So, we've come to it at last. 1225 posts. I know it seems odd, but it's a special number to me, m'kay. Anyway...1225 posts. And I've had an interesting time of it all. I know we have not always got along Dakka, but I do consider you my brothers (and sisters)-in-arms. I look forward to 1225 more posts here on Dakka!
Anyway, thats the emotional stuff out of the way. To celebrate this milestone, I thought I would be appropriate to do something special. So, I'm going to rank the 20 origional Space Marine legions in order of preference, giving reasons along the way. I know it sounds Narcassitic, but I hope it'll let you get to know me a little better-something that I personally would like. So, lets get started with number 20!:
20. It took the Horus Heresy for them to come out of the closet. Emperors children, how I loath thee. Let me start by saying that the idea on its own isn't bad-totally debased and corrupt warriors, once dedicated to perfection in it's every form but now addicted to pleasure and sensation, devoted to the god of excess and fighting alongside lithesome Daemons whilst outfitting all their most powerful weapons with sonic technology. Sounds good, don't it?
But that's the point-these things don't exist. Instead, what we get are pink-armoured sex addicts who are deaf unless it's a WERELY LOUD BANG!!!11!!!1 Even their pre-heresy colours were a noxious, gaudy purple. Blech.
And Fulgrim. Don't even get me started on Fulgrim. I hate pretty, poster-boy primarchs (as you'll see later, there's one exception), and Fulgrim is one of the worst. He's the most perfectly perfect of the Primarchs,
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who Horus tells to go convert his bestest freind to Kay-oss. He then procedes to fail horribly and nearly gets killed in the bargain. Before long, they have a quite pathetic in all honesty sword fight on Istvaan, where he wins, but just CAN'T DO IT *sob*. But then, by the magic powers of plot dervices his magical super daemon sword of magicness takes him over and kills Ferrus.
Yawn.
So, EC, where did it all go wrong? At the end of the day, you're just bling bling marines shooting with trombones. Trombones of doom, maybe, but still Trombones.
And as a saxophone player, I just want to say that sitting in front of trombones is dangerous to your ears, and to your sense of cleanliness. Just put some duct tape over your fething spit valve and stop the nurgle-ish spraying!
Not a big fan of the Emperor's Children except for Saul Tarvitz. But he was cool becasue he was the most unEC member of the legion. Are you going to rank them by coolness or effectiveness?
sniperjolly wrote:I love it, congrats on the post count you hypocritical narccisist, chewing out the most narccisistic legion.
PS there were only 18 legions, unless you count the two that got deleted.
I am counting the 2 deleted legions.
micahaphone wrote:moar???
And as a saxophone player, I just want to say that sitting in front of trombones is dangerous to your ears, and to your sense of cleanliness. Just put some duct tape over your fething spit valve and stop the nurgle-ish spraying!
There will be more, don't worry. I'm hoping to do one legion every two or so days.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Not a big fan of the Emperor's Children except for Saul Tarvitz. But he was cool becasue he was the most unEC member of the legion. Are you going to rank thm by coolness or effectiveness?
Coolness-and I think you may be a little surprised who comes out top.
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Little lord Fauntleroy wrote: I look forward to 1225 more posts here on Dakka!
Fine fine, alright... but then you gotta go!
Okee-dokee, I'll just go and troll B&C.
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I don't like Blood Angels-and I think we can all guess why. I don't like their fluff, I don't like their style, I don't like their rules, and I don't like them. They are just a boring concept to me-"Lookee lookee kids! Vampires in space! Zomg I <3 Twilight!!!"-and their current codex with it's rediculous 'backstory' (if it even deserves to be called that) and just some plain silly rules make them ultimately dead in my eyes. I could care a lot less about Sanguinius, who has a prime example of PPBPD (pretty poster-boy primarch disorder) and so goody-goody it's sickening. Even their name is boring (We are the Blood Angels...for we are angels...of blood...).The Death company and Sanguinary guard are nice idea's, I'll give them that, and Lemartes is a cool guy, but otherwise-nothing more than a resounding 'thumbs down' for the Blood Angels. And no, I don't like Twilight.
Well, we now know where the two lost legions were anyway! The lost legions have never sat well with me. Granted, the fact that we know nothing about them means it's hard to give a proper reason for disliking them, but there we go. I know why they exist-to give players the chance to create their own loyalist or Chaos legions-but one of the main reasons I enjoy 40k so much is for its background, which is far better than half the stuff we get for other games in my opinion. Leaving out two legions of the main pro (or possibly an)tagonists just makes the whole thing seem...unfinished. A little mystery is all fine and good, but we can leave that to guys like the Dark angels, who at least get a name, can't we? And legion two is better than legion eleven. Period.
16.Like regular wolves, but in SPHESS!!1!!1 Space Wolves. What is it about Space Wolves I don't like? Well, it's this-imagine for a moment if 40k was in a high school setting. The Death guard would be the fat guys, the Ultramarines would be the 'popular' kids, the Night lords would be the creepy guys who hang around outside the girls bathroom and try to look in whenever someone opens the door. Well, the Space Wolves would be 'that' guy-the guy who smokes, who drinks, who does drugs, who starts the fights, who sleeps with different women every week-but everyone stil likes them. Except me. Not all of the wolves are bad-Bjorn and Ulrik are cool guys, and Russ is a proper man's primarch-but they're still just as a whole irritating. The people of the Imperium think light shines out of their every orifice and they can do no wrong despite the fact their all, y'know, crazy werewolfs? For once, I'm firmly on the side of the Administratum. And here's a point-whats with the insane wolf fetish? Why must every second peice of wargear or special rule be the 'Wolf of the wolf wolf' or whatever? I understand the need to establish a theme and all, but this is just taking it a little too far don'tcha think Gee-dub? So, thats my views on the Space Wolves. They have potential, but in the end they're just....too close to home for me to ever truly like. And I should point out that my two main armies are Dark Angels and Thousand sons with renegade space Wolves.
15. As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my fortress door... I want to like the Raven guard. I really really do. But I find I just...can't...
I don't know why not-they are a cool chapter. Black clad superhuman bird space assassins? Sounds good. Their homeplanet is basically a forge world? Lookin' pretty hot. Shadow captain Shrike? Holy mother of Nurgle yes.
But something about them is just putting me off. Corax was a bit of a dunce I suppose, flying into the warp with a remix of one line of Poe's "The raven" blasting out some speakers because he made one slight feth-up (okay, it was a little more than slight, but that still doesn't change the fact he was sitting in his bedroom sulking when he should have been kicking xenos rear-end). That Korvydae model is ugly with a capital 'U'. But the rest of them are alright guys, but I just don't like them. And I wish I did, because I think I would enjoy this game a lot more.
pfff. Raven guard are cooler than Dark Angels. You better stop the Dark Angels are the coolest train right now.
All they've done in the last 10,000 years is ride around in a rock looking for members of their own chapter for no particular reason. Lots of other chapters have lost marines to chaos but guess what? They got over it!!!!
KamikazeCanuck wrote: All they've done in the last 10,000 years is ride around in a rock looking for members of their own chapter for no particular reason.
I take it you don't now the events of the fall of Caliban? If you did, then you wouldn't say it was for no particular reason.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: All they've done in the last 10,000 years is ride around in a rock looking for members of their own chapter for no particular reason.
I take it you don't now the events of the fall of Caliban? If you did, then you wouldn't say it was for no particular reason.
I'm well-versed in the Dark Angels and while they look cool they don't act cool. It's the only only loyalist chapter where you can't even trust your own battle-brothers. Saying the wrong thing can get you mind-wiped or disappeared. They have a secretive inner-circle that jealously guards their secrets so they can feel like big men.
If you were their allies you could never figure them into your strategies. In the critical moment of a battle they could just up and leave or even turn on you if it suited their personal, and overblown agenda. If I were an Astartes The Unforgiven would be the only chapter I wouldn't want to be in. You can't trust your brother next to you and fight for nothing but an elitist inner circle that would put you down without hesitation.
So far, I've got to agree, more or less. These chapters are the more generic or ridiculously themed ones. Although I happen to like the mystic of the lost chapters.
I have to say I don't love the fluff for any of the first founding.. Their either lame, stupid or too extreme.. Like The world eaters are cool, but the idea any of them are left breaks my suspension of belief bridge.
Also I really wish they get a novel, but then I thought what would you put in it? Blood for the Blood God!!! *kill something* Skulls for the skull throne! REPEAT.. for 300 pages.. I'd probably still read it though.
14. They'd look better with the hats I would say I like the Ultra's more than most-I even had an army of them before I sadly sold them on. But I will admit that they are smurfs.
And not just in colour, but in demeaner. They go around screaming about "CURIGE & HONUR!!!11!!1" and getting omnomed by the 'nids, whilst still being the lovechildren of GW. They are just in general boring and too goody-goody, and like the Space Wolves they are akin to a 'brand' of people in real life, but in this case they are the arrogant 'popular' kids who go out of their way to make my life a misery. Grumble.
Gulliman was a bit of a twerp, being cruel to both Alpharius and Lorgar just because he was more succesful in the crusade than they were. Yeah, well let me tell you something Girlyman-Lorgar's god beats your god. Calgar (who shall hereon out be known as 'big papa smurf') sits on the Mary sue sofa with the Sanguinor and Sicarus and sits back downing gallons of ale whiles re-enacting how he somehow managed to punch through the body of stupidly hot living metal of the Eldar god of War, yet somehow losing in a fairly epic fashion to some semi-intelligent mosquito's (though still only losing about 100 men, you understand). And the less said about Uriel-"lets charge the Necrons to wake up their god of death which everyone else saw coming but we managed to miss completely"-Ventris the better.
I suppose their not all that bad-I mean, in general they are cool enough guys. But they are just the very epitome of blandness. If Space Marines worked in regular jobs, then the Ultramarines would be the parking ticket validators.
