EDIT: Those bits and pieces from DPA are pretty interesting; I'm only concerned that with all his focusing on the Grey Knights that he's only forgetting to mention stuff like the Stormtroopers, Inquisitors, and Imperial Assassins.

temprus wrote:To make up for the loss of ally rules, GW will make the GK as powerful as the fluff says they are and a full army @ 2500 points will consist of no more than 11 Gks plus vehicle support.

In other words, a retro return to Rogue Trader?

Ah, yes. The days of one captian on the board and the rest of your points spent in an orbital bombardmnet big enough to cover the entire opposing half of the board and allow no saves.


Sucked when your opponent got the first move and sniped your captian, but made for quick games!

bhsman wrote:EDIT: Those bits and pieces from DPA are pretty interesting; I'm only concerned that with all his focusing on the Grey Knights that he's only forgetting to mention stuff like the Stormtroopers, Inquisitors, and Imperial Assassins.

To be honest, no one is mentioning the Inquisition. Not him, not Harry and not Bindi Baji. None of them have even referred to the new book as Codex: Daemonhunters, only as Grey Knights. If you're a big fan of the Inquisition unit it's looking more and more like they're either not part of the new codex, or so secondary that no one's bothering leaking rumors about them. Well, no point in getting exited either way until GW makes the announcement.

There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away. Thus, allies rules changing in 3-4 months would be correct. Codex: DH and Codex: WH are said to be on their way out and not being redone. Mostly because rumors are pointing to Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle.

After Both of those are done there are rumors that are saying Codex Inquisition or an Inquisition supplement with rules for inquisitor allies or using inquisitors but I'm not so certain something like that will happen. That far off we get into some serious speculation rather than actual rumors. More certain than Codex Inquisition is Chaos Legions and new armies since there has been more concrete evidence from designer of something along those lines being discussed in the far future after all current armies are redone.

AS WE SEE IT NOW:
Codex: Grey Knights
- Allies rules changed/removed
- Stormraven included/possible model release
- More Grey Knights/less to no inquisition
- More Special Characters
- Plastic GKTs
- Plastic PAGKs

Those are the strongest rumors I've seen/heard/researched.

Vhalyar wrote:

bhsman wrote:EDIT: Those bits and pieces from DPA are pretty interesting; I'm only concerned that with all his focusing on the Grey Knights that he's only forgetting to mention stuff like the Stormtroopers, Inquisitors, and Imperial Assassins.

To be honest, no one is mentioning the Inquisition. Not him, not Harry and not Bindi Baji. None of them have even referred to the new book as Codex: Daemonhunters, only as Grey Knights. If you're a big fan of the Inquisition unit it's looking more and more like they're either not part of the new codex, or so secondary that no one's bothering leaking rumors about them. Well, no point in getting exited either way until GW makes the announcement.

I think that's mostly because most of the people that get sneak peaks of upcoming releases only get to see the models, not the rules. Unless there is a new Inquisitor model coming up, you probably won't find out how big the part (if any) of the Inquisition is in the new Daemonhunter/Grey Knight codex untill actual codex contents are starting to leak.

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away. Thus, allies rules changing in 3-4 months would be correct. Codex: DH and Codex: WH are said to be on their way out and not being redone. Mostly because rumors are pointing to Grey Knights and Sisters of Battle.

After Both of those are done there are rumors that are saying Codex Inquisition or an Inquisition supplement with rules for inquisitor allies or using inquisitors but I'm not so certain something like that will happen. That far off we get into some serious speculation rather than actual rumors. More certain than Codex Inquisition is Chaos Legions and new armies since there has been more concrete evidence from designer of something along those lines being discussed in the far future after all current armies are redone.

AS WE SEE IT NOW:
Codex: Grey Knights
- Allies rules changed/removed
- Stormraven included/possible model release
- More Grey Knights/less to no inquisition
- More Special Characters
- Plastic GKTs
- Plastic PAGKs

Those are the strongest rumors I've seen/heard/researched.

Pretty spot on considering what we know.

As a INQ player that doesn't use GK or sister I hope these rumors are just that. I like my Inq with retinue and all stormtroopers.

You are not alone Havoc. There seems to be more of us popping out of the woodwork with nothing but dread for this Codex.

H.B.M.C. wrote:You are not alone Havoc. There seems to be more of us popping out of the woodwork with nothing but dread for this Codex.

Well, the other possibility, is that given GW's recent habit of duplicating marine equipment by copy-and-paste between marine codices, you might still get a lot of the IG-based options reprinted in the new GK book.

And, of course, since we usually see models before rules, you wouldn't really hear as much about it, as the models are already out there and wouldn't be likely to be redone as they aren't the focus of the codex.

