Hey all,

This is totally true believe it or not

I caught a model thief yesterday at the store.A 13 ish old kid was watching my game against a nid player, who had his 3000gaunts laying on a side table.He was picking them up, and playing with them.I got suspecious cuz he was not looking at the model when he was playing with it.So then I kept an eye on him until he put like 4 or 5 gaunts into his pocket.He was trying to leave after that, but I stopped him and ask him politely for the stuff back, and thats when my VERY friendly opponent came.

We didnt want a new gamer to get into so much trouble, so we let him go without any charges, and to my suprise,the nid player even gave him a gaunt and taught him a good lesson of how a gamer should earn thier models, not steal them.That kid cried in front of us, maybe too impressed by my opponent.

This is just a briefing, it was much more exciting than this.

Anyone have any similar experiences?

One of the saddest days I worked for GW was when a manager called me and one of our vets had stolen 2 demon princes off the wall and was caught by mall security. GW always presses charges and he got banned from the store. He was 22 years old, his mom called me crying and he was very upset. He was just desperate. It was sad mainly because the manager probably would have given him personally owned demon princes if he needed them that badly.

I usually tried to stop them before they left the store and do something similar to your opponent, sometimes you just can't.

Touching.

Caught one kid stealing from a gift shop I ran. 2 weeks later, caught him trying to steal more. There's a reason that the term "crocodile tears" exists. Called the cops the second time he did it, let them take care of him. Next day his parents called to chew me out. Thats when I asked that THEY no longer come to my store either.

Say out of 5 kids I busted, 2 of them didnt try it again. The others thought it was owed to them or that they wouldnt always get caught.

Trust them with one eye open.

Well, I haven't been doing sercurity.It was an inccident.

But yea, people steal, even though the law restricts it strongly.

Well, that's 4 theft related threads.

Teenagers will always do petty theft. It's always something small that they'd buy if they had the pocket money/allowance. I call it a minor irritation and nothing more.

I will own up to stealing a few packets of football stickers when I was ten. Eventually I got caught and received a huge rollicking from the shop keeper. I was so terrified, I never did it again.

Teenagers getting drunk and stabbing each other? Now that's a broken society.

Friend of mine used to steal models. He got caught a few years ago. Banned from the store and everything. His ban time expires in four days, and he plans to return ASAP. Chances are the manager will kick him out again, but it'll be interesting to watch.

He would go in with friends on busy days, then make sure there was no one watching before taking heavy blisters, such as the Avatar or a Tomb Spyder. The store was onto him, but they couldn't prove anything without catching him red-handed. Eventually he got caught when one of the staff returned from lunch break as he was leaving, and was forced to empty his pockets. Oddly enough, three officers were called to the scene. I never knew three police officers were required to restrain a subdued 15 year old boy in tears.

When you're young, you don't realise why stealing is bad morally. You either don't try to do it because you're scared, or you try it, get caught and become so scared you don't try it again. Then as you get older, you forgot the fear and just assume you don't steal because you're morally superior.

I don't blame kids for this kind of thing. They don't have 20-odd years of experience behind them, and they don't have access to to kind of money a 40k army costs. If I wasn't allowed to get a job, and was given ~£5 a week to entertain myself with I might very well resort to theft too.

I would let them off. Scaring them a little first doesn't hurt though.

Rube wrote:When you're young, you don't realise why stealing is bad morally. You either don't try to do it because you're scared, or you try it, get caught and become so scared you don't try it again. Then as you get older, you forgot the fear and just assume you don't steal because you're morally superior.

I have to call major BS on this. I know I was taught from a young age stealing is wrong. If you have reached your teens and don't know right from wrong, either from a moral standpoint or a legal one, the people who raised you are complete failures.

Mattlov wrote:

Rube wrote:When you're young, you don't realise why stealing is bad morally. You either don't try to do it because you're scared, or you try it, get caught and become so scared you don't try it again. Then as you get older, you forgot the fear and just assume you don't steal because you're morally superior.

I have to call major BS on this. I know I was taught from a young age stealing is wrong. If you have reached your teens and don't know right from wrong, either from a moral standpoint or a legal one, the people who raised you are complete failures.

Based on my experiences (see above), I'm fairly certain I knew it was wrong, but football stickers were a major craze at the time and I didn't have any. Morals didn't come into it really, it was wanting to have something so I could join in the swapping. I think GW stuff is similar. Some parents won't necessarily approve of it, so their kids have to watch from the sidelines not being able to join in. Eventually desire overcomes a sense of right and wrong and they'll just grab something so they can be a part of it too.

The Simpson's episode where Bart steals a computer game is spot on in this respect, especially as he watches the spoilt kid insist on two copies so he doesn't have to share with his sister.

I guess i'll share my experience .

I have stolen once in my life. It was in grade 2.
There was this small cheap plastic teddy bear from some board game in school that i really liked.

Its weird, during the process when i made my mind to take it into my hand , and into my pocket , its as if my mind was blank. I wasnt thinking at all , almost as if i was mesmerized by the bear... When i went home and took it out of my pocket was the first time when it hit me for what i have done. Till this day somewhere i think i kept the bear in a box.

Mattlov wrote:

Rube wrote:When you're young, you don't realise why stealing is bad morally. You either don't try to do it because you're scared, or you try it, get caught and become so scared you don't try it again. Then as you get older, you forgot the fear and just assume you don't steal because you're morally superior.

I have to call major BS on this. I know I was taught from a young age stealing is wrong. If you have reached your teens and don't know right from wrong, either from a moral standpoint or a legal one, the people who raised you are complete failures.

You can tell a kid that fire burns them, but they won't know what you mean until they've felt it themselves. The only kids who don't steal are those who are spoilt to the point that they've never needed to, or those who are made too scared of any physical repercussions to try.

Morally they just won't understand why it's bad. Words mean nothing without experience to back them up.

Rube wrote:The only kids who don't steal are those who are spoilt to the point that they've never needed to, or those who are made too scared of any physical repercussions to try.

Morally they just won't understand why it's bad. Words mean nothing without experience to back them up.

I disagree , why wouldnt they understand its bad?

Yes, I knew it was bad, but my need to swap football stickers at the time seemed greater. I think you're kind of there Rube, but as I commented above right and wrong can be lower down on a child's sense of values.

Tony the guardsman wrote:Hey all,

This is totally true believe it or not

I caught a model thief yesterday at the store.A 13 ish old kid was watching my game against a nid player, who had his 3000gaunts laying on a side table.He was picking them up, and playing with them.I got suspecious cuz he was not looking at the model when he was playing with it.So then I kept an eye on him until he put like 4 or 5 gaunts into his pocket.He was trying to leave after that, but I stopped him and ask him politely for the stuff back, and thats when my VERY friendly opponent came.

We didnt want a new gamer to get into so much trouble, so we let him go without any charges, and to my suprise,the nid player even gave him a gaunt and taught him a good lesson of how a gamer should earn thier models, not steal them.That kid cried in front of us, maybe too impressed by my opponent.

This is just a briefing, it was much more exciting than this.

Anyone have any similar experiences?

Touching story. You were wrong, but touching story.

You arent doing him any favors by sheildinghim from the consequences of his actions.


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Rube wrote:

You can tell a kid that fire burns them, but they won't know what you mean until they've felt it themselves. The only kids who don't steal are those who are spoilt to the point that they've never needed to, or those who are made too scared of any physical repercussions to try.

Morally they just won't understand why it's bad. Words mean nothing without experience to back them up.

False anology. Not every kid needs to stick their hand in fire to know it burns. Not ever kid needs to be spoiled to not steal. One can be taught fire is hot without dealing with it, just as one can be taught that stealing is wrong with consequences without being spoiled nor be too scared.

The fact thats how you think tells me alot about the folks who raised you.....

LunaHound wrote:

Rube wrote:The only kids who don't steal are those who are spoilt to the point that they've never needed to, or those who are made too scared of any physical repercussions to try.

Morally they just won't understand why it's bad. Words mean nothing without experience to back them up.

I disagree , why wouldnt they understand its bad?

I also disagree. I've never stollen a thing in my life. Back when Pokemon cards were a big thing, I kind of wanted some but instead resorted to doing the odd job to recieve my first card ever; Diglett. I guess that led down the path to War Gaming eventually as it led to making friends with interests similar to that, a good thing for someone who spent a majority of their childhood without any friends (age 6-13ish for those stalkers ). Although I don't have the card (traded so much that first day ); I have experienced that earning something you really want is a good thing, better than receiving it illegitimately and having to feel the shame that you simply gave up too easily.

I also understand the "ooh shiney" mentality that causes some to commit theft though, humanity is lazy; the simplest solution to a problem is usually the first taken with little to no thought over the consequences that follow in the future. Some learn from these mistakes and become better people, others simply less intelligent, try the same method constantly expecting a different result each time; shocked to find none.

I'm going to side with Rube on this whole fire thing. Being told fire is hot and burns is one thing, but it's quite another to experience that fire burns and therefore know it.

I'd argue that the being told fire burns needs to be coupled with an experience of being in close proximity to a flame at one time or another (to feel that the heat can be unpleasant) in order to to learn the lesson.

I'm not suggesting you take your child's hand a wave it over a candle, but at some point they will come close enough to the heat for it to click inside their brain that actually, the parents were right about this one.

I'd agree that it doesn't quite work as stealing analogy though.

Mattlov wrote:

Rube wrote:When you're young, you don't realise why stealing is bad morally. You either don't try to do it because you're scared, or you try it, get caught and become so scared you don't try it again. Then as you get older, you forgot the fear and just assume you don't steal because you're morally superior.

I have to call major BS on this. I know I was taught from a young age stealing is wrong. If you have reached your teens and don't know right from wrong, either from a moral standpoint or a legal one, the people who raised you are complete failures.

Agreed that statement is so full of self serving BS its, well BS. Such a statement from me wouldn't have worked with Dad, and from my kids would not have worked with me.

That's good old Texas parenting for you. I don't think my parents were any less severe, I just cracked on that occassion.

On the plus side, I never gave into peer pressure on the smoking thing, which is the late teens equivalent of football stickers. I guess I'd already decided I was never going to be one of the cool kids by that stage

LunaHound wrote:

Rube wrote:The only kids who don't steal are those who are spoilt to the point that they've never needed to, or those who are made too scared of any physical repercussions to try.

Morally they just won't understand why it's bad. Words mean nothing without experience to back them up.

I disagree , why wouldnt they understand its bad?

We wouldn't steal, say, a £10 blister because we know the store clerk has to work another 2 hours of his crappy job to earn that £10 back. We have empathy for his situation because we've both probably worked in similar minimum-wage, soul-destroying jobs at some point in our lives and can relate to his situation.

A kid obviously hasn't worked in such a job. You can tell him why it's a morally bad thing, and he might understand on a logical level, but he lacks the experiences and memories of having suffered through something similar to attach to the store clerks predicament.


As for the debate-class dropouts who think my line of reasoning is some excuse for having stolen myself at some point - let me introduce you to Ad Hominem. Whether I have stolen something is irrelevant to whether what I am saying is true or not.

It's especially irrelevant because I haven't stolen before. I'm just under no illusion that I abstained from doing so because as a 12 year old I had developed a strong sense of morals and empathy.

Thanks for insulting my parents whom you have never met nor know anything about however! Perhaps if your parents had educated you properly, you wouldn't be embarrasing yourselves by using logical fallacies most 12 year olds do understand.

Rube wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Rube wrote:The only kids who don't steal are those who are spoilt to the point that they've never needed to, or those who are made too scared of any physical repercussions to try.

Morally they just won't understand why it's bad. Words mean nothing without experience to back them up.

I disagree , why wouldnt they understand its bad?

We wouldn't steal, say, a £10 blister because we know the store clerk has to work another 2 hours of his crappy job to earn that £10 back. We have empathy for his situation because we've both probably worked in similar minimum-wage, soul-destroying jobs at some point in our lives and can relate to his situation.

A kid obviously hasn't worked in such a job. You can tell him why it's a morally bad thing, and he might understand on a logical level, but he lacks the experiences and memories of having suffered through something similar to attach to the store clerks predicament.


As for the debate-class dropouts who think my line of reasoning is some excuse for having stolen myself at some point - let me introduce you to Ad Hominem. Whether I have stolen something is irrelevant to whether what I am saying is true or not.