1d4 chan wrote:Circa M29: The Unification Wars. The Emperor of Mankind unites Terra, and sets off to conquer the stars in a series of violent and bloody battles. The Ultramarines’ Primarch, Roboute Guilliman (Nicknamed Rowboat Girlyman for his utter douchebaggery during the Heresy), is conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
012.M31-014.M31: The Horus Heresy. Almost half of all Space Marine legions betray the Emperor and turn to Chaos. The traitors lay siege to Holy Terra, and most of the Space marine legions suffer major losses. The Blood Angels, Imperial Fists, and White scars are forced to make a stand on Terra while the Dark Angels lose their homeworld to renegade elements within their home planet, the Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard are nearly destroyed, and the Emperor is crippled while battling Horus. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs. After the Heresy, Rowboat Girlyman created the Codex Astartes as we know it today, including the separation of the 10,000 strong legions into 1,000 strong chapters. Note that the Ultramarines didn't participate in the defense of Terra, didn't sustain crippling damage to their Chapter's manpower, and note that, best of all, when they arrived they were too fething late. The war was already won, yet their primarch still was the first to create the new rules.
546.M32: 'The Beheading': The High Lords of Terra are all slain on the orders of Drakan Vangorich, Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum. The rogue Master of Assassins is tracked down and slain by a Space Marine strikeforce drawn from the Imperial Fists, Halo Brethren and Sable Swords. Only a single Space Marine survives the campaign. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
843.M35: Distress call from Grendel's World investigated. Planet discovered to have been attacked and all inhabitants slain by terror tactics of the Night Lords. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
Early M36: The Age of Apostasy and the Reign of Blood begin. Warp storms increase dramatically and Chaos and Ork attacks multiply. The Imperium falls into turmoil. An empowered Ecclesiarchy becomes more tyrannical. High Lord Goge Vandire becomes the most powerful member of the Senate of the High Lords of Terra, and manipulates a small sect, the Daughters of the Emperor(AKA: today the Sisters of Battle), into becoming his personal bodyguards, the Brides of the Emperor. Vandire rules largely unopposed and more and more bloody and tyrannical. Zhoros (Fire Hawks' world) thermal bombed. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
266.M36: Sebastian Thor is born on Dimmamar. He eventually becomes a threat to Vandire, who sends the Frateris Templar fleet to destroy Dimmamar. The fleet is completly destroyed by a warp storm, still existing today, named the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath in the Clax system. Vandire's armies are finally defeated by combined forces of the Tech Guard and several chapters of Space Marines, organized under the banner of the Confederation of Light, led by Thor. Vandire is executed by Alicia Dominica, the leader of his own bodyguards, who reclaim their old name Daughters of the Emperor in a conspiracy involving the Adeptus Custodes and the Emperor himself. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
723.M36: The 5th Black Crusade begins. Doombreed, a prince of Khorne declares war on the Adeptus Astartes. The Warhawks and the Venerators are lost. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
995.M40-000.M41 The Macharian Crusades. Lord Solar Macharius sets out to reconquer the Segmentum Pacificus for the Imperium. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
444.M41: First War for Armageddon. Chaos incursion led by Angron and World Eaters beaten back by Space Wolves and Grey Knights but only at a terrible cost. Only about a dozen of the grey knights survive the battle with Angron. The local planetary militia and the other citizens are mind-wiped, sterilized and put into work camps, to slave away for the rest of their short, miserable lives much to the horror of Logan Grimnar. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
742.M41 Damocles Crusade is launched against the Tau Empire due to the Imperium's ever growing Xenophobia, a small, strategically insignificant piece of nothingness, inhabited by weak fish people with minimal Faster-Than-Light Technology. The Ultramarines are thoroughly defeated along with the rest of the Imperial forces.
745.M41: First Tyrannic War. Hive Fleet Behemoth attacks the Ultramarines homeworld Macragge. Most of the chapter is eaten by Nids and lost their entire 1st company, the Chapter's company of hardened veterans and Terminators. The second fight they get and they still blew it, lulz.
901-912.M41 Badab War. The Astral Claws, Lamenters, Executioners, and Mantis Warriors chapters rebel against the Imperium, and are defeated by loyalist chapters. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
941-942.M41: Second War for Armageddon. The Ultramarines bump into an Ork Waaagh! while running away from the Tyranids. They are saved by the timely intervention of Commissar Yarrick and the Blood Angels.
988.M41: The battle of Rynn's World begins. A large ork army, led by the Warboss Snagrod attacks the Crimson Fists and thier homeworld. During the battle, a stray missle strikes the Fortress-Monastary of the crimson fists, killing most of the Marines. The survivors are wounded severly and are forced to rebuild their chapter. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
757998.M41: The Third War for Armageddon begins. Having learned from past mistakes, Imperial Commanders commit a ridiculous amount of forces to hold the world. It drags on for months in a bloody stalemate, and soon Ghazghkull grows bored and leaves his generals to finish the fight while he goes looking for other worlds to conquer. Commissar Yarrick joins a Black Templars Crusade and gives chase. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
5999.M41: Warmaster Abaddon launches the 13th Black Crusade. The armies of Chaos Undivided lay siege primarily to Cadia but attack many of the surrounding worlds as well. Imperial Forces launch a massive counterattack, and eventually push back the tides of Chaos, but only just barely, and at great cost. The Space Wolves' 13th Company are amongst the forces seen fighting against the forces of chaos. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.
Keep 'em (World Eaters) coming, mate! Don't let (World Eaters) anyone try to influence you with (World Eaters) their own personal (World Eaters) faves!
ugh, this list is ridiculus anyway. There is only 2 choices for the top 2 legions of all time. The Luna Wolves and The Ultramarines. The are the two most important and influencial Legions by a mile. The only question is which one of those two is number 1.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:ugh, this list is ridiculus anyway. There is only 2 choices for the top 2 legions of all time. The Luna Wolves and The Ultramarines. The are the two most important and influencial Legions by a mile. The only question is which one of those two is number 1.
...Well, if you are correct then it would appear to be the Luna Wolves, but I bet they get knocked out of the running for being absolutely ineffective upon becoming the Black Legion.
And I am suprised that the Ultras even got this far, what with the general interwebs hate for them. Oh well.
Here's hoping the Imperial Fists are in the top 5!
KamikazeCanuck wrote:ugh, this list is ridiculus anyway. There is only 2 choices for the top 2 legions of all time. The Luna Wolves and The Ultramarines. The are the two most important and influencial Legions by a mile. The only question is which one of those two is number 1.
...Well, if you are correct then it would appear to be the Luna Wolves, but I bet they get knocked out of the running for being absolutely ineffective upon becoming the Black Legion.
And I am suprised that the Ultras even got this far, what with the general interwebs hate for them. Oh well.
Here's hoping the Imperial Fists are in the top 5!
I tend to agree. Luna Wolves shattered the galaxy but Ultramarines put it back together. Imperial Fists fortress making abilities gave them the chance though.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:World Eaters are like Blood Angels but with 1/10th the personality and background.
Blood Angels are like World Eaters but soft and girly..
Oh noez, oh noez, the Blood Angels' Primarch has long hair! OMGWTFBBQ!
Really, though, the only thing that the World Eaters have that the Angels do not is Kharn. And he's pretty cool, but other than that the Eaters are just psycho-Marines.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:World Eaters are like Blood Angels but with 1/10th the personality and background.
Blood Angels are like World Eaters but soft and girly..
Oh noez, oh noez, the Blood Angels' Primarch has long hair! OMGWTFBBQ!
Really, though, the only thing that the World Eaters have that the Angels do not is Kharn. And he's pretty cool, but other than that the Eaters are just psycho-Marines.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:World Eaters are like Blood Angels but with 1/10th the personality and background.
Blood Angels are like World Eaters but soft and girly..
Oh noez, oh noez, the Blood Angels' Primarch has long hair! OMGWTFBBQ!
Really, though, the only thing that the World Eaters have that the Angels do not is Kharn. And he's pretty cool, but other than that the Eaters are just psycho-Marines.
13. Think I'm too white and nerdy, can't you see me white and nerdy?.... Biker armies are cool. Space Marine biker armies are even cooler. So it is with the White scars, who earn even more manpoints because they're primarch was Genghis Khan in space. Let me say that again: Ghengis. Frikkin'. Khan. In. Space. You see those guys coming towards you and you just know that your either not going to leave the battlefeild alive, or your going to do so with your gentalia rearranged considerably. Plus, they have mustaches. As in, not these half hearted little face headrows but proper jawsome Ming mustaches. If we lived in an ideal world all White scars would get an invunerable save just because of the sheer manliness of those mustaches, but alas, we do not. And that, coincidentally enough, is the problem I have with the White scars. First off, I hate painting White. It absolutely petrifies me. The thought of painting even an apothecary makes me go weak at the knee's, let alone an entire army. Also, I have never used a biker army before, and I think if I did I would lose even more games than I do nowadays, because I am a life fail and don't have the skill required to use one properly. So I'm sorry, White scars: It's not you thats the problem here, it's me. I wish I was up to your calibre of skill required, but I'm not. But I can safely say that you will always have my respect as enemies. Oh, and am I the only one who gets reminded of the song The rabbit by Mike Snow whenever I see an army of the chapter?
It's a travesty that the White Scars aren't developed more. I think they may literally be the most underdeveloped Legion. If Kanye played warhammer he'd say "GW doesn't care about asian people".
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Shaman wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:World Eaters are like Blood Angels but with 1/10th the personality and background.
Blood Angels are like World Eaters but soft and girly..
Oh noez, oh noez, the Blood Angels' Primarch has long hair! OMGWTFBBQ!
Really, though, the only thing that the World Eaters have that the Angels do not is Kharn. And he's pretty cool, but other than that the Eaters are just psycho-Marines.
Agreed, World Eaters are as lame if not lamer than Emperor's Children. ARGH we're Angry! ARGH!!!
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
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Shaman wrote:
KamikazeCanuck wrote:World Eaters are like Blood Angels but with 1/10th the personality and background.
Blood Angels are like World Eaters but soft and girly..
Oh noez, oh noez, the Blood Angels' Primarch has long hair! OMGWTFBBQ!
Really, though, the only thing that the World Eaters have that the Angels do not is Kharn. And he's pretty cool, but other than that the Eaters are just psycho-Marines.
Agreed, World Eaters are as lame if not lamer than Emperor's Children. ARGH we're Angry! ARGH!!!
I'm sorry, I can't hear you over HOW ANGRY I AM!
Actually, Berserkers are the calmest of the space marines, off the battlefield. You could probably complement them on their knitting skills and their recipes for Tea.
As to White Scars, I personally don't like them, though that is probably because of the fluff (or lack thereof) on them. All I really know about them is that they are pretty much all on bikes.
