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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Confirmed by the forthcoming White Dwarf to be July.
And for now at least, in the words of Porky Pig....th-th-th-th-th-that's all folks!
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Post by: mikhaila
ack, well that's.....just wonderful, I think? Crap. Got a WFB GT in July...hmmm, I wonder how early in July?
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Post by: Jin
@mikhaila - you could put out a disclaimer that you guys will continue following v7 rules for the purposes of that specific GT?
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Post by: combatmedic
Cool. Thanks.
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Post by: Bloodthirster
Ooo, guess who's lucky person's Bday it is in July 
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Now if memory serves, 5th Edition 40k kicked off with the release of Black Reach, with the seperate, hardback rulebook being released around September?
Will soon know how it's going to roll and will report back accordingly. Especially if there are any collectors/gamers type sexiness going on.
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Post by: Bloodthirster
I thought it was the other way round mad Dok.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Ah yes. Might well have been. Brain isn't quite what it used to be.
Either way, rather excited to see what shift in the metagame might occur (playing with a lot of tournymentals right now, and it would be nice to see them shift their army)
Not terribly (i.e. at all) convinced by the rumours doing the rounds. A few of them seem quite 'out there'
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Post by: Flashman
Huzzah! Sold my copy of 7th at pretty much the optimum time.
Any hint of changes to come in WD Mad Dok or is it just one of those ambiguous 'Incoming' articles?
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Post by: Bloodthirster
It's a double page spread with Orcs fighting Empire from what I've heard. Cheers, BT.
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Oh and it's says something like Earhammer:July on it as well. Cheers, BT
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Post by: LunaHound
Any info for the miniature contents in the new box?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
About as ambiguous as a Tory Policy I'm afraid.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
About as ambiguous as a Tory Policy I'm afraid. Cast my beady little eye all over the picture, and I cannot report any new models squirreled away anywhere.
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Post by: lasgunpacker
Pretty much as expected. Looking forward to some new 8th edition Empire... maybe I will buy some after I finish painting my zillion points of 5th and 6th edition figures...
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Post by: Bloodthirster
From Warseer;
HE
Seaguard
Swordmasters
hero on Griffon
Obelisk terrain piece
Skaven
Weapon Teams
Lots of Rats
Something bigger than a Clanrat but smaller than an A-Bom/Vermin Lord. That has to be Rat Ogres!
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Post by: Flashman
Oh White Dwarf, a pox on thee. Whatever happened to your sneak peaks eh? Even the whispers in the 'In Brief' sections appeared to have dried up of late.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Still not terribly convinced on the Box Contents rumours, but as ever happy to be proved wrong.
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Post by: Bloodthirster
Agreed, 'tis a shame, I love those lil' rumours they snuck in.
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Post by: Jin
Plastic Swordmasters? That'll be interesting.
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Post by: Flashman
Bloodthirster wrote:From Warseer;
HE
Seaguard
Swordmasters
hero on Griffon
Obelisk terrain piece
Skaven
Weapon Teams
Lots of Rats
Something bigger than a Clanrat but smaller than an A-Bom/Vermin Lord. That has to be Rat Ogres!
I predict a hive of activity on ebay after this release. Intrigued by the Seaguard. Makes a difference from the arbitary Spearmen/Archers they gave us in the 4th Edition box.
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Post by: Jin
Well, assuming this is correct, I'm sold.
Who wants some Skaven?
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Post by: Flashman
Jin wrote:Well, assuming this is correct, I'm sold.
Who wants some Skaven?
Done sir. You can have the pointy ears.
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Post by: Bloodthirster
Someone predicted thsse starter contents. Harry said it was pretty close to the real thing.
High Elf Prince of Griffon
10-12 Lothern Sea Guard
6-8 Sword Masters
5 Silver Helms
Skaven Chieftain
Skaven Warlock Engineer
20+ Skaven Clanrats
10+ Giant Rats with Handlers
20+ Skaven Slaves with Slings
1-3 Rat Ogres
1 Warpfire Thrower Team
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Post by: krusty
moral of the story: buy black reach gobbos while i can if im going to restart the night gob tide, and see what the new starter is gunna be so i can plan a new army...
that is, of course, pending they seriously overhaul the rules in this edition...
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Trouble is, traditionally the two races involved in the Boxed Set get a new army book to accompany. Now sure, the High Elves could get an early update, but Skaven, no chance.
Interesting though.
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Post by: Jin
God I hope those are new Silver Helms.
I have difficulty coming up with creative ways of destroying the plethora of them that I have (they've not aged well).
Also, even with the Griffon, that seems horribly skewed in favor of the Skaven.
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Post by: Flashman
Didn't think Skavenslaves still had slings as an option, or have I just turned a blind eye to it because the current Clanrat/Slaves box doesn't have slings available?
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Indeed they can, and indeed they don't. In that exact order!
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Post by: Alpharius
I hope the High Elf Griffon doesn't have the rider 'molded in', as I'd love to get some plastic Griffons for my Empire army!
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Post by: LunaHound
Flashman wrote:Didn't think Skavenslaves still had slings as an option, or have I just turned a blind eye to it because the current Clanrat/Slaves box doesn't have slings available?
Sling type weapons comes in night runner boxes.
Plastic sword master and Silver helm???
does that mean GW wont make box kit version when HE get update? or they get both versions?
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Post by: Kroothawk
Bloodthirster wrote:Someone predicted thsse starter contents. Harry said it was pretty close to the real thing.
High Elf Prince of Griffon
10-12 Lothern Sea Guard
6-8 Sword Masters
5 Silver Helms
Skaven Chieftain
Skaven Warlock Engineer
20+ Skaven Clanrats
10+ Giant Rats with Handlers
20+ Skaven Slaves with Slings
1-3 Rat Ogres
1 Warpfire Thrower Team
Actually, the other source with an "H" said it was pretty close: 75hastings69 
But that's reliable as well.
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Post by: RiTides
That list does seem slanted to skaven in terms of $ value, on the split... unless the griffon is sweet-tastic 
Very cool if it's true! And huzzah for finally having a date! Take that, GW redshirts who denied it was coming!!!!
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Post by: Platuan4th
Bloodthirster wrote:Someone predicted thsse starter contents. Harry said it was pretty close to the real thing.
High Elf Prince of Griffon
10-12 Lothern Sea Guard
6-8 Sword Masters
5 Silver Helms
Skaven Chieftain
Skaven Warlock Engineer
20+ Skaven Clanrats
10+ Giant Rats with Handlers
20+ Skaven Slaves with Slings
1-3 Rat Ogres
1 Warpfire Thrower Team
If this is true, sign me up for at least 2 of these set. Can never have enough Rats(clan or slaves) in a Skaven army.
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Post by: Jin
With regard to the potential for a newer High Elf book being pushed forward in the update cycle:
While other armies certainly need the updates sooner (Ogres come to mind, as well as O&G), if a lot of the Rumor Mill (tm) is correct, the High Elf army list is going to need quite a bit of an overhaul. Tied with the fact that they're in the new box set, I wouldn't be surprised if a new HE book was under way.