It's especially irrelevant because I haven't stolen before. I'm just under no illusion that I abstained from doing so because as a 12 year old I had developed a strong sense of morals and empathy.

Thanks for insulting my parents whom you have never met nor know anything about however! Perhaps if your parents had educated you properly, you wouldn't be embarrasing yourselves by using logical fallacies most 12 year olds do understand.

Well back in the day you'd get booted out of a mom and pop store by the owner who would be be beating the hell out of you as he did it. It was an excellent motivational tool.

AS to your personal statement, not sure who accused you have stealing in the past Rube. You might ratchet it down a notch.

Rube wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Rube wrote:The only kids who don't steal are those who are spoilt to the point that they've never needed to, or those who are made too scared of any physical repercussions to try.

Morally they just won't understand why it's bad. Words mean nothing without experience to back them up.

I disagree , why wouldnt they understand its bad?

We wouldn't steal, say, a £10 blister because we know the store clerk has to work another 2 hours of his crappy job to earn that £10 back. We have empathy for his situation because we've both probably worked in similar minimum-wage, soul-destroying jobs at some point in our lives and can relate to his situation.

A kid obviously hasn't worked in such a job. You can tell him why it's a morally bad thing, and he might understand on a logical level, but he lacks the experiences and memories of having suffered through something similar to attach to the store clerks predicament.


As for the debate-class dropouts who think my line of reasoning is some excuse for having stolen myself at some point - let me introduce you to Ad Hominem. Whether I have stolen something is irrelevant to whether what I am saying is true or not.

It's especially irrelevant because I haven't stolen before. I'm just under no illusion that I abstained from doing so because as a 12 year old I had developed a strong sense of morals and empathy.

Thanks for insulting my parents whom you have never met nor know anything about however! Perhaps if your parents had educated you properly, you wouldn't be embarrasing yourselves by using logical fallacies most 12 year olds do understand.

I cant speak for others ( since everyone is different )
but for myself i grew up with the basic idea of. I wouldnt like that done to me ( stealing included ) so i wont do it to them.

Assumptions always lead to annoying mistakes. That's the lesson here

Im thinking there were some coddled kids here? When I was a kid (from Newark NJ, inner city drugs, gangs, the whole 9, so NOT Texas), if I had stolen anything, my father would have spanked it outta me. If my kid (I have 6 btw) stole, then they would get a spanking, quickest way to teach them that stealing comes with consequences, non of this "get in touch with your feelings" BS. It's called morals. Morals teach you that stealing is wrong, lack of morals makes excuses for doing it. Simple as.

This all boils down to parenting. If they take the time to teach you morals etc, then you will grow one way. If they are lazy they'll expect the system to teach their child right and wrong and will end up with aberrant little juvies. Would explain why Grand Brittania is such a sink hole (tit-for-tat on the Texas remark).

The examples in this thread ultimately asks one thing.

Pushing all the consequences aside , i would like to know:

If you can steal something and no one will never know and you'll never get caught.

Would you do it?

Texas literallly does have a few sink holes..

I think he was complementing Texas actually...

@ Flashman

My deepest apologies then Flashman.

I just get very sensitive to Euros stereotyping/equating the US as tobacco spitting texans and hicks. Grant it we have those, but many of us are just hard working rubes who want better for our families and work really hard at it and dont really appreciate being lumped in with "those".

So again, apologies, I'll leave my original post alone for continuities sake if no other.

@ Spacemanvic - Yes, it was intended as a complement.

Once you've been here a while, you'll see that very few intended insults come from my direction.

I would also say with regards to my crime, it was only football stickers and it was 24 years ago. Please let me move on with my life

Flashman wrote:@ Spacemanvic - Yes, it was intended as a complement.

Once you've been here a while, you'll see that very few intended insults come from my direction.

I would also say with regards to my crime, it was only football stickers and it was 24 years ago. Please let me move on with my life

@ Flashman
Agreed. My wife was busted for stealing makeup when she was 11 and was taught VERY quickly how wrong it was (story came out when we were teaching our daughters about the need to pay for things and saving for it). Verified story with MiL.

LunaHound wrote:The examples in this thread ultimately asks one thing.

Pushing all the consequences aside , i would like to know:

If you can steal something and no one will never know and you'll never get caught.

Would you do it?

Of course someone would know. You yourself would know.

No I wouldnt. I'm not a theif.

carmachu wrote:No I wouldnt. I'm not a theif.

Thieves are bad, mmkay?

carmachu wrote:

LunaHound wrote:The examples in this thread ultimately asks one thing.

Pushing all the consequences aside , i would like to know:

If you can steal something and no one will never know and you'll never get caught.

Would you do it?

Of course someone would know. You yourself would know.

No I wouldnt. I'm not a thief.

I'm not sure taking a board game piece when she was 7 equates to Luna being a master criminal. My actions on the other hand... Mmmwhahahahaha.

Seriously, is nobody else going to own up to minor violations of the 8th Commandment?

When I was young me and another accomplis (partners in crime), used to go to the local gas station/grocery store and take money from the coffee kitty. Basically when all the people would come in the morning to get coffee, they would come in get a cup, and leave 50 cents in a bowl. We would take a dollar out of it and buy candy. I was involved with it a few times until one day my "partner" decided to perform a petty heist on his own and got caught. Never again would I ever steal anything.

I'll go ahead and point out that I was taught Right and Wrong and when I was 16 I was stealing things. I wasn't into war gaming and I wouldn't steal from others. I would always steal from the big faceless corporations because "feth those guys" . My parents didn't screw up teaching me morals I screwed up by not listening.


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figure I would go ahead and add that I haven't stolen anything since then. I did get busted and I got the great joy of paying for it and then some.

I do find it difficult to believe that so many people have never stolen anything. Most everyone has taken something without thinking about it or has stolen something very minor. I stole some pieces of candy from a wal-mart when I was 5. I also steal internet from my friend's neighbors when I'm at his apartment.

I've stolen some candy from my grandmother once.

I've also stolen a Yu-gi-oh card.

Both happened when I was 7.

Am I a criminal?

Does anyone know any kids that can steal some on my behalf? I'm too morally upstanding to do it myself but, you know, these little dudes cost £2 each!

I confest that I've stole a wallet from one of my classmates before, but I got caught eventually and was beaten to death after that.After that I would rather get sacked in the balls than to steal another candy.

I really hope I have the same courage again


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Tony the guardsman wrote:Hey all,

This is totally true believe it or not

I caught a model thief yesterday at the store.A 13 ish old kid was watching my game against a nid player, who had his 3000gaunts laying on a side table.He was picking them up, and playing with them.I got suspecious cuz he was not looking at the model when he was playing with it.So then I kept an eye on him until he put like 4 or 5 gaunts into his pocket.He was trying to leave after that, but I stopped him and ask him politely for the stuff back, and thats when my VERY friendly opponent came.

We didnt want a new gamer to get into so much trouble, so we let him go without any charges, and to my suprise,the nid player even gave him a gaunt and taught him a good lesson of how a gamer should earn thier models, not steal them.That kid cried in front of us, maybe too impressed by my opponent.

This is just a briefing, it was much more exciting than this.

Anyone have any similar experiences?

Touching story. You were wrong, but touching story.

You arent doing him any favors by sheildinghim from the consequences of his actions.

As my dad used to say.

"If you're going to break the law, make sure it's worth it"

Make of that what you will.

We weren't all brought up in morally correct bubbles. Personally, I had quite a troubled youth and made many mistakes. Some small, some massive. But, I like to think that I learned from each one of them.

In a way they have made me the (I like to think decent) man I am today.

Kids will be kids and desperate people do desperate things. Each case is different and most are minor lapses in judgement.

My 2 pennys worth.

Mr-_-Flidd wrote:As my dad used to say.

"If you're going to break the law, make sure it's worth it"

My dad used to say: "If you aren't cheating, you aren't trying"

I imagine GW lose more product to screw-ups in the moulding process than to kids. No-one loses. GW might even make a fan who will one day be raped by price increases and dropped support for his squat army.

Rape is worse than theft.

Never take drugs.

Orion_44 wrote:One of the saddest days I worked for GW was when a manager called me and one of our vets had stolen 2 demon princes off the wall and was caught by mall security. GW always presses charges and he got banned from the store. He was 22 years old, his mom called me crying and he was very upset. He was just desperate. It was sad mainly because the manager probably would have given him personally owned demon princes if he needed them that badly.

I usually tried to stop them before they left the store and do something similar to your opponent, sometimes you just can't.

Really, desperate for 2 Demon Princes? How can you be "desperate" for models? That's a pretty lame excuse.

Tony , i know many young ones seem to think with the mentality of

"Thats enough , he was caught and learned his lesson"

because you see , lots of the time they arnt caught , and repeat such offense over and over again.

Tony the guardsman wrote:

I do think it was wrong to let him off the hook just like that, but I also think that he's learnt his lesson as he was crying for my opponent's act

Or he's learned how to cry and gain sympathy for the next time.

I dont think he needed to be arrested and do the perp walk. But certainly confessing his crimes to his mother when she showed up, or calling her to say hey you kid try to steal a couple models was certainly in order.


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Kirbinator wrote:

carmachu wrote:No I wouldnt. I'm not a theif.

Thieves are bad, mmkay?

Sorry, didnt steal when I was a kid. There's certainly a difference when a kid takes stuff when their 3,4,5,6 then when their 13, 15, or so. One's still learning, the other is odl enough to know better.

When I was 13-14 I used to steal cartons of smokes from the drugstore and sell them off in my neighborhood for beer and pot money. My mom usually bought them from me as well.



Wow my parents were up!!!

mattyboy22 wrote:Really, desperate for 2 Demon Princes? How can you be "desperate" for models? That's a pretty lame excuse.

I agree... if you're really on hard times, you shouldn't be in a GW store, it's just too expensive.

As for younger persons/gamers... the only way to learn (if it doesn't sink in from being taught) is through consequences. I'm not sure if I'd press the issue or not... I think it was a noble thing that the OP did. Sometimes an act of kindness goes farther than the letter of the law... it really depends on the situation and, imho, isn't quite as black and white as people think.

But this would be why I don't like having younger gamers around my models

I love to have people watching my game, as I've mentioned before, I just love it when people from different ethnities join together and talk about the same hobby(especially when you have those mohowk gangster and a young korean kid high fiving...)

But I always, Always, ALWAYS count my models again and again in the game to make sure that my warriors are not "running away".

But until now it haven't been that much of an issue for me cuz I have a very small army

Tony the guardsman wrote:but I got caught eventually and was beaten to death after that.

lol

And I've been meaning to say, do you realize that you've only posted about five times for every one topic you've started? Dude . . . chill.

Manchu wrote:

Tony the guardsman wrote:but I got caught eventually and was beaten to death after that.

lol

And I've been meaning to say, do you realize that you've only posted about five times for every one topic you've started? Dude . . . chill.

From the guy with over 2k posts

c34r34lk1ll3r wrote:

Manchu wrote:

Tony the guardsman wrote:but I got caught eventually and was beaten to death after that.

lol

And I've been meaning to say, do you realize that you've only posted about five times for every one topic you've started? Dude . . . chill.

From the guy with over 2k posts

I know you must have meant 4k . . . but I'll forgive it this time. Also, I see you yourself have a 10:1 post to topic ratio.

In other news, I declare this very thread stolen.

LOL, I like to talk within my threads, it feels like "my territory" for some reason

When I was 5 I stole a really cool rock from a garden center, my mom found out, and made my turn it back in to the manager.

When I was 16 I used to steal energy drinks from wal mart. There was a spot cameras couldnt see, I probably made off with about 10 of them. It was more an "I cant afford these, and dont need them, but feth the corporations" attitude than anything.

Thats about it. I mean the temptation can always be there to steal. "You know, I could get that box of guys for free, this game store is a hundred miles from my house and doesnt have cameras, etc etc". But Ive never done it. Its wrong, and thats the end of the story.

@Tony: More than a sixth of your posts have started new topics. That must be some sort of record. Maybe give responding to other people's threads a go?

I will admit I stole a .50 cent piece from my Art teacher in 3rd grade. I didn't have one, she didn't look for it after class and I still have it.

Although, I never got caught, I did feel pretty guilty for a while.

