modern-looking)
We don't know how it's going to go - but if the posts, emails, and retail requests are anything to go by this should be a good set for us!
If that's the case, we'll follow up with another sprue with heavy weapons teams and more command options. We'll let everyone give their input in our forums on what those should look like....but if the response is good it won't take us very long to get them put together so you can build more complete armies with these figures.
Give us some high resolution pictures of the full sprues ASAP please.
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Get at review done by someone else because I can't stand how humthe humbeast of humwar guy says "hum" all the humtime.
Considering the 'coincidental' compatibility of these models and GW models, maybe BOLS will put up a review once it comes out. I actually like them considering they're straight-to-the-point and the video reviews focus on the sprue itself rather than the person doing the review.
Word to some complete photos. Looking forward to seeing them in-the-sprue!
WargamesFactory, any ballpark estimate of when command and heavies would come out? Or which would be first? Just curious... they've been worth the wait so far.
I like the heads and the bodies on these well enough, and the price is good. However, I have to say, I don't like the weird grips on the weapons at all. I appreciate that they are unique...but I just don't like them. If I bought these, I would have to swap the weapons out for something else.
Is there any chance of additional weapon sprues with different weapons and grips?
Hordini wrote:I like the heads and the bodies on these well enough, and the price is good. However, I have to say, I don't like the weird grips on the weapons at all. I appreciate that they are unique...but I just don't like them. If I bought these, I would have to swap the weapons out for something else.
Is there any chance of additional weapon sprues with different weapons and grips?
+1
As I said earlier the weapons on these guys, along with the Vader welder mask hybrid is a deal breaker for me. Yes I can swap the weapons out for something better, but whats the point of getting cheap models that have less detail if I end up haveing to replace the heads/weapons and spend as much as the nicer models with more detail?
Dead_Kennedy wrote:Word to some complete photos. Looking forward to seeing them in-the-sprue!
WargamesFactory, any ballpark estimate of when command and heavies would come out? Or which would be first? Just curious... they've been worth the wait so far.
Hi DK - it really depends on how they do. If they suddenly go like gangbusters - we'll drop everything and push out the next sprue ASAP. I have a feeling we're going to be doing that! ;-)
The great thing is that with the all-digital sculpting/tooling that we do - we can go from sculpt to plastic in a couple weeks if we completely focus...so it could be VERY quick.
Thanks!
Tony
Automatically Appended Next Post: Re: grip on the grenade launcher and flame thrower (only two weapons with that grip) - we were going for THIS vibe:
Impressed...your figure quality keeps getting better...my son is hooked on your ancients (romans, celts, saxons, germans and vikings)....and I indulged in a few boxes of zombies for my Nurgle horde.
My 0.02 is please make additional weapon sprues
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WargamesFactory wrote:
Automatically Appended Next Post: Re: grip on the grenade launcher and flame thrower (only two weapons with that grip) - we were going for THIS vibe:
Does this mean fatigue shock troopers are next? Ranger/LRRP looking guys with high tech weapons?
MeanGreenStompa wrote:JP, each sprue has 14 heads to each 3 bodies.
You won't be confined to the vader welding mask.
Unless it's 14 Vader welding masks variants
There are 3 head variants that allow you to outfit all figures in the same head - and then there are a few unique heads to make a leader, a bare-headed warrior, etc. We have a "fun" one on there too that I think people will get a kick out of.
I assembled one figure with the squad-leader head, a left arm pointing (i.e. directing fire), and the right arm casually holding the huge grenade launcher. He looks pretty good sitting here on my desk. Hope you guys are as jazzed about them as we are!
Let us know what else you want to see if you like these too!
I feel dirty all of the sudden. I have already contacted my LGS and order 3 total boxes. They are going direct thru WF so I can get my new toys faster.
These turned out quite good. Still not entirely sold on the bottom of the jackets... it just doesn't seem to drape quite right. But they'll probably look fine painted and massed up on the table.