No offense, but your arguments against the raven guard and white scars seems to be "I don't like them, not sure why" or "I'm not good enough to run the type of list they're meant for". I'm surprised you didn't make fun of their weird head-knot-ponytails, or how lame K'sorro Khan's model is.
micahaphone wrote:No offense, but your arguments against the raven guard and white scars seems to be "I don't like them, not sure why" or "I'm not good enough to run the type of list they're meant for". I'm surprised you didn't make fun of their weird head-knot-ponytails, or how lame K'sorro Khan's model is.
You're 100% right. They are the reasons I chose them . I wish I could think of better reasons for putting them so low down, but since I'm a life fail I can't. No offence taken .
And don't dis the ponytails! The ponytails are cool!
shakey787 wrote:lol sillymanders next
You know me well.
12. All of our thunder hammers are master crafted. This is fair and legal. I hold a lot of respect for the 'Manders. They want to burninate things. I want to burninate things. There is a common understanding between us. He'stan helps knock their score up by just how hard his rules rocks. They are over all a generally cool chapter, with plenty of interesting fuff and reasonable coverage by GW. Plus, fire is cool, and having lots of weapons that produce such a chemichal is awsome. Despite buggering off after Istvaan and then not turning up till the heresy finished (I have my theories about vast quantities of beer and a Guitar hero marathon), Vulkan seems an okay sort of chap. Overall; so far, so good.
However, there is one fatal problem the Salamanders have that prevent them from ranking higher: They are too nice. As I mentioned earlier one of the things I love about 40k is the background, and how grim it is compared to, say, Star Wars. It is not a pleasant place. Bad things happen to good people and nice guys most definatly finish last. Astartes don't make speeches about protecting civilians, hey punch their fething faces in. You wouldn't see most other chapters of note doing it. So why you, Salamanders? Why tarnish you're good name with such pathetic attempts at being human? There's not a shortage of lowly civvies in the Imperium, to be fair. Just get over yourself lads, and then we'll talk, m'kay?
Sounds about right. Personally, I think the coolest Space Marine CHAPTER would be the Grey Knights. No prettyboys, no cheesy special characters... just lots of demon stabbing.
Personally I'd rate Salamanders and Raven Guard above a few of the Chaos legions though... but that's me.
lol i dont hate them i just think they would have more than the same old look, i know they are trying to steer clear of cliche's but lets get some skeletons and zombie looking mummy pumpers.
just a marine with a skeletal leg hanging out his armour or one with half his face missing
its the same with all chaos armies its very uniformed for CHAOS
lol i dont hate them i just think they would have more than the same old look, i know they are trying to steer clear of cliche's but lets get some skeletons and zombie looking mummy pumpers.
just a marine with a skeletal leg hanging out his armour or one with half his face missing
its the same with all chaos armies its very uniformed for CHAOS
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I personally bet Alpha Legion is in the top 5, It's easily my favorite legion. And I can't see the twins placing behind hardly any of the other primarchs.
I'm loving it so far. It is definitely bias. But that's the point right!!! It's his favorite legions from least to best.
I think the World Eaters are great. They mastered berzerker lobotomizing. They're stoic figures off the field. and uncontrollable killing machines on the field. harnessed by their emotions, power armor, and chain axe, all of them humming the fine tune of "KILL MAIN BURN"
The blood angels are just a chapter with a wimpy deformed gene-seed that lets them fall into "black rage" Sounds a little like stupid dog complex where they go crazyshit from their brain swelling inside the skull cavity.
Koski wrote:I personally bet Alpha Legion is in the top 5, It's easily my favorite legion. And I can't see the twins placing behind hardly any of the other primarchs.
I'm loving it so far. It is definitely bias. But that's the point right!!! It's his favorite legions from least to best.
I think the World Eaters are great. They mastered berzerker lobotomizing. They're stoic figures off the field. and uncontrollable killing machines on the field. harnessed by their emotions, power armor, and chain axe, all of them humming the fine tune of "KILL MAIN BURN"
The blood angels are just a chapter with a wimpy deformed gene-seed that lets them fall into "black rage" Sounds a little like stupid dog complex where they go crazyshit from their brain swelling inside the skull cavity.
lol hear hear fella i think they are a bunch of vampiric space emo's
"AAAAWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH!!!! DADDY WHY DID YOU HAVE TO DIE AAAAAWAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH Im so angry im gonna paint my armour black and self harm if anyone wants me ill be writing in my journal and brooding in my own self pity"
Captain Sarius Vamparius
1st company Blood Angels
p.s
"noone understands me!"
if i want my space marines punchy ill go see Khorne
I can't belive that word bearers haven been in the bottom 10 yet, lorgar must have been the single lamest entity in the entre galaxy. He basically caused the Horus heresy and the age of apostaty by himself, and was whiney abot the whole "BBBAAwwwww... Daddy dosent love me!" and instead of reasoning, or relenting, he found some gods that wanted to be worshiped.
sniperjolly wrote:I can't belive that word bearers haven been in the bottom 10 yet, lorgar must have been the single lamest entity in the entre galaxy. He basically caused the Horus heresy and the age of apostaty by himself, and was whiney abot the whole "BBBAAwwwww... Daddy dosent love me!" and instead of reasoning, or relenting, he found some gods that wanted to be worshiped.
It was the only DoW game that managed to have a cool voice for an HQ model. He and the blood ravens Captain from DoW 1, captain Angelos. In DoW 2 Angelos wasnt half as cool. All the other Chaos units in the games sound like a bunch of nerds with a mean lisp. The Khorne beserkers had decent voices too.
If there is gonna be someone in the top of the list for best SM chapter...hmm. As long as it isn't DA really. First chapter doesn't garuntee first place.
Sorry for the lack of an update yesterday. I ha a haircut n the morning, and went to the Warhammer world relaunch in the afternoon, so wasn't back till late. Anyway, lets move on.
11. Just popping out for a snack, be back later. I don't really have much to say on the World Eaters-I don't particularly love them, nor do I harbour any ill will towards them. They have always just been "that" legion, the one that I'm just not bothered about. Oh sure, I've been tempted, but I've been tempted by most armies and one more won't make a difference. Kharn is a cool enough guy I suppose (I'm still trying to find that humour picture of him in the libary), and a warband of lobotomised, frothing maniacs running around shouting "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!" as loudly as their biology will allow is sweet,but...I dunno. They're thankfully more or less safe from my scrutiny. I will admit I like their FW dreadnaught hull a lot. There is one thing that bothers me: Angron. Seriously GW, you named the angry primarch Angron? By this logic, Mortarion's name should be "Smelly", Russ' "Hairy", Night Haunter's "Sneaky", Vulkan's "Fir"-well, you get the picture. These guys are the gods-damn sons of the Emperor, the almighty Primarchs, not Snow Whites 21 Dwarfs. Very very sloppy gee-dub *Smack on wrist*.
10. Legion of luna so-What's our name again? Congratulations Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus/Black Legion, you win(?) the honour of being "Mr average"-slap bang in the middle of the Legion rankings. Remember earlier when I mentioned that there was one pretty boy Primarch I liked? Well, it's Horus. I don't care what anyone says, Horus is the man, he wasn't made Warmaster for nothing guys. He's amitous, he'll do anything to get what he wants, he inspires great loyalty, and he's not half bad in a fight. If I had to choose one primarch we know is dead to have survived, then it would be Horus. And as well as that, the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus were actually an effective fighting force. They took the fight to the xenos, the traitor and the non-believer and illuminated them. With flamer and holy Boltgun . But (and it's a big but)...any chance of the XVI ever ranking higher was lost when it became the Black Legion. It holds a strong claim to the title of the single most useless organisation in any fictional work. Abbadon is the fail: 13 Black crusades and he has managed to only just gained a foothold on Cadia. Yes yes, I know, they've killed "Many important Imperials" and have "united many chaos warbands", but that is no excuse Abbadon. No excuse at all; even Aximand could have done better (okay, bad comparison, Aximand is the man).
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And Torgaddon! Why did you have to die! I'm not so bothered about Loken, he'd probably burst into tears if he found a Sparrow with a broken wing).
Well, we are now officialy in Fauntleroy's top ten! Now we're going from critiscm's into badly disguised marriage proposals . That means the following legions are stilll to place (in no particular order): Thousand sons, Word Bearers, Alpha Legion, Dark Angels, Imperial fists, Night Lords, Death Guard, Iron Hands, iron Warriors.
Automatically Appended Next Post: 9. Bananas, in power armour, they're running down the stairs... Up next are the Imperial fists, coming in at a very respectable ninth place. When all's said and done, I like the sons of Dorn. My first army was going to be Imperial fists 3rd company, but I was a little intimidated by all that yellow and so went for Thousand sons instead-I will do it one day though, when I have the time and money. And I think the reason I like them so much is that they are just awesome in general. They were there, on Terra, when the heretics stormed the walls. They never once lost ther faith in the Emperor. Dorn was aboard the Vengeful spirit alongside his father. To agree to face the chosen of all four chaos gods-that takes balls. And they haven't lost any of that coolnes since the end of the heresy. They've been out there fighting the bad men and keeping the people safe (which you already know my thoughts on, but there you go). If I had to pick a marine army to defend me, it would be the Fists-them or the Sallie's. Space Wolfs are to crazy, Dark Angels would probably just kill you if they looked at them funny, Blood Angels would try and turn you into a mini-Edward, and Ultramarines seem too glory hungry to rely on. But the sons of Terra are true heroes, commited to the Emprors vision of uniting Humanity. I'm not surprised Dorn didn't want to break his legion down, they were so effective already! So yeah Imperial Fists-I like you, and you'll get the attention you deserve one day. Just keep doing what you do until then. And also; in the above picture, they are fighting a two headed Dinosaur. This alone guarantee's them a place in the top 10.
IF are basically what the UMs were supposed to be, the upright, tough gerneralist exemplars with the coolest 2nd founding chapters.
Now the UMs are the cocky, arrogant, foolish posterboys instead, while the underapreaciated IF take their place from under their overgrown nose.
Marrak wrote:I'd have put the IF's higher, but that is a badass picture.
I've always wondered why they got second billing to pretty much everyone... even their own successor chapters. I'm looking at you Crimson fists!
again true plus the templars,
they have Lysander though which is cool i dunno if id like to see more IF's i collect them and its nice having it at a fairly cult standing lol
I don't mind the cult standing either (although lately all codex marine players in my area seem to be switching to Fists... )
And I don't mind the Templars, since they're so vastly different in organization that they've become their own identity. Crimson fists are a 2nd founding codex chapter that gets more screentime then their founding, which has always left me with a WTF moment.
