A comment in another thread got me thinking about how expensive you could actually make your FOC. The rules: Your list must be legal, be contained within a single FOC, and contain as many points as possible....and should preferably be fearsome....very very fearsome. As fearsome as possible. Only standard codex items allowed, units that do not contribute to the FoC (warp spawns, send in the next wave, etc) do not count.


*EDIT*
Current High Scores:

1) Blood Angels: 25441
2) Imperial Guard: 25359
3) Space Marines: 12230
4) Space Wolves: 12220
5) Black Templars: 11562
6) Chaos Space Marines: 10760
7) Orks: 10365
8) Witch Hunters: 10060
9) Tyranids: 9965
10) Daemon Hunters: 9246
11) Tau Empire: 8745
12) Dark Angels: 8540
13) Eldar: 8217
14) Dark Eldar: Kabal 7774 / Wych Cult 7990
15) Chaos Daemons: 6495
16) Necrons: 5385




I'll start us off with the 9,911 point Ork FoC

HQ1(228): Ghazghkull Thraka + Ammo Runt
HQ2(183): Warboss with Warbike, Powerklaw, Kombi-Skorcha, Ammo Runt, Attack Squig, Cybork Body, Bosspole, 'Eavy Armor

Troop1(1072): 10x Nob bikers, all with Stikkbombs, 'Eavy Armor, Cybork Bodies, and Bikes
#1: Painboy + Grot Orderly
2-10: Powerklaw, Kombi-Rokkit, Bosspole, Waaaugh! Banner, Ammo Runt

Troop2(1072): 10x Nob bikers, all with Stikkbombs, 'Eavy Armor, Cybork Bodies, and Bikes
#1: Painboy + Grot Orderly
2-10: Powerklaw, Kombi-Rokkit, Bosspole, Waaaugh! Banner, Ammo Runt

Troop3(400): 30 'Ard Boyz, 3x Rokkits, Nob with powerklaw and Bosspole, stikkbombs for the whole mob.

Troop4(285): 30 Boyz, stikkbombs, Nob, powerklaw, bosspole, 'Eavy Armor
Troop5(285): 30 Boyz, stikkbombs, Nob, powerklaw, bosspole, 'Eavy Armor
Troop6(285): 30 Boyz, stikkbombs, Nob, powerklaw, bosspole, 'Eavy Armor

Elite1(1072): 10x Nob bikers, all with Stikkbombs, 'Eavy Armor, Cybork Bodies, and Bikes
#1: Painboy + Grot Orderly
2-10: Powerklaw, Kombi-Rokkit, Bosspole, Waaaugh! Banner, Ammo Runt

Elite2(1072): 10x Nob bikers, all with Stikkbombs, 'Eavy Armor, Cybork Bodies, and Bikes
#1: Painboy + Grot Orderly
2-10: Powerklaw, Kombi-Rokkit, Bosspole, Waaaugh! Banner, Ammo Runt

Elite3(1072): 10x Nob bikers, all with Stikkbombs, 'Eavy Armor, Cybork Bodies, and Bikes
#1: Painboy + Grot Orderly
2-10: Powerklaw, Kombi-Rokkit, Bosspole, Waaaugh! Banner, Ammo Runt

Fast Attack1: 5x Deffkoptas, 5x Twin-Linked Rokkits, 5x Buzzsaws, 5x Big Bombs
Fast Attack2: 5x Deffkoptas, 5x Twin-Linked Rokkits, 5x Buzzsaws, 5x Big Bombs
Fast Attack3: 5x Deffkoptas, 5x Twin-Linked Rokkits, 5x Buzzsaws, 5x Big Bombs

Heavy1(640): Flash Gitz: Kaptin Badrukk, Painboy, Grot orderly; whole squad has Cybork Bodies, More dakka, shootier, blastas, and 3 ammo runts

Heavy2(485): Painboy, Grot orderly; whole squad has Cybork Bodies, More dakka, shootier, blastas, and 3 ammo runts

Heavy3(485): Painboy, Grot orderly; whole squad has Cybork Bodies, More dakka, shootier, blastas, and 3 ammo runts

That's 9,911 points. Yes, dial 9 to get out, then dial 911.

Not only is it almost 10k points, but its probably the most vicious FoC I can think of - 5 fully tweaked out biker mobs, swarms of boyz, and not a single actual vehicle, so the giant vendetta squadrons are going to be stuck trying to pop nob bikers one at a time.

8714

Grand Master
Stern
48 Terminators
60 PAGK
30 Teleporting PAGK
30 Purgation PAGK

All Justicars and Brother Captains and Grandmaster are maxed out on wargear...2+/4+ saves

38 models have psycannons

Lots of melta bombs and chainfists

170 men on the field...I'm so proud

Almost put 8 LR variants in there until i realized my troops cost more.


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Lots of psychic holocaust in there too...I think my GKs stand a good chance against your orks.


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Tyranids

9990

3 Hive Tyrants with TL deathspitter and heavy venom cannons
9 Tyrant Guard boneswords
9 Zoanthropes
3 Mycetic spores with venom cannons
54 lashwhip/bonesword deathspitter warriors
6 venom cannon warriors
27 Raveners with deathspitters and rending claws
9 Carnifexes with heavy venom cannons and TL deathspitters

All biomorphs taken, all upgrades taken

HA!

i think i win

with 10770 points

HQ:
Calgar with FULL honour guard with 3 thunder hammers and digital weapons for the champions and 27 relic blades and 27 aux grenades and a chapter banner
2240 points
Sicarius with command squad with standard and champion 4 plasma pistols 4 power fists all inside a razorback decked out with TL LC storm bolter HKM DB EA
645 points

Elites:
basically 3 ten man termies with assault cannons 9 chain fists and all in fully loaded land raiders
800 points each

Troops:
6 ten man tactical squads with PP PF melta bombs and a teleport homer for the sergeant and a PG and LC for the marines
and in fully loaded rhinos
325 points each

Fast attack:
3 Vanguard squads with relic blade PP JP and PF
750 points each

Heavy Support:
3 ten man Devastator squads with PP and PF and 4 LC
all in fully loaded rhinos
430 points each


GRAND TOTAL: 10770

WOOT!

I play guard: you all lose

HQ: Creed, kell, nork, heavy flamer, camo cloaks, carapace armor krak grenades vox caster medipack 3x plasma guns, chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo), 5 ministorum priests with eviscerators, 2 techpriests with 5 servitors, two carrying plasma cannons.

1060

Straken, regimental standard, heavy flamer, camo cloaks, carapace armor krak grenades vox caster medipack 3x plasma guns, chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo)

405

ELITES:

3x 10 ogryn with chimera chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo)

(530 apiece) 1590

TROOPS:

Chenkov, commissar with power fist, plasma pistol, medipack, platoon standard, vox caster, heavy flamer, 2x plasma, krak grenades (215)

5 PIS with melta bombs, commissar, 2x plasma pistols, 2x power weapons, plasma gun, vox caster, lascannon, krak grenades (180 apiece) 900

5 lascannon heavy weapons squads (105 apiece) 525

2 special weapons squads with demos 190

50-man conscript squad with send in the next wave 275

6 chimeras (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo) 720

2825

Same as above, except with al'rahem

2845

4 more infantry platoons as above, except without the special characters but with a plasma pistol and power fist for the JO.

(2830 apiece) 11320

Total spent on troops: 16990

FAST ATTACK

3x 3x squads of hellhounds with multimelta, searchlight, stubber, HK, dozer, EA, smoke, camo

1944

HEAVY SUPPORT

3x 3x squads of executioners with plasma sponsons, hull lascannon, pintle stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo.

+ one of them has Pask 50

2840


---- TOTAL -----

24,979 points

946 infantry models

59 vehicles

Ungodly number of guns and assorted weapons.

you have me awed

Ailaros...you've been Inquisitoned. Please report to my Grand Master with your ungodly large army.

i can't even try to think about how large that army would be on a table
*head explode*

Imperial Guard:

Company Command Squad (455): Creed, Kell, Medic, Heavy Flamer, Plasma Gun, Astropath, Officer of the Fleet, Master of the Ordinance, 2 Bodyguards, Krak Grenades, Carapace Armor, Camo Cloaks
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Company Command Squad (470): Straken, Nork, Medic, Heavy Flamer, 2 Plasma Guns, Astropath, Officer of the Fleet, Master of the Ordinance, Krak Grenades, Carapace Armor, Camo Cloaks
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

5 Ministorum Priests (300): Eviscerator

2 Techpriests (370): 5 Servitors, 2 Multi-Meltas, Melta Bombs

10 Ogryns (410)
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

10 Ogryns (410)
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

10 Ogryns (410)
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Platoon Command Squad (230): Commander Chenkov, Commissar, 2 Powerfists, Medic, Heavy Flamer, 2 Plasma Guns, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

50 Conscripts (275): Send in the Next Wave!

Platoon Command Squad (250): Al’Rahem, Commissar, 2 Powerfists, Medic, Heavy Flamer, 2 Plasma Guns, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

50 Conscripts (275): Send in the Next Wave!

Platoon Command Squad (215): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 4 Powerfists, Medic, Heavy Flamer, 2 Plasma Guns, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

50 Conscripts (275): Send in the Next Wave!

Platoon Command Squad (215): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 4 Powerfists, Medic, Heavy Flamer, 2 Plasma Guns, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

50 Conscripts (275): Send in the Next Wave!

Platoon Command Squad (215): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 4 Powerfists, Medic, Heavy Flamer, 2 Plasma Guns, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

50 Conscripts (275): Send in the Next Wave!

Platoon Command Squad (215): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 4 Powerfists, Medic, Heavy Flamer, 2 Plasma Guns, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Infantry Squad (175): Melta Bombs, Commissar, 2 Power Weapons, 2 Plasma Pistols, Plasma Gun, Vox Caster, Lascannon, Krak Grenades
Chimera (120): Pintle Mounted Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Heavy Weapon Squad (110): 3 Lascannons, Krak Grenades

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

Special Weapon Squad (95): 3 Demo Charges

50 Conscripts (275): Send in the Next Wave!
3 Hellhounds (598): Multi-melta, Searchlight, Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Smoke Launchers, Camo Netting

3 Hellhounds (598): Multi-melta, Searchlight, Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Smoke Launchers, Camo Netting

3 Hellhounds (598): Multi-melta, Searchlight, Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Smoke Launchers, Camo Netting

3 Leman Russ Executioners (890): Lascannon, Sponson Plasma Cannons, Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

3 Leman Russ Executioners (890): Lascannon, Sponson Plasma Cannons, Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting

3 Leman Russ Executioners (940): Lascannon, Sponson Plasma Cannons, Heavy Stubber, Hunter Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, Camo Netting, Pask

Total: 24,939 Points

::EDIT:: Damn, Guard were already done! At least I wasted slightly more on upgrades!

NoToTheMan wrote:i can't even try to think about how large that army would be on a table
*head explode*

It wouldn't...he would fill up his deployment...and then as he runs at his enemy reserves fill up behind him...so however many you kill...it doesn't look like you've made a dent.

Chaos Space Marines:

Infinity...

I'll give it a go
HQ :Emporers champ w/ any challenge 140
2 x master of sanctity w/ TDA, chainfist 330
2 x terminator CS (7 men, 2 CML, 7 CF, 1 holy relic, 7 x crusader seals, 7 x veteran skill) 830

Elites: 3 x 8 man terminators all loaded out as above = 1350

Troops :6 x 10 initiates plus 5 neophytes w/ plasma cannon, meltagun seals, both grenades = 1830

FA: assault squad, 10 men, both grenades, 2 flamers, PF, 8 x storm shield = 903

Heavy: 3x LRC with every upgrade + 11 more for transports = 4606

total of 9989.......not enough

Sanctjud wrote:Chaos Space Marines:

Infinity...

Stupid Spawn...

CSM:
Abbadon
275
Ahriman
250
Summoned Greater Daemon
100
10 Terminators, MoN, 2 Reapers, 8 Combis, Chainfists
430
Land Raider, Dozer, XArmor, Possession, Dirge Caster, Havoc Launcher
280
10 Terminators, MoN, 2 Reapers, 8 Combis, Chainfists
430
Land Raider, Dozer, XArmor, Possession, Dirge Caster, Havoc Launcher
280
10 Terminators, MoN, 2 Reapers, 8 Combis, Chainfists
430
Land Raider, Dozer, XArmor, Possession, Dirge Caster, Havoc Launcher
280
20 PMs, Per Icon, Champ, PF, PP, Combi-Weapon, Meltabombs, 2 Plasmas, Rhino, Extra Armor, Dozer, Possession, Havoc Launcher
655
20 PMs, Per Icon, Champ, PF, PP, Combi-Weapon, Meltabombs, 2 Plasmas, Rhino, Extra Armor, Dozer, Possession, Havoc Launcher
655
20 PMs, Per Icon, Champ, PF, PP, Combi-Weapon, Meltabombs, 2 Plasmas, Rhino, Extra Armor, Dozer, Possession, Havoc Launcher
655
20 PMs, Per Icon, Champ, PF, PP, Combi-Weapon, Meltabombs, 2 Plasmas, Rhino, Extra Armor, Dozer, Possession, Havoc Launcher
655
20 PMs, Per Icon, Champ, PF, PP, Combi-Weapon, Meltabombs, 2 Plasmas, Rhino, Extra Armor, Dozer, Possession, Havoc Launcher
655
20 PMs, Per Icon, Champ, PF, PP, Combi-Weapon, Meltabombs, 2 Plasmas, Rhino, Extra Armor, Dozer, Possession, Havoc Launcher
655
20 Raptors, Champ, PP, Meltabombs, PF, MoN, 2 Plasmas
540
20 Raptors, Champ, PP, Meltabombs, PF, MoN, 2 Plasmas
540
20 Raptors, Champ, PP, Meltabombs, PF, MoN, 2 Plasmas
540
20 Havocs, Champ, Combi, PP, Meltabombs, PF, MoN, 4 Lascannon, Rhino, Extra Armor, Dozer, Possession, Havoc Launcher
650
20 Havocs, Champ, Combi, PP, Meltabombs, PF, MoN, 4 Lascannon, Rhino, Extra Armor, Dozer, Possession, Havoc Launcher
650
20 Havocs, Champ, Combi, PP, Meltabombs, PF, MoN, 4 Lascannon, Rhino, Extra Armor, Dozer, Possession, Havoc Launcher
650

10255 points.

But wait, there's more! Both Chaos Spawn and Summoned Lesser Daemons do not take up any FoC slots!

So we add an infinite number of Spawn and Lesser Daemons...and we end up with an infinitely pointed list.

I just wish I had a KP mission against infinity spawn

oh, I forgot the krak grenades on the heavy weapons teams. The total is 24,979

And no, I don't actually HAVE this army, or anything close. I'd imagine that, given that it's a full regiment, I'd actually split it up into groups of 100, and get 9 of my friends to help.

I'll give it a whack for the one... the only... Eldar!

HQ
Farseer-188
Fortune, Doom, Spirit Stones, RoWarding, RoWitnessing, Jetbike, Singing Spear
10 Warlocks-606
Jetbikes, 8 Destructors, 1 Embolden, 1 Enhance, 2 Singing Spears

Farseer-188
Fortune, Doom, Spirit Stones, RoWarding, RoWitnessing, Jetbike, Singing Spear
10 Warlocks-606
Jetbikes, 8 Destructors, 1 Embolden, 1 Enhance, 2 Singing Spears

Elite
10 Wraithguard-393
Warlock
Singing Spear, Conceal

10 Wraithguard-393
Warlock
Singing Spear, Conceal

10 Wraithguard-393
Warlock
Singing Spear, Conceal

Troops
12 Jetbikes-327
4 ShuriCannons
Warlock
Jetbike, Singing Spear, Destructor

12 Jetbikes-327
4 ShuriCannons
Warlock
Jetbike, Singing Spear, Destructor

12 Jetbikes-327
4 ShuriCannons
Warlock
Jetbike, Singing Spear, Destructor

12 Jetbikes-327
4 ShuriCannons
Warlock
Jetbike, Singing Spear, Destructor

12 Jetbikes-327
4 ShuriCannons
Warlock
Jetbike, Singing Spear, Destructor

12 Jetbikes-327
4 ShuriCannons
Warlock
Jetbike, Singing Spear, Destructor

Fast Attack
3 Vypers-360
Bright Lance, Holo-Fields, ShuriCannon

3 Vypers-360
Bright Lance, Holo-Fields, ShuriCannon

3 Vypers-360
Bright Lance, Holo-Fields, ShuriCannon

Heavy Support
3 Warwalkers-240
2 Star Cannons Ea.

3 Warwalkers-240
2 Star Cannons Ea.

3 Warwalkers-240
2 Star Cannons Ea.

I don't know about you... but I think I would quit.....

Total: 6,529... I probably could have done better, sorry eldar...