In other more troubling news, my house was broken into last October, My PS3, all 8 of my games, a Wii Fit board and about 300 CD's were lifted from my house by drug addicted slime from across town. Then they tried to break in two more times in the next 4 weeks and finally one was caught, the other is still on the run.

Fortunately for those detestable pieces of excrement I wasn't home (in school 2 1/2 Hours away) and my parent's were working. In Missouri, if you find someone in your house, and you didn't invite them in, you can shoot them on site, no questions asked from the police. I would have gone "Iron Hand" Straken on those methheads with my Rmeington 870!

Manchu wrote:

c34r34lk1ll3r wrote:

Manchu wrote:

Tony the guardsman wrote:but I got caught eventually and was beaten to death after that.

lol

And I've been meaning to say, do you realize that you've only posted about five times for every one topic you've started? Dude . . . chill.

From the guy with over 2k posts

I know you must have meant 4k . . . but I'll forgive it this time. Also, I see you yourself have a 10:1 post to topic ratio.

In other news, I declare this very thread stolen.

I like to ask questions. Also if you think that is bad you should see my ratio on the White Wolf Forums. ~3800 posts and I've created around 400 threads.

c34r34lk1ll3r wrote:~3800 posts and I've created around 400 threads.

Lol, par for the course it would seem! My own rate is something like over 60 per topic started.

I have never stolen a model but once....

I was in vacation on palm springs.
I saw the FLGS
walked in
loved it

Fell on a Land Raider
Was charged 30 bucks.
Got to keep the LR
And thats how i got into warhammer

How did you fall on a land raider? Did you trip over that invisible laser line used to prevent shoplifting? LOL

I too love Mn castle law. Some donkey-cave breaks into my house to steal my 40k stuff he's a dead man.

What the hell does donkey-cave mean

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:What the hell does donkey-cave mean

Click the quote button on Fateweaver's post to find out!

the owner of the club i play at is good friends with the store owner which we have our groups
he allows us to play after the store closes in a sectioned off room with a lock
this went fine and dandy for a while until people would bring codexes (codices?) in to the area we would play in
they when had to lock the door earlier than normal—forcing people to go outside in order to go to the main part of the store
slightly ticked about that

@NoToTheMan: Could we have that one more time please?

Manchu wrote:

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:What the hell does donkey-cave mean

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oh thats it. I was fully expecting some new and exciting term

When I was about 13 I stole a toy from a local gift shop. I forgot what it was but I remember when my dad found out he made me go back & pay for it. Luckily for me the owner was very nice & let me off, the event was just really embarrassing and I've never stolen again.

However I do think about it lot, would never do it again, but I'm an Information Security & Forensics major so I'm always thinking up how the best way to beat any security system is and what I'd have to do to patch the vulnerability

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:oh thats it. I was fully expecting some new and exciting term

Nah. I was confused, too, the first time I saw someone called a "fething witch gak" (or somesuch) around here. I thought "well that's an odd looking phrase."

Fateweaver wrote:How did you fall on a land raider? Did you trip over that invisible laser line used to prevent shoplifting? LOL

I too love Mn castle law. Some donkey-cave breaks into my house to steal my 40k stuff he's a dead man.

I am really surprised that The People's Republic Of Minnesota has the Castle law, there is hope for this country!

Mn leans a little left but it's surprisingly very conservative in a lot of regards. Thankfully the gun laws are one area that liberals have failed to feth with. They try but they get shouted down pretty quick.

Though are welfare system is probably one of the most atrocious systems in all of the US so that's why it still leans left. Free handouts to all.

as a child of about 7 or 8, i stole two Star Wars action figures from a TG&Y store. i remember it as being my brother's idea, but somehow i was the hatchet man, and i took the fall for it. somehow my father discovered the ruse (i had hid them under my shirt) on the car drive home, and took me immediately back to the store and made me return them personally to the manager. i was so mortified that i never shoplifted again. i still have nothing but the utmost scorn for shoplifters (sorry Morrissey!)

Lets see.... I was 15 when my friend stole some food from a local gas station. I didn’t even know till the old man that owned the place put his hands on our shoulders and asked to see what was in our pockets.
Had me freaked out something major. Had me thinking if this old dude does not get his hand off me........ I was ready to fight when my friend burst into tears. Put me off my guard.
The old man made him put all the stuff on the counter. He had taken two cans of Vienna sausages, a can of spam and those little bag sandwiches. After the cops where done with us we had both been pegged as shop lifters. Him for stealing and me for running cover for him……..?
Never had a clue, but It stuck with me till today. I forgave him though when I found out from his sister that their dad had lost his job months before and they had not been eating.
Asking him about it later he pony upped to it that the food was for him and his sis. Wish I had known I could have done something even if my family never had any money.
So yes I think stealing is wrong and I have seen some theft in my local stores. Now I know there is no reason to steal at all……but you have to have some sense that what your doing is wrong or you would just pick up said item and boldly walk out of the store.
I mean come on it takes a little planning to steal. Is anyone looking, will it hide under my shirt. Should I hold it for a little or just shove it out of sight fast.
My gaming buddies now take turns playing and watching when others our around. This after my War boss on Wyvern walked off.
Then my Lizard friend saw his Lizardmen Stegadon do the disappearing act.

Well kids story time is over, lets put up our pillows.
And a good day to you sir.

I wasn't telling a fairy tale, it was true that I stopped someone from stealing

I loved stopping shoplifters.

I tackled one guy outside of a supermarket I worked at. Jumped on his back like a spider monkey and he must have slid about 3 feet on his face and stomach.

That was back when you could actually physically stop someone without fear of lawsuit.

I was a nicer sercurity...I could've, but I didnt

One of my friends got his bud from school back to gaming. He had stolen a guard heavy weapon box and told us about it, so we never let him hang out with us. Later he got one of those big green plasma gun cardboard box things and filled it up with stolen witch hunters and grey knights stuff. One staff member saw that there was a couple demon hunters items missing found that odd since no one buys thems. As the kid is walking out the store with over $300 dollars worth of DH stuff a staff member grabbed him and gave him the banhammer. It was awesome seeing him cry like a girl in front of the whole store. hehehe.

Whats up with thieves crying when caught?

Natural Reaction?

Latent defense mechanism?

Expression of genuine regret?

Miniature nervous breakdown?

Further evidence of emotional immaturity?

I guess. Probably a sympathy attempt more then anything.

It's a big stew of fail is all I meant.

Well what ever makes them cry, I always pull up a chair and watch the snot bubbles fill up the air. And it gets really good when the parents come and go ape **** crazy at the managers. Its their kids fault, not the stores.

A kid came into my LGS, tried stealing a dvd, and proceeded to cry like a baby when he got caught. Fortunately his mom was mad at him, not management. He said "i didnt know stealing was wrong, my brother does it all the time".

Sometimes I have seen parents get angry at kids. Which is what a good parent should do. ( if i ever got caught stealing my mother would slap the shizzle out of me) But kids would end turning them around by saying "I didn't mean to, now they are going to ban me from the store and every other store around, now the hobby that cost you $$$$ for me is over wahhhhhh." Then parents get mad and Management for making such a choice for punishment which serves them right. If your stealing, then your immature too play the game.

I once saw a kid trying to steal one of my trygons. I put it on the table behind me as it was dead, and when I turned around it was gone. I noticed it sticking out of the pocket in his coat. So I jumped over the table, tapped him on the shoulder. And when he turned around I tiger punched him so hard in the face it smashed his nose completely flat. The doctors say that 11 years old is too young for plastic surgery, so we all call him tau boy now. I decided not to press charges for his inconveniencing me, and when I punched him it made my wrist a little sore.

But do you make the kid play Tau? It's the only way he'll really learn a lesson.

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I once saw a kid trying to steal one of my trygons. I put it on the table behind me as it was dead, and when I turned around it was gone. I noticed it sticking out of the pocket in his coat. So I jumped over the table, tapped him on the shoulder. And when he turned around I tiger punched him so hard in the face it smashed his nose completely flat. The doctors say that 11 years old is too young for plastic surgery, so we all call him tau boy now. I decided not to press charges for his inconveniencing me, and when I punched him it made my wrist a little sore.

They didnt try to sue you for the punch?

No, we made him paint the store owners world war 2 historical themed communist guard army.

Painting historicals? Oh God, that's even worse.

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:No, we made him paint the store owners world war 2 historical themed communist guard army.

Do you have his address?

Manchu wrote:Painting historicals? Oh God, that's even worse.

Its vosotroyan guard, 250 infantry and 4 basilisks


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I grappled the shoggoth wrote:No, we made him paint the store owners world war 2 historical themed communist guard army.

Do you have his address?

Why would I have his address?

LunaHound wrote:I cant speak for others ( since everyone is different )
but for myself i grew up with the basic idea of. I wouldnt like that done to me ( stealing included ) so i wont do it to them.

That's how I've always endeavored to live my life as well. Matthew 7:12 speaks a great deal of sense after all.

I think Cicero's On Duties is a good example of how one should live

At my local GW we have a bitz box. A local Tau player lost a devilfish and 2 Broadsides... few weeks later they appeared in the bitz box. Which other players traded for...

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:Why would I have his address?

Dunno i'll laugh if he runs off with the owner's army he was supposed to paint.

We have him shackled to a desk in the storage room.

My 12 year old kid has contorol issues (suffers from ADD) and has been caught a few times stealing from us and once from a store (a packet of chewing gum)

He understands it's wrong, knows he will be in trouble, but litteraly has trouble stopping himself before the act.

It's difficult to know how to deal with it, but we work on the carret and big ass stick bases.

He EVER gets caught even for small things he gets major gak, but if he exhibits possitive control, he gets rewards.

As he gets older it is sinking in, but the greatest effect has been when someone has stolen from him, he lost a load of dvd's when our eldest son had a party which got out of hand and it really upset him, so I use that as an empathy example, if you don't like it happening to you, don't do it to other people.

Stealing is wrong, whether its worth 5p or £50, it's still wrong.


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Example of the gak, he took £1 out of his mum's chicken money jar, so to "pay it back" she made him clean out all the chicken runs, very unpleasent job, plus didn't go out that week.

Last week had a possitive report from school that his behaviour in some classes has been noticed to be improved, so he now has a nice new Havoc Squad to add to his chaos marines.

It would be nice if the world was like that prison ship in Red Dwarf, where whenever you break the law it happens back to you.

E.g. whenever you steal something, something of yours goes missing.

I've not stolen ever; it's wrong. Full stop

Boss 'eadbreaka wrote:Well, that's 4 theft related threads.

Indeed. Maybe there is something in the air?


I don't know why people feel the need to steal. It doesn't cross my mind at all, and I am confused as to why people do it. For survival purposes I guess it is acceptable, you know, food and the like. However stealing items that aren't essential is just greed. I think thieves have a sense of entitlement that they shouldn't possess.

Stealing is stealing and thats that....

People should know the difference between right and wrong from the off.Not be taught it in some way by stealing and then getting caught...

Plus grown men stealing (Which I have seen so many times) is pathetic especially when they crank on the excuse "I dont have any money I lost my job im desperate man"....

The logical answer should be "Get a fething job and stop trying to make the world feel sorry for your obvious lack of self restraint"

Its the same as when people crank out and I applogise to Druidic in advance for what im about to say.

"I start trouble because I have mental issues" that really really really really pisses me off......

Because at the end of the day there is absolutely no excuse for theft.

I said nothing here

Jup. I've seen too many of these, even at my age.

At Wal-Mart a week or two back a guy about 14-15 years old (so my age-ish) got a Yu-Gi-O pack and opened it behind his back, then slipped the cards into his pocket. He freaked out when he saw me, turned and walked rather fast in the opposite direction. I told the cashier who called him down. Got thanked, and then I left.

At the second of my four trips to the "local" GW I witnessed a kid maybe 12-13 opening a blister and slipping the figures into his jacket pocket, while the only employee currently on duty was walking me through my first game of 40k. Informed the employee that "that kid over there just stole some figures" and the kid was caught, the figures found it short order, and he was banned permanently from the store. Apparently he had done it twice before and gotten stern warnings.