Well, these will have to do, since it's doubtful any other company's going to be catering to that exact design spec. I'm not a fan of the special weapons, the reverse handle looks off to me.
Just sent off a pre-order request to my FLGS. They go through a distributor, so I'll probably have to wait til sometime in May, but it's worth it. I've got more than enough IG lasguns to arm 40 or so of these guys.
My conundrum is the heads. I don't dislike their designs, but none of the 3 main varieties really grab me. I'll probably go with PigIron heads, the only question is which ones....
I especially love the "Vaderless" Gas-Mask helmets. With a bit of really simply Greenstuff work, this would make a very cheap and very quick AdMech Skitarii.
Well I guess that somebody will want them for renegade guard but I find myself quite disliking all the heads other than the Stahlhelm equipped ones and the pistol looks like something out of Star Trek.
Eventually I will get some sprues to have additional great coats in my IG. Now we´ll have to see if these models prove popular enough that the HQ/HW kits come to be.
So I was rather excited for these, but the end product is just disapointing. Wargames Factory needs to concentrate on finishing their lines they have now and not extending new ones. So many company do this and their products flop because of it.
I like em, mostly... but the coats kind of look like dresses. Maybe it's just the pictures. I'd like to see some of these Killzone... er... Greatcoat models painted up
Empchild wrote:So I was rather excited for these, but the end product is just disapointing. Wargames Factory needs to concentrate on finishing their lines they have now and not extending new ones. So many company do this and their products flop because of it.
Gotta disagree, mostly because Vikings, Ancient Germans, Romans, Celts etc don't interest me at all.
Empchild wrote:So I was rather excited for these, but the end product is just disapointing. Wargames Factory needs to concentrate on finishing their lines they have now and not extending new ones. So many company do this and their products flop because of it.
Gotta disagree, mostly because Vikings, Ancient Germans, Romans, Celts etc don't interest me at all.
Its not the theme that disapoints me but rather the quality. A shame really. I look a these heads and dont like even just one of those... the regular weapons design is errr ugly and the coats are not that great.
Empchild wrote:So I was rather excited for these, but the end product is just disapointing. Wargames Factory needs to concentrate on finishing their lines they have now and not extending new ones. So many company do this and their products flop because of it.
Gotta disagree, mostly because Vikings, Ancient Germans, Romans, Celts etc don't interest me at all.
Its not the theme that disapoints me but rather the quality. A shame really. I look a these heads and dont like even just one of those... the regular weapons design is errr ugly and the coats are not that great.
I concur with you on that one navarro.
@kid_kyoto: I understand they don't intrest you and thats fine and all, but when you create a line you kinda have to work on it till completion. It would be like GW just creating a box of space marines and stopping their. Not to mention the sculptor is rather bad that they use. He uses that machine instead of by hand, and the hands and faces are horrendous when painted. Lacking true definition.
After seeing some of the initial previews I was kind of underwhelmed. I figured I would just pick up a few for bits and what not but that would be it. I just finished watching the BOW video review and now think that they look much better when assembled. Size wise thay match up to the cadians pretty closely which is a definant plus. I can see lots of possibilites from them modelling side now and the price is right. This will make it much easier on the converting side. After seeing the finished product and some assembled models in the video Ill more than likely end up getting enough to do a platoon or so. Id get more but nowadys I usually only play smaller skirmish games.
I think the most conclusive part of the Beasts of War review was "for the price of 20 DKoK, you can get 120 of these guys".
It means I can buy an entire army at a single sitting. The detail is good enough. With a reasonably simple painting scheme, these will look good.
I like the basic weapon, I like the standard helm and the bare head with gasmask, the 'welding mask' will make a good alternative for the flamer dudes. The pistol is a fail but incredibly easy to replace.
With the money I save on buying these guys, I may treat myself to some forgeworld tanks.
You're comparing McDo to Haute Cuisine francaise.