NoToTheMan wrote:HA!

i think i win

with 10770 points

HQ:
Calgar with FULL honour guard with 3 thunder hammers and digital weapons for the champions and 27 relic blades and 27 aux grenades and a chapter banner
2240 points
Sicarius with command squad with standard and champion 4 plasma pistols 4 power fists all inside a razorback decked out with TL LC storm bolter HKM DB EA
645 points

Elites:
basically 3 ten man termies with assault cannons 9 chain fists and all in fully loaded land raiders
800 points each

Troops:
6 ten man tactical squads with PP PF melta bombs and a teleport homer for the sergeant and a PG and LC for the marines
and in fully loaded rhinos
325 points each

Fast attack:
3 Vanguard squads with relic blade PP JP and PF
750 points each

Heavy Support:
3 ten man Devastator squads with PP and PF and 4 LC
all in fully loaded rhinos
430 points each


GRAND TOTAL: 10770

WOOT!

You can improve on this. Make the Command Squad Bikers. (You can still take a DT) You actually could probably kit out a more expensive Bike Captain than Sicarius, too. Also, change the Rhinos for pimped out Razorbacks. However, you can't take 3 dedicated LR transports. You can only take two max... one for an assault termie squad and one for a tactical termie squad.

Space wolves 11895

HQ

275 Logan grimnar
270 Njal (with T-armour
260 Ragnar with 2x wolfs
285 Wolf lord, thunder wolf, combi melta, thunder hamer, melta bombs, wolf toth neckles, wolf tail talisman, 2x fen wolfs, belt of russ, saga of the bear

Elite

290 10x Wolf scouts, 10x Sniper rifles, 10x melta bombs, plasma gun, mark of wolfen, 2x plasma pistol
290 10x Wolf scouts, 10x Sniper rifles, 10x melta bombs, plasma gun, mark of wolfen, 2x plasma pistol
290 10x Wolf scouts, 10x Sniper rifles, 10x melta bombs, plasma gun, mark of wolfen, 2x plasma pistol

Troop

1075 10x Wolf gard, 8x Thunder hammer, 8x storm shild, 8x space marin bike, 2x TDA, 2x Cyclone, 2x chain fist, 2x storm shild, 10x melta bombs, mark of wolfen
1075 10x Wolf gard, 8x Thunder hammer, 8x storm shild, 8x space marin bike, 2x TDA, 2x Cyclone, 2x chain fist, 2x storm shild, 10x melta bombs, mark of wolfen
1075 10x Wolf gard, 8x Thunder hammer, 8x storm shild, 8x space marin bike, 2x TDA, 2x Cyclone, 2x chain fist, 2x storm shild, 10x melta bombs, mark of wolfen
1075 10x Wolf gard, 8x Thunder hammer, 8x storm shild, 8x space marin bike, 2x TDA, 2x Cyclone, 2x chain fist, 2x storm shild, 10x melta bombs, mark of wolfen
1075 10x Wolf gard, 8x Thunder hammer, 8x storm shild, 8x space marin bike, 2x TDA, 2x Cyclone, 2x chain fist, 2x storm shild, 10x melta bombs, mark of wolfen
1155 10x Wolf gard, 7x Thunder hammer, 7x storm shild, 7x space marin bike, 2x TDA, 2x Cyclone, 2x chain fist, 2x storm shild, 9x melta bombs, mark of wolfen + Arjac

Dedecated transport

575 5x Las/Plas razorback, Dozer blade, hunter killer, storm bolter, extra armour
295 Land Raider Crusader, Storm bolter, hunter killer, multi melta, extra armour

Fast attack

460 5x Tunderwolf cav, 5x storm shild 5x melta bombs, mark of wolfen, tunder hammer
460 5x Tunderwolf cav, 5x storm shild 5x melta bombs, mark of wolfen, tunder hammer
460 5x Tunderwolf cav, 5x storm shild 5x melta bombs, mark of wolfen, tunder hammer

Heavy

270 6x long fangs 5x lasscanon 2x power fist melta bombs
270 6x long fangs 5x lasscanon 2x power fist melta bombs
270 6x long fangs 5x lasscanon 2x power fist melta bombs

Dedecated transport

345 Las/Plas razorback, Dozer blade, hunter killer, storm bolter, extra armour

job done and not to bad a list

Blood Angels
HQ:1897
Astorath the Grim-220
The Sanguinator-275
2xHonor guard squads with dual thunderhammers, chapter banner, melta bombs and a fully decked out LR-701 each

Elites:2,238
3x 10 TH/SS termies with decked out LR-746 each

Troops:17,250
6x 30 man jump pack death company with dual thunderhammers-2850 each
Lamartes, Gauridian of the Lost-150

Fast attack:3,483
3x Full vanguard, with land raider, dual hammers and meltabombs.-1161 each

Heavy support:1863
3x full Devs, 4xLC's dual PF sarge and a meltabomb with LR-621 each

Total=26,731
11 land raiders
586 thunder hammers

I think I win.

Lol. I think you won once you made a list that included 500 thunder hammers, regardless of the points. That you went on from there is just mean

HQ: Chuck Norris
Elites: none
Troops: none
Fast attack: none
Heavy support: none

Total: more than infinity
The human brain can not understand how much chuck norris is worth. If you put a price on Chuck Norris, he will hunt you down and kill you.

Oh my god...guard were beat out in the single FOC challenge....BLOOD ANGELS ARE BROKEN

Yes, lets restrict this to only FoC stuff - no free additions; chaos spawns, warp beasts, etc.

And so far we have Blood Angels on top (presuming that those points are correct and that the list is legal).

CSM beat them first, because as a couple people above have accurately pointed out, CSM can have a list that costs infinity points.

EDIT: Oh, all right, if we're ignoring the extra stuff.

right, because otherwise I could multiply the number of points spent on conscripts by the number of turns in a game as they "send the next wave" in every turn. Likewise, without number armies would be silly.

Oh did you see the new guard FAQ?

Errata

Page 95 - Army list, Guardsman Marbo

Marbo's point cost should read 26,732

Looks like guard are back on top!

I always thought lesser daemons were taken outside of the FoC anyways, but I that may not be the actual wording.

No body tops Chaos Space Marines.

Infinite Spawn.
Infinite Lesser Daemons.

Unless you guys house rule it to not include CSM's lol.

Sanctjud wrote:No body tops Chaos Space Marines.

Infinite Spawn.
Infinite Lesser Daemons.

Unless you guys house rule it to not include CSM's lol.

Nope. Since they don't contribute to the FoC, they don't add points to the challenge given.

I would house rule no infinite lists...

Dark Angels

Azrael 225
- Command Squad 2 Plasma Pistols 30, 2 Power Fists 50, 5 Melta Bombs 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Apoth 20, Standard 10, Razorback 50, TL Lascannon 30, Extra Armour 15, Hunter Killer Missile 15, Pintle Storm Bolter 5, Dozer Blade 5
615

Sammael Master of the Ravenwing 205
-Landspeeder

Dreadnought 125
-Venerable 20, MLauncher 10, Heavy Flamer 5, TL Lascannon 20, Extra Armour 15, Drop Pod 50
245

Dreadnought 125
-Venerable 20, MLauncher 10, Heavy Flamer 5, TL Lascannon 20, Extra Armour 15, Drop Pod 50
245

Dreadnought 125
-Venerable 20, MLauncher 10, Heavy Flamer 5, TL Lascannon 20, Extra Armour 15, Drop Pod 50
245

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100, Apothecary 15, Standard Bearer 25
485

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100
445

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100
445

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100
445

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100
445

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100
445

Ravenwing Support Squadron 65
- 4 Landspeeders 260, Typhoon Missile Launcher 10, HEavy Flamer 10, Assault Cannon 35
380

Ravenwing Support Squadron 65
- 4 Landspeeders 260, Typhoon Missile Launcher 10, HEavy Flamer 10, Assault Cannon 35
380

Ravenwing Support Squadron 65
- 4 Landspeeders 260, Typhoon Missile Launcher 10, HEavy Flamer 10, Assault Cannon 35
380

Landraider 250
- Storm Bolter 5, HK Missile 15, Extra Armour 15
285

Landraider 250
- Storm Bolter 5, HK Missile 15, Extra Armour 15
285

Landraider 250
- Storm Bolter 5, HK Missile 15, Extra Armour 15
285

6705 Pre Techmarines, I can have 1 Techmarine per non dedicated transport vehicle.

Techmarine 75
- Plasma Pistol 15, Servo-Harness 25, 4 Servitors 100, 4 Plasma Cannons 40
255 x 27 = 6885

Total of 13590 and 109 Plasma Cannons.

Just for fun, here's my maxed out force org at only 9970. I made some competitive choices by giving the Vanguard stormshields instead of dual hammers so it could go over 10000 but I wanted to give a nod to Dash's competitive streak. Definately enough hammers to give his max Nob bikers a good run and still a disgusting amount of lascannons (I see at least 27, which can shoot at 15 different targets!).

HQ: Space Marine Captain (1#, 250 pts)
1 Space Marine Captain @ 250 pts (...in Power Armour)
1 ...in Power Armour (Unit Type: Bikes; Krak Grenades; Iron Halo; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Digital Weapons; Hellfire Rounds; Melta Bombs; Artificer Armour; Space Marine Bike; Thunder Hammer x2; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics; Independent Character)
1 Space Marine Bike

: Command Squad (5#, 480 pts)
1 Command Squad @ 480 pts (Company Standard; Unit on Space Marine Bikes; Unit with Melta Bombs; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran)
1 Apothecary (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Narthecium; Power Armour; Unit on Space Marine Bikes; Bolt Pistol x1; Chainsword x1; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Unit on Space Marine Bikes; Thunder Hammer; Plasmagun; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Unit on Space Marine Bikes; Plasmagun; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Unit on Space Marine Bikes; Plasmagun; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Unit on Space Marine Bikes; Plasmagun; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)

HQ: Marneus Calgar, Lord Macragge (1#, 265 pts)
1 Marneus Calgar, Lord Macragge @ 265 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Iron Halo; Armor of Antilochus; Gauntlets of Ultramar; Power Sword; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics; Eternal Warrior; Furious Charge; God of War; Hit & Run; Independent Character; Master of the Hunt; Orbital Bombardment; Titanic Might)
1 Armor of Antilochus (Teleport Homer)
1 Gauntlets of Ultramar

: Honour Guard (11#, 785 pts)
1 Honour Guard @ 785 pts (Chapter Banner; Honour Guard; Honour Guard; Honour Guard; Honour Guard; Honour Guard; Honour Guard; Honour Guard; Honour Guard; Honour Guard; Rhino)
1 Chapter Champion (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Digital Lasers; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics; Honour or Death)
1 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Honour Guard (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Artificer Armour; Bolt Pistol; Bolter; Power Weapon; Auxiliary Grenade Launcher; Relic Blade; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Tactics)
1 Rhino (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 10 models; Access Points: 3; Fire Points: 1; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Storm Bolter; Repair)

Elite: Terminator Assault Squad (12#, 765 pts)
9 Terminator Assault Squad @ 765 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x9; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Land Raider Crusader)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Thunder Hammer & Storm Shield x1; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Land Raider Crusader (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 16 models; Access Points: 3; Frag Assault Launchers; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Multi-Melta; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; 2x Hurricane Bolters; Twin Linked Assault Cannon; Brother-Sergeant Chronus; Assault Vehicle; Power of the Machine Spirit)
1 Brother-Sergeant Chronus (Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Servo Arm; Bolt Pistol)
1 Servo Arm

Elite: Terminator Squad (11#, 800 pts)
9 Terminator Squad @ 800 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Storm Bolter x9; Chain Fist x9; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Cyclone Missile Launcher; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Land Raider Crusader)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Power Sword; Storm Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Land Raider Crusader (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 16 models; Access Points: 3; Frag Assault Launchers; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Multi-Melta; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; 2x Hurricane Bolters; Twin Linked Assault Cannon; Assault Vehicle; Power of the Machine Spirit)

Elite: Terminator Squad (10#, 505 pts)
9 Terminator Squad @ 505 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Storm Bolter x9; Chain Fist x9; Cyclone Missile Launcher; Cyclone Missile Launcher; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Power Sword; Storm Bolter; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Troops: Tactical Squad (11#, 375 pts)
9 Tactical Squad @ 375 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x7; Plasmagun; Lascannon; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Melta Bombs; Teleport Homer; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Fast Attack: Vanguard Veteran Squad (10#, 810 pts)
1 Vanguard Veteran Squad @ 810 pts (Equip with Jump Packs; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)

Fast Attack: Vanguard Veteran Squad (10#, 810 pts)
1 Vanguard Veteran Squad @ 810 pts (Equip with Jump Packs; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)

Fast Attack: Vanguard Veteran Squad (10#, 810 pts)
1 Vanguard Veteran Squad @ 810 pts (Equip with Jump Packs; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran; Veteran)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Storm Shield; Thunder Hammer; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)
1 Veteran (Unit Type: Jump Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Jump Pack; Melta Bombs; Thunder Hammer; Storm Shield; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Heroic Intervention)

Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (11#, 480 pts)
9 Devastator Squad @ 480 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x5; Lascannon x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Signum; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (11#, 480 pts)
9 Devastator Squad @ 480 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x5; Lascannon x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Signum; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Heavy Support: Devastator Squad (11#, 480 pts)
9 Devastator Squad @ 480 pts (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Bolt Pistol x9; Bolter x5; Lascannon x4; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics; Razorback)
1 Sergeant (Unit Type: Infantry; Krak Grenades; Signum; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Power Fist; And They Shall Know No Fear; Combat Squads; Combat Tactics)
1 Razorback (Unit Type: Vehicle (Tank); Transport Capacity: 6 models; Access Points: 3; Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Hunter Killer Missile; Pintle-mounted Storm Bolter; Lascannon and TL Plasmagun)

Upgrades! Oh, the madness! Although, to be fair, neither power armor nor ATSKNF are actually upgrades...

Too bad they're all too cheap to really rack the points up.

Fearsome and maxed? Erm...

HQ: Archon (12#, 750 pts)
1 Archon @ 750 pts (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Shadow Field; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades; Animus Vitae)
1 Retinue
7 Incubi (Shredder x2; Tormentor Helm; Punisher x5)
1 Drazhar (Disembowler Blades; Tormentor Helm)
1 Incubi Master (Combat Drug Dispenser; Crucible of Malediction ; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Punisher; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades; Nightmare Doll)
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

HQ: Dracon (12#, 590 pts)
1 Dracon @ 590 pts (Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Punisher; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Retinue
8 Incubi (Shredder x2; Tormentor Helm; Punisher x6)
1 Incubi Master (Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Punisher; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades; Xenospasm)
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 372 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 372 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 372 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 372 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 372 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 372 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 372 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 372 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 372 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 372 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 372 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 372 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Elite: Wyches (20#, 503 pts)
19 Wyches @ 503 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Trophy Rack; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Elite: Wyches (20#, 503 pts)
19 Wyches @ 503 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Trophy Rack; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Elite: Wyches (20#, 503 pts)
19 Wyches @ 503 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Trophy Rack; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Fast Attack: Reaver Jetbike Squad (10#, 382 pts)
9 Reaver Jetbike Squad @ 382 pts (Splinter Pistol; Shredder x2; Splinter Rifle x7; Combat Drugs; Reaver Jetbike)
1 Succubus (Splinter Rifle x1; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Punisher; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades; Reaver Jetbike)

Fast Attack: Reaver Jetbike Squad (10#, 382 pts)
9 Reaver Jetbike Squad @ 382 pts (Splinter Pistol; Shredder x2; Splinter Rifle x7; Combat Drugs; Reaver Jetbike)
1 Succubus (Splinter Rifle x1; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Punisher; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades; Reaver Jetbike)

Fast Attack: Reaver Jetbike Squad (10#, 382 pts)
9 Reaver Jetbike Squad @ 382 pts (Splinter Pistol; Shredder x2; Splinter Rifle x7; Combat Drugs; Reaver Jetbike)
1 Succubus (Splinter Rifle x1; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Punisher; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades; Goblet of Spite; Reaver Jetbike)

Heavy Support: Scourges (10#, 362 pts)
9 Scourges @ 362 pts (Splinter Rifle x5; Dark Lance x4)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)

Heavy Support: Scourges (10#, 362 pts)
9 Scourges @ 362 pts (Splinter Rifle x5; Dark Lance x4)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)

Heavy Support: Scourges (10#, 362 pts)
9 Scourges @ 362 pts (Splinter Rifle x5; Dark Lance x4)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)

Total Roster Cost: 7303

Tipping in the scales at a measly 7303 (it could have been more if I'd upgraded all the lances to Dissies - but t'would have weakened the list. I'm also probably pushing it in suggesting the Scourges are better then Ravagers but, hey, 4 lances as compared to 3, that counts!)

60 Wyches waiting in the Webway along with twenty Incubi and their lords. 6 Raiders bristling with firepower and each a potential portal dropper so it should be easy to open a portal one way or another. Plus 20 Dark lances, scores of Shredders and Blasters, and more Horrorfexes, drugs, and templates then you can shake a stick at.

Overall I wouldn't give it a snowball's chance in hell versus the other lists offered here.

Wraith of doom!