Got accused of stealing the next trip. I bought a SW pack and assembled them at the hobby-desk there. Ziploced all of them but the wolf guard and my favorite Grey Hunter and was walking out admiring it when a 20-ish man grabbed my arm and said "What do you think you're doing, punk?" I jerked my arm away and, quite mad, asked him what the hell was his problem. He said that was HIS miniature I was carrying. I said no, I just bought them, ask the manager. He made me follow him, asked the manager, confirmed it, and, checking his army case, found his Wolf Guard was still there. Admittedly we had both assembled them in the exact same pose. He got quite embarrased and bought me a blister to make up for it.

Fourth incident is when I witnessed a couple of teens pocketing gum at a Shell station. Unfortunately I was a little late to figure out that they hadn't paid for it, but told the manager just the same.

one thing not mentioned is how long you intend the young offender to keep paying for the mistakes he makes. its one thing to only involve parents, and the store. its another to include the police and have charges leveled. a 12 to 13 year of kid, then has a record. that record will fallow him for the rest of his/her life, regardless if hes pardoned or not, becasue all records go out internationaly now and there is no law nor is there any way to expunge a record outside of your own contry. i learned this at my expense when 20 years after the fact, that charges (supposedly erased after my 18th birthday, as i was a young offender at the time) ended up coming to light at a border crossing into the US from Canada.
the officer asked if i had a record, and as i was assured it was erased, i said no.... well i guess i still do, and after a little phonecalling and visting to the main police station in my city i found out that the deeds are erased, not the fact that you have a record, it was not hard after that for the helpful police man to hunt up exactly what my records contained, and it shocked me that the information though not available in canada can be accessed in the US and othe countries. and there is no way to get rid of it.

well to make a short story a bit longer, the punishment The the kid the OP mentions, has a bright side, if it were an isolated event, the kid wont have a record, and perhaps learnes a lesson, gets the fear of Gawd put into him, and goes off to do whatever, free of burdan (personally i thin the OP is right, let the kid slide, you know hes tried to steal just watch him closer from now on, if you catch him again reassess and reevaluate what to do.)
for those upstanding persons out there that have never been in trouble, stealing or other wise with the law, and have condemed the OP's discision. i understand and respect your position, but try to see the other side, some one steals at a young age, right or wrong, caught or not doesnt mean that the person is a bad or evil kid. we all make mistakes. some knowingly, others because we dont understand what were getting into, it doesnt matter what the offences is (mostly) . stealling as discussed surely is wrong, no buts about it, but the punishment, that bears thinking on, because if you hit the kid to hard with a punishment your not just punishing him for a mistake, your punishing him for life.

Ask your self what you would want happen to your kids and then decide, do you want your child branded a criminal for the rest of his life? or would you rather handel them sternly, yourself, or without getting your kid a record by coming to some kind of arangement with th store other than a visit to the police station.

(with that said my own situation had to do with something other than stealing, but the paralelle drawn is exactly the same. )

As a member of this demographic of later teens that seems to be stealing, I just want to warn you about your lack of punishment. If for some reason I ever gave into the desires and stole something, I would be so nervous, and would bawl when I'd get caught. However, at the high school, I have eavesdroppped (maybe overheard is better, as theives talk loud) upon many boastful guys saying that turning on the waterworks is really helpful when you're caught. If these guys spent their time in extra curricular activities like Drama, they'd be great actors by now. So just be wary; some of us would beally cry if caught , but some people who only do it for the thrill, or what ever fething reason they do it, are crafty. So if you think they're genuinely interested in the game, letting them off the hook while teaching them a lesson is a good choice. If they're just some delinquent, let the ban hammer bash in their skull!

As a reminder, don't steal. If you try to rationalize that it isn't hurting anyone, then remember that you have to steal from a store or person, who will be hurt by it.

Stealing = bad.

If you steal, these guys WILL find you.

(also known as GW's legal team)

LunaHound wrote:The examples in this thread ultimately asks one thing.

Pushing all the consequences aside , i would like to know:

If you can steal something and no one will never know and you'll never get caught.

Would you do it?

Have done it. Would do it or not again circumstantially. If I was at a rich friend's house and he had no relatives or will and he died while I was there, and also had one easy to lift item that could pay for my ability to live for a year, I might. If there were someone besides "the state" who would benefit from him dying I wouldn't consider it. I would really, really need to have something to gain to try it though.

I feel content enough(although most of the time short in money,but still)that I won't even bother to risk it...Maybe I'm just THAT LAZY

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I once saw a kid trying to steal one of my trygons. I put it on the table behind me as it was dead, and when I turned around it was gone. I noticed it sticking out of the pocket in his coat. So I jumped over the table, tapped him on the shoulder. And when he turned around I tiger punched him so hard in the face it smashed his nose completely flat. The doctors say that 11 years old is too young for plastic surgery, so we all call him tau boy now. I decided not to press charges for his inconveniencing me, and when I punched him it made my wrist a little sore.

How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

mattyboy22 wrote:

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I once saw a kid trying to steal one of my trygons. I put it on the table behind me as it was dead, and when I turned around it was gone. I noticed it sticking out of the pocket in his coat. So I jumped over the table, tapped him on the shoulder. And when he turned around I tiger punched him so hard in the face it smashed his nose completely flat. The doctors say that 11 years old is too young for plastic surgery, so we all call him tau boy now. I decided not to press charges for his inconveniencing me, and when I punched him it made my wrist a little sore.

How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

Want to hear about the time I crane kicked my girlfriends grandma because she wouldnt quit standing in front of the tv while I was trying to play Halo.

YES I DO!

Shoggoth, for one, I sincerely hope you actually did not strike a child. I don't even need to describe how wrong that is.

Two, I hope you didn't use martial arts to carry out such an act. The whole arts issue is an assumption taken from your "tiger punched" and "crane kicked" statements. I have been practicing the arts for years, and I pray that you wouldn't shame yourself, your school, or any practicioner for that matter, with such an uncontrolled outburst of violence.

Well, I'm still up for hearing the crane kick story.

Manchu wrote:Well, I'm still up for hearing the crane kick story.

I'll second that, sounds like it'll be hilarious.

Me third!
Well, I don't like hurting people

sounds to me like hes full of sh**. "oh yea i tiger smashed this guy" "oh i crane kicked this chick" please. if your even a day into any martial arts of any kind, you would know its not taught as agessive and pointless violence. that kind of behaviour flys in the face of every martial arts training out there, so your either A: a lying sack of donkey excrement, or B: someone who belongs behind bars simply because you think violence to the young and elderly is amusing. eitherway, i would strongly recommend censoring yourself, and seeking therapy of some form.

mattyboy22 wrote:How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

Fl@nked wrote:Shoggoth, for one, I sincerely hope you actually did not strike a child. I don't even need to describe how wrong that is.

Two, I hope you didn't use martial arts to carry out such an act. The whole arts issue is an assumption taken from your "tiger punched" and "crane kicked" statements. I have been practicing the arts for years, and I pray that you wouldn't shame yourself, your school, or any practicioner for that matter, with such an uncontrolled outburst of violence.

DarthSpader wrote:sounds to me like hes full of sh**. "oh yea i tiger smashed this guy" "oh i crane kicked this chick" please. if your even a day into any martial arts of any kind, you would know its not taught as agessive and pointless violence. that kind of behaviour flys in the face of every martial arts training out there, so your either A: a lying sack of donkey excrement, or B: someone who belongs behind bars simply because you think violence to the young and elderly is amusing. eitherway, i would strongly recommend censoring yourself, and seeking therapy of some form.

mattyboy22 wrote:How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

Fl@nked wrote:Shoggoth, for one, I sincerely hope you actually did not strike a child. I don't even need to describe how wrong that is.

Two, I hope you didn't use martial arts to carry out such an act. The whole arts issue is an assumption taken from your "tiger punched" and "crane kicked" statements. I have been practicing the arts for years, and I pray that you wouldn't shame yourself, your school, or any practicioner for that matter, with such an uncontrolled outburst of violence.

DarthSpader wrote:sounds to me like hes full of sh**. "oh yea i tiger smashed this guy" "oh i crane kicked this chick" please. if your even a day into any martial arts of any kind, you would know its not taught as agessive and pointless violence. that kind of behaviour flys in the face of every martial arts training out there, so your either A: a lying sack of donkey excrement, or B: someone who belongs behind bars simply because you think violence to the young and elderly is amusing. eitherway, i would strongly recommend censoring yourself, and seeking therapy of some form.

Good grief.



You know what this deserves don't you...





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Deploy the Buseytrollz!!

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Now can we get back on topic?

Tony the guardsman wrote:People with mental issues shouldnt be in gamesworkshop playing some games that needs high mental quality.

Never ever, ever go there. Your just going to start a massive sh#7 fight. A lot of wargamers have some sort of mental disorder. There are at least a dozen wargamers I know at my local GW store who are dyslexic or have ADD or ADHD and they're perfectlly fine people with well built, well painted armies.

I once went into a games workshop in Essex England.

I pick up a huge amount of both plastic and metal miniatures and went to the counter. I was taking to the friendly redshirt as he put the items into the GW bag.

When he asked for payment it seemed far to low. Being a 'sneaky grot' I said nothing.

I thanked him and left the shopping centre double fast. For some reason he hadn't scanned in all the metal blisters 96 pounds worth!



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I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I I tiger punched him so hard in the face it smashed his nose completely flat. The doctors say that 11 years old is too young for plastic surgery, so we all call him tau boy now. I decided not to press charges for his inconveniencing me, and when I punched him it made my wrist a little sore.

lol that actually very funny!

Lighten up people he's obviously taking the Ps

This thread is a valuable contribution to Dakka. What a shining example of reasoned discourse.

Not as valuable as that kid painting his 'khrone baserkers' in his own blood.

/Gir: I love this show.

MeanGreenStompa wrote:Not as valuable as that kid painting his 'khrone baserkers' in his own blood.

/Gir: I love this show.

Care to explain?

Hawkins wrote:one thing not mentioned is how long you intend the young offender to keep paying for the mistakes he makes. its one thing to only involve parents, and the store. its another to include the police and have charges leveled. a 12 to 13 year of kid, then has a record. that record will fallow him for the rest of his/her life,

Good. It should. Back in my day we just fed them to the hyenadons to teach 'em a lesson!


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I grappled the shoggoth wrote:

mattyboy22 wrote:

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:I once saw a kid trying to steal one of my trygons. I put it on the table behind me as it was dead, and when I turned around it was gone. I noticed it sticking out of the pocket in his coat. So I jumped over the table, tapped him on the shoulder. And when he turned around I tiger punched him so hard in the face it smashed his nose completely flat. The doctors say that 11 years old is too young for plastic surgery, so we all call him tau boy now. I decided not to press charges for his inconveniencing me, and when I punched him it made my wrist a little sore.

How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

Want to hear about the time I crane kicked my girlfriends grandma because she wouldnt quit standing in front of the tv while I was trying to play Halo.

Best thing for her.


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Fl@nked wrote:Shoggoth, for one, I sincerely hope you actually did not strike a child. I don't even need to describe how wrong that is.

Two, I hope you didn't use martial arts to carry out such an act. The whole arts issue is an assumption taken from your "tiger punched" and "crane kicked" statements. I have been practicing the arts for years, and I pray that you wouldn't shame yourself, your school, or any practicioner for that matter, with such an uncontrolled outburst of violence.

You need to reset your internet sarcasm detector to "pulling your leg."

People steal for many reasons it varied dependant upon age, background, situation and wealth. I'll share my personal example.

I was about twelve and a bunch of my friends at the time used to steal things from the local GW store, most of them had quite well off parents (one of them, his dad used to run a coach company and owned a nightclub) so they certainly could afford to buy pretty much what they wanted. I guess I was the odd one out, my mum was raising me on her own and we lived in a grotty flat above some shops, I didn't get pocket money as my mum couldn't afford it so I used to work in a greengrocers after school and on Saturdays for £1.25 an hour.

My mum has always tried her best to bring me up properly and with a good set of morals, despite being quite poor I never lacked for any of the essentials (clean clothes, hot food and a comfortable bad etc). Whilst my friends were busy filling their pockets with blisters and paints I would do my best to ignore it, but it started getting out of hand, they started to try and out do each other by stealing larger and more expensive items, the store staff knew what was going on but couldn't prove it, they even knew who was doing it because back then there were no other shops selling GW stuff nearby and the internet just wasn't about. The staff pretty much knew what every regular bought (and didn't buy). What made the situation worse was that we all got on well with the staff and used to hang around with one of the key timers out side of his working hours, I felt like I was stabbing him in the back.