Still, not expecting it.
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Post by: LunaHound
Im betting HE will lose Speed of Asyurean , and only apply to some unit instead of whole faction.
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Post by: Scottywan82
I want plastic HE SO bad.
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Post by: Alpharius
Scottywan82 wrote:I want plastic HE SO bad.
Plastic HE what?
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Post by: Scottywan82
Alpharius wrote:Scottywan82 wrote:I want plastic HE SO bad.
Plastic HE what?
Everything. I hate metal figures.
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Post by: Red9
Scottywan82 wrote:Alpharius wrote:Scottywan82 wrote:I want plastic HE SO bad.
Plastic HE what?
Everything. I hate metal figures.
I'm down for some pastic heavy explosives
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Post by: nyyman
If that box starters contents are true, count me in. Even though I only play as HE, it's always nice to have more models! A plastic Griffon would be VERY nice, and Sword Masters too.
However, didn't anyone notice that HEs would have only one Core unit on the starter box while every other modern-day (Black Reach (in 4th edition SM book), BFSP and the older WFB box with Empire and Orks)?
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Post by: Flashman
Black Reach didn't have a playable Space Marine army either, as the Tactical Squad couldn't be split (legally) into two separate unit choices because of the Missile Launcher (even if you used the 4th Edition Codex).
I say ho hum to this, because you can have some fun games with the starter kits regardless.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Well, no official announcement today. Disappointing.
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Post by: Platuan4th
nyyman wrote:If that box starters contents are true, count me in. Even though I only play as HE, it's always nice to have more models! A plastic Griffon would be VERY nice, and Sword Masters too.
However, didn't anyone notice that HEs would have only one Core unit on the starter box while every other modern-day (Black Reach (in 4th edition SM book), BFSP and the older WFB box with Empire and Orks)?
Flashman wrote:Black Reach didn't have a playable Space Marine army either, as the Tactical Squad couldn't be split (legally) into two separate unit choices because of the Missile Launcher (even if you used the 4th Edition Codex).
I say ho hum to this, because you can have some fun games with the starter kits regardless.
Don't HEs require one less Core unit than everyone else thanks to their re-structured Army builds emphasizing Special and Rare Choices? I could swear at 1000 and under, they only require 1+ Core instead of the usual 2+.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Platuan4th wrote:nyyman wrote:If that box starters contents are true, count me in. Even though I only play as HE, it's always nice to have more models! A plastic Griffon would be VERY nice, and Sword Masters too.
However, didn't anyone notice that HEs would have only one Core unit on the starter box while every other modern-day (Black Reach (in 4th edition SM book), BFSP and the older WFB box with Empire and Orks)?
Flashman wrote:Black Reach didn't have a playable Space Marine army either, as the Tactical Squad couldn't be split (legally) into two separate unit choices because of the Missile Launcher (even if you used the 4th Edition Codex).
I say ho hum to this, because you can have some fun games with the starter kits regardless.
Don't HEs require one less Core unit than everyone else thanks to their re-structured Army builds emphasizing Special and Rare Choices? I could swear at 1000 and under, they only require 1+ Core instead of the usual 2+.
Yes.
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Post by: Karon
This makes me REALLY excited, though I dread the day I have to flop $50 for the new rulebook.
Two L1 bray's throwing two dice each at beastial surge a turn, and if points allow, three dice each....yummy.
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Post by: Kirasu
Magic is also going to be much different Id imagine.. so I wouldnt start planning your strategies just yet
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Post by: Karon
Which is exactly what I'm talking about.
Right now, Beastial Surge is useless, its d6+1 towards the nearest enemy unit, normal if they can't see any, but CAN'T CHARGE, they stop 1" in front of it. Useless.
But if magic changed to before the movement phase (big rumor) than that would make it an EXTREMELY powerful spell, and its a #1 spell, so I will always get it.
Even GW wouldn't be that careless with the beastmen book to make their magic completely useless. As well, the beastmen book further implies that casting values will tend to be higher, as nothing in the beastmen magic is lower than a 7+(keep in mind that one dice can't accomplish anything for Lore of the Wild)
I'll be ecstatic if these rumors hold to be true. Will down-grade magic to not be the terrible QQ-fest it is now, and even more so making magic all-or-nothing than it already is.
I foresee mighty storms brewing on the yonder, but a shining(or rather dark red) light shining on the lands of the Beastmen.
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Post by: Kirasu
Well more to the point is they're going to be mixing up how power dice are generated.. So you may or may not need points to bump them all up to level 2.. who knows
We'll see! Most exciting fantasy has been since 6th edition (Although I had fun in 5th a lot with crazy characters)
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Post by: ShivanAngel
Kirasu wrote:Well more to the point is they're going to be mixing up how power dice are generated.. So you may or may not need points to bump them all up to level 2.. who knows
We'll see! Most exciting fantasy has been since 6th edition (Although I had fun in 5th a lot with crazy characters)
Allegedly!!!!
Hero hammer is going out with 8th edition. They want to go away from one hero charging a full unit and breaking them...
This is all speculation though so who really knows.
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Post by: Ostrakon
Hell yes!
I'm really looking forward to starting a Skaven army (and WFB in general), I'm falling in love with some of the models. Plague Monks, Clanrats and Stormvermin all look wonderful, not to mention their vehicle-type things like that Doomwheel.
Question for the Skaven players, are Night Runners worth playing? The models look kind of gross, like they're too much human, not enough rat.
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Post by: Karon
That look is partly because of the paintjob, possibly too much tallarn flesh.
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Post by: ginger_nid_dude
This rumour about magic before movement makes SUH and to a lesser extent raise dead a little
op. Rear charge with 40 zombies anyone?
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Post by: It
That's good. I suppose.
BUT...
It's the same month as Hordes MK II is set to be released. Decisions, decisions... 
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Post by: LEEQAEX
Awesome news. I wanted to get back into war hammer. Gunna be really good though new rule book , means a big hype over it at first meaning more new beginners or people getting back into fantasy like me . Shame Fallout new vegas is coming out around that time and I want collectors edition of it ¬¬ .Gunna have to save save save.
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
ginger_nid_dude wrote:This rumour about magic before movement makes SUH and to a lesser extent raise dead a little
op. Rear charge with 40 zombies anyone?
But that can already be achieved by casting Van Hels after you've summoned up your Zombies. It does seem a little overpowered, but all it's really doing is changing which spells your opponent will want to dispel as a priority. In this case, you don't want the Zombies there at all, so you dispel the summoning, rather than Van Hels. Mind you, it is entirely possible that units summoned/newly arrived via Magic cannot charge in the same turn, much like deepstriking in 40k. Particularly with the zombie buggery tactic, you don't need anything else to win that combat. Summon Zombies, Bum enemy unit, win combat almost by default, watch as non-ITP troops break and flee. Me, I've my fingers crossed that Dispel Scrolls will be changing. As a Skaven player, there is nothing quite as nut bustingly annoying as going for Dreaded 13th, throwing 9 dice at it (5 Power, 1 Power Stone, 2 chunks of Warpstone), casting it without Irresistible or Miscast, and having this high risk spell stopped by a lame 25 point magic item. Just make it a one off bonus of dispel dice per scroll, with only one being used against any casting. Lovely.