HQ:
Eldrad
Avatar
Elites:
10 Wraith guards x3
Troops:
10 Wraithguardsx6
Fast attacks:
Full upgraded hawk squads x3
Heavy support:
wraith lord with BL and EML and sword x3
Wraith guards all have conceal warlocks
And full upgraded Wave serpents

Dead

Eldar:

HQ:
Farseer - Jetbike, Spear, RoWa, RoWi, SS, Doom, Guide, Fortune, MindWar - 228
Warlocks (10) - Jetbike, Spear, Seer, Enhance - 690

Farseer - Jetbike, Spear, RoWa, RoWi, SS, Doom, Guide, Fortune, MindWar - 228
Warlocks (10) - Jetbike, Spear, Seer, Enhance - 690

Elite:
Striking Scorpions (10) - Exarch w/Scorpion Claw, Biting Blade, Shadow Strike, Stalker - 407
Wave Serpent - TL BLance, SCannon, SS, Star Engines, Vectored Engines

Striking Scorpions (10) - Exarch w/Scorpion Claw, Biting Blade, Shadow Strike, Stalker - 407
Wave Serpent - TL BLance, SCannon, SS, Star Engines, Vectored Engines

Striking Scorpions (10) - Exarch w/Scorpion Claw, Biting Blade, Shadow Strike, Stalker - 407
Wave Serpent - TL BLance, SCannon, SS, Star Engines, Vectored Engines

Troops:
Wraithguard (10) - 399
Warlock - Spear, Seer, Enhance

Wraithguard (10) - 399
Warlock - Spear, Seer, Enhance

Wraithguard (10) - 399
Warlock - Spear, Seer, Enhance

Wraithguard (10) - 399
Warlock - Spear, Seer, Enhance

Wraithguard (10) - 399
Warlock - Spear, Seer, Enhance

Wraithguard (10) - 399
Warlock - Spear, Seer, Enhance

Fast Attack:
Vyper (3) - BLance, SCannon, Holo, SS, Star Engines, Vectored Engines - 495

Vyper (3) - BLance, SCannon, Holo, SS, Star Engines, Vectored Engines - 495

Vyper (3) - BLance, SCannon, Holo, SS, Star Engines, Vectored Engines - 495

Heavy Support:
Dark Reapers (5) - Exarch w/Tempest, Crack, Fast - 427
Wave Serpent - TL BLance, SCannon, SS, Star Engines, Vectored Engines

Dark Reapers (5) - Exarch w/Tempest, Crack, Fast - 427
Wave Serpent - TL BLance, SCannon, SS, Star Engines, Vectored Engines

Dark Reapers (5) - Exarch w/Tempest, Crack, Fast - 427
Wave Serpent - TL BLance, SCannon, SS, Star Engines, Vectored Engines


8,217

Tony, you have missed the point completly.

hmm I wonder how big a table you would need just to deploy some of these forces let alone have a game with them

Witch Hunters:

HQ:
Inq Lord - 2 Force Weapon, Digi-weapons, Inq Mandate, Liber Heresius, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Divine Pronouncment, Hammer of the Witchs, His Will Be Done, Scourging - 801
3x Acolyte - Las Pistol, Combi-Melta
3x Familiar
3x Gun Servitor - 2xMM, 1xPC
Land Raider - All Wargear

Cannoness - Inferno Pistol, Blessed Weapon, Cloak, Litanies, Mantle, MCW, Rosarius - 680
Celestains (9) - Melta, MM, Frag, Krak, Imagifer, Sacred Banner, VSS (PP, Evis, All Wargear, Melta Bombs)
Rhino - All Wargear

Priest - PP, Evis, All Wargear - 160
Priest - PP, Evis, All Wargear - 160
Priest - PP, Evis, All Wargear - 160
Priest - PP, Evis, All Wargear - 160
Priest - PP, Evis, All Wargear - 160

Elite:
Inq - 2 Force Weapon, Digi-weapons, Inq Mandate, Liber Heresius, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Divine Pronouncment, Hammer of the Witchs, Scourging - 709
Acolyte - Las Pistol, Combi-Melta
2x Familiar
3x Gun Servitor - 2xMM, 1xPC
Land Raider - All Wargear

Inq - 2 Force Weapon, Digi-weapons, Inq Mandate, Liber Heresius, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Divine Pronouncment, Hammer of the Witchs, Scourging - 709
Acolyte - Las Pistol, Combi-Melta
2x Familiar
3x Gun Servitor - 2xMM, 1xPC
Land Raider - All Wargear

Inq - 2 Force Weapon, Digi-weapons, Inq Mandate, Liber Heresius, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Divine Pronouncment, Hammer of the Witchs, Scourging - 709
Acolyte - Las Pistol, Combi-Melta
2x Familiar
3x Gun Servitor - 2xMM, 1xPC
Land Raider - All Wargear

Troops:
SoB (20) - Melta, HFlamer, Frag, Krak, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, MB, All Wargear) - 458

SoB (20) - Melta, HFlamer, Frag, Krak, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, MB, All Wargear) - 458

SoB (20) - Melta, HFlamer, Frag, Krak, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, MB, All Wargear) - 458

SoB (20) - Melta, HFlamer, Frag, Krak, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, MB, All Wargear) - 458

SoB (20) - Melta, HFlamer, Frag, Krak, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, MB, All Wargear) - 458

SoB (20) - Melta, HFlamer, Frag, Krak, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, MB, All Wargear) - 458

Fast Attack:
Dominion (10) - 4x Melta, Frag, Krak, MB, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, All Wargear) - 494
Rhino - All Wargear

Dominion (10) - 4x Melta, Frag, Krak, MB, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, All Wargear) - 494
Rhino - All Wargear

Dominion (10) - 4x Melta, Frag, Krak, MB, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, All Wargear) - 494
Rhino - All Wargear

Heavy Support:
Retributor (6) - 4x MM, Frag, Krak, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, MB, All Wargear) - 474
Immolator - TLMM, All Wargear

Retributor (6) - 4x MM, Frag, Krak, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, MB, All Wargear) - 474
Immolator - TLMM, All Wargear

Retributor (6) - 4x MM, Frag, Krak, Imagifer, VSS (PP, Evis, MB, All Wargear) - 474
Immolator - TLMM, All Wargear

10,060

sniperjolly wrote:Blood Angels

Troops:17,250
6x 30 man jump pack death company with dual thunderhammers-2850 each
Lamartes, Gauridian of the Lost-150

...

I think I win.

Blood Angels Codex wrote:
You can include only ONE unit of Death Company in your army

Cheater!

Not counting Infinite lists

Guard has the biggest possible, did a test for it before BA came out with Army Builder and even after BA the list on page one is one of the most possible points. Nothing else comes close to the 24k pts of guard, 2nd place however is BA at around 15k.

Counting things like Spawn/Lessor Daemons...

Chaos Space marines have infinite potential! As well as they have unlimited scoring units that deep strike near icon bearers then move to objectives. Cha-ching?

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

sniperjolly wrote:Blood Angels

Troops:17,250
6x 30 man jump pack death company with dual thunderhammers-2850 each
Lamartes, Gauridian of the Lost-150

...

I think I win.

Blood Angels Codex wrote:
You can include only ONE unit of Death Company in your army

Cheater!

Not counting Infinite lists

Guard has the biggest possible, did a test for it before BA came out with Army Builder and even after BA the list on page one is one of the most possible points. Nothing else comes close to the 24k pts of guard, 2nd place however is BA at around 15k.

Counting things like Spawn/Lessor Daemons...

Chaos Space marines have infinite potential! As well as they have unlimited scoring units that deep strike near icon bearers then move to objectives. Cha-ching?

Theres an SC that lets you have multiple DC squads

I have a BA list that tops the Guard.

HQ:
Sanguinor - 275
Honour Guard (Champ, Chapter Banner, THx5, SSx5, Melta)- 425
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Astorath - 220
Honour Guard (Champ, Chapter Banner, THx5, SSx5, Melta)- 425
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Elite:
Sternguard x10 (Plasma, PF, Melta Bombs,Combi x7, Lascannon x2) - 360
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Sternguard x10 (Plasma, PF, Melta Bombs,Combi x7, Lascannon x2) - 360
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Sternguard x10 (Plasma, PF, Melta Bombs,Combi x7, Lascannon x2) - 360
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Troops:
Death Company x30 (JP x30, TH x 60) - 2850
Lemartes - 150

Death Company x30 (JP x30, TH x 60) - 2850

Death Company x30 (JP x30, TH x 60) - 2850

Death Company x30 (JP x30, TH x 60) - 2850

Death Company x30 (JP x30, TH x 60) - 2850

Death Company x30 (JP x30, TH x 60) - 2850

Fast Attack:
Vanguard x10 (SS x 10, TH x10, Melta Bombs) - 650
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Vanguard x10 (SS x 10, TH x10, Melta Bombs) - 650
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Vanguard x10 (SS x 10, TH x10, Melta Bombs) - 650
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Heavy Support:
Devastator x10 (Lascannon x4,PF, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bomb) - 315
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Devastator x10 (Lascannon x4,PF, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bomb) - 315
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Devastator x10 (Lascannon x4,PF, Plasma Pistol, Melta Bomb) - 315
Land Raider (HK, MM, EA, Searchlight) - 286

Total Points - 25716

11 Land Raiders
180 Death Company
400 Thunder Hammers
All within 1 FOC.

Black Antelope wrote:
Theres an SC that lets you have multiple DC squads

He took

sniperjolly wrote:Blood Angels
HQ:1897
Astorath the Grim-220
The Sanguinator-275
2xHonor guard squads with dual thunderhammers, chapter banner, melta bombs and a fully decked out LR-701 each

Neither Astorath nor Sanguinor can take mult-DC squads. Also, I have the codex right with me... who lets you take multi-DC squads?

And @ Obsidian, Your list has the same issue. You can't just decide to take 6 squads of Death Company... the codex specifically states only 1 unit per army...

You can however take 1 squad of 30 DC guys and then take 5 DC Dreads, but that will yeild far less points then taking DC+Assault Marines with full upgrades/LRs.

@ Daemon

Look on pg 82 of the BA Codex under Astorath the Grim.

This allows additional DC.

ObsidianRT wrote:@ Daemon

Look on pg 82 of the BA Codex under Astorath the Grim.

This allows additional DC.

My mistake, and a major one at that!

Lol I was looking under his page 45 rules and coudlnt find a mention.

I hope that is not going to be a new standard for Codices (I.E. Having special rules under the descriptor page that differ from those under the Unit summary) as that is entirely misleading and quite rediculous in my opinion.

So then yes,

BA = Most possible points not counting Unlim

Gaurd = Most possible points (With Scoring units) not counting Unlim

Chaos Space Marines = Most possible point counting unlim (Infinite spawn/summoned Lesser daemons)

Chaos Space Marines = Most possible scoring points, counting unlim (Infinite Summoned lesser daemons)

This thread is most...enlightening . Thank you. Please, keep going . Some armies ( Daemonhunters, Necrons, Tau, Black Templars ) are still missing and it would be a shame if the insanity was not taken to its logical conclusion.

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

ObsidianRT wrote:@ Daemon

Look on pg 82 of the BA Codex under Astorath the Grim.

This allows additional DC.

My mistake, and a major one at that!

Lol I was looking under his page 45 rules and coudlnt find a mention.

I hope that is not going to be a new standard for Codices (I.E. Having special rules under the descriptor page that differ from those under the Unit summary) as that is entirely misleading and quite rediculous in my opinion.

Sadly, it is the new style. The new nid dex is crazy - take the HT. You have to look up: Costs p(86), Ranged Weapons (p81-82), CC Weapons (p83), Biomorphs (p84), Rules (p34) and Psy-Powers (p62). How anyone thought that was a good idea, I'd love to know.

Necrons:

HQ:
The Nightbringer - 360
Lord - Warscythe, Chronometron, Destroyer Body, Nightmare Shrowd, Phase Shifter - 210

Elite:
Pariahs (10) - 360
Immortals (10) - Disruption Fields - 300
Immortals (10) - Disruption Fields - 300

Troops:
Warriors (20) - Disruption Fields - 400
Warriors (20) - Disruption Fields - 400
Warriors (20) - Disruption Fields - 400
Warriors (20) - Disruption Fields - 400
Warriors (20) - Disruption Fields - 400
Warriors (20) - Disruption Fields - 400

Fast Attack:
Destroyers (5) - 250
Destroyers (5) - 250
Destroyers (5) - 250

Heavy Support:
Monolith - 235
Monolith - 235
Monolith - 235


5385

Well, I think we have a comtender for smallest maximum Force Org.

Black Antelope wrote:
Well, I think we have a comtender for smallest maximum Force Org.

Smallest in points or in model count?

Daemon-Archon Ren wrote:

Black Antelope wrote:
Well, I think we have a comtender for smallest maximum Force Org.

Smallest in points or in model count?

In points. The Eldar example w. Wraithguard seems to have lowest model count so far.

The SM list before was not the biggest possible if I couted correctly.
Marneus Calgar
Captain
- Max stuff
3x Honour Guard with relic blades, AGLs, digital laser and Chapter Banner and Razorback with max upgrades
Command Squad with Standard, bikes, all with 2x Thunder hammers, storm shields and melta bombs and Razorback (cause they can buy it even if they can't use it)
6x Bike Squads with 2x Powerfist and melta bombs, 2 plasma guns and Attack Bike with multi-melta
3x Vanguard Veteran Squads all with 2x Thunder Hammers and melta bombs and jump packs
2x Terminator Squad with 2 Assault Cannons and 10 chainfists and 1 x Land Raider with max stuff
Terminator Assault Squad with Land Raider with max stuff
3x Devastator Squads with 2x PF, 4 Lascannons, melta bombs and Razorbacks

Should be 12 070 points

Thing is, the org chart change is not a rule for Astaroth himself, it is a change for armies that include him... But I agree, it should still be on his page too.

I think it was the same in the SM: Codex for things like bike SM Captains and in the Ork book for Warbosses and Wazdakka.

Most points I can get out of a one FoC BT army are 10213. But I'm far too lazy to type it in But 14 Land Raider Crusaders are a class of its own

Cpt. Icanus wrote:Most points I can get out of a one FoC BT army are 10213. But I'm far too lazy to type it in But 14 Land Raider Crusaders are a class of its own

Fair enough . We will take your word for it. So, what do we have so far?

1) BA 25716
2) IG 24979
3) DA 13590
4) SM 12070
5) SW 11895
6) Eldar 11013
7) CSM 10255 ( not counting Spawn/Summoned Daemons )
8) BT 10213
9) WH 10060
10 Orks 9911
11) DE 7303 ( with Lance spam )
12) Necron 5385

Troops:
Wraithguard (10) - 699
Warlock - Spear, Seer, Enhance

Ummm....that unit is only 399 points....not sure where the extra 300 are coming from.


Also interested in the $ of the above lists. Eldar wraithguard one might be toward the top at $12.50 per wraithguard.

In the Blood Angles Codex, what is the wording for adding Death Company Dreadnoughts? Would it be possible to swap out one unit of Death Company for a 30 strong squadron of Dreadnoughts?

No, each Death Company Dreadnought still takes up an FOC Troop slot. You'd lose 30 Death Company to fit it in.

NoToTheMan wrote:HA!

i think i win

with 10770 points

HQ:
Calgar with FULL honour guard with 3 thunder hammers and digital weapons for the champions and 27 relic blades and 27 aux grenades and a chapter banner
2240 points
Sicarius with command squad with standard and champion 4 plasma pistols 4 power fists all inside a razorback decked out with TL LC storm bolter HKM DB EA
645 points

Elites:
basically 3 ten man termies with assault cannons 9 chain fists and all in fully loaded land raiders
800 points each

Troops:
6 ten man tactical squads with PP PF melta bombs and a teleport homer for the sergeant and a PG and LC for the marines
and in fully loaded rhinos
325 points each

Fast attack:
3 Vanguard squads with relic blade PP JP and PF
750 points each

Heavy Support:
3 ten man Devastator squads with PP and PF and 4 LC
all in fully loaded rhinos
430 points each


GRAND TOTAL: 10770

WOOT!

For your Tac Squads...buy a Razorback with TL LC. Just because they cannot fit, doesn't mean that you can't buy it. It says you can buy it, and specifies nothing of squad size....you don't have to start the squad inside the transport.

I'm sure I can get space wolves bigger than that... I will report back after my attempts.

most epic thread ever. I think someone with a tremendous amount of disposable income should build that BA army. I think I would fall on the floor laughing for hours if I ever see someone put out 180 death company with jump packs and 2 thunder hammers each.

Rangerrob wrote:

Troops:
Wraithguard (10) - 699
Warlock - Spear, Seer, Enhance

Ummm....that unit is only 399 points....not sure where the extra 300 are coming from.


Also interested in the $ of the above lists. Eldar wraithguard one might be toward the top at $12.50 per wraithguard.

eh, *facepalm*

How did I do that. Anyway, that means the total is 8217 (added to my original post), as 10xSS in the WS is more than 399, so takes over the elite slots.