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away.

the problem with this is that they have a past record of releasing a Xeno book between Imperial Codecii. Since the most recent was Blood Angels, we probably won't see a GK or Inq codex until September.

carldooley wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away.

the problem with this is that they have a past record of releasing a Xeno book between Imperial Codecii. Since the most recent was Blood Angels, we probably won't see a GK or Inq codex until September.

You mean like Space Marines -> Imperial Guard -> Space Wolves?

I guess Imperial Guard are Xenos!

carldooley wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away.

the problem with this is that they have a past record of releasing a Xeno book between Imperial Codecii. Since the most recent was Blood Angels, we probably won't see a GK or Inq codex until September.

Except GK/DH aren't really seen as a Space Marine codex even though they are space marines. This also comes into play with Dark Eldar since both are fighting for the same release spot and no one really knows which is coming first. It was said that Dark Eldar were pushed back and switched spots with Grey Knights for some reason. If this is true then it was originally SM - Xenos - SM(GK) but now it ends up being SM - SM(GK) - Xenos with possibility of another following xenos after in early 2011 (see necron rumors).

We are getting into the area where a lot of major armies have already been redone. We can't really rely on the SM-Xenos-SM theory. There's still a lot of Xenos armies and a lot of lesser armies as well.

Codices still in the pipeline:
Imperium:
Grey Knights (rumors)
Sisters of Battle (small rumors)
Black Templars (small passing rumor - no concrete rumors I've seen)
Dark Angels
Inquisition????

Xenos:
Tau
Necrons [Rumors]
Dark Eldar [Rumors]
Eldar
Orks [4th/5th edition codex hybrid done]

Chaos:
Chaos Space Marines
Chaos Deamons
Chaos Legions????

From this list it becomes tough to do SM-Xenos-SM-Xenos. I tried to include all the different books rumored to come out and marked the ones with steady rumors currently coming out right now.

And how many years is it supposed to take for that list of thirteen Codex books to run the full cycle? I wonder if it is really useful to look at a list that long when it clearly won't be finished before we're already into a 6th Edition 40K Rule Book. History since 3rd Edition suggests strongly that some army books will take longer than a single rules cycle to be revised.

Do the GK really need their own codex? They're my favorite force of the Inquisition, so it sounds cool, but the current Codex has like, 6 units for them, and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

It sounds like its going to be GK, SOB, and the other Inquisition stuff all in different codexes, and thats unneccesay.

Snikkyd wrote:...and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

GW will just retcon more into the game.

Sanguinary Guard and Stormravens didn't exist in the fluff, but now they've suddenly always been there.

GW fluff is arbitrary. It's written at the whim of whoever's doing the Codex, and whatever new thing they want to sell. No consistency, no continuity, no substance.

carldooley wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:There have been rumors of a later on inquisition book. I twas said Codex Inquisition is not 2010. Codex: Grey Knights has been rumored to be August time frame which would be 3-4 months away.

the problem with this is that they have a past record of releasing a Xeno book between Imperial Codecii. Since the most recent was Blood Angels, we probably won't see a GK or Inq codex until September.

Rogueeyes and Redemption already hammered the point in, but I'll just add that we've also had back to back Xenos releases in the past. Don't forget that half the armies are Imperial and that the so called 'cycle' doesn't actually exist; it's simply GW attempting to balance out Xenos and not-Xenos releases.

Edit:

Snikkyd wrote:Do the GK really need their own codex? They're my favorite force of the Inquisition, so it sounds cool, but the current Codex has like, 6 units for them, and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

It sounds like its going to be GK, SOB, and the other Inquisition stuff all in different codexes, and thats unneccesay.

Why not? On the basic level, they are Astartes (Land Raiders, Chaplains, Apothecaries). But where they shine is in how different they are from other chapters: close ties to the Adeptus Mechanicus (unknown and forbidden technology), elite feel (don't settle for lesser things such as rhinos), 100% psykers, the list goes on. If BT/DA/SW/BA can get their own codices, I don't see anything strange with Grey Knights following suits. They only have six units because they got stuck in the Daemonhunters codex which severely hampered their variety. A shame, because like I previously said, there's a ton of ways to expand them. But that's about to be rectified

Really it's a toss up for the next release between Dark Eldar and Grey Knights. Both have been said to be at abotu the same process in production. Both have rumors coming out. Grey Knights have lost their codex on the GW website and the PAGKs box set of 5 is also gone. Some sisters are also gone.

Time's counting down and we should see an incoming article soon about which is next.