I'd much rather get some really nice detailed forge world miniatures than some heaps of cheap looking wargames factory miniatures, the only thing I like about them is the coat. Might end up getting some just for those because they are cheap and put some forge world renegade arms on them and some head bits from maxmini. But I can see why people would buy them, but I expect them to be seen with pig iron heads a lot due to the ugly heads that you get with them.
In the end, you get what you pay for but I still think they are subpar, just look at what Mantic Games does and their prices...
And if my point ever was to make an army on the cheap that would be one of the companies i'd look at.
Couldn't watch it till the end, these guys really annoy me (especially the one on the left, always hesitating).
They always say good things about the products they review, never stating any cons. I think they are bit too excited about almost everything they review.
Back on topic, the cthulhu head is the only one I like on the sprue, shame there is only one per sprue.
poipo32 wrote:Couldn't watch it till the end, these guys really annoy me (especially the one on the left, always hesitating).
They always say good things about the products they review, never stating any cons. I think they are bit too excited about almost everything they review.
Back on topic, the cthulhu head is the only one I like on the sprue, shame there is only one per sprue.
Aww cut them some slacks xD
I have a theory to why they are hesitating , They of course are been filmed by a camera , i suspect their view screen is on the left ( where the guy on the left cannot see ,
but the guy on the right can )
So im suspecting he is hesitating because he needs to confirm the way he place the minis , show the mini is in the correct spot and angle.
The camera man is probably telling him , and he adjust accordingly.
Now that I see the actual sprue pics, I am still disappointed. The armor still doesn't make sense, the shoulder pads still don't mesh well, the heads are still sub par, and the special guns all look awful. I like the basic gun though. The coats are pretty okay but the physics of them is bad.
ph34r wrote:The coats are pretty okay but the physics of them is bad.
You mean the way they "poof" is as if they are made out of plastic bags? xD
That, and the fact that when they are running and the coat is flowing back, the bottom hem of the coat is parallel to the ground somehow instead of curving.
poipo32 wrote:Couldn't watch it till the end, these guys really annoy me (especially the one on the left, always hesitating).
They always say good things about the products they review, never stating any cons. I think they are bit too excited about almost everything they review.
Back on topic, the cthulhu head is the only one I like on the sprue, shame there is only one per sprue.
Aww cut them some slacks xD
I have a theory to why they are hesitating , They of course are been filmed by a camera , i suspect their view screen is on the left ( where the guy on the left cannot see ,
but the guy on the right can )
So im suspecting he is hesitating because he needs to confirm the way he place the minis , show the mini is in the correct spot and angle.
The camera man is probably telling him , and he adjust accordingly.
He seems to say "hum" a bit (a lot).
That's what annoys me the most, if you're not good for live or one shot recording, learn a text.
I'm inclined to agree with the majority. These are not good enough, and it'd take a lot of work to make them display-quality. Also, it appears that the parts don't go together that well (in the video, observe the left arm placement with the grenade launcher, the parts simply cannot fit in any reasonable arrangement).
Empchild wrote:@kid_kyoto: I understand they don't intrest you and thats fine and all, but when you create a line you kinda have to work on it till completion.
I don't think brand loyalty and complete product lines are nearly as important for historical wargames than they are for us. Since WGF does not have an inhouse rules system for their Vikings or Romans, there's no need to try to establish a cohesive WGF Historicals brand. I mean, by the nature of their hobby, historicals players are far more at home with the idea of shopping around for miniatures that fit a particular scenario and rules system.
I personally like them, I think they will make great kilzone proxies. If they are not you thing thats fair enough dont buy them, im sure plenty of people will.
poipo32 wrote:You're comparing McDo to Haute Cuisine francaise.
I'd much rather get some really nice detailed forge world miniatures than some heaps of cheap looking wargames factory miniatures, the only thing I like about them is the coat. Might end up getting some just for those because they are cheap and put some forge world renegade arms on them and some head bits from maxmini. But I can see why people would buy them, but I expect them to be seen with pig iron heads a lot due to the ugly heads that you get with them.