After some minor corrections ( see above ), the list stands as follows:

1) BA 25716
2) IG 24979
3) DA 13590
4) SM 12070
5) SW 11895
6) CSM 10255 ( not counting Spawn/Summoned Daemons )
7) BT 10213
8) WH 10060
9 Orks 9911
10) Eldar 8217
11) DE 7303 ( with Lance spam )
12) Necron 5385

Still missing the Tau and Daemonhunters. Any takers? Also waiting for that second attempt for the SW.

So I went back over the other guard post, and I picked up on some things I'd missed (I forgot advisors, d'oh!), including that models like commissars and officers can take two powerfists.
HQ: 1870

Creed, kell, nork, heavy flamer, camo cloaks, carapace armor krak grenades vox caster medipack, 2x plasma guns, Master of Ordnance, Officer of the fleet Astropath, chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo), 5 ministorum priests with eviscerators, 2 techpriests with 5 servitors, two carrying plasma cannons.

1345

Straken, regimental standard, heavy flamer, camo cloaks, carapace armor krak grenades vox caster medipack 3x plasma guns, Master of Ordnance, Officer of the fleet Astropath, 2x bodyguards, chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo)

525

ELITES:1590

3x 10 ogryn with chimera chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo)
(530 apiece)

TROOPS:17360

Chenkov, commissar with pair of power fists, medipack, platoon standard, vox caster, heavy flamer, 2x plasma, krak grenades

5 PIS with melta bombs, commissar, 2x plasma pistols, 2x power weapons, plasma gun, vox caster, lascannon, krak grenades (180 apiece) 900

5 lascannon heavy weapons squads, krak grenades (110 apiece) 550

2 special weapons squads with demos 190

50-man conscript squad with send in the next wave 275

6 chimeras (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo) 720

2900

Same as above, except with al'rahem

2920

4 more infantry platoons as above, except without the special characters but with a pair of power fists for the JO.

(2885 apiece) 11540


FAST ATTACK: 1944

3x 3x squads of hellhounds, multimelta, searchlight, stubber, HK, dozer, EA, smoke, camo

HEAVY SUPPORT: 2840

3x 3x squads of executioners with plasma sponsons, hull lascannon, pintle stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo.

+ one of them has Pask 50



---- TOTAL -----

25604 points

946 infantry models

59 vehicles

Ungodly number of guns and assorted weapons.

Are we including allies? If so that SoB list could be several thousand points higher...

Also, Inquisitors cannot take LR's only the Lords can. With Infantry Platoons in the mix SoB come to...

Inq Lord and Retinue - 801
Canoness and Retinue - 787
2x Full SoB Squads - 601 each
4x Guard Platoons - 2185 each
2x Celestians - 531 each
1x Repentia - 410 each
3x Dominion - 494 each
3x Retributors - 391 each

-Total:15681

calypso2ts wrote:Are we including allies? If so that SoB list could be several thousand points higher...

Well, the OP did not mention anything about Allies. But KISS-principle ( mono-Codex ) keeps the number of variables in check.

yeah, if we could include things like allies, all of the guard's pathetic ogryn squads would become 10-man grey knight terminator squads. I think the point is to see how many points you can spend from your own codex.

Space Wolves
14310 pts.
HQ: 595
Logan Grimnar 275
Wolf Lord (2 Thunder Hammer, Wolf Mount, Melta Bombs, Wolf Tooth Necklace, 2 Wolves, Mark of the Wulfen, Belt of Russ, Saga of the Bear) 320

Elite: 3980
1 Wolf Guard Pack (10; Bikes, 2 Thunder Hammer, 1 Mark of Wulfen, All Meltabombs, LRC(all upgrades), Arjac) 1560
2 Wolf Guard Pack (10; Bikes, 2 Thunder Hammer, 1 Mark of Wulfen, All Meltabombs, Razorback (TLAC, Dozer Blades, Storm Bolter, HK, Extra Armour)) 1210

Troops: 7260
6 Wolf Guard Pack (10; Bikes, 2 Thunder Hammer, 1 Mark of Wulfen, All Meltabombs, Razorback (TLAC, Dozer Blades, Storm Bolter, HK, Extra Armour)) 1210

Fast Attack: 1590
3 Thunderwolf (5;Thunder Hammer, SS, Mark of the Wulfen) 530

Heavy Support: 885
3 LRC (all upgrades) 295

it's only 198 hammers. (forgot to add the 20 from the Elite with arjac). the real question: would this be any good ?!?!?!?

The last Ork guy missed out on a couple tricks. Here's what I believe to be the absolute most expensive Ork list possible;

Ghazghkull Thraka - 225

Mad Dok Grotsnik - 160

10x Nobz; 1175
-Stikkbombs
-10x Power klaws
-10x TL shootas
-10x 'eavy armour, cybork bodies, bosspoles, Waagh! banners, ammo runts
-Battlewagon; all upgrades (except reinforced ram), 4x rokkit launcha, zzap gun

10x Nobz; 1175
-Stikkbombs
-10x Power klaws
-10x TL shootas
-10x 'eavy armour, cybork bodies, bosspoles, Waagh! banners, ammo runts
-Battlewagon; all upgrades (except reinforced ram), 4x rokkit launcha, zzap gun

10x Nobz; 1175
-Stikkbombs
-10x Power klaws
-10x TL shootas
-10x 'eavy armour, cybork bodies, bosspoles, Waagh! banners, ammo runts
-Battlewagon; all upgrades (except reinforced ram), 4x rokkit launcha, zzap gun

10x Nobz; 1175
-Stikkbombs
-10x Power klaws
-10x TL shootas
-10x 'eavy armour, cybork bodies, bosspoles, Waagh! banners, ammo runts
-Battlewagon; all upgrades (except reinforced ram), 4x rokkit launcha, zzap gun

30x Boyz; 550
-'Ard Boyz
-stikkbombs
-3x rokkit launchas
-30x cybork bodies
-Nob w/ PK, bosspole

30x Boyz; 435
-30x cybork bodies
-stikkbombs
-3x rokkit launchas
-Nob w/ PK, 'eavy armour, bosspole

30x Boyz; 435
-30x cybork bodies
-stikkbombs
-3x rokkit launchas
-Nob w/ PK, 'eavy armour, bosspole

30x Boyz; 435
-30x cybork bodies
-stikkbombs
-3x rokkit launchas
-Nob w/ PK, 'eavy armour, bosspole

30x Boyz; 435
-30x cybork bodies
-stikkbombs
-3x rokkit launchas
-Nob w/ PK, 'eavy armour, bosspole

5x Deffkoptas; 450
-5x TL rokkits
-5x bigbomm
-5x buzzsaw
-5x cybork bodies

5x Deffkoptas; 450
-5x TL rokkits
-5x bigbomm
-5x buzzsaw
-5x cybork bodies

5x Deffkoptas; 450
-5x TL rokkits
-5x bigbomm
-5x buzzsaw
-5x cybork bodies

10x Flash Gitz;640
-Kaptain Badrukk
-More Dakka
-Shootier
-Blasta
-3x ammo runts
-Painboy
-grot orderly
-11x cybork bodies

10x Flash Gitz;500
-More Dakka
-Shootier
-Blasta
-3x ammo runts
-Painboy
-grot orderly
-10x cybork bodies

10x Flash Gitz;500
-More Dakka
-Shootier
-Blasta
-3x ammo runts
-Painboy
-grot orderly
-10x cybork bodies

TOTAL: 10,365

Daemon Hunters

HQ:
Grand Master - 2xChain Fist, Holy Relic, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Holocaust - 1045
GKT (10) - Psycannon, Holocaust, BC w/2xChain Fist, Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding

Inq Lord - 2xForce Weapon, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Terminator Armour, Banishment, Destroy Daemon, Holocaust, Scourging - 791
3x Acolyte - Combi-Melta, Las Pistol
3x Gun Servitor - 2xMM, 1xPC
3x Familier
Land Raider - All Upgrades

Elite:
GKT (10) - Psycannon, Holocaust, BC w/2xChain Fist, Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 720

GKT (10) - Psycannon, Holocaust, BC w/2xChain Fist, Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 720

GKT (10) - Psycannon, Holocaust, BC w/2xChain Fist, Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 720

Troops:
PAGK (10) - 2xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 425

PAGK (10) - 2xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 425

PAGK (10) - 2xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 425

PAGK (10) - 2xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 425

PAGK (10) - 2xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 425

PAGK (10) - 2xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 425

Fast Attack:
PAGK (10) - 2xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 425

PAGK (10) - 2xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 425

PAGK (10) - 2xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 425

Heavy Support:
GKPS (10) - 4xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 495

GKPS (10) - 4xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 495

GKPS (10) - 4xPsycannon, Justicar w/Bionics, Icon of the Just, MCW, Psy-Bolts, Psy-Hood, Teleport Homer, Unguents of Warding - 495


9,246


It should be noted that both DH and WH would be a lot higher if they used IG troop choices.


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Chaos Daemons


HQ:
Lord of Change - All Upgrades - 365

Lord of Change - All Upgrades - 365

Elite:
Flamers (12) - Bolt - 450

Flamers (12) - Bolt - 450

Flamers (12) - Bolt - 450

Troops:
Horrors (20) - Bolt, Icon, Instrument, Changeling - 385

Horrors (20) - Bolt, Icon, Instrument - 380

Horrors (20) - Bolt, Icon, Instrument - 380

Horrors (20) - Bolt, Icon, Instrument - 380

Horrors (20) - Bolt, Icon, Instrument - 380

Horrors (20) - Bolt, Icon, Instrument - 380

Fast Attack:
Seekers (20) - Gaze, Icon, Instrument - 375

Seekers (20) - Gaze, Icon, Instrument - 375

Seekers (20) - Gaze, Icon, Instrument - 375

Heavy Support:
Prince - MoT, Flight, Instrument, Iron Hide, Might, MoS, Bolt, Soul Devourer, BoM, BoC - 335

Prince - MoT, Flight, Instrument, Iron Hide, Might, MoS, Bolt, Soul Devourer, BoM, BoC - 335

Prince - MoT, Flight, Instrument, Iron Hide, Might, MoS, Bolt, Soul Devourer, BoM, BoC - 335


6,495

A low one, CD.
Interesting that its almost monp-Tzeetch

And the caravan moves on...the numbers are as follows:

1) Blood Angels: 25716
2) Imperial Guard: 25604
3) Space Wolves: 14310
4) Dark Angels: 13590
5) Space Marines: 12070
6) Orks: 10365
7) Chaos Space Marines: 10255 ( not counting Spawn/Summoned Daemons )
8) Black Templars: 10213
9) Witch Hunters: 10060 ( mono-Codex )
10) Tyranids: 9990
11) Daemon Hunters: 9246 ( mono-Codex )
12) Eldar: 8217
13) Dark Eldar: 7303 ( with Dark Lances )
14) Chaos Daemons: 6495
15) Necrons: 5385

EDIT: Hhmm. Interesting. All the armies at 10K or under are the older pre-5th ones ( Chaos Daemons/Tyranids being the exceptions ).
EDIT 2: Removed "spam" from DE description.
EDIT 3: Ooops. Missed the Nids.

calypso2ts wrote:Are we including allies? If so that SoB list could be several thousand points higher...

Also, Inquisitors cannot take LR's only the Lords can.

What gives you that idea?
Any Inq/Inq Lord can take a retinue (of 0-6 and 3-12 respectivly) and any Inq retinue can take a transport. These transports are Rhino, Chimera and Land Raider.

Why are we accrediting the DE list as 'lance spam'? I've only got 20 lances in it, I could have put in 27 and it would have made the list less points.

If anything it's kinda WWP spam, since I put in 6 (at 50 points a pop) just to sort of increase point totals and justify the footslogging Wych squads.

Thor665 wrote:Why are we accrediting the DE list as 'lance spam'? I've only got 20 lances in it, I could have put in 27 and it would have made the list less points.

If anything it's kinda WWP spam, since I put in 6 (at 50 points a pop) just to sort of increase point totals and justify the footslogging Wych squads.

Well, it was just a convenient short-hand, to differentiate from having a "spam" of the other possible weapon. For the record I do count 20 Dark Lances as "spam", having had the misfortunate of having faced such a force once. It was not pretty .

I´ll change the desciption to just "with Dark Lances" or something.

Thor665 wrote:Why are we accrediting the DE list as 'lance spam'? I've only got 20 lances in it, I could have put in 27 and it would have made the list less points.

If anything it's kinda WWP spam, since I put in 6 (at 50 points a pop) just to sort of increase point totals and justify the footslogging Wych squads.

I think its becuase your list has attempted to be competive (or at least useable), rather than simply getting the most expensive stuff in as possible.

This isn't really Tactics, so I'm moving it to 40K General Discussions.

Now the real challenge: pit any of these lists against each other and finish the game in a standard tournament round

Ratbarf wrote:I would house rule no infinite lists...

Dark Angels

Azrael 225
- Command Squad 2 Plasma Pistols 30, 2 Power Fists 50, 5 Melta Bombs 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Apoth 20, Standard 10, Razorback 50, TL Lascannon 30, Extra Armour 15, Hunter Killer Missile 15, Pintle Storm Bolter 5, Dozer Blade 5
615

Sammael Master of the Ravenwing 205
-Landspeeder

Dreadnought 125
-Venerable 20, MLauncher 10, Heavy Flamer 5, TL Lascannon 20, Extra Armour 15, Drop Pod 50
245

Dreadnought 125
-Venerable 20, MLauncher 10, Heavy Flamer 5, TL Lascannon 20, Extra Armour 15, Drop Pod 50
245

Dreadnought 125
-Venerable 20, MLauncher 10, Heavy Flamer 5, TL Lascannon 20, Extra Armour 15, Drop Pod 50
245

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100, Apothecary 15, Standard Bearer 25
485

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100
445

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100
445

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100
445

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100
445

Ravenwing Attack Squadron 120
- 3 Bikers 100, Plasma Pistol 15, Meltabombs 5, Powerfist 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Attack Bike 50, Landspeeder 100
445

Ravenwing Support Squadron 65
- 4 Landspeeders 260, Typhoon Missile Launcher 10, HEavy Flamer 10, Assault Cannon 35
380

Ravenwing Support Squadron 65
- 4 Landspeeders 260, Typhoon Missile Launcher 10, HEavy Flamer 10, Assault Cannon 35
380

Ravenwing Support Squadron 65
- 4 Landspeeders 260, Typhoon Missile Launcher 10, HEavy Flamer 10, Assault Cannon 35
380

Landraider 250
- Storm Bolter 5, HK Missile 15, Extra Armour 15
285

Landraider 250
- Storm Bolter 5, HK Missile 15, Extra Armour 15
285

Landraider 250
- Storm Bolter 5, HK Missile 15, Extra Armour 15
285

6705 Pre Techmarines, I can have 1 Techmarine per non dedicated transport vehicle.

Techmarine 75
- Plasma Pistol 15, Servo-Harness 25, 4 Servitors 100, 4 Plasma Cannons 40
255 x 27 = 6885

Total of 13590 and 109 Plasma Cannons.

This list is false. You can only get Techmarines for Heavy and Elite Vehicle choices. Not Fast Attack

This is the biggest you can get a DA army

Dark Angels:

HQ:
Azrael 225
- Command Squad 2 Plasma Pistols 30, 2 Power Fists 50, 5 Melta Bombs 25, 2 Plasma Guns 30, Apoth 20, Standard 10, Chapter banner 15, Razorback 50, TL Lascannon 30, Extra Armour 15, Hunter Killer Missile 15, Pintle Storm Bolter 5, Dozer Blade 5
630

Sammael - 205pts

Elites:

Vet Sqd (10 man, 3x TH, 10x SS, 10x Melta Bomb, P.gun, Plasma Cannon, Razorback{Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, TL Las Cannon}) - 595

Vet Sqd (10 man, 3x TH, 10x SS, 10x Melta Bomb, P.gun, Plasma Cannon, Razorback{Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, TL Las Cannon}) - 595

Vet Sqd (10 man, 3x TH, 10x SS, 10x Melta Bomb, P.gun, Plasma Cannon, Razorback{Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, TL Las Cannon}) - 595

Troops:

Ravenwing Attack Sqd (6 bikers, A.Bike, Landspeeder, PF, Standard bearer, apoth, 2x P.Gun, P.gun, Melta Bomb) - 485pts

Ravenwing Attack Sqd (6 bikers, A.Bike, Landspeeder, PF, 2x P.Gun, P.gun, Melta Bomb) - 445pts

Ravenwing Attack Sqd (6 bikers, A.Bike, Landspeeder, PF, 2x P.Gun, P.gun, Melta Bomb) - 445pts

Ravenwing Attack Sqd (6 bikers, A.Bike, Landspeeder, PF, 2x P.Gun, P.gun, Melta Bomb) - 445pts

Ravenwing Attack Sqd (6 bikers, A.Bike, Landspeeder, PF, 2x P.Gun, P.gun, Melta Bomb) - 445pts

Ravenwing Attack Sqd (6 bikers, A.Bike, Landspeeder, PF, 2x P.Gun, P.gun, Melta Bomb) - 445pts

Fast Attack:

Ravenwing Attack Sqd (6 bikers, A.Bike, Landspeeder, PF, 2x P.Gun, P.gun, Melta Bomb) - 445pts

Ravenwing Attack Sqd (6 bikers, A.Bike, Landspeeder, PF, 2x P.Gun, P.gun, Melta Bomb) - 445pts

Ravenwing Attack Sqd (6 bikers, A.Bike, Landspeeder, PF, 2x P.Gun, P.gun, Melta Bomb) - 445pts

Heavy:

Dev Squad (10 man, P.Pistol, P.Fist, Melta Bomb, 4xLas Cannons, Razorback{Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, TL Lascannon}) - 470pts

Dev Squad (10 man, P.Pistol, P.Fist, Melta Bomb, 4xLas Cannons, Razorback{Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, TL Lascannon}) - 470pts

Dev Squad (10 man, P.Pistol, P.Fist, Melta Bomb, 4xLas Cannons, Razorback{Storm Bolter, Hunter Killer, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, TL Lascannon}) - 470pts

Pts:8075

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Now the real challenge: pit any of these lists against each other and finish the game in a standard tournament round

Might be a story idea for an epic Apocalypse match ."So, how many Thunderhammers does your army have? I have 586."

