Hello!

My name is Emily and I am completely new to Warhammer. I am hoping to play as one of the 40k series but am having trouble deciding between 3. I would appreciate any input on either two below including army lists.


I am now between Witch Hunters, Chaos Space Marines, and Space Marine....Mainly because I'm realizing that CSM don't use much gun power which I prefer along with tanks.
I was orginally looking at 'Iron Warrior' CSP but then saw the 'Angels of Ecstacy' and 'The Flawless Host' in the online CSM Codex...I really like the color scheme of both of those but don't quite understand what I need to start an army of them.
Witch Hunters would be my first choice atm but I am worried about the fact that there is no Codex available on the Games Workshop Website/the Codex needs to be updated.
Just now looking into SM


Thank you

Best to stat for your first time would either be witch hunters or CSM. Whichever you like better.

Witchhunters are cool, more expensive to collect as they are mostly metal models, but several very cool looking units and they do decently.

CSM is classic, cool models, mostly plastic so not as expensive, but regarded as lagging in strength compared to newer codexes.

My personal favorite of the three is Daemonhunters, I love the GK's and Inquisition. Very cool models, very expensive again due to almost all metal models. Very expensive point-wise as well, armies will be much smaller in terms of how many units you can field.

Painting will be easiest on the CSM. Both DH and WH have distinctive color schemes, and very detailed models if you look to make your own scheme, though with time and patience, they look better than most other models.

Well, Daemonhunters and Witchhunters can both be taken as allied units in a Space Marine/IG army, if you want to have your cake and eat it too. (You need 1 HQ of parent list [SM/IG] and 2 troops, then you can take 1 HQ, 1 Elite, 2 Troops, 1 Fast Attack from the allied books)

That's my best suggestion to you. IG are typically used as the subordinate list because they complement the other two very well. Sisters can be used to provide a mob of power armor saves, GK can be used to reliably hold points (good save, good resilience against charges, etc) and IG can do everything else.

Otherwise, go with Eldar. They're much more difficult to learn, simply because their attack plan is not just "sit and shoot" but not all your games will be the same thing.

Eldar are imho WAY too hard to learn without some help from a vet, but are an awesome army to play against when someone knows what they're doing.

Chaos is a bit lame imho most people end up building an impossible to beat lash or plague list (alright not impossible, but hard) and that gets real tiresome, but the people who play it for fun, they usually have some really nice models so if you like that aspect of the hobby, play chaos.

Idk about witch hunters and demonhunters so

Thank you everyone for all of you opinions/posts...it has helped a lot!

Xyrael -> I was considering doing the combo at first but read that with the cost of Daemonhunters the Witch Hunters wouldn't have much 'Faith' to upgarde the army...is there a certain army list that you know of that would help with this problem.

Eldar aren't so bad to learn, and they have a lot of different ways to play, but you really do have to be smart with them. They're a glass cannon for sure.

I say go with witch hunters, the 2 inquisition armies are imo the classiest armies you can play. The models for both look amazing, and of the two WH is probably the stronger. The downside of course is that they cost more than a standard army and have their own complexities (faith being the big one).

You could also always just buy the Assault on Black Reach starter. Gives a good 400-500 points of orks and marines to start you off and see what the game's about, and then proxy the models as another army until you figure out which way you want to go.

Anavrin wrote:Eldar aren't so bad to learn, and they have a lot of different ways to play, but you really do have to be smart with them. They're a glass cannon for sure.

I say go with witch hunters, the 2 inquisition armies are imo the classiest armies you can play. The models for both look amazing, and of the two WH is probably the stronger. The downside of course is that they cost more than a standard army and have their own complexities (faith being the big one).

You could also always just buy the Assault on Black Reach starter. Gives a good 400-500 points of orks and marines to start you off and see what the game's about, and then proxy the models as another army until you figure out which way you want to go.

I looked into the Witch Hunters after the positive feed back on here and see no Codex on the Games Work Shop website...Is that a problem?

Witchhunters can take Daemonhunters as allies, and vice versa (p 25 of WH Codex, don't know the DH one), if you want to skip out on the Guard. Problem is, only Adepta Sororitas can use Acts of Faith, don't expect them to bolster your GK/IG/SM.

The plus to using IG as the parent list for either DH/WH; you can use Psyker Battle Squads, Leman Russ Squadrons, and Vendetta Gunships; all the juicy parts of the IG that shine, alongside the troops; the units that really shine in the WH/DH codex's. As a side note I wanted to toy with, what would happen if you combined a Psyker Battlesquads leadership killer with the WH Inquisitor Lords Purgatus, to permanently reduce tough units from Ld10 to Ld7. Would it work..?

emielizabeth wrote:I looked into the Witch Hunters after the positive feed back on here and see no Codex on the Games Work Shop website...Is that a problem?

Hmm... after a quick trip to the GW site, the result is I have no idea.

Found the codex listed on the main WH page, can add it to cart, but it's not listed under the codex entry and has no picture which is odd. Perhaps someone else who's more up to date on the status of the space nuns can help?

Eldar would be the most viable choice at this time. The rumor mill pretty heavily supports Witch Hunters, Deamon Hunters, or some combination thereof as the next codex release. This means that models you buy for those armies now might be come invalidated pretty soon, and that since most of the models for these armies are expensive metals, cheaper plastic versions might be coming out soon.

Rumours of Plastic Sisters of Battle were plentiful even when the Witchhunters Codex came out, and yet they got nothing of the sort. I don't envision GW coming out with plastic Sisters when an cumulative Codex which puts Sisters in an even lesser role is released.

Just want to inform that money is not an issue, I know metal is more expensive but I can afford it..
So please don't base opinions on price.