In the end, you get what you pay for but I still think they are subpar, just look at what Mantic Games does and their prices...
And if my point ever was to make an army on the cheap that would be one of the companies i'd look at.
Firstly, depends on your income. The price of the greatcoats means I can build an army of them on the 'luxuries' budget of my salary without breaking a sweat, for 1 month. Done. That's fairly impressive IMO.
Second, the level of detail some of the people here are discussing, in regards the masks and coat physics etc are certainly valid points but hardly fair. GW doesn't even apply that level of detail to their highly expensive models. Please go take a look at Vulcan H'Estan (sp) to see half the fabrics travelling in one direction and half in the other. Please also go check on the physical design of the rank and file catachans, grotesquely out of proportion. The greatcoat guards we see here could have more detail, but frankly they are 'middle of the line' on the GW detailing 'swingometer'. In comparison, given GWs technical and experience advantages, I consider these minis a success and the beginning of other ranges and choices. The competition will also answer this and the market will prosper and the customer benefit. The more competition GW gets, the happier I'll be. GW claim to make the best toy soldiers in the world, let the market decide if it agrees, once we have solid competition across the price and detail spectrum.
Thirdly, good luck to mantic, I like what they are selling and as detailed above, it's healthy for the market. But... Mantic's minis are smaller than GW ones and single pose cast in many cases. So the degree of individuality is greatly reduced. They are also, more importantly, not making greatcoat sci-fi minis, only WF have had the balls to try it. They are still in the fantasy market, and I wish them every success in that market.
I think however, that any 'brand loyalty' posting aside in this thread (along with dakkadakka's own Eeyore, Agamemnon2 - meant fondly mate), that WF are onto a winner here. Because between price and a reasonable paint job, these are an army waiting to happen.
They're not that bad, really. By some of the comments you guys make it sound as if they promised you the world's greatest miniatures. They're functional, and they're inexpensive.
Do I like them? Not really. I'd like to live in a world were Sci-Fi Greatcoat didn't just automatically equal Space Nazi. I'd prefer they didn't have techno-WWII German Helmets. I'd prefer the guns to look a little more... gun-like. I'd prefer it if the pistol looked more natural.
So they're fine for what they are, especially given that this is a garage company doing multi-part plastic sprues, and painted they can look pretty good (the 3D print Beasts of War did looked good, and that had less detail). I won't be getting any, but to lambast people because they like it? C'mon folks.
Hi Everyone - thanks so much for the feedback on the models and this lively discussion! I love reading what people have to say and we actually listen as a company and strive to incorporate feedback into what we do...that's a big part of our process.
I think most people here know our story - but for those who don't - I'll give a brief recap. When I first started planning Wargames Factory, my goal was to utilize the same technology that Games Workshop was to do plastics. At the time (2007) I thought GW was “all-in” on the digital workflow and had left pantography behind. Little did I know that although they were using SensAble Technologies Freeform digital sculpting software – in many cases they were 3D printing 3-up sized masters and going the traditional route from there (and/or doing additional sculpting directly to the 3-ups). Much to my surprise, we didn’t start off by following along on a previously beaten trail, but had to hack our own way through the digital jungle! We tried working with literally dozens of tooling operations and finally developed a partnership with an incredible Canadian-run company in China. Together, we forged ahead in developing the all-digital process starting with Freeform sculpture and going ianto mold design and then tooling – all digital from the first cut of digital “clay” to the time when the teeny-tiny drill bit starts cutting into the metal of the injection tool insert. To say it’s been a learning process is an understatement! But I think the progress of what we’ve done in plastic from the Republican Romans and Zulu War British to our most recent sets – Vikings and Saxons – speaks for itself. We're continuing to push on the sculpting and technology side - but at this point I would put our latest sprues up against anyone's for crispness of detail and the lack of flash and moldlines.