8. Holy Eight-foot tall superhuman lookalikes, Batman! Damn you Night Lords. I wanted to take the mick out of you. I wanted to rip you apart. I wanted to criticise you for your goofy bat ears, you're silly lightning armour, you're pantomime villain-esque fluff. And I can't...because I like you.
The best way I can explain it is as follows; have you ever liked someone that everyone else hates? Someone who has some bad quality that no-one else likes but you're too blinded to see? Well, it's the same with me and the Night Lords. Those ears for instance; I know a lot of people think they look ridiculous, but I actually kinda' like them. If the model's helmets looked more like the one in the picture above, then I think coupled with the ears they could be genuinly unnerving. Their fluff is decent, and I have to admit it always gives me a chuckle at how much they remind me of Doctor Claw from the old Inspector Gadget cartoons (next time Calgar, NEXT TIME *bat noise*!!!!!). Okay, the Lightning armour is a bit silly, especially for a legion that specialises in stealth attacks. But hey, can't have everything I suppose.
And Curze. Poor old Curze. I have to admit I feel a bit sorry for the guy, he's got a similar schizophrenia condition to myself. Granted it's a lot more severe than mine is, and he had to deal with it alone. The way Nostramo (Can I just say that's a really good name for a planet? I mean, Fenris for the Space Wolves? How inventive. Olympia for the Iron warriors? Yawn. But Nostramo?-Hell yeah, you know some gaks gonna go down their.) is described and handled by the man is nothing short of brilliant, and his little scrap against Dorn is memorable enough. As far as Primarchs go, he's up there with the best.
Also-go away now and listen to Iron maidens Fear of the Dark. Come back and tell me honestly that doesn't pump you up about the Night Lords.
Great read, loved the critics/comments so far for each legion (specially the bashing of the smurfs!!!! Yeah, I don't like poster boys, specially those that sit on the far corner of the galaxy ruling over their simcity while the others are fighting in some forsaken hell hole) so yeah, thumbs up for you and your initiative, I'll be waiting to see the rest of the chart.
Fiend wrote:What happened to Fauntleroy? That would be very anti-climatic is the thread died. Well, Dorn got beat by Bat ears so... Go Dark Angels!?
Did you really miss me that much ? Sorry for no update yesterday folks, after narrowly escaping death (again) I felt like utter crap for the rest of the day and didn't do anything except sit in bed. I know, I know, I'm a bad man. Anyway, let's continue shall we?
7. Caution, marines at work. Why do I love the Iron Warriors so much? Thats an easy question-they are a proper "baddy" Chaos space Marine army. They're the guys who (quite literally) go around kicking down little kid's sand castles at the beach. If you see that emblem on the side of a Deathclaw drop pod landing on you're world, you know you and all you're mate's are screwed. They're not here to torture you, or use you to infiltrate the palace, or turn you to chaos-they're just here to shoot you, then incinerate you, and then scatter your ashes to the wind. In short; they're not nice. Not nice at all. And like all good villians, they have a proper nemesis in the Imperial Fists. Not the regular CSM "We hate all of the Emprah's lackeys Grr" nemesis, but a proper "so mr Lysander, we meet again" animosity. They are the Sarumaun to their Gandalf, the Venom to their Spiderman, the Master to their Doctor, the Sh-you get the idea. Even better, they've got the proper "We do what you do but make it BAD!!!1!!1" thing with the siege specialists going on, and importantly they do it on their own. They don't need Chaos to hold their hands, instead they knuckle down and get the job done. Lke in Storm of Iron, which I think was a very good book (Kanulwen-if you're reading this, we've already had this discussion ), they only used Chaos when it benefitted them, and thats I suppose...intelligent, one might say. There is one thing that I dislike about the masters of Olympia, and it's...how can I put this?....THOSE MOTHER-FETHING CAUTION STRIPES THEY WEAR ALL OVER THEIR ARMOUR!! Oh I hate those with such a passion. You're supposed to be the all-conquering seige specialists of chaos lads, not police crime scene investigators or construction workers. You're supposed to be tearing down the palace's of the false Emperor, not building one into a bypass of the A32. Those are the only things that are stopping me from colecting a full Iron Warriors army, and I will hate them forever for it. /nerdrage.
Couldn't agree more with Iron Warriors, that damned strip is why my faction is an offshoot of them, instead of just using them. Though my guys see Chaos as another power source to be exploited, so they tame the warp for their own mechanical uses.
6. I heard some girls like the Metallic feel... Yes, yes, I know it's a Deathwatch marines, not an Iron hand above. But it's hard to find good images of the X legion-and that, coincidentially, is my point. (How many paranthetic comma's did I just use in that sentence? ) Everyone likes the Iron hands. Everyone I know personally anyway. And why wouldn't you?-they've got some of the best background of all the Space Marines (come on, who doesn't like RAEG! filled cyborg marines with a penchant for killing anyone who looks at them funny?), and they really really (x1000000) loath the Emperor's children. I can relate. "Fluffy" Iron hands lists even tend to do well, what with their predisposition towards Masters of the forge and Dreadnaughts. And that's all the good things I can say on them. No, I know what you're thinking-why have I given them less praise than other Chapters like the Imperial fists, who scored lower down? Well, maybe you misunderstand what I mean when I say thats's all the good things I can say about them, because I mean it literally. There's pretty much nothing else I can say about them because we know very little else. The Iron hands are done no justice by GW, they are continously ignored whilst other chapter's are given more attention than they deserve. Hey, at least the White Scars got a special charector in the Marine codex, even if his model is pants (I could rant about why I hate the Kor'sarro model, but I'm afraid my rage might kill a small kitten somewhere and I'm sorry but I just can't live with that guilt ). Heck, even the Crimson fists got more coverage in the latest codex! What have they done of note except blow themselves up,
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get beaten up by 400 renegade marines wearing PURPLE of all things
, and have their asses' saved by some space fairies? Meanwhile, the Hands' get little more than a breif mention in the chapter gallery, a single picture of a model, one quote, and an indetailed campaign overview. I can think of two books the Iron hands have featured in-one is now out of print, and the other was predominately about the Emperors children. And, for a first founding chapter, that's not good enough Gee-dub. Come on Jervis, take a stance on this-I like them, a lot of people like them. I know there's the hybrid kit for them on the web, but to be honest do you know 1 person who's actually brought that? Just some transfers, or even some selling the shoulder pads from the kit seperately would encourage more people to start them. Please? And the Praetor's of Orpheus can go feth themselves with a chainsword.
lol this is awesome. I can't wait for more. This reminds of those images about 'The Shiny Space Marines' and stuff. Does anyone know where I can find them, btw?
Curses, elimanated not by the chapter's fluff, but by the game designers that said that they would make an IH codex after BTs, an then compleatly forgot about them.
sniperjolly wrote:Curses, elimanated not by the chapter's fluff, but by the game designers that said that they would make an IH codex after BTs, an then compleatly forgot about them.
It is unfair-if the Hands had more love and attention given to them, then I've no doubt that they would have got into the top 3, maybe even have won overall. As it is, I can't in good conscicous let them beat other more well developed legions, even if that's not the IH's fault.
So to recap; the top 5 legions still to place are (in no particular order) Alpha legion, Death Guard, Word Bearers, Thousand sons, and Dark Angels.
Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:
So to recap; the top 5 legions still to place are (in no particular order) Alpha legion, Death Guard, Word Bearers, Thousand sons, and Dark Angels.
As long as it's not Dark Angels, I really don't mind. Word Bearers are kind of tools as well, so as long as its Death Guard, Alphas, or Thousand Sons, I'll be content.
Im holding out for Thousand Sons! Their post-heresy armour is THE coolest armour in the 40k universe IMO. Its just too badass.
Plus Arihman serves Tzeentch without wanting or indeed even intending too. Which is just deliciously tragic! He is one of the few 'Good' worshipers of Chaos.
Their fluff is definitely my favourite.
Terminus wrote: Word Bearers are kind of tools as well
HEAR ME WORD BEARERS, TODAY WE DESTROY THE SOULLESS FORCES OF THE STAR GODS! WARP BLESSED AMPHION AND ZAETHUS HAVE PREPARED A GREAT DEVICE BLESSED BY LORD TZEENTCH'S MIGHT. WITH ITWE SHALL BRING DOWN THESE CAVERNS AND CRUSH THE NECRONS. I WILL CARRY THIS GREAT ARTIFACT INTO THE BOWELS OF THIS PLACE MYSELF. GUARD MY ADVANCE, AND MY WITHDRAWAL. I SHALL NOT GIVE THESE MACHINES THE SATISFACTION OF MY DEATH.
Terminus wrote: Word Bearers are kind of tools as well
HEAR ME WORD BEARERS, TODAY WE DESTROY THE SOULLESS FORCES OF THE STAR GODS! WARP BLESSED AMPHION AND ZAETHUS HAVE PREPARED A GREAT DEVICE BLESSED BY LORD TZEENTCH'S MIGHT. WITH ITWE SHALL BRING DOWN THESE CAVERNS AND CRUSH THE NECRONS. I WILL CARRY THIS GREAT ARTIFACT INTO THE BOWELS OF THIS PLACE MYSELF. GUARD MY ADVANCE, AND MY WITHDRAWAL. I SHALL NOT GIVE THESE MACHINES THE SATISFACTION OF MY DEATH.
I don't get the hate for the Word Bearers, they're pretty badass.
Their fluff certainly makes them sound pretty badass. Theyre one of the more organised legions.
Also, is that sound clip from Dawn of War? Im sure I heard it in Dark Crusade.
Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:THOSE MOTHER-FETHING CAUTION STRIPES THEY WEAR ALL OVER THEIR ARMOUR!! Oh I hate those with such a passion. You're supposed to be the all-conquering seige specialists of chaos lads, not police crime scene investigators or construction workers. You're supposed to be tearing down the palace's of the false Emperor, not building one into a bypass of the A32..
Nitros14 wrote:I don't get the hate for the Word Bearers, they're pretty badass.
It's not really hate, but they are total tools. I mean, come on, the Legions took on the personality traits of their Primarchs, and Lorgar was the ultimate tool to end all tools. His entire purpose in life was to find something to worship and to boss him around. He is the very definition of a tool.
Nitros14 wrote:I don't get the hate for the Word Bearers, they're pretty badass.
