Hard nosed about everything. I’ve yet to see that many treads end nicely. They usually end up being locked for the kind of trash that we would not say to each others faces. Is it me or does this forum live up to its name of “bang bang“. Shoot first then drag the body off later. It just seems compared to other sites such as warseer. That its very cut throat here. Now don’t get me wrong I know that there are jerks everywhere. It just seems that the way people are treated here amounts to a pissing contest or a beat down of others opinions. Now I have had some good times here on Dakka. I’ve even made some money and off loaded extra minis in trades. Yet I find it every harder to come back. In fact if it was not for the New friends treads link I might not be drawn back at all.

So rant over how do others feel about this?
I’m I wrong, misguided, a hopeless foul.
What do you think?

Comments welcome
Thank you for your time

Lack of adequate moderation causes people to revert to less civil behavior more quickly then they would in other forums.

I don't get what you mean. In the off topic there are alot of very flammable topics about religion and politics which seem to end in locks but the vast majority of threads don't get locked and are usually friendly.


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ShumaGorath wrote:Lack of adequate moderation causes people to revert to less civil behavior more quickly then they would in other forums.

Out of the forums I've been on, I think Dakka has had the best moderating. Some forums are just really bad, so It can really get alot worse.

ShumaGorath wrote:Lack of adequate moderation causes people to revert to less civil behavior more quickly then they would in other forums.

I hereby offer myself up for mod status.

Or do I have to have 3000+ posts?

Damn.

What do you mean by 'best you've ever had'? Do you mean in terms of the forums I've used?

This is the first one I've used, and I must say it's been good enough that I don't use any others. It is harsh, but that's basically because it isn't the type of human interaction where you meet face-to-face and have a bit of a chat. The people you meet on here are basically just words on a page - opinions, thoughts and views. THOSE are what people are arguing with when they do so. Try not to take it personally.

Rampant mongolism, reinforced by inconsistent moderation (eg people can be suspended for creating amusing threads like this one http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/295597.page, but not for being absolute cretins).

Adequate moderation is probably a hard balance, after all it requires a certain measure of subjective judgement, and I fear it's almost impossible to achieve. How can the moderators hope to form an effective filter if some are themselves po-faced dunces and/or boorish imbeciles? I think this is the crux.

I really think it's all a matter of what you get yourself into. You will have a very pleasant experience as long as you don't drag yourself into a discussion that may make you feel uncomfortable.
If you can't take the heat, get out of the flame war.
Greetsz,
Mr. Self Destruct

It's because this is the internet.

It really is true.. you know.

Personally, I blame Texas. Then again I blame Texas for most everything, even that funny smell Sunblock has. So I'm not really unbiased.

Everyone gets to wear a mask to the party...

Internet anonymity facilitates rudeness and abrasive behaviour. It also warps sarcasm, dry wit etc since those things are measured with body language and tone/inference in ordinary conversation.

The moderation on dakka grants a far longer leash than many of it's near neighbours, this allows more freedom for people to express themselves and within that, more freedom for people to express themselves negatively.

Dakka has the reputation via the YMDC, army lists etc and it's heavy tourney player presence to be more abrasive. For the most part, it's a better system. Many here will tell you they've been kicked from the other sites over what they considered trivial misdemeanours.
The mods will lock threads that degenerate and suspend or ban overly aggressive posters. They are loath to perma-ban it seems.

For the most part, it's a better system. Many here will tell you they've been kicked from the other sites over what they considered trivial misdemeanours.
The mods will lock threads that degenerate and suspend or ban overly aggressive posters. They are loath to perma-ban it seems.

I strongly disagree that the distanced approach works in the sites favor. I've been on quite a few forums and the level of childish tantrum throwing and spam on this site certainly rivals the worst I've seen. The mods absolutely refuse to ban people for flagrant and repeated misdemeanors, only using their powers to really police the more hardcore hobby based forums (it took how long to ban stelek? While green bow fly is still around?). This site has a reputation as whiny and childish, and it's not really undeserved.

Edited , because i know few people will purposely take this out of context :')

In defense of the Moderation team, I'd like to point out that they're neither paid nor trained to moderate.

Edited , because i know few people will purposely take this out of context :')

Oh god... i edited wrong post -_- .... $%$*^&

Thus i have seek mod for help before , i even mention to him that there are numerous people asking why are the trolls still around when
my retorting action landed me a temp ban. The mod blatantly replied that he refuse to believe such people existed.
By then i was furious to be called a liar which then the mod told me " why dont they just PM me instead? are they such nancy? "

Do you realize that you are one of the most prevalent (and likely unintentional) trolls on dakka? You get reported with some regularity.

After all it was a choice , a choice to make the forum a relaxed + friendly environment
vs
zero tolerance no strike policy like other forums.

You do realize that there are more than just absolute draconian control and total irresponsibility correct? This isn't a black and white issue.

Thats why im still here , i like the more relaxed environment.

Your previous post seemed to imply that you disliked it because you are harassed often.

Personally I like the easy going atmosphere that Dakka has created, it makes the forum seem more goofy and wild, something I found lacking from warseer.

Do you realize that you are one of the most prevalent (and likely unintentional) trolls on dakka? You get reported with some regularity.

Troll either are , or are not. One does not unintentionally troll because that defeats the whole purpose of trolls.

I get reported because of my fierce stance against trolls , im a white blood cell , and the troll = disease.
Im willing to be destroyed aslong as the disease is gone.