Now our focus is to just continue to get better with each sprue we do - the molding is no problem - the focus is being incredibly creative with what we pack onto the sprues and continuing to push the envelope on the sculpting side. Sculpting, at the end of the day, is a matter of taste and up to the sculptor's individual style - but we do listen and we do try to incorporate those suggestions as best we can.
The Liberty and Union League process allows regular wargamers to contribute their creativity to the project so that the final product is something they can be happy with. It's not really "design by committee" though because in the end it's the WF team that decides which way to go with things and the sculptor who is really putting his heart and soul into the design.
The response to these Shock Troops has been unbelievable and we're excited to explore more on the SF front. The most logical first step is to do a Shock Troops heavy weapons sprue with some built in command options to flesh out this army a bit more.
To that end, I've started a new thread on our forums to discuss the wishlist/options for the next sprue - you can check it out here:
Thats actually a pretty kicking look. Unfortunately, I won't be looking into these mini's until they either release a head pack with better heads, (Some more non helmet/mask please) and a heavy weapons and command sprue. If they get that I would probably buy a companies worth of guys to use as Guardsmen.
Comparisons between GW's stuff and these are rather unfair imo, GW has been making plastic models for around 20 years (possibly more) and they've been doing multipart plastic figures since at least the 3rd edition of 40k, which is when I believe the first mp space marines came out.
Wargames Factory have been at it for one year and they've achieved a great deal in that time, the BoW showed the leap in quality from their first sprue to the newest.
They've done what they set out to do, namely to allow people the opportunity to create a large army at a low cost. No they're not as detailed, big surprise, there always has to be a compromise somewhere.
Speaking of compromises... sure thing, they can compromise prices, material etc as long as there are no quality compromises... because to me personally its the only major thing that stops me from getting miniatures... Thats why everyone's diferent.
A lot of Citadel stuff was horrible back in the day and definitely inferior to historical models of the same era. Go have a look for instance at the earlier Chaplain Lemartes mini or some of the early beakie minis, they're vomitous compared to what's available now.
I think the main problem with these guys is how the folds in the skirt have been done. The heads I think look great as do the weapons. If you want to see rough minis that don't need to be, the historical company HaT produces some really poor sculpts and casts for their 1/72 scale lines.
They have definite conversion potential, gas mask heads could be used to turn cadians into proxy stormtroopers, the rifles next to the bare heads with some modification would make excellent shotguns, I'm sure that squidhead will end up on many renegade shoulders of all types.
So how much money would you really be saving here?
Well I sat down and did the math.
If you love the way they look and don't change a thing... then you will save (basic troops as base) $168 us.
130 GW Guard @ $22/10 = $286 $2.20 each
126 WF Guard package deal = $118 .93 cents each
Now, if you are in the same boat I am in.. and don't like the looks of the heads or the weapons at all and would have to replace them to even consider buying these... then you are looking at the following:
(Pig Iron Heads and MaxMini Weapons for comparison)
126 WF Guard package deal = $118
7 packs of militia helm heads @ $6.13 each = $42.91
13 packs of MaxMini Guns @ $6.96 each = $90.48
$251.39 for 126 guys WF
$286 for 130 guys GW
And I am pretty sure you could negate that gap even more if you used a GW discount site prices and not GW direct.
jp400 wrote:Now, if you are in the same boat I am in.. and don't like the looks of the heads or the weapons at all and would have to replace them to even consider buying these... then you are looking at the following:
(Pig Iron Heads and MaxMini Weapons for comparison)
126 WF Guard package deal = $118
7 packs of militia helm heads @ $6.13 each = $42.91
13 packs of MaxMini Guns @ $6.96 each = $90.48
$251.39 for 126 guys WF
$286 for 130 guys GW
And I am pretty sure you could negate that gap even more if you used a GW discount site prices and not GW direct.
To say nothing of the massive workload you'd have to put in converting the arms to take guns that were never designed to fit them in the first place. And replicating that over 100 times. The figures you'd end up would be top-heavy (metal heads) and at the same time very easy to damage (resin guns). On the other hand, at least you'd have something more interesting than 13 squads of plastic Cadians.
jp400 wrote:So how much money would you really be saving here?