Thanks again for the continued input, it's much appreciated

Well, based on aesthetics AND fluff (background for each army) I'd say these are my opinions on each:

If you simply want to paint, and aren't in the mood to learn how to use green stuff for modelling (I myself found it to be a pain in the ass but other people like it) then go for Witch Hunters and Daemonhunters, their models are some of the most detailed, elaborate, and sexiest when fully painted. Of all the armies, a DH/WH army list that's painted properly will always win the moral victory of "I paint better than you"

If you want conversion, that is, building your own models from pieces and green stuff, envisioning things and making them happen, then Chaos are the ones for you. There are a number of Chaos ideas you can use, so let me share my own idea:
A few of the Imperium's finest Space Marines found themselves stranded in the warp. They chanced upon a drifting soul that burns bright like a star but for some reason keeps all the evil of Chaos at bay. This soul happened to be the Star Child (or perhaps a Chaos God, most likely Tzeentch, convinced them it was the Star Child to more easily convert them) The Star Child is the Emperor's soul in the warp. Believing that this being would become a fifth Chaos God, but also a Good God, if relieved of his mortal shell, they turn on the Imperium on a quest to destroy the Emperor's Golden Throne and create a Heaven in Chaos that would safeguard all of humanity while destroying the Chaos Gods. This is my personal favorite, you can maintain the righteous look of the Imperium, and even overdo it, turning Raptors into Angels (modelwise), using some of the special "Legion" Marines, but customize the models a bit, and turn the Daemon Prince into the finest of the Emperor's hero's, make him look like a Primarch (if you've read any of the books) or even a super angel, a 6 winged Seraphim etc. This was my own idea, but since I don't envision playing SM anytime in the near future I'll share it in the faint hope perhaps you'll use it. You'd use CSM rules, though, not SM/DH/WH. Just an idea. Chaos can be anything, which really makes modelling for them fun.

If you follow Eldar fluff strictly, then you have very little in the way of painting, as all aspects are *technically* supposed to have a specific color scheme. That's just fluff, a lot of people ignore it and paint their aspect warriors in the colors of the Craftworld they are using, and not the color of the aspects. Eldar, aside from Chaos, are probably the most colorful of all the armies. I think only Tzeentch beats them out on sheer amounts of colors used, and that's if you're not using silly space clown Harlequins.

Thanks for your help everyone!
I lowered it to CSM and Eldar...
But in the end CSM won due to the fact that I'm a beginner and Eldar sounded too difficult to start out with...Maybe it will be a future army once I learn more about Warhammer!

-Emily

HERETIC! I GIVE THEE 1 LAST CHANCE TO SIDE WITH THE IMPERIUM OR PERISH! But srsly its great to see another person joining the hobby! Have fun with the traitor marines!

Old One Eye wrote:HERETIC! I GIVE THEE 1 LAST CHANCE TO SIDE WITH THE IMPERIUM OR PERISH!

I knew a cleric of the Imperium that sounded like this.

He was eaton by nurglings.

lol
That's cute

I'll consider it though......just because I'm having difficulty with a CSM army list and I've been told Space Marines are easiest...but don't want to give up on CSM too easily!

Stick with CSM! Of course having sold my soul to the warp long ago, Im a little biased! Loyalty to the chaos gods is always rewarding.

Of course, that reward may be 'turning into a spawn', but its more than the emperor will give you!

Check out the article written on CNC about choosing an army. They also have a few other articles that are good for new players. The article is here Capture and Control: New Player 101

Looking at 'Iron Warriors' now

ahh, good old Iron warriors brings back memories. I recommend reading "storm of iron" as it's a great book about them.

They also sell Iron warrior conversion packs if you want them to look the part.

May the Dark Gods smile upon you!

Chaoslordx13 wrote:ahh, good old Iron warriors brings back memories. I recommend reading "storm of iron" as it's a great book about them.

They also sell Iron warrior conversion packs if you want them to look the part.

May the Dark Gods smile upon you!

I'll look into that book, thank you for the tip

Firstly, let me say that Storm of Iron is a commsumate read: it was my first true taste of the sons of Perturabo and chaos in general, and though I eventually ended up collecting Thousand sons it started my severe attraction towards Iron warriors.

Now onto tactics: Chaos marines in general operate much like their loyal bretheren, but sacrifice some of their flexibility for an extra edge of brutality. Whilst they cannot feild great hordes of warriors (their cheapest model is 13 points), raw strength and resilience can help see them through any fight. Whilst many people dislike the current chaos space marine codex, and will tell you that it is bland and sub-par in many respects, only having a few 'competative' army list's, nothing could be further from the truth-it is a powerful and deadly army that can utterly crush any opposition if played well.
The Iron warriors as mentioned previously in this thread cannot feild the great heavy support batteries of the previous codex, but will still win most of their battles through shooting-'pie plates' or weapons that fire large templates capable of damaging many enemy troops at a time are a particular trend. They most often take the mark of chaos glry (sometimes reffered to as the mark of chaos undivided) in squads, showering their veneration of all the gods as well as providing a useful in game benefitThe most common tactic used is to take large squads of chaos space marines armed with heavy weapons, supported by tanks such as predators, vindicators, defilers and the fearsome land raiders, and line them up so that they can shoot down most enemies coming their way, before hacking down the few survivors in assault. It is by no means the only way to play Iron warriors though-many of the seige-masters of Olympia have fallen to the worship of the chaos powers wholly, and have become raving Berserkers of Khorne for instance. Likewise, although they are not famous for it it is not impossible that a force of Iron warriors summons many daemons to aid them in battle, and their ranks are rife with mutation and sorcery. The enticing thing about a chaos army is that it can be played in any way you desire, and no one strategy is any less valid than another-ultimately, it just comes down to your skills as a general, the whim of the gods, and a little bit of luck.

If you have any further questions, feel free to PM me and I will try to help you the best I can.

I absolutely fething hate Storm of Iron. It's Mary Sueism at its worst. It's as bad as Twilight for that matter.

My apologies-I should have stated that I belive that Storm of Iron is a good read. Obviously we do not all share the same belief's.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:My apologies-I should have stated that I belive that Storm of Iron is a good read. Obviously we do not all share the same belief's.

I'll allow it It was written with another era of fluff in mind though.

It doesn't help that people hold it up as an example of that "THERE'S A FEMALE MARINE IN THERE!!!!1111!!" crap.

However, it's also worth saying here and now:
Iron Warriors do not embrace the Chaos Powers. They go out of their way to avoid anything that would shackle them to the Chaos Powers.

Kanluwen wrote:However, it's also worth saying here and now:
Iron Warriors do not embrace the Chaos Powers. They go out of their way to avoid anything that would shackle them to the Chaos Powers.

Really? I was under the impression that only the Alpha legion and Night Lords did not like chaos to that extent. Obviously they're no Word Bearers, but I believed that the IW at least tolerated chaos to some degree.

Again, apologies on my lack of background knowledge.

Iron Warriors stay as far away as possible. They employ Cult Troops from the other Legions/Warbands--but the most corrupted I can think of for the Iron Warriors is the fact that they bind Daemons into cybernetic bodies.

Kanluwen wrote:Iron Warriors stay as far away as possible. They employ Cult Troops from the other Legions/Warbands

Correct me if once again I have failed, but don't some Iron warriors fall too far down the path of battle and become devoted to Khorne? I think I remember reading that somewhere.