EDIT: Ah, there seems to a challenge to the Dark Angel list. Can we have a third opinion in order to verify the results? Plus, we are still missing the Tau Empire.

Black Antelope wrote:6,495

Interesting... I would've assumed we'd do better than that, but apparently I was wrong. I suppose the max squad sizes are smaller than many other codexes', and we don't have dedicated transports to squeeze extra points out with.
I wouldn't want to try playing this army. Trying to DS 6 20-strong units of horrors and 3 20-strong units of seekers onto any table I've ever seen 40K played on would just be an exercise in rolling mishaps. ("Okay, if I put them here, there'll be enough space between this building and that one that none of the seekers will end up on a wall. And... scatter 2" into a wall. Mishap roll... and then next unit of seekers...")

A-P wrote:

Cannerus_The_Unbearable wrote:Now the real challenge: pit any of these lists against each other and finish the game in a standard tournament round

Might be a story idea for an epic Apocalypse match ."So, how many Thunderhammers does your army have? I have 586."

EDIT: Ah, there seems to a challenge to the Dark Angel list. Can we have a third opinion in order to verify the results? Plus, we are still missing the Tau Empire.

One thing, IIRC, Apoc let's you take anything.

Therefore, I would take about 1000 dreads, 200,000,000 LRs, and enough Assault Termies with TH/SS to make Chuck Norris cry.

JSK-Fox wrote:

One thing, IIRC, Apoc let's you take anything.

Therefore, I would take about 1000 dreads, 200,000,000 LRs, and enough Assault Termies with TH/SS to make Chuck Norris cry.

Sure you can take almost anything in Apoc but that was not the point here. The idea was to pitch these fully fleshed FOCs against each other.

I will try Tau later tonight once I get my codex and Army builder, But I don't think it will be very high.

Heres what I came up with for Tau.

HQ:
Aun'Va
2 Honor Guard Squads w/ all options
930

Battlesuit Commander
AFP, CIB, Shield Gen, 2 Marker Drones, Iridium Armor, Failsafe Detonator, HW Multi tracker
Bodyguard x2
Each w/ TL Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator, 2 Marker Drones, BK, HWMT, HWTL, HWBSF, 1 Stim, 1 ejection
581

Elite:
Crisis Suit Team
All w/ TL PLasma Rifle, Shield Generator, 2 Marker Drones
Shas'vre w/ BK, HWMT, HWTL, HWBSF
313

Crisis Suit Team
All w/ TL PLasma Rifle, Shield Generator, 2 Marker Drones
Shas'vre w/ BK, HWMT, HWTL, HWBSF
313

Crisis Suit Team
All w/ TL PLasma Rifle, Shield Generator, 2 Marker Drones
Shas'vre w/ BK, HWMT, HWTL, HWBSF
313

Troops:
Fire Warriors w/ both grenades
Shas'ui w/ Markerlight, all wargear
Devilfish w/ SMS, all possible vehicle wargear
441

Fire Warriors w/ both grenades
Shas'ui w/ Markerlight, all wargear
Devilfish w/ SMS, all possible vehicle wargear
441

Fire Warriors w/ both grenades
Shas'ui w/ Markerlight, all wargear
Devilfish w/ SMS, all possible vehicle wargear
441

Fire Warriors w/ both grenades
Shas'ui w/ Markerlight, all wargear
Devilfish w/ SMS, all possible vehicle wargear
441

Fire Warriors w/ both grenades
Shas'ui w/ Markerlight, all wargear
Devilfish w/ SMS, all possible vehicle wargear
441

Fire Warriors w/ both grenades
Shas'ui w/ Markerlight, all wargear
Devilfish w/ SMS, all possible vehicle wargear
441

Fast Attack:
Piranha Squadron
All w/ Fusion Blaster and all possible wargear
650

Piranha Squadron
All w/ Fusion Blaster and all possible wargear
650

Piranha Squadron
All w/ Fusion Blaster and all possible wargear
650

Heavy Support:
Broadside Squad
All w/ TL Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
Shas'vre w/ all possible wargear
248

Broadside Squad
All w/ TL Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
Shas'vre w/ all possible wargear
248

Broadside Squad
All w/ TL Plasma Rifle, Shield Generator
Shas'vre w/ all possible wargear
248

Total: 7790

Feel free to check my math and call out anything I missed. I tried with Farsight and 2 standard commanders, but this was the most expensive.

Sorry Cobra, but both your Elites and HS are too small:

I get:

Elite:
Stealthsuits (5) - 2 FB, 5 DC, 10 Marker Drones
Shas'vre (1) - All Wargear, Shield Gen, 2 Marker Drones
Total - 602

and

Heavy:
Broadsides (2) - 2 TLPR, 2 DC, 4 Marker Drones
Shas'vre (1) - All Wargear, Shield Gen, 2 Marker Drones
Total - 468

Your Troops are too big:
With your build, I get it to be 381p

This can be increased to:
Fire Warriors (9) - EMP, Photon
Shas'ui (1) - All Wargear, 2 Marker Drones
Devilfish - SMS, 2 Seekers, All Wargear
Total - 413


I don't think Au'Va can take Honour Guard squads, just the 2 models already in his points cost. (At least Army Builder says he cannot).

If thats right, the Ethereal maxes out at:

Ethereal (1) - Honour Blade, EMP, All Wargear, 2 Marker Drones
FWH (6) - EMP, Photon
Shas'ui (1) - All Wargear, 2 Marker Drones
Devilfish - SMS, 2 Seekers, All Wargear
Total - 526


I make the new total (assuming I'm right) to be 8,745

Figured I'd make some mistakes somewhere, I can't believed I completely overlooked Stealth Suits.
I misread Aun'Va's honor guard as honor guard SQUADS, woops.
I think I'm right on the troops though, your squad there only has 10 men, it should have 12.
Same with your Honor Guard, you only have 7?
I get 606 for that unit, making it more expensive than a second commander+Bodyguard.
So I see:
Battlesuit Commander + Bodyguard w/ as much as possible
556

Ethereal + Honor Guard w/ everything
606

Elites:
3 of your stealth units @602
1806

Troops:
6 FW squads from my list @441 each
2646

FA:
3 Piranha Squads @ 650 each
1950

HS:
3 Broadside squads @ 468 each
1404

Brings the total up to 8968 (I think).

Hey, Tau players, don't forget about Farsight and his Bodyguard. I'm too tired to do the math myself.

OK, a cup of coffee to get the system started. So the current situation is:

1) Blood Angels: 25716
2) Imperial Guard: 25604
3) Space Wolves: 14310
4) Dark Angels: 13590 ( this result has been challenged, please verify if possible )
5) Space Marines: 12070
6) Orks: 10365
7) Chaos Space Marines: 10255 ( not counting Spawn/Summoned Daemons )
8) Black Templars: 10213
9) Witch Hunters: 10060 ( mono-Codex )
10) Tyranids: 9990
11) Daemon Hunters: 9246 ( mono-Codex )
12) Tau Empire: 8968
13) Eldar: 8217
14) Dark Eldar: 7303 ( absolute maximum can go higher since this version was based on Dark Lances )
15) Chaos Daemons: 6495
16) Necrons: 5385

Tyranids:
Hive Tyrant with wings, adrenal glands, toxin sacs, acid blood, implant attack, toxic miasma, regeneration, twin-linked devourer, heavy venom cannon, hive commander, indescribable horror, old adversary....430 points

Hive Tyrant with wings, adrenal glands, toxin sacs, acid blood, implant attack, toxic miasma, regeneration, twin-linked devourer, heavy venom cannon, hive commander, indescribable horror, old adversary....430 points

3 Tyrant Guard with Boneswords...215 points

3 Tyrant Guard with Boneswords...215 points

HQ: 1290 points

10 Ymarl Genestealers...230 points

10 Ymarl Genestealers...230 points

10 Ymarl Genestealers...230 points

Elites: 690 points

30 Termagants with3 stranglewebs, devourers, adrenal glands and toxin sacs...390 points

30 Termagants with3 stranglewebs, devourers, adrenal glands and toxin sacs...390 points

30 Termagants with3 stranglewebs, devourers, adrenal glands and toxin sacs...390 points

30 Termagants with3 stranglewebs, devourers, adrenal glands and toxin sacs...390 points

30 Termagants with3 stranglewebs, devourers, adrenal glands and toxin sacs...390 points

30 Termagants with3 stranglewebs, devourers, adrenal glands and toxin sacs...390 points

Troops: 2340 points

30 Gargoyles with toxin sacs and adrenal glands...240

30 Gargoyles with toxin sacs and adrenal glands...240

30 Gargoyles with toxin sacs and adrenal glands...240

Fast Attack: 720 points

3 Carnifexes with Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannons, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands, Toxin sacs, Bio-plasma, Regeneration...840

3 Carnifexes with Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannons, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands, Toxin sacs, Bio-plasma, Regeneration...840

3 Carnifexes with Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannons, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands, Toxin sacs, Bio-plasma, Regeneration...840

Heavy Support: 2520

Total Points: 7560

Total Models: 317 Models

I'm going to check on that other 'nid list, I don't know how many points it has.


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ductvader wrote:
9990

3 Hive Tyrants with TL deathspitter and heavy venom cannons
9 Tyrant Guard boneswords
9 Zoanthropes
3 Mycetic spores with venom cannons
54 lashwhip/bonesword deathspitter warriors
6 venom cannon warriors
27 Raveners with deathspitters and rending claws
9 Carnifexes with heavy venom cannons and TL deathspitters

All biomorphs taken, all upgrades taken

3 Hive Tyrants?

So you Should have:

Hive Tyrant with TL deathspitter and Heavy Venom Cannon...210 points

Hive Tyrant with TL deathspitter and Heavy Venom Cannon...210 points

3 Tyrant Guard with Boneswords...225

3 Tyrant Guard with Boneswords...225

3 Zoenthropes...180

3 Zoenthropes...180

3 Zoenthropes...180

Mycetic Spore w/ Venom Cannon...60 points

Mycetic Spore w/ Venom Cannon...60 points

Mycetic Spore w/ Venom Cannon...60 points

9 Tyranid Warriors with Deathspitters and one Venom Cannon...340

9 Tyranid Warriors with Deathspitters and one Venom Cannon...340

9 Tyranid Warriors with Deathspitters and one Venom Cannon...340

9 Tyranid Warriors with Deathspitters and one Venom Cannon...340

9 Tyranid Warriors with Deathspitters and one Venom Cannon...340

9 Tyranid Warriors with Deathspitters and one Venom Cannon...340

9 Raveners with Deathspitters and Rending Claws...405

9 Raveners with Deathspitters and Rending Claws...405

9 Raveners with Deathspitters and Rending Claws...405

3 Carnifexes with TL Deathspitters and Heavy Venom Cannons...600

3 Carnifexes with TL Deathspitters and Heavy Venom Cannons...600

3 Carnifexes with TL Deathspitters and Heavy Venom Cannons...600

Total Points: 6625, which you should've bumped with upgrades. Also, you can get Spods for the warriors.

I'm sure CSm can get bigger than that. For one thing Ahriman is not the next most expensive HQ, a fully decked ourt Sorcerer can come in at 275+.

I will have a look later tonight and attempt to wow you all.

DarkHound wrote:Hey, Tau players, don't forget about Farsight and his Bodyguard. I'm too tired to do the math myself.

I tried it.
His retinue gets expensive but the way he limits the rest of the FOC really cuts down the points. You can't just spam the most expensive squad in each section.
I'll have a look at tyranids once I actually wake up

Crimson Cobra wrote:Figured I'd make some mistakes somewhere, I can't believed I completely overlooked Stealth Suits.
I misread Aun'Va's honor guard as honor guard SQUADS, woops.
I think I'm right on the troops though, your squad there only has 10 men, it should have 12.
Same with your Honor Guard, you only have 7?
I get 606 for that unit, making it more expensive than a second commander+Bodyguard.
So I see:
Battlesuit Commander + Bodyguard w/ as much as possible
556

Ethereal + Honor Guard w/ everything
606

Elites:
3 of your stealth units @602
1806

Troops:
6 FW squads from my list @441 each
2646

FA:
3 Piranha Squads @ 650 each
1950

HS:
3 Broadside squads @ 468 each
1404

Brings the total up to 8968 (I think).

No, you cannot exceed 12 models in total in any squad that has a 'fish in it, as Tau is one of the older 'dexs (like WH/DH) where you cannot buy a transport you cannot fit into. Thats why the squads are smaller, as MarkerDrones are worth more than FWs.

Ahh you got me, maybe I'll do better with 'nids.

HQ: 1310
Tyrant w/ Heavy Venom Cannon, TL Deathspitter, Hive Commander, Indescribable Horror, Old Adversary, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Acid Blood, Implant Attack, Toxic Miasma, Regeneration, Wings
3 Tyrant Guard w/ Boneswords
655

Tyrant w/ Heavy Venom Cannon, TL Deathspitter, Hive Commander, Indescribable Horror, Old Adversary, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Acid Blood, Implant Attack, Toxic Miasma, Regeneration, Wings
3 Tyrant Guard w/ Boneswords
655

Elite: 720
3 Zoanthropes in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon
240

3 Zoanthropes in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon
240

3 Zoanthropes in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon
240

Troops: 3660
9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon
610

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon
610

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon
610

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon
610

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon
610

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon
610

FA: 1755
9 Shrikes w/ Rending Claws, Lash Whips and Boneswords, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs
585

9 Shrikes w/ Rending Claws, Lash Whips and Boneswords, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs
585

9 Shrikes w/ Rending Claws, Lash Whips and Boneswords, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs
585

HS: 2520
3 Carnifex w/ Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannons, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Bio-plasma, Regeneratiion
840

3 Carnifex w/ Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannons, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Bio-plasma, Regeneratiion
840

3 Carnifex w/ Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannons, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs, Bio-plasma, Regeneratiion
840

That brings the grand total to 9965.
Again, feel free to check the list (because apparently I fail at this lol).
If it's true, I'm somewhat ashamed that 'nids are the only 5th edition that can't break 10,000 points.

I'd love to see the BA army fight the Guard army, it would take some doing...

Just as long as the BA player sang the whole of 'Can't touch this' while they were playing. Stop... Hammertime!

By my reckoning, the cost of the BA army would come to £1'345 if you were to buy each squad indervidually. You would also need to shell out an extra £640 pounds for the Thunder hammers, based on the fact TH are not included on the DC sprue.

This brings the combined total to £1'985, or $3'054.92, based on a google conversion.

Death Company sprue comes with 1 thunder hammer. I still think it's a bit cheesy to make each have 2 since the text says "Any Death Company can replace their bolt pistol and/or chainsword with:

Thunder hammer"

RAI was never to have one model with 2 hammers... which doesn't make sence. Or do they get 1 extra attack with it?

You get +1 attack for 2 identical CCWs.

Plus it looks awsome.

If we put Ratbarf's and Rashim's lists together maybe we can get a DA list we all can agree on. I'm not going to rehash any of the undisputed points.

HQ- Azrael, maxed command squad with maxed RB - 630
Sammael - 205
835

Elite- Vet Squad, all with TH, SS, MB and a maxed RB - 770 x 3
(With the FAQ all models can take TH's)
2310

Troops- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 6
RW banner and Apothecary in one - 40
2710

Fast Attack- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 3
1335

Heavy- Maxed LR each with Maxed Techmarine, servitors, and dedicated maxed RB- 670 x 3
2010
___________

Which equals one hour of my life wasted plus....
9200 points

Not very impressive, but that's DA for ya.

Can someone post a pic of a DC marine with two TH? I can only ever find TH for the left arm.

Crimson Cobra wrote:

DarkHound wrote:Hey, Tau players, don't forget about Farsight and his Bodyguard. I'm too tired to do the math myself.

I tried it.
His retinue gets expensive but the way he limits the rest of the FOC really cuts down the points. You can't just spam the most expensive squad in each section.
I'll have a look at tyranids once I actually wake up

What? I don't get it. Isn't the point to spam the most expensive squad in each section?

