enjoy for they wont stay up for long!

http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/1272156636203,2386ddd328d73882c4261593eb726455.jpg.html

http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/1272156595969,098e61e60bc1096f6fc49748e2f33b70.jpg.html

still not shure about the prism, but the spinner I like

I like the new prism better than the old. I didn't buy it because I didn't like the model, but I will get the new one.

Fire prism is different... but still cool looking to me, honestly I dont care if they put a donkey on the end of the cannon.. ITS PLASTIC so its like 1000x better already

i could see people buying the new prism but simply leaving off the boom attached after the jewel to make it look like the old one. it looks like it could hopefully be a single kit with the parts for both... *crossing mon-kiegh fingers*

Whoa!

Didn't see THAT coming from the Fire Prism!

The Night Spinner looks as expected though, which is an OK thing.

And, with the magic of 'right click save as', these pictures will be around... forever!

Thanks for posting!

From the looks of it, they did a redesign of the hull. It looks like the rear end/side is completely different. The exhaust ports look different as well.

midget_overlord wrote:enjoy for they wont stay up for long!

http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/1272156636203,2386ddd328d73882c4261593eb726455.jpg.html

http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/1272156595969,098e61e60bc1096f6fc49748e2f33b70.jpg.html

still not shure about the prism, but the spinner I like

Just letting you know: when i follow the links there's a username field AND password field filled in, not sure if it's relevant but thought you might want to know for preventative measures.
EDIT: never mind. I don't speak French that well, I got confused. Ignore it.

They look like add ons to me.

The forgeworld ones do a better job as these look like they fit kinda weird, where as the forgeworld ones look like an extension to the hull.

The engine parts might count as star engines.

Thanks for posting these. Prism is a huge improvement over the old one and the Night Spinner is cool. I would've liked the Falcon/Serpent hull to be re-designed to look more like the FW Eldar superheavies (longer, sleeker, more aggressive and more modern) but of course that won't happen untill 2020 the earliest.

Cool!

I kind of wish they would make hull variations though, that falcon is becoming a eldar rhino lol (20 kits consisiting of the same tank with a diff turret).

The spinner looks as expected, the prism is obviously a big change. I like it! I also liked the older version though, they do not look like the same family of turret though, a bold decision. Too bad you can't choose to build either (or maybe you could?).

Thanks, so nice to get an old school non-gw sneak peek these days!

I really like the spinner.

I feel that the similarity between the two basically necessitates that there will be one plastic kit with options for both.

Thanks very much for posting!

The tank looks different than the Falcon. I don't think it's just a Falcon kit with an additional sprue for the top gun(s). Very cool. I'll wait until I see the actual Nightspinner rules before making a decision to buy, however.

I cannot wait for these to come out. I have put off buying a Fire Prism for my Eldar until the plastic one becomes availabe simply because CORVUS HAET METAL

I may actually sell my half-painted Fire Prism now for two of these...

Well, good thing the old fire prism kit was just a falcon kit with metal fire prism upgrades slapped in there. Now I can do reverse conversions and turn them back into falcons, so I have an excuse to get the newer ones.

I very much like the new fire prism. They toned down the prism cannon so it's not all fat and goofy looking. The first Dawn of War had the right idea when they made the prism look smaller and more slender. Nice to see GW working the unflattering exaggerations out of their models.

Archonate wrote:I very much like the new fire prism. They toned down the prism cannon so it's not a fat, off balanced, and generally fugly hunk of metal.

Fixed.

I must make an Eldar army.

Bad news about the nightspinner, it's AP -

I'm so hot for the Fire Prism though.

Both are quite good. I think the subtle changes to the turret make it look more Eldar-y and harken back a bit to the old Armourcast designs and the Type 1 forgeworld superheavies, but looks better than both.

The body looks like the original with just some bits added on. I'm not sure about the Prism Cannon. The smaller crystal is welcome (and is that transparent plastic?), but that long barrel looks weird. Probably partly because it is pointing down. But it should be easy enough to change.

Anyone remember how the falcon sprue is laid out? Are the body and the turret parts on the same frame?

Overall I think it's a solid kit and it should be very easy to magnetize and swap out both gun bits. And it should be cool for kitbashing.

You know what I've always felt would be cool? An Eldar terrain piece featuring a prism cannon and 4 feeder lasers radiating around it, set up to be an anti-orbital turret. The new prism cannon would work very well for that I think.

Also, on the Fire prism, is that a Shuriken Cannon undermounted on the nose?

Would be sweet in plastic.

I have yoinked them and put them in the gallery for all to enjoy.

JOHIRA wrote:Anyone remember how the falcon sprue is laid out? Are the body and the turret parts on the same frame?

No. The Falcon comes with two sprues for the body and one sprue for the Falcon turret (Plus one heavy sprue). Likewise, the Wave Serpent sprue somes with two Falcon sprues for the body and one Wave Serpent parts sprue (Plus two heavy sprues).

It is very likely that this kit will contain the two sprues for the Falcon body and one Prism/Spinner Sprue (alongside clear pieces for prism and windshields).

I like the new Prism. Pity I´m more into IG right now.

M.

Not totally sold on the Prism. Need to see it from more angles. At the moment the long barrel just screams 'unnecessary' to me.

The Night Spinner is ace. I like the FW one, but this is quite cool as well.

Well, the Spinner looks absolutely cool.
Not sure about the 2nd tank. It could be a Falcon, too.