Why not? On the basic level, they are Astartes (Land Raiders, Chaplains, Apothecaries). But where they shine is in how different they are from other chapters: close ties to the Adeptus Mechanicus (unknown and forbidden technology), elite feel (don't settle for lesser things such as rhinos), 100% psykers, the list goes on. If BT/DA/SW/BA can get their own codices, I don't see anything strange with Grey Knights following suits. They only have six units because they got stuck in the Daemonhunters codex which severely hampered their variety. A shame, because like I previously said, there's a ton of ways to expand them. But that's about to be rectified

Oh I know, they're probably my favorite chapter except maybe SW, and I think they should have their own codex, but I just know it will be very different than what we know them as now.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:...and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

GW will just retcon more into the game.

Sanguinary Guard and Stormravens didn't exist in the fluff, but now they've suddenly always been there.

GW fluff is arbitrary. It's written at the whim of whoever's doing the Codex, and whatever new thing they want to sell. No consistency, no continuity, no substance.

Well, to be honest...
There doesn't need to be huge hosts of Grey Knights roaming the galaxy smiting evil.

The Grey Knights are more like the friggin' Sword of the Emperor showing up precisely when and where they're needed to turn the tide against the mean things from the Warp and reestablish the Imperium's dominance over the Unknown.

Kanluwen wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Snikkyd wrote:...and there aren't many more in the fluff, so to make a whole codex for them sounds kind of difficult without rewriting the fluff.

GW will just retcon more into the game.

Sanguinary Guard and Stormravens didn't exist in the fluff, but now they've suddenly always been there.

GW fluff is arbitrary. It's written at the whim of whoever's doing the Codex, and whatever new thing they want to sell. No consistency, no continuity, no substance.

Well, to be honest...
There doesn't need to be huge hosts of Grey Knights roaming the galaxy smiting evil.

The Grey Knights are more like the friggin' Sword of the Emperor showing up precisely when and where they're needed to turn the tide against the mean things from the Warp and reestablish the Imperium's dominance over the Unknown.

Exactly. Except for the fact that there's not nearly enough Grey Knights to go around. Grey Knights are definitely one of the most enjoyable pieces of fluff. Although shrouded in darkness and few knowing who they are the chapter fights to defend against the worst of the worst. The entire time they know that they will never be celebrated like many other chapters such as the Ultramarines are.

Does anyone know the date for the next Gamesday UK? Supposedly a big Dark Eldar reveal is being factored in there, and if there's still a ways to go it wouldn't surprise me if Grey Knights are first and GW wants to save Dark Eldar for a holiday release so people are encouraged to buy more.

H.B.M.C. wrote:GW will just retcon more into the game.

Sanguinary Guard and Stormravens didn't exist in the fluff, but now they've suddenly always been there.

GW fluff is arbitrary. It's written at the whim of whoever's doing the Codex, and whatever new thing they want to sell. No consistency, no continuity, no substance.

At least we can rely on you to use any topic as an opportunity to let everyone know that you think GW is run by comic book villains. You're ALL consistency.

rogueeyes wrote:
Exactly. Except for the fact that there's not nearly enough Grey Knights to go around. Grey Knights are definitely one of the most enjoyable pieces of fluff. Although shrouded in darkness and few knowing who they are the chapter fights to defend against the worst of the worst. The entire time they know that they will never be celebrated like many other chapters such as the Ultramarines are.

That's kind of the point? They're meant to be a force that travels around and only shows up to take down the single biggest Daemonic force during an incursion.

They're not meant to go around smiting every evil that raises its head. They're the great equalizer whenever a Hive World suddenly has a great big Warp Rift opened in it or when a Daemon takes possession of a Sector Governor.

rogueeyes wrote:Except for the fact that there's not nearly enough Grey Knights to go around.

Actually, Grey Knights are one of the biggest, if not the biggest space marine chapter out there. At ~3000 man strong, they're 3 times the size of a regular Codex Astartes chapter like the Ultramarines.

Redemption wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:Except for the fact that there's not nearly enough Grey Knights to go around.

Actually, Grey Knights are one of the biggest, if not the biggest space marine chapter out there. At ~3000 man strong, they're 3 times the size of a regular Codex Astartes chapter like the Ultramarines.

Where did you read that? Just curious. I'm also not down with power-armored Grey Knights because I roll 2nd edition.

The 3000 number is from Lexicanum. Don't know where they found it though.
And there are no Power Armour Grey Knights, only Artificer Armour Grey Knights. You can think of them as mini-termies

Kanluwen wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:
Exactly. Except for the fact that there's not nearly enough Grey Knights to go around. Grey Knights are definitely one of the most enjoyable pieces of fluff. Although shrouded in darkness and few knowing who they are the chapter fights to defend against the worst of the worst. The entire time they know that they will never be celebrated like many other chapters such as the Ultramarines are.

