Located at the Crown Plaza Fullerton in Fullerton California

As part of the Games Workshop Tournament Circuit the 2 top players from each tournament (40K & Fantasy) will be eligible to go to Las Vegas in 2011 to compete in the finals.

Tournaments are:

Warhammer 40K GT – 5 games, 2 days, 2000 point army

Warhammer Fantasy GT – 5 games, 2 days, 2250 point army

Rules and sign-up information can be found here:

http://conquestgt.avalongamecon.com/LAInvasion.html

Do you guys pre-post missions? What's the format? Is the sportsmanship just 0-10 rate it how you want to or is it a well structured checklist?

Thanks

Why do all these GTs want to charge 60 bucks just to play?

It's not that I don't have money for it, it just seems a little absurd.

They normally have to pay for a venue and don't do it for charity out of their own pocket. Even with that kind of fee a lot of tournaments take losses in their first few years.

gothgar wrote:Why do all these GTs want to charge 60 bucks just to play?

It's not that I don't have money for it, it just seems a little absurd.

$60 is right for a GT style event, but it is hard to shell out for this event.


They are not advertising them at all, and if it was not for the GW Events calendar, no one would ever hear about them. The people that are putting it on are from the Bay Area, and still a lot of people there never knew about the Conquest Ragnarok that was held there.

People do not want to pay $60 sight unseen on a tournament that has never been held before and without any feedback from the people who are running it. So far they are doing a horrible job with these events. Is it any wonder that they had to cancel the Las Vegas one?

Look at the threads for Bolter Beach and the Nova open and look how the event organizers are publicizing their events and answering all questions. They are forth coming about the scenarios, and the details of the scoring.

This post was the first sign of life from the event organizers which is a step in the right direction, but we will see how they are with their follow up. They have till the end of May to try to make this event work.

Hulksmash wrote:Do you guys pre-post missions? What's the format? Is the sportsmanship just 0-10 rate it how you want to or is it a well structured checklist?

Thanks

Thanks for the questions Hulk

Missions - Normally not posted. But the basics are: Win/Draw/Lose for 15/10/5 points. +1 to 5 more points for completting objectives.

Format - Swiss. Round 1 random, round 2-5 by battle points.

Sportsmanship - 4 check items and a 0-6 personal oppinion.

Doc


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Blackmoor wrote:
They are not advertising them at all, and if it was not for the GW Events calendar, no one would ever hear about them. The people that are putting it on are from the Bay Area, and still a lot of people there never knew about the Conquest Ragnarok that was held there.

People do not want to pay $60 sight unseen on a tournament that has never been held before and without any feedback from the people who are running it. So far they are doing a horrible job with these events. Is it any wonder that they had to cancel the Las Vegas one?

Look at the threads for Bolter Beach and the Nova open and look how the event organizers are publicizing their events and answering all questions. They are forth coming about the scenarios, and the details of the scoring.

This post was the first sign of life from the event organizers which is a step in the right direction, but we will see how they are with their follow up. They have till the end of May to try to make this event work.

Hey Y'all,

Just to clear some information up. The ConQuest GT's are owned by Avalon Game Conventions. This is not a Bay Area group, but the do hold con's in the Bay Area as well as other areas up and down the west coast.

In January of 2010, 2 weeks before the Seattle Slaughter I was asked to come on board to help run these events. On such short notice it has taken me some time to get settled and start getting to the point I felt comfortable advertizing and getting the work out.

Although I will be the Head Judge for most of the ConQuest events, I am not the Tournament Orginizer. I can answer some questions about rules and stuff, but others I'll need to forward to the TO to get answers for you.

I'll try and keep an eye on the forums to answer any questions you may have.

Thanks for any input.

Doc

For missions are they out of the book or are they TO created missions. This matters because they can be severely imbalanced and posting them early helps mitigate that by taking feedback or allowing people to adjust. If they are just out of the rulebook then it's fine. Thanks for the response.

Hulksmash wrote:For missions are they out of the book or are they TO created missions. This matters because they can be severely imbalanced and posting them early helps mitigate that by taking feedback or allowing people to adjust. If they are just out of the rulebook then it's fine. Thanks for the response.

The basic missions are out of the book for the most part. The bonus points are for completting objectives like killing your opponets general or capturing table quarters or holding the center hill, stuff like that.

So standard KP's, Capture and Control, and Seize Ground w/standard deployments (i.e. DoW, Spearhead, and Pitched Battle) with added bonus points?

If this is the case then it sounds good to me.

Most of the missions are pretty close to the book missions, with some special exceptions here or there. For example:

Caputure & control with spearhead deployment with both objectives being placed in the center of the table quarters NOT being used for deployment.

Or Sieze ground with 5 objectives, one in the center of the table, then 1 each in the center of each table quarter.

The only mission that rubbed me the wrong way was a killpoints mission in Seattle, but after the negitive feedback I doubt you'll see that mission again.

IMO one of the best things Conquest has going for it are the missions, enough difference as to not just be out of the book, but not wonky enough to become totally unbalanced like some of the missions I've seen other tournaments run.

Hulksmash wrote:So standard KP's, Capture and Control, and Seize Ground w/standard deployments (i.e. DoW, Spearhead, and Pitched Battle) with added bonus points?

If this is the case then it sounds good to me.

Kill Points do have a modification on 1 mission. Units from 275-349 points are worth 2 kill points, and units over 350 points are worth 3 kill points.

For Seize Ground some of the missions are set number of objectives not random d3+2.

Deployment is out of the book, no change.

Awesome sauce. I'll see about attending then now that I've had a few of my bigger worries answered.

I am not sure if there are concerns about attendance, but unless the organization is concern that providing more complete information will actually reduce attendance, it is my opinion, that if more information provided in detail more people would sign up early.

I will probably attend, since I am local, but the lack of complete information makes me feel like either a) the information does not exist, indicating a lack of preparedness, or b) the organizers are scared that the information will scare people away, which is a bigger issue if so.

So I ask, why not just be open and disclose everything regarding the missions and sportsmanship scoring?

It is my opinion, that being more open about these items earlier in your marketing will actually increase attendance and early purchase. (which makes for better overall event planning)

Thanks for the input.

Sportsmanship:

Check all that apply

1 Point: Was your opponent prepared? On time with all game accessories (dice, rules, templates, etc) and a copy of their army list for you to keep.
1 Point: Was your opponent fair? Measured correctly, consistent in die rolls, settled rules disputes amicable.
1 Point: Was your opponent friendly? Introduced themselves, treated you with respect.
1 Point: Was your opponent fun to play?
0-6 Points: On a Scale of 0-6 rate your overall experience playing your opponent.
(6 = Outstanding, 4 = Average, 2 = Poor, 0 = Very Bad.)