TBH i find it abit hilarious that out of all people , you have the face to bring this up to me. Certainly you are a troll.

You do realize that there are more than just absolute draconian control and total irresponsibility correct? This isn't a black and white issue.

Who ever said it was black and white? I just said , a balance is easiest achieved if everyone is treated equally ,
leniency to some might be seen as favoritism.

Your previous post seemed to imply that you disliked it because you are harassed often.

Well thats your opinion. I like Dakka's members , and i dislike the people that harasses me. Shoulnt be that hard to comprehend?

LunaHound wrote:Humans dont seek quantity or quality for balance.

All they need is equality

What?

Shuma, if the mods were more strict with Perma-Bans do you really think you wouldn't get the stick as badly as any of the ones you seem to have a problem with?

I love Dakka. The mods respond when you report something, and are pretty proactive when it actually matters. I like the leniency, since it allows for more organic conversation. If I have a real problem with someone I'll put them on ignore. Don't change a thing!

I've been on other forums. Too little moderation is better than too much.(I'm looking right at you 40kO.)

1st I’m glad I’m not alone on this issue. 2nd I do agree a total police force is not the way to go.
That said I have noticed that the hammer (mods) falls as it wants. Not due to content most of the time.
I have received strong warnings before about this or that. When posters in the same tread are not even dealt with. They repeatedly get by. When I myself must watch what I say and make sure its not offensive to anyone or my treads are locked and “you watch yourself sonny” is handed out with a black mark to boot.

It does seem as that Dakka needs a mod for the mods?

Monster Rain wrote:Shuma, if the mods were more strict with Perma-Bans do you really think you wouldn't get the stick as badly as any of the ones you seem to have a problem with?

I love Dakka. The mods respond when you report something, and are pretty proactive when it actually matters. I like the leniency, since it allows for more organic conversation. If I have a real problem with someone I'll put them on ignore. Don't change a thing!

I've been on other forums. Too little moderation is better than too much.(I'm looking right at you 40kO.)

QFT.

Err.... There are Admins, two of 'em.

And I remember when a thread like this was posted before and a Mod said that most warnings are handed out by Private Messages, so you don't see people get warned.

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:1st I’m glad I’m not alone on this issue. 2nd I do agree a total police force is not the way to go.
That said I have noticed that the hammer (mods) falls as it wants. Not due to content most of the time.
I have received strong warnings before about this or that. When posters in the same tread are not even dealt with. They repeatedly get by. When I myself must watch what I say and make sure its not offensive to anyone or my treads are locked and “you watch yourself sonny” is handed out with a black mark to boot.

How the hell do you even know that? Mods don't publish the list of warning PMs sent to users, nor the suspensions that follow.

Dakka is the only forum I post on a regular basis,and for the most part I enjoy the experince.
Even when people disagree,it's interesting to see peoples points of view concerning various "hot button" topics

Its simply. All you have to do is keep track of who said what and track their post. Its easy to see that I have been beaten over the head for some of the same comments posted by others. While the others keep posting what they feel like and they are still allowed to post.

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:Its simply. All you have to do is keep track of who said what and track their post. Its easy to see that I have been beaten over the head for some of the same comments posted by others. While the others keep posting what they feel like and they are still allowed to post.

Well having a higher post count and a good reputation does sometimes allow you to get away with things.

You were issued these warnings In PMs I assume, so people don't know if you have been warned or not. You don't know whether people have been warned or not if it's done through PM's. End of story.

Cheesecat wrote:

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:Its simply. All you have to do is keep track of who said what and track their post. Its easy to see that I have been beaten over the head for some of the same comments posted by others. While the others keep posting what they feel like and they are still allowed to post.

Well having a higher post count and a good reputation does sometimes allow you to get away with things.

Good reputation, maybe.

Higher post count? No.

It's just like if you're a student with good grades and no history of being in trouble, then get into a fight. You're going to be looked at with a bit of leniency since it's out of character.

I like it. i think people are more real here then i know in real life.

I am sure im going to get flammed for this, but for the most part im going to have to agree with Shuma and his points on this one.

And Luna, I have to say...

You saying that you are the anti troll while you defend he who shall not be named blindly makes you, in this case, a blatent hypocrite.

That being said, I do understand the position the mods are in. And I do know that some mods are trying to do more to solve this problem, but are haveing their hands tied so to speak by others behind closed doors thus limiting what they can do.

I myself feel that a firmer hand against self proclaimed and blatent trolls of any order is in order on this site.

My two cents.

I have to admit I like dakka far better then Warseer, god only knows how many warnings Ive had over the years over there, plus for some pretty stupid things. I chat more on our local forums but delve into dakka the most after those.

There's probably about 30 warnings sent out each day here at the moment, but the vast, vast majority are PMs.

We cant be everything to everyone and we dont try to be. First and foremost it has to be somewhere yakface and I enjoy visiting. Then the mods who have to deal with users, then the rest of the dakka mod team, then the DCMs, then the registered users and finally non-registered visitors.

Those are the priorities for enjoyment but modding is pretty even and fair handed. Mods have had warnings from admins. DCMs and users have had warnings and bans from mods.

If you dont like a discussion, click the ignore button on users who annoy you and things will be filtered automatically for you. If you like things people say, use the friend button and you can view any threads they start, giving you a nice filtered view.