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Post by: Flashman
The thing with dispel scrolls is that they are used to keep the magic phase in check. Whether they are down graded in power depends on whether GW wants 8th to be the "Power Magic Edition"
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Post by: Little lord Fauntleroy
Excellent. Good start for my Skaven, and i can trade of the silly poets to my HE playing mate .
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Flashman wrote:The thing with dispel scrolls is that they are used to keep the magic phase in check. Whether they are down graded in power depends on whether GW wants 8th to be the "Power Magic Edition"
It's just that with Casting Levels seemingly on the rise for the really filthy spells (and quite rightly. Not whinging about that!) I need to invest a lot of points if I intend to capitalise on them. And to have my opponent cockblock my magic phase in such a mundane way is pretty boring. You don't get a dispel against a good shoeing in combat, or indeed against a good bit of old fashioned Dakka, but you can however shut down your opponents magic phase if you so wish, the phase with more inherent risks than the other two...
Purely a personal thing though!
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Use your Total Power Card!!1!
...no...wait...
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
Well exactly! Plus you always have more chance to miscast than get irresistible (Miscast trumps) it really gets up my nose when my opponent has caddied it away. Hmph!
But I'm digressing!
I remain to be convinced still on any rumours whatsoever on 8th Edition. Some seem seriously out there, others more plausible. Either way, waiting to get my paws on the book before trusting owt!
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Post by: Flashman
MeanGreenStompa wrote:Use your Total Power Card!!1!
...no...wait...
I liked the card system. I thought it was quite dynamic and added a level of poker into the magic phase where you had to outguess you opponent.
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Yep, I did too.
Although I had an undead army at the time and Curse of Years was a bit of a raison d'etre with me, so when I got total power it was fairly easy to read my maniacal grin.
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Post by: olympia
I wonder how the changes will affect Dwarfs? Perhaps I'll get the stumpy guys off the shelf.
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Post by: reds8n
Kroothawk wrote:Well, no official announcement today. Disappointing.
Incoming Email
The Warhammer world is a place riven by relentless warfare and the corrupting power of dark magic. It’s a place where vile creatures and titanic monsters roam the lands, where vast armies of evil warriors unleash slaughter upon their victims and only the unceasing valour of the forces of Order prevent the whole world slipping away into chaos and death.
Amidst this tapestry of conflict and carnage are races fair and foul, warriors chivalrous and brutal. These are the combatants who fight for dominance of the world. From the blasted north come warmongering tribes of Chaos Warriors, armour-clad barbarians who have thrown their lot in with the Dark Gods of Chaos. In the Badlands gather the greenskinned marauders known as the Orcs and Goblins, vicious, brutal creatures whose insatiable lust for war grows almost as quickly as their vast numbers. Beneath the cities of the civilised realms nestle the repulsive ratmen, subhuman creatures whose machinations spread disease and distrust – these are the Skaven and they wish only to destroy and dominate all others. Even the forests of the Old World are not safe, for the trees themselves are things of malign presence and the Beastmen dwell within, the children of Chaos – braying beasts who crave slaughter and the chance to enact their savagery on the civilised races.
The Warhammer world is a place where you must bury your dead deeply, for Necromancers and Vampires raise the legions of undeath in their war against the living. Far away in the south the legendary kings of a long-dead kingdom now awaken, leaving their vast tomb cities to wage war upon all under the sun, their skeletal legions a chilling parody of their once glittering majesty.
All these examples of horror are enough to cause weaker hearts to quail, but there are those who resist the darkness, kingdoms and realms that fight for survival. The Empire, greatest of all the nations of Men musters regiments of brave soldiers. Armed with faith in Sigmar, their warrior god, and with tempered steel and black powder weapons they defend their lands. South and east of the Empire lies Bretonnia, a land of chivalry and noble tradition. There, bold knights harken the call of their mighty king and ride out to crusade against the monsters of the Old World. Dwarfs, in their mountain strongholds, are as unyielding as the stone around them as they battle above and below the ground. Loyal allies, but terrible enemies, the Dwarfs are brave-hearted and steadfast as they protect their once-great realm.
In far-off lands the Elves fight out their bitter blood feud against one another – a mighty civilisation that spanned the continents but is now riven with strife and betrayal. Perhaps the greatest warriors in all the world, their numbers are now few and too many of those that remain are lost each day in the unending war between Ulthuan and Naggaroth.
This is a world where victory and death rest upon a knife-edge and the fate of the world, be it damnation or salvation, will soon be decided.
Warhammer, the Game of Fantasy Battles will be released in July. The preparation for this date has been a time of great excitement here in the Studio as we have lavished detail, care and attention onto the rulebook and the fantastic Citadel miniatures range that it accompanies.
Now is the time to gather your regiments, paint your armies and prepare for a battle like never before. If you have a Warhammer army, dust it off and finish up those last few models. If you’ve always been tempted to collect a force there really has never been a better time to start! Warhammer is coming and it’s going to be great.
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Post by: Jin
Did Sigmar's Hammer turn into a rocket?
EDIT: Stupid double post
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
Jin wrote:Did Sigmar's Hammer turn into a rocket?
LMAO well looks like Carl Franz is getting a ranged attack.
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Post by: Kroothawk
So judging from the email, GW will launch a Fantasy tabletop game in July? And the major information is that the game will feature humans, orcs and elves? And people are asked to dust off their Fantasy miniatures?
Seems like they haven't done any marketing for a loong loong time
Small tidbit from Spain: One of the last countries to use centimeters in Warhammer Games will turn to inches as well.
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Hehe, didn't read it till Kroothawk noted that.
Well I suppose that sums up GW's thoughts on Warhammer, obviously none of us are playing. 
Nice to think its only a few months away though.
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Post by: RogueMarket
Never played fantasy in my life, wonder if this is the time to start ;P
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Post by: Lord Harrab
Awesome, I've been looking to start fantasy at some point, but had been put out by rumors that a new edition was inbound, now i can just wait until the new edition comes out.
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Post by: Bloodthirster
Hang on! "The preparation for this date has been a time of great excitement here in the Studio as we have lavished detail, care and attention onto the rulebook and the fantastic Citadel miniatures range that it accompanies...." possiblilty of new new models being relaeased perhaps.
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Post by: Kanluwen
Morathi's Darkest Sin wrote:Hehe, didn't read it till Kroothawk noted that.
Well I suppose that sums up GW's thoughts on Warhammer, obviously none of us are playing.
Nice to think its only a few months away though.
Depending on your area's make-up:
There are huge swathes of their market that sell practically no Fantasy stuff.
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Post by: Kroothawk
But pretending that there is no current Fantasy tabletop game by GW and implying that everyone who has ever bought Fantasy miniatures from GW has his army shelved for years and dust covered, is nothing a professional made promotion text should do. It is as if they are embarrassed by the bad quality of their current product.