Missions. Of the 3 or 4 large GT's I play in none of them post missions early. We will not be posting them early. And yes, we do change them a bit from GT to GT.

Hope that helps.

Doc

How will painting be judged?

What is prize support?

That helps. Though you might want to consider disclosing more information earlier, since looking at the attendance of SIS2 and the SF Conquest GT, some of these events might want to change things up to try to increase attendance. I know you guys are following a pattern, but something to consider in the future if the attendance of this event is less that hoped for. It's a bit of a false analogy, I know, but not releasing missions, to me, is like offering tickets to a "rock" concert but not telling anybody who is playing.

Not a fan of the overall opponent experience for sportsmanship points, as this is game-able, especially if we show up as a club, but it is what it is, I guess... (and thats the last I will speak of sportsmanship scores in this thread as it has all been said before )

Again, I have a 90% chance of showing up...
but this is simply because I want to have a chance at playing some folk I don't get to normally play.

Dave_Fay wrote:How will painting be judged?

What is prize support?

Games Workshop supplies Prize support. I do not know how it is calculated, but I'll ask.

Paint Scoring:
Judge Section:
Basic Painting (worth up to 25 points) Check One Box.
0 Points: Army is not fully painted. This means that there are more than a couple models with prominent areas of plastic, metal or primer showing.
10 Points: Army is almost fully painted, but there are a couple of models with prominent areas of plastic, metal, or primer showing.
15 Points: Army is fully painted, but only to the three-color standard of base coating or looks sloppy or rushed.
25 Points: Army is fully painted beyond the 3-color standard for base coating and demonstrates effort in painting, including shading/highlighting.

Additional Painting (worth up to 10 points) Check ALL that apply to the bulk (90%+) of the army.
1 Point: Painting is Uniform. Not a mix of schemes, styles, and looks.
1 Point: Basic Painting is Clean. Base colors are painted neatly.
1 Point: Clean Highlights. Lines are neat, dry brushing is appropriate, inking is controlled and not sloppy.
2 Points: Advanced Highlights. More than one layer of highlight, which may include shading, highlights over inking, blending, etc.
1 Point: Painted Details. Model details are painted such as eyes, buckles, and jewellery.
1 Point: Well Painted Details. Model details are painted well (clean, have highlights).
1 Point: Artistic Details. Models have squad markings, banners, and other details beyond painting the basic models.
2 Points: Exceptional Artistic Details. Any artistic details and flourishes are done exceptionally well and impressive in scope.

Basing (worth up to 5 points) Check ALL that apply to the bulk (90%+) of the army.
1 Point: Based/Detailed: Bases have basing materials (flock/sand/tiles) or details painted on them.
1 Point: Highlights: Bases have clean highlighting (shading/dry brushing). The edges of the base are clean (painted or not).
1 Point: Extra details: There are extra details on more than a few bases (multiple basing materials or artistic flourishes, helmets, skulls, building rubble, etc.)
2 Points: Awesome presentation: Taken as a whole, the bases unify the army, help create a story, or are otherwise outstanding, original, or impressive.

Conversions (worth up to 5 points) Check ALL that apply.
1 Point: Minimal: The army has some elementary conversions (head and weapon swaps, arm rotations) or a couple interesting swaps. 1 Point
1 Point: Minor: Units have multi-kit conversions including head and weapon swaps. The conversions must be for more than a few models in the army, such as entire units or all specialty characters and models in the army.
1 Point: Major: The army has a few difficult conversions (including those that use things such as putty, plastic card, drilling, sawing, minor sculpts, etc.) executed well. Alternately, the entire army features very well done multi-kit conversions (see above).
2 Points: Extreme: The army has some extreme conversions, which could be: a scratch built conversion or sculpt of an entire model, a large amount of models with difficult conversions (see above), or the entire army is extremely converted.

Other Appearance (worth up to 5 points) Check all that apply to bulk (80%+) of army.
1 Point: Display Base: Basic based & highlighted or detailed display base.
1 Point: Advanced display base: The base goes above and beyond a shaded and highlighted display base and includes elements that stand out and/or unify the entire army presentation.
1 Point: Something Special: There is something above and beyond about a model's painting, the display base, a conversion, or anything else that catches the judge's eye. This can be a single awesome model, an exquisitely converted unit, a great back-story or some other element that really pops.
2 Points: Overall Appearance: Overall appearance of the ENTIRE ARMY is just amazing! Everything works great together to create an awesome scene or conveys a story.

Penalties
-2 Points: Army list not displayed with army.
-75 Points: "Did you paint your army?" answer is "Yes", but it is proven the player lied (yes, this will affect the overall score).

Hope that helps

I'll be attending, this looks like a fun Tournament. I like the fact that the missions are basic out of the book.

Very helpful. Thanks!

Let's see...

'Ard Boyz in May
BolsCon in July

Well, it looks like June is open, so I think I can come out if you can get enough people to show up for it.

Blackmoor wrote:Let's see...

'Ard Boyz in May
BolsCon in July

Well, it looks like June is open, so I think I can come out if you can get enough people to show up for it.

You seem to have a fairly low opinion of your likelihood of success at 'Ard Boyz, then....

Our tournament is not on the same day as the 'Ard Boyz semi's.

'Ard Boyz on June 12. It is unfortunatly on the same day as the Quake City Rumble that I'm playing in, so no 'Ard Boyz rd 2 for me.

I think Janthkin was commenting on how Blackmoor isn't giving himself enough credit and will have another tournament he needs to play in in June due to the 2nd round.

Ah, my error...

So who all is planning on going to this shindig?

I'll be there. I think Reece and some of the SD guys will show up. I'm not sure about anyone else as yet. Probably some of the guys in the Riverside area. Haven't heard a whole lot of hype for it so it might not be a bad event to try for a Ticket in

I'll probably be going

What is the chance of this one being cancelled? Vegas was cancelled on very short notice, will there be some kind of notification that this is set in stone once it passes a certain attendance or is it already "cancel-proof"? Thanks for any info, I can plan a trip out possibly if the event is a sure thing.

I'll be coming. I am sure Shep and few others from our group will go.

I am going to try to be there.

I had a good night at the casino last night, so I guess I will be there.

I intend on going.