Different areas of dakka have different levels of friendliness. If somewhere is too caustic for you, read a different part of the site, or find a specialist forum dealing with that topic. There are plenty of other offtopic, video games, etc forums out there that do a better job than us for those topics.

We all have our favourite parts of the site and areas that we dont like so much. The site is generally designed to let you tune your experience around the areas that you feel happiest in.

From what other people say in my FLGS and on other wargaming forms that Dakka Dakka's Off-Topic forms are really brutal so I usually stay on painting & modeling topics

Are they that brutal?

Killkrazy and Frazzled seem to keep a pretty tight lid on the ourageous stuff. At least they're the ones that I notice on OT. I think some people are just a bit too sensitive. I happen to enjoy people speaking plainly.

Nurglitch wrote:In defense of the Moderation team, I'd like to point out that they're neither paid nor trained to moderate.

And the Winner For "Best" Backhanded Compliment goes to...

jp400 wrote:I am sure im going to get flammed for this, but for the most part im going to have to agree with Shuma and his points on this one.

And Luna, I have to say...

You saying that you are the anti troll while you defend he who shall not be named blindly makes you, in this case, a blatent hypocrite.

To be fair , i read YMDC because as you know i dont want to give my cousin a headache when i play against him , so i try to learn the proper rules
when the rule books also confuses me.

Thus i read the threads Gwar! responds to.
I defend him because its always the same pattern , i see him proving his case , or atleast a stalemate at page 1.
Then same thing gets dragged on for 10+ pages back and forth each time with the other side instigating him bit by bit.

By the end of 10+ pages ( not to mention different threads ) I cannot possibly blame Gwar! for losing his patience.
I dare you to point out anyone that can reply as much as him without losing their cool.

I respect him for what he do , i dont personally know him or have need to defend him in that sense.
I defend him because the people he helped.

Yeah, Gwar! gets a bum rap. He provides a valuable service to this community, and doesn't deserve the gak he gets.

Gotta disagree, Luna. I've seen Ye Olde Trolle start tooling on people on post 2 in some threads.

Not that I really care, but I'd just like to keep things real around here.

I think Op hasn't been to many forums before.

Most 40k forums are quite polite, but most regular forums I have frequented are much more nasty then here.

Also the lower amount of moderation is better.

Also no cupcake option.. SadFace..

Finally I use the ignore button quite a bit.. It's probably my favorite feature. hahaha.


EDIT Also with a forum like this you are more likely to get constructive crit then just backslap posts, for painting or whatever.

Monster Rain wrote:Are they that brutal?

Killkrazy and Frazzled seem to keep a pretty tight lid on the ourageous stuff. At least they're the ones that I notice on OT. I think some people are just a bit too sensitive. I happen to enjoy people speaking plainly.

I use the off-topic forum the most and I have never felt insulted before. So I have no clue what people are talking about Dakka's off-topic being brutal, I find it a fun and sometimes out of control (which I personally find entertaining)

environment.

I find the comments about "innadequate moderation" amusingly ironic. This is because many of those making such comments would most likely to be the first on the receiving end of a ban if things were tighter around here.

focusedfire wrote:I find the comments about "innadequate moderation" amusingly ironic. This is because many of those making such comments would most likely to be the first on the receiving end of a ban if things were tighter around here.

They also seem to misunderstand Dakka's style of modding which is deliberately lenient, to allow an easier conversation and more freedom of speech than other forums.

Dakka is the best forum I have ever been on, simple as that.

And now for something completely different!

Albatross wrote:Yeah, Gwar! gets a bum rap. He provides a valuable service to this community, and doesn't deserve the gak he gets.

I agree! That Gwar! is a pretty cool guy. eh answer rules questions and doesnt afraid of anything!

@Luna: That is pretty much it. I try and not lose my temper, but after 50 posts even my patience wears thin!

Monster Rain wrote:Gotta disagree, Luna. I've seen Ye Olde Trolle start tooling on people on post 2 in some threads.

Not that I really care, but I'd just like to keep things real around here.

+1 for keeping it real.

Oh.. and I will leave this pile of self quotes here:

""I are t3h trolle!" -Gwar!..
"Also, Welcome to Dakka, I am the Resident Troll here on YMTC." -Gwar!...
"e-Pe*** is the 3rd most important thing a l33t 7r001 has.." -Gwar!..
"Im not a troll...im THE troll on dakka dakka!!" -Gwar!...
"Also, Tears are like Candy for Trolls" -Gwar!

Kinda hard to take what he says seriously when he himself can be quoted as calling himself "The Troll On Dakka Dakka"

Cheesecat wrote:
They also seem to misunderstand Dakka's style of modding which is deliberately lenient, to allow an easier conversation and more freedom of speech than other forums.

I would love to see this so called lenient side of Dakka. I wasn’t here long and got blasted for improper posting and warnings toward the fact of get it right or face a ban.

Not to mention that if I get heated in a discussion its not long before the tread is locked or as I have been told doesn’t happen the tread is removed. I find it funny that Dakka has some outstanding MODS like Frazzled.(Gotta love the frazz) It just seems this lenient side picks who they are lenient to.

Lets not forget I do love our humble Admins. Its just some of the MODS I take issue with.

jp400 wrote:

Monster Rain wrote:Gotta disagree, Luna. I've seen Ye Olde Trolle start tooling on people on post 2 in some threads.

Not that I really care, but I'd just like to keep things real around here.

+1 for keeping it real.