It's not really hate, but they are total tools. I mean, come on, the Legions took on the personality traits of their Primarchs, and Lorgar was the ultimate tool to end all tools. His entire purpose in life was to find something to worship and to boss him around. He is the very definition of a tool.
So is Rowboat Girlyman. He is just easier to hate (EDIT: Hate is the wrong word. He is just too much of a poster boy, and annoying) IMO.
At least Lorgar had the decency to be a badass and his Legion decided that they would be an all conquering horde of evil yet pious anti-imperials. They are the best anti-imperial of the Chaos legions. They mirror the imperials thesis perfectly, but in the image of chaos.
Nitros14 wrote:I don't get the hate for the Word Bearers, they're pretty badass.
It's not really hate, but they are total tools. I mean, come on, the Legions took on the personality traits of their Primarchs, and Lorgar was the ultimate tool to end all tools. His entire purpose in life was to find something to worship and to boss him around. He is the very definition of a tool.
So is Rowboat Girlyman. He is just easier to hate (EDIT: Hate is the wrong word. He is just too much of a poster boy, and annoying) IMO.
At least Lorgar had the decency to be a badass and his Legion decided that they would be an all conquering horde of evil yet pious anti-imperials. They are the best anti-imperial of the Chaos legions. They mirror the imperials thesis perfectly, but in the image of chaos.
Rowboat? A tool? I dunno... If by tool you mean he recognized authority and followed it, then you might be right.
And Lorgar was/is not badass. He's a whining piece of filth who couldn't see that slaughtering entire populations in the name of a secular power and then converting them all to a kooky religion was wrong. His dad told him tha and he ran off sobbing into the wilderness and let himself and his Legion become enslaved to pure evil.
And yes, other Legions slaughtered entire populations in the name of a secular power, but then they converted them all to the secular power. If you must kill people, do it right the first time so you never have to do it again.
Right, Lorgar is just a whiny tool. "Waah, daddy doesn't love me, I'm turning to Chaos and starting the Horus Heresy so someone pats me on the head and tells me they approve! Waah!" What a little bitch. 100% of what's wrong with the Imperium "today", as well as every bad thing that led up to it, could be argued to be entirely due to his low self-esteem.
While I'm not fond of the Ultramarines primarch (I mean, he's the complete antithesis of Alpharius/Omegus), his Codex tried to make every other Legion/Chapter as dull and predictable as his own, and in every written account we have of his personality he seems like a pompous jackass with the Imperium's biggest stick up his rectum, he's still not as pathetic as Lorgar.
Grotzooka wrote:And yes, other Legions slaughtered entire populations in the name of a secular power, but then they converted them all to the secular power. If you must kill people, do it right the first time so you never have to do it again.
Little bit of a problem with first slaughtering entire populations and then converting them...
Terminus wrote:Right, Lorgar is just a whiny tool. "Waah, daddy doesn't love me, I'm turning to Chaos and starting the Horus Heresy so someone pats me on the head and tells me they approve! Waah!" What a little bitch. 100% of what's wrong with the Imperium "today", as well as every bad thing that led up to it, could be argued to be entirely due to his low self-esteem.
While I'm not fond of the Ultramarines primarch (I mean, he's the complete antithesis of Alpharius/Omegus), his Codex tried to make every other Legion/Chapter as dull and predictable as his own, and in every written account we have of his personality he seems like a pompous jackass with the Imperium's biggest stick up his rectum, he's still not as pathetic as Lorgar.
Grotzooka wrote:And yes, other Legions slaughtered entire populations in the name of a secular power, but then they converted them all to the secular power. If you must kill people, do it right the first time so you never have to do it again.
Little bit of a problem with first slaughtering entire populations and then converting them...
I am not trolling here but I started reading this thread full of hope and at this point am dissappointed. However I then re read the title and saw it was just you personal view of the Legions and so can be as biased and unjustified in certain cases as you like. Good luck writing the rest of the thread in any case.
5. Run fat boy run. Okay, okay, I'll talk, it's a fair cop-The reason the Death Guard have scored so highly is because I'm currently in the process of adding some to my Chaos Black crusade. If I was grading the legions six or so months ago, then the XIV legion would most likely have scored in seventh or eighth place. But, I'm not, and they're not, so lets look at their merits in my eyes. It's been said once or twice that everyone is similar to a primarch: I know people who are as Angelic and noble as Sanguinius, feirce and hard as Russ, or ambitous and charming as Horus. Well, if that's the case, then I'm Mortarion. I don't speak much, and when I do I'm pretty blunt and to the point. I despise ostentatious, or overly ornermental things. I have a habit of hiding in shadows and not revealing my prescence until I feel like it. And things I build aren't colourful, or elegant, but they last-they are functional and they last. And no, I don't get along particularly well with my siblings, but you know what? When they need me,, I will be there for them. Onto the Death Guard themselves. Though I'm a Tzeentch man at heart, I will always have an imense respect for the Leperous king. Of all the chaos gods, he is the one whose nature leads to the most interesting discussion. He's thought provoking in a way none of the other "Big 4" are. And, unlike his brothers, he lets the Guard be free. Not free from disease, obviously, but they can think for themelves. World Eaters just want to kill everything, Emperor's children have become slave's to their senses, and the Thousand Sons need no explanation. But the sons of Death, as long as they keep spreading the rot in Nurgle's name. I think everyone has the Death Guard wrong-everyone says that they're just fat kids who sit in the corner passing wind. And that isn't what they are at all, in my opinion. Instead, they're those chubby middle age guys sitting on the sofa in their flat, surrounded by empty pizza boxes, one hand down the front of their pants. They can cook, can clean, can socialise-but they don't by choice. They're living in their own filth, and they're loving every minute of it.
This amuses me greatly, however, I would switch the Imperial Fists and the Emperor’s Children place in this list.
Fulgrim is the Anakin Skywalker of 40k, but with more lube. He kills more Primarch’s than even Horus, counting Girllyman as dead...which I do, and even chokes out an Avatar of Khaine with his bare hands. Plus I’ve always loved the concept of sonic weaponry. Though I do hate pink… and Slaanesh, but they’re still the first Chaos army I ever owned. Now it's Iron Warriors all the way.
The coolest thing Rogal Dorn ever did was get his ass kicked by Night Haunter. Yeah, yeah he was there defending the imperial palace and bolstered its defenses helped to build the Golden Throne and yaaaaaaawn. Sanguinius and the Khan actually have sweet stories of the epic BATTLES they fought. Sanguinius fighting the Bloodthirster of all Bloodthirster’s and breaking it over his knee and the Kahn and his legion riding out to counter attack the invading legions, while Dorn sat back and directed supporting fire. Sure he went with the emperor to fight Horus on his ship but so did Sanguinius and a lot of other jerks.
I mean the guy didn’t even have a cool death, all the other primarch’s had an either epic death, disappeared mysteriously, or are now Daemon Princes. Dorn’s ship blew up… neat.
I have nothing against the Iron Fists themselves, save for the unforgivable offence of spawning the worst SM chapter of all time, the Black “we believe in the Emperor better than you do” Templars
Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:It's been said once or twice that everyone is similar to a primarch: I know people who are as Angelic and noble as Sanguinius, feirce and hard as Russ, or ambitous and charming as Horus. Well, if that's the case, then I'm Mortarion. I don't speak much, and when I do I'm pretty blunt and to the point. I despise ostentatious, or overly ornermental things. I have a habit of hiding in shadows and not revealing my prescence until I feel like it. And things I build aren't colourful, or elegant, but they last-they are functional and they last. And no, I don't get along particularly well with my siblings, but you know what? When they need me,, I will be there for them.
Same here.
Keep up the good work, I have been enjoying this list, and eagerly await the top choices.
but id love to see GW do something further with the Alpha legion they could get there own dex!!! omg crafty marines ftw
id love to see the chaos mob going the same way as the marines with a bit more in depth character especially now since demons have fethed off,
i mean they managed to knock out 5 different chapter dex's for the SM's and they only follow one god!!!!!
i used to hate chaos before the HH books but omg its good to see they werent just "cut and dry" scumbag traitors.
those books really make me want to do a chaos army lol thousand sons fething rule btw
i feel now their background has been fleshed out a bit that some of the armies could be expanded on
Terminus wrote:Right, Lorgar is just a whiny tool. "Waah, daddy doesn't love me, I'm turning to Chaos and starting the Horus Heresy so someone pats me on the head and tells me they approve! Waah!" What a little bitch. 100% of what's wrong with the Imperium "today", as well as every bad thing that led up to it, could be argued to be entirely due to his low self-esteem.
totally agree.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Ah What? If you're going on coolness alone you gotta put Death Guard number one. They're my favorite Traitor legion. And I'm just basing that on the pre-nurgle days. They wore unpainted armour and thought the rest of the Legions were riduculus. Mortarion was outright feared by everyone. And they straight up drank pure poison just to show how badass they were.
Let me put it another way. Death guard are really the complete opposite of the Emperor's metrosexual Children. You have rightfully declared them uncoolest legion of all time. Therefore the Death Guard are the Coolest!