I'm actually not that into the night spinner.
The top turret is too big, it looks top heavy and not agile enough to be a eldar tank.

I cried a little bit inside of me when I saw those models.

Yes, the FW Night Spinner is goofy. Yes, the metal Fire Prism bitz are way heavy and too big.

But this new kit just looks cheap for the sake of cheap.

FAIL.

I won't be buying either kit.


God help us if they do the same kind of thing to feth up the Superheavies when those roll around..

Scottywan82 wrote:Also, on the Fire prism, is that a Shuriken Cannon undermounted on the nose?

Would be sweet in plastic.

Wave Serpent Kit has a plastic Shuriken Cannon for the undermount.

I like the look of both, and it appears that it's going to be a single combined kit. If you look at the Fire Prism turret, it appears that it has the space for the double guns of the Night Spinner likely replaced by a targeting array of some sort.

Love the new fire prism, no so much about the night spinner, I'll probably still get them both anyway.

Is it really a prism?
The cannon looks really small.

wow cool I kinda like the new fire prism much better then the old one who ever had the great idea to cast the gun part in metal should be hit really hard.

Changed my mind , i like them rofl.

Just dont like the extension after the prism piece.

not a fan of both tbh, the prism looks a little slender with a lance stuck on it and the night spinner looks too top heavy for me.

The turret looks pretty modular. Will they be in the same kit?

Maybe a taste of things to come?

Turret's a bit massive looking in the spinner pic but looks as though it flows nicely with the rest of the model in the prism pic, guess it's gonna have to be one of those models you need to check out for yourself. In either case I like the new weapon designs, particularly the prism cannon, it looks much more like a pinpoint and long range laser beam kinda thing which suits it imo.

I'll be getting some one day when I get around to an Eldar army.

Wow. Guess who is going to bring up his Eldar army on his to do list.

Yeah I'm pretty sure these are going to be in the same kit, the turrets are identical with weapon mounts for either Prism + targeter or 2 x Night Spinner weapon. Considering the Night Spinner appears to be AP- based on the description in picture its probably a good thing they will be one kit, I can't see it being particularly popular unless it has some special rule we don't know about yet.

Not quite what I was expecting for the Prism. Imo the biggest issue is the fact that the the actual prism/crystal part looks pathetically small compared to the to the barrel and as such doesn't instantly convey the fact that it is a Fire PRISM like the existing one does. By the looks of it conversions to the barrel and prism could be possible though. The Night Spinner looks ok I guess, the smaller main weapon makes it look a bit less streamlined though.

However I think both of them really show how badly dated the Falcon hull is. The turrets are essentially all that they have changed, and they look pretty good, very sleek and streamlined as you would expect on an Eldar tank (you couldn't make them any more streamlined without making the gunner not fit in the turret). The problem is that the sleek lines don't really match up with the older Falcon hull which it appears they haven't touched at all, it just seems a bit too blocky/short in comparison. If you stretched out the hull by maybe another inch or so (the front part, not extending the back like the Serpent does) I think it would look much better.

Having said that I'm still going to be buying a couple, its going to be nice to be able to actually put my Prisms on a flying stand when I am playing (to get LOS etc properly) without breaking it every time.

I prefer the new Fire Prism to the old one. Now I hope that you can buy the sprue separately, as I have 2 unassembled Fire Prisms at home, waiting for a solution to the Prism assembly.

BTW the hull is exactly the same, just the wind shields at the back added.

The Spinner looks a bit blocky and I never understood why the weapon has no AP. Isn't supposed to be this super thin/sharp wire stuff. There should be some armor penetration with that.

Not entirely sold on the prism either. I'd prefer just a crystal.

The Prism does get a slight range increase with such a long barrel.

Not sure about the Prism. I still like the old one but conversion of the new one might be the solution i.e loose the barrel 'extension'.

Looks like they'll be both in the same kit judging by the turret design. makes sense seeing as you get a few options for armament in the Leman Russ kit.

I didn't like the Prism when I first looked at it. But then I didn't like the current Rhino when I first saw it, or the new Trukk, and then changed my mind. Sometimes the first impression of a new kit of an existing model is heavily coloured by expectations - you have a fixed idea in your mind of what should be changed and what should be retained, and the first instinct is to reject what the designers have done.

Looking at it again here (thanks Kyoto for posting it), I think it's actually rather cool. The configuration is a bit too similar to the Hammerhead, but it looks quite elegant, and sells the idea of a powerful anti-tank weapon. I do wish the actual prism part was a bit bulkier though, and it might look a bit sleeker without the driver's canopy. I don't have an Eldar army (just a few of their best models), but I would happily have a couple of these. 8 out of 10.

It looks as though there are a couple of side pieces to extend the hull and help balance that large turret. It's amazing how durable that old Falcon hull is. It still looks good after all this time - a testament to Jes Goodwin's genius.

I don't really like the Night Spinner (even after a couple more looks at it). It's not bad, it's just kind of uninspiring. I don't think the big turret is really justified by those smallish weapons.

I am "meh" about the new Prism, but I hated the old one, so it is a definite improvement.

I love the turret. Looks like it could work as a standalone model. An Eldar "land speeder" if you will.

Thumbs up to both from me. The prism looks spot on, very Eldar in design. The last one was too chunky for an Eldar weapon IMO.

I don't think the angle for the prism in the picture was a good angle to get a good feel for it.