BladeWalker wrote:What is the chance of this one being cancelled? Vegas was cancelled on very short notice, will there be some kind of notification that this is set in stone once it passes a certain attendance or is it already "cancel-proof"? Thanks for any info, I can plan a trip out possibly if the event is a sure thing.

This event will not be cancelled. Even if just 2 people show up.

Doc

ps.. we are looking for more then two players.

Less than a month away, who all is going?

Are you guys going to make it easy on me to get my golden ticket?

I'll be there. Not sure if my Wolves will make an appearance but I'll definitely be there

I'm loaning Hulksmash my Tau. Y'all better be ready for an ass whipping!

I need my ticket, so I will be bringing my Eldar.

I haven't bought a ticket yet, but the plan is still to go.

I'm going, and I need a my golden ticket, too, so I will be bringing the hurt.

What's a golden ticket

It might be my SW or it might be something else I'm working on. Haven't decided yet

Hulksmash wrote:What's a golden ticket

Oh, it's nothing, nothing at all! So don't worry about it, and bring a Grot army and just have fun! Because having fun and playing a themed, fluff army is what the game is all about!

I only play fluff armies! where the fluff is that the army is organized and lead by a competent, well-versed, and experienced general that wants to win at all costs

Haha, hey, that is my theme, too! We are like, BFF's or something!

I just bought my ticket.

You have until May 31st to get in for $60, after that it is $70.

I won't be attending... As this is a somewhat new tournament with new organization and such, I'm curious to see how this one goes...

Not to offend or deter anyone, but there hasn't been a lot of talk about this tourney outside of this thread and with the Vegas ConQuest tournament being canceled at the last minute, I'm more concerned that I'd be paying $60 (now $70) for a GT atmosphere that may only end up with 10-15 people.

If all goes well I should be coming all the way from NJ just to show you kids how to actually play the game

yermom wrote:If all goes well I should be coming all the way from NJ just to show you kids how to actually play the game

The boy wonder is going to make his west coast debut?

@Wolflord Patrick

Yeah, I've heard some things that make me a little leary. But I figure it's another chance to play with little toy soldiers

@Yermom

We'd love to see ya man. I hear good things about you

@Huklsmasha and Blackmoor- I'd really like to make it, I've heard that there's wuite a competitive group of gamers over there and I would love to see where I stand amongst them. Now it's just deciding which army to bring

Well I am going for sure, I am coming up with a local guy in our area at least, maybe with Geoff and Shane as well. Dave can't make this one as he is too busy.

But if Shane, Kelly, Geoff and myself all make it, then San Diego will be putting up some of their most competitive players so that will definitely be fun. The LA guys and the IE guys have some seriously good players, too.

I'm gonna go. I have to reschedule a birthday party. But hey, its my damn birthday, we can have the party whenever i want right?

Damn right Shep! I'll see you there you bastard

Whatcha Bringin?

Oh, and see ya saturday.

This tournament is starting to look like its going to have quite a competitive showing

IG for conquest.... nids on saturday.... I wanna see your bug list... wanna PM it to me? Or is it secret?

For Conquest it's either my Adeptus Mechanicus counts-as Daemons (if they're done) or my Space Wolves. PM'd my list for your perusal But shhhhh....they're watching.....

Hulkster, I'll see you and shep on saturday also. I don't know if I'll make it to Conquest but I'm gunna try. I'm rocking 81 in the rankings and am determined to move it up (and you never know there's a chance I could win a Golden ticket, albiet small one).

It's a small chance for all of us Grimgob But we's be playin for it anyway!!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Either way it'd be cool to see ya there. The more the merrier. And it's always nice to play someone who isn't a dick but is a good player Though to be fair that seems to be fairly common round these parts

Sadly I wont be able to attend due to the $500 for a ticket. Anyways best of luck to all those attending!

Crappy! Maybe I'll see ya at the Nova Open. Your gonna be there right Yermom?

Yeah Hulksmash hopefully we get to play a game or at least talk about some nidses

@Doc Dragon

What is the official count for 40k right now? I'm curious as the website says only 4 for each system as of the 7th of May. Thanks!

We are at 12 so far for 40K. Web page has been updated.

We are at 12 so far for 40K. Web page has been updated.

For the army list turn-in how does that work for people who sign up after the 11th? And what about people possibly play testing their list in a tournament that weekend before they make a decision on what to take? Thanks for the replies Doc.

I need to buy my ticket, it looks like they extended the $60 price till the 8th.

Yeah, my only concern was the list deadline. How much of an impact would it have if it was a few days late. Since it's random pairing round 1 anyway I assume then I don't see why they ened it two weeks in advance.

List need to be in by June 11.
All list that are on time will get an extra 2 battle points twords best overall.

List's changed after that or turned in late don't get the extra points.

Hope that helps.

Will we see the missions before we have to turn in our lists?

At Conquest Ragnarok you didn't see any of the missions until the end of each round. (1st mission wasn't given out until table assaignment made 2nd mission not given out until all of the 1st mission games were done)

Each Mission is on the table at the start of each round.

Hmm.

Well, can't say that I like that since I hate wacky missions and if you don't have time to prepare for a wacky mission before you are knee deep in one then they are extra gakky.

Trying to move all of your stuff, get set up, play the game, figure out rules and formulate a strategy all while trying to figure out the ins and outs of a completely alien mission doesn't sound too fun.

What kinds of missions are these? If they are close to the ones in the book, then we should be fine, but if these are missions the TO made up, then this could turn to suckfest in very, very short order.

I've played in the last two Conquest Tournaments and the scenerios are the furthest thing you can get from "wacky."

All 10 of the missions I played are a pretty close to a book mission with little tweaks here & there. For the most part, I've really enjoyed the missions, with the exceptions of the modified killpoints game in Seattle, but I don't think Doc will bring that one back.

OK cool, whew, thanks for clearing that up, Asugradinwa.

I HATE wacky missions, and while I would rather have that than nothing, the idea of having those sprung on us just made me cringe.

Cool, thanks for clarifying, that makes a big difference for me, personally.

Yeah, I'm not one for wacky missions myself (unless it's 'ardboys, then the missions should be wacky IMO).

The Ragnarok missions were 15 points win 10 points tie 5 points loss with a 3 point bonus & a 2 point bonus.

The bonuses were not hard, but made sense for the mission such as "control the objective in your opponent's deployment zone."

I'd come down for it, but after buying a house & paying for my wedding I'll be stuck up in the Pacific NW until next year.