It came to a head when one guy stole a copy of Warhammer fantasy battle, it was so blatant, but he got away with it. I then started getting major grief for not doing it myself, after all they said it was easy and I could get hold of the models I couldn't afford, they even started having large apocalypse style games at there houses where I was no longer invited because I "couldn't afford a big enough army". So I did something really stupid. I stole a couple of blisters and some paint. I didn't get caught but I felt so ashamed and guilty I couldn't bring myself to go back to the store and face the staff for a while, eventualy I decided that I would go back to the shop, own up and pay for what I had taken. I told the key timer who was also our friend about the whole situation, including who I knew was stealing, what they were taking and how they were doing it. I also paid for the stuff I had stolen.

The manager didn't ban me, I still consider this to be a very lucky thing over 15 years later. He did however ban the others and tell them that it was me who had grassed them up, so I may have been able to go into the store but I certainly had no friends left. Probably just as well.

I am still very good mates with the key timer (who is no longer with GW) and as I said I consider myslef very lucky as by rights I should have been banned no excusses. What I will say though is that ever since, the thought of going into a shop and pinching something has made me feel sick and self loathing even to this day.

squilverine wrote:What I will say though is that ever since, the thought of going into a shop and pinching something has made me feel sick and self loathing even to this day.

Thats what it ultimately comes down to.

Some people will feel that way with overwhelming guilt and nausea , while some people will feel perfectly fine.

i like stealing i often go to random games clubs int the area just to get myself a new army

i even wait around after its in my boot until the kid notices and starts crying he's eyes out

i lol till i wee myself

anyway its the best £10(in fuel) i spend

if you don't steal then you are just stupid - stealing is cool
it saves you money
and also provides you with a thrill that is only matched by crack
frankly if you claim that you don't steal i say your a lier - FACT

ADD SALT TO TASTE . I RECOMMEND ONE PINCH

I didnt realize how many usernames Steven Segal has on Dakka. I'll try to remember that "the Arts" are super serious business from now on . . . Meanwhile, a kid who paints zerkers with his own blood is a total badass no matter how you cut it.

DarthSpader wrote:sounds to me like hes full of sh**. "oh yea i tiger smashed this guy" "oh i crane kicked this chick" please. if your even a day into any martial arts of any kind, you would know its not taught as agessive and pointless violence. that kind of behaviour flys in the face of every martial arts training out there, so your either A: a lying sack of donkey excrement, or B: someone who belongs behind bars simply because you think violence to the young and elderly is amusing. eitherway, i would strongly recommend censoring yourself, and seeking therapy of some form.

How incredibly mature of you, punching an 11 year old in the face.

Shoggoth, for one, I sincerely hope you actually did not strike a child. I don't even need to describe how wrong that is.

Two, I hope you didn't use martial arts to carry out such an act. The whole arts issue is an assumption taken from your "tiger punched" and "crane kicked" statements. I have been practicing the arts for years, and I pray that you wouldn't shame yourself, your school, or any practicioner for that matter, with such an uncontrolled outburst of violence.

Its completely true. Here is the only known picture of me.

I stole some shoe laces from wal mart once. Needed a new set, but had to pick up something requiring both hands, so without thinking I put the laces in my pocket, picked the big item up, paid for it, and walked out. Wasnt til I got home I realized I have free laces.


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Manchu wrote:I didnt realize how many usernames Steven Segal has on Dakka. I'll try to remember that "the Arts" are super serious business from now on . . . Meanwhile, a kid who paints zerkers with his own blood is a total badass no matter how you cut it.

I have a super secret painting technique for my noise marines and slaaneshi demons. I call it the "Fulgrim"

Sticky Marines eh?

Gloss varnish is your best painting tool

Frazzled, you're right. I probably should have taken that like a joke. Unfortunately, there are many, many, stupid people out in the world and I honestly can't expect too much in the way of logical thinking. Next time, I'll try to take things like that with a grain of salt, even if I don't see any markers to suggest such.

And Manchu, it isn't a super serious business, but it's important to a lot of people. Martial arts is a thing that some devote their lives to, and seeing someone under the same banner giving them a bad name is a tad annoying.

Like I said, I overreacted though. I should have given the benefit of the doubt BEFORE jumping to conclusions.

My philosophy of martial arts, if it isnt muay thai you will be beaten by a muay thai fighter. This is assuming stand up, I dont know much about the ground game.

Fl@nked wrote:Frazzled, you're right. I probably should have taken that like a joke. Unfortunately, there are many, many, stupid people out in the world and I honestly can't expect too much in the way of logical thinking. Next time, I'll try to take things like that with a grain of salt, even if I don't see any markers to suggest such.

And Manchu, it isn't a super serious business, but it's important to a lot of people. Martial arts is a thing that some devote their lives to, and seeing someone under the same banner giving them a bad name is a tad annoying.

Like I said, I overreacted though. I should have given the benefit of the doubt BEFORE jumping to conclusions.

Don't read the post by Croggy then...


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I grappled the shoggoth wrote:My philosophy of martial arts, if it isnt the tau of 1911a you will be beaten by the 1911a fighter. This is assuming stand up, I dont know much about the ground game.

Corrected your typo.



But yea Thai boxers are mean little ers aren't they.

its spelled tao

i like stealing i often go to random games clubs int the area just to get myself a new army

i even wait around after its in my boot until the kid notices and starts crying he's eyes out

i lol till i wee myself

anyway its the best £10(in fuel) i spend

if you don't steal then you are just stupid - stealing is cool
it saves you money
and also provides you with a thrill that is only matched by crack
frankly if you claim that you don't steal i say your a lier - FACT

oh lawdy lawdy

I grappled the shoggoth wrote:its spelled tao

i like stealing i often go to random games clubs int the area just to get myself a new army

i even wait around after its in my boot until the kid notices and starts crying he's eyes out

i lol till i wee myself

anyway its the best £10(in fuel) i spend

if you don't steal then you are just stupid - stealing is cool
it saves you money
and also provides you with a thrill that is only matched by crack
frankly if you claim that you don't steal i say your a lier - FACT

oh lawdy lawdy

As the original language is neither English nor using English characters, its spelled however the hell I want to spell it Rothboy!

When I was like 11 me and some friends went to a little corner gift shop because word on the street was they sold transformers, so we go in there and check it out and they indeed did have transformers, but they were the same exact looking toys only with some other name like some cheap chinese knockoff (yes there were chinese knockoffs of everything even in 1983). I was eyeing up the Lazer Beak that they had since he was the last cassette robot I needed for my Sound Wave collection. We were goofing around and I was pretending to stuff it in my jacket. Then the shop owner saw us and came over, one thing lead to another and I ran outta the store scared, but still had laserbeak stuffed in my jacket. I ran all the way home terrified, but I knew I couldn't go back and return it cuz the fuzz might be there.

So yeah, that was the first and last time I ever stole anything.

Tony the guardsman wrote:We didnt want a new gamer to get into so much trouble, so we let him go without any charges, and to my suprise,the nid player even gave him a gaunt and taught him a good lesson of how a gamer should earn thier models, not steal them.

Back when us old-timers were growing up, an adult could have taken a belt to the kid's ass. Nowadays, I guess you gotta call the cops, and let them deal with it.
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carmachu wrote:False anology. Not every kid needs to stick their hand in fire to know it burns.

Some of us will deliberately stick a kid's hand over fire so that they learn it faster.

JohnHwangDD wrote:
Back when us old-timers were growing up, an adult could have taken a belt to the kid's ass.

Some of us will deliberately stick a kid's hand over fire

you is sick mate

Pfft.

Kids today are totally spoiled.

Why, back in my day, we suffered!

JohnHwangDD wrote:Pfft.

Kids today are totally spoiled.

Why, back in my day, we suffered!

Why when I was a kid i had to go work at the coal mine and walk five miles to get there up hill BOTH WAYS!

Yeah, if I wanted to talk to my friend sitting 20 feet from me I had to actually walk up to him/her and talk to them. Didn't have the luxury of txting them on my cell phone (seriously I see that gak a lot. Get off your lazy ass and walk the 20 feet to that person).

I stole some stickers once when I was 8. Parents found out soon as I got in the car. I got my ass whooped right there in the car, then I was marched back into the store in front of God and everyone, my dad asked for the manager and right there in front of God and everyone I was made to apologize to the manager for stealing the stickers.

Since then I've never even wanted to lift anything. If I can't afford it I come back when I can.

Frazzled wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:Pfft.

Kids today are totally spoiled.

Why, back in my day, we suffered!

Why when I was a kid i had to go work at the coal mine and walk five miles to get there up hill BOTH WAYS!

*Only* five miles? You had it easy!

Why we had to get up at the crack of dawn, walk 10 miles *barefoot* each way, to break rocks in the quarry for eleven hours a day!

"five miles"...

In my day I did that but I also had to do it walking through 2 feet of snow in temps that could very easily dip down to -60F with windchills.

You two had it easy.

Fateweaver wrote:In my day I did that but I also had to do it walking through 2 feet of snow in temps that could very easily dip down to -60F with windchills.

You two had it easy.

yea but I was being chased by hyenadons.

Oh, only 2 feet of snow? Why, that's barely enough to get your knees wet. Try trudging through snow up to your neck!

And -60F with windchill? Try -60F without windchill!

Ahh, those were the days, made us tough.

Not like kids today!

I assume Cali hasn't always been your home?

Last time Cali saw temps below 30F was the Ice Age.

I was being chased by liberals and their brainwashing pamphlets. I'll take heyandons anyday.

These liberals were also Jehovah's Witnesses.

I grew up on the east coast, lived in the midwest for ages, didn't move to Cali until the last several years.

WRT (SoCal) Cali tems, Big Bear has real snow every winter.

Yeah, there are a crap load of liberals out here. No wonder the state is so F'd up.

Jehovah's Witnesses? Be thankful it's not Scientologists...

Scientologists annoy me less than Jehovah's.

Tony the guardsman wrote:People with mental issues shouldnt be in gamesworkshop playing some games that needs high mental quality.

Excuse me?

JohnHwangDD wrote:I grew up on the east coast, lived in the midwest for ages, didn't move to Cali until the last several years.

WRT (SoCal) Cali tems, Big Bear has real snow every winter.

Yeah, there are a crap load of liberals out here. No wonder the state is so F'd up.

Jehovah's Witnesses? Be thankful it's not Scientologists...

Meh, try 105 in the shade chased a radnom mix of Mexican bandits, Comanches, jackalopes, and lawyers.
Oh wait, that was us.


But yea you youngins with your wussy ways. Back in my day if the hyenadon/jehova's witness/lawyer/scientologist bugged us, we just got a rope. Now you have to call the cops and have them get a rope. Its so annoying.

I approve that pic.

Back in our day that was the Vegetarian Platter...

LunaHound wrote:If you can steal something and no one will never know and you'll never get caught.

Would you do it?

Sounds like the Ring of Gyges legend: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_of_Gyges

You old guys had it easy. You cant even crane kick a dodgy old bat without getting lectured by sixteen year olds on the internet these days. I blame you, the parents.

Frazzled wrote:

Oh hell yes big texan steak house. I ate a 36oz for dinner there, didnt bother fething with that monstrousity. Although now that I think about it, that looks like the 36oz

I would say that kids at my age are pretty spoiled indeed, especially when they are borned in a cocky family.
Slightly off topic here, there is this kid in my art class who would spend 30 min a class lokking into the mirror than help take out some paint, I just had to say that...

I had a paper route with over a hundred houses when I was twelve. I bought almost all of my 40k stuff.

Just wanted to throw my lot in with the 'shouldn't steal due to beliefs'.

I grew up nearly poor, and paid for my gaming items with money i earned. For years, when i went to a store, i would read whatever they had out, until sooner or later I had the money to buy it.

I didn't steal due to fear of consequences, or ability to restrain my 'want'. Only because it was wrong; the thought never even crossed my mind to try it.

I should say, that if you have a 'friend' who you know steals and do nothing to stop him, you are nearly as bad. Same goes for someone who doesn't remind the cashier he didn't ring up all your items, no matter how ridiculously overpriced GW's stuff is.

Not saying kids do this or that for any particular reason, but this has been my personal experience on the topic.

I grew up poor, and I nicked stuff.

Give a feth.

Where I'm from, pinching stuff is a rite of passage. Grown-ups who do it are just weird though. If they aren't smackheads, in which case it's understandable.