4. Gotta catch'em all! The Dark Angels have been recieving a lot of flak so far in this thread, about how they shouldn't be in the top 5-and as they're my secondary army, I feel it is my duty, nay, my privelige to defend them. Cast your minds back five or six years, when a young and bright eyed Fauntleroy who was not yet the ignorant and bitter person who you see before you walked into a strange shop called "gams wurksop". Amzingly, this child managed to walk out without buying anything, but he saw two things that would emblazon themselves onto his memory and rest at the back of his mind for years. One was a strange blue reptllian creature that walked as a man, and the other was a mysterious looking green-armoured warrior wrapped in a cloak. When I returned three or so years ago, it was the month of the Dark Angels release-I recognized them immeadiatly. My first issue of White Dwarf was the Dark Angel 4th ed. release. I always told myself that if I ever started a loyalist marine army that wasn't Imperial fists, it would be the Angels of Caliban. We go way back, and do you want to know why I like them so much? Because they are flawed-not in the silly way of the Wolves or Blood Angels, but flawed in a mental, plausable way. No-one gets wolf eyes and canines as they grow older. No-one sees their ancestors in a fight and goes berserk. But traitors in the family?...that's believable. That could happen to anyone. That could have happened to me. It could have happened to you.And yes, it does make them emos-but they are super emo's. And they are super emo's because they actively DO something about their shame. They don't just sit around and mope, they try and get rid of their problems, though most of the chapter don't even know it. If a few other Imperials get in the way, then tough for them. They're ruthless. They'll stop at nothing for salvation. And I can respect them for it. Of course, theirs the controversial issue of the rules. The Dark Angles are the original terminator equivilant army-and I would wager, the best. Their backstory is also one of the best, an elite Fallen hunting strikeforce who get in and get out with their mission complete before the enemy can say "oh my would you lookee at that we're in a jolly old spot of bother now, aren't we chaps?". Or something like that. The Ravenwing may not be as effective game wise, but it also has good fluff and an awesome name (Ravenwing? F'yeah, stick that in your pipe and smoke it Korydae!). And finally, there's the Greenwing-the Joe average Dark Angles. I have only seen one Greenwing player in the local area, and it's me. And yes, their rules may suck. Yes, they may be uncompetative. But let me tell you something. A few weeks ago, I was at Warhammer world for it's relaunch. There was a Tournament on, too. And all the people with their "optomised" army-the lash princes, the TH/SS Terminators, the Nob bikers-they all had one thing in common. They didn't look happy. They were winning, but they didn't look like they were enjoying themselves. And the people with the "weaker" but well converted armies-the Chaos Dwarfs, the all sanguinary guard, the chaos daemon counts-as Zanatorian machine cult-they were all having fun, or at least they looked like it. And, correct me if I'm just being a stupid and ignorant brat again, but isn't having fun the reason we play this fine game? It's the reason I play, anyway. That is why I still play with the Dark Angels codex for Green wing, and indeed why I play them in the first place. Being the Underdog army is fun, especially when I occasionaly get it together and unleash the beatdown on melta-vet guard. I'm a sword weilding, robe wearing, Fallen hunting member of the First legion, and my chest puffs out with pride whenever I am reminded of that fact.
I do perhaps have one small beef with the Dark Angels, though it is minor; look at the picture at the top of this post. You can't imagine the guy in the center smiling, can you? I can't imagine any son of the Lion smiling. Everything is serious buisness. If I feel pride in them, then they should feel pride in themselves.
Well at least you admit your Biased. I can't fault you for favoring an Army that made you fall in love with the game. Indeed I used to think DAs were the coolest too at times but then one of their codexes revealed how they mindwiped and "dissapeared" their own. I lost respect for them. It made me realize that their secret is not that big a deal. Not worth turning on your own brothers.
I have to say that the Dark angels should be higher. Along with the Black Templar, they are my favorite Space Marine team. Glad to see that the Thousand Sons are still up there.
im a DA player and not 6 hrs ago i beat a new blood angel list with my twin wing and my heart soared a little.
howere i disagree with the emo comment im sorry but the dont hate themselves to get attention and they arent whiny little pussies who are mad at dad.
gutted they aint No1 but again its your list and your opinion and to be fair its made me laugh lots so far, keep up the good work fella
The one thing that could save DAs for me is if the deepest darkest secret that they're trying coverup all they way down there at the bottom of the big pit of secrets is: Lion 'El Johnson is a traitor.
It would explain and justify everything. Some Fallen do indeed claim that (that they are the loyalists) but are tortured until they change their minds. That would be a great swerve but the HH novels seem to be going against this route right now.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Alpha Legion s/b in the bottom 5. If there's any SMs ever than can be called cowards its them. Wussies can't even do their own fighting.
Well yes fighting the whole Imperium directly when they number 10,000 and the Imperium numbers countless billions with some 1,000,000 Space Marines would be wise.
Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:4. Gotta catch'em all!
Anyone know where I can find me one of those swords?
Keep her coming man, I can't wait to find out #1 (It's Alpha, isn't it? You know you want it to be....)
It definatly shouldn't be Tzeentch's Thousand Sons... I mean, seriously, Slaanesh is the god of sex, but Tzeentch has 1k sons.....
It definitely should be the Thousand Sons! Best legion by far, but thats my opinion, feel free to disagree (albeit it wrongly ).
And Slaanesh isnt the God(ess) fof Sex, he'she is the God(ess) of Desire, lust, excess, pleasure, perfection and hedonism. Its just that for most people a lot of those mean sex or are reflected by sex, but thats not strictly what he/she is the God(ess) of.
shakey787 wrote:howere i disagree with the emo comment im sorry but the dont hate themselves to get attention and they arent whiny little pussies who are mad at dad.
Perhaps I misuse the 'Emo' comment-I don't mean that they hate themselves, but as in they are kind of reclusive morbid.
So... Kinda Goth? Emo is such an overused term, although goth doesn't really nail it, youraverage "goth kid" poser fits the bill (not that you see them around anymore, the recluce kind have been mostly supplanted by emos, leaving only the acceptance of death kind. The idea supposedly is to surround yourself with images of mortality, thus overcoming it. Kind of like batman and his fear of bats thing.)
3. Scooby-doo would have a fit. Look at those hats. Look at those mother-fething hats. Those hats are the single most awesome thing in 40k. Marneus Calgar cries himslef to sleep at night because he knows he will never own one of those hats. Look at it. You know you want it. Ahem. Onto the Thousand sons themselves. The 1ksons were my first ever 40k army, and to that I am forever indebted to them. Whilst I currently walk the path of Nurgle, at heart I'm a Tzeentch worshipper. He is calculating, he is intelligent, and he always have a plan-and when you live somewhere where the most common thought going through peoples mind is "sex", someone who knows what he is doing is a refreshing change. I may not be smart, but I would still like to think that Tzeencth would be happy I followed him. And, in the end-Rubric marines are cool. They're ghost warriors, under the direct command of their sorceror's-and I like that. It gives them a physical purpose instead of juct killing for killings sake. Ahriman is a cool kid (come on, don't tell me you don't love the fact that one of the most powerful sorceror's in the galaxy can't get into a library guarded by clowns ), even if his rules suck hard, and he should be in some Black library books. Come on, if the Crimson fails get their own novels, then he should. I have to say, you gotta feel sorry for Magnus. He was the only one of the Primarchs who truly understood the nature of Chaos, and could see Horus' fall coming. And when he tried to alert his brother and farther to this threat, what did he get in return? The full might of the Wolves of Russ on his beloved homeworld. Yeah, everyone says my beloved Thousand sons suck. And you know what I say to that? "Just. As. Planned."
Yeah, that's pretty much the bedrock of my playing stratagy-unnerve the foe, always make out you have a plan and it's proceddeing as you want it to even when you don't and it isn't.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Alpha Legion s/b in the bottom 5. If there's any SMs ever than can be called cowards its them. Wussies can't even do their own fighting.
Well yes fighting the whole Imperium directly when they number 10,000 and the Imperium numbers countless billions with some 1,000,000 Space Marines would be wise.
They're just not dumb.
Yes because they would fight the whole Imperium at once. In case you didn't notice all that other Chapters fight in battles on a pretty regular basis; being that they're soldiers and all. Alpha Legion avoids fighting at all costs: cowards.
@KamikazeCanuck : What would you rather : fight against 5 or 10 200-pound guys and get beaten to bloody shreds like a hero or kick them in the ballz one by one when they're not looking?
Wooo! At least the Thousand Sons made it into the top three. Getting the bronze is still good.
I love the last line 'Just. As. Planned'. Pretty much sums up Tzeentch perfectly. And youre right, Magnus' downfall was tragic. The Emperor could have saved the imperium if he had put aside his doubt and fear and listened to one of his sons!
Word Bearers and Alpha Legion left, eh? Im gonna take a stab at guessing who ranks top....
Im going with Alpha Legion. I just have a feeling.
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KamikazeCanuck wrote:Alpha Legion s/b in the bottom 5. If there's any SMs ever than can be called cowards its them. Wussies can't even do their own fighting.
Well yes fighting the whole Imperium directly when they number 10,000 and the Imperium numbers countless billions with some 1,000,000 Space Marines would be wise.
They're just not dumb.
Yes because they would fight the whole Imperium at once. In case you didn't notice all that other Chapters fight in battles on a pretty regular basis; being that they're soldiers and all. Alpha Legion avoids fighting at all costs: cowards.
No youve got it wrong. They dont avoid fighting, they just refuse to fight unless its on their terms.
Theyre all about deceit, misdirection and surprise, so of course they wont be involved in as many straight up fights as some of the more single minded legions.
aka_tizz wrote:@KamikazeCanuck : What would you rather : fight against 5 or 10 200-pound guys and get beaten to bloody shreds like a hero or kick them in the ballz one by one when they're not looking?
If I'm a Space Marine I want to shoot them in the face. That's why most of us play wargames that represent shooting people. Just look at any real life soldier. If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah". Same with every single Space marine Chapter and Legion.....except the Alpha Legion. They'll say "let me talk to that guy over there and see if he feels like fightin for me." Therefore a US Marine is cooler than an Alpha Legion Marine. An Alpha Legion guy avoids storming the beach, normal marine asks for it. Feth, normal Guard ask for it after spending 10 months barracked in the hold of a ship.
KamikazeCanuck wrote: If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah".
Your example is incomplete, it should be like "If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight someone he actually has some chance of destroying he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah". " However, ask the same USMC grunt if he wants to fight 100 AK-47 equipped terrorists, and he'll say "FETH NO! You go fight'em!"
Choosing not to go to open war against someone much much more numerous, better armed and armoured than you is not cowardice, is smartness. Choosing to go to open war against someone much much more numerous, better armed and armoured than you is truly heroic, but ultimately stupid
And the Alpha Legion will fight if they have to, but it simply won't be the conventional honourable fight you would expect. Their way of doing it is just a means to an end : destruction of their enemies
KamikazeCanuck wrote: If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah".
Your example is incomplete, it should be like "If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight someone he actually has some chance of destroying he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah". "
However, ask the same USMC grunt if he wants to fight 100 AK-47 equipped terrorists, and he'll say "FETH NO! You go fight'em!"
Disagree. US Army regularly fights 100 AK-47 equiped terrorists. And any Astartes would take odds worse than that......except Alpha Legion.
Example: The Iron Snakes were tasked by the Emperor to protect The Reef stars which they did for thousands of years. Unfortunately for them one day it was invaded by about 1 BILLION orks. It dawned on them that this would be it. This is how their chapter would die. Nonetheless, there simply was nothing that could be done. Duty and honour demanded they face oblivion with a stiff uppper lip. That's badass.