The good news: There is only 12 players between me and my golden ticket!

The bad new: They are all pretty good players.



I like not knowing the missions ahead of time.

As long as the missions are reasonable and balanced that is, I like people having to think on there feet and not able to tailor their lists.

Blackmoor wrote:The good news: There is only 12 players between me and my golden ticket!

The bad new: They are all pretty good players.

That's classic!

Actually if you look at it there are only 5 people signed up to play WH Fantasy, so 2 of the 5 will get a Golden Ticket...

Wolves it is then. I'm not sure enough about my Daemons to run them and not having the mini-gt to test them in first means I'm not gonna risk it. Hopefully we see some more people for 40k. Since it can't really get any worse on the competitive side due to some of the people already showing up.

Hulksmash wrote:Wolves it is then. I'm not sure enough about my Daemons to run them and not having the mini-gt to test them in first means I'm not gonna risk it. Hopefully we see some more people for 40k. Since it can't really get any worse on the competitive side due to some of the people already showing up.

Yeah, while this tournament may be small if you think about it, the competition will really be tough since everyone going has one thought in mind. (IE- there will be about 15 players and 2 tickets to the LVGT on the line)

Also, not to mention that with 5 rounds and about 15 players chancs are that you're going to end up playing in a re-match game at some point...

Yeah, haha, only 20 guys and 15 of them are all hitters! Man, I would rather have a 60 man tournament because you would have better odds of pulling less brutal comp!

I am gong to have to bring the wolves too. I was thinking IG, but I don't have the models at present to build the list I want to. I will have to hustle and get my wolves painted in the next few weeks.

Pat, are you going? I can't speak for Kelly, but I bet he would be open to carpooling. We could all roll up together if you wanted to save some gas money. He and I are going together.

@Asugardinwa
Too bad you can't make it man, I have heard you are a good player. But congratz on the house and wedding man! That is definitely cooler than 40K!

You gonna roll out the LR spam again Reece or a real army this time

hahaha, what?! LR spam is a real army, as real as it gets, son!

I'm ridin on a dolphin,
doin flips and gak,
this ain't sea world homie,
this's as real as it gets!

I'm on a boat, mother fether,
don't you ever forget!


In this case my boat is a giant Land Raider with his buddies!

Lol, very nice sir. Well, it'll have a good shot against my Wolves Since I don't carry many meltas and my main ranged AT is Missile Launchers Just gotta hope to pull you in a mission that favors me!

Well, you are a very good player so I don't doubt you will find a way to fight back.

@ Reece - Originally I had said that I wasn't, but I'm actually tempted to go play now.

No worries about carpooling. If I go, I'd be happy to give someone a ride up, however I'd probably be driving Saturday night over to my dad's house which isn't too far away.

I'll have a talk with the wife tonight to see if I can get the "Hall Pass" for that weekend.

Cool, that would be great if you made it. I am not certain, but I think Shane and Geoff were going, as well.

Posting it here in case Doc doesn't check the other one but some people are having problems signing up. Reece and Shep specifically.

It's working now, just bought my ticket and they are still $60 bucks.

If you find any issues with getting signed up you'll need to contact Mondo at thebard (at) avalongamecon (dot) com as he is the T.O.

As head judge I can not help with any registration issues.

Also, per an earlier post, all missions are book based with some modifications. Nothing crazy, this isn't the Ard Boyz.

So what is the final count of who's attending? I'm just curious

Also where is the Q&A being held. Since based on a few questions it could determine which army I bring Saturday. Thanks guys.

So did you guys get the e-mail, and what did you think?

So we paid $60 for a one day event? I'm sorry that you guys didn't get a turn out but this is bull pucky. I've got a friend that wouldn't have signed up at all for a 1 day event. Let alone spent the $60 for it. This change is ridiculous with doing it less than a week to go. Some people booked rooms they won't be able to get back so you costing your customers money. To be honest with the way it has been handled thus far I probably wouldn't be inclined to pay the $1 for the event in november because even though it's billed in the OC who is to say it won't wind up in Arizona the week before or that you won't cancel that one if you don't get the turnout your looking for.

Obviously I'm a little peeved at the latest communication.

What happened with this?

They didn't get enough people signed up so at the last minute they have:

-Changed it to a 4 game 1 day event

and

-Changed the location of the event

Both with less than a week to go. I've also asked them how this will affect the scoring as with only 5 games the previously listed scoring is of course not correct anymore and would make painting a much larger influence on the overall outcome.

Ouch. That's a nasty little bait-and-switch (and, were I signed up, I'd be tempted to do a little consumer protection law reading).

I'm going to be in San Diego on vacation, instead.

I've already asked if some money would be coming back as the the price they originally set was for a 2-day, 5 game event. I'm waiting on a response.

It's even more frustrating because there is a RTT down in San Diego on Saturday that will have almost the same number of 40k guys, will be 3 games, but will only cost $10......

Hey Y'all

Like you I got the letter this morning also.
I'm looking into adjusting the Painting scores to match a 4 game tournament vs a 5 game tournament so paint will not be event worth more then it should be. (I'll probobly just muliply by .8)

Sports and Battle are fine and will not be adjusted.

Any other questions about why or how or anything not related to rules need to be directed to Mondo as I will not have answers for you.

Doc

@Janthkin
There is an RTT at Game Empire in SD that same day. If you are looking form some gaming, check it out.

@Hulk
Yeah, $60 or a one day event is pretty crazy. It is still a Golden Ticket event though, which is the only silver lining I can see.

Reecius wrote:@Janthkin
There is an RTT at Game Empire in SD that same day. If you are looking form some gaming, check it out.

Vacation with wife. Must replenish wife points, which have been seriously drained from Adepticon onward over the last few months....

Getting to hang out with Shep seems like a pretty good silver lining too right Reece?

But yeah, I've never really heard of this happening before. After collecting our money up front in full, with our good faith, then what we paid for changed? Wow...

So no one signed up, and the organizers are going to lose money. that sucks, but you know who's fault it ISN'T?

The guys that signed up.

I am about to dump thousands of dollars into tables and terrain to host our groups RTTs and GTs away from game stores. I have no allusions about how 'lucrative' running warhammer tourneys is going to be. Its for the love, period.

Sorry guys, but wholy crap, I feel like I've just dodged a bullet with this one...

I hope all of you can get your money back... In my opinion, even those that are still going should get something back. You paid for a 2-day 5 round tournament and even booked rooms for the event.

As I'm curious, can someone post up the email or PM it to me to read?