That's kind of the point? They're meant to be a force that travels around and only shows up to take down the single biggest Daemonic force during an incursion.

They're not meant to go around smiting every evil that raises its head. They're the great equalizer whenever a Hive World suddenly has a great big Warp Rift opened in it or when a Daemon takes possession of a Sector Governor.

The current Daemonhunters book actually gives a list of reasons why the Daemonhunters would fight anything but Chaos, with fun stuff like the Eldar Avatar being a daemon, Orkz being led by a possessed Warboss, etc. I believe the reason they would fight Tyranids is because of the Hive Mind presence, but I can't remember the exact reasoning.

Scottywan82 wrote:Where did you read that? Just curious. I'm also not down with power-armored Grey Knights because I roll 2nd edition.

Again, I'd have to check, but I'm pretty sure that's in the current Daemonhunters codex.

For me problem with allied lists has always been that GW specifically calls out unit names. They don't say "add any single IG Troop" they instead say "add an Armored Fist Squad"... that doesn't exist now... nice.

I think they should just make the book a one way system. You either take the Inq book and play it 100% from that book, or you play another army and are allowed to add a squad or two from the Inq book. This kills the inducting fluff, but GW can't keep up with all other other codexes as it is.

bhsman wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

rogueeyes wrote:
Exactly. Except for the fact that there's not nearly enough Grey Knights to go around. Grey Knights are definitely one of the most enjoyable pieces of fluff. Although shrouded in darkness and few knowing who they are the chapter fights to defend against the worst of the worst. The entire time they know that they will never be celebrated like many other chapters such as the Ultramarines are.

That's kind of the point? They're meant to be a force that travels around and only shows up to take down the single biggest Daemonic force during an incursion.

They're not meant to go around smiting every evil that raises its head. They're the great equalizer whenever a Hive World suddenly has a great big Warp Rift opened in it or when a Daemon takes possession of a Sector Governor.

The current Daemonhunters book actually gives a list of reasons why the Daemonhunters would fight anything but Chaos, with fun stuff like the Eldar Avatar being a daemon, Orkz being led by a possessed Warboss, etc. I believe the reason they would fight Tyranids is because of the Hive Mind presence, but I can't remember the exact reasoning.

Er, what's the point of this statement?

They wanted to give you potential storyline "hooks", with the vast majority of them being aimed at an Inquisitor and his personal army--not the Grey Knights themselves.

Things like a rogue Inquisitor deciding that a Space Marine Chapter is corrupted by a trophy of some kind they got from fighting Chaos, or the Tau would be fought by Daemonhunters potentially because of the Tau giving aid to a rogue Psyker.

It was by no means "The Grey Knights would do this in this situation with X army because of Y".

Kanluwen wrote:
Er, what's the point of this statement?

They wanted to give you potential storyline "hooks", with the vast majority of them being aimed at an Inquisitor and his personal army--not the Grey Knights themselves.

Things like a rogue Inquisitor deciding that a Space Marine Chapter is corrupted by a trophy of some kind they got from fighting Chaos, or the Tau would be fought by Daemonhunters potentially because of the Tau giving aid to a rogue Psyker.

It was by no means "The Grey Knights would do this in this situation with X army because of Y".

Maybe the inquisitor put his rubber stamp on the request for the GK to go do the dirty work and then went to do something else while they fought it out without him? From what I remember, little if anything on that page ever specifically said "Inquisitors Motive List" on it. It's no more unbelievable than watching two supposedly loyalist Space Marine armies fight it out. Or that the Necrons and Blood Angels ally briefly in the fluff of the new codex. Or for that matter, how I've personally dealt with over 1000 ultramarines total. Sigh.

Why does everyone think that just because the Necrons and Blood Angels fought together for one battle that it meant they allied?

Fighting on the same battlefield and ignoring each other does not an alliance make.

But yeah. The whole "Hurf! Loyalist v. Loyalist!" thing irks me too. It's why I generally try to do campaign games with a lengthy storyline which would explain things like that.

Kanluwen wrote:
Er, what's the point of this statement?

They wanted to give you potential storyline "hooks", with the vast majority of them being aimed at an Inquisitor and his personal army--not the Grey Knights themselves.

Things like a rogue Inquisitor deciding that a Space Marine Chapter is corrupted by a trophy of some kind they got from fighting Chaos, or the Tau would be fought by Daemonhunters potentially because of the Tau giving aid to a rogue Psyker.

It was by no means "The Grey Knights would do this in this situation with X army because of Y".

We're discussing justifications for why a Grey Knight army would be running around and fighting stuff, and I thought I'd toss that in to help the discussion along?

Not to mention not all Inquisitors take to the field, and can use the Grey Knights under his temporary command to do the fighting.