I agree with Flashman, the night spinner's guns don't seem to have good proportions in the picture.

With the correct angle , i imagine it to look like FW Eldar Scorpion? sort of?

EmpBobo wrote:I don't think the angle for the prism in the picture was a good angle to get a good feel for it.

I agree with Flashman, the night spinner's guns don't seem to have good proportions in the picture.

Lol, think you agree with someone else, that's not what I said is it?

The new prism looks like it is inspired by the old eldar tempest tank design.

From the looks of it, they did a redesign of the hull. It looks like the rear end/side is completely different. The exhaust ports look different as well.

It looks like the same hull but it looks like they have added the bits to make vectored engines. Hopefully this means they are adding the vehicle wargear bits to the sprue heh.

Night spinner would be cool in an army with a crap load of scorpions. Here is hoping they have a points reduction on all the Eldar vehicles soon!!

Yeah simply giving it a more slender crystal would have been fine, but I think they wanted to somehow convey that this is a very powerful weapon by keeping it large, but without making it chunky. The extension is just a bit too long imo, but I like that it now has two crystals.

Since someone has the WD with these, can we see the IG tanks too? =)

Cut the dongle off the Fire Prism and I have no qualms with it. Night Spinner looks fine enough to me, and nowhere near as over the top as the FW one.

chaos0xomega wrote:From the looks of it, they did a redesign of the hull. It looks like the rear end/side is completely different. The exhaust ports look different as well.

No its the same hull just added bits.

Either way, as an Eldar player I really appreciate that these models simply don't look like yet another Falcon Chassis and Turret with a modified weapon.

We have the Falcon, Fire Prism, Night Spinner and Firestorm all on the same basic structure and it looked quite boring.

I loved the Wave Serpent only because it looked fundamentally different than other Eldar "medium" tanks.

Well, ultimately, the good thing is that they're all plastic now, so with a little bit of work, changes can be made to match just about anyone's wish!

Yeah - go plastic!

Alpharius wrote:Well, ultimately, the good thing is that they're all plastic now, so with a little bit of work, changes can be made to match just about anyone's wish!

Yeah - go plastic!

QFT! I also think I'll be ditching the boom on the FP.

I like em both. They do look a bit beefier which is kinda kool.

Well, we now know that the Night Spinner has AP (-)

Just perused the text next to the model

The prism looks great but I'm not liking the night spinner :( just looks way too top heavy.. maybe it's just the angle. but it looks like it wants to fly off on it's own and not be attached to a dumb falcon

I need to get me a scorpion type 2 fast, I got a feeling the turret could be used for an all plastic scorpion from gw.

Stick 2 long barrelled pulsars, and It could work.

Now I just wonder if they will change the falson as well when they redo the codex. They could take the opportunity to change the rules as well.

I wonder how the new turret would look with a pulse laser.

They both look quite nice, although the fire prism cannon does look a little too long for the tank.

Not too bad overall though, and 100% better than the metal one. Dang I get a shiver just thinking about putting that horror story together, the less metal/plastic combi kits the better in my book.

I like them both. The turret is possibly a fraction large, but that could just be down to camera angle. The Nightspinner weapons look a little downsized from the Forgeworld version, which is good... they always looked a little goofy. And the new prism cannon is a huge improvement over the 'just bung a crystal on it' old version. The longer barrel seems more appropriate, to me.

I foresee a lot of small Eldar flyer conversions coming from that turret...

Huh, would have expected them to keep the design of the Fire Prism and just recut the sprues. I like the Night Spinner, but I'm not yet convinced by the Prism, which looks slightly off-balance. Might be a problem with the photograph.
One thing I have to agree with, though: You can't really improve on the Falcon hull. For a design that's more than ten years old it holds up remarkably well.


Is the bigger one of the cristals (the one closer to the turret) clear or opaque? Would be weird if one was clear plastic and the other one wasn't.

Flashman wrote:Well, we now know that the Night Spinner has AP (-)

Just perused the text next to the model

Well, no surprise here, as the Nightspinner always had AP - , that's why I always doubted its usefulness in Heavy Support.

Are we just looking at a mobile twin-linked shadow weaver here? In which case,

I'm loving both tanks!

Not sure about the Fire Prism, I think that elongated barrel will stap off in transport really easily.

I own 12 eldar grav tanks, and will not be adding any new prisms to my fleet. I could care less for them, they look silly. I will however buy some night spinners when time comes, I have money set aside to finish up my bugs.

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I ... will not be adding any new prisms to my fleet ... I will however buy some night spinners when time comes...

You understand that they're the same kit, and you could do it in a modular style if you wanted?

HBMC, what've I told you about using logic?

Stop it! Stop it now!

I love the look of that prism for sure. Nice work on it

Anyone else think Night Spinners will be able to be taken in Squadrons?

In Spearhead, probably yes.

Of course, GW needs you to buy lots of them

Look great. I'd buy eldar tanks,but I dont have a spraygun,so it's way harder to paint them....sigh

Aduro wrote:Anyone else think Night Spinners will be able to be taken in Squadrons?

More like: Anybody think Eldar Grav-Tanks *won't* be available in Squadrons?

GW's got a lot of models to sell, and Squadrons are the easy way to do it.

Even if they can be taken in squadrons why anyone would be taking Night Spinners in Spearhead is beyond me. Considering its supposed/expected to be based around large tank battles I can't see a below par anti-infantry tank being much help.