Oh.. and I will leave this pile of self quotes here:

""I are t3h trolle!" -Gwar!..
"Also, Welcome to Dakka, I am the Resident Troll here on YMTC." -Gwar!...
"e-Pe*** is the 3rd most important thing a l33t 7r001 has.." -Gwar!..
"Im not a troll...im THE troll on dakka dakka!!" -Gwar!...
"Also, Tears are like Candy for Trolls" -Gwar!

Kinda hard to take what he says seriously when he himself can be quoted as calling himself "The Troll On Dakka Dakka"

You know , sometimes it hurts less when an individual starts calling themselves something bad that others called him first.

Fine keeping it real , can you 2 honestly say , that Gwar! has tool more than then people that tooled him?
Im not saying he is perfect and 100% never done wrong , but that wouldnt be fair. We have to include how others treated him as well?

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:
They also seem to misunderstand Dakka's style of modding which is deliberately lenient, to allow an easier conversation and more freedom of speech than other forums.

I would love to see this so called lenient side of Dakka. I wasn’t here long and got blasted for improper posting and warnings toward the fact of get it right or face a ban.

Not to mention that if I get heated in a discussion its not long before the tread is locked or as I have been told doesn’t happen the tread is removed. I find it funny that Dakka has some outstanding MODS like Frazzled.(Gotta love the frazz) It just seems this lenient side picks who they are lenient to.

Lets not forget I do love our humble Admins. Its just some of the MODS I take issue with.

Did you post something with language that would turn a movie from G to PG-13?

If so: Improper.

Did you post something with images that would turn a movie from G to PG-13?

If so: Improper.

Yakface's goal with Dakka is to make an environment that you wouldn't mind letting your kid read every so often.

People posting softcore porn, calling each other witches, etc doesn't really fit that goal.

jp400 wrote:Kinda hard to take what he says seriously when he himself can be quoted as calling himself "The Troll On Dakka Dakka"

I call myself that to lampoon people such as yourself who take it upon themselves to paint me as some sort of horrible monster, a "Troll" if you will, found in various mythologies around the world.

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:
I would love to see this so called lenient side of Dakka. I wasn’t here long and got blasted for improper posting and warnings toward the fact of get it right or face a ban.

You have seen the lenient side. Your still here posting. Over at ATT you'd be history.

Gwar! wrote:

jp400 wrote:Kinda hard to take what he says seriously when he himself can be quoted as calling himself "The Troll On Dakka Dakka"

I call myself that to lampoon people such as yourself who take it upon themselves to paint me as some sort of horrible monster, a "Troll" if you will, found in various mythologies around the world.

Bribe me with pie and I will forever defend your reputation.

But it has to be Boston Creme Pie, or no deal.

Gwar! wrote:Dakka is the best forum I have ever been on, simple as that.

And now for something completely different!

Albatross wrote:Yeah, Gwar! gets a bum rap. He provides a valuable service to this community, and doesn't deserve the gak he gets.

I agree! That Gwar! is a pretty cool guy. eh answer rules questions and doesnt afraid of anything!

@Luna: That is pretty much it. I try and not lose my temper, but after 50 posts even my patience wears thin!

See even Gwar! approves and that's got to account for something. And also what's with all this infamy towards GWAR! for the most part he comes across to me as someone kind and humorous.

Gwar! wrote:

jp400 wrote:Kinda hard to take what he says seriously when he himself can be quoted as calling himself "The Troll On Dakka Dakka"

I call myself that to lampoon people such as yourself who take it upon themselves to paint me as some sort of horrible monster, a "Troll" if you will, found in various mythologies around the world.

See i understand Gwar! so well , thats sort of what i said!

We shouldnt be sitting here worried about someone losing temper after trying for hours and days trying to help solve an issue?

We should be worried about people that trolls for the sake of trolling and nothing else.
and worried about the people that stalks other's post and deliberately misinterpret things to start drama just to be douche?

LunaHound wrote:
Fine keeping it real , can you 2 honestly say , that Gwar! has tool more than then people that tooled him?

Yes. And I can say that with a straight face. And I can also say that I am not alone by a long shot in saying this.

Gwar! wrote:I call myself that to lampoon people such as yourself who take it upon themselves to paint me as some sort of horrible monster!

Gwar! buddy, "People" don't need to paint you out to be a monster cause you do that better by yourself then anyone else could possible do. You have the track record to prove it.

*Edited for stupid quote eating my reply*

Cheesecat wrote:See even Gwar! approves and that's got to account for something. And also what's with all this infamy towards GWAR! for the most part he comes across to me as someone kind and humorous.

The funny thing is, everyone I have talked to on skype while playing on Vassal from Dakka has said "Wow, you're nothing like I thought you would be."

But yet again a post is being dragged off topic by people trying to insult me. (Not you Cheesecat)

-le sigh- Sometimes I wonder why I bother trying.

@Luna:

Like I said, I don't really have a problem with Gwar's posting style personally. I am impossible to offend, particularly by anonymous message board posters. My issue with some of the things that I have read with my own eyes that might be considered and condescending and generally "not nice" is that they are directed at people that are just looking for some rules advice or clarification and are instead treated to belittlement.

That's all.

jp400 wrote:*Edited for stupid quote eating my reply*

Yes, blame the quote, it iiissss out to get you, is it not? Just as your eyes grow heavy and you let them droop the Quotes steal your words. I think maybe you should declare war on these nefarious quotes. Total War.

focusedfire wrote:

jp400 wrote:*Edited for stupid quote eating my reply*

Yes, blame the quote, it iiissss out to get you, is it not? Just as your eyes grow heavy and you let them droop the Quotes steal your words. I think maybe you should declare war on these nefarious quotes. Total War.