Kanulwen wrote:but the most corrupted I can think of for the Iron Warriors is the fact that they bind Daemons into cybernetic bodies.

That would be an interesting idea for a unit of possessed.

I would go CSM more common on the starter side of things.

My answer for everything...Orks.

I say good for you for choosing CSM. I love them to be honest. I had a good army going until my cat knocked every single model off the table and the dogs chewed them all to peices. a good 40+ CSM models...since then I havnt bothered collecting them more, but they are an awesome force, good models, and fluff wise are pretty intense, especialy if you get into a specific traitor legion, like you are with Iron Warriors. Personally I've always liked Word Bearers. Color scheme is well done, plus if you've ever played Dawn of war:dark crusade, it gives alot of character to them!

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Iron Warriors stay as far away as possible. They employ Cult Troops from the other Legions/Warbands

Correct me if once again I have failed, but don't some Iron warriors fall too far down the path of battle and become devoted to Khorne? I think I remember reading that somewhere.

Ehhhh. That's one of those things that's kind of vague.
I'm sure there are some Iron Warriors who revel in aspects of what Khorne gives them, but I'm sure there's the same for some who feel kinship to Nurgle, Tzeentch, and Slaanesh.
But once they start down the path of becoming Cultist Troops--they've generally severed their ties with their own Legion and fallen in with a warband or formed their own with like minded individuals.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:

Kanulwen wrote:but the most corrupted I can think of for the Iron Warriors is the fact that they bind Daemons into cybernetic bodies.

That would be an interesting idea for a unit of possessed.

Indeed.

Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Correct me if once again I have failed, but don't some Iron warriors fall too far down the path of battle and become devoted to Khorne? I think I remember reading that somewhere.

Yeah, they discuss that in Storm of Iron. One of the main Iron Warriors leads a mob of bezerkers.

I think I've read somewhere too that Iron Warriors generally dislikes the Chaos Gods' will to have power over them, but that some becomes corrupted, and that Khorne was the most frequently.. corrupted-into/by. *nodnod*

Then again, I mostly read about the Night Lords, as I like how they look.

Oh wait, I've got the old codices right here... Third and fourth. I'll check it out.

Edit: 3rd edition didn't say much.. Although I fun a picture of a very old daemonette which made me laugh.

4th ed, though, states in the Iron Warriors' page that they cannot have other Daemons than Princes and Possessed ones, which is a pretty strong hint towards their disliking of Daemons. Then there was something about cybernetic bodies or whatever you spoke of.

emielizabeth wrote:Hello!

Hiya!

If you're starting, start small. Play small, small games (250, 400, 500 pts) to get the feel of the game.

Of the armies you list, Eldar and CSM are current books, so you have low risk of needing to "redo" stuff anytime soon. Both are fairly elite armies, so small armies are more common. Both have great painting potential. My [WWW] button has some examples of painted Eldar, among other things. See Cool Mini Or Not for more examples.

If you really like DH / WH, then you should wait a bit to see if/when they get redone. Personally, I'd avoid both of them right now.

Otherwise you could just spam a huuuge bunch of Eldar warriors that are like.. very cheap. But... You'll get a ton of casualties, and I doubt you'd win with that!

Chaos is pretty flexible in terms of how you want to paint and model them. They don't have to be uniform and each model can be modeled/styled differently as long as it matches the army colour scheme. People who really like conversions often play chaos. You can also paint them as detailed or as simple as you want (Iron Warriors have a pretty easy to paint colour scheme).

In terms of what to buy, I would start off with just one box of chaos marines. Assemble, paint and play a few small skirmish game with them (using simplified rules if you want). Buy more stuff to suit an army list you want after that. Iron Warriors tend to have alot of tanks/defilers, obliterators and heavy firepower. Basically try to squeeze in as much marines with special weapons in rhinos and heavy support/heavy weapons as possible into the army list.

A lot of pro painters like tank armies as they treat their tanks as a canvas and paint awesome freehand images on them.

Sorry if this makes me sound dumb but...

If there's no Codex for 'Iron Warriors' how would I play them/get their specs?
If I got a box of CSM and converted them into 'Iron Warriors' would I still abide by the CSM specs?

Also....I REALLY like the colors of the 'Angels of Ecstacy' and 'The Flawless Host' as seen in the Codex but don't understand how I would start an army with them especially since there isn't any fluff I've seen about them....?

In regards to any of the Chaos legions/factions, you would use the CSM book. If you feel that a particular army you want to build is better represented by a SM book then your free to use that as long as all the war gear is accounted for (AKA WYSISYG).

You can try an internet search for flawless host fluff. Some of the 40k wikis might have stuff. Otherwise Flawless host is a Slaanesh warband so it would contain stuff like a slaanesh HQ, daemonettes, and everything painted in purple/pink.

emielizabeth wrote:If there's no Codex for 'Iron Warriors' how would I play them/get their specs?

If I got a box of CSM and converted them into 'Iron Warriors' would I still abide by the CSM specs?

Also....I REALLY like the colors of the 'Angels of Ecstacy' and 'The Flawless Host' as seen in the Codex but don't understand how I would start an army with them especially since there isn't any fluff I've seen about them....?

Iron Warriors are just regular CSM with:
- at least 1 unit Obliterators (Fluff)
- at least 1 unit Vindicator ("siege" Fluff)
- no Marks except basic Mark of Chaos
- no Cult Marines
- silver armor with yellow & black "hazard stripe" trims
Roughly following the guidelines above, you do whatever you like. Chaos isn't a straitjacket.

Yup.

AoE could be anything you want, but should probably include at least some MoS units. FH should be unmarked / MoS due to the EC link, but you have freedom here, too.

That was in the 4th ed rules, I can't find anything in the 5th ed Chaos codex saying Iron Warriors may use Vindicators or several Obliterators.

@Riffzor: the fluff is mutable. They're still siegemasters (hence Vindicators, which they'd steal or make) and Oblit fluff says there's an affinity. Don't sweat it.

I think I'd go by the 4th ed Codex if I was to make an Iron Warrior force.

I just noticed, however, that Chaos actually has Vindicators and have removed the 0-1 rule on Obliderators in 5th ed. Though they don't get any of their flashy rules or wargears as they do in 4th ed.

Good luck at getting people to play you with the extra Heavy trading for a worthless Fast, along with Obits as Elite...

emielizabeth wrote:Hello!

My name is Emily and I am completely new to Warhammer. I am hoping to play as one of the 40k series but am having trouble deciding between 3. I would appreciate any input on which one might be easiest to start off with (since I've never played any sort of miniatures game), along with any possible army lists.