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Post by: Buttlerthepug
The cover looks pretty sweet although I like the 7th ed hammer better (that on doesnt look much like dwarf craft... looks fairly chaosy to me :( ) although the twin tailed fire (comet) is a nice touch.
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Post by: Erasoketa
Kroothawk wrote:So judging from the email, GW will launch a Fantasy tabletop game in July? And the major information is that the game will feature humans, orcs and elves? And people are asked to dust off their Fantasy miniatures? Seems like they haven't done any marketing for a loong loong time Small tidbit from Spain: One of the last countries to use centimeters in Warhammer Games will turn to inches as well.
What? Our 8th will be in inches too? Edit: I just chedked my mail and saw the newsletter. Yes, we are going to swap to inches. It also says that they are going to reprint all the current army books changing the measures to inches, correcting the errata, and adapting the rules to the new edition.
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Post by: skyth
I love the part where they suggest you start an army before you see what the rules changes are...
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Post by: Kanluwen
Kroothawk wrote:But pretending that there is no current Fantasy tabletop game by GW and implying that everyone who has ever bought Fantasy miniatures from GW has his army shelved for years and dust covered, is nothing a professional made promotion text should do. It is as if they are embarrassed by the bad quality of their current product.
Or it could just be to build up anticipation for the people who've been inundated with 40k stuff lately
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Post by: c34r34lk1ll3r
WTB O&G updated book and the new TK book if it ever comes out. Hell, I probably wouldn't even contemplate O&G if OK had a new book also.
heres to hoping we get some spoiler pictures from the 8th edition rulebook about some of the armies that need updates.
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Post by: Alpharius
Yeah, that "dust off" comment was...odd.
And I have to admit, given the rumors we've heard so far, I am more than a little worried about where we're headed with this edition.
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Post by: Ostrakon
Alpharius wrote:Yeah, that "dust off" comment was...odd.
And I have to admit, given the rumors we've heard so far, I am more than a little worried about where we're headed with this edition.
Best part of being a new player is being immune to rules changes. And since the army I'm interested in is included in the starter, it's fairly unlikely that they've been nerfed to oblivion by the new rules.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Kroothawk wrote:It is as if they are embarrassed by the bad quality of their current product.
They should be. They have a lot of incredibly dated-looking models still plaguing a lot of the ranges (really ugly metal models at that), and the "dust off" comment is right since I imagine everyone probably gave up on the game a while ago, either that or switched over to Daemons of Chaos, since there's no point in playing anything else. Especially if you're one of the unfortunate ones with an O&G or OK army.
And once again another annoying announcement. " We're all really excited, Warhammer is going to be great!" Yeah, awesome...how about giving everyone else a reason to be excited, too? Or do they expect the news of a new edition, which we already all knew was coming for months now, is enough?
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I hereby endorse the coming of Rockethammer! 
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Post by: BrookM
The Arjack Rockfist crossover is a fact? 
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Post by: Flashman
Bizzare cover and amazingly almost devoid of skulls. There is however a skull on the handle of Ghal Maraz.
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Post by: Karon
God damnit, why am I not getting this email?
Love the confirmation.
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Post by: TBD
That cover is almost as fugly as the helmetless head of the marine on the front of the Blood Angels codex. Absolutely horrible.
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Post by: Flashman
TBD wrote:That cover is almost as fugly as the helmetless head of the marine on the front of the Blood Angels codex. Absolutely horrible.
The really fugly bit on the cover of Codex Blood Angels are the scribbled Assault Marines in the background.
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Post by: TBD
Indeed those aren't pretty either
The artist who did the cover of the Space Wolves codex can do some more if it were up to me.
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Post by: JOHIRA
"This is a world where victory and death rest upon a knife-edge and the fate of the world... will soon be decided. "
OMG GW advancing the timeline????!!!!WUT
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Post by: Kroothawk
Erasoketa wrote: Yes, we are going to swap to inches. It also says that they are going to reprint all the current army books changing the measures to inches, correcting the errata, and adapting the rules to the new edition.
This is a nod to global economy, where metric systems are obviously phasing out
skyth wrote:I love the part where they suggest you start an army before you see what the rules changes are...
Another weird thing. My Skaven army is on hold until I know if spears or two hand weapons are better (and I know the contents of the starter box). I am currently only doing metal models with fixed weapons.
Sidstyler wrote:Kroothawk wrote:It is as if they are embarrassed by the bad quality of their current product.
They should be. They have a lot of incredibly dated-looking models still plaguing a lot of the ranges (really ugly metal models at that), and the "dust off" comment is right since I imagine everyone probably gave up on the game a while ago, either that or switched over to Daemons of Chaos, since there's no point in playing anything else. Especially if you're one of the unfortunate ones with an O&G or OK army.
The rulebook was not the problem, the imbalanced and not thoroughly playtested army books were.
H.B.M.C. wrote:I hereby endorse the coming of Rockethammer!
Sigmar's Hammer is a Kerosin fueld missile now, obviously 
JOHIRA wrote:"This is a world where victory and death rest upon a knife-edge and the fate of the world... will soon be decided. "
OMG GW advancing the timeline????!!!!WUT
That was one of the rumours.
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Post by: malfred
mikhaila wrote:ack, well that's.....just wonderful, I think? Crap. Got a WFB GT in July...hmmm, I wonder how early in July?
I doubt that an edition change will affect your turnout for that particular event. Now
maybe if that tournament were to occur in September, you'd have a different story.
Same month with signups happening now? I think you have yourself a sales device for
8th edition.
"Coming in July! Play 7th edition and buy 8th!"
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Post by: LunaHound
*Edit : wrong thread rofl
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Post by: malfred
I know the comet thing with the hammer is fluff related, but really it looks like they gave it a jetpack.
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Post by: sexiest_hero
The flames look like a woman's legs with a giant Mallet hiding her no-no zone!
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Post by: malfred
sexiest_hero wrote:The flames look like a woman's legs with a giant Mallet hiding her no-no zone!
It's a trap.
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Post by: Kroothawk
Here a translation of the Spanish newsletter part (translation provided by Hoarmurel on Warseer):
The new Edition of Warhammer is an important event, specially in Spain.
We only are going to reveal a little snippet about rules at this moment, and we know it will be a controversial one, somebody will grumble about it, and many will be delighted...
Warhammer will leave centimeters and will become to be placed in inches… Or better, Units of Measurement. In the july issue of WD magazine you’ll find a detailed article explaining the reasons and process of this change.
Anyway, this mutation will affect all the army books, but don’t panic!. You will can still playing with your army books for many years, because we are going to give you some free PDF files in order to update all the data you might need in your games. The current army books are utterly valid with the new edition.
However, we think that is not fair keep selling the same army books in the future, so we are going to re-publish them. The new army books will contain the same information of the current ones, but all the measurements will change to UM. The moment we set out this ambitious change we think, so we are doing this, it worth to correct all the mistakes; So all these books will be corrected without all the mistakes we have located, both english and ours. What’s more, we are going to update all those army books to the rules changes that the new rulebook means, thanks to the close collaboration of the english Studio. Those will be the final army books.