Er, Grey Knights aren't "under the command" of Inquisitors.

Nor are any other form of Adeptus Astartes--unless they choose to be.

Grey Knights have their own complete command structure, and answer only to their Grandmasters--unless they feel like answering to an Inquisitor.

H.B.M.C. wrote:You are not alone Havoc. There seems to be more of us popping out of the woodwork with nothing but dread for this Codex.

Havoc13 wrote:As a INQ player that doesn't use GK or sister I hope these rumors are just that. I like my Inq with retinue and all stormtroopers.

I have 2250pts of pure Inq.
No sisters or GKs
I seriously hope these are just rumours and not facts.
) :

I said it with the IG codex and I'll say it here:

Inquisitors would have been a friggin' great HQ choice for the IG Codex. Having an Inquisitor as HQ allowing things like Stormtroopers as Troops, orbital bombardments, etc would've been great.

And even better?
It would have allowed for "pure" Sisters/Grey Knights/Deathwatch codexes.

I may dance an actual jig once Inquisitors w/psychic hoods and Mystics are gone for good. Note that I'll hate seeing players' Daemonhunter armies get messed up, but I really think the game will be better without that unit allying to everything in sight.

@Kanluwen: There was a shadowy rumor about an allies supplement/codex on Warseer not long ago. It's probably nothing, but it would create a spot for Inquisitors, Assassins, and maybe some interesting other options as well as answer why Inquisitors didn't land in the most obvious place for them (Codex: IG).

I think that would be an ideal solution. I'm not opposed to allies, per se...I just think they need to handled in a balanced and very structured way.

I personally don't use any stormtroopers in my DH army simply because they didn't go with the theme I wanted. I wanted powerful troops and specialist elite choices (Sisters Repentia ). I built it as a somewhat fluff type list that only works in specific scenarios. If I need a more flexible army I have Tau, Daemons, and Orks to choose from. I do however see how they can be a very viable troop choice over GK since they cost much less and can be customized to fit a needed role better than "heres your big gun or heavy flamer".

gorgon wrote:I may dance an actual jig once Inquisitors w/psychic hoods and Mystics are gone for good. Note that I'll hate seeing players' Daemonhunter armies get messed up, but I really think the game will be better without that unit allying to everything in sight.

@Kanluwen: There was a shadowy rumor about an allies supplement/codex on Warseer not long ago. It's probably nothing, but it would create a spot for Inquisitors, Assassins, and maybe some interesting other options as well as answer why Inquisitors didn't land in the most obvious place for them (Codex: IG).

I think that would be an ideal solution. I'm not opposed to allies, per se...I just think they need to handled in a balanced and very structured way.

I'm sure that the allies option will be gone, and good riddance. On the other hand you should expect the new codices to have equally powerful and/or annoying options
Honestly, I like the concept of the mystics. Anti-deepstriking is an interesting mechanic, but it was poorly designed and ended up being ridiculously good/a no-brainer for tournaments and Apocalypse. I hope something similar, but more limited, makes a return in the new codex.

There's not really any rumors about an Inquisition book; it was suggested by various posters that the Inquisition could either become its own codex or that GW would make an Allies book usable by every army.

Edit: As for the whole fluff debate, there's something really, really simple that should never be forgotten: Gameplay > Fluff.
When the two can be reconciled, great. But if there's an issue then gameplay takes precedence.

It's why you can field special characters (and have them die but pop back up nice and shiny for the next battle), have loyalist armies fight loyalist armies, etc.
It's also why it's possible for an entire army of Grey Knights to go around kicking the butts of non-chaos/daemon armies.

Kanluwen wrote:Er, Grey Knights aren't "under the command" of Inquisitors.

Nor are any other form of Adeptus Astartes--unless they choose to be.

Grey Knights have their own complete command structure, and answer only to their Grandmasters--unless they feel like answering to an Inquisitor.

Not to derail this any further, but if there's a mission being undertaken, an Inquisitor is usually given overall command, and directs the actions of the Grey Knights assigned to the mission.

What I haven't seen: What happens to the Inq. Stormies?

bhsman wrote:At least we can rely on you to use any topic as an opportunity to let everyone know that you think GW is run by comic book villains. You're ALL consistency.

Buzz off numbskull.

A company wanting to make money isn't a conspiracy.

JohnHwangDD wrote:What I haven't seen: What happens to the Inq. Stormies?

No one knows. There is zero information about them at this time.

Vhalyar wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:What I haven't seen: What happens to the Inq. Stormies?

No one knows. There is zero information about them at this time.

And that isn't a good thing. One hopes that "zero information" doesn't translate into "zero units".

JohnHwangDD wrote:What I haven't seen: What happens to the Inq. Stormies?