Total War my style!

I haven’t really found my dakka experience negatively impacted by trolls or abuse, the mods do an excellent job in keeping that stuff under control. If anything, I think the mods are a little quick to close threads, but I understand that’s my personal opinion and they’re the ones doing the hard yards, so it gets to be their opinion that stands.

That said, Dakka certainly deserves its reputation as churlish place, where real debate is scarce. But that’s a cultural thing that can’t be moderated into a forum, it’s something the members have to take on for themselves. It will change when the members stop accepting and contributing to poor debate.

I think from now on i am just going to press the 'ignore' button a lot more:

"I-can't-hear-you-I-can't-hear-you-I-can't-hear-you"

Kanluwen wrote:

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:
They also seem to misunderstand Dakka's style of modding which is deliberately lenient, to allow an easier conversation and more freedom of speech than other forums.

I would love to see this so called lenient side of Dakka. I wasn’t here long and got blasted for improper posting and warnings toward the fact of get it right or face a ban.

Not to mention that if I get heated in a discussion its not long before the tread is locked or as I have been told doesn’t happen the tread is removed. I find it funny that Dakka has some outstanding MODS like Frazzled.(Gotta love the frazz) It just seems this lenient side picks who they are lenient to.

Lets not forget I do love our humble Admins. Its just some of the MODS I take issue with.

Did you post something with language that would turn a movie from G to PG-13?

If so: Improper.

Did you post something with images that would turn a movie from G to PG-13?

If so: Improper.

Yakface's goal with Dakka is to make an environment that you wouldn't mind letting your kid read every so often.

People posting softcore porn, calling each other witches, etc doesn't really fit that goal.

Now come on Im just boring not offensive. If I remeber all the details right. I posted an image wrong and got the evil eye for it.
Plus the tread is no longer around to prove my point.
then I was trying to defend myself and got this warning.
"And since "ip vin snarller dehizvin" decided to take this "joke" public, let me just say that further "jokes" like this are a quick way to earn a one way ticket out of Dakka for a long time, if not forever. "

Its really just a few MODS that hunt down those they do not like and make sure to have reason to ban said person. Such as myself.
I think Dakka would be much better off if the great MODS could do their jobs. Its just that they have their hands tied with cleaning up the messes of The racist MODS.

One thing i can never understand ( sorry im just stupid ) is,
I have seen tons of very hostile posts ( in this page alone ) and some how aslong as its followed up by a funny picture or a face , it'll be forgiven.

Why is that?

sebster wrote:I haven’t really found my dakka experience negatively impacted by trolls or abuse, the mods do an excellent job in keeping that stuff under control. If anything, I think the mods are a little quick to close threads, but I understand that’s my personal opinion and they’re the ones doing the hard yards, so it gets to be their opinion that stands.

That said, Dakka certainly deserves its reputation as churlish place, where real debate is scarce. But that’s a cultural thing that can’t be moderated into a forum, it’s something the members have to take on for themselves. It will change when the members stop accepting and contributing to poor debate.

That sums up my thoughts completely.


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ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:

Cheesecat wrote:
They also seem to misunderstand Dakka's style of modding which is deliberately lenient, to allow an easier conversation and more freedom of speech than other forums.

I would love to see this so called lenient side of Dakka. I wasn’t here long and got blasted for improper posting and warnings toward the fact of get it right or face a ban.

Not to mention that if I get heated in a discussion its not long before the tread is locked or as I have been told doesn’t happen the tread is removed. I find it funny that Dakka has some outstanding MODS like Frazzled.(Gotta love the frazz) It just seems this lenient side picks who they are lenient to.

Lets not forget I do love our humble Admins. Its just some of the MODS I take issue with.

Did you post something with language that would turn a movie from G to PG-13?

If so: Improper.

Did you post something with images that would turn a movie from G to PG-13?

If so: Improper.

Yakface's goal with Dakka is to make an environment that you wouldn't mind letting your kid read every so often.

People posting softcore porn, calling each other witches, etc doesn't really fit that goal.

Now come on Im just boring not offensive. If I remeber all the details right. I posted an image wrong and got the evil eye for it.
Plus the tread is no longer around to prove my point.
then I was trying to defend myself and got this warning.
"And since "ip vin snarller dehizvin" decided to take this "joke" public, let me just say that further "jokes" like this are a quick way to earn a one way ticket out of Dakka for a long time, if not forever. "

Its really just a few MODS that hunt down those they do not like and make sure to have reason to ban said person. Such as myself.
I think Dakka would be much better off if the great MODS could do their jobs. Its just that they have their hands tied with cleaning up the messes of The racist MODS.

I'm pretty sure none of the mods know what race you are therefore, there opinions are based on something a lot less bias.

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:Now come on I'm just boring not offensive. If I remember all the details right. I posted an image wrong and got the evil eye for it.
Plus the thread is no longer around to prove my point.
then I was trying to defend myself and got this warning.
"And since "ip vin snarller dehizvin" decided to take this "joke" public, let me just say that further "jokes" like this are a quick way to earn a one way ticket out of Dakka for a long time, if not forever. "

If you "posted an image wrong" you wouldn't have been warned.
If you posted an inappropriate image? Oh hell yes, you would have been warned. Especially if the image was racist or--again--inappropriate.