This movement is focused to offer the best customer service possible. The re-printing process will be done in waves throughout a year, starting this next summer. The Warhammer Rulebook will be accompanied by the first wave of books, consisting of the Empire, Skaven, High Elves, Beastmen and Chaos Daemons army books. This new incarnation of Warhammer is so exciting you are going to be amazed with!!
The interesting part is the first batch of reprints, all unlikely candidates for a new army book soon (that included High Elves and Empire). O&G are not in the first batch
Another tidbit: Matt Ward seems to have written the rulebook. His DoC and O&G army books broke the current edition.
Plus: Release is the 10th July (confirmed on GD France).
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Post by: Ixquic
Kroothawk wrote:
Another tidbit: Matt Ward seems to have written the rulebook. His DoC and O&G army books broke the current edition.
Where is this info coming from? I'm really hoping it's not the case since his WotR is a huge mess and I don't want to see him ruin Fantasy...
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Post by: skyth
Kroothawk wrote:
skyth wrote:I love the part where they suggest you start an army before you see what the rules changes are...
Another weird thing. My Skaven army is on hold until I know if spears or two hand weapons are better (and I know the contents of the starter box). I am currently only doing metal models with fixed weapons.
I wouldn't say it's a 'weird' thing. I'd say it's a bit of a underhanded thing. They want people to make armies before the rules change, and then have to buy different models when the rules changes adversely affect thier army or make thier army unplayable.
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Post by: Death Gear
Yes now I have a reason to finish my Tomb Kings army
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Post by: Alpharius
skyth wrote:Kroothawk wrote:
skyth wrote:I love the part where they suggest you start an army before you see what the rules changes are...
Another weird thing. My Skaven army is on hold until I know if spears or two hand weapons are better (and I know the contents of the starter box). I am currently only doing metal models with fixed weapons.
I wouldn't say it's a 'weird' thing. I'd say it's a bit of a underhanded thing. They want people to make armies before the rules change, and then have to buy different models when the rules changes adversely affect thier army or make thier army unplayable.
I don't know if I'd go that far.
But, I also know I'm not going to be rushing to finish ANYTHING for WFB before July!
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alls I can say:
Where are the updated Elf Infantry?
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Post by: Jin
Wait, the guy responsible for the Daemons Army Book is responsible for this Edition?
While I'll reserve judgement until I see the new rules "in the flesh", so to speak, I feel like I need to ready a *facepalm* pic for July.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Jin wrote:Did Sigmar's Hammer turn into a rocket?
LOL, that's what I thought, too.
____
Kroothawk wrote:But pretending that there is no current Fantasy tabletop game by GW and implying that everyone who has ever bought Fantasy miniatures from GW has his army shelved for years and dust covered, is nothing a professional made promotion text should do. It is as if they are embarrassed by the bad quality of their current product.
There may be more truth in there than you realize. I haven't played Fantasy in 3 or 4 years (i.e. since the dawn fof WFB 7E), and haven't really missed it. My DoW & Empire have been sitting boxed away on shelf untouched for over 3 years. If 8th fixes a few things, I might be tempted to jump back in. Maybe.
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Post by: Le Grognard
JOHIRA wrote:"This is a world where victory and death rest upon a knife-edge and the fate of the world... will soon be decided. "
OMG GW advancing the timeline????!!!!WUT
Probably about as much as SoC did.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Le Grognard wrote:JOHIRA wrote:"This is a world where victory and death rest upon a knife-edge and the fate of the world... will soon be decided. "
OMG GW advancing the timeline????!!!!WUT
Probably about as much as SoC did.
You mean the same SoC that isn't mentioned in any of the army books released in the past 2 years? THAT SoC?
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Post by: Aramus
Gorram it, I was just finally going to get around to painting my Dwarves...I seriously doubt I'll be dropping 75 bucks for the boxed set for just a rulebook, or 50+ on the hardback for a game that I might play a few times a year...eh, we'll see.
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Post by: Platuan4th
Aramus wrote:Gorram it, I was just finally going to get around to painting my Dwarves...I seriously doubt I'll be dropping 75 bucks for the boxed set for just a rulebook, or 50+ on the hardback for a game that I might play a few times a year...eh, we'll see.
Don't. Wait a couple months then pick up the Box set mini-rule book off of a friend or a bitz seller.
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Post by: Clang
The inches thing is odd - are we heading for a world where inches are only used for gaming? Or was this an American decision, given they're one of only about three countries on the planet who haven't officially adopted the metric system?
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Post by: BAWTRM
Ostrakon wrote:And since the army I'm interested in is included in the starter, it's fairly unlikely that they've been nerfed to oblivion by the new rules.
O&G players say no.
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Post by: Ostrakon
BAWTRM wrote:Ostrakon wrote:And since the army I'm interested in is included in the starter, it's fairly unlikely that they've been nerfed to oblivion by the new rules.
O&G players say no.
Weren't they nerfed by a new army book, not by a new rulebook?
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Post by: Flashman
No Orcs & Goblins was a great army book, it was the over powered nonsense that followed which resulted in said nerfing.
Skaven book went some way to reversing the overpowering trend IMO, so it will interesting to see where GW go with the next few books.
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
No, they were nerfed by everyone else's new army book 
damn, ninja'd by flashman.
well, name and nature
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Post by: Flashman
reds8n wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6LPRV-cQSw&playnext_from=TL&videos=Kb0QU6I6Pow
Youtube agogo
Go on, who's going to be the first person say, "New dark elf ships? Amazing!" Joking aside, possible new minis spotted. Going to attempt a bit of frame pausage and see what's there...
EDIT - Nothing of interest that I could see. Did wonder about the Empire Knights charging out of the castle but think it's just a different paint scheme.
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
Its a welcome return for Man'o'War!!!
With reference to the rumours thread, though - i'll be interested to see if any of the infantry units look to be ranked 10 wide...
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Post by: Flashman
There is plenty of evidence of wide rankings in the vid, but this could be because a mass of large infantry units looks cool.
What confused me was a unit of Cold Ones Riders ranked up. I thought their tails got in the way...
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
And is it just me or does the unit just behind the cold ones look like they've just been sprayed black and dumped on the table?
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Post by: malfred
Chimera_Calvin wrote:And is it just me or does the unit just behind the cold ones look like they've just been sprayed black and dumped on the table?
That's stealth.
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Post by: Red_Zeke
reds8n wrote:
Incoming Email
Armed with faith in Sigmar, their warrior god, and with tempered steel and black powder weapons they defend their lands. South and east of the Empire lies Bretonnia, a land of chivalry and noble tradition.
Geography fail?
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Post by: Kirbinator
Red_Zeke wrote:Geography fail?
Fluff can and is rewritten for any reasons whatsoever to please the writers. Brettonia has simply placed all of its buildings on horseback and moved to a new location.