I'd like to think that the reason we haven't heard much about them is because people tend to focus on the Grey Knights as they are the focal point, visually, of the book. Only time will tell.

H.B.M.C. wrote:A company wanting to make money isn't a conspiracy.

Not the way you put it, nooo...

JohnHwangDD wrote:What I haven't seen: What happens to the Inq. Stormies?

Either they get the stats of the Imperial Guard ones or they aren't in the book. Either way they'll vanish from the tabletop.

George Spiggott wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:What I haven't seen: What happens to the Inq. Stormies?

Either they get the stats of the Imperial Guard ones or they aren't in the book. Either way they'll vanish from the tabletop.

Which, of course, is complete and utter nonsense.

Like Possessed, IG Stormies are (purposefully) grossly overpriced to encourage "native" Platoons & Veterans.

In the Inquisition, Stormies should be cheap and plentiful, as they're the "house" forces of an Inquisitor. By default, an Inquisitor should easily have dozens, if not hundreds, of Storms on call as his personal troops, with allied Guard / Marines / Sisters / whatever on an as-available basis. And from a sheer numbers perspective, even if there are 3,000 GKs, spread across the Imperium, we're talking about peanuts being available.

Gah.

@JHDD: Eh? Did I predict wrongly or don't you like what you read?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

George Spiggott wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:What I haven't seen: What happens to the Inq. Stormies?

Either they get the stats of the Imperial Guard ones or they aren't in the book. Either way they'll vanish from the tabletop.

Which, of course, is complete and utter nonsense.

Like Possessed, IG Stormies are (purposefully) grossly overpriced to encourage "native" Platoons & Veterans.

And this is INCREDIBLY stupid reasoning for the overpricing.

Not every regiment relies on the Schola Progenium to get their "Stormtroopers". It was nice being able to have the option of taking Grenadiers--who were similar in their equipment to Stormtroopers, but drawn up from the standard ranks of the regiment.

Bloody GW screwing with my fluff. I demand my Kasrkin Regiment back.

@ bhsman: Does anyone know the date for the next Gamesday UK? Supposedly a big Dark Eldar reveal is being factored in there, and if there's still a ways to go it wouldn't surprise me if Grey Knights are first and GW wants to save Dark Eldar for a holiday release so people are encouraged to buy more.

UK games day is set for 26th September but no official news yet on what will be there, just this early WD subcsriber offer:

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=10100029a&utm_source=nemay2010&utm_medium=email&utm_term=events&utm_content=textlinkbody&utm_campaign=NE-May-2010

Lots of rumours about plastic stormtroopers, which if true, would surely mean:
a) Included in a codex other than IG (otherwise whats the point from GW perspective of expensive moulds?)
b) Cheapo points cost (to ensure good sales)
c) Cool models with lots of customisable weapon options d) So they can charge around £15 for a box of 5?

I really hope that they also do plastic SOB and GK as these would really show what can now be done with all the progress they have made in injection moulding technology.

Fluff wise, the Inquisition IS the grimdark future, as envisioned by John Blanche. No way they are not going to do them again. My money (and I have a bucket full set aside for the moment this happens) is a mega release of models, to be announced and showcased at one of the UK Gamesday seminars, and a new Forces of the Inquisition Codex, combining DH, WH, Assassins and Allies to be released just before Christmas 2010.

YES PLEASE! (GW I hope you are listening)

ok if they split gk and sob and inquisitors separate then i will contemplate kidnapping and ransom seriously i love the codex's how they are they just need points fixes and some war gear/special rule fixes and they will be absolutely peachy!

I have an Inquisitor and retinue that I like to take as an extra hq choice with my guard army in some games; I think of him as an "Ordo Xenos" inquisitor but I use the witchhunters rules. I wonder what will happen to that? I could see (from a business standpoint) where it would be in GW's interest to keep the system similiar to the existing one; I have a guard codex and guard models, but they have also sold me Inquisitor minis and an inquisitor codex, which I have to have to play my extra hq choice. If they switch Inquisitors to a more "stand alone" format, I might not want to build a whole new army so that it can include inquisitors; but if they can be used as allies, then I am more likely to spend money on adding a few miniatures and a codex to my collection. Obviosely I can't predict what they will actualy do, but I would think at least haveing the option of allied Inquisitor forces is a good business move.

General Mayhem wrote:Fluff wise, the Inquisition IS the grimdark future, as envisioned by John Blanche. No way they are not going to do them again. My money (and I have a bucket full set aside for the moment this happens) is a mega release of models, to be announced and showcased at one of the UK Gamesday seminars, and a new Forces of the Inquisition Codex, combining DH, WH, Assassins and Allies to be released just before Christmas 2010.