Fire Prisms in squadrons on the other hand .

Outside of Spearhead I think squadrons for the main Eldar tanks is unlikely (in the next codex when they get around to it), probably just make the Falcon available as a dedicated transport.

Maybe the Night Spinner always hits the Rear Armor of vehicles.

Maybe it creates dangerous terrain.

Maybe it creates Dangerous Terrain that always hits the Rear Armor...

Powerguy wrote:Even if they can be taken in squadrons why anyone would be taking Night Spinners in Spearhead is beyond me. Considering its supposed/expected to be based around large tank battles I can't see a below par anti-infantry tank being much help.

Fire Prisms in squadrons on the other hand .

Outside of Spearhead I think squadrons for the main Eldar tanks is unlikely (in the next codex when they get around to it), probably just make the Falcon available as a dedicated transport.

We don't know it'll be exclusively tank battles.

We could be getting rules for having armored spearheads breaking through fortifications(which would be manned almost exclusively with infantry!) or things like that.

Maybe it always hits rear armor, creates dangerous terrain and on a roll of a 6 creates rending ponies?

It's AP- against Infantry, but against Vehicles it's Str10 AP1 Melta Lance.

According to the most recent but most likely soon to be obsolete FW rules the Night Spinner is a str. 6 AP - heavy 1 7" blast weapon with no special weapons rules.

I believe the "new" rules for it are something like S6 AP-, barrage, and a unit hit by it counts as being in dangerous/difficult terrain in their next movement phase.

Not 100% certain of that though.

Of course this is a disappointment. A new turret does not make a new tank.

I don't think it's an issue of the turrets being too big as much as the tank being too short in the back. If they had the same extension as the Falcon Type II, then the turret would look proper size to the eye. If I were into Eldar, I might by the conversion kit just to make the Nightspinner/Fire Prism look better visually.

olympia wrote:Of course this is a disappointment. A new turret does not make a new tank.

Tell that an IG player looking at the "new" models for Chimera, Basilisk and Leman Russ

Breotan wrote:I don't think it's an issue of the turrets being too big as much as the tank being too short in the back. If they had the same extension as the Falcon Type II, then the turret would look proper size to the eye. If I were into Eldar, I might by the conversion kit just to make the Nightspinner/Fire Prism look better visually.

Maybe use the elongated hull of a Serpent. Or, as you said, just add the FW parts.



Or use the Serpent with the Mk 2 FW parts

They look mad sexy! Prism cannon here I come!

Thanks OP and Kyoto as my dial up couldn't load the OP picks.

I like the old Prism (so muchI just bought 4 of the things for an Appocalypse prism unit) - though I hate the way it is so unbalanced - I wish they'd just upgraded the old metal bits to plastic rather that messing around with the design.

I managed to 'balance' one of my metal prisms by gluing metal washers to the interior door and floor of the Fire Prism itself. It's nice and heavy now.

Either way, a plastic kit is always welcome and completely removes the hassle of using it from-the-kit. The current Prism is simply a nightmare to glue on and glue together with a snug fit.
Plus, many Eldar players I know have had their flying stands break due to the unbalanced weight of the unit.

Or knock it off the edge of the table because of its lopsidedness. Friend of mine did that. He didn't even bother putting it back together.

Is it just me, or does the top canopy look different than the standard one? Might just be the angle though.

I was talking with a friend the other day, and I just noticed that someone else mentioned it as well, the Falcon really needs to be a dedicated transport. I would love to see a new Eldar "tank" come out to fill it's role. Not just another Falcon chassis, but something quite a bit bigger, i.e. Valk sized.

Not that I don't like the Falcon chassis, I do, and I hope they don't mess with it.

I love the new gun designs but don't like the new turrents. Looks like a horshoe crab humping a cochroach. The guns would look awesome on falcon turrents though.


That prism gun is more like how I always imagined it.

The new turrets are horrific. It works for the night spinner, but the fire prism looks atrocious. The freekin' gun is longer than the tank. I think we'll see a lot of conversions cutting out that long barrel piece.

this is nasty.

good thing i dont play eldar.

Also, is there any word anywhere on whether the nightspinner will be another FW to regular 40k crossover like the trygon?

Fixed...

That looks pretty good actually.

Yeah...I think it looks better stock than that, Oni.

As for the turret:
It works far better than the Falcon's turret with added gubbins.
It looks more like a "tank" turret than just a plain old Falcon with a big gun strapped on.

My thoughts on the Fire Prism/Nightspinner;

Kanluwen wrote:Yeah...I think it looks better stock than that, Oni.

As for the turret:
It works far better than the Falcon's turret with added gubbins.
It looks more like a "tank" turret than just a plain old Falcon with a big gun strapped on.

To each his own. If I were an eldar player (I used to be back in 2nd edition) it's how I would make it look.

I can respect that.

Your version just seems, to me at least, to look a little bit like a pacifier or a Lego vehicle.

But then, you could feel the same way about the standard one!

Oni, that looks brilliant. You just sold me on this kit.

Oni's 'shop actually does look pretty cool. I like the long barrel myself, but wouldn't be at all surprised to see a few fielded like that.

Oni's version looks like the old DoW Fire Prism. The smaller prism cannon looks pretty good.


Though the new long barrel does have a certain Eldar look to it...

Nice stuff! Makes me itchy dusting off that eldar again. But I have to finish my Tyranids first... Well, I think I will get two of those.