What would the Alpha Legion do? Run. Run and break their vows. That's why their one of the traitor legion. They actually believe in the Emperor but they were afraid they might lose. They were afraid to fight for Emperor.
aka_tizz wrote:@KamikazeCanuck : What would you rather : fight against 5 or 10 200-pound guys and get beaten to bloody shreds like a hero or kick them in the ballz one by one when they're not looking?
If I'm a Space Marine I want to shoot them in the face. That's why most of us play wargames that represent shooting people. Just look at any real life soldier. If you ask a USMC grunt if he wants to fight he'll say "Hell yeah!" or "Hoo-Rah". Same with every single Space marine Chapter and Legion.....except the Alpha Legion. They'll say "let me talk to that guy over there and see if he feels like fightin for me." Therefore a US Marine is cooler than an Alpha Legion Marine. An Alpha Legion guy avoids storming the beach, normal marine asks for it. Feth, normal Guard ask for it after spending 10 months barracked in the hold of a ship.
Maybe I'm of base in the Lore but IIRC Alpha Legion believe in attacking from every direction possible, coordinated teamwork and using initiative in the field. They also fight in a guerrilla fashion as many of them operate continuously behind enemy lines. What is the point of storming the beach if you can get one of the guards to let you in the back door? Is it cowardice to win?
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Disagree. US Army regularly fights 100 AK-47 equiped terrorists. And any Astartes would take odds worse than that......except Alpha Legion.
Yes, they do, but it's not in the matter 1 vs the whole 100. Actually the US Army are actually quite numerous and more than capable than taking out their enemies in direct combat
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Example: The Iron Snakes were tasked by the Emperor to protect The Reef stars which they did for thousands of years. Unfortunately for them one day it was invaded by about 1 BILLION orks. It dawned on them that this would be it. This is how their chapter would die. Nonetheless, there simply was nothing that could be done. Duty and honour demanded they face oblivion with a stiff uppper lip. That's badass.
Yes it is, but i think they didn't have the choice of fighting Alpha Legion-style, and even if they did, i don't think they would have taken it. It's just not them. Also it wouldn't have been the way the Legion would have done it. They probably would have hit at the warboss then watch the Orks infight for power.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:What would the Alpha Legion do? Run. Run and break their vows. That's why their one of the traitor legion.
Run and break their vows? Where did you get that one from?
KamikazeCanuck wrote:They actually believe in the Emperor but they were afraid they might lose. They were afraid to fight for Emperor.
Have you read Legion? If they were afraid of something, it definitely wouldn't have been fighting for the Emperor. I believe it actually takes more guts to fight against him.
Different ways of waging a war don't make for classifications into "badass" and "softass" categories. They are what they are - different ways of waging a war. And you can't accuse a Space Marine, be it loyalist or traitor, of fear or cowardice. A Space Marine is exactly the opposite of those, no matter how he chooses to wage his wars
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Disagree. US Army regularly fights 100 AK-47 equiped terrorists. And any Astartes would take odds worse than that......except Alpha Legion.
Yes, they do, but it's not in the matter 1 vs the whole 100. Actually the US Army are actually quite numerous and more than capable than taking out their enemies in direct combat
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Example: The Iron Snakes were tasked by the Emperor to protect The Reef stars which they did for thousands of years. Unfortunately for them one day it was invaded by about 1 BILLION orks. It dawned on them that this would be it. This is how their chapter would die. Nonetheless, there simply was nothing that could be done. Duty and honour demanded they face oblivion with a stiff uppper lip. That's badass.
Yes it is, but i think they didn't have the choice of fighting Alpha Legion-style, and even if they did, i don't think they would have taken it. It's just not them. Also it wouldn't have been the way the Legion would have done it. They probably would have hit at the warboss then watch the Orks infight for power.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:What would the Alpha Legion do? Run. Run and break their vows. That's why their one of the traitor legion.
Run and break their vows? Where did you get that one from?
KamikazeCanuck wrote:They actually believe in the Emperor but they were afraid they might lose. They were afraid to fight for Emperor.
Have you read Legion? If they were afraid of something, it definitely wouldn't have been fighting for the Emperor. I believe it actually takes more guts to fight against him.
Different ways of waging a war don't make for classifications into "badass" and "softass" categories. They are what they are - different ways of waging a war. And you can't accuse a Space Marine, be it loyalist or traitor, of fear or cowardice. A Space Marine is exactly the opposite of those, no matter how he chooses to wage his wars
Because.... they Broke their vows to the Emperor.
Yes, I read Legion. And that's why I really started to dislike them. I was expecting to read about some Astartes fighting or something along thoses line. But Abnett correctly remembered Alpha Legion doesn't do a lot of fighting. And most of that book centers on Humans trying to figure out if The Alpha Legion is even doing anything. OK, so it takes alot of courage to face the Emperor. I'll Agree with that. SO THEN WERE WERE THEY!?! They didn't even fight at the battle of the Emperor's Palace. They figured out there's no hiding in that one, you have to act like a real marine and they buggered off. Cowards!
KamikazeCanuck wrote:
Because.... they Broke their vows to the Emperor.
Yes, I read Legion. And that's why I really started to dislike them. I was expecting to read about some Astartes fighting or something along thoses line. But Abnett correctly remembered Alpha Legion doesn't do a lot of fighting. And most of that book centers on Humans trying to figure out if The Alpha Legion is even doing anything. OK, so it takes alot of courage to face the Emperor. I'll Agree with that. SO THEN WERE WERE THEY!?! They didn't even fight at the battle of the Emperor's Palace. They figured out there's no hiding in that one, you have to act like a real marine and they buggered off. Cowards!
Sure they're traitors and cowards. Traitors and cowards that are still undefeated after 10,000 years. What are you going to do about it 'Charge the front gates in broad daylight' boy? Nyah nyah!
KamikazeCanuck wrote:SO THEN WERE WERE THEY!?! They didn't even fight at the battle of the Emperor's Palace. They figured out there's no hiding in that one, you have to act like a real marine and they buggered off. Cowards!
They were busy keeping White Scars and Space Wolves reinforcements in check. If anything, it does take courage to fight Space Wolves. And if i remember correctly, they even won against them
And after the end of the Heresy, they were the ones who didn't run to safety in the Eye and instead went to engage the Ultramarines, beating the crap out of them right after their Primarch (supposedly) got whacked, forcing the smurfs to go up into orbit and bomb the planet from above. That's quite conclusive proof against their cowardice, i believe
And as about Legion, i get exactly what i was expecting. A different way to make war from a different Legion
Did you guys know that there hasn't been a major battle involving The Alpha Legion in the last 10,000 years? I know you guys are going to say "that's cuz their smart". Fine, perhaps they are. But they are not cool.
When it comes down to a choice between
a) Fighting
b) Hiding
The Legion will always, always choose option B. I guess that's some people's thing but I prefer my Space Marines acting like soldiers. Just a personal preference.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Did you guys know that there hasn't been a major battle involving The Alpha Legion in the last 10,000 years?
Not that we would know of
KamikazeCanuck wrote:I know you guys are going to say "that's cuz their smart"
Nope, didn't bring out that. Not in this post, at least.
And they may not be to you, but to me they are cool just because they are different and unrestricted by the conventions every other Legion or Chapter abides by. And nothing you say would change that.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Just a personal preference.
Same here. As you would defend your favorite Chapter / Legion, so do I, even if in the end it's all about a game
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Did you guys know that there hasn't been a major battle involving The Alpha Legion in the last 10,000 years? I know you guys are going to say "that's cuz their smart". Fine, perhaps they are. But they are not cool.
When it comes down to a choice between
a) Fighting
b) Hiding
The Legion will always, always choose option B. I guess that's some people's thing but I prefer my Space Marines acting like soldiers. Just a personal preference.
Hey man if the ideal of what's 'cool' didn't differ between Chaos players and Imperial players we wouldn't have a game now would we?
Sure we would just everyone would have the same army. Course some people think that is kinda the way it is with SMs anyway but I guess they can be quite different within themselves too.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Did you guys know that there hasn't been a major battle involving The Alpha Legion in the last 10,000 years? I know you guys are going to say "that's cuz their smart". Fine, perhaps they are. But they are not cool.
When it comes down to a choice between
a) Fighting
b) Hiding
The Legion will always, always choose option B. I guess that's some people's thing but I prefer my Space Marines acting like soldiers. Just a personal preference.
I get what your saying. But have you noticed that in the background Chaos marines eventually lose/draw all open battles/campaigns? This frustrates me often. Chaos couldn't even win Vraks. So maybe they are on to something.
KamikazeCanuck wrote:Did you guys know that there hasn't been a major battle involving The Alpha Legion in the last 10,000 years? I know you guys are going to say "that's cuz their smart". Fine, perhaps they are. But they are not cool.
When it comes down to a choice between
a) Fighting
b) Hiding
The Legion will always, always choose option B. I guess that's some people's thing but I prefer my Space Marines acting like soldiers. Just a personal preference.
I get what your saying. But have you noticed that in the background Chaos marines eventually lose/draw all open battles/campaigns? This frustrates me often. Chaos couldn't even win Vraks. So maybe they are on to something.
That's because they have forsook their oaths to the Emperor and cannot automatically regroup a squad after it has failed a morale check! Cowards.
2. Even WE don't know who's side we're on anymore. It was an incredibly tough descicion between the Alpha legion and the legion you've no doubt worked out is my favourite by now. And in the end, the Alpha's won not because they are any less cool, but just because I favour the other one a little more. There's been a pretty heated discussion so far about whether the Alpha legion are cowards; I'll try to refrain from commenting on that. Rather, I will explain why I like them. The Alpha legion are good because of two reasons, the first being because they offer something diiferent to the "gung-ho" tactics of other Marine armies. Thats not to say that style of warfare is bad, but that's not the point. If any Chaos force wil get to Terra, it will probably be the Alpha's. They think through their plans in advance, and don't go to war unless they think they can win. Whilst they are sadly becoming more and more anarchic, and just another chaos warband, it's nice that for now they are the thinking man's force if you play them fluffy. However, no matter how cool they are in the current timeline, thats nothing compared to how much ass-kicking they dished out Pre-heresy. I have one model from that 'era' of 40k, and it's an Alpha legion captain. I know I said I'm most like Morty, but Alpharius Omegon is definatly my favourite. I already know the twist in Legion, but it's stil the only Horus heresy book currently available that I can't wait to read (if you don't know the twist; you're in for a corker). The thing about Alpharius is that I understand him-all his brother's hated him. And, you remember when they stormed that fortress? They could have taken it with a single descive strike, but instead they allowed the hapless foe to dig in before being ruthlessly taken apart. And do you know what their reason was? "It would have been to easy." Thats great, I love that. The XX legion has a cool colour scheme-the scales reinforce the Hydra theme without going overboard. Whilst I could never have the skill to paint them, I can non the less respect it. I don't own an Alpha legion army, and probably never will, but that's okay, because for something to be special it sometimes has to be unobtainable.