YES PLEASE! (GW I hope you are listening)

Except that they are not doing a combined codex and at this point they are certainly not going to make any changes to the codex.

George Spiggott wrote:@JHDD: Eh? Did I predict wrongly or don't you like what you read?

Hopefully yes & defintetely yes.

I will be muchly pissed if I have to further update my list of army woes with yet another army down the tubes.

As boneheaded as GW has been lately, I predict the end of SoB and the release of female space marines.

Those decisions would be about on par with current policy making and codex writing.

Does anyone think any of the new implementations will affect people with a full GK army? Im currently painting all my grey knights and dont want to waste my money.

Ok the way I see it is that odds are we are getting DE of GK next, there is no way around that. When we get GK the is going to hit the fan for SoB and Inquisitors players, due to:

1) needing to wait for a new codex books for each
2) SoB are going to become female SM (This is from a friend who "saw it in a 40k novel". I take this with a grain of salt, but it works. The Emperor had a biological daughter, essentially a female primarch, allowing for a female gene-seed. On top of that she is the primarch of the SoB.)
3) Inquisitors become an expansion book adding new unites to SM/GK/SoB/IG, but may or may not be able to be used stand alone. The one thing is that the unite transfer is only one way (as in you could not take Creed and vet squad and add them to a Inquisitors army.

Good things that my come of this:
Lots of new plastic
possibity of Deathwatch book
new units all around

Take this as you will, this is just guess work from a new guy.

Kervin wrote:2) SoB are going to become female SM (This is from a friend who "saw it in a 40k novel". I take this with a grain of salt, but it works. The Emperor had a biological daughter, essentially a female primarch, allowing for a female gene-seed. On top of that she is the primarch of the SoB.)

Sounds totally plausible and not in the least like he was making stuff up btw would you like to hear about a bridge I'm trying to sell?

Thamor wrote:Does anyone think any of the new implementations will affect people with a full GK army? Im currently painting all my grey knights and dont want to waste my money.

From what i've read here and elsewhere, full GK should be fine, it's full Inquisition that might get screwed. The "Inquisitors were overplayed" comment that appears every so often is the root of this, suggesting that with a new codex, you won't have an Inquisitor leading a host of Grey Knights. I'm sure I've seen it mentioned somewhere that there will definately be seperate books, and one of them will be Grey Knights (other obviously SoB).

The way I see things is having a fairly similar to now Grey Knight army, albeit with a few new units/options etc, and maybe having an Inquisitor as a unique elite choice, basically one per army, and likely not to have a massive retinue perhaps no more than 6, if that. All speculation of course!

I shelved my GKs when the websites started dropping boxes and codices. Didn't want to buy anything that might be useless to me 6 months down the line. I for one am hopeful for the next release being GKs, quite excited to see what'll happen with em

bhsman wrote:

Kervin wrote:2) SoB are going to become female SM (This is from a friend who "saw it in a 40k novel". I take this with a grain of salt, but it works. The Emperor had a biological daughter, essentially a female primarch, allowing for a female gene-seed. On top of that she is the primarch of the SoB.)

Sounds totally plausible and not in the least like he was making stuff up btw would you like to hear about a bridge I'm trying to sell?

I was just putting out there as a possible fluff out for GW to turn SoB into SM. I have even stated that, "I take this with a grain of salt." I do not like the personal attack.

Kervin wrote:
2) SoB are going to become female SM (This is from a friend who "saw it in a 40k novel". I take this with a grain of salt, but it works. The Emperor had a biological daughter, essentially a female primarch, allowing for a female gene-seed. On top of that she is the primarch of the SoB.)

Sisters of Battle won't get turned into female marines. It will never happen, and the idea that anyone is insinuating it would is stupid. There's no BL book that ever mentioned that, and it sounds like your buddy is just pulling your leg.

Brother SRM wrote:

Kervin wrote:
2) SoB are going to become female SM (This is from a friend who "saw it in a 40k novel". I take this with a grain of salt, but it works. The Emperor had a biological daughter, essentially a female primarch, allowing for a female gene-seed. On top of that she is the primarch of the SoB.)

Sisters of Battle won't get turned into female marines. It will never happen, and the idea that anyone is insinuating it would is stupid. There's no BL book that ever mentioned that, and it sounds like your buddy is just pulling your leg.

Let's hope that's all he's pulling!

Seriously - GW will NOT ever make female Space Marines.

(?)

Alpharius wrote:
Seriously - GW will NOT ever make female Space Marines.

(?)

Except in the past as a mistake, or if Inquisitor Profitus tells them to. As soon as that guy gets involved, you'll see greenstuff boobs sprouting all over GW studios.

No.

NEVER.
End of story.

Let female Space Marines go.

Female Space Marines again?