I certainly like the new Fire Prism design, brings it in line with the other eldar guns.

Greets
Schepp himself

I think the only reason that the Fire Prism was elongated is that the Nightspinner would look a little too similar.

Thinking I'll need to pick up two more of the current Fire Prisms, then one of the new ones - as the Command Tank for the Apocalypse Sunstorm Squadron... bringing the unit up to 6 models.

While I do like the new prism it being plastic it looks a bit like a modified pulse laser.

Love the Nightspinner, looks so much better than the forgeworld version (and that's the first time anybody's ever said that when comparing GW to FW )


Not sold on the new prism design but I do like Oni's version. I can see people building the longer barrel, though, if only for the extra 2-3" of range...

They are smexy looking. I like them both a lot, especially the turret and extended wings.

Some rumors regarding the Nightspinner's rules;
- Maximum range is the same as a battlecannon, it also has a minimum range (so assume barrage).
- Large blast that has the same Strength and AP as a deathspinner.
- It's rending.
- Units hit by it count as being in difficult and dangerous terrain the following turn (it doesn't create terrain though).
- Same point cost as a Fire Prism.

Rube wrote:- Maximum range is the same as a battlecannon, it also has a minimum range (so assume barrage).
- Large blast that has the same Strength and AP as a deathspinner.

You know you can just say "72 inches" and then list the Strength and AP. The Great Cease & Desist Letter in the Sky isn't going to swoop down because you report some rumoured rules.

Rending is less powered but in keeping with the fluff of how the things actually worked.

Rending is also the rule to hand out when you can't think of anything else, and are scared or giving it a good AP value.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Rending is also the rule to hand out when you can't think of anything else, and are scared or giving it a good AP value.

Yep.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Rube wrote:- Maximum range is the same as a battlecannon, it also has a minimum range (so assume barrage).
- Large blast that has the same Strength and AP as a deathspinner.

You know you can just say "72 inches" and then list the Strength and AP. The Great Cease & Desist Letter in the Sky isn't going to swoop down because you report some rumoured rules.

Yeah I know, GW don't have a copyright on random collections of coincidentally similar numbers (yet). I just stole those rumors off Warseer where it was worded like that, and didn't change the values out of deference to the original poster (also, laziness).

edit - how can say they were being lazy by giving it rending anyway, when it also gives a dangerous terrain test? That's another round of delayed rending if they try to move! This is literally the apex of GW's originality right here - IT RENDS TWICE!!1

H.B.M.C. wrote:Rending is also the rule to hand out when you can't think of anything else, and are scared or giving it a good AP value.

QFT. Monofiliment, my behind.

I think that rending does capture the flavor of the weapon fairly effectively, and the dangerous terrain test is cool too. I would have liked to see it ignore cover though.

I doubt they will see use over the Prism unless they are significantly cheaper, and I believe someone above me posted that they are the same points cost.

Really not a fan of the new models. The turret looks like someone glued a cutoff Vyper on top and the Prism cannon is ridiculously large. If they were changing the prism cannon focused shot into a single shot weapon it might make sense. Nightspinner has always been rather meh in my eyes, one thing we lack is viable AP3 and we aren't really lacking in the High Strength crap AP boat... nor heavy options.

I think the way to get people to use them over the Prism is to give them Squadrons. Take two Prisms, and a Squadron of Night Spinners.

Aduro wrote:I think the way to get people to use them over the Prism is to give them Squadrons. Take two squadrons of Prisms, and a Squadron of Night Spinners.

Fixed that for ya

Well, I doubt the Prism will get new rules, just the new fig. The Night Spinner on the other hand being the whole new vehicle with brand new rules is more open to it, plus you need the reason to take it over a Prism. If you can take Prisms in Squadrons then people will just take three Squadrons of Prisms.

Aramus wrote:I think that rending does capture the flavor of the weapon fairly effectively, and the dangerous terrain test is cool too. I would have liked to see it ignore cover though.

I doubt they will see use over the Prism unless they are significantly cheaper, and I believe someone above me posted that they are the same points cost.

They also cause a difficult terrain test. I think that's the really big deal here. Imagine the following - a unit of assault marines is hit by the Nightspinner. If the owning player moves the unit every model receives an auto-hitting rending attack (dangerous terrain), and after that it might fudge it's difficult terrain roll anyway and only move 1 or 2 inches! Hit a really expensive unit and you might tempt your opponent not to move at all! Either way it's win-win for the Eldar player.

Let's do the mathhammer for 2 Fire Prisms (1x twin-linked large blast, S6 Ap3) vs 2 Nightspinners (2x twin-linked large blast, S6 Ap- rending, dangerous terrain test) shooting at squads of 10 MEQs, assuming they hit 5 marines per large blast on average (which I think is fair considering it's twin-linked);

MEQs out of cover

Fire Prisms
5 hit
4.16r wounds (5 * 0.83r)
= 4.2 killed

Night Spinners
10 hit
6.6r regular wounds (10 * 0.6r)
2.2r failed armor saves (6.6r * 0.3r)
1.6r rending wounds (10 * 0.16r)
= 3.8 killed

..the remaining 8 marines in each squad hit by the Nightspinners take a dangerous terrain test;
2.6r failed dangerous terrain tests (16 * 0.16r)
= 6.5 killed (3.8 + 2.7)


MEQs in cover

Fire Prisms
5 hit
4.16r wounds (5 * 0.83r)
2.083r failed cover saves (4.16r * 0.5)
= 2.1 killed

Night Spinners
10 hit
6.6r regular wounds (10 * 0.6r)
2.2r failed armor saves (6.6r * 0.3r)
1.6r rending wounds (10 * 0.16r)
0.83r failed cover saves (1.6r * 0.5)
= 3.1 killed

..the remaining 8 marines in each squad hit by the Nightspinners take a dangerous terrain test (no cover save!);
2.6r failed dangerous terrain tests (16 * 0.16r)
= 5.8 killed (3.1 + 2.7)


Sorry about that, that was grossly generalised and inaccurate even by the usually poor standards of mathhammer.