@ Luna:

I think the emoticon is there to make is a little softer, like to sy that the post isn't as vicious as it seems.

In other news...

Which MODs are racist, exactly? I'd like to know before I post a pic of myself.

There are other forms of racism, besides that of skin color.

Such as Political views, Opinions, etc......

That's not racism, bro.

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:There are other forms of racism, besides that of skin color.

Such as Political views, Opinions, etc......

That's called prejudice or discrimination not racism.

Edit: Ninja'd

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:I would love to see this so called lenient side of Dakka. I wasn’t here long and got blasted for improper posting and warnings toward the fact of get it right or face a ban.

I just looked through the mod log. You are being overtly moany - you have not had a warning since around September 09. Your original warnings were because you just jumped in and failed to read the rules and FAQs of the site, violating rules from image attachments in the wrong places to poor spelling and formatting, and also made a pointless news post that would confuse and annoy people (from what I gather). Like I say, you've not had anything flagged since September 09 beyond a couple of swap shop thread title edits, so I'd say things are working exactly as they should be for you and you are being overly sensitive now.

legoburner wrote:

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:I would love to see this so called lenient side of Dakka. I wasn’t here long and got blasted for improper posting and warnings toward the fact of get it right or face a ban.

I just looked through the mod log. You are being overtly moany - you have not had a warning since around September 09. Your original warnings were because you just jumped in and failed to read the rules and FAQs of the site, violating rules from image attachments in the wrong places to poor spelling and formatting, and also made a pointless news post that would confuse and annoy people (from what I gather). Like I say, you've not had anything flagged since September 09 beyond a couple of swap shop thread title edits, so I'd say things are working exactly as they should be for you and you are being overly sensitive now.

You know what I hate, are people who hold grudges. Why can't they just quit the whining, get over it and go on with life.

legoburner wrote:

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:I would love to see this so called lenient side of Dakka. I wasn’t here long and got blasted for improper posting and warnings toward the fact of get it right or face a ban.

I just looked through the mod log. You are being overtly moany - you have not had a warning since around September 09. Your original warnings were because you just jumped in and failed to read the rules and FAQs of the site, violating rules from image attachments in the wrong places to poor spelling and formatting, and also made a pointless news post that would confuse and annoy people (from what I gather). Like I say, you've not had anything flagged since September 09 beyond a couple of swap shop thread title edits, so I'd say things are working exactly as they should be for you and you are being overly sensitive now.

And legoburner comes and wins the thread.

Love ya Lego! What ya doing up at 5am is anyones guess, but glad you are!

I say we ban the guy, just for the irony factor.

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:
Now come on Im just boring not offensive. If I remeber all the details right. I posted an image wrong and got the evil eye for it.
Plus the tread is no longer around to prove my point.
then I was trying to defend myself and got this warning.
"And since "ip vin snarller dehizvin" decided to take this "joke" public, let me just say that further "jokes" like this are a quick way to earn a one way ticket out of Dakka for a long time, if not forever. "

Its really just a few MODS that hunt down those they do not like and make sure to have reason to ban said person. Such as myself.
I think Dakka would be much better off if the great MODS could do their jobs. Its just that they have their hands tied with cleaning up the messes of The racist MODS.

Don't use Dakak for your non wargaming pictures. ta.

ip vin snarller dehizvin wrote:There are other forms of racism, besides that of skin color.

Such as Political views, Opinions, etc......

Defintions of Racism:

•the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races
•discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race
•Racism is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent ...
•The belief that each race has distinct and intrinsic attributes; The belief that one race is superior to all others; Prejudice or discrimination based upon race
•racist - based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks"
•racist - a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others
•racist - discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion
•Racist - Playing the race card is an idiomatic phrase that refers to the act of bringing the issue of race or racism into a debate, perhaps to obfuscate ...
•Racists is a 2006 novel by Kunal Basu about a scientific experiment in the mid-19th century in which a white girl and a black boy are raised ...
•racist - An advocate of racism; Of, relating to, or advocating racism
•Any attitude, action or institutional structure which systematically treats an individual or group of individuals differently because of their race. The most common form of racism in North America is in the form discrimination against African-Americans. ...
•An ideology based on the idea that humans can be separated into distinct racial groups and that these groups can be ranked on a hierarchy of intelligence, ability, morality etc.
•the use of race to establish and justify a social hierarchy and system of power that privileges, preferences or advances certain individuals or groups of people usually at the expense of others. Racism is perpetuated through both interpersonal and institutional practices.
•A set of incorrect assumptions, opinions and acts resulting from the belief that one race is inherently/genetically superior to another. It occurs when people are not treated fairly because of their cultural or ethnic differences. ...
•a social system in which a minority is privileged at the expense of others, always based on the fictitious idea that human beings are naturally divided into "races" with innate differences of ability and intelligence. ...


