as said on the title of the topic verry embarising but roughly a year ago i was banned for ermm borrowing stuff i know outrageous but i was a poor and delinquent person then and the regret i got that day was unimaginable. i absolutely love playing and painting but the past months i feel like im the old man in the cave who was throw out of town. *plus was in hospital and had surgery now i got bionics in my leg!*
now heres where i need your help - otherwise i would not have posted this thread >.>
how do i attempt to lift the ban
am i marked as traitor extremist for life?-will i have to repent my self in a silly costume *k sorry getting a bit off topic*
would i call or show up at the shop
would it be good if they do let me in that i buy some stuff to show that i buy stuff?
see i am not very confident on what to do so if any one can want to understand/hate/love/PURGE AND CRUCIFY me add some advice or personal oppinion
Though I have to ask. Were you "borrowing" from the store itself or from other players?
store itself, off players would have been worse so i'd never go there
An Australian, stealing things? What's the world come to?
Hah, but seriously though, just buy online. I see no reason why they'd let you back for asking nicely.
welcome to australia we stole this country . yeah the only reason i want to go back is that its a battle bunker and is so much more conveniently easier to game and stuff than at other clubs, and easier to travel to
plus i buy all my stuff of ebay now its so much cheaper!
Yea... find another shop. And start praying to the Emperor.
as said above about other clubs, but i will try that
How old were you when you were banned?
How do they remember you after a year? were you a regular?
was aboot 14-15 im 16 now, i wouldnt say regular but i have gone enough times to be noticed. so they would remember me? i gues
Yeah, I can't really think of a good reason for them to let you back into the shop - you've stolen from them, and you've just admitted that you buy all your stuff on ebay. So you basically want to just hang out there? What's in it for the owners? If it was my shop, and you tried to come in again, not only would I kick you out, but I would kick your head in for good measure.
Find a new shop, and try to be less of a ball-bag in future.
Your fethed in that shop then, at least, if it were me calling the shots.
exactly what i thought
Assuming the same manager/staff are there and you are known to them:
It may be better to phone and speak to the manager first. Apologise, and ask if it would be possible to arrange a probationary period
If the manager says no then so be it. The worse that can happen is that things stay as they are.
Hopefully you will get another chance to prove yourself trustworthy and that the lesson has been well learned.
was my plan to do that
Have you ever asked them directly what you asked us?
Like if its perma ban and such or for how long or what can you do to lift the ban etc etc
as said atop so not yet, but i thought maybe the internet people around the world can throw in a opinion as for the ban it was stated that im baned form all gw in australia so i dont know the exact measures but i think its liftable
Yeah, I can't really think of a good reason for them to let you back into the shop - you've stolen from them, and you've just admitted that you buy all your stuff on ebay. So you basically want to just hang out there? What's in it for the owners? If it was my shop, and you tried to come in again, not only would I kick you out, but I would kick your head in for good measure.
Find a new shop, and try to be less of a ball-bag in future.
watchout i do karate!, yea i understand you but i would still buy paints brushes and occasional blister/box there, just bulk minis and army starting off ebay
watchout i do karate!, yea i understand you but i would still buy paints brushes and occasional blister/box there, just bulk minis and army starting off ebay
Again, if it was my shop I would consider it too much of a risk - in my imaginary gaming shop, shoplifting karate experts are NOT welcome! DAS IST VERBOTEN!
EDITED FOR THE DUTCH GUY WHO LOVES GERMAN SO MUCH.
watchout i do karate!, yea i understand you but i would still buy paints brushes and occasional blister/box there, just bulk minis and army starting off ebay
Again, if it was my shop I would consider it too much of a risk - in my imaginary gaming shop, shoplifting karate experts are NOT welcome! DAS IS VERBOTEN!
watchout i do karate!, yea i understand you but i would still buy paints brushes and occasional blister/box there, just bulk minis and army starting off ebay
Again, if it was my shop I would consider it too much of a risk - in my imaginary gaming shop, shoplifting karate experts are NOT welcome! DAS IS VERBOTEN!
watchout i do karate!, yea i understand you but i would still buy paints brushes and occasional blister/box there, just bulk minis and army starting off ebay
Again, if it was my shop I would consider it too much of a risk - in my imaginary gaming shop, shoplifting karate experts are NOT welcome! DAS IS VERBOTEN!