I am between Daemonhunters; Witch Hunters; and Eldar...I'm also kind of considering Chaos Space Marines...
I am also looking into the squad sizes and painting difficulty of the above....

Thank you

I suggest Sisters of Battle (witch hunters) with allied in Grey Knights (daemonhunters).

You can have the best of both worlds there.

As far as 40k goes, sisters of battle are the most awesome looking to me. that and blood angels sanguinary guard.

eldar are kind of pretty in their own way.

I would choose Witch Hunters as my first choice...just worried about the Codex situation...(ie there is no longer one available on the Games Workshop website) and it's pretty dated

Witch Hunters are kinda weak, but Sisters are, and have always been, rather strong. My W/L ratio is roughly 1.5:1 with my Sisters, though admittedly I don't play tournaments (the rules lawyers piss me off).

As for the codex, rumors are that it'll be released as a PDF on the site in month or two. They've already done that on the French and German sites, IIRC.

emielizabeth wrote:I would choose Witch Hunters as my first choice...just worried about the Codex situation...

Good pick, just not right now.

But from what I've heard, though, the GK codex is quite probable to be for the entire inquisition. That should come in August I think?

I haven't heard anything about the Sisters, but atleast the GK seems to get plastic models. Otherwise you can find the codex in pdf-format on the internet, I for one almost always checks the Codices' in PDF before deciding to buy them or not.

I reckon it'll be Grey Knights and Inquisition soonish (late this year, early next year?), and Sisters with Frateris Militia later on (mid next year?).

Daemons nuff said

Sisters of Battle have some really awsome stuff, as someone said, they kill evil, with fire!

Go Chaos! Chaos is your Master!

.... What? Last few posts were about going WH, so I figured I would try to spread my heresy.

Nice to see a new player. Just so you know: when GW pulls a codex/ models from their website/catalog that stores order from, it usually means that they are going to be releasing a new codex soon. But I could be wrong.

Oh, don't let anyone say that you're a bad player/painter/ect. because you're a girl. Kick their buts on the table, and if this is impossible, do so later when you have more experience. Remember to stay away from WAAC-ers, and find a forgiving/nice player for your first few games. I noticed in the OP that you mentioned an online codex. I have no doubt that this is legal and that you would never ever use, let alone mention doing something illegal upon a forum where GW sometimes checks up (hint hint). Some gamers frown upon this, but try playing a few proxy games with both armies. Proxying is when you use either other models or small items to represent the units of your army, so that you can get a feel for how they play on the battlefield. But if you prefer the look/color scheme of one, go for it.

Lastly, if you like the look of some models but not the colors, make your own color scheme! It's fun, original, makes your models stand out, and is allowed. In fact, in every codex I have read they say that such acts are okay.

Slarg232 wrote:Go Chaos! Chaos is your Master!

.... What? Last few posts were about going WH, so I figured I would try to spread my heresy.

micahaphone wrote:Nice to see a new player. Just so you know: when GW pulls a codex/ models from their website/catalog that stores order from, it usually means that they are going to be releasing a new codex soon. But I could be wrong.

Oh, don't let anyone say that you're a bad player/painter/ect. because you're a girl. Kick their buts on the table, and if this is impossible, do so later when you have more experience. Remember to stay away from WAAC-ers, and find a forgiving/nice player for your first few games. I noticed in the OP that you mentioned an online codex. I have no doubt that this is legal and that you would never ever use, let alone mention doing something illegal upon a forum where GW sometimes checks up (hint hint). Some gamers frown upon this, but try playing a few proxy games with both armies. Proxying is when you use either other models or small items to represent the units of your army, so that you can get a feel for how they play on the battlefield. But if you prefer the look/color scheme of one, go for it.

Lastly, if you like the look of some models but not the colors, make your own color scheme! It's fun, original, makes your models stand out, and is allowed. In fact, in every codex I have read they say that such acts are okay.

Also, be careful of who you play with. I crush anyone I play with a powered Fist, except my brothers (Whom are who I play most often, sadly enough). I am not quit sure what he is saying with that second paragraph about legal and illegal, but if you have a local gaming store, go there and see if they would be willing to let you play a game and if you could borrow that codex for that particular game.

I jumped into Chaos because I loved the fluff (backstory/mindset, stuff like that) but I didn't really find an army I wanted to play. So I made my own using Tin Bitz and Mythril Silver (I would upload some of them, but my camera is terrible, and it's a topic for another time). Have fun with your colors, and also make sure that you enjoy painting whichever army you choose. I used to play WHFB Orcs, but I just could never bring myself up to paint leather and skin and lost interest in them.

Thank you for the tips guys!

I'm confused on what micahaphone was saying about illegal/legal stuff too....heh. But thank you for the warning if I did read it correctly!
I am trying to figure out what color scheme I want and I like ones on certain factions (mainly the pinks/purples that come from Slaanesh) but still figuring out about 'fluff' to make it work.

If anyone does say something like that to me micahaphone I will not be insulted, I'm good at taking critique and if it's justing aimless, rude ranting I can ignore it

I will be very careful with who I play with Slarg...but once I get into it I am usually pretty competetive too!

Just keep in mind, you can do whatever paint scheme you want with the army in the book. Strictly adhering to what is in there doesn't make for a good hobby.

You like the colors on the Slaanesh armies, but really want to use a ton of Plague Marines? Nobody says you can't paint 'em pink and purple! The only thing the codex does is give you a list and rules to abide by. The "fluff" is loose enough that you can do anything you want. If anyone gives you guff about "blah blah blah, that Legion doesn't exist, I'm an elitist donkey-cave" just laugh in their face and say your army is one of the lost legions, or a renegade chapter.

Basically, the point of my rather long winded post is: get out there, have fun, paint what you think looks good on a ruleset and modelset that you like, and play the game!

I for one, is going to paint my Necron's 'armoury' pieces in Lich Purple, and their faces in Skull White. Atleast I'm gonna try it out and see how it looks, before I paint them all, of course.

But just as Shrike said, and just as I mentioned in the PM, there aren't really any restrictions in your armies paint-schemes, you can paint anything in any colour you want. (I for one saw something that looked like a Monolith vandalised by hippies, pink with flowers on it!)

I'm not sure which army you're leaning towards starting as of now, but if you're going for Iron Warriors, you should keep in mind that their black/yellow hazzard stripes is pretty much what says they're Iron Warriors, of course you may ignore them completely, but it's a visual attribute that screams 'Iron Warriors' if they're stuck on some CSM.