Defintions of Discrimination:

•unfair treatment of a person or group on the basis of prejudice
•the cognitive process whereby two or more stimuli are distinguished
•Discrimination (Employment and Occupation) Convention, 1958 is an International Labour Organization Convention.
•Discrimination is a sociological term referring to the treatment taken toward or against a person of a certain group that is taken in consideration based on class or category. ...
•discriminate - recognize or perceive the difference
•discriminatory - prejudiced: being biased or having a belief or attitude formed beforehand; "a prejudiced judge"
•discriminate - treat differently on the basis of sex or race
•discriminatory - containing or implying a slight or showing prejudice; "discriminatory attitudes and practices"; "invidious comparisons"
•discriminate - distinguish; "I could not discriminate the different tastes in this complicated dish"
•discriminate - marked by the ability to see or make fine distinctions; "discriminate judgments"; "discriminate people"
•discriminating - showing or indicating careful judgment and discernment especially in matters of taste; "the discriminating eye of the connoisseur"
•discriminating - acute: having or demonstrating ability to recognize or draw fine distinctions; "an acute observer of politics and politicians"; "incisive comments"; "icy knifelike reasoning"; "as sharp and incisive as the stroke of a fang"; "penetrating insight"; "frequent penetrative observations"
•discriminatory - manifesting partiality; "a discriminatory tax"; "preferential tariff rates"; "preferential treatment"; "a preferential shop gives priority or advantage to union members in hiring or promoting"
•discriminating - Able to perceive fine distinctions between similar things; perceptive; Having a discerning judgment or taste
•discriminatory - Able to perceive, or showing fine distinctions; Showing prejudice or bias

ShumaGorath wrote:Lack of adequate moderation causes people to revert to less civil behavior more quickly then they would in other forums.

half the posters should have been banned long ago, including both Shuma and yours truly.

I blame the Moderators and their "Club Med" approach to moderating. On the positive I've been voted biggest gakker on Dakka so it all works out in the end.

And now for a random pic:




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Jazz is for Losers wrote:Rampant mongolism, reinforced by inconsistent moderation (eg people can be suspended for creating amusing threads like this one http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/295597.page, but not for being absolute cretins).

Adequate moderation is probably a hard balance, after all it requires a certain measure of subjective judgement, and I fear it's almost impossible to achieve. How can the moderators hope to form an effective filter if some are themselves po-faced dunces and/or boorish imbeciles? I think this is the crux.

On the positive Jazz's creation of the Is Frazzled the Biggest gakker on Dakka was priceless.

Is it just me or is Gaga's Alejandro just a really bad imitation of Madonna's Isla Bonita?

LunaHound wrote:One thing i can never understand ( sorry im just stupid ) is,
I have seen tons of very hostile posts ( in this page alone ) and some how aslong as its followed up by a funny picture or a face , it'll be forgiven.

Why is that?

LunaHound wrote:

Do you realize that you are one of the most prevalent (and likely unintentional) trolls on dakka? You get reported with some regularity.

Troll either are , or are not. One does not unintentionally troll because that defeats the whole purpose of trolls.

I get reported because of my fierce stance against trolls , im a white blood cell , and the troll = disease.
Im willing to be destroyed aslong as the disease is gone.

TBH i find it abit hilarious that out of all people , you have the face to bring this up to me. Certainly you are a troll.

You do realize that there are more than just absolute draconian control and total irresponsibility correct? This isn't a black and white issue.

Who ever said it was black and white? I just said , a balance is easiest achieved if everyone is treated equally ,
leniency to some might be seen as favoritism.

Your previous post seemed to imply that you disliked it because you are harassed often.

Well thats your opinion. I like Dakka's members , and i dislike the people that harasses me. Shoulnt be that hard to comprehend?

Unless you're a Mod you don't actually know who's been reported how many times. We might note that here.
I think Malf's the most reported, as I report him on a daily basis and will continue to do so until my socks are returned. Bastard!

Hotbuttons here are profanity, and racist attacks. use those and you'll get bounced quickly, and rightfully so. Also anyone disparaging the great state fo Texas will not only get bounced, but challenged to a whippy stick duel to the death.

Different board subforums are moderated more heavily. The painting/conversion forums are sacrosanct and several Mods, myself included, take a personal interest in maintaining a strong hand there. otyher forums less so: OT and YMDC. Should we moderate more-probably. But then it would be a full time job and half the guys there would be gone.

If people cannot follow the rules or can't stand the 'feel' of the forums feel free to wander off and set up your own website.

Stelek did so and from all I can gather is having a great time with it.

As a free forum I'd say the only people with a 'right' to gripe are the employees and those who have ponied up the cash to become DCMs and have a monetary stake in dakka to help support it.

I've been here over 10 years and dakka has had its ups and downs.
it has always been rather hard nosed until you become a regular and people start to understand your posting style. That was alot easier years ago when we had many less members.

Dakka is growing at a tremendous rate, and at last count was the fastest growing of the 'major' GW forums in terms of membership.
There has to be a reason people are signing up....

Rule #1 is Be Polite! It's easy! Instead of hacking at people's throats and trying to prove that you are smarter than everyone! I voted good though because the majority of people here are friendly.

I love the dakka because many people here aprove my ideas and thoughts.However I hate trolls,spammer and other scum of the Internet(no offense 4chan).

Dakkadakka is a really nice forum. The debate is vibrant, even though people don't always seem to agree with each other. I confess that getting trolled by what is quite likely a bored 13 year-old boy is slightly annoying, but that sort of thing happens anywhere on the internet and can't be helped. @ OP: I've also disagreed with a few of the mods on this forum, but they're just doing their jobs as best they can. None of them have ever come across as obvious or malicious trolls, at least not to my mind.

[Also anyone disparaging the great state fo Texas will not only get bounced, but challenged to a whippy stick duel to the death.