Hi gang,

If you are receiving this email it is because you are a registered player for our GT Qualifier this coming weekend. We have a very small number of players involved, and the last thing we will ever do is cancel an event ever again, so this is what we came up with to make this first year effort viable.

With only 19 players total at the moment, we will be able to hold the event as a One Day event on this Saturday June 26. With the number of players involved, we really only need four rounds to declare winners for the event, so we will be running four rounds on Saturday.

We have booked a venue that is more suited to the size of the event, and yet, is still close enough for those of you who choose to stay at the original hotel. (The hall is just under 1.5 miles from the hotel.)

The new location for the event is the Knights of Columbus hall located at 1127 N. Anaheim Blvd, Anaheim CA 92801. I've attached a google map attachment to the new location from the old location. Here is the link.

It is important that we hear back from each of you in the next couple of days to verify that everyone has received this information. Once you respond, we will send you a schedule for the day.

On a very positive note, the board building and terrain building projects are going well. We will have all very high quality boards and terrain for the event. Thanks to Ray Gonzales and his gang for their help. We will be storing the boards in the OC area, so that the community can have access to them at the St Crispin's Irregular meetings held at the same venue throughout the year.

I will be sending out updates a few times a day with who has responded and who we are still waiting on, as some of you might know some of the other folks playing and be able to call them directly if they miss this email.

We have prize support to hand out, and most importantly, four golden tickets to award to the winners of each of the tournaments.

Thanks for your understanding as we do everything we can to go through with the event, yet keep from losing thousands while we build this new tournament in the OC area.

Also, each of you will be eligible to purchase a ticket to our second show in the OC the weekend of November 5-6, the Orange County Crush, for only $1. Our way of saying thank you for supporting our new effort.

Take care,
Mondo

That's the letter.

And yeah, hanging with Shep is always a bonus!

Janthkin, I feel you, well, i am not married, but I can understand having to avoid significant other trouble! If you need any ideas for fun stuff to do while you are here, hit me up.


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And now I don't feel bad for not painting more stuff. I am going to be bringing the whatever is painted list again. I just have had no motivation to paint lately. My list is going to be pretty funky.

I am in a different boat than the So. Cal guys because I have to come from Phoenix.

This was a bad time for me to begin with, and now I have an out and I think I will take it.

Thanks Reece... By reading that, my guess is that there won't be any money coming back to you guys and instead you are able to pay $1 for their tournament in November...

The funny thing is that with 19 people registered, they ended up with more than I thought they would... Given what happened in Vegas, and that there was very little advertisment for the event outside of this thread, I wonder just how many people they expected?

Well for you guys still going, best of luck to you... My guess is that on this short notice that their email won't reach everyone to respond in time and where they have 19 guys signed up to play now it will probably be more like 10 people playing at their new location.

On a good note, there's still an RTT at Game Empire in SD on the same day, and I hear that there is a GW auction going on from 3-6 PM on Saturday night at the Battle Bunker.

Gentlemen,

I don't have a horse in this race, as I'm 3000 miles away, but I'll throw my 2 cents in.

If you want your money back, and don't want to go, there should be absolutely no reason for them not refunding your money. They changed the venue, changed the event. It's now a different event. Legally, and morally, they can't keep your money if you want a refund, and contact them in a timely manner.

Yeah, but it was confirmed it is still a Golden Ticket event, so the munchkin in me says this may be a really good time to get that ticket....although the few guys going are good, so it is conceivable to play the same player twice, which would be pretty weak sauce.

I have family commitments or it would probably be my only shot at a fantasy golden ticket, since I am running more crap than I can actually play in this year.....

Reecius wrote:so it is conceivable to play the same player twice, which would be pretty weak sauce.

You will not need to play the same player twice.

Doc

I will never play in a conquest event ever again. they promise one thing and then either cancel or change the event. this seems to be an ongoing problem with this group. save your money and play somewhere else.

I'm glad I wasn't reassured enough early on to plan a trip around a 2 day event (that is now 1) that isn't happening where it was supposed to. Short notice cancelling of Vegas and now this last minute change, I have not attended a ConQuest event (my local one was cancelled) and after reading all this I will surely never plan on attending one in the future. I'm just glad I did not pre-purchase for Vegas or this one.

I do hope those participating have a good time regardless.

Hey, I emailed Doc Dragon trying to get my money back. He has not gotten back to me, is anyone else having this problem?

This thing is too screwed up, I would rather drink some beers and watch team USA in the World Cup at this point.

Blackmoor, you said you were trying to get your money back, did you have any luck?

I would rather not have to go through PayPal to get my cash back.

I have been busy and I have not been able to write him, but I think you write Mondo (Vega?) instead of Doc Dragon for a refund. Doc is just a judge.

I have no idea what they are thinking with the way they are promoting this event. Doc did a little bit to give us some info, but compare this to what MVBrant is doing in the NOVA open thread to make sure he is getting the players to show up. Here is a news flash, you can't dangle Golden Tickets to Vegas and charge $60 and expect people to show up without putting in any effort.

It is grounds enough to demand your money back out of pure incompetence that the TO is showing. All of their events so far have been a fiasco, and I hope Games Workshop takes away any further invitations to the Las Vegas GT from them.

I emailed both of them this time, hopefully that gets the job done.

You guys have my sympathies.

Doh.. guess it will just be Shep and I then

2 night stay at a hotel, $60 ticket to an RTT... I got burned

I agree that marketing was poor for this. I did see a flyer at hte LA Battle Bunker, but that was it other than on this board and the GW site (as an option for LV GT), but that was it.

Lesson Learned.

Whats really sad is the poor "business" logic this represents for them. They cancel an event, but have anotherone scheduled. So all the people that planned early got burned. They have another event, and attempt to adjust based on early sign ups, but since people watching saw that their other event was cancelled they want to wait unilt last minute to commit to coming. But wait, as a result of less early sign ups, they adjust event, and then prove to the consumer that it was the better option to wait. So now, they have yet another event in the future and ... Fool me once shame on thee, fool me twice shame on me.

Word of advice, if you expect to succeed start think about rebranding, "avalon conquest" is dead And once you rebrand, think like a business, and plan on losing money when you start up these endeavors, build a brand, and then you will be able to cover your costs. Don't tarnish your name by trying to cover the costs for every event, thats self defeating.

A rant and a ramble...

Anybody else heard back from them on the revised schedule yet? It's been over 40 hours since the last email I got and since the tourney is less than 48 hours away I was wondering if anyone had heard what time it starts at and what time it ends?