Heroin costs money.

I stole stuff when I was 13 years old or so.

Never got caught. Too sneaky, and I only did it at the safest of times. I didn't risk.

Weed wasn't as expensive as it was back then, but I still needed it 'till I was out of highschool. Never got caught with that either. It made me cool, while otherwise, I really was pretty boring, and it took away the endless taunting for being jewish, y'know.

Weed?I hate those, smells bad like hell

Different spin on this question:

As a kid yes, stole minor things in a local store because other kids I knew did it, it seemed like a game of no consequence at the time.
You realize later, potential consequence and the idea of "unnecessary risk".

Things that go through the mind when I think of the concept of stealing:

Criminal incarceration, fines, future job limitation, no crossing Can / Am border.
Trust is gold in any relationship, usually if you spend any time at all with a person being trustworthy just plain gets you better treatment.
Empathy, when you have been stolen from (and I have been) the shock and betrayal is very vivid.
I heard the definition of "conscience" is "The honesty of your selfishness".

If I was to be a cold calculating son of a gun it just plain makes logical sense to be honest, the potential benefit from the theft just does not seem to be enough.

I would trust someone more who understands the consequences of theft over someone who just lacks backbone, one day they will find their price.

Added note: Gave cash back to the same family/store owner of approximate value with compounded interest of 20% and an apology back when I was in college.

I stole some half/half from a bowling alley once. o.O

I heavily support nurture in the nurture vs nature debate. Doesn't matter *where* you are compared to *who you are* raised by.

I despise people who steal, there is only one excuse. To feed your family, any other attempt at justification, is invalid.

I don't have a job, nor many money acquiring chances a year.

I just get some models on christmas, then wait it out for the rest of the year.

Manchu wrote:I didnt realize how many usernames Steven Segal has on Dakka. I'll try to remember that "the Arts" are super serious business from now on . . . Meanwhile, a kid who paints zerkers with his own blood is a total badass no matter how you cut it.

Seriously though, who the hell is this kid?

Self control issues.

A few people commented, so let me explain my sons issue. Firstly he is not mentally deficient, he is a bright and generally good kid, he knows right from wrong, but he suffers from ADD, which is a slight chemical imbalance in the brain.

Simply put this means he has some self control issues which are helped, but not cured, by some mild medication. So sometimes he does things he knows are wrong but literally phsically can't stop himself. He is invariably wracked by guilt afterwards, which makes it so easy to spot!

We are all working with him to improve things, and now he is diagnosed it makes it easier to understand, but it's still just as hard for him.


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And by the way, not offended if you don't understand, it's taken me quite some time to understand myself, which has definitly harmed my relationship with my son, but that's something else I'm working on getting right.

I'll admit that I've stolen at least 400$ worth of Yu-Gi-Oh cards in my entire life (from people and stores alike). Never been caught because of how easy they were to take though. I'm incredibly lucky. After age 14, I decided that I would never steal again (I found....the value of good Karma) and I've been clean since then..I don't look back well on it,tbh. Such a stupid thing to steal..



I probably am a kleptomaniac though...I just 'borrowed' a couple tau battlesuits from my friend (to paint). He told me I could paint them before,but I didn't bother to ask later on...He also said we could build models out of his bits box, but I didn't finish the model I was making,so I took the pieces home without his permission. I'll give his models back (albeit painted 1000x better) when I'm done with them, but I just feel bad....:(

croggy wrote:i like stealing i often go to random games clubs int the area just to get myself a new army

i even wait around after its in my boot until the kid notices and starts crying he's eyes out

i lol till i wee myself

anyway its the best £10(in fuel) i spend

if you don't steal then you are just stupid - stealing is cool
it saves you money
and also provides you with a thrill that is only matched by crack
frankly if you claim that you don't steal i say your a lier - FACT

ADD SALT TO TASTE . I RECOMMEND ONE PINCH

No, stealing is the worst thing on earth, I suggest you get rid of this hobby of taking things without paying
Unless you were joking

alot of confessions going on here..

Tony the guardsman wrote:

croggy wrote:i like stealing i often go to random games clubs int the area just to get myself a new army

i even wait around after its in my boot until the kid notices and starts crying he's eyes out

i lol till i wee myself

anyway its the best £10(in fuel) i spend

if you don't steal then you are just stupid - stealing is cool
it saves you money
and also provides you with a thrill that is only matched by crack
frankly if you claim that you don't steal i say your a lier - FACT

ADD SALT TO TASTE . I RECOMMEND ONE PINCH

No, stealing is the worst thing on earth, I suggest you get rid of this hobby of taking things without paying


Unless you were joking

That was a JOKE, read the last line again.

It's good to let your inner daemons out once in a while. Especially to complete strangers!

Everyone has inner daemons, but my fear had conquered it

Tony the guardsman wrote:No, stealing is the worst thing on earth

i'd saying killing, chopping up and eating people is maybe just a little worse than stealing, but hey if we're all spilling our guts on the internet... well have i got some stories about fun weekends where i did somethings that are just a little worse than stealing...

Can't say I've ever stolen anything from my games store. If there are new people around I tend to watch them like a hawk when they're around others or my dead or reserve piles. That being said it would be very unwise to steal from the players at our store, don't screw around with army vets, they'll mess you up.

I don't know about everyone else but I wouldn't be willing to run the risk of having my reputation completely destroyed by stealing things I don't need, even worse if you're stealing from a GW store and suffer the humiliation in addition to that.



Also, moral superiority.

*Stands on top of the Moral mountain*

guess im the only one here who is proud to have stolen somethng. my friend and i got in a fight and we were both mad, but one day i went to his house and saw that he had a transformers toy with no pieces missing. now i had the same toy but was missing a leg, and i REALLY LIKED THE TOY. so....i grabbed it put it in my pocket and took it home. several years later, i find out my friend is not my friend anymore, cant take a joke, and is a stalker. but imo that was one hell of a toy...

i also once thought i put some paint on my pockets since my cell phone rang right next to the paint cans and when i went to put it in my pocket, i felt something hard....after 5 seconds of horrible fear, i realized it was my house keys >_>

I have stolen minor things before, most kids have at some stage. The difference is that whereas the vast majority of kids will stop, as they see it as wrong eventually, some don't and it's these you've got to look out for.
I think the worst kind of thief is the one with the skewed moral justification for it, such as "I'm sticking it to the man, this is a big company, they make tonnes of profit!"

I'm 14 and the worst stealing I've done is probably either 'stealing' a paper clip from the desk to do some pinning or accidentally putting someone else's paint in my paint box on the way out.

I work for my money!!! Serving food in a pub, roughly 6-10 o'clock on the weekends

Anyway, answering the original question, we once had a situation at the FLGW where a woman walked in and took some Sanginor sprue's of the shelves (about 5?) and went to the counter, asking for a refund. That's nearly £60!

It wasn't till later that the staff had realised what had happened and... well, they got a bollocking off of the manager.

It is quite wierd that some of my friends who used to steal food from my school cafe stopped eventually for no reason.Mental growth?Fear?Change in economic status?I have no idea, but they stopped eventually

Thats the beauty of human nature...

Does getting the employee rebate and a further discount on a very slightly damaged Realm of Battle game board count as stealing?
$120 CAD total paid for it including taxes.

And getting employee rebate (I never worked in a GWShop) for multiple orders too.
That's somewhat stealing isn't it? ;D


But other than that, I've done what the majority has done when they were young, stolen a few things here and there from lack of pocket money - candies~ nomnom.

When I was little I stole a toy. I dont even remember what it was but I remember the rush it gave me.

However I alittle later in life got a paper route, and part time jobs so I guess I redeemed myself.

I really find you guys hard to believe. "omg,the only thing I've ever stole was a paper clip!".Yeah right. Give me a break. I'm sure at least someone here has stolen a phone,or an iPod, or a wallet. I wouldn't be surprised if any of you stole a car,tbh.

The world's a tough place. I find it hard to believe that people like you exist in this day and age.

Well I found this wet gumball on the floor of a gw..... I ate it!

is that stealing?

no thats not a joke


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And I stole a Paintball magazine
then i got cought
and the manager gave it to me

People like me don't steal, we wait

Samus_aran115 wrote:I really find you guys hard to believe. "omg,the only thing I've ever stole was a paper clip!".Yeah right. Give me a break. I'm sure at least someone here has stolen a phone,or an iPod, or a wallet. I wouldn't be surprised if any of you stole a car,tbh.

The world's a tough place. I find it hard to believe that people like you exist in this day and age.

By minor, I meant mars bars and magazines, something most kids will have filched at some stage. Only a few people move on to stealing stuff that is actually worth something, I'd say.

Samus_aran115 wrote:I really find you guys hard to believe. "omg,the only thing I've ever stole was a paper clip!".Yeah right. Give me a break. I'm sure at least someone here has stolen a phone,or an iPod, or a wallet. I wouldn't be surprised if any of you stole a car,tbh.

The world's a tough place. I find it hard to believe that people like you exist in this day and age.

To be perfectly honest, the kind of crowd we encourage here on Dakka:- that is to say, literate, mildly intellectual, and the kind of person who plays with toy soldiers in a fantasy universe - is not really the kind of people who tend to do Grand Theft Auto in real life.

I mean, considering the kind of careers I know the regulars here have....let's see....soldiers, lawyers, businessmen, students, artists, etc, we don't seem to be comprised very highly of the 'criminal' element.

I used to work for GW and in one store and we had a memorable failed theft. We were doing our normal Saturday daycare, and one of the regular kids told us to keep an eye on one of the others. This other was watching a game, and also spending several hours slowly filling his bag with blisters. We intercepted him outside as he tried to leave and he instantly burst into tears. A couple of phone calls later the dad shows up, really embarrassed and apologetic. Then the mum shows up and goes completely psycho on the kid. We didn't call the police in the end, decided the reaction of the mum was enough for that kid.

Ironically, about 6 months later the manager was arrested, turned out he'd been taking loans from the cash register.

Ketara wrote:I mean, considering the kind of careers I know the regulars here have....let's see....soldiers, lawyers, businessmen, students, artists, etc, we don't seem to be comprised very highly of the 'criminal' element.

Students, lawyers and businessmen are often some of the biggest crooks and thieves around, but I agree with the general point you are trying to make

Oh, certainly. But how often do you see a businessman on 40K a year trying to steal a £6 blister?

I stole something two decades ago from a toy store in Belgium during a vacation: a small piece of plastic hay from a tractor set. Don't know why I did it, but for the rest of that week I felt miserable. I threw the stolen item away at the end of the week.

My experiences with theft in the store have been mentioned over at off-topic though it still boggles my mind. Maybe it's my built-in moral compass (I'm like Captain America when it comes to my senses of right and wrong, only not as cool and my outfit has little windmills instead of wings on the cowl) but I just can't fathom why people do it.

Why do people feel guilty?I don't when I do something bad, I am scared but not guilty...Like when I refuse to do my homework or break someone's window

My major theft story was when I was 16. the funnier thing is that I wasn't there for this one and it was the one I got charges for (now expunged but they were there for a bit of time). Me and some buddies were hanging out on my friends boat (he didn't live in a house, he lived on a sailboat on the river). We got hungry and 2 of them decided to go get something to eat. It was in February and I wasn't feeling well so I decided to stay at the boat and wait for them. About 45 minutes after they had left (we had a gas station near by but from where he lived walking it was about 30 minutes) I realized that none of them had any money and figured they would of been back rather soon. Well within the next 20 minutes they come strolling up with about 20 cans of soda and a bunch of snacks. They had broken into a vending machine at the near by golf course.