I can honestly say that it's been of the best forums i've ever been on...Of course it has its fair share of trolls and such, but i don't think anyone here can say they never troll'd anyone at least once...

On the overall, i think the MOD team does a good job and Dakka is quite well-kept, and doing that from a shorter leash would only crush debates and discussions that (while sometimes overheated) serve to show even over the Internet who a person really is, what they think and believe.

If someone doesn't like it, it's a free world, and there are lots of other forums to go to, it's not like your browser doesn't accept any other links than "DakkaDakka.com"

Also, there's that handy "Ignore" button down there, which you can feel free to press at any time, should you not like a user's post, his sig, his avatar. his username or whatever. And although i've never used it (i'm very hard to offend), i think it's one the best features around here

So, my vote goes high up there. Good job Dakka and you people around here! (or at least the most of you)

Also, from the OP stance, I believing you are seeing a very small minority who are causing trouble over and over without any indication that the Mods are doing anything ... however I think you'll find that in these cases wheels are turning behind the scene's by Mods who collect their evidence before taking any action. There is already at least one thread I know of thats been taken into the Mod forum to be looked at, I know this because the thread is visible on the screen but we don't have permission to see it

Mods do the best they can with the resources they have. Lets remember that Dakka is a free site and the Mod team are modding in their personal time.

The fact that they don't tell us about it, doesn't mean its not happening, they are protecting privacy and its none of our business to know publically what xyz has been banned for. The above is something I think makes our Mod team better than any other website.

Best thing to do, is keep hitting that alert button and let the Mods do their thing, if you feel they are not doing their jobs then IM Yakface our Benevolent Overlord and he will see if action needs to be taken.

I've seen in many instances, a poster who repeatively disrupts the boards magically disappear overnight without a word or a scream into the night, only to reappear a month later.

Chin up Ip Vin, its not all grimdark Don't let the minority get you down from what is an excellent source of information, opinion and discussion.

Out of interest, is there anyway to find out how many times your been reported via alert button for a single post or overall? I'm curious to know, hehe, I expect it to be in the two figures at least

Waaagh_Gonads wrote:If people cannot follow the rules or can't stand the 'feel' of the forums feel free to wander off and set up your own website.

Stelek did so and from all I can gather is having a great time with it.

As a free forum I'd say the only people with a 'right' to gripe are the employees and those who have ponied up the cash to become DCMs and have a monetary stake in dakka to help support it.

I've been here over 10 years and dakka has had its ups and downs.
it has always been rather hard nosed until you become a regular and people start to understand your posting style. That was alot easier years ago when we had many less members.

Dakka is growing at a tremendous rate, and at last count was the fastest growing of the 'major' GW forums in terms of membership.
There has to be a reason people are signing up....

Ahh Stelek I remember that "Im the best gamer in the world". Actually I kinda miss em I check out his blog from time to time to see what he's up to.

I love dakka as it is, because it puts a smile on my face without fail. Mod's leniency has a lot to do with that.

HellsGuardian316 wrote:Also, from the OP stance, I believing you are seeing a very small minority who are causing trouble over and over without any indication that the Mods are doing anything ... however I think you'll find that in these cases wheels are turning behind the scene's by Mods who collect their evidence before taking any action. There is already at least one thread I know of thats been taken into the Mod forum to be looked at, I know this because the thread is visible on the screen but we don't have permission to see it

Mods do the best they can with the resources they have. Lets remember that Dakka is a free site and the Mod team are modding in their personal time.

The fact that they don't tell us about it, doesn't mean its not happening, they are protecting privacy and its none of our business to know publically what xyz has been banned for. The above is something I think makes our Mod team better than any other website.

Best thing to do, is keep hitting that alert button and let the Mods do their thing, if you feel they are not doing their jobs then IM Yakface our Benevolent Overlord and he will see if action needs to be taken.

I've seen in many instances, a poster who repeatively disrupts the boards magically disappear overnight without a word or a scream into the night, only to reappear a month later.

Chin up Ip Vin, its not all grimdark Don't let the minority get you down from what is an excellent source of information, opinion and discussion.

Out of interest, is there anyway to find out how many times your been reported via alert button for a single post or overall? I'm curious to know, hehe, I expect it to be in the two figures at least

This post has saved me alot of writing.

90+ percent of all moderation is never seen by regular users unless they are being contacted directly for warnings/suspensions. We do our best not to discuss suspensions/bannings as it is not for other members to chatter about in their sewing circles.

We do moderating in our free time because we want to invest in a great resource that has given us so much over the years. Moderators are selected after long discussion amongst the admins and moderator team. There have been candidates who have declined the offer. Some of us have been here for over a decade, some a couple years, all have shown that they can be level headed and wish to contribute above and beyond what a regular user does.

Hitting the alert button is the best way to get our attention quickly.

As to the number of alerts- Lego may have a record somewhere. our main moderation tool is the user case files forum where the mods can list what a user has done, what action was taken and why. That way all mods can intervene/discuss issues about users/disciplinary action and what 'level' they are at in terms of warnings/suspensions/ban. And if you show that over a period of time you can post without generating drama your setting on that scale can/is wound back. We aren't ogres who want to stamp out users for the hell of it. Act responsibly and you get leeway, act like a nutcase/tool/paranoid hissy fitter and things will not end up well. But the last sentence applies to any forum.

I like arguing, i dont see the problem, i even like Shuma and i dont agree with him on anything, maybe its because im from the north east