I still have my suspicions that this whole thing will probaby cancel at the last minute...

Reading through the email that was sent to you guys there are a couple parts that stand out to me. The first one is this part:

"It is important that we hear back from each of you in the next couple of days to verify that everyone has received this information. Once you respond, we will send you a schedule for the day."

This is the second:

"Thanks for your understanding as we do everything we can to go through with the event, yet keep from losing thousands while we build this new tournament in the OC area."

When I read that, what it tells me is that they probably won't hear back from everyone who registered and if enough people request a refund that they're probably going to cancel the tournament all together as it wouldn't be cost effective for them at this point.... If I were to take a guess, I'd think that an email will go out at the very last minute today or tomorrow that states something like, "Due to the lack of local participation for this tournament we regret that we will have to... However, as we are sorry for those that registered we will allow them to play in our tournament in November for free."

Another thing that strikes me funny is that once they moved the location and adjusted to a 4-round tournament instead of 5. I wonder if they took into account just how long of a day that would be? Assuming that each round is 2.5 hours long that is a 10 hour day not including time set aside for registration, breaks, lunch, awards, and maybe dinner... Add those in and you're really looking at a 13-14 hour day easy. Are they providing lunch (and possibly dinner) to the players?

This thing is really turning into a train wreck fast.

@Wolflord Patrick

I'm actually worried that they will cancel it last minute. And I had thought of how long a day saturday is going to be. We're talking starting at 8 and ending at 8 if we're lucky. I remember when GW used to run 4 games on saturday GT's and it was a marathon that normally ended around 9pm. I'm going to be more than upset if they cancel at the last minute as we're already putting up with a change in venue and a massive change to the event.

So I heard back from Doc after I sent him an email this morning. It looks like they are just going to add the 4th game on to the current schedule after a 30 minute break at the end of game 3. This would mean dice down for the tournament at 9:30pm with prizes to follow.

Hey Y’all
Couple of things

1) For refunds you need to e-mail Mondo.
2) The event will not be canceled, even if just 2 players show up.
3) Yes, it will be a long day on Saturday, but I’ll do the best I can to make things run smoothly and I hope enjoyable to those who play. I believe we are adding a 30 minute break after round 3 and before round 4.
4) I’ve been told there will be a concession stand available for food.

Hope that helps

Doc

@Doc

I personally really appreciate the communication from you and the response time. Glad to hear it won't be cancelled no matter what. Thanks for the update.

FYI, normally I'm only on line during the morning to early afternoon and I check in here from time to time.

I fly out Friday and will not be able to check my e-mails or this site after 11am.

Doc


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Update from Mondo.............

Hi gang,


We've had a question about the scoring for the event with having only four games in place instead of five. What we are going to do is take your paint score, and then reduce it to 80% (multiply the score by .8) of the score, so it stays in proportion with the other scores.


Check in - 8:00am
1st game - 9:00am
Lunch break - 11:30am - 12:30pm
2nd game - 12:30pm - 3:00pm
3rd game - 3:30pm - 6:00pm
4th game - 7:00pm - 9:30pm
Cleanup and Awards - 9:30pm on


The new location for the event is the Knights of Columbus hall located at 1127 N. Anaheim Blvd, Anaheim CA 92801. I've attached a google map attachment to the new location from the old location. Here is the link.


Take care,
Mondo

Was just gonna post that. Thanks Doc.

@ Hulk

I hope it does go on for you and the other guys.

I remember the old style GW Grand Tournaments. I played in Seattle back in 2001 when the GT cost was $135 that included your hotel room and 3 buffets. (Good Times) You're right about the marathon it was on that first day, but at least it was in the hotel where everyone was staying so after your 4th game you could go up and crash-out in your room.

Hey Doc,

Are you guys gonna allow DH as allies in guard and marine armies now that the codexes have been revamped online and taken out the allies portion? Just want to know ahead of time. Thanks!

Yes, the 30 day rule is in effect. The PDF came out yesterday, so the old rules are still in use till 7/24.

Doc

Hi, I still have not heard anything about my refund, would you mind please looking into that?

Good luck guys! I hope you all have a great time.

I am going to be loving the World Cup, that USA goal at the last minute was epic!

I'll pass an e-mail to Mondo

Doc

Are there still room for walk ins? I might show up if the family thing falls through saturday. (for fantasy)

We have room for a total of 24 players. Currently we have ~16.

Reese, did you hear anything back about a refund of your ticket price?

I asked, and did not get a reply.

Yeah, they gave me mine, said it would take up to three weeks though.

So, did anyone show up?

What happened?

So 14 people showed up.

I won overall, Shep took second overall.

Venue was very hot though spacious enough.

Terrain was very open except for a table or two so shooty armies had a field day. The results reflected this (top BP's in order were SW, IG, IG). Buildings didn't have bases on them which is a pet peeve of mine.

It did run on schedule for the day and went very smoothly. Was it worth $60? Only because I pulled in my golden ticket so basically no. If they hadn't changed the format and venue with less than a week to go I would have had praises for them and would have considered worth the price. Prize support was fine. They are going to ship us plaques with our name on it in September so that they can do a bulk order.

As it is the tourney wasn't the trainwreck I was expecting and everyone there was having a good time from what I could see. But Gabriel Vega has a long road ahead of him to rebuild his credibility with the community for running Indy GT's.

Grats guys.

Hulk did you get top BP as well? If so would you mind posting your list? I'd like to do a feature on the top lists for my blog.

Yeah, I had the highest BP's by 16 and was the only 4-0 person there. My list is the same one I ran at the Slaughter and am probably taking to the NovaOpen. It's:

Grimnar
Dreadnought w/AC and HF
2xLone Wolves w/Power Weapons, 1 Has a Melta bomb
WG:
2xTeminators w/SS+WC
1xTerminator w/2 WC's
1xTerminator
1xTerminator w/Cyclone
1xTerminator w/Cyclone and Chainfist
3xWG w/Combi-Melta
1xWG w/Combi-Flamer
3x5 GH w/Melta in Heavy Bolter Razorback
1x5 GH w/Flamer in Heavy Bolter Razorback
3x6 LF w/5 Missile Launchers in Assault Cannon Razorback

That's it

I am not possitive but I think top BPs were actually SW, Ork, IG, IG... Vexing Grots!