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Post by: Flashman
Red_Zeke wrote:reds8n wrote:
Incoming Email
Armed with faith in Sigmar, their warrior god, and with tempered steel and black powder weapons they defend their lands. South and east of the Empire lies Bretonnia, a land of chivalry and noble tradition.
Geography fail?
Ooh, good spot Makes me wonder about the writers at GW these days... actually I was already wondering, but this intensfies my internal eye rolling
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Post by: Minsc
Kroothawk wrote:Here a translation of the Spanish newsletter part (translation provided by Hoarmurel on Warseer):
The re-printing process will be done in waves throughout a year, starting this next summer. The Warhammer Rulebook will be accompanied by the first wave of books, consisting of the Empire, Skaven, High Elves, Beastmen and Chaos Daemons army books. This new incarnation of Warhammer is so exciting you are going to be amazed with!!
The interesting part is the first batch of reprints, all unlikely candidates for a new army book soon (that included High Elves and Empire). O&G are not in the first batch
First: This next summer? Is that some bad grammar, or is GW going to be pushing some stuff until 2011?
Onto the main meat of this: I can't see Skaven being reprinted this quickly. I could see it in three years, maybe four, but one or two tops? I'm not buying it, unless they literally mean "Reprinted as it currently stands" which seems like a way just to milk those customers less wary of GW's business practices. Beastmen even moreso, as they were released less than seven months before the 8th Edition Rulebook. It has to be that some of them are just errata-including reprints, not actual reprints. Empire I can see as being an actual new book, maybe Chaos Daemons too, but that's it. Unless, of course, the reason some of those books need to be reprinted is they have some feature in the book that must be adjusted due to 8th Edition Changes (For instance, if 8th is going to percentiles, High Elves would need to be reprinted to adjust what happened with their extra special and rare choices as well as their lesser core choice requirements).
Flashman wrote:Ooh, good spot Makes me wonder about the writers at GW these days... actually I was already wondering, but this intensfies my internal eye rolling
If the Crimson Fists can suffer some 200 less casualties with their Fortress Monastary's destruction and multiple companies of Ultramarines were fighting on the surface during the Battle of Macragge, let alone Warhammer Online where pretty much every High Elf with a name was two days away from retirement, what's to say GW can't make Bretonnia across some mountains from where it once was?
I'm at once pleased and displeased to see O&G not on the list of updated armies. Pleased because I like what I have now (I have been playing O&G non-stop in WHFB since the Storm of Chaos Campaign and Warbands was (re?)released) and am afraid of what GW would do to the book, but also because there's really very little room for them to make my army any more reliant on the Dice gods' favor to reliably win (not draw, win) a game.
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Post by: Trasvi
If GW reprints/updates 5 books with complete errata (ie no errors) upon the release of 8th edition I will run naked down the street.
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Post by: Erasoketa
Minsc wrote:Kroothawk wrote:Here a translation of the Spanish newsletter part (translation provided by Hoarmurel on Warseer):
The re-printing process will be done in waves throughout a year, starting this next summer. The Warhammer Rulebook will be accompanied by the first wave of books, consisting of the Empire, Skaven, High Elves, Beastmen and Chaos Daemons army books. This new incarnation of Warhammer is so exciting you are going to be amazed with!!
The interesting part is the first batch of reprints, all unlikely candidates for a new army book soon (that included High Elves and Empire). O&G are not in the first batch
First: This next summer? Is that some bad grammar, or is GW going to be pushing some stuff until 2011?
It's a homemade translation by a user, you don't need to call the grammar nazis.
We can believe it or not, but the Spanish newsletter says that the books are going to be reprinted. If the English version doesn't say anything, maybe this is going to happen only in Spain due to the measurement change. It sucks for the latest army books, but they also talk about free .pdf files so... In the lines that talk about the special changes for Spain, they remark the collaboration of the Studio for the updates. In fact, what they remark the biggest is the collaboration of the ENGLISH Studio. So I can see this reprints being only made for Spain and Spanish-talking countries.
Reprinting an army book doesn't mean publishing a new one. Just taking the one wich is done, changing the numbers for measures, and adapting some paragraphs of special rules to avoid rule conflicts with the new edition. This is just adding the .pdf information in the new prints. Like they did in the 2nd edition of Dark Eldar codex.
That's my guess.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Red_Zeke wrote:reds8n wrote: Armed with faith in Sigmar, their warrior god, and with tempered steel and black powder weapons they defend their lands. South and east of the Empire lies the ruins of Tilea, once a proud land of mercenaries and artisans, while to the west of the Empire lies Bretonnia, a land of chivalry and noble tradition.
Geography fail?
Fixed. 
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Post by: Saintspirit
Trasvi wrote:If GW reprints/updates 5 books with complete errata (ie no errors) upon the release of 8th edition I will run naked down the street.
Just warn us before you do it, ok?
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Post by: Cyporiean
Flashman wrote:reds8n wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6LPRV-cQSw&playnext_from=TL&videos=Kb0QU6I6Pow
Youtube agogo
Go on, who's going to be the first person say, "New dark elf ships? Amazing!" Joking aside, possible new minis spotted. Going to attempt a bit of frame pausage and see what's there...
EDIT - Nothing of interest that I could see. Did wonder about the Empire Knights charging out of the castle but think it's just a different paint scheme.
in that massive pan of the Empire castle, there is what appears to be a new Dragon model in front of the castle, you can see it at around 38 seconds.
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Post by: Mithrax
Cyporiean wrote:
in that massive pan of the Empire castle, there is what appears to be a new Dragon model in front of the castle, you can see it at around 38 seconds.
Looks like Forgeworld's Dragon to me.
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Post by: Alex Kolodotschko
Yup, Forge World's Fire Dragon.
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Post by: Blackadder
The updated army books will most likely be Spanish (and other translated rulebooks if their are any other in metric) only.
I have often wondered why WHFB and 40K still uses inches. Actually I quite like inches, as they seem a more "logical" scale for GW's wargames and as European, I have never used inches before I became a wargamer!).
I have come to the conclusion that it has to do with the scale of the miniatures. A lot of the miniatures are actually an inch or a little bit more in height*, whereas in metric a normal miniature is some 2.5 en 3 (cm) times the measurement (or 25 and 30mm).
Inches are mostly less practical than metric sizes, so most of the world switched to metric. The nostalgic (or backward to some - not my opinion) inches quite fit the medieval styled fantasy and SF worlds of wargaming I think.
*Althought the nominal scale GW's WHFB and 40K universes uses is 25mm, human sized miniatures (on which the scale is based) have grown over the years to 30mm, but their are on the battlefield, especially in WHFB you will find fewer human sized creatures than smaller creatures. Think of it: Goblins, Skaven, Skinks, Dwarfs etc far outnumber human sized creatures.
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Post by: Cyporiean
ah, well fair enough.
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Post by: VikingScott
Kroothawk wrote:
Another tidbit: Matt Ward seems to have written the rulebook.