The Nightspinner beats the Fire Prism against infantry, and it forces difficult terrain tests, and it doesn't lose it's oomph against MEQs when one explodes (one dead Fire Prism = no more Ap3). Of course, the Fire Prism still has the versatility as anti-tank so I suppose the use of the Nightspinner is determined by how many Fire Dragons you spam in your list!

/unnecessarily long answer

Kudos Rube on the Mathhammer, opens the eyes a bit. That is of course if the marines move vs just standing there next turn and it that is even part of the rules for them.

Any truth to the rumors that Nightspinners can carry 6 models? If not, no big loss, but if it's true it gives your Dire Avenger transport something to do while it waits out of LoS.

Bummer if the rumors are true. Did the Eldar really need another S6 weapon? (I'm deployed and don't have an Eldar codex handy). Isn't a Deathspinner AP - ? The BS of the tank will also be another deciding factor BS3 or BS4?

All in all, not really getting all that excited by the rules.

If it's a blast weapon then WS won't be that important, and if it's S6 Rending then that's Assault Cannon territory.

Nurglitch wrote:If it's a blast weapon then WS won't be that important,

No kidding, Weapon Skill won't be important.

With Blast auto-hit 1/3 of the time, even mediocre Ballistic Skill isn't a huge deal.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Nurglitch wrote:If it's a blast weapon then WS won't be that important,

No kidding, Weapon Skill won't be important.

With Blast auto-hit 1/3 of the time, even mediocre Ballistic Skill isn't a huge deal.

They're twin-linked, so auto-hitting 55% of the time. It has no transport capacity, according to rumor.

One quick thing- The Fire Prism is gone on the website.

For Aussies maybe, but GW website updating hasn't got round to this side of the planet yet...

just been on the aussie website, no mention of the fire prism anywhere, not even listed


link please

EDIT: Oh you mean its gone, not its gone on the site

New models won't pop up for pre-order until the 10th of May, so there's still some time to get an old model.

ruminant wrote:EDIT: Oh you mean its gone, not its gone on the site

Oops, my mistake too. Bloody English language

Yeh, us Australians are very confusing.

Glad you aware of it


10th May is that a confirmed date or just a guess

Confirmed.

large blast rending would rather see double shot than twin link though. might have to actually bust out my forgeworld one.

but god couldnt they give it ap 6 rending instead of ap- rending i'm sure most engines wouldnt like a bunch of super strong monofiliment wire in the air intakes.

I'm gonna pick up at least one of the kits. One thing that I've been thinking about the Fire Prism though, is I really liked how the gun was "offset" to the side of the turret, and this one looks like it's a lot closer to centerline. Not 100% sure if I'll like that, will have to see more pictures of it.

Gonna be getting one, that's for sure though.

I've been out of the loop for awhile, but isn't AP - a penalty on the vehicle damage chart?

Twin linked could be interesting, but again, did the Eldar really need another S6 weapon?

I like the model, just not sure how useful it will be. At least the kit also contains the Fire Prism which is a popular tank. I think it will sell, but just disappointed with the Night Spinner rumors.

It's probably going to be a long while before I can get back to Eldar, but if the rumours about being able to force a difficult terrain test are true, then that makes the Night Spinner a quite interesting option. That's a very characterful way to open up a lot of strategic possibilities.

Sarigar wrote:I've been out of the loop for awhile, but isn't AP - a penalty on the vehicle damage chart?

Twin linked could be interesting, but again, did the Eldar really need another S6 weapon?

I like the model, just not sure how useful it will be. At least the kit also contains the Fire Prism which is a popular tank. I think it will sell, but just disappointed with the Night Spinner rumors.

Yes, it's an additional -1 to your roll. Agree on the S6/ no/crap AP or stupid expensive for what they do (looking at YOU starcannons!) weapons

I still wanna build one just for the looks, looks to be fairly easy to magnetize and swap out the options.

The NS looks good against infantry, but in this day and age where everything is mounted the versatility of the Fire Prism means it's more useful.

Especially as Eldar ooze anti-infantry from every bodily orifice, while the Anti-vehicle is pretty much Fire Dragons or go home, with the expensive Bright Lance. The Prism at least has the option.


I'll get one anyway, for the model.

As i said over in TO, I hate both of them. The Prism might not be too bad with some modifications, but that Night-Spinner is an abomination. The FW version looks wayyy better and probably won't cost much more. I'm betting they'll charge £30, which means i'll just buy the version that looks twice as good for £5 more.

I don't play Eldar, but my buddy's tanks look like pimp mobiles because of their funny tilt backward. Too top heavy. The longer turret should keep them from tipping back.