FITZZ wrote: If it was my shop, I'd let you back in...but rest assured you would be working for me for free until I felt you had "redeemed" yourself.
aslong as it has nothing to do with toilets and beartraps....
If it was my shop... it would be out of business
D: 1 blister does not destroy a buisness, besides i had this old idea of big businesses can afford the loss but stealing is not worth it in the long run
physcosamatic wrote:[D: 1 blister does not destroy a buisness, besides i had this old idea of big businesses can afford the loss but stealing is not worth it in the long run
Reading that sentence makes me sad.
Seems like you didnt regret your actions after all.
Sure you regret getting caught and dealing with the inconvenient consequences , yet your sentence speaks another story.
brickhouse wrote:Lets face it, with the extortionate prices GW have, we've all thought about nicking there little plastic men
Speak for yourself, stealing is one of the worst things you can do if I get a whiff of it, and I've never stolen anything in my life... well maybe a peace of candy when I was like 6 or something.
wish i had a dam carton!, it always hard to choose between hobby and indulgence
thanks for all the fast feed back, keep going
and @ soladrin dont do it, cause you'll getaway with it first few times form random places and it will keep happening till something bad happens its sucks you in then spits you out
physcosamatic wrote:wish i had a dam carton!, it always hard to choose between hobby and indulgence
thanks for all the fast feed back, keep going
and @ soladrin dont do it, cause you'll getaway with it first few times form random places and it will keep happening till something bad happens
its sucks you in then spits you out
I just said I have never done it while being aware of it actually being stealing. That, and it's probably one of the most frowned upon things for me. Especially if it happens to someone I know.
Automatically Appended Next Post: You mean Chinese?
And calling American English that, that is just.... no.
Soladrin wrote:German classes? Tss, I live close to the border, and my dialect is 50% German
Well based on your Dutch flag, I figured that was the case I'm mostly just excited by the fact that I actually can (somewhat effectively) speak a foreign language that's not Spanish.
I don't it's a simplified (read crappified) version of a perfectly fine language.
Oh and I speak Dutch, German, English and My Dialect (which can be counted as a language on it's own, cause neither germans and other dutch people know what the hell i'm on)
My dialect is the best of both worlds concerning dutch and german :3
Nope, ENGLISH english. Oh, and I speak Spanish too. Y'know Fate, that language you lot will all be speaking in a few years.
Well, I'm for the side wanting to stop the rising tide of Mexicans breeding themselves into our culture.
If Obama and liberals get their way we will be speaking Spanish in a few years.
Besides, over here in America I have to press "1" for English. If anyone should have to press "1" it should be peoples who's native language isn't English.
Nope, ENGLISH english. Oh, and I speak Spanish too. Y'know Fate, that language you lot will all be speaking in a few years.
Oh god, that's not even funny man. Seriously I don't get it. All the Europeans I have met who have come to the States have learned English. Meanwhile dudes are pouring across our southern border and insisting that we all learn their language. WTF
I shouldn't have to hear "Press 1 for English" and then if I don't press 1 it defaults to Spanish. Erm, I think it should default to English and that the Spanish only speakers need press 1 to get the menu in their language.
I'm American. I complain because I would prefer the sun rise in the West and set in the East; that dinner should be at 6AM and breakfast served at 6PM.
Now, how did this get from a ban for shoplifting to discussing the wrongs and rights of foreign language in the US.
I know if anyone stole from my store (if I owned one), I would not let them back in a million years. I know I love 40k so much I would move to find a FLGS.
Hell, you are fethed trying to get a job as well in most places.
If you do time here in juve for shoplifting it may take years, if never, for that to disappear. Good luck working anywhere near merchandise. Burgers is where you'll be working. Steal from the cash register. Good luck ever handling money as a cashier anywhere.
I'd personally apologize to the manager but don't expect sympathy. Sure people mess up and should, in your case, be given a second chance but it should also be under very closely scrutinized circumstances.
I'd have no objections to you coming back in but you'd be watched like a mouse watched by a hawk.
physcosamatic wrote:as said on the title of the topic verry embarising but roughly a year ago i was banned for ermm borrowing stuff i know outrageous but i was a poor and delinquent person then and the regret i got that day was unimaginable. i absolutely love playing and painting but the past months i feel like im the old man in the cave who was throw out of town. *plus was in hospital and had surgery now i got bionics in my leg!*
Sinner, the Emperor shall provide.