*facepalm*
Once more I ask the heretic Matt Ward be burned alongside all his books
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Post by: bhsman
Yea man let's get ANGRY about BOOKS about GAMES
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Post by: Stephen Bond
I think it will be empire vs chaos warriors in the boxed game as both sides have had new booksrecently
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Post by: Jin
Stephen Bond wrote:I think it will be empire vs chaos warriors in the boxed game as both sides have had new booksrecently
Um, it's pretty much been confirmed that it's High Elves and Skaven.
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Post by: Erasoketa
The Rockethammer art however shows Empire vs WoC.
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Post by: Bloodthirster
And here we go back to the mutiple starter box theory.... Seriously though, most, if not all, all the reliable sources have said it's High Elves and Skaven.
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Post by: CT GAMER
bhsman wrote:Yea man let's get ANGRY about BOOKS about GAMES
You do realize that without the above Dakka Dakka loses about 85% of it's content?
Just checking...
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Post by: Kirasu
whats wrong with matt ward? Sm and BA books were pretty decent (Main problem with SM were the books that came AFTER them)
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Post by: VikingScott
DoC; wrote by matt ward
BA: wrote by matt ward (not as bad as everyone thinks once you play against them though)
WotR: wrote by matt ward(I cant comment on this 1 as i dont play it)
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Post by: Ostrakon
Flashman wrote:No Orcs & Goblins was a great army book, it was the over powered nonsense that followed which resulted in said nerfing.
Skaven book went some way to reversing the overpowering trend IMO, so it will interesting to see where GW go with the next few books.
Oh, the way I've always heard them get complained about is that Matt Ward made the terrible by giving them needless drawbacks.
So we then can assume that Matt Ward made them terrible simply by writing DoC? Automatically Appended Next Post: Blackadder wrote:The updated army books will most likely be Spanish (and other translated rulebooks if their are any other in metric) only.
I have often wondered why WHFB and 40K still uses inches. Actually I quite like inches, as they seem a more "logical" scale for GW's wargames and as European, I have never used inches before I became a wargamer!).
I have come to the conclusion that it has to do with the scale of the miniatures. A lot of the miniatures are actually an inch or a little bit more in height*, whereas in metric a normal miniature is some 2.5 en 3 (cm) times the measurement (or 25 and 30mm).
Inches are mostly less practical than metric sizes, so most of the world switched to metric. The nostalgic (or backward to some - not my opinion) inches quite fit the medieval styled fantasy and SF worlds of wargaming I think.
*Althought the nominal scale GW's WHFB and 40K universes uses is 25mm, human sized miniatures (on which the scale is based) have grown over the years to 30mm, but their are on the battlefield, especially in WHFB you will find fewer human sized creatures than smaller creatures. Think of it: Goblins, Skaven, Skinks, Dwarfs etc far outnumber human sized creatures.
It kind of bugs me that base sizes are in metric but the game is played using Imperial. Even as an American, I think the whole game should be metric - along with pretty much everyone else.
Sadly there are too many idiots over here that somehow think Imperial is simpler than metric.
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Post by: Alpharius
CT GAMER wrote:bhsman wrote:Yea man let's get ANGRY about BOOKS about GAMES
You do realize that without the above Dakka Dakka loses about 85% of it's content?
Just checking...
By all means, let's perpetuate tired misconceptions.
I'd wager that the 'angry' segment is closer to 15% than 85%.
And yes, all signs point towards Skaven and High Elves, regardless of the what the new cover art shows.
I'd be more than OK with a surprise and/or multiple starters though!
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
Everything I'm hearing about this new edition is making me mad! Grrrrr!!! It feels like only yesterday that the last edition was released. I feel like doing an Axel Rose and crashing my car into the bins outside GW HQ!!!
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Post by: Erasoketa
Bloodthirster wrote:And here we go back to the mutiple starter box theory.... Seriously though, most, if not all, all the reliable sources have said it's High Elves and Skaven.
Oh well, I'm not trying to imply anything. When the other fellow dakkaite said about Empire and WoC I thought that usually the art in the rulebook or the box shows a battle between the races included in the starter box. But in fact, no one said that the Rockethammer pic is going to be the cover of the rulebook nor the art in the box. No way I'm a reliable source for GW news.
I agree that HE and Skaven is the option that I've read the most.
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Post by: Do_I_Not_Like_That
Sorry for the double post but I've got to keep ranting!!! I'm so fed up about people whining about this that and everything else that is supposedly wrong with 7th edition. Daemons are to powerful they cry. well if that's the case, how come I've been blasting them to hell with my supposedly weaker Empire and Orc forces. People talk about Ogres being as useful as a candle in the wind, but I've played them 14 times with various armies, and I've never beaten them yet! We've forgotten the ancient arts that make us men: cunning, the ability to trick women, the will to win, the ability to tell the difference between E Major and E Minor, and the warrior instinct encoded on our DNA. Instead of lamenting supposed power creep, we need to re-discover these ancient skills that will win us games!
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Post by: Kroothawk
Here an email by a local Australian GW rep, posted by zetaplus over at Warseer. Not sure if the number of pages is a typo by the rep, though, at least the book is full-colour
"At French Games Day on Sunday 18th April we announced that July 2010 will see the long-awaited release of Warhammer. There have been 7 previous editions of this iconic game system, all leading to the moment when we will release the most complete and awe-inspiring version ever. Warhammer, The Game of Fantasy Battles, will launch on July 10th 2010. In a hardback, full-colour, 528-page rulebook we will present to the world the most inspirational, epic, bloody and challenging vision of Warhammer – its land, people and battles – ever seen.
Between now and the 10th of July, Games Workshop embarks on a crusade to make this the greatest and most glorious launch period in our history. Everyone, everywhere, has their part to play in the days ahead. A World of Chaos. A Time of Heroes. An Age of War. Let battle commence."
The "greatest and most glorious launch period" just started with a no content newsletter (with Bretonnia East of the Empire and every player having his army shelved and full of dust) and a no-content video made of 5 static pics.
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Post by: Erasoketa
528 pages LOL, everything is bigger in this edition xDD
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Post by: Flashman
This does make me want to crack on with my Skaven, maybe shan't bother with the slaves though. Poxy worthless (in terms of points, not game value) creatures.
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Post by: Karon
I am enraged at the idiocy of several posts.
Why are we saying that this re-print is with an errata and such? This is strictly related to the spanish books with spain and such, it was even said in that specific context.
The re-print is for spanish users not getting fethed over with the change.
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Post by: Grimstonefire
My understanding of the spain thing is that they are issuing a free errata/ FAQ for all the armies they named within a few months from now.
They are republishing the existing books with the errata changes only. They are not updating the books with 8th ed rules afaik.
I'm sure they would have made that clear if it's what they were doing.
It does mean (imo) that high elves will not be getting an 8th ed book any time soon. They probably put it on the list because they want everyone playing it with the starter set.
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Post by: TBD
I hope GW will not make this edition about trying to push upon us the scale of battles as featured in that Youtube video. Even half that scale would be rediculous. Most people will probably not spend that kind of cash.