It always happens...

Kanluwen wrote:No.

NEVER.
End of story.

Let female Space Marines go.

What, you think that GW wouldn't sell it's fanbase up the river in the name of profit?

In a word?

Squats.

Look, they aren't going to do it, ever.

Because, (shhhhhh!), they kind of already have!

Get ready to have your mind blown!

They are called...


(wait for it!)


Sisters of Battle.

Sorry.

JohnHwangDD wrote:I will be muchly pissed if I have to further update my list of army woes with yet another army down the tubes.

I should stick up a photo of all my inquisition 'hangers on' (Inquisitors and retinues) that I have (about 40 of them IIRC). Then when the codex is redone and they aren't in it I could do a Youtube video of me jumping up and down on them.

Alpharius wrote:Look, they aren't going to do it, ever.

Because, (shhhhhh!), they kind of already have!

Get ready to have your mind blown!

They are called...


(wait for it!)


Sisters of Battle.

Sorry.

Except SoBs would seem to be getting some sort of hatchet treatment at the hands of GW's current batch of Codex writers. I eagerly await their declaration that SoB are really decedents of the Emperor, and have been the Sensei the whole time.

Kervin wrote:I was just putting out there as a possible fluff out for GW to turn SoB into SM. I have even stated that, "I take this with a grain of salt." I do not like the personal attack.

What you were putting out was something outlandish that you obviously hadn't thought through and without little backing up. Me poking fun was you getting off light.

bhsman wrote:What you were putting out was something outlandish that you obviously hadn't thought through and without little backing up. Me poking fun was you getting off light.

Translation: I am a donkey cave, and don't care that you were just trying to be helpful.

I didnt think there were any rules for DH troops in a SM army list as long as there are no librarians you just add the points but personally i cant see the point

Stephen Bond wrote:I didnt think there were any rules for DH troops in a SM army list as long as there are no librarians you just add the points but personally i cant see the point

The allies rule lets you take a certain amount of units (depending on the Force Organization spot it occupies) in Space Marine and Imperial Guard lists, unless you were referring to something else?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Translation: I am a donkey cave, and don't care that you were just trying to be helpful.

And by comparison your post adds even less to the discussion, as it only seeks to get back at me and not even provide speculation, from a second-hand source or otherwise.

Snikkyd wrote:Female Space Marines again?



It always happens...

Indeed. Moving this thread to dsciussions as I see neither news nor rumors.


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bhsman wrote:

Stephen Bond wrote:I didnt think there were any rules for DH troops in a SM army list as long as there are no librarians you just add the points but personally i cant see the point

The allies rule lets you take a certain amount of units (depending on the Force Organization spot it occupies) in Space Marine and Imperial Guard lists, unless you were referring to something else?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Translation: I am a donkey cave, and don't care that you were just trying to be helpful.

And by comparison your post adds even less to the discussion, as it only seeks to get back at me and not even provide speculation, from a second-hand source or otherwise.

True that. Everyone lets remember Dakka Rule #1: Be polite, or this thread will be closed.

JohnHwangDD wrote:What I haven't seen: What happens to the Inq. Stormies?

Personally, I think a special forces/rapid insertion/air cav concept for the GK codex would be an interesting one, and would have plenty of room for STs. So figure GKs in Stormravens and STs in Valks/Vends supported by teleporting Terminators, GK jetbikes, Land Speeders and some ground units in Rhinos, Razorbacks and Chimeras. Yeah, it'd be another flavor of SM, but I think there's a little bit of a niche there for them beyond just the daemon fighting. *shrug*

I'm calling salty shenanigans on the DE/GK debate.

Lets face some facts here...

DH/WH lines have been pulled to some extent. No new models have been seen and there has been very little talk or rules predictions about the dex.

DE on the other hand, still have their range in the stores. Rumours and confirmed sightings of models have occured across the globe, as have rumours and confirmations of codex content.

AFAIK both ranges are complete, but as it seems, GW are heavily leaning towards DE first.

As for the great Ordo Unification debate...

GW will have to add all three into one codex. Will this include SoB??? Not sure, but I wouldn't say no. Hell, if they didn't release a unified codex, I wouldn't be surprised if all three Ordo had their own dex released at the same time. Its a big project, but since WFB v8 would be released just prior to the next 40k big release, a big project would satisfy the 40k gamers.

IMO anyway.

radiohazard wrote:I'm calling salty shenanigans on the DE/GK debate.

AFAIK both ranges are complete, but as it seems, GW are heavily leaning towards DE first.

You seem to be contradicting yourself. How is GW leaning towards DE first when they are pulling Grey Knights and Sisters stuff from the web store? I would think this indicates that Grey Knights are being pushed out first.