The answer has been transcribed for thee in the holy White Dwarf Issue 109:
HUMAN BOMBS The troops sentenced to service in the Penal Battalions are there for life, and must live under a tremendous burden of guilt; for not only have they committed crimes, but in so doing they have betrayed the Emperor.
However, the Emperor in his mercy has ordained that Penal Battalion troops should have the opportunity to repent and atone for their crimes - hence, the Human Bombs.
Any Penal Legion trooper may volunteer for service as a Human Bomb. In addition to his normal equipment, he is fitted with an explosive harness. The moment he dons the harness, he is absolved by the Emperor and the burden of his guilt is lifted. He also has a chance of freedom, for some of the harnesses are rigged not to explode - if he survives the battle, he is absolved and free.
I remember that rule S'too bad they got rid of it... I guess it makes sense though. The last thing we need right now is someone doing a Tallarn army with a squad of guys weaing dynamite vests
So occasionally I'd stop wandering around aimlessly and catch the really crappy shoplifters.. Like the guy who stole a can of coke and sat down and drank it right outside the shop he just stole from.. Genius buddy.
Anyway my point is scaredy cat kids.. the ones who are actually concerned when they get caught for petty stuff would only get a 6-8 month ban. Life time for one offence is pretty extreme.
First if you are any kind of obvious smartarse, including when you got caught you should just give up now. Smartarse's are only forgiven by nuns.
However you as the repentant one have to consider what example it sends if they let you back in.
That shoplifting is forgivable from this store.. This is a huge problem for you.
Aswell as the other considerations the staff will have to contend with.
Extra headache of having to watch someone known to thieve..
The fact that grubs (thats a technical term there) always lie. Always.
Things I would do in your position..
Sincere apology. Say sorry once and mean it don't continually say it it annoying.
Offer to provide them with full contact details. Full name, Phone and address.
Offer a one chance policy, one mistake and you will leave with no fuss. So like if you were being loud or got into a shouting match then he could tell you to leave forever.
Offer to do something to make up for the crime. IF he has a suggestion you're in luck do it and do it to the best of your ability. Even if its just turning up Saturday morning bright and early to vaccum the store. Or clean the staff toilet.
Finally you need to act like and angel from now on. If you become a smartarse again after a short while they will resent you.
Also if accepted back you need to buy stuff.. even if its just a paint pot.
So thats my advice. And good to see you understanding that stealing is for the stupid.
Also if that seems like too much, I can inform you that you are in fact a grub and should not bother.
I didnt get no segway.. We had a golf buggy though.
We did have a guy like Blart.. Well a little. Most of the permanents were pretty agro dudes though. Or students like I was.
I think my most terrible experience was helping an amnesiac person find their car. You know when he looks at his keys to remember the brand your in for a world of hurt (didnt have a buggy then either had to walk the entire million levels of carpark) Other then Paperwork for all the stupid gak that happens.. takes forever.
Its a terrible job though, in Australia its so easy for the law to turn on you, for just doing your job..
Don't steal stuff from people, especially tiny plastic soldiers.
If they ban you for life, pretend you could have gotten your hands chopped off in some random country, and find somewhere else to play WH40k.
I would not be particularly concerned about not being able to play in a single GW store, simply for the fact that you can usually find other gaming spaces that are far better in quality of experience.
No redshirt, get your gnome like mind claws, off of my purchasing impulse.
Call ahead, when you have a moment that you can go directly to the store and ask who the manager on duty is.
Thank them, and hang up.
It doesn't matter WHO it is. What matters is that you know a manager will be on duty when you show up.
REMEMBER THE MANAGER'S NAME.
When you get to the store, go to the frist employee you see and ask for Mr. (enter manager's last name here).
If he is the guy who banned you, introduce yourself by (full) name and ask him OUTRIGHT if he remembers you. If he does not remember you, DO NOT say, "Nevermind" and consider yourself lucky. : )
If it's not the guy who banned you, or if he is the guy but doesn't remember, introduce yourself by (full) name and tell him what you were caught doing (and when). Give him as many details as you can.