Oh yeah, my buddy Ryan might have squeeked you out by 2 BP's. My bad. SW, Orks, IG, IG. Here is what I think the breakdown was army wise:

4 Guard
1 Witch Hunters
1 Daemon Hunters
1 Tyrannids
2 Blood Angels
1 Orks
1 Space Wolves
1 Tau
1 Space Marines
Not sure which armies I missed. I might be wrong about the total number of guard players. Funny that it wasn't even 50% Space Marines though.

Way to go Hulk and Shep! You guys got your tickets, nice!

Congrats to Hulksmash and Shep for the winning the tickets.

Hulksmash wrote:Oh yeah, my buddy Ryan might have squeeked you out by 2 BP's. My bad. SW, Orks, IG, IG. Here is what I think the breakdown was army wise:

4 Guard
1 Witch Hunters
1 Daemon Hunters
1 Tyrannids
2 Blood Angels
1 Orks
1 Space Wolves
1 Tau
1 Space Marines
Not sure which armies I missed. I might be wrong about the total number of guard players. Funny that it wasn't even 50% Space Marines though.

With the price that they charged and no advertising, most of the competitors were after a golden ticket, so it is not a surprise that over 50% of the armies were IG, BA and SW.

It was right at 50% for those 3 armies together. And one of the Guard players had a fair amount of Inquisitor allies and a list that wasn't really optomized. To be honest I only saw 3 "optomized" armies there. I can't include my buddies Orks because he's still tweaking to find his perfect fit. Otherwise it was me, Shep, and Absoluteblue that had the only truly tweaked/nasty lists. Though according to internet wisdom my wasn't tweaked

Grats Hulk!

How many players were there? You posted 13 armies, I'm hoping there were more than 13 players? =p

Nope, 13-14 guys total. Reece and Blackmoor dropped and got their refund when the venue and event changed. It was a glorified RTT w/4 games basically. But a golden ticket is a golden ticket

Though I think Shep and I will have the record for smallest venue to have picked up a golden ticket

Yeah, the frelling grots were his heros! 2 grots dug into an objective and survived. Grrr Ended up 1 BP behind Ryan, the Ork player. Was interesting day, some of the other lists were unexpected builds, and as noted, the two other IG lists were unoptimised and spent a lot of points on allies.

I now know that 4 2000 point games in a day is too much 40k Doh, did I say that... Heresy in the making!

I was exhausted.

AbsoluteBlue wrote:
I now know that 4 2000 point games in a day is too much 40k Doh, did I say that... Heresy in the making!

I was exhausted.

That's exactly why I didn't bother attending. A 14 hour day just isn't worth it unless I'm getting paid.

Or you get a golden ticket

but yeah, it was a hella long day. If they'd just cut some time between rounds they could have knocked at least an hour if not 2 off the total time. Oh well.

It is a bad time for me anyways, and then I had to drive for 6 hours to get there, and then I am staying in the Valley so it is a very long day when I have to drive another 1.5 hours to get down to the OC for a one day tournament.

Oh and $120 in gas doesn't help.

Oh, if I lived more than 15 minutes away I probably would have asked for my money back to assuming I hadn't paid for a hotel room. But luckily for me it was right at about 15 minutes. Though I'd totally forgotten how tiring 4 game days were. At least 4 games at 2k.....

Congtatz to Hulk and Shep, as I understand it my good friend Bob won it on the Fantasy side and got his Golden Ticket. (However, there was only 4-5 Fantasy players total)

Congrats to Hulksmash & Shep. Two people I think that are very deserving of a golden ticket.

Awww...you say the sweetest things Asugradinwa

Yeah, now we have two hitters out of the way for the rest of us shleps to get our tickets! haha.

Hulksmash wrote:Nope, 13-14 guys total. Reece and Blackmoor dropped and got their refund when the venue and event changed. It was a glorified RTT w/4 games basically. But a golden ticket is a golden ticket

Though I think Shep and I will have the record for smallest venue to have picked up a golden ticket

After the amount you griefed me about what an "easy draw" I had to get MY golden ticket, you are NEVER going to hear the end of this one. Winning a small RTT for a Golden Ticket. Psshhh. Back in my day, we had to wear paper bags on our feet because we didn't have shoes...

It's the people and armies. Not the number

At least I had to play IG And a list that is my anti-christ but that should never see the light of day because it's so bad against everyone else.....

Hulksmash wrote:

At least I had to play IG

Tell me that you went second and I'll respect you again.

Dashofpepper wrote:

Hulksmash wrote:

At least I had to play IG

Tell me that you went second and I'll respect you again.

Well, he didn't win the roll to go first.

From Mondo
********************

Hi gang,


Scores have been posted on the front page of the ConQuest GT website at http://www.conquestgt.com


Also, be sure and catch the latest podcast from Southern California Warhammer Radio at http://www.socalwarhammer.net


Take care,
Mondo

Wow, only 17 for both systems. That will definitely set a record for highest percentage of Golden Tickets given out.)
50% of the people attending for fantasy got tickets.)

FYI, if the math totals don't look right for some, there was 2 extra points for those that turned in their army list early Brad and I didn't, so our math is correct, but others have 2 points added to their totals. (Wasn't a factor in end results, but just in case people were wondering where some of the extra 2 points came from)

Does anyone know how to get a hold of these guys? They were supposed to refund my money for my ticket and it has been nearly two months and I have heard nothing.

I emalied my point of contact with them and he ha snot responded.

Can anyone help a brotha out here? I want to get my refund money back, September is going to be a super expensive month and I need every dollar.

Try both of them. I don't know if they will respond. This was actually one of the reasons I just went since I figured I wouldn't see my money back. Also contact EdS@gamesworkshop.com (might be games-workshop.com). He's GW lead on GT events and might be able to help you out too.

OK cool, thanks Hulksmash.

I have never heard from them either. I have sent them many e-mails and no response.

I think the conventions are put on by Avalon Hill so I was thinking about writing them a letter threatening them with a lawsuit since they are under their umbrella to have them either pay up, or put some pressure on the people who run the 40k events for future events.

But if they will not give me back my money it is either sue them, or show up at one of their conventions with bad intentions.

Yeah they still aren't responding to me either. I am going to contact GW and most likely spread the word around the net community that Avalon hill gaming and conquest are shady business people.

I vote if you have a friend that's a lawyer put that letter head to good use. You'd be amazed how many people respond swiftly when facing legal action. It's not like it wouldn't be cheaper than a lawyer to do refunds. Good luck guys.