I left in the morning when it wasn't 15 Fahrenheit outside and walked home. I saw quite a few sheriff's drive by and was somewhat perplexed as to why, I thought they had just pulled the snaking the arm into the machine to get the snacks. About 4 hours later we get a knock on the door at my place and apparently they had stole a flat bed truck, drove it around on the green and then pushed it into one of the ponds before breaking the vending machine to get the snacks. I got lumped into it with them and had to pay for quite a bit of that stuff also.

and there's my theft story. Aside from things that I feel no moral pull to (torrenting, photocopying books, P2P, connecting to a unprotected network and using power/water), I've never really stolen anything. I've been given things that were stolen.

as a teenager, i see stealing going on with great regularity. school for example someone will get thier food slip the queaue before the regester an saunter away. it enrages me alot.
only once have i seriously considered stealing something and that was about four years ago. I was in church and the service had ended and everyone was out in the pourch talking. i came to this pew and saw this little white evelope. i pick it up an look inside and theres four 20 euro notes inside. in that moment i seriously considered taking them and at ten years old my mind didnt even think about weather it was right or wrong, or even the fact i was in church! thankfully some little voice told me not to and gave the money to the man who had been sitting in the pew.
when i was in london for my new year celebrations some one tried to steal a jacket off my body! thankfuly my cousins boyfriend at the time was a good runer and he got it back.
but if in the center of london( no offense to londoners) people see it as acceptalbe to steal then i am shocked at our world...
assult marine

Samus_aran115 wrote:I really find you guys hard to believe. "omg,the only thing I've ever stole was a paper clip!".Yeah right. Give me a break. I'm sure at least someone here has stolen a phone,or an iPod, or a wallet. I wouldn't be surprised if any of you stole a car,tbh.

The world's a tough place. I find it hard to believe that people like you exist in this day and age.

Yeah, you caught us, we've all committed grand theft auto.

I've never stolen any thing like that in my life, never have, never will. I've had my phone AND iPod stolen from me, and I know how it feels. Maybe you're the kind of waste of space that does these things, but most other people don't.

Captain_Trips01 wrote:

Yeah, you caught us, we've all committed grand theft auto.

according to a Courthouse in a North Carolina county I have. Theft sucks even more when you weren't there for it and you get charged for it. It would of made it worth getting the false charges if I would of been there doing it. But that is another rant for another time.

Ketara wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I really find you guys hard to believe. "omg,the only thing I've ever stole was a paper clip!".Yeah right. Give me a break. I'm sure at least someone here has stolen a phone,or an iPod, or a wallet. I wouldn't be surprised if any of you stole a car,tbh.

The world's a tough place. I find it hard to believe that people like you exist in this day and age.

To be perfectly honest, the kind of crowd we encourage here on Dakka:- that is to say, literate, mildly intellectual, and the kind of person who plays with toy soldiers in a fantasy universe - is not really the kind of people who tend to do Grand Theft Auto in real life.

I mean, considering the kind of careers I know the regulars here have....let's see....soldiers, lawyers, businessmen, students, artists, etc, we don't seem to be comprised very highly of the 'criminal' element.

That's a good point. The kind of people who play poker on the internet 24/7 and shoot heroine, those are the kind of people who I'd expect to steal a car...(if they played poker 24/7,when would they have time to steal a car,lol?)!


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Captain_Trips01 wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I really find you guys hard to believe. "omg,the only thing I've ever stole was a paper clip!".Yeah right. Give me a break. I'm sure at least someone here has stolen a phone,or an iPod, or a wallet. I wouldn't be surprised if any of you stole a car,tbh.

The world's a tough place. I find it hard to believe that people like you exist in this day and age.

Yeah, you caught us, we've all committed grand theft auto.

I've never stolen any thing like that in my life, never have, never will. I've had my phone AND iPod stolen from me, and I know how it feels. Maybe you're the kind of waste of space that does these things, but most other people don't.

Um,okay? WTF are you getting angry for? Are you gonna cry or something?

No need to shoot accusations at me for questioning the morality of individuals in an internet situation. I guarantee If I went to a forum for something like...Rap music, the results would be overwhelmingly negative. I still find it hard to believe people can uphold such good values.

Ketara wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I really find you guys hard to believe. "omg,the only thing I've ever stole was a paper clip!".Yeah right. Give me a break. I'm sure at least someone here has stolen a phone,or an iPod, or a wallet. I wouldn't be surprised if any of you stole a car,tbh.

The world's a tough place. I find it hard to believe that people like you exist in this day and age.

To be perfectly honest, the kind of crowd we encourage here on Dakka:- that is to say, literate, mildly intellectual, and the kind of person who plays with toy soldiers in a fantasy universe - is not really the kind of people who tend to do Grand Theft Auto in real life.

I mean, considering the kind of careers I know the regulars here have....let's see....soldiers, lawyers, businessmen, students, artists, etc, we don't seem to be comprised very highly of the 'criminal' element.

We seem to be in no short supply of the stupid ones though...

LOL...

.......lol

.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:

Ketara wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:I really find you guys hard to believe. "omg,the only thing I've ever stole was a paper clip!".Yeah right. Give me a break. I'm sure at least someone here has stolen a phone,or an iPod, or a wallet. I wouldn't be surprised if any of you stole a car,tbh.

The world's a tough place. I find it hard to believe that people like you exist in this day and age.

To be perfectly honest, the kind of crowd we encourage here on Dakka:- that is to say, literate, mildly intellectual, and the kind of person who plays with toy soldiers in a fantasy universe - is not really the kind of people who tend to do Grand Theft Auto in real life.

I mean, considering the kind of careers I know the regulars here have....let's see....soldiers, lawyers, businessmen, students, artists, etc, we don't seem to be comprised very highly of the 'criminal' element.

We seem to be in no short supply of the stupid ones though...

Examining the three posts above me, you may have a point.

Tony the guardsman wrote:Why do people feel guilty?I don't when I do something bad, I am scared but not guilty...Like when I refuse to do my homework or break someone's window

Because they have morals and ethics?

Tony the guardsman wrote:Why do people feel guilty?I don't when I do something bad, I am scared but not guilty...Like when I refuse to do my homework or break someone's window

At the risk of extrapolating, this tells me that your only incentive not to do bad is the fear you'll be caught? Doesn't speak well for personal character, but Hobbs would be proud.

Edit: Bah, Frazzled, you ethics ninja you!

Well I know they have pride and moral, but I don't know what guilt feels like!I m sure I've felt it before, but I dun know when to call it guilt, is it connected to fear?

Frazzled wrote:

Tony the guardsman wrote:Why do people feel guilty?I don't when I do something bad, I am scared but not guilty...Like when I refuse to do my homework or break someone's window

Because they have morals and ethics?

lol no way judging by all of Tony's post he's like the pope of morality (sarcasm)

First let me say I've been clean for over 10 years now witch is a huge accomplishment for me. The funniest thing I've ever stolen is a 36 pound turkey from Safeway. Did it for fun when I was very young as a dear me and my friends came up with. You know who can get the biggest thing from the store out without getting caught.

I think at some point in your life you stop and realize that stealing even from a huge store like Wal-Mart or safe way still hurts a person. My thought was it just hurts the rich Person who owned the store. So why should I care. It took me till I was 18 to realize that that manager might not get his bonus and feed his children because his shrink was too high. I just took me 18 years to realize that.

Tony the guardsman wrote:Well I know they have pride and moral, but I don't know what guilt feels like!I m sure I've felt it before, but I dun know when to call it guilt, is it connected to fear?

Most functioning societies strive for the education of the young in the mastery of ethics and morality. Evidently its not taking this time around.

You sir, have a career in politics, just waiting for you (or home remodeling bidding).

Tony the guardsman wrote:Well I know they have pride and moral, but I don't know what guilt feels like!I m sure I've felt it before, but I dun know when to call it guilt, is it connected to fear?

Tony, at this point, I find it highly necessary to ask how old you might be? I'm surprised and terrified that you have such a lacking of the concept of guilt, and I'm honestly wondering (hoping) if you're just not old enough to grasp it fully yet and feel it moreso than you realize. I would not say it is fear-induced. The only way I can think to explain it is maybe have you done something once that you wished in retrospect you did something different? It's kind of like that. Regret is another good word that comes to mind.

Regret!Thats the word Im looking for here, thank you~!

I'm just blown away by how many non thieves we have on Dakka. I mean, it's the INTERNET. None of you stealing naysayers have downloaded a video, song or codex?

Seen a show or movie on Youtube, Dailymotion etc?

Made a digital copy of a cd your friend bought?

I'm shocked...and more than a little bit disappointed in some of the reactions I've read.

Technically those are different crime. Attempt to obfiscate the issue...FAILED.

Frazzled wrote:Technically those are different crime. Attempt to obfiscate the issue...FAILED.

Indeed. Haven't you been to YMDC? We're all about semantics and technicalities here.

Taking the property without purchase is covered in theft. Y'know, that big U.S. Federal warning is about infringement of copyright and theft of sales.

Downloading movies ripped from dvds and physically taking the disc is the same thing. Stealing
Or are you saying that if I download paper plans of GW products it's not theft? I'm certainly not buying the model and it hurts my lgs. And I'm pretty sure the the def of stealing applies.

Technically those are different crime. Attempt to obfiscate the issue...FAILED.

Hmmm...

Hmmm...

I just had a "real life-stealing experience".

This thread. It stole 20 minutes of my life I want back.



Thieving scumbags exist. Doesn't matter if you're a mandollies play or racecar driver or sportsperson (or their bimbo). They're an "occupational hazard".

mrwhoop wrote:Taking the property without purchase is covered in theft. Y'know, that big U.S. Federal warning is about infringement of copyright and theft of sales.

Downloading movies ripped from dvds and physically taking the disc is the same thing. Stealing
Or are you saying that if I download paper plans of GW products it's not theft? I'm certainly not buying the model and it hurts my lgs. And I'm pretty sure the the def of stealing applies.

Then why aren't they charged with theft,
Larceny; the unlawful expropriation of someone else’s property with the intent of keeping it from its rightful owner.

I have bolded the important part.

Stealing deprives GW of a potential sale to me AND the initial goods they were selling me. Piracy/Copyright Infringement only deprives them of the first.

chromedog wrote:I just had a "real life-stealing experience".

This thread. It stole 20 minutes of my life I want back.



Thieving scumbags exist. Doesn't matter if you're a mandollies play or racecar driver or sportsperson (or their bimbo). They're an "occupational hazard".

Im sorry to take your time sir, I didnt mean to

But I think it is you who gave your time, the thread didnt steal it

Failure to detect the sarcasm much?

Geez, you canuckistanis puzzle me sometimes.

Dakka took away time from my life I can't get back.

I'm going to go /wrists and listen to Justin Beiber.

I don't mean what the person is charged with, I guess I mean more RAI

Stealing - To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

Theft - Criminal law - the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permanently of its possession

Just because it's digital doesn't mean you're not stealing. You don't have the right to use or have the download. Legally I guess it becomes RAW. I'll just refer to my new sig.

Neconilis -" Indeed. Haven't you been to YMDC? We're all about semantics and technicalities here. "

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Sorry if I puzzled you somehow, no sarcasm

mrwhoop wrote:I don't mean what the person is charged with, I guess I mean more RAI

Stealing - To take (the property of another) without right or permission.

Theft - Criminal law - the dishonest taking of property belonging to another person with the intention of depriving the owner permanently of its possession

Just because it's digital doesn't mean you're not stealing. You don't have the right to use or have the download.

Uh.

Yes, it does mean that you're not stealing. What you're doing is violating copyright. The two aren't equivilant.

Please read my definitions and try again.

Not legal def - stealing is taking without right or permission

legal def of theft - taking yo' stuff

I didn't bring it up to obfusicate the issue or what the court will charge the poor kid with for taking a model. I'm talking more about morays and socially accepted morals i.e. stealing is bad. Don't take stuff you didn't pay for, it hurts that company/persons producing it. If it was free then it's not wrong UP TO A POINT. I also think it's wrong to take all the free samples of food at grocery stores. You get one and move on.

unless you're a nid, then you can eat all the free sample people you want and only get charged with petty murder. Hive's crowded as it is.

Wow just went out to my car and found I no longer have my 6k skaven army. Thats what I get for thinking locks on a car door = I can leave crap in my car. So looks like I can say ya I have have a real life stealing experence so much for playing 8th.

tadaka wrote:Wow just went out to my car and found I no longer have my 6k skaven army. Thats what I get for thinking locks on a car door = I can leave crap in my car. So looks like I can say ya I have have a real life stealing experence so much for playing 8th.

6000 pts of Skaven? Holy moly how long did that take to paint? That must be over 500 models at least, right? That really, really, really sucks anus.

Not painted I actualy just bought the army. With 8th comeing out I just picked up the 6k army last week never even had the chance to play a game with it :(

On the plus side I dont have to paint a about 400 scaven now :|

Having a 4000 point skaven army about half painted, man that blows chunks! You have my sympathy! Try your house insurance, mine covers for an amount of stuff out of the house up to £10`000, but not every one does!

mrwhoop wrote:Please read my definitions and try again.