And I paint my models the following:

Dark blue armor
Medium blue cloth
Shining gold trim and iconography
Boltgun Metal (with a dark blue undercoat) weapons

A minor order with a few thousand members in it, the Order of the Sapphire Blade guards a system where a power sword STC rests, and indeed whenever the system can get the resources, the system produces said weaponry. The "Sapphire Blade" comes from said power weapons, which crackle with a light blue power field, along with the most ancient version of it, the blessed weapon wielded by the Canoness-- the Sapphire Blade.

You can do a LOT of customization with minor orders, make your own up and have fun with it.

And daemons? feth, they're random enough that it doesn't entirely matter what you paint them...

Melissia is fluffy, me likes. *nod*

I've been painting on my Necron for some 6 hours or so now... Either I'm going to have to change colours, or stop being such a perfectionist... Although the resoult is nice... But I start to change my mind about the choise of colour. =<

Shrike325 wrote:Just keep in mind, you can do whatever paint scheme you want with the army in the book. Strictly adhering to what is in there doesn't make for a good hobby.

You like the colors on the Slaanesh armies, but really want to use a ton of Plague Marines? Nobody says you can't paint 'em pink and purple! The only thing the codex does is give you a list and rules to abide by. The "fluff" is loose enough that you can do anything you want. If anyone gives you guff about "blah blah blah, that Legion doesn't exist, I'm an elitist donkey-cave" just laugh in their face and say your army is one of the lost legions, or a renegade chapter.

Basically, the point of my rather long winded post is: get out there, have fun, paint what you think looks good on a ruleset and modelset that you like, and play the game!

If nothing else, you could create a bunch of custom Slaanesh units, but use the standard rules for them all.

Say like, Slaanesh Blade Dancers, where the models are slender, four armed, and very Slaaneshi, but use the Berserker Codex Entry for them. Not something I would recommend for your first army, but it's an option.

Melissia wrote:the Order of the Sapphire Blade

The "Sapphire Blade" comes from said power weapons, which crackle with a light blue power field, along with the most ancient version of it, the blessed weapon wielded by the Canoness-- the Sapphire Blade.

FWIW, whenever I see you mention your Sisters, I read that as "the Order of the Sapphic Blade"...

Hah. That would be rather amusing. A blade that turns anyone it cuts into a lipstick lesbian.

*swings it at the Marines, scaring them off lest they becme FSM*

Until the WH book came out with Repentia, Sisters had something of a lipstick lesbian feel, being the most obviously feminine humans in the entire model range.

Lipstick Lesbian...? What's that? It sounds scary. =o

"Lipstick Lesbian" is a term for a lesbian that is very feminine. Contrast it with "butch lesbian" for one whom is... more masculine. Though technically speaking "butch" can apply to straight females, too. Some guys are into that.

Riffzor wrote:Lipstick Lesbian...? What's that?

Ever watch lesbian porn for guys? Those are lipstick lesbians.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Riffzor wrote:Lipstick Lesbian...? What's that?

Ever watch lesbian porn for guys? Those are lipstick lesbians.

I'm a 19 year old guy, what do you think? xD

Alright, now I know what that's called. *ponders for a moment*

Soo... Nice weather today, right? *grin*

I think that a normal 19-year-old guy should know what a lipstick lesbian is without having to ask.

And yeah, it's a nice, sunny day out today.

Back to topic, right now, CSM are a safer choice than Sisters, Sapphic or otherwise.

Safe is boring.

Haha....SOB do look like a bunch of Lesbians. I never found them overly interesting at all. Possibly one of the worst concepts for 40K armies in my opinion. Nuns with an attitude. They should have died off with the squats long ago.

Gorgarak wrote:Haha....SOB do look like a bunch of Lesbians. I never found them overly interesting at all. Possibly one of the worst concepts for 40K armies in my opinion. Nuns with an attitude. They should have died off with the squats long ago.

I think space marines are boring and not interesting. I think they should have died instead of squats.

Gorgarak wrote:
Haha....SOB do look like a bunch of Lesbians. I never found them overly interesting at all. Possibly one of the worst concepts for 40K armies in my opinion. Nuns with an attitude. They should have died off with the squats long ago.

I think space marines are boring and not interesting. I think they should have died instead of squats.

Really? I will admit I think they should have killed off at least a couple marine chapters. There are definatly a few useless ones. Too much SM makes Gorgarak a dull boy. REDRUM.

Melissia wrote:Safe is boring.

Indeed. However, as already been adviced a few times, pick an army that >looks< good, else you'll end up being bored with painting them, leaving them unpainted, and probably even abandoned after a while.

I'd love to field some Ork Speed Freaks but painting Orks is probably one of the worst things there is for me. (I'm bad at skin, and they show quite a lot on their arms and big heads.. and it's green, making me pretty much blind to choose a good shading/highlighting).. Besides I think their helms/headwears are pretty dorky.

What you need when deciding what to play, you need to know the basic strategy stuff (which to most armies are pretty much the same as one another, melee goes into melee, ranged goes into ranged and stays there, skimmers are kept infront of ranged fighters to pull off some fire and such), and to like the looks of your choise.

Once again, however, I'd like to remind you, or anyone else reading this, that you may paint whatever army however you want, in whatever colours you want, in whatever colour-schemes you want, and so on and so on.

Gorgarak wrote:Haha....SOB do look like a bunch of Lesbians. I never found them overly interesting at all. Possibly one of the worst concepts for 40K armies in my opinion. Nuns with an attitude. They should have died off with the squats long ago.

And GK, BA, BT, SW, DA, and CSMs should have, too. Also Dark Eldar. All of them can be melded with their parent list quite nicely.

Sisters, at least, are actually unique, in that they are human soldiers in power armor, as opposed to superhuman drugged up genetically modified psychotic monstrosities.

Don't forget about their faith in the Emperor which allows them to perform miracles in his name, thus making them truly a unique army.

And GK, BA, BT, SW, DA, and CSMs should have, too. Also Dark Eldar. All of them can be melded with their parent list quite nicely.

I agree with all except CSM and Dark eldar. Dark eldar play a huge part of imperium history with their cousins, they add a huge depth to the 40K universe. If not for them, there would be no fall of the eldar, no eye of terror, or slaanesh, no warp storms leaving earths solar system, leaving humans stuck on odd planets to be killed off by Eldar, orks, etc, which means no SM or SOB for that matter. At least fluff wise, they deserve their own codex and list, models, etc.

As for CSM, they are equally integral part of 40K for more than obvious reasons.

But I do agree all the branch off space marine chapters could definatly go. They certainly have gone a little marine crazy.