Well I sat down and did the math.
If you love the way they look and don't change a thing... then you will save (basic troops as base) $168 us.
130 GW Guard @ $22/10 = $286 $2.20 each
126 WF Guard package deal = $118 .93 cents each
Now, if you are in the same boat I am in.. and don't like the looks of the heads or the weapons at all and would have to replace them to even consider buying these... then you are looking at the following:
(Pig Iron Heads and MaxMini Weapons for comparison)
126 WF Guard package deal = $118
7 packs of militia helm heads @ $6.13 each = $42.91
13 packs of MaxMini Guns @ $6.96 each = $90.48
$251.39 for 126 guys WF
$286 for 130 guys GW
And I am pretty sure you could negate that gap even more if you used a GW discount site prices and not GW direct.
My 2 cents.
Well if you're like me and insist they all have Abbaddon's head then that's $20 a model right there. And if you insist on basing them all on gold kugarands?!?!!?!? Then the price goes up to $123 a model!!!one!!!! Not to mention the diamonds in each eye!
JP, if you want Canadians go for it, no one is stopping you or will think less of you. But making up straw man arguements to show that models that cost 40% of what GW charages are somehow more expensive... well you're just looking silly now.
I'm on the fence, not because I don't like them (I do) but because I have 5 IG armies as is (zombies, Warzone conversions, Empire militia, Catachan SWAT team, Tallarn).
I think his main point is that some parts of the WGF models aren't good enough looking, so you have to buy more 3rd party parts for them.
I'll be honest, I'd rather have converted WGF models than basic cadians, but still, I would not want basic WGF shock troopers.
ph34r wrote:I think his main point is that some parts of the WGF models aren't good enough looking, so you have to buy more 3rd party parts for them.
I'll be honest, I'd rather have converted WGF models than basic cadians, but still, I would not want basic WGF shock troopers.
It still doesn't make any sense. If you don't like some parts of them (which is really what 'aren't good enough looking' means) then don't buy them, or pay more to replace those parts.
Let's say you change the weapons to make them relatively legal in a game of 40k (this is probably what I would do..)
And in money I understand (using your figures as a base)
130 BORING GW GUARD - £12 per box of 10 = £156
126 GREATCOATS - $118 = £78
126 LASGUNS from a bitz site - average 30p per gun = £38
TOTAL = £116
So a saving of £40, assuming you want no heavy or special weapons. If you DO want heavy and specials, ordered from a bits site, you're looking at an extra £40 or so anyway.
Basically, to get them 40kWYSIWYG, it's about the same price, but you get a much better looking army. After all, who wants more Cadians...?
jp400 wrote:So how much money would you really be saving here?
Well I sat down and did the math.
If you love the way they look and don't change a thing... then you will save (basic troops as base) $168 us.
130 GW Guard @ $22/10 = $286 $2.20 each
126 WF Guard package deal = $118 .93 cents each
Now, if you are in the same boat I am in.. and don't like the looks of the heads or the weapons at all and would have to replace them to even consider buying these... then you are looking at the following:
(Pig Iron Heads and MaxMini Weapons for comparison)
126 WF Guard package deal = $118
7 packs of militia helm heads @ $6.13 each = $42.91
13 packs of MaxMini Guns @ $6.96 each = $90.48
$251.39 for 126 guys WF
$286 for 130 guys GW
And I am pretty sure you could negate that gap even more if you used a GW discount site prices and not GW direct.
My 2 cents.
Well if you're like me and insist they all have Abbaddon's head then that's $20 a model right there. And if you insist on basing them all on gold kugarands?!?!!?!? Then the price goes up to $123 a model!!!one!!!! Not to mention the diamonds in each eye!
JP, if you want Canadians go for it, no one is stopping you or will think less of you. But making up straw man arguements to show that models that cost 40% of what GW charages are somehow more expensive... well you're just looking silly now.