At the end, tell him -point blank- that you know you screwed up. Tell him that, though you weren't a lot younger then, you WERE a lot stupider. Tell him that your outlook on how to behave has changed. Finish with this (or something similar), "I was hoping that you would give me a chance to frequent the store again and prove myself. You won't have any problems from me ever again and, if I ever don't live up to my promise, you can kick me out and I'll never come back to bother you again."
If that doesn't work, you're just not gettig back in.
About 2 months ago, I took five pupils from my school who had been caught shoplifting from a local sports shop. The store manager spoke to them for quite a while, trying to make them realise the error of their ways.
If you are lucky, the store manager will have faith in human nature and will want to give you a chance to redeem yourself.
I suggest
1) Ring up and find out a time you can come in and speak to the store manager. Make sure you schedule a time to arrive. Depending on how the conversation goes, you might mention on the phone why you want to meet with the manager, but not necessarily.
2) I suggest a written letter of apology. Make sure it looks neat and tidy. I suggest asking a responsible adult to proof read it for you. Concentrate not on "Sorry I did it," but instead on "I understand that I damaged people's trust, that I have to do a lot to earn trust again, etc..."
3) Offer to pay some sort of deposit for a 3 month trial period, at the end of which you get the deposit back, or to leave some models at the store, or similar. I doubt the store would be willing or even allowed to do this, but it shows commitment.
4) Provide proof of identity, or proof of identity for a relation to you's identity, along with an address and contact details of a reponsible adult for you.
5) Do not attempt to make excuses, be a smart-arse, or make any jokes. Not for at least 3 months after they let you back in.
tiny5th wrote:I used to be a regular in my local GW three years ago, the staff all knew me and was friends with the manager.
I went back there the other day and only one staff member still worked there from when i was a regular, and he didn't even recognize me.
Chances are you may be lucky and they didn't keep a record of banned customers, and the entire staff will have likely changed by now.
...which does not change the path you should approach it by.
Indeed, bottom line it was wrong, but if he really does want to just go back and join in on the honest fun this time, why declare to the entirely new set of staff that he's a shoplifter and potentially get himself banned for a few more years of not a soul in the shop remembers him?
Whilst you may have genuinely turned a new page and no longer be a thieving little scrote, if they give you another chance they have to do the same thing for everyone who has done the same. It is likely that many of those barred for giving themselves the old five fingered discount would just carry on stealing. Its the whole thing of not having one rule for one and a different rule for another.
It's up to you if you want to try to be let back in, but as said above phone the manager first to seek his or her permission. The last thing you should do is just walk in pretending that nothing has happened, not only is this dishonest but given that you are barred (and dependant on the laws in your country) it may constitute trespass.
Also have you considered the atmosphere in the shop held towards you by staff and customers alike if you are allowed back in. It is unlikely that anyone willl want to play against you and you would have staff watching over your shoulder the entire time your in there.
The bottom line is that you can try to be allowed back in the shop as the worst case scenario would be you are told no, in which case nothing has changed, but for me I think it's best you just find another place to game and chalk this up to doing dumb gak when you were younger.
Silverquine has the right of it. Its not worth the headache to my mind.
That being said, there's some good advice in here. Fifty, in particular, has outlined a very solid approach. Also, Orkeo's idea of placing a deposit on your presence seems reasonable.
I'd say simply go in and call over the manager, say sorry again (If you have already) and hope that he accepts that people can change alot in a year and gives you one of those infamous 'second chances'.
It might be awkward but if you really love the hobby you'll take the shot, and risk the humiliation of being turned down.
That is assuming you never got away with the steal while 'being caught' ;D
No no no, the two guys in a trenchcoat trick is when you go into the GW with nothing on but a trenchcoat, then get the store manager to go into the trenchcoat with you while you take off his clothes...
It might work, although I think you'd have to be pretty desperate to try it.
verry embarising but roughly a year ago i was banned for ermm borrowing stuff 
i know outrageous but i was a poor and delinquent person then and the regret i got that day was unimaginable. i absolutely love playing and painting but the past months i feel like im the old man in the cave who was throw out of town. *plus was in hospital and had surgery now i got bionics in my leg!*
. yeah the only reason i want to go back is that its a battle bunker and is so much more conveniently easier to game and stuff than at other clubs, and easier to travel to