He means you CANT spam the most expensive models, as the FOC is too limited.

How is it too limited to take the most expensive thing for each slot in every slot? Farsight and his decked out retinue are the most expensive HQ you're going to get, which is what you want.

@Darkhound.

And what if the point cost of the Farsight bomb isn't high enough to justify the lower point cost of the other choices?

Ailaros wrote:I play guard: you all lose

HQ: Creed, kell, nork, heavy flamer, camo cloaks, carapace armor krak grenades vox caster medipack 3x plasma guns, chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo), 5 ministorum priests with eviscerators, 2 techpriests with 5 servitors, two carrying plasma cannons.

1060

Straken, regimental standard, heavy flamer, camo cloaks, carapace armor krak grenades vox caster medipack 3x plasma guns, chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo)

405

ELITES:

3x 10 ogryn with chimera chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo)

(530 apiece) 1590

TROOPS:

Chenkov, commissar with power fist, plasma pistol, medipack, platoon standard, vox caster, heavy flamer, 2x plasma, krak grenades (215)

5 PIS with melta bombs, commissar, 2x plasma pistols, 2x power weapons, plasma gun, vox caster, lascannon, krak grenades (180 apiece) 900

5 lascannon heavy weapons squads (105 apiece) 525

2 special weapons squads with demos 190

50-man conscript squad with send in the next wave 275

6 chimeras (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo) 720

2825

Same as above, except with al'rahem

2845

4 more infantry platoons as above, except without the special characters but with a plasma pistol and power fist for the JO.

(2830 apiece) 11320

Total spent on troops: 16990

FAST ATTACK

3x 3x squads of hellhounds with multimelta, searchlight, stubber, HK, dozer, EA, smoke, camo

1944

HEAVY SUPPORT

3x 3x squads of executioners with plasma sponsons, hull lascannon, pintle stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo.

+ one of them has Pask 50

2840


---- TOTAL -----

24,979 points

946 infantry models

59 vehicles

Ungodly number of guns and assorted weapons.

Holy Crap!!!


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Sanctjud wrote:Chaos Space Marines:

Infinity...

Thats cheating...isn't it?!


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cormz wrote:HQ: Chuck Norris
Elites: none
Troops: none
Fast attack: none
Heavy support: none

Total: more than infinity
The human brain can not understand how much chuck norris is worth. If you put a price on Chuck Norris, he will hunt you down and kill you.

Bows to Chuck!

Here's a BT one that's pretty expensive. BT being limited to a max number of models in order to buy a transport limits the points cost. As well as the fact that our characters can only have so many points spent in wargear.

HQ:

Champion w/ Accept any Challenge
-Unit Cost: 140

Marshal w/ artificer armor, auspex, bionics, combat shield, holy orb of antioch, mastercrafted weapon, teleport homer, terminator honors, frags, kraks, melta bombs and two thunderhammers
-Command Squad, 10 members all with terminator honors and all specialists, two plasma cannons, crusader seals, frags, kraks and furious charge. Each specialist also has artificer armor, auspex, bionics, combat shield (the champion's is free), mastercrafted weapon, teleport homer, melta bombs and two thunderhammers (the champ doesn't as I'm not sure if it allows you to swap his PW he gets as a champion)
-Added on Master of Sanctity w/ artificer armor, auspex, bionics, combat shield, holy orb, mastercrafted weapon, teleport homer, terminator honors, frags, kraks, melta bombs and two thunderhammers + 3 cenobyte servitors
-Transport LRC w/ blessed hull, dozer blade, HK missile, pintle storm bolter, searchlight and smoke launchers
-Unit Cost: 1728

Another Marshal with exactly the same command squad EXCEPT that the standard bearer has a chapter banner
-Unit Cost: 1753

HQ Total: 3621

Elites:

8 Sword Brethren Terminators w/ two cyclone missile launchers, all w/ chainfists, crusader seals and tank hunters
-LRC w/ blessed hull, dozer blade, HK missile, pintle storm bolter, searchlight and smoke launchers
-Unit Cost: 764

Two more of the same unit

Elites Total: 2292

Troops:

Crusader Squad, 10 Initiates and 5 Neophytes, frags, kraks, crusader seals, plasma cannon and melta gun
-LRC w/ blessed hull, dozer blade, HK missile, pintle storm bolter, searchlight and smoke launchers
-Unit Cost: 629

5 more units of the same

Troops Total: 3774

Fast Attack:

Black Templar Assault squad, 10 members w/ kraks and melta bombs, 2 flamers, powerfist and 8 stormshields
-Unit Cost: 301

2 more of the same unit

Fast Attack Total: 903

Heavy Support

LRC w/ blessed hull, dozer blade, HK missile, pintle storm bolter, searchlight and smoke launchers
-Unit Cost: 324

2 more of the same unit

Heavy Support Total: 972

Army Total: 11562

Not to mention 14 Land Raider Crusaders! Yowza! I did try originally to use Helbrecht to force his command squad size up with the neophytes, but the Marshals w/ added Chaplains made it much more expensive.

Tyranids:
Hive Tyrant with wings, adrenal glands, toxin sacs, acid blood, implant attack, toxic miasma, regeneration, twin-linked devourer, heavy venom cannon, hive commander, indescribable horror, old adversary....430 points

Hive Tyrant with wings, adrenal glands, toxin sacs, acid blood, implant attack, toxic miasma, regeneration, twin-linked devourer, heavy venom cannon, hive commander, indescribable horror, old adversary....430 points

3 Tyrant Guard with Boneswords...215 points

3 Tyrant Guard with Boneswords...215 points

HQ: 1290 points

3 Zoenthropes w/ a pod with w/ venom cannons...240 points

3 Zoenthropes w/ a pod with w/ venom cannons...240 points

3 Zoenthropes w/ a pod with w/ venom cannons...240 points

Elites: 720 points

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon...610 points

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon...610 points

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon...610 points

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon...610 points

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon...610 points

9 Warriors w/ Lash Whips and Boneswords, 8 Deathspitters, 1 Venom Cannon, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs in Spore Pod w/ Venom Cannon...610 points

Troops: 3660 points

9 Shrikes w/ Rending Claws, Lash Whips and Boneswords, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs...585 points

9 Shrikes w/ Rending Claws, Lash Whips and Boneswords, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs...585 points

9 Shrikes w/ Rending Claws, Lash Whips and Boneswords, Adrenal Glands, Toxin Sacs...585 points

Fast Attack: 1755 points

3 Carnifexes with Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannons, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands, Toxin sacs, Bio-plasma, Regeneration...840

3 Carnifexes with Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannons, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands, Toxin sacs, Bio-plasma, Regeneration...840

3 Carnifexes with Crushing Claws, Heavy Venom Cannons, Frag Spines, Adrenal Glands, Toxin sacs, Bio-plasma, Regeneration...840

Heavy Support: 2520

Total Points: 9945

Total Models: 107 Models

35 points!

sniperjolly wrote:Blood Angels
HQ:1897
Astorath the Grim-220
The Sanguinator-275
2xHonor guard squads with dual thunderhammers, chapter banner, melta bombs and a fully decked out LR-701 each

Elites:2,238
3x 10 TH/SS termies with decked out LR-746 each

Troops:17,250
6x 30 man jump pack death company with dual thunderhammers-2850 each
Lamartes, Gauridian of the Lost-150

Fast attack:3,483
3x Full vanguard, with land raider, dual hammers and meltabombs.-1161 each

Heavy support:1863
3x full Devs, 4xLC's dual PF sarge and a meltabomb with LR-621 each

Total=26,731
11 land raiders
586 thunder hammers

I think I win.

I can beat you though with my Blood Angels List:

HQ:
Sanguinor - 275
Astorath - 220
2xHonour Guard with Dual Thunder Hammers, Meltabombs and one Squad with Company Standard the other with Chapter Banner both in fully upgraded Land Raiders - 1517

Elites:
3x 8 Man Terminator Sqauds with Assault Cannon and Cyclone Missile Launcher and Chainfists in fully Upgraded Land Raider Crusaders - 2218

Troops:
6x 30 Man Death Company Squad with Dual Thunder Hammers, Jump Packs, Lemartes - 2850 Each plus 150 Lemartes

Fast Attack:
3x 10 Man Vanguard Veteran Squad with Dual Thunder Hammers, Melta Bombs all in Fully upgraded Land Raiders - 3483

Heavy Support:
3x 10 Man Devastator Sqauds with 4 Lascannons, Seargeant with Dual Power Fists and Melta Bombs in fully upgraded Land Raiders - 1863

Total - 26826

EDIT: I have edited the list to be legal as I can. I still have the largest army list though!!!

DashofPepper wrote:A comment in another thread...

That would be me, original thread here. For those keeping count, the largest Space Marine army possible is 12230.

HQ - 3735
1 x Marneus Calgar - 250
1 x Chapter Master - Storm Shield, Relic Blade, Digital Weapons, Artificier Armour, Meltabombs, Hellfire Rounds, Aux. Grenade Launcher, Space Marine Bike - 260
4 x Honour Guard - 7 additional members, Thunderhammer, 10 Aux. Grenade Launchers, 10 Relic Blades - 685
4 x Razorbacks - Twin-Linked Lascannons, Hunter-Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 115
1 x Chapter Banner - 25

Troops - 2250
6 x Tactical Squads - Plasma Gun, Lascannon, 2 Powerfists, Meltabombs, Teleport Homer - 260
6 x Razorbacks - Twin-Linked Lascannons, Hunter-Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 115

Elites - 1880
3 x Terminator Squads - 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers, 9 Chainfists - 505
1 x Land Raider - Brother Chronus, Hunter-Killer Missile, Multi-Melta, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 365

Fast Attack - 2925
3 x Vanguard Veterans - Relic Blade, 19 Thunderhammers, 10 Meltabombs - 830
3 x Razorbacks - Twin-Linked Lascannons, Hunter-Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 115

Heavy Support - 1440
3 x Devastator Squads - 2 Powerfists, 4 Lascannons, 1 Meltabombs - 365
3 x Razorbacks - Twin-Linked Lascannons, Hunter-Killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 115

Total: 12230

Based on the latest, here is the collected list. The Blood Angels hold the first post, with Imperial Guard a close second. Then we have a group of armies in the approximately 10 - 14K range. All the rest can only squeeze under 10K.
If these hypothetical full-FOC armies ever crossed paths, the match between the first and the last could be called something of an anti-climax. The point difference is a staggering 22406 points !

1) Blood Angels: 27791
2) Imperial Guard: 25604
3) Space Wolves: 14310
4) Space Marines: 12230
5) Black Templars: 11562
6) Orks: 10365
7) Chaos Space Marines: 10255 ( not counting Spawn/Summoned Daemons )
8) Witch Hunters: 10060 ( mono-Codex )
9) Tyranids: 9965 ( Multiple contenders, but all consistently hitting the 99xx mark. )
10) Daemon Hunters: 9246 ( mono-Codex )
11) Dark Angels: 9200 ( This is the 3rd offered result so far . The DA are clearly a challenge. )
12) Tau Empire: 8745
13) Eldar: 8217
14) Dark Eldar: 7303 ( absolute maximum can go higher since this version was based on Dark Lances )
15) Chaos Daemons: 6495
16) Necrons: 5385

If you notice some errors in the lists presented, by all means share your observations.

reidy1113 wrote:
I can beat you though with my Blood Angels List:

HQ:
2xHonour Guard with Blood Champions, Dual Thunder Hammers, Jump Packs, Infernus Pistols, Meltabombs and one Squad with Company Standard the other with Chapter Banner both in fully upgraded Land Raiders - 1807

Can't do dual thunderhammers and an infernus pistol, they only have two weapons to trade.

reidy1113 wrote:Heavy Support:
3x 10 Man Devastator Sqauds with 9 Lascannons, Seargeant with Dual Power Fists and Melta Bombs in fully uograded Land Raiders - 2238

Only 4 heavy weapons per Dev squad.

unbeliever87 wrote:
Elites - 1880
3 x Terminator Squads - 2 Cyclone Missile Launchers, 9 Chainfists - 505
1 x Land Raider - Brother Chronus, Hunter-Killer Missile, Multi-Melta, Dozer Blade, Storm Bolter, Extra Armour - 365

Shouldn't one of those be a Terminator Assault squad to open up another Land Raider purchase (-110 for weapons options +295 for fully rigged Land Raider )

Jack

Because the new goal seems to be just seeing how expensive it can be regardless of a competitive concept as originally expressed by the OP I present the following as max point lists for the DE

DE Kabal - 7774
and
DE Wych Cult - 7990

Theoretically there are extra points to be had in Warp Beasts, but since they are outside of the FOC they are not included here for the same logic as the Spawn situation.



HQ: Archon (12#, 806 pts)
1 Archon @ 806 pts (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
1 Retinue
7 Incubi (Shredder x2; Tormentor Helm; Punisher x5; Plasma Grenades)
1 Drazhar (Disembowler Blades; Tormentor Helm)
1 Incubi Master (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Gruesome Talisman; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Plasma Grenades (Squad))
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

HQ: Wych Dracite (11#, 635 pts)
1 Wych Dracite @ 635 pts (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Crucible of Malediction ; Hell Mask; Webway Portal)
8 Wych Retinue (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 381 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 381 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
1 Raider (Disentegrator; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 381 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 381 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
1 Raider (Disentegrator; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 381 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 381 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
1 Raider (Disentegrator; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 381 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 381 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
1 Raider (Disentegrator; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 381 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 381 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
1 Raider (Disentegrator; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Raider Squad (11#, 381 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 381 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
1 Raider (Disentegrator; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Elite: Wyches (20#, 518 pts)
19 Wyches @ 518 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Elite: Wyches (20#, 518 pts)
19 Wyches @ 518 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Elite: Wyches (20#, 518 pts)
19 Wyches @ 518 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Heavy Support: Scourges (10#, 401 pts)
9 Scourges @ 401 pts (Splinter Rifle x5; Dark Lance x4)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Webway Portal)

Heavy Support: Scourges (10#, 401 pts)
9 Scourges @ 401 pts (Splinter Rifle x5; Dark Lance x4)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Webway Portal)

Heavy Support: Scourges (10#, 401 pts)
9 Scourges @ 401 pts (Splinter Rifle x5; Dark Lance x4)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Webway Portal)

Fast Attack: Reaver Jetbike Squad (10#, 431 pts)
9 Reaver Jetbike Squad @ 431 pts (Splinter Pistol; Shredder x2; Splinter Rifle x7; Combat Drugs; Reaver Jetbike)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Splinter Rifle x1; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Animus Vitae; Nightmare Doll; Reaver Jetbike)

Fast Attack: Reaver Jetbike Squad (10#, 430 pts)
9 Reaver Jetbike Squad @ 430 pts (Splinter Pistol; Shredder x2; Splinter Rifle x7; Combat Drugs; Reaver Jetbike)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Splinter Rifle x1; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Haywire Grenades; Archangel of Pain; Goblet of Spite; Xenospasm; Reaver Jetbike)

Fast Attack: Reaver Jetbike Squad (10#, 429 pts)
9 Reaver Jetbike Squad @ 429 pts (Splinter Pistol; Shredder x2; Splinter Rifle x7; Combat Drugs; Reaver Jetbike)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Splinter Rifle x1; Combat Drug Dispenser; Gruesome Talisman; Hell Mask; Shadow Field; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades; Reaver Jetbike)

Total Roster Cost: 7774

==================================================================

HQ: Wych Archite (8#, 611 pts)
1 Wych Archite @ 611 pts (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
5 Wych Retinue (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))
1 Raider (Disentegrator; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

HQ: Wych Dracite (11#, 635 pts)
1 Wych Dracite @ 635 pts (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Crucible of Malediction ; Hell Mask; Webway Portal)
8 Wych Retinue (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Terrorfex; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))
1 Raider (Dark Lance; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Elite: Raider Squad (11#, 381 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 381 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
1 Raider (Disentegrator; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Elite: Raider Squad (11#, 381 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 381 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
1 Raider (Disentegrator; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Elite: Raider Squad (11#, 381 pts)
9 Raider Squad @ 381 pts (Shredder; Splinter Rifle x7; Splinter Cannon; Raider)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Webway Portal)
1 Raider (Disentegrator; Horrorfex; Nightshields; Screaming Jets; Scythes; Slave Snares; Torture Amp; Trophy Rack)

Troops: Wyches (20#, 518 pts)
19 Wyches @ 518 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Troops: Wyches (20#, 518 pts)
19 Wyches @ 518 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Troops: Wyches (20#, 518 pts)
19 Wyches @ 518 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Troops: Wyches (20#, 518 pts)
19 Wyches @ 518 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Troops: Wyches (20#, 518 pts)
19 Wyches @ 518 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Troops: Wyches (20#, 518 pts)
19 Wyches @ 518 pts (Close Combat Weapon; Splinter Pistol; Wych Weapons; Shredder x2; Combat Drugs; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Wych Weapons; Combat Drug Dispenser; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Webway Portal; Haywire Grenades (Squad); Plasma Grenades (Squad))

Heavy Support: Scourges (10#, 401 pts)
9 Scourges @ 401 pts (Splinter Rifle x5; Dark Lance x4)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Webway Portal)

Heavy Support: Scourges (10#, 401 pts)
9 Scourges @ 401 pts (Splinter Rifle x5; Dark Lance x4)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Webway Portal)

Heavy Support: Scourges (10#, 401 pts)
9 Scourges @ 401 pts (Splinter Rifle x5; Dark Lance x4)
1 Sybarite (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Webway Portal)

Fast Attack: Reaver Jetbike Squad (10#, 431 pts)
9 Reaver Jetbike Squad @ 431 pts (Splinter Pistol; Shredder x2; Splinter Rifle x7; Combat Drugs; Reaver Jetbike)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Splinter Rifle x1; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Animus Vitae; Nightmare Doll; Reaver Jetbike)

Fast Attack: Reaver Jetbike Squad (10#, 430 pts)
9 Reaver Jetbike Squad @ 430 pts (Splinter Pistol; Shredder x2; Splinter Rifle x7; Combat Drugs; Reaver Jetbike)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Splinter Rifle x1; Combat Drug Dispenser; Hell Mask; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Haywire Grenades; Archangel of Pain; Goblet of Spite; Xenospasm; Reaver Jetbike)

Fast Attack: Reaver Jetbike Squad (10#, 429 pts)
9 Reaver Jetbike Squad @ 429 pts (Splinter Pistol; Shredder x2; Splinter Rifle x7; Combat Drugs; Reaver Jetbike)
1 Succubus (Agoniser; Power Weapon; Splinter Rifle x1; Combat Drug Dispenser; Gruesome Talisman; Hell Mask; Shadow Field; Soulseeker Ammuniton; Terrorfex; Tormentor Helm; Trophy Rack; Haywire Grenades; Plasma Grenades; Reaver Jetbike)

Validation Report:
1. Dark Eldar Army: Wyche Cult; c-1. File Version: 1.05c For Bug Reports/www.ab40k.org; b-1. Roster Options: Special Characters; a-1. Scenario: Normal Mission
Total points exceed maximum allowed roster size (max 1500).