Lol about all the lesbo stuff

Yes, but they're still Marines. Marines who are angry at their dad and are a little bit too fond of spikes, but Marines nonetheless

The only thing that really made CSMs unique (to me) were Daemons. They hav their own codex now.

Melissia wrote:Yes, but they're still Marines. Marines who are angry at their dad and are a little bit too fond of spikes, but Marines nonetheless

The only thing that really made CSMs unique (to me) were Daemons. They hav their own codex now.

Any chance you thought of a 500pt SoB army >_<

emielizabeth wrote:Thank you for the tips guys!

I'm confused on what micahaphone was saying about illegal/legal stuff too....heh. But thank you for the warning if I did read it correctly!
I am trying to figure out what color scheme I want and I like ones on certain factions (mainly the pinks/purples that come from Slaanesh) but still figuring out about 'fluff' to make it work.

If anyone does say something like that to me micahaphone I will not be insulted, I'm good at taking critique and if it's justing aimless, rude ranting I can ignore it

I will be very careful with who I play with Slarg...but once I get into it I am usually pretty competetive too!

Sorry for being confusing. I was simply stating that in your original post, you mentioned an online codex. I don't know where or how you accessed it, but the majority ( and by that I mean all of them) of GW books online that are NOT upon their website being illegally shared.

Have fun, pick an army based upon the models, because you can always make your own color scheme.

emielizabeth wrote:

Melissia wrote:Yes, but they're still Marines. Marines who are angry at their dad and are a little bit too fond of spikes, but Marines nonetheless

The only thing that really made CSMs unique (to me) were Daemons. They hav their own codex now.

Any chance you thought of a 500pt SoB army >_<

Look in the Army List section. I posted it for you.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/295711.page

Melissia wrote:

emielizabeth wrote:

Melissia wrote:Yes, but they're still Marines. Marines who are angry at their dad and are a little bit too fond of spikes, but Marines nonetheless

The only thing that really made CSMs unique (to me) were Daemons. They hav their own codex now.

Any chance you thought of a 500pt SoB army >_<

Look in the Army List section. I posted it for you.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/295711.page

Oh, OOPS!!

Thank you!! Sorry about that...again...

Melissia wrote:Yes, but they're still Marines. Marines who are angry at their dad and are a little bit too fond of spikes, but Marines nonetheless

The only thing that really made CSMs unique (to me) were Daemons. They hav their own codex now.

You just don't understand, no one understands what their going through!

Craaaaaawling iiiiiin my skiiiiiiin....
(quite literally in the case of Nurglites)

Yes, but they're still Marines. Marines who are angry at their dad and are a little bit too fond of spikes, but Marines nonetheless

The only thing that really made CSMs unique (to me) were Daemons. They hav their own codex now.

I do agree they could have went a bit more individual with them, rather than just throw some spikes on them and call them evil. It does sorta suck that they took daemons away from them. I still support CSM though, for the simple fact of fluff!

I actually like the fact that they took Daemons and made them their own codex. Daemons always were very interesting... a unique phenomenon in 40k.

I'm kinda hopeing that since they have gotten rid of the Daemons, they will add in Cultists. Cheap units meant to do little else but be cannon fodder for the dark gods. And lets face it, anyone stupid enough to ally themselves with the Chaos Space Marines deserve to die in the most painful death imaginable.

Hello...

Just wanted to give a quick update as to what's going through my mind...

-SoB need the 3rd edition Codex to "really work" (as stated by a very educated person of SoB); so I'm thinking I may be better off with an army with a newer Codex as my first one...I also don't know how much I enjoy the 'faith' aspect of SoB.

-Still haven't really looked into SM yet...I like that they're good with guns, tanks, and look pretty cool but dislike the fact that they're extremely common (yes, I know it's for a reason)

-CSM still into how they look but want female models >:\ Also the 'fluff' about the different factions is soooo confusing to me...

New question!
Say I made an army of CSM and for the 'Fast Attack' chose the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors'...might I be able to use the 'Sisters of Battle Seraphim Squad' (and of course try to file/cut any holy/relic stuff on the Sisters first) as a replacement but still use the specs of the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors'?


Thank you again EVERYONE who has put input into this and my other forums and I especially thank those who have helped with my questions in PM's!

I don't think that'll work for the simple fact of no women space marines for fluff reasons. You could try traitor guard or something like that but it'll be a tough sell for saying oh my chaos space marines from the founding have girls. :O

emielizabeth wrote:Hello...

Just wanted to give a quick update as to what's going through my mind...

-SoB need the 3rd edition Codex to "really work" (as stated by a very educated person of SoB); so I'm thinking I may be better off with an army with a newer Codex as my first one...I also don't know how much I enjoy the 'faith' aspect of SoB.

-Still haven't really looked into SM yet...I like that they're good with guns, tanks, and look pretty cool but dislike the fact that they're extremely common (yes, I know it's for a reason)

-CSM still into how they look but want female models >:\ Also the 'fluff' about the different factions is soooo confusing to me...

New question!
Say I made an army of CSM and for the 'Fast Attack' chose the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors'...might I be able to use the 'Sisters of Battle Seraphim Squad' (and of course try to file/cut any holy/relic stuff on the Sisters first) as a replacement but still use the specs of the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors'?


Thank you again EVERYONE who has put input into this and my other forums and I especially thank those who have helped with my questions in PM's!

Well Emily, CSM doesn't have any rules allowing them to use Fast Attack as Troop Choises in general, however a faction that fluffynessyness-wise uses Fast attack a lot (And in the old edition could have as many Raptors as they'd like whilst all others had 0-1) are the Night Lords. I like them because of their cool colour scheme and their bat wings (I'm a huge vampire fan, and will slay any Twilight, Vampire Diaries or the like fans on spot if they refer to those... those... things as vampires!). But then again, Night Lords are pretty much made out of criminals, rapists and murderers, and even though there indeed are female murderers and criminals (although I still don't understand how a woman would commit rape o.O) I'm not sure the... the... Wait.

*conjures an immage of SoB Seraphim's in Night Lord colour Scheme* ... Female vampire-reminding-like fast-attackers... Awsomenessyness.

You'd still need two troops and a HQ though before using any Fast attacks. Although I think that even the normal troopers would look awsome as Female Night Lords...

Although if you don't mind the fluff and just want female chaos fast-attackers, I'm sure any colour scheme you'd pick would look awsome, Night Lords is just a preference of my own.