A legion so inactive that its been declared extinct 3 times by the Imperium. Upon spotting another one of these guys hiding in a remote location the Imperium was like "oh, I guess there not. Oh well, don't worry". Now that's Space Marines.
Okay, so I'm just a lurker on 40k boards, but the nonsense in the last two pages of this thread forced my hand.
Alpha Legion tactics are not to hide, they are simply unconventional compared to the Codex style of "line up in front of the enemy guns, men! now CHARGE!" Their goal is never-ending innovation and pursuit of perfection in their combat doctrine. Hell, Alpharius was known to take a more difficult and complicated route to victory just to make it more interesting, or disappear on the eve of battle to test his troops' initiative and ability to function on their own. That's why they've owned every other Space Marine chapter they've faced in combat, including the supposedly uber Space Wolves and Ultramarines. Horus' most successful moment, the Istvaan massacre, was likely planned by the Alpha Legion. Without them running interference, the assault on Holy Terra would have been over before it began. To this day, their innumerous cults (which are frequently extremely well trained, equipped and organized, rather than just easily-dealt with drooling idiot-fanatics) are a far bigger thorn in the Imperium's side than all of Failbaddon's Crusades put together. The reason "we don't know about any major battles they've been involved in" is because when the Alpha Legion finally plays its hand, there is no one left alive to report of it. A single squad of Alpha Legion warriors can subvert a whole planet or even star system; entire sub-sectors will suddenly rise in revolt and fall to Chaos, eliminating loyalist opposition so swiftly that it takes decades if not centuries for the Imperium to realize their loss (usually when some Administratum adept notices they haven't gotten any taxes from that system in a good 200 years).
@Little Lord Fauntleroy: I've enjoyed this little list, but please please please, for the love of all that is holy (or unholy, your choice), please look up possessive apostrophes. Sentences like this:
Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:No-one see's their ancestor's in a fight and goes berserk. But traitor's in the family?
... are more painful to read than DIY/fanfics about "corupted rouge traders falling to korn and betraying the emporer and having to fight the angles of blood".
Now, I'm no grammar nazi, and I understand typos happen, but seeing such an elementary mistake made over and over is more annoying than "First!" posts.
1. And at number 1, Fauntleroy's favourite marines, winner of this thread, and most bad-ass legion ever to grace the warhammer 40'000-verse is...the Word Bearers!
Yeah, I love the Word Bearers. Bite me. The Word bearers are, in my view, the best legion (and quite possibly best faction overall) in the Warhammer 40'000 game. They're the ones that started it all, the first brotherhood of Space Marines to accept the glorifying power of chaos, and the only one's who openly dared to show their brothers what it could do. "But wait!", I hear you cry, "in the Alpha legion and Iron warriors ratings, you implied that relying on chaos was a bad thing. Aha! Little lord Fauntleroy has got it wrong!" Well, hold on a minute. The reason the Alpha Legion and Iron warriors don't need chaos is that that isn't their point-the point of those legions is to fight in the mind (in the case of the XXth) or against the body (in the case of the IVth) of the enemy.The Word bearers fight in the heart. They take the enemy and make him doubt, make him wonder, make him see the truth-that the Emperor doesn't give a doss about them. But Chaos will, and the Word Bearers prove that with deadly efficiency. The Night Lords may take a planet from the Imperium, but the XVIIth legion will deliver it to the true gods. And the Word Bearers themselves are awesome guys. I could go into a long rant defending Lorgar, as I know a lot of people have something against the poor lad, but I won't unless someone really wants to hear it. Kor Phaeron is the man...the legend. Erebus...fine, fine,I concede with you about him, but he did give me the inspiration for one of my parody songs, so for that I am forever greatfull. As a bonus, anything they touch seems to turn to gold. Eliphas was the only truly awesome DOW chaos commander (primarily becuase he wasn't concerned abot Sindri, Blud fur the Blud god, or cowards and fewls in metal bawkes), even if he is hanging around withe the Black Legion nowadays. The Word Bearers trilogy was pure sex for the mind, right up their with Cadian Blood and The Horus heresy series. The First heretic looks like it's going to be awesome. Hell, I suspect the Word Bearers could make a Uwe Boll film watchable. The Word Bearers are cool because they don't hide away from chaos, or try and master it. They welcome it as a brother with open arms. They haven't forgotten the original mission, to get to Terra and kill the Emperor. And in the end...the Word Bearers are cool, because they have a purpose that is not just frenzied, mindless, and in the end pointless killing.
Happy Gaming everyone. And praise the Word of Lorgar.
Good list. I personally loath the Word Bearers, but your reasoning is well put together and makes sense.
Well, not this part.
Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:...make him see the truth-that the Emperor doesn't give a doss about them. But Chaos will, and the Word Bearers prove that with deadly efficiency.
Does Chaos actually give a dross about those that follow it? I dunno about that. Can you prove it, or is it just the Book of Lorgar talking?
Grotzooka wrote:Good list. I personally loath the Word Bearers, but your reasoning is well put together and makes sense.
Well, not this part.
Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:...make him see the truth-that the Emperor doesn't give a doss about them. But Chaos will, and the Word Bearers prove that with deadly efficiency.
Does Chaos actually give a dross about those that follow it? I dunno about that. Can you prove it, or is it just the Book of Lorgar talking?
Anyway, great job. This was really fun to read.
It's Chaos, Anything is possible .
Necroagogo wrote:Excellent write-up from start to finish! Just one question, though: glossing over the debacle that was 'Battle for the Abyss', are we?
Battle for the abyss doesn't count, they shared with Smurfs, and the Word Bearers in there suffered from being generic easy to kill bad guy minions.
Absolutely great thread Fauntleroy, it's been a pleasure to read - you should give yourself a pat on the back.
Your reasoning behind the decisions has been nigh-on-perfect! You accepted the Legions flaws, you accepted their qualities and you built around that. You have helped to enlighten me ( I am the kind of person that's reasonable and will listen to an argument if it's worth listening to, changing my opinion if I see 'the light' and fallacy behind what I was saying - try it sometime 'KamikazeCanuck').
Hell, I've always liked a lot of Iron Warriors fluff (although they are a bit OTT with some grudges - ie. Iron Cage) but you make a great point about them, they are quite simply, badass. Like with the aforementioned Iron Cage, it's a stupid mistake, yes. it failed, yes. But it also shows the personality of their legion and its true nastiness.
I agree with the top four almost entirely:
- Dark Angels - I hate their 'emo-ness' and self importance, putting their own problems (The Fallen) before the people they are supposed to protect (Imperium), however, they revel in it and it only adds to their character. it's a flaw, but what a flaw! It's not boringness or simple-mindedness, it's sheer complicated self-redemption.
- Alpha legion - like yourself "Whilst I could never have the skill to paint them, I can non the less respect it. I don't own an Alpha legion army, and probably never will, but that's okay, because for something to be special it sometimes has to be unobtainable." I love their fluff, but I simply can't live up to it!
- Word Bearers - The started the heresy, they revel in their devotion. Initially I thought the Alpha legion should've been first, but after hearing your reasoning I can completely agree with the Word Bearer's triumph. The Horus-Heresy, this great storyline and bedrock to 40K alone is enough.
- However, as you might expect, I feel the Wolves deserve to be a little higher. Admittedly they do go over-the-top with the whole wolf theme (although so do Blood Angels) but they simply are the most bad-ass loyalist legion there is. They are good - possibly the best - at what Space Marines are supposed to be good at, winning fights and protecting the Imperium. Much like myself, they may not do things in the most attractive way possible, but they do it none-the-less. I love the way the rebel against injustice (ie. Armaggedon exterminatus) , protect the little people and really are so damn good at what they do. Yes, they're flawed, I dislike the whole drunk, angry, arrogant gakker thing, but nothing's perfect. And in regards to your description of them as "'that' guy-the guy who smokes, who drinks, who does drugs, who starts the fights, who sleeps with different women every week-but everyone stil likes them. Except me." whilst true to an extent, unlike this person, they'll put others before them and stand up for injustice. The Dark Angels only care for themselves (which I now like as it adds to them), but the Space Wolves will stand up for what's right. That's true heroism and that's what inspires me about them.
I almost completely agree with your ranking and I could probably go on for a while kissing your ass and saying how much I agree, but I shant! Good Work LLF.
Great list. I enjoyed reading and sometimes I would go "yeah! Some one else thinks like me" while other times I'd think "what!? This fool and I have nothing in common." I was glad to see the Alpha Legion and DA get the props they deserve.
Just Dave wrote:Absolutely great thread Fauntleroy, it's been a pleasure to read - you should give yourself a pat on the back.
Your reasoning behind the decisions has been nigh-on-perfect! You accepted the Legions flaws, you accepted their qualities and you built around that. You have helped to enlighten me ( I am the kind of person that's reasonable and will listen to an argument if it's worth listening to, changing my opinion if I see 'the light' and fallacy behind what I was saying - try it sometime 'KamikazeCanuck').
uh, that goes both ways buddy.
Automatically Appended Next Post: I don't know about coolest/most badass. Something about being rightfully told you father is not God by your father causing you to strive for the destruction of everything he created always seemed a little oversensitive for a superhuman to me.
However, its pretty easy to make the case that The Word Bearers are the most important legion ever. Somewhere along the line Horus got all the credit for going over to Chaos first but indeed he was merely a pawn the whole time to the Word. If it weren't for Lorgar (and really Erebus who may by the most important figure in history nobody's heard of) the 40k universe we all know and love just wouldn't be as grim, dark and full of unending war. And what fun would that be?
In other news, I just gotta say, that as much as the word bearers primarch was one of the most nerve-grating charecters in all of fiction, he did form a pretty cool legion when the dust settled. I personally would have put them quite low (lower than IW or IF, certainly) just because they had an embarassing family member.
I'm not so bothered about Loken, he'd probably burst into tears if he found a Sparrow with a broken wing).
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