Not legal def - stealing is taking without right or permission

legal def of theft - taking yo' stuff

You can argue your definitions all you want but at the end of the day stealing has a recognised legal definition, and copyright infringement ain't covered by it. Piracy isn't theft.

Well, except the cool kind, but that generally involves murder and sodomy as well. Possibly the lash. Rum goes unsaid.

and this is the legal definition of stealing

- the wrongful or willful taking of money or property belonging to someone else with intent to deprive the owner of its use or benefit either temporarily or permanently. No particular type of movement or carrying away is required. (lectlaw.com)

include a felony it becomes - larceny - the crime of taking the goods of another person without permission (usually secretly), with the intent of keeping them. It is one form of "theft." (legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com)

throw in the digital media and copyright infringment is the name. "A bundle of intangible rights granted by statute to the author or originator of certain literary or artistic productions, whereby, for a limited period, the exclusive privilege is given to that person (or to any party to whom he or she transfers ownership) to make copies of the same for publication and sale" (legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com)

Thusly, RAI, piracy or copyright infringment is the theft of Intellectual Property and the willful taking of money due the copyright holder. You can get a year of jail or $1000's in fines.

Yes, you're right when it's been said it's a different crime or covered by different laws but my stance is stealing the real or intangible is still stealing/theft. The law goes on to cover all kinds of theft like embezzlement and burglary and other circumstances BUT

RAI: it ain't yours, so don't take it.

And looking back I am off topic as I have been lucky enough not to have real life stealing happen to me. I'm done...sorry

mrwhoop wrote:Thusly, RAI, piracy or copyright infringment is the theft of Intellectual Property and the willful taking of money due the copyright holder. You can get a year of jail or $1000's in fines.

Yes, you're right when it's been said it's a different crime or covered by different laws but my stance is stealing the real or intangible is still stealing/theft.

re bolded: So every time I pirate a copy of Modern Warfare 2, Activision loses money out of their bank accounts!? Hot dang, Martha, let's set up a torrentbot and we'll bankrupt these crooks in no time!

Seriously though, let's say, purely hypothetically, that I download a CD from a band that I've never heard of before.

If I'd seen it at a store, I wouldn't have bought it, because I wouldn't have known what the songs or who the band were.

Has the copyright holder lost a sale, or gained a potential consumer?

Greetings criminals and vagabonds. Enjoy my $0.02.

According to Wikipedia (I know, I know, but it's the most easily accessible source) Theft is defined as "the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent". So let's break our old friend copyright infringement down and see what we can come up with.

Is it illegal? I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't. Moving on.

Is it taking another person's property? Well property puts the P in IP. So, yes, any sort of information created by a person is the creator's property in the eyes of the law.

Is it being done without freely-given consent? If it wasn't then it wouldn't be piracy.

So. Piracy IS illegal, it IS taking another person's property, and it IS done without freely-given consent. It certainly seems to be looking, walking, and quacking correctly. Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have a duck. By which I mean theft. Which is often committed by ducks. Alan Moore told me that last part.

FeistierErmine wrote:Greetings criminals and vagabonds. Enjoy my $0.02.

According to Wikipedia (I know, I know, but it's the most easily accessible source) Theft is defined as "the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent". So let's break our old friend copyright infringement down and see what we can come up with.

Is it illegal? I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't. Moving on.

Is it taking another person's property? Well property puts the P in IP. So, yes, any sort of information created by a person is the creator's property in the eyes of the law.

Is it being done without freely-given consent? If it wasn't then it wouldn't be piracy.

So. Piracy IS illegal, it IS taking another person's property, and it IS done without freely-given consent. It certainly seems to be looking, walking, and quacking correctly. Ladies and gentlemen, I believe we have a duck. By which I mean theft. Which is often committed by ducks. Alan Moore told me that last part.

Awesome. If really is theft, why does the **AA keep campaigning for literally thousands of dollars per song downloaded? If I stole a cd of 10 songs, I'd probably just get charged with whatever the fine for petty theft is. Too lazy to look it up, but I'm guessing it's less than $1000. That sort of violates the whole pesky Eighth Amendment thing you Imaginary Property fans seem to hate so much.


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Is it illegal? I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't. Moving on.

Is drinking bleach good for you? I don't think anyone is arguing that it isn't. Moving on.

Wait a second. I would actually argue that it might not be illegal. I can record songs from the radio, and tv shows from my cable. We even have Tivo, which is a full-fledged commercially released recorder. What's different between picking it up over the air waves and picking it up over a wire? I'm not even going to get started on the big content attacks on fair use.

daedalus wrote:Tony, at this point, I find it highly necessary to ask how old you might be? I'm surprised and terrified that you have such a lacking of the concept of guilt, and I'm honestly wondering (hoping) if you're just not old enough to grasp it fully yet and feel it moreso than you realize. I would not say it is fear-induced. The only way I can think to explain it is maybe have you done something once that you wished in retrospect you did something different? It's kind of like that. Regret is another good word that comes to mind.

I too am interested in how old you are Tony. You are either young and naive, or your parents did a horrible job of raising you.

People with mental issues shouldnt be in gamesworkshop playing some games that needs high mental quality.

This is what bothered me the very most. What 'eadbreaka said is exactly what I felt at the time. And having mental issues does not affect the mental quality of oneself. I have a chemical imbalance in the brain, known as bi polar depression, and I'm at the top of all my classes in school at an IQ of 135-140. ( althought the two don't coincide ) My friend has a mild form of autism and his IQ is up there in the 160's, smartest kid I know, just doesn't use it well.

I am 15, I would not say that my parents did a bad job, but I do have a big lack of things
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Edit: I am sorry for what I said

Tony you just edited the post...that doesn't mean you didn't say it. The best thing to do wouldn't be to try and erase the mistake, but to apologize for it.

A lesson that should've been taught by Mr. and Mrs. Tony the guardsman.

Some people in here are either great liars or really great people.

Someone tried to steal off me during a mini tournament.
I was sitting playing a game and asked the opponent if he would like to take his go, I needed to visit the wee boys room. I came back and my morathi had just dissappeared so I asked my opponent how he killed it (I expected he just layed her to the side at that point) to which he then looked shocked and asked me "where the hell did it go it was just there!"

After 10 minutes of searching I see a oddly coloured blue model in the top of a guys backpack (he left it open and beside my case - dolt) that looks oddly like the colour scheme on my morathi so I put my hand in to make sure. The boy grabbed my wrist twist it and called me a theif, and explained I be thrown out.

Which sure, that's what It looked like I was doing, but I explained to staff what I was doing. So the staff member picks up the bag and low an behold there is my morathi.

I raged hard, and hit the guy. He got a life ban and I was asked to finish my game and was banned for a week. (forfeiting my place in the tournament)

FeistierErmine wrote:Is it taking another person's property? Well property puts the P in IP. So, yes, any sort of information created by a person is the creator's property in the eyes of the law.

Taking issue with what you've got here, champ. You're not taking their property. You're illegally making a copy of it. Not the same thing.

I am not rich or poor and i have never stolen something, im a teen.

I apologize here for what I said, and I changed my post so no more people will feel bad about it

About several months ago my local GW got a new manager (who transferred from Vancouver Island) and it was his first day. So the old manager who is getting transferred is telling him how to run the store, when suddenly one of the regulars comes and pulls out his new empire army (over 2000 points). When the new manager sees this he is shock as if he has seen a ghost. The army looks exactly like one of his friends army which the manager help build.

The manager approaches the kid and ask him if he can see a specific model. The young regular agrees and allows him to look at the model. The manager recognizes the model, since he had done conversion work on it. He then goes to the old manager and ask him "How long as he had that army for?" The manager tells him he has never seen the kid play, build or pay for any of those models. He also informs him that it is impossible for the kid to have painted those models that well since he is color blind and all his other models look terrible.

The new manager tells the staff about how his friend army that he help build disappeared when he had stored it in a locker. Eventually they ask the kids parents where they got the army from. They said a friend was cleaning a locker when he found his old army and gave it to the kid for free. The manager called the cops but they police decided not to do anything.

2000pt of free stuff is ridiculously lucky...

Well if that story holds true then the boy isn't to blame but the 'friend' since they originally stole it.

Technically, if you've downloaded a codex without paying for it but you would never buy it and would rather take notes against your buddies army and everything that army does or just borrow and copy the important bits is it really theft? Or does the law prohibit you borrowing or taking notes? If so I'm sueing my kindergarten teacher for making me share with other children then sueing my professors for making me take notes.

People with mental issues shouldnt be in gamesworkshop playing some games that needs high mental quality.

I disagree. I have 3 mental disorders and do just fine at the game.

Meh, my OCD can get in the way of games, when I try to pretty up unit formations with symmetry, and the templates murder me.

Luco wrote:Technically, if you've downloaded a codex without paying for it but you would never buy it and would rather take notes against your buddies army and everything that army does or just borrow and copy the important bits is it really theft?

Yes it would be considered illegal seeing how it is copyrighted, and your attempt at trying to justify it makes little to no sense.

Im in the group that took some toy when he was 5 or 6, got spanked by my dad, then marched back into the store to hand it back to the manager and apologize. The whole process took about 5 minutes because i was crying so hard from getting in trouble i couldnt form words. My dad and the manager just sat there until i composed myself, muffled an im sorry i took it. Then i got home and was grounded for a week.

Most traumatic thing ever, i never stole again.

I've stolen a bunch of stuff, mostly toys or hockey-cards and the like. Back then I didn't understand the moral, and my parents never really told me it was wrong.

Nowdays I don't, because I myself have had stuff stolen from me, and seen how people reacts when their stuff are taken, such as my sister's bike.

I've never been caught though, I doubt anyone's mourning the loss of some hockey-cards they lost some 12 years ago. *shrug* I've never taken anything of any value such as money or expensive things because I had in mind to profit from it, just things I wanted but wouldn't get from my parents.

I don't download codices illegally, I check my friends' codices and look at those in the store, sometimes looking at the internet if there's any details I'm searching for in times when the store is closed and my friends aren't around. Besides I've got most 3'rd ed codices and can find most I need about a team in those, as most weapon characteristics or unit profiles doesn't change a lot between the editions (Except of course the Thousand sons, whom I've got 4 different characteristics for in 4 different GW books/codices xD)

c34r34lk1ll3r wrote: I also steal internet from my friend's neighbors when I'm at his apartment.

i was going to say i have never stole anything ever. (im a good little roman catholic boy and brought up well ) but then this hit me and i was like, oh yeah, ive done that. only cause my aunties flat in vienna didnt have good internet so me and my brother decided to hack into some guys internet connection somewhere in the building. good connection too!

'tis a lesson to you all! put passwords on your router!

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c34r34lk1ll3r wrote: I also steal internet from my friend's neighbors when I'm at his apartment.

i was going to say i have never stole anything ever. (im a good little roman catholic boy and brought up well ) but then this hit me and i was like, oh yeah, ive done that. only cause my aunties flat in vienna didnt have good internet so me and my brother decided to hack into some guys internet connection somewhere in the building. good connection too!

'tis a lesson to you all! put passwords on your router!

On this note, is it stealing if for the first year or so i lived in my apartment i didnt pay for internet..

One of my neighbors didnt restrict access to his wireless so i just piggy backed off his for a long ass time till he moved away! Technically his domain was public and not locked...

Meh, my internet access is locked though I didn't have a password for the first week, and I found out later that I was "borrowing" my neighbor's internet.

Huh... I called a post of Tony's silly.

So he sent me a PM.

I hadn't been on dakka for a while.

So he sent me a message that I should go screw myself, and that he was ignoring me.

Good job Tony!

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Meh, my internet access is locked though I didn't have a password for the first week, and I found out later that I was "borrowing" my neighbor's internet.

Huh... I called a post of Tony's silly.

So he sent me a PM.

I hadn't been on dakka for a while.

So he sent me a message that I should go screw myself, and that he was ignoring me.

Good job Tony!

Sounds about right.

I loved when he was posting outlandish army lists and commenting on how amazing army lists looked in the fantasy forums when he didnt even own a BRB or a codex for any army...

Yeah, that's about enough actually.

Really, this thread lived on longer than it probably should have.

Closed.