Shatter.proof wrote:I don't think that'll work for the simple fact of no women space marines for fluff reasons. You could try traitor guard or something like that but it'll be a tough sell for saying oh my chaos space marines from the founding have girls. :O

Could I make up some type of fluff about the Daemonettes of Slaanesh somehow allowing for females in my CSM army? I'm trying to do a Slaanesh CSM army; that's why I chose Slaanesh...because I thought, according to previous fluff, it would be the most acceptable for females to be in it.

emielizabeth wrote:

Shatter.proof wrote:I don't think that'll work for the simple fact of no women space marines for fluff reasons. You could try traitor guard or something like that but it'll be a tough sell for saying oh my chaos space marines from the founding have girls. :O

Could I make up some type of fluff about the Daemonettes of Slaanesh somehow allowing for females in my CSM army? I'm trying to do a Slaanesh CSM army; that's why I chose Slaanesh...because I thought, according to previous fluff, it would be the most acceptable for females to be in it.

Well, Slaanesh, The Emperor's Children, were normal marines, I don't think they'd have any females. The females in the Slaanesh are the Demonettes, whom are Daemons... Not marines. About that, does Daemons have any specific gender? And if so, what gender is Slaanesh him/herself? When I read about him/her in the.. Eldar Codex I think it was, I think I bumped over both he, she and it o.O

Riffzor wrote:

emielizabeth wrote:

Shatter.proof wrote:I don't think that'll work for the simple fact of no women space marines for fluff reasons. You could try traitor guard or something like that but it'll be a tough sell for saying oh my chaos space marines from the founding have girls. :O

Could I make up some type of fluff about the Daemonettes of Slaanesh somehow allowing for females in my CSM army? I'm trying to do a Slaanesh CSM army; that's why I chose Slaanesh...because I thought, according to previous fluff, it would be the most acceptable for females to be in it.

Well, Slaanesh, The Emperor's Children, were normal marines, I don't think they'd have any females. The females in the Slaanesh are the Demonettes, whom are Daemons... Not marines. About that, does Daemons have any specific gender? And if so, what gender is Slaanesh him/herself? When I read about him/her in the.. Eldar Codex I think it was, I think I bumped over both he, she and it o.O

o.O is right...well I'll try to see if I can get any more info on this...I want girls in CSM somehow >:\

...preferably that aren't scary looking (in a daemonish way) and don't have their nips poking out...lol

Well, I'd say it's up to you. However, remember that converting models at such degree to change their genders isn't the easiest thing to do.

I don't think your friends you're playing with would mind if you'd use SoB models painted as Chaos to represent Chaos Marines, however I doubt you'd be able to play with them at your local Game Store or in tournaments.

Another army that extensively uses Females, however, are the Dark Eldar (Or even Eldar if you get Howling Banshees, though they're elites)

You could make a Wych army.. Still digging in that matter on another topic though, apparently I've got a very, very old DE codex that doesn't even have those rules in it >.<

To be pretty blunt here.

Your thoughts / ideas > fluff.

When it comes to making an army you want something you like.
I dont see how fluff should stop you from running with an idea you want, simply because it doesent mention it anywhere.
Its nice to see unique armies rather than standard out of the box models.

Imo SM are the easiest to begin with. You can play however you like, you can shoot them, get up in their face and beat them down, or even field a bunch of tanks and just go with the flow. From there you could see what you liked to do, and pick a chapter of the SM(a sub-army within the army its self).

To be pretty blunt here.

Your thoughts / ideas > fluff.

When it comes to making an army you want something you like.
I dont see how fluff should stop you from running with an idea you want, simply because it doesent mention it anywhere.
Its nice to see unique armies rather than standard out of the box models.

This is the only advice you should follow. It doesn't matter what people think is cool, not cool, undoable, etc. If you wanna convert SOB to CSM then rock it hard, and give it your best! i've never heard of it before, and who's to say that there wasnt a SoB group that didn't convert to chaos? Make it your own, you'll do great.

Riffzor wrote:Well, I'd say it's up to you. However, remember that converting models at such degree to change their genders isn't the easiest thing to do.

I don't think your friends you're playing with would mind if you'd use SoB models painted as Chaos to represent Chaos Marines, however I doubt you'd be able to play with them at your local Game Store or in tournaments.

Another army that extensively uses Females, however, are the Dark Eldar (Or even Eldar if you get Howling Banshees, though they're elites)

You could make a Wych army.. Still digging in that matter on another topic though, apparently I've got a very, very old DE codex that doesn't even have those rules in it >.<

I don't mean having a whole CSM army of converted SoB; just replacing the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors' with the 'Chaos Space Marine Raptors'

You mean Seraphims, right? =P

I think it sounds like a nice idea, would make your CSM army kinda unique. Go for it =)

Riffzor wrote:You mean Seraphims, right? =P

I think it sounds like a nice idea, would make your CSM army kinda unique. Go for it =)

Yes I did =P

and thanks for the support! =D

OK, from a technical POV, as-is Seraphim won't work as Raptors.

If converted nicely, then, yes, Seraphim would be fine, particularly if if not Khorne / Nurgle.

Of course, converted well makes pretty much anything possible.

Buy the World Eaters' shoulder pads, paint them brass and red and put the stickers on their clear shoulders and they're good as Khorne.

Take some green stuff, give them a belly and uggly, bloated faces, use a hobby knife to scratch their armour, paint them in sickly green colours and Bam! Nurgle Female Raptors! *nod*

Pfft, just make the Female SMs to toy with the silly minds of Marine fanboys. It'll help you tell which ones are going to be unpleasant to be around. The ones that are worth playing with usually don't care either way.

Melissia! *pokes Melissia with a stick and points to the zoo-like sign* 'Do not encourage new Wargamgers to play Space Marines, Danger!'

I'm not. But they already were talking bout playing female Space Marines. So if they're gonna do it, the least they could do is troll Marine players.

Female >Chaos< space marines. *nodnod*

Go ahead and follow your ideas. Just PLEASE do one thing. Using sob s for csm sounds cool. But most people who use green stuff to make female marine (i've only seen loyalist female marines) usually overdo it w/ thin waist, large rack, ect. Now in my mind, a female in power armor + helmet would look pretty much the exact same as a regular marine. I haven't read much fluff, but I don't think that power armor is very form-fitting. Otherwise, sounds good. Take a look at this guy's site

http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/

While they are loyalist marines, he has some females mixed in there, as seen here.

http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/galleryHQ.html

I personally believe that using female heads made w/ green stuff or from sob is the best way to make female marines.

Oh, if you ever want to fight w/ a fluffmeister, use some of these points.
http://www.fightingtigersofveda.com/roarsgirls.html


have fun, you traitor to the emperor, you!