And the "I completly missed the point and made myself out to be a 4th point of contact" award goes to......
I was just throwing out numbers on what people might be looking at. Don't like it? Deal with it.
They're cheaper, end of story. If you want to buy more expensive heads for them then compare that scenario to those who do that already for the GW models. Remember too that you'll be able to sell the unused WGF heads to those that want to change the look of their cadians and so forth.
Kyoto, if you know where to get krugerrands for $103 I'd love to know.
But jp400 and ArbitorIan your maths isn't really relevant.
Try to find me 130 GW Greatcoats for $286 then we'll talk! Going to the collectors range means $35 for a box of 10.
That's $455 for 130 models, ouch.
These new models with pig iron heads, new guns, diamond eyes etc still come in way cheaper than the next alternative.
Yea, I am more in line with Kyoto and Ian on this one. I run Cadians with Pig Iron heads just for a different look. I am tempted to grab these for Inq Storm Troopers or Carapace vets, just to keep a different look. I don't know that I would buy a 130 of the buggers, but considering I and most people who really care that an army is not just another Cadian army are going to be doing some conversions one way or the other, these are a pretty nice little deal. Particularly seeing as how they are cheap enough that getting 30 and deciding half way through your plan isn't working out isn't too much of a setback.
Meh, people using them for 40k would be using them for IG grunts, which die, in droves. Why be so worried about what something looks like when it has a 1 turn life expectancy?
Forgeworld gets you better detail and more variety of poses, but as I would have to convert them to chaos anyway, I'd rather take the the extra $410 spend $100 on upgrading them and pocket the other $310.
Empchild wrote:@kid_kyoto: I understand they don't intrest you and thats fine and all, but when you create a line you kinda have to work on it till completion.
I don't think brand loyalty and complete product lines are nearly as important for historical wargames than they are for us. Since WGF does not have an inhouse rules system for their Vikings or Romans, there's no need to try to establish a cohesive WGF Historicals brand. I mean, by the nature of their hobby, historicals players are far more at home with the idea of shopping around for miniatures that fit a particular scenario and rules system.
Very far removed from the truth good sir. When most historical gamers build armies they don't mix and match lines that much because more often then not the lines don't match up well at all. Heck even warlord games and wargames factorys lines really aren't on the same par with each other. I have been historical gamming now for 17 years and believe me when a gamer starts an army for something they like to stick to the same line for consistancy. Rules don't really matter as much as adaptations are more common then you think. Often in house rules are drawn together for gamming historicals more then anything. WGF having a set rules line would mean little to thier models themselves, and thus by them not having a full line of squat their is little reason when most of their products are historicals to purchase them.
I actually rather like them, it could tempt me to starting a guard army when there's more of them available, I always liked the tanks but not the troopers, lol.
Maybe they're testing the waters with sci fi, but they need to do more than one sprue of three guys per set to flesh this concept out. Maybe they just figure that most wont even use their arms and will use GW arms instead so they've skimped on the design to save space. An extra arm that would better hold one of the special weapons could have replaced a couple of the heads.
Still, I'm going to get some of these to play around with.
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cadbren wrote:Remember too that you'll be able to sell the unused WGF heads to those that want to change the look of their cadians and so forth.
Hah. I doubt that very much.
Don't doubt the cool factor that space nazis have, they'll be a cheap way to turn cadians into naziesque troops "nooo, they're not really space nazis, I'm just painting the officers black because they look cool that way, and no that cammo pattern is not supposed to be pea pattern that's just how I paint..." "Okaay..and the red armbands with white circles?..." "But there's no swastika, see"
agnosto wrote:Meh, people using them for 40k would be using them for IG grunts, which die, in droves. Why be so worried about what something looks like when it has a 1 turn life expectancy?
I should remember myself that everytime I convert a gaunt
cadbren wrote:Remember too that you'll be able to sell the unused WGF heads to those that want to change the look of their cadians and so forth.