Total Roster Cost: 7990

Jackmojo wrote:

reidy1113 wrote:
I can beat you though with my Blood Angels List:

HQ:
2xHonour Guard with Blood Champions, Dual Thunder Hammers, Jump Packs, Infernus Pistols, Meltabombs and one Squad with Company Standard the other with Chapter Banner both in fully upgraded Land Raiders - 1807

Can't do dual thunderhammers and an infernus pistol, they only have two weapons to trade.

Actually they have 3 weapons to trade

Sorry that I got some of the rules wrong in my very large Blood Angels list post. I have edited the changes now.


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I'm sorry that I got some of the rules wrong guys. I have edited my Blood Angels list and it is still the largest Blood Angels army.

The 14k Space Wolves list is wrong because taking Logan changes wolf guard to troops and thus they can't take elite slots. I'm not at home right now so I can't redo it. I think if you took Logan and 3 fully upgraded wolf lords you'd have the max Hq. The scouts from the earlier list would be max elites. The wolf guard troop units I believe are correct but I don't remember if wolf guard are limited to just one land raider dedicated transport or if they van all take them. Twolf cav are correct in the FA slots and the long fangs plus dedicated transports are the most expensive HS.

Anyway, bottomline, Wolves can't get up to 14k, if someone could do the correction before I get home, yay.

So who is going to create these....abominations for want of a better discription on Vassal and post a picture of the deployment zone?

Andrew

And the latest collected update:

1) Blood Angels: 26941
2) Imperial Guard: 25604
3) Space Wolves: 14310* This result has been challenged*
4) Space Marines: 12230
5) Black Templars: 11562
6) Orks: 10365
7) Chaos Space Marines: 10255 ( Not counting Spawn/Summoned Daemons )
8) Witch Hunters: 10060 ( mono-Codex )
9) Tyranids: 9965 ( Multiple contenders, but all consistently hitting the 99xx mark. )
10) Daemon Hunters: 9246 ( mono-Codex )
11) Dark Angels: 9200 ( This is the 3rd offered result so far . Please verify. )
12) Tau Empire: 8745
13) Eldar: 8217
14) Dark Eldar: Kabal 7774 / Wych Cult 7990 ( Not counting Warp Beasts )
15) Chaos Daemons: 6495
16) Necrons: 5385

The largest Wolf list I could get was 9900ish - Logan, Bjorn (he is 290 fully decked out) and two wolf lords with only a different Saga and Melta bomb between them, 6 units of 10 WG Termies, one with dedicated LR rest with dedicated Razorbacks. Filled rest with as many points as would fit.

reidy1113 wrote:
Fast Attack:
3x 10 Man Vanguard Veteran Squad with Dual Thunder Hammers, Melta Bombs all in Fully upgraded Land Raiders - 3483

You've cheated again. Your Terminators are cheaper than they could be, but that's for the hammers I guess. Please tell me how you calculated points for the Vanguard Veteran Squads. Did you notice that the sergeant already has a power weapon, and therefore only pays 15 points for a thunder hammer? How can you make a 10-man Devastator unit cost MORE than mine?

10 Devastators, 4 Las Cannons, dual powerfists, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -621

vs.

10 Man Devastator Sqauds with 4 Lascannons, Seargeant with Dual Power Fists and Melta Bombs in fully upgraded Land Raiders - 646

When we're speaking about 170+100+25+25+5+250+15+10+10+10+1?

reidy1113 wrote:
2xHonour Guard with Blood Champions, Dual Thunder Hammers, Meltabombs and one Squad with Company Standard the other with Chapter Banner both in fully upgraded Land Raiders - 1557

Can one Honour Guard (Boltgun/boltpistol + chainsword) be upgraded to a Blood Champion (Power weapon + combat shield) and get a total amount of wargear:

Boltgun + chainsword + power weapon + combat shield?

My list is still the highest LEGAL list this far.

Hey, the DE list would be 75 points bigger if you include a Warp Beasts unit. If you include at least 1 Wyches unit you are allowed to add a unique unit wich doesn't need a slot in Elite options!

Guys. I have not meant to cheat with my Blood Angels army. I just got a couple of the rules wrong. Gimme a break, I've only just started playing Blood Angels and haven't been playing 40K for that long at all. I've edited in changes and it's as legal as I can see atm. Sorry if I've annoyed people. God. Shoot me why don't you guys. Seriously. I'm sorry I got it wrong to start but my addition of points is definitely not wrong because I used an army list maker calculator. It's just some rules that I got wrong. Sorry again.

Baxx wrote:
Can one Honour Guard (Boltgun/boltpistol + chainsword) be upgraded to a Blood Champion (Power weapon + combat shield) and get a total amount of wargear:

Boltgun + chainsword + power weapon + combat shield?

My list is still the highest LEGAL list this far.

He ought to be able to buy upgrades before going champion (like the ork shoota nob) so he should swap his bolter and chainsword for something more expensive.

Jack

I was at a GT this weekend; just edited to post high scores.

reidy1113 wrote:Sorry that I got some of the rules wrong in my very large Blood Angels list post. I have edited the changes now.


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I'm sorry that I got some of the rules wrong guys. I have edited my Blood Angels list and it is still the largest Blood Angels army.

Sorry for being rude.

Erratic_Assassin wrote:If we put Ratbarf's and Rashim's lists together maybe we can get a DA list we all can agree on. I'm not going to rehash any of the undisputed points.

HQ- Azrael, maxed command squad with maxed RB - 630
Sammael - 205
835

Elite- Vet Squad, all with TH, SS, MB and a maxed RB - 770 x 3
(With the FAQ all models can take TH's)
2310

Troops- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 6
RW banner and Apothecary in one - 40
2710

Fast Attack- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 3
1335

Heavy- Maxed LR each with Maxed Techmarine, servitors, and dedicated maxed RB- 670 x 3
2010
___________

Which equals one hour of my life wasted plus....
9200 points

Not very impressive, but that's DA for ya.

Close, but not quite right
Azreal can max out at 635 with cmd sqd
Not sure where the extra 10 points are from but for heavy it should be a max LR (285) + a maxed TM (375) for a total of 660, so its only 1980 points
So the total should be 9175

Made this twice in AB to double check
I know Azreal couldn't normally take a company champion, but the rules state that any command squad may upgrade 1 member to a company champion, and the army includes the master of the 2nd company, so it works, RAW.

Erratic_Assassin wrote:If we put Ratbarf's and Rashim's lists together maybe we can get a DA list we all can agree on. I'm not going to rehash any of the undisputed points.

HQ- Azrael, maxed command squad with maxed RB - 630
Sammael - 205
835

Elite- Vet Squad, all with TH, SS, MB and a maxed RB - 770 x 3
(With the FAQ all models can take TH's)
2310

Troops- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 6
RW banner and Apothecary in one - 40
2710

Fast Attack- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 3
1335

Heavy- Maxed LR each with Maxed Techmarine, servitors, and dedicated maxed RB- 670 x 3
2010
___________

Which equals one hour of my life wasted plus....
9200 points

Not very impressive, but that's DA for ya.

whalemusic360 wrote:
Close, but not quite right
Azreal can max out at 635 with cmd sqd
Not sure where the extra 10 points are from but for heavy it should be a max LR (285) + a maxed TM (375) for a total of 660, so its only 1980 points
So the total should be 9175

Made this twice in AB to double check
I know Azreal couldn't normally take a company champion, but the rules state that any command squad may upgrade 1 member to a company champion, and the army includes the master of the 2nd company, so it works, RAW.

OMG
One would think with this short bus, padded helmet, paint by number DA codex, a couple of smart guys could figure this out.
You are flat out right about the heavies being 660. Must have been an addition error on my part. (that's what I get for working this out by hand)

I am going to stand by the 835 total for HQ, though. It's looking like the command squad is the point of contention. I honestly can't see how you got your total, and I don't want to break any rules by going down the list point by point. So I am going to guess at the differences and explain my choices being as vague as I have to be.

First, only a standard bearer can be upgraded to Azrael's chapter banner, so points have to be spent for a company standard. Next, taking a company champion is a reeeeeaaaal stretch. I say that because a Company Master is the requirement and although Sammael, master of the Ravenwing, is the master of the 2nd company, there is a HQ option specifically called a "Company Master". Secondly, not being an IC, Sammael can never take a command squad (let alone a champion). So, RAW, I would say no. And RAI... What black-blooded, bugs in my face-grill, fallen in my spokes, exhaust breathing RavenF'INGwing champion is going to be caught dead riding shotgun in a rhino, let alone foot-slogging it???

With Sammael, Azrael & banner, command squad with everything (except champion and sacred standard), and the command squad's pimped razorback gets 835 for HQ.

My army total: 9170

I really want to iron this out because, seriously, if I can't add this up I am going to turn in my codex, stop bathing, and buy some space puppies.

@Dashofpepper: Welcome back.

@Nosferatu1001: Can you provide the exact points you got for the Space Wolves?

@Erratic_Assassin: Don´t give in to despair! Remember! You are Dark Angels! The First Legion![i] If you defect to the Wolves, you will be the laughing stock of the whole Adeptus Astartes. Leman Russ ( wherever he might be ) would laugh himself sick .

Space Wolves - 9641

Logan
Bjorn+Las
Wolf Lord - everything, 285 points
Wolf Lord - everything, drop meltabomb - 280

WolfGuard - 1125
- mark, th ss melta
- 2 cyclones, th ss melta
- Arjac
- 6 TH SS melta
- LRC plus everything

5x Wolf Guard - 870 points
- As above but remove arjac, LRC, add a razorback with everything

3xWolf Scouts - 272
- everything possible! snipers, power weapons, etc

3xmax TWC - 385
- again, everything

3x6 long fangs, razorback - 340

Erratic_Assassin wrote:

Erratic_Assassin wrote:If we put Ratbarf's and Rashim's lists together maybe we can get a DA list we all can agree on. I'm not going to rehash any of the undisputed points.

HQ- Azrael, maxed command squad with maxed RB - 630
Sammael - 205
835

Elite- Vet Squad, all with TH, SS, MB and a maxed RB - 770 x 3
(With the FAQ all models can take TH's)
2310

Troops- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 6
RW banner and Apothecary in one - 40
2710

Fast Attack- Maxed RW Attack Squadron - 445 x 3
1335

Heavy- Maxed LR each with Maxed Techmarine, servitors, and dedicated maxed RB- 670 x 3
2010
___________

Which equals one hour of my life wasted plus....
9200 points

Not very impressive, but that's DA for ya.

whalemusic360 wrote:
Close, but not quite right
Azreal can max out at 635 with cmd sqd
Not sure where the extra 10 points are from but for heavy it should be a max LR (285) + a maxed TM (375) for a total of 660, so its only 1980 points
So the total should be 9175

Made this twice in AB to double check
I know Azreal couldn't normally take a company champion, but the rules state that any command squad may upgrade 1 member to a company champion, and the army includes the master of the 2nd company, so it works, RAW.

OMG
One would think with this short bus, padded helmet, paint by number DA codex, a couple of smart guys could figure this out.
You are flat out right about the heavies being 660. Must have been an addition error on my part. (that's what I get for working this out by hand)

I am going to stand by the 835 total for HQ, though. It's looking like the command squad is the point of contention. I honestly can't see how you got your total, and I don't want to break any rules by going down the list point by point. So I am going to guess at the differences and explain my choices being as vague as I have to be.

First, only a standard bearer can be upgraded to Azrael's chapter banner, so points have to be spent for a company standard. Next, taking a company champion is a reeeeeaaaal stretch. I say that because a Company Master is the requirement and although Sammael, master of the Ravenwing, is the master of the 2nd company, there is a HQ option specifically called a "Company Master". Secondly, not being an IC, Sammael can never take a command squad (let alone a champion). So, RAW, I would say no. And RAI... What black-blooded, bugs in my face-grill, fallen in my spokes, exhaust breathing RavenF'INGwing champion is going to be caught dead riding shotgun in a rhino, let alone foot-slogging it???

With Sammael, Azrael & banner, command squad with everything (except champion and sacred standard), and the command squad's pimped razorback gets 835 for HQ.

My army total: 9170

I really want to iron this out because, seriously, if I can't add this up I am going to turn in my codex, stop bathing, and buy some space puppies.

NO!!!1! Dont do that lol
Anyways, i forgot about Azreal's banner upgrade, so I think a detailed hq explenation is required. But before that, and I agree not RAI, but yes RAW "For every company master (Sammy) in the army, one command squad may upgrade one model to a company champion, by replacing [blah blah], for +25 points" doesnt say it has to be the Company masters cmd squad. If a genaric Company master and a Chaplin were your 2 hq choices, you could put it in the chaplins crew. Again, probally not RAI, but thats not what this is. So anyways the HQs:
Sammael, Master of the Ravenwing - 205
Azrael - 225
- Command squad 105, Apoth 20, Comany champion 25, Std Bearer 10 + 15 for Cptr banner, 2x plasma pistols, 2x powerfists, 2xplasma guns - 110, 4xmeltabombs, 20
- Pimp my ride edition Razorback - 120 points
Total HQ cost - 855 points
Which i think will it 9190 points in total. Regardless its in this neighborhood.

Seems the DA question is finally resolving . So the situation is as follows:

1) Blood Angels: 26941
2) Imperial Guard: 25604
3) Space Marines: 12230
4) Black Templars: 11562
5) Orks: 10365
6) Chaos Space Marines: 10255 ( Not counting Spawn/Summoned Daemons )
7) Witch Hunters: 10060 ( mono-Codex )
8) Tyranids: 9965 ( Multiple contenders, but all consistently hitting the 99xx mark. )
9) Space Wolves: 9641
10) Daemon Hunters: 9246 ( mono-Codex )
11) Dark Angels: 9170 ( 9190 pts depending how many Company Champions you can add )
12) Tau Empire: 8745
13) Eldar: 8217
14) Dark Eldar: Kabal 7774 / Wych Cult 7990 ( Not counting Warp Beasts )
15) Chaos Daemons: 6495
16) Necrons: 5385

Okay, sorry about the delay in getting this posted. This is the most expensive, LEGAL, space wolves list one can field. I'll include individual upgrades to avoid confusion.


[MOD EDIT - NO INDIVIDUAL COSTS IN LIST PLEASE!]

Headquarters

Logan Grimnar 275pts

Wolf Lord 100
-thammer
-sshield
-runic armor
-melta bombs
-thunderwolf mount
-2 fenrisian wolves
-MotW
-Belt of Russ
-Saga of the Warrior Born
Total : 340pts

Wolf Lord
- Same as above but two thammers to make different wargear as per Space Wolves codex requirement and Saga of the bear
Total 340 pts

Wolf Lord
Same as above minus melta bombs plus saga of the wolfkin
total 310

HQ total 1265

Elites
-would love to take wolfguard here but cannot as they count as troops.