So this is the information from the Conquest GT page:

Mondo Vega
Tournament Organizer

"Doc" Dragon
Head Judge


So I guess Mondo Vega's real name is Gabriel Vega. I can find his personal information if I have a few more clues. Does anyone know what city he lives in? How old is he etc?

I guess I can get it from Doc Dragon because of his name I can get all of his personal information easy enough. But he seems like a nice guy and I do not want to drag him trough the mud unless I have to.

Maybe this is a job for Tasty Taste. Whenever a 40K player calls out an injustice, he is there to right wrongs! Plus he is in the bay area where they are located as well.

Hey Y'all

I'm not sure I can help much here.

As a FORMER employee of Gabriel and ConQuest I don’t have much pull.

I would suggest you contact:

Gabriel Vega <mondo@avalongamecon.com>
Keisha Patterson <metrognome@avalongamecon.com>

And if you don’t get an answer call GW.

As for me, after not getting paid for working in LA and some other issues with the Santa Clara GT it is clear that I was working for the wrong person. Too bad, I enjoyed traveling and meeting new players, but in the end it was a job for me and once I don’t get paid, well as you can guess I’m not very interested in working for him again.

It is possible I still might get paid, and y’all will get your refunds and or prize support after Pacificon next weekend, but I’m not holding my breath.


I wish you all the best. Where I can I'll push a bit to see if I can help, but I don't know where Gabriel lives or how to reach him except via e-mail.

I'll keep you posted if I learn of anything? Please PM me if you get something also.

Doc

I'm sorry to hear about that Doc. You seemed like a good guy. I was extremely glad I didn't drop and expect a refund because when my buddy that was there playing Orks saw who was running the tournament he had less than kind things to say about Gabriel who used to run a hobby shop in Ventura county where my buddy worked for another game shop.

I just noticed that Mondo is still trying to run GT's in the Northwest and claiming to be a qualifier for the GW GT. I think I'll shoot GW an email since they definitely don't want to be seen in business with Gabe.

Oh and Doc, you might want to check out the website: http://conquestgt.avalongamecon.com/index.html

He's still got you listed as head judge on 2/3 events on the page.

Yep, I know about the web page. I've asked to be removed.
Take care all, I'll be around keeping an eye on the forum to stay in contact with y'all.
Doc


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Just a thought, if you paid via Credit Card you can always call the bank and have them reverse the charge.

What a bummer all around.

Thanks Doc for your help, I emailed those people and have heard nothing from them. I am going to call PayPal and try to reverse the charges.

That is such shady practice and totally unprofessional. They should at least write us back and let us know what's going on, even if there have been delays.

Well, i am going to write a letter to GW and post some info stating the facts about what's been going on with these jokers all over the place. They are giving the hobby a bad name with their crappy practices.


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Wow. Mondo is a true scum bag, or at least appears to be.

He told me to wait for 6 weeks to get my refund....just long enough to not be able to file a claim with PayPal I just found out.

I filed a complain with PayPal and they refunded half my money as a courtesy and are trying to contact Mondo to resolve the issue.

I am now writing GW and am gong to draft a letter to spread through the net community to let others know just how shady this guy and his "business" are.


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I just got off the phone with GW and as soon as I mentioned Conquest GT's, the rep, John Hollingsworth, said, wait, is this guy named Mondo?

I laughed.

Apparently he's had a lot of problems and GW want nothing to do with the guy.

This dude is a snake. I want o make sure as many people as possible know to avoid him and his events like the plague.

Actually, I have a question:

Will Hulksmash and the other guys that won "Golden Tickets" at the LA Conquest be honored? Especially since that was the draw for the 16 or so people that did show up...

Also, I'm guessing that the winners never received those plaques that were supposed to show up with your names engraved on them as well? (I'm just guessing...)

No plaque although that isn't suppose to show up for another month or so or something. Not really a big deal to me. But as for the ticket I've been told by several different TO's that they recieved an email before the event that the golden tickets would be honored from LA and that was the last one for Vega. I've also popped an email in to make sure as well which I expect a response to in the next week or so. I'm not as worried about the golden ticket since at least 2 of the TO's that recieved the email are both people I trust. I just don't want anyone else to get hosed like several people already have.

Hey just registered to help out.

Blackmoor you said you needed more info to try and locate/contact him? Here is what I have dug up.

Blog for events(includes personal info)

http://lavidamondo.blogspot.com/

There is also a link on the left side that has a direct link to another website about him. The url for that one is

http://www.gabrielvega.com/

I just received my refund, FYI everyone. Funny how that happened the day I started posting what happened all over the place.

Good, now if Blackmoor got his maybe it'll all be fixed. Still won't attend but I won't crow from the rooftops that they are crooks Only took 3 months.

I just checked my paypal account and got nothing.

Reesius, what phone number did you call him at, and what e-mail address did you use?

Doc, you have my sympathies.

If you need to vent to someone else who has worked with Mondo feel free to shoot me a PM.

@Blackmoor
The money just came out of nowhere. He wasn't answering my emails or phone calls. I started letting the community know about what he was doing and all of a sudden the money just appeared. I talked to PayPal and they called him as well, but as far as I know, he never responded to them.

FacelessMage wrote:Doc, you have my sympathies.

If you need to vent to someone else who has worked with Mondo feel free to shoot me a PM.

Thanks for the offer.

I still have small hopes of getting paid next week.

I'm not holding my breath.

FYI I made a post compiling all the crimes against Wargaming Gabriel "Mondo" Vega has made.

Please for your own good avoid any events he is running!

http://bloodofkittens.com/2010/08/31/40k-douche-bag-mondo-vega-conquest-tournament-organizer/

As well sorry to hear what happened to you Doc. I will see at the Grand Waaagh.

tastytaste wrote:FYI I made a post compiling all the crimes against Wargaming Gabriel "Mondo" Vega has made.

Please for your own good avoid any events he is running!

http://bloodofkittens.com/2010/08/31/40k-douche-bag-mondo-vega-conquest-tournament-organizer/

As well sorry to hear what happened to you Doc. I will see at the Grand Waaagh.

Thanks, but I wanted to clear up a few bits of wrong info.

My Traveling expense was paid for, I just didn't get my fee for being a judge. After being told it would be a week (back after the LA GT) now it's after Pacifcon this weekend. I'll wait till Tuesday and send a request for payment.

Whether or not I get paid I'll not be helping or attending any event run by Mondo. Which in the end is a shame. I did consider him a friend until recently. I guess I'm not as good at judging character as I thought.

Hey Doc; will the results be sent into RankingsHQ?