Hello!
Pretty much decided on my army list (not complete) today...

I was wondering if you could use models from other games/series as replacements for squads (once conversions are complete)

(ie I was thinking of replacing one CSM squad with a SoB squad)

In other words...would I be able to use the below...
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1110235&rootCatGameStyle=

In my CSM army if they replaced a similar looking squad (and had conversions)?

Should be able to, as long as you let your opponent know what they are.

Slarg232 wrote:Should be able to, as long as you let your opponent know what they are.

Cool! Thank you

Be careful! Those are Inquisitor scale models, and are HUGE compared to 40k scale.

NoShoes wrote:Be careful! Those are Inquisitor scale models, and are HUGE compared to 40k scale.

They are? Never looked at 'em before...

I like that model, but if she's larger than normal... Perhaps you could use that as your sorcerer with some conversation? I mean look at the Daemon Princes, they're huge! She's just a little taller than normal... So far.

Riffzor wrote:

NoShoes wrote:Be careful! Those are Inquisitor scale models, and are HUGE compared to 40k scale.

They are? Never looked at 'em before...

I like that model, but if she's larger than normal... Perhaps you could use that as your sorcerer with some conversation? I mean look at the Daemon Princes, they're huge! She's just a little taller than normal... So far.

It's not just a bit taller, it's 54mm scale. To illustrate, here's a picture, inquisitor to normal scale from left to right.

NoShoes wrote:Be careful! Those are Inquisitor scale models, and are HUGE compared to 40k scale.

These models are death cult assassins, which are the same type as the Severina and Sevora Inquisitor figures, but in the scale you need: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?catId=cat30047&prodId=prod1670014

And I second(or third or fourth) the idea of using sisters of battle as chaos space marines should you choose, especially as you're doing a Slaanesh army(and sisters wear power armor). Converting them can be a little difficult as they're all-metal models, but you should be able to file off Imperial symbols and glue on chaos iconography in their place. The most important thing is to make sure that the models in your squad are actually carrying the weapons you want them equipped with - WYSIWYG(what you see is what you get) is important for the game, so your opponent can look at a squad/unit and know what's he or she is facing. But that certainly doesn't mean that you can't be otherwise creative in converting your army...there are many fantastically converted models and armies out there; it's part of the fun of the hobby.

Woah, those Inquisitor models are... HUGE. =o *begins to consider making a 'Chaos Space Giants' team*

Lol, I remember someone using an Inquisitor scale model and trying to pass it off as a counts as dreadnaught... didn't really work, but was an amusing attempt.

Are there Inquisitor-scale Land Riders? Or Baneblades? ... Or Tau Manta's?

unfortunately, no, however, I recall that somebody made an inquisitor scale chimera which won one of the golden demons. It was quite impressive, it was larger than a baneblade, and had converted 54mm guardsmen to go with it.

Cool, I'd like to see that =o

I think Chimeras are nice-looking vehicles.

Riffzor wrote:Cool, I'd like to see that =o

I think Chimeras are nice-looking vehicles.

you can see more of this guy's work here
http://www.coolminiornot.com/artist/shinjikun1

Well, one can't really see the size on the pictures since there's nothing to compare with xD But that's one nicely made model!

Riffzor wrote:Well, one can't really see the size on the pictures since there's nothing to compare with xD But that's one nicely made model!

Found this on his profile, it's pretty big.

Woah.. Tank Shock Time!

Hi Emily

In response to using SOB models for a CSM army, your pefectly allowed to do so, as long as their appearance is chaotic enough so to speak. Also the wargear must match the CSM rules (for example a SOB converted CSM squad would probably be equiped with 2 melta guns/flamers and a power fist/sword champion).

In terms of fluff, it is perfectly ok as there is no reason why some SOBs wouldn't turn to chaos and ally themselves with a chaos warband/chapter. I've seen a few CSM army lists that use SOB allied to Khorne or Slaanesh (with their rules represented by generic CSM troop rules)

Riffzor wrote:Are there Inquisitor-scale Land Riders? Or Baneblades? ... Or Tau Manta's?

There's at least one Inq-scale Rhino and Dread - I've seen the pics.

candy.man wrote:Hi Emily

In response to using SOB models for a CSM army, your pefectly allowed to do so, as long as their appearance is chaotic enough so to speak. Also the wargear must match the CSM rules (for example a SOB converted CSM squad would probably be equiped with 2 melta guns/flamers and a power fist/sword champion).

In terms of fluff, it is perfectly ok as there is no reason why some SOBs wouldn't turn to chaos and ally themselves with a chaos warband/chapter. I've seen a few CSM army lists that use SOB allied to Khorne or Slaanesh (with their rules represented by generic CSM troop rules)

Thank you for doing a complete conformation! I was still worried until I saw this post of yours

emielizabeth wrote:

candy.man wrote:Hi Emily

In response to using SOB models for a CSM army, your pefectly allowed to do so, as long as their appearance is chaotic enough so to speak. Also the wargear must match the CSM rules (for example a SOB converted CSM squad would probably be equiped with 2 melta guns/flamers and a power fist/sword champion).

In terms of fluff, it is perfectly ok as there is no reason why some SOBs wouldn't turn to chaos and ally themselves with a chaos warband/chapter. I've seen a few CSM army lists that use SOB allied to Khorne or Slaanesh (with their rules represented by generic CSM troop rules)

Thank you for doing a complete conformation! I was still worried until I saw this post of yours

So me saying it doesn't? It has to come from a candy-man?

Riffzor wrote:

emielizabeth wrote:

candy.man wrote:Hi Emily

In response to using SOB models for a CSM army, your pefectly allowed to do so, as long as their appearance is chaotic enough so to speak. Also the wargear must match the CSM rules (for example a SOB converted CSM squad would probably be equiped with 2 melta guns/flamers and a power fist/sword champion).

In terms of fluff, it is perfectly ok as there is no reason why some SOBs wouldn't turn to chaos and ally themselves with a chaos warband/chapter. I've seen a few CSM army lists that use SOB allied to Khorne or Slaanesh (with their rules represented by generic CSM troop rules)

Thank you for doing a complete conformation! I was still worried until I saw this post of yours

So me saying it doesn't? It has to come from a candy-man?

xD I don't want to be mean to anyone

But yes, yours was excellet and comforting too.....lol

*Hisses, then runs off hiding behind a rock, conjuring up a plan to extreminate mankind which most probably will fail*

LOL

What the....xD

*nods* You just got Riff'd.