Eldar are not supposed to be "Kickin' it, old school. West side!"

west sigh-eede

My eldar kick it old school, in their bright pink grav tanks

Don't want to derail this thread but aren't there supposed to be other tanks in the Spearhead release? Why have only the eldar stuff been leaked?

Kroothawk wrote:

olympia wrote:Of course this is a disappointment. A new turret does not make a new tank.

Tell that an IG player looking at the "new" models for Chimera, Basilisk and Leman Russ

Yo!

Though at least the new Chimera now has all the codex turret options in the box; ditto the new Russ & Demolisher kits giving you all the variants between the two kits (and being excessively modular, by all accounts).

I can't excuse the Basilisk, however.....

It is now less than 5 weeks away from the first Saturday in June, likely the release date for much of the Spearhead product. This means that some or all of the Spearhead major releases should appear on the Warhammer 40,000 Advanced Order page on the GW website any day now.

I've already checked today and saw nothing yet, but I'll be checking it every day from now on with the release date drawing so close and others might want to do the same. Soon we'll have full pics and info on the GW site.

Word is they go up the 10th. One more week.

Yes, as said and has been ignored several times before, GW Amsterdam has said that the models will go online the 10th, so next Monday.

BrookM wrote:Yes, as said and has been ignored several times before, GW Amsterdam has said that the models will go online the 10th, so next Monday.

Everyone just has you on ignore. It's your constant flaming and trolling. And your Dark Eldar denial-ism.

Scottywan82 wrote:

BrookM wrote:Yes, as said and has been ignored several times before, GW Amsterdam has said that the models will go online the 10th, so next Monday.

Everyone just has you on ignore. It's your constant flaming and trolling. And your Dark Eldar denial-ism.

I think you are confusing me with some other people here. I may be very annoying, but DE denial? My word! I'm not John!

And who's got actual pics of new DE stuff? Anyone???

Shouts out to Mr. Lorizael from 40Konline for these :

Ooh shiny! ... Oh hang on, that's the camera flash

Eldar sprues it has to be said are always very boring. Where are the fun details like the skull on top of the gear stick on the Ork Trukk sprue?

EDIT - I appreciate Eldar probably won't have skull gear sticks (or gear sticks full stop for that matter), I'd just like to see some extra stuff on their sprues aside from the necessary parts.

Nice, thank you!

It looks like the Fire Prism crystal will have a smaller, clear plastic crystal inside the larger crystal. That's cool, I did think the outer crystal looked a little artificial.

Does anyone know if the opaque 'ribs' around the outer clear crystal have 3 parts that interlock together, or did they just stick 3 halves in there for no good reason? One half built into the cannon and two halves seperate above it on the sprue?

Eldar are nice, but where are the Imperial tanks?

I really like how much easier it will be to do the tracery for the crystals!

Also, I second BrookM. I want to see the real tanks.

Huh... ok... so it does have clear plastic crystals. Didn't think they'd go that route.

For the greater good... moar plastic frames we demand!

I'm personally not a fan of clear pastic other than canopy bits. I loathe the necron bits.

But it can all still be painted over.

I second the change for ease of painting over the clear plastic. Very nice addition.

Looks like some extra pieces of kit to represent some various vehicle upgrades and an underslung Shuriken Cannon.

Now if I could just get those sprues to put on top of the three existing fire prisms that I have.

Very nice looking sprue but there's some big areas of empty space there, what happened to making the most of every mould. :p

I don't care for the Night spinner, it looks too conventional with the weapons mounted in the turret like that. I much prefer the wacky looking ones seen on the Epic models and on the Forgeworld release where they are mounted overhead. The prism also looks more conventional whereas the previous one had a huge crystal as the focal point this has it within a long gun so the effect is somewhat spoiled.

Howard A Treesong wrote: The prism also looks more conventional whereas the previous one had a huge crystal as the focal point this has it within a long gun so the effect is somewhat spoiled.

If I were to have this tank, I'd be sticking the 'tip' crystal to the main crystal and ignoring the long barrel that makes it look too much like all the lance weaponry for my tastes.

Rube wrote:Nice, thank you!

It looks like the Fire Prism crystal will have a smaller, clear plastic crystal inside the larger crystal. That's cool, I did think the outer crystal looked a little artificial.

I can't wait to see what the usual suspects manage to do in terms of lighting these things up!

Gargskull wrote:Very nice looking sprue but there's some big areas of empty space there, what happened to making the most of every mould. :p

Those damn Eldar and their lack of love for all things skull and spike related!

Still, it does seem like more a lost opportunity to provide some cool extras...

Looks like I was right; the smaller, one-piece crystal is put at the very tip of the weapon.

Already getting ideas to turn that turret into a skimmer

MeanGreenStompa wrote:I'm personally not a fan of clear pastic other than canopy bits. I loathe the necron bits.

But it can all still be painted over.

Or lit up with LEDs! BWHAHAHAHA!

All hail the Rave Prism!

bhsman wrote:Looks like I was right; the smaller, one-piece crystal is put at the very tip of the weapon.

Doh, of course! It's for putting on the tip of the barrel, not inside the other crystal.

Back to my original plan of making a jagged crystal out of corkboard to put inside the clear focusing crystal then...

THx for the sprue, tho I still like the classic Epic-style Prism!