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Post by: bd1085
Doubt that will be the typical army size but it seems like they're gearing up for some major updates to Legendary Battles, aka "Fantasy Apoc."
I'm halting all purchases on Fantasy until I can read the new rules.
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Post by: reds8n
"At French Games Day on Sunday 18th April we announced that July 2010 will see the long-awaited release of Warhammer. There have been 7 previous editions of this iconic game system, all leading to the moment when we will release the most complete and awe-inspiring version ever. Warhammer, The Game of Fantasy Battles, will launch on July 10th 2010. In a hardback, full-colour, 528-page rulebook we will present to the world the most inspirational, epic, bloody and challenging vision of Warhammer – its land, people and battles – ever seen.
Between now and the 10th of July, Games Workshop embarks on a crusade to make this the greatest and most glorious launch period in our history. Everyone, everywhere, has their part to play in the days ahead. A World of Chaos. A Time of Heroes. An Age of War. Let battle commence."
That's considerably bigger than the current book !
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
Is it too much to hope for the extra space to include a ravening hordes-style reboot of the army lists given they are changing the way armies are constructed?
Failing this, will the extra pages contain more and/or optional rules? Scenarios? Just more fluff?
Anyone have even a vague idea?
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Post by: Morathi's Darkest Sin
Wait what... thats nearly the book we currently have doubled again. An extra 256 pages for them to play with, but Its not like the background or army shots is severly lacking now.
Hmmm, Interesting.
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Post by: Chimera_Calvin
Thinking about it, that's got to be a mistake. 500 pages is a full ream of paper, so unless this book is over 3" thick and weighs enough to knock out a horse, there are only two options:
1: that page count is wrong
2: its more than one book...
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
Chimera_Calvin wrote:Thinking about it, that's got to be a mistake. 500 pages is a full ream of paper, so unless this book is over 3" thick and weighs enough to knock out a horse, there are only two options:
1: that page count is wrong
2: its more than one book...
A ream of paper is 500 sheets / 1000 sides. We're talking about 528 sides / 264 sheets, or a half-ream of paper. Less than 2" thick, I imagine.
For reference, the 40k rulebook is 300 pages, and is larger than the previous 40k rulebook. There is plenty of room for more pictures, etc. Especially if WFB restores Skirmish, Siege, and Scenarios in detail, rather than glossing them over. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if GW did this, as the thin Fluff and painting guides don't add that much value over the small book. Plus, GW needs to "reset" the way that people think about Fantasy, so it's not monolithic 2000-2250 games all the time.
In terms of precedent, the 2004-2005 catalog was 1000+ pages and hardback, so GW could easily print a 500-page book in a single volume.
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Post by: Vishkha
Maybe they will be bringing back the seige and boat rules for the gameplay? would make sence with the boats and castles in the youtube vid, i apologise if it has already been said
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Post by: Mad Doc Grotsnik
I have it on good authority the book is indeed a whopper, noticably thicker than previous Rulebooks.
Take from that what you will.
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Post by: Infreak
I was just thinking about the rumored changes to magic and how casting with irresistible force might have a down side.
Now the penalty couldn't be too severe since it would seriously hamper the casting of certain characters. Teclis comes to mind, casting with irresistible force on any doubles. It seems to me that if the PD you get per turn might be what the penalty could be. You use up a lot of your energy on that cast that on your next magic phase you would maybe get 2d6-x. X being the number of casts which you get irresistible force in a given magic phase.
Just a thought.
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Post by: TheRavenWolf
I've just started painting my lizardmen, I hope they aren't nerfed too much. Also is it me or are they like the only ones not shown in the newsletter and video. 
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Post by: Buttlerthepug
TheRavenWolf wrote:I've just started painting my lizardmen, I hope they aren't nerfed too much. Also is it me or are they like the only ones not shown in the newsletter and video.
TBH, looking at the rumors on % restricted army builds and talking to lizardmen players, you might be pretty bad off considering the point costs of Slanns and EoTGs... Rather than taking a Slaan and two EoTGs it looks like you might get one EoTG (maybe two) OR a Slaan... I sure hope it doesnt boil down to nerfing armies too bad, but as of current, it looks like some armies are going to get hit in the noggin with the nerf hammer (Lizardmen), while other armies become rediculous ( WoC anyone?)... Once again... I definitely hope it doesnt come down to that.
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Post by: JohnHwangDD
I think Daemons will do just fine under % build!
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Post by: TheRavenWolf
Just sifting through the rumours I saw cavalry impact hits. My terradons might soon become my best buddies with their drop rocks, huge charge and now impact hits.
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Post by: Necros
For my lizards, I started it out wanting to have an army of all skinks and things skinks controlled lead by a lone sarus on a carnosaur, and I was gonna have 2 engines of the gods too just because I didn't wanna have to paint 10,000 skinks to fill up my army.
But now it's looking like we can really only have 1 big character thing and a maybe 1 other on foot somewhere. So now I'll just run 2 lists, 1 with an engine leader and 1 with a carnosaur leader. And I'm gonna start adding some sarus units, got plenty of skinks now.
just like every new book, gotta adapt
I feel sorry for tomb kings players though... they need like half their points in characters in order to be able to do anything. hope they get fixed soon...
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Post by: Minsc
Necros wrote:I feel sorry for tomb kings players though... they need like half their points in characters in order to be able to do anything. hope they get fixed soon...
There is a subtle irony / hint of foresight in your words.
If they drop the unit-number restriction for solely percentages, things could possibly get very messy. Very, very messy (who's up for 30 Night Goblin Big Bosses in a 3000pt game?).
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Post by: FlammingGaunt
"At French Games Day on Sunday 18th April we announced that July 2010 will see the long-awaited release of Warhammer. There have been 7 previous editions of this iconic game system, all leading to the moment when we will release the most complete and awe-inspiring version ever. Warhammer, The Game of Fantasy Battles, will launch on July 10th 2010. In a hardback, full-colour, 528-page rulebook we will present to the world the most inspirational, epic, bloody and challenging vision of Warhammer – its land, people and battles – ever seen.
Between now and the 10th of July, Games Workshop embarks on a crusade to make this the greatest and most glorious launch period in our history. Everyone, everywhere, has their part to play in the days ahead. A World of Chaos. A Time of Heroes. An Age of War. Let battle commence."
Yay it's coming out on my birthday hopefully it won't suck. But if there are impact hits from calvary and crushing blow from unit str 3 and above then I'm going to need more saraus calvary, terradons, kroxigors, and maybe some more salamanders.
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Post by: It
528 pages...
What will that do to the price...
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Post by: olympia
It wrote:528 pages...
What will that do to the price...
Let's guess the price. I'd say $100, 80/90 euro. Automatically Appended Next Post: Actually, given the historical poor quality of GW book binding I am concerned about how a rulebook of this size will hold up under regular use.
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Post by: LunaHound
It wrote:528 pages...
What will that do to the price...
I estimate the price of it to be 50% more of the current Skull pass.
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Post by: Grimstonefire
Nah, the mini book will be thicker, but they'll probably just add on £5 max.
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