Hah. I doubt that very much.
Don't doubt the cool factor that space nazis have, they'll be a cheap way to turn cadians into naziesque troops "nooo, they're not really space nazis, I'm just painting the officers black because they look cool that way, and no that cammo pattern is not supposed to be pea pattern that's just how I paint..." "Okaay..and the red armbands with white circles?..." "But there's no swastika, see"
I just think that the helmets are sub par compared to easy alternatives like Pig Iron.
ph34r wrote:I just think that the helmets are sub par compared to easy alternatives like Pig Iron.
Pig Iron? I was recently looking at the Perry Miniatures site, beautiful stuff and also in plastic.
I like the helmeted heads, the major problem with them other than having to shorten the neck is that the underside of the helmet rim is a solid block. The googly eye lenses could be better too but it is sci fi so they're still plausible.
The die is cast in any case and I've ordered a couple of boxes of these, I'm sure I wont be disappointed. Hopefully they sell as many as they are hoping to and can then release the add on set quickly. A couple of weeks to tool up the command/heavy weapons they reckon if the first proves popular.
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Gargskull wrote:There is more coming, the Beasts of War guys mentioned they have plans for a heavy weapons sprue and a command sprue.
For now these are being combined onto one sprue which will reduce the options for both units unfortunately.
The to be released set only lets you proxy basic guardsmen. The add on set would let you proxy/convert officers and heavy weapons crews as the add on set would include kneeling figures.
cadbren wrote:The to be released set only lets you proxy basic guardsmen. The add on set would let you proxy/convert officers and heavy weapons crews as the add on set would include kneeling figures.
for an FYI on Wargames Factory sizes - here's a comparison shot of their zombies with a Cadian & a Terminator & the 2nd shot is with different heads (MaxMini Rebel, original, West Wind SotTR German):
my guess is they'll be a bit small if put next to other human models, look good against an SM, and different heads may look a bit iffy.
I'll still buy some though, if anything else just to have a decent look.
I'll buy them once they get a Command sprue and Heavy Weapon set, just make sure that the heavy weapon and command sprues have enough weapon options to cover the options that Guard can take. That would be the selling bonus for me. I really like the look aside from the head.
For your FYI, look at the Youtube video I linked, there is a comparison between the WF Great coats and the GW Cadians towards the end of the video. They are on exact scale terms and so will fit in with the Cadians rather well. Pig Iron's though are a scant bit smaller, not by much though.
The zombies however are smaller and thinner, completely different than the Great Coats and thinner than GW zombies. I much prefer the WF zombies though, as I think zombies would be emaciated rather than the well fed cartoon zombies of GW....but that's a personal preference. Im up to 50 WF zombies and 20 GW ones, will be getting more of the WF ones to get a decent zombiepocolypse horde
bubber wrote:for an FYI on Wargames Factory sizes - here's a comparison shot of their zombies with a Cadian & a Terminator & the 2nd shot is with different heads (MaxMini Rebel, original, West Wind SotTR German):
my guess is they'll be a bit small if put next to other human models, look good against an SM, and different heads may look a bit iffy.
I'll still buy some though, if anything else just to have a decent look.
It's probably been stated before but these guys are the same size as the Cadians, one of the greatcoat guys and a Cadian are shown together in that review on youtube. Nevermind, the post by Spacemanvic said as much.
Empchild wrote:So I was rather excited for these, but the end product is just disapointing. Wargames Factory needs to concentrate on finishing their lines they have now and not extending new ones. So many company do this and their products flop because of it.
Gotta disagree, mostly because Vikings, Ancient Germans, Romans, Celts etc don't interest me at all.
Its not the theme that disapoints me but rather the quality. A shame really. I look a these heads and dont like even just one of those... the regular weapons design is errr ugly and the coats are not that great.
Thats the reason why I bought the Pig Iron heads to go with the 2 boxes I pre-ordered of these!
Please, please..