Venerable Dreadnought 165
-heavy flamer
-twinlinked lascannon
-twinlinked autocannon
-wolftail talisman
-wolftooth necklace
-xarmor 15
-deathwind missile launcher
total 300X3

Total elites 900
note: I chose to follow the saga restriction and not give saga of the majesty to all 3 dreads, otherwise it would be 45 pts more

Troops
Wolfguard pack 1
thammer/sshield x 10
bikes x10
melta bombs x10
motw
Arjac
Land raider crusader
sbolter
hk missile
multimelta
xarmor
total 1560

Wolfguard packs (5 total)
equipped as above less Arjac and LRC, instead lasplas razorback with all upgrades 115
total 1210 x 5

Troops total 7610

Fast Attack
Thunderwolf Cavalry 250
-sshield x5
-meltabombs x5
-thammer
-motw
total 460 x 3

Fast attack total 1380

Heavy Support
Long Fangs
-powerfist x2
-lascannon x5
-melta bomb
-decked out razorback 115
total 385 x3

HS total 1155


Total list size 12310

A-P wrote: Seems the DA question is finally resolving . So the situation is as follows:

1) Blood Angels: 26941

When I attempted to improve my Blood Angels list, I managed to get 27306 points, nobody has complained about it yet. I fixied some errors other lists included.

Baxx wrote:

A-P wrote: Based on the latest, here is the collected list. The Blood Angels hold the first post...

1) Blood Angels: 27791

Who made a 27791 pts list for Blood Angels?

The correct Blood Angels army list for this thread can ONLY be:

HQ =2052

The Sanguinor -275

Astorath The Grim -220

5 Honour Guards, Blood Champion, 5 dual hammers, company standard, melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -771

5 Honour Guards, Blood Champion, 5 dual hammers, chapter banner, melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -786

Elite =2403

10 Terminators, 2 assault cannons, 9 chainfists, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -801

10 Terminators, 2 assault cannons, 9 chainfists, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -801

10 Terminators, 2 assault cannons, 9 chainfists, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -801

Troops =17250

30 Death Company, 30 dual hammers, 30 jump packs, Lemartes -3000

30 x Death Company, dual hammers, jump packs -2850

30 x Death Company, dual hammers, jump packs -2850

30 x Death Company, dual hammers, jump packs -2850

30 x Death Company, dual hammers, jump packs -2850

30 x Death Company, dual hammers, jump packs -2850

Fast Attack =3738

10 Vanguard Veterans, 20 dual hammers, melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -1246

10 Vanguard Veterans, 20 dual hammers, melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -1246

10 Vanguard Veterans, 20 dual hammers, melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -1246

Heavy Support =1863

10 Devastators, 4 Las Cannons, dual powerfists, Melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -621

10 Devastators, 4 Las Cannons, dual powerfists, Melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -621

10 Devastators, 4 Las Cannons, dual powerfists, Melta bombs, Land Raider, Storm Bolter, Multi-melta, hunter-killer missile, extra armour, search light -621

Total =27306

I win, I have the biggest LEGAL list?

How DID you come to that conclusion????

reidy1113 wrote:
Your Honour guard can't have a Blood Champion with Dual Hammers I don't think.
How can 10 Vanguard Veterans have 20 Dual Thunder Hammers. I assume this is just a typo error but just saying.
You can give your Terminators 10 Chainfists can't you??? You've only given 9. Up that to 10 for more points!!!
Nice list. Well done.

Any Terminator can exchange it's powerfist with a chainfist for 5 pts. The Terminator sergeant has of course a power sword, never a power fist. It's an advantage to read the unit entry before making assumptions. This is how it's always been for Space Marine Terminators (since 3rd edition I think), so you can't really complain about not having read the new codex well enough. Even if I had 10 chainfists, it would only give me 3x5 more points.

I added the Blood Champion to the Honour Guards after another list included him with dual hammers. There is nothing in the text that says his new wargear replaces the old. However, I'd be happy to clarify that now, hopefully with some other opinions of people having read the codex better. I think what you're saying is RAI, but RAW might support my version.

All the Vanguard Veterans can have dual hammers, OOPS yeah that's a typo. I fixed it, points stay the same, only paid for legal amount of hammers.

Thanks for the critics though. As long as none of the arguments are wrong, my list stay unchanged and I have the greatest list

CSM fix, I'm sure this is not the biggest you can make (threw it togeather during AOTS) but it is valid according to Army Builder.


HQ: Chaos Sorcerer (1#, 275 pts)
1 Chaos Sorcerer @ 275 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 31 & 93); Krak Grenades; Disc of Tzeentch; Familiar; Melta Bombs; Personal Icon; Mark of Tzeentch; Force Weapon x1; Plasma Pistol; Gift of Chaos; Warptime; Wind of Chaos)

HQ: Chaos Sorcerer (1#, 275 pts)
1 Chaos Sorcerer @ 275 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 31 & 93); Krak Grenades; Disc of Tzeentch; Familiar; Melta Bombs; Personal Icon; Mark of Tzeentch; Force Weapon x1; Plasma Pistol; Gift of Chaos; Warptime; Wind of Chaos)

Elite: Terminators (11#, 870 pts)
9 Terminators @ 870 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x9; Combi-melta x7; Reaper Autocannon x2; Land Raider)
1 Terminator Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x1; Combi-melta x1)
1 Land Raider ((C:CSM, pp. 44 & 101); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dirge Caster; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon x2; Havoc Launcher)

Elite: Terminators (11#, 870 pts)
9 Terminators @ 870 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x9; Combi-melta x7; Reaper Autocannon x2; Land Raider)
1 Terminator Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x1; Combi-melta x1)
1 Land Raider ((C:CSM, pp. 44 & 101); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dirge Caster; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon x2; Havoc Launcher)

Elite: Terminators (11#, 870 pts)
9 Terminators @ 870 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x9; Combi-melta x7; Reaper Autocannon x2; Land Raider)
1 Terminator Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 28 & 94); Terminator Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Chain Fist x1; Combi-melta x1)
1 Land Raider ((C:CSM, pp. 44 & 101); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dirge Caster; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Heavy Bolter; Twin Linked Lascannon x2; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Troops: Plague Marines (21#, 655 pts)
19 Plague Marines @ 655 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Personal Icon; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x17; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2; Fearless; Feel No Pain; Rhino)
1 Plague Champion ((C:CSM, pp. 38 & 97); Blight Grenades; Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Mark of Nurgle; Melta Bombs; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol; Combi-plasma; Fearless; Feel No Pain)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Fast Attack: Raptors (20#, 540 pts)
19 Raptors @ 540 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 34 & 99); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)

Fast Attack: Raptors (20#, 540 pts)
19 Raptors @ 540 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 34 & 99); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)

Fast Attack: Raptors (20#, 540 pts)
19 Raptors @ 540 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 34 & 99); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Close Combat Weapon x19; Plasmagun x2)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)

Heavy Support: Havocs (21#, 650 pts)
19 Havocs @ 650 pts ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x15; Close Combat Weapon x19; Lascannon x4; Rhino)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Combi-melta; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Heavy Support: Havocs (21#, 650 pts)
19 Havocs @ 650 pts ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x15; Close Combat Weapon x19; Lascannon x4; Rhino)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Combi-melta; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

Heavy Support: Havocs (21#, 650 pts)
19 Havocs @ 650 pts ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Icon of Nurgle; Mark of Nurgle; Bolt Pistol x19; Bolter x15; Close Combat Weapon x19; Lascannon x4; Rhino)
1 Aspiring Champion ((C:CSM, pg. 96); Krak Grenades; Power Armour; Melta Bombs; Mark of Nurgle; Combi-melta; Power Fist; Plasma Pistol)
1 Rhino ((C:CSM, pp. 42 & 96); Searchlight; Smoke Launchers; Daemonic Possession; Dozer Blade; Extra Armor; Twin Linked Bolter; Havoc Launcher)

: Summoned Greater Daemon (1#, 100 pts)
1 Summoned Greater Daemon @ 100 pts ((C:CSM, pp. 62 & 102); Close Combat Weapon; Fearless)

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Wow, blood angels are beating out the guard? That is amazing!

@whalemusic360: I am still not sold on the champion, but I'm not going to clutter up the thread with YMDC fodder. We will have to agree to disagree. But in the interest of maxing out the FOC spending spree I will concede.

DA: 9190 of the finest points in the galaxy for the Lion!

Okay.
I'm going to tick some people off here, because this might just cause a list or 3 to be reduced.

The Blood Angel lists posted should not be counted as "legal," if they have Honor Guard, since Honor Guard don't take up Force Org slots.

Now, I know there's a difference between TWO units that don't use them and LIMITLESS units that don't use them, but fair's fair. If one army doesn't get to use "non-FO slot" units, none should.

Eric

MagickalMemories wrote:Okay.
I'm going to tick some people off here, because this might just cause a list or 3 to be reduced.

The Blood Angel lists posted should not be counted as "legal," if they have Honor Guard, since Honor Guard don't take up Force Org slots.

Now, I know there's a difference between TWO units that don't use them and LIMITLESS units that don't use them, but fair's fair. If one army doesn't get to use "non-FO slot" units, none should.

Eric

That's true.

If the honor guard isn't a retinue for the HQ, or isn't taken with the HQ, then it isn't allowed.

Lunchmoney - couple issues with tghe list.

1) You cannot take 10 bikes and 10 TH/SS in the unit with Arjac - as he is a fixed profile. Unless you are upgrading the WG first THEN buying Arjac - but that doesnt follow the costs for Arjac listed in the FAQ (basiuc WG plus upgrade)]

This drops your first troop down to 1470.

2) I get 445 for the TW Cav unit, not sure where you get the extra 15 points from

Ailaros wrote:I play guard: you all lose

HQ: Creed, kell, nork, heavy flamer, camo cloaks, carapace armor krak grenades vox caster medipack 3x plasma guns, chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo), 5 ministorum priests with eviscerators, 2 techpriests with 5 servitors, two carrying plasma cannons.

1060

Straken, regimental standard, heavy flamer, camo cloaks, carapace armor krak grenades vox caster medipack 3x plasma guns, chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo)

405

ELITES:

3x 10 ogryn with chimera chimera (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo)

(530 apiece) 1590

TROOPS:

Chenkov, commissar with power fist, plasma pistol, medipack, platoon standard, vox caster, heavy flamer, 2x plasma, krak grenades (215)

5 PIS with melta bombs, commissar, 2x plasma pistols, 2x power weapons, plasma gun, vox caster, lascannon, krak grenades (180 apiece) 900

5 lascannon heavy weapons squads (105 apiece) 525

2 special weapons squads with demos 190

50-man conscript squad with send in the next wave 275

6 chimeras (heavy stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo) 720

2825

Same as above, except with al'rahem

2845

4 more infantry platoons as above, except without the special characters but with a plasma pistol and power fist for the JO.

(2830 apiece) 11320

Total spent on troops: 16990

FAST ATTACK

3x 3x squads of hellhounds with multimelta, searchlight, stubber, HK, dozer, EA, smoke, camo

1944

HEAVY SUPPORT

3x 3x squads of executioners with plasma sponsons, hull lascannon, pintle stubber, HK, dozer, EA, camo.

+ one of them has Pask 50

2840


---- TOTAL -----

24,979 points

946 infantry models

59 vehicles

Ungodly number of guns and assorted weapons.

You can squeeze a few more points in by giving all the HW team Krak Grenades

Dashofpepper wrote:

MagickalMemories wrote:Okay.
I'm going to tick some people off here, because this might just cause a list or 3 to be reduced.

The Blood Angel lists posted should not be counted as "legal," if they have Honor Guard, since Honor Guard don't take up Force Org slots.

Now, I know there's a difference between TWO units that don't use them and LIMITLESS units that don't use them, but fair's fair. If one army doesn't get to use "non-FO slot" units, none should.

Eric

That's true.

If the honor guard isn't a retinue for the HQ, or isn't taken with the HQ, then it isn't allowed.

Even still, with the removal of the SGD (100 pts) to be in line with the "No free FO slots" rule, my 10660 chaos list beats out the 10320 one and brings chaos up to around 4 or 5th place IIRC
~EDIT~
Also, Removing the Honor Gaurd would put IG in the lead
25604 to 25441

Erratic_Assassin wrote:@whalemusic360: I am still not sold on the champion, but I'm not going to clutter up the thread with YMDC fodder. We will have to agree to disagree. But in the interest of maxing out the FOC spending spree I will concede.

DA: 9190 of the finest points in the galaxy for the Lion!

Fair enough, once I get out of class, I'll post in the YMDC thread and see what the masses think.

So Should we not be using Techmarines, as they also dont take up a FOC slot?

Not in this case - otherwise Chaos SM win....

Crapola - back to AB


Automatically Appended Next Post:
Ok, so techmarine-less DA should be the same as the others except heavy. replace with
Dev squad - 4 lascannons, PF, PP, MB Sgt, Pimped RB for a total of 470 points x3
The final, hopefully correct, total should be 8560. Some check me on this (if using AB, the option for Az's banner is missing, add 15 points to total).

nosferatu1001 wrote:Lunchmoney - couple issues with tghe list.

1) You cannot take 10 bikes and 10 TH/SS in the unit with Arjac - as he is a fixed profile. Unless you are upgrading the WG first THEN buying Arjac - but that doesnt follow the costs for Arjac listed in the FAQ (basiuc WG plus upgrade)]

This drops your first troop down to 1470.

2) I get 445 for the TW Cav unit, not sure where you get the extra 15 points from

Okay, I didn't notice the FAQ for Arjac, so I lose 90pts from the total.

Point two I can explain.EDITED TO COMPLY WITH DAKKA POLICY anyways, I assure you that a fully upgraded thunderwolves unit is in fact 460

Updated Space Wolves max roster = 12220

ps I still think people should be allowed to be stupid enough to upgrade wolfguard first, then upgrade to Arjac.

Ailaros wrote:So I went back over the other guard post, and I picked up on some things I'd missed (I forgot advisors, d'oh!), including that models like commissars and officers can take two powerfists.
25604 points

946 infantry models

59 vehicles

Ungodly number of guns and assorted weapons.

Sorry, but your list is illegal - you have too many special weapons in the command squads. Vox, Standrad, Kell and Medic all take up specail slots.

Best I can make is:

Imperial Guard

HQ:
CCS - Creed, Kell, Nork, Astropath, MoO, OotF, Camo, Carapace, Krak, Medic, HFlamer, Plasma Gun - 655
Chimera - Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber

CCS - Straken, Astropath, 2x Bodyguard, MoO, OotF, Camo, Carapace, Krak, Medic, Standard, HFlamer, Plasma Gun - 510
Chimera - Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber

Priest - Shotgun, Eviscerator - 60

Priest - Shotgun, Eviscerator - 60

Priest - Shotgun, Eviscerator - 60

Priest - Shotgun, Eviscerator - 60

Priest - Shotgun, Eviscerator - 60

Techpriest - Meltabombs - 185
5 Servitors - 2x Plasma Cannon

Techpriest - Meltabombs - 185
5 Servitors - 2x Plasma Cannon

Elite:
Ogryn Squad (10) - 530
Chimera - Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber

Ogryn Squad (10) - 530
Chimera - Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber

Ogryn Squad (10) - 530
Chimera - Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber

Troops:
Platoon 1 - 2885
PCS - Al'Rahem, Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Platoon 2 - 2865
PCS - Chenkov, Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Platoon 3 - 2850
PCS - Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Commander (2x PF, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Platoon 4 - 2850
PCS - Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Commander (2x PF, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Platoon 5 - 2850
PCS - Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Commander (2x PF, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Platoon 6 - 2850
PCS - Krak, Medic, HFlamer, 2x Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PF), Commander (2x PF, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xPIS - Krak, Vox, Lascannon, Plasma Gun, Commissar (2x PW), Sarge (2x PW, MB), Chimera (Camo, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber)
5xHWT - Krak, 3x Lascannon
2xSWS - 3x Demo
Conscripts (50) - SitNW

Fast Attack:
Hellhounds (3) - MM, Dozer, EA, HKM, SLight, HStubber, Smokes, Camo - 648

Hellhounds (3) - MM, Dozer, EA, HKM, SLight, HStubber, Smokes, Camo - 648

Hellhounds (3) - MM, Dozer, EA, HKM, SLight, HStubber, Smokes, Camo - 648

Heavy Support:
Leman Russ Excerutioner (3) - Camo, Lascannon, 2x Plasma Cannon, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber, Pask - 980

Leman Russ Excerutioner (3) - Camo, Lascannon, 2x Plasma Cannon, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber - 930

Leman Russ Excerutioner (3) - Camo, Lascannon, 2x Plasma Cannon, Dozer, EA, HKM, HStubber - 930



25359

=( Its even lower, evn with adding all the Krak you missed out.

Do all those conscripts have send in the next wave (not sure since you did not note except on chenkov's)?

Jack

Jackmojo wrote:Do all those conscripts have send in the next wave (not sure since you did not note except on chenkov's)?

Jack

Snap, I forgot that its all squads, not just the one.

Whos going to do the Geenestealer Cult and squats?

On a real note, I think I'm wrong on the whole Comp champion thing. SO, the for really real, final number for DA is 8540 (-25 for the champion, +5 for another meltabomb).
Thats gotta be it.