Here is a commented sprue pic by Absolutionis over at Warseer. Interesting part is that the Fire Prism has options for a short and a long barrel. ( Edit: Sorry, no 2 options, only 3 parts for the long barrel)

Nice the spinner is very cool

n0t_u wrote:Already getting ideas to turn that turret into a skimmer

2nd that. Not sure what, exactly. But a different look to the vyper comes to mind.

Yep, here's hoping that 1 - it won't be $50 and 2 - you can get the sprue separate!

Aramus wrote:Yep, here's hoping that 1 - it won't be $50 and 2 - you can get the sprue separate!

1) It probably will be, or close to it!

2) Doubtful, at least for a long, long time!

I am surprised by the two big blank spaces on the sprue. GW have been filling every square inch of their sprues ever since they got their computer tech up and running, so these 'gaps' are very odd.

And yeah, the first thing I thought when I saw these was "You could make a cool Vyper out of this turret".

I agree, those spaces look really odd considering the way the rest of the sprue is packed in there. They could have crammed extra crew bits in those spaces.

There's only so many Soulstones, Phoenixes and weird bulgy things you can do before your eyes bleed.

I wouldn't have minded some craftworld symbols though.

Alpharius wrote:

Aramus wrote:Yep, here's hoping that 1 - it won't be $50 and 2 - you can get the sprue separate!

1) It probably will be, or close to it!

2) Doubtful, at least for a long, long time!

Well, the DO offer the new Redeemer sprue separately, so there is at least a chance that they might release it. I was hoping the pricing would be more in line with the Falcon/Wave Serpent ($41.75 or whatever it is)

Therion wrote:Thanks for posting these. Prism is a huge improvement over the old one and the Night Spinner is cool. I would've liked the Falcon/Serpent hull to be re-designed to look more like the FW Eldar superheavies (longer, sleeker, more aggressive and more modern) but of course that won't happen untill 2020 the earliest.

By that point they'll already have been invented for real and the models will only be good for "historical gaming."

Extra crew would have been nice...

So apparently the IG tank LR sprues are ALSO at GW for looking at. If someone would be so kind as to go to theirs? Maybe someone in a timezone ahead of me???

Apparently it IS all four variants. We can all breathe a sigh of relief. No Basilisk repeats.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I am surprised by the two big blank spaces on the sprue. GW have been filling every square inch of their sprues ever since they got their computer tech up and running, so these 'gaps' are very odd.

No, thrye still not filling all space, and on many sprues. this one aius prettybad though. it is not like they couyld have put...oh...*Craftworld symbols* in the blank space. A lost opportunity to be sure.

Scottywan82 wrote:So apparently the IG tank LR sprues are ALSO at GW for looking at. If someone would be so kind as to go to theirs? Maybe someone in a timezone ahead of me???

Apparently it IS all four variants. We can all breathe a sigh of relief. No Basilisk repeats.

Now THAT is some welcome news indeed!

(Quick someone - pics!)

So apparently the IG tank LR sprues are ALSO at GW for looking at. If someone would be so kind as to go to theirs?

I was in a US GW store Thursday, but no Black Box for Spearhead yet. I hope we'll have more luck in some of the US stores on Friday.

Well I braved Warseer, and there's a report there that the new Russ kit is the same as the Demolisher kit, so one sprue which is the generic Russ Hull sprue, and then another for the non-Demolisher-based Russ turrets. It has all four turret types, the Vanquisher just being an extended standard turret (as you'd expect). No word on the sponsons though.

The other comment was 'No Manticore', but then again, the guy was just going off of what was in the Black Box (Prism & Russ), and Black Boxes don't always contain everything.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well I braved Warseer, and there's a report there that the new Russ kit is the same as the Demolisher kit, so one sprue which is the generic Russ Hull sprue, and then another for the non-Demolisher-based Russ turrets. It has all four turret types, the Vanquisher just being an extended standard turret (as you'd expect). No word on the sponsons though.

The other comment was 'No Manticore', but then again, the guy was just going off of what was in the Black Box (Prism & Russ), and Black Boxes don't always contain everything.

He was pretty quickly shouted down, too.

Over the 'no Manticore' thing, yeah, I know. No mention of the Eldar Platforms either, but that doesn't mean they're not coming.

H.B.M.C. wrote:Well I braved Warseer

Yikes... You gonna be okay?

Commissar Calgar is impervious to the idiocy of Warseer.

bhsman wrote:Looks like I was right; the smaller, one-piece crystal is put at the very tip of the weapon.

It's easy being right about something that was seen on the photo in the original post

wuestenfux wrote:Is it really a prism?
The cannon looks really small.

Yerp, the cannon looks like it could snap

I'm sure its been noticed already, but the original Fire Prism is listed as "no longer available" on the GW website This pleases Corvus

As soon as I get my paycheck I will be ordering the new Prism

Well its the 10th and no pre-order info.


think we'll be waiting a while myself

lord_blackfang wrote:It's easy being right about something that was seen on the photo in the original post

It's easy when not a small number of people I spoke to believed the barrel ended in some sort of claw shape, but whatevs.

Mwahaha! I posted it here first!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300103&prodId=prod770019a

New platform looks kinda like a Vyper turret. I'll probably pick one up to finish my trio of D-Cannons along with the tank kit.

How modular do you think it'll be, for swapping the Prism/Weaver options?

Saintspirit wrote:Mwahaha! I posted it here first!
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat1300103&prodId=prod770019a

$50 USD? No thanks.

Might as well move this discussion over to the new release thread now that they're actually up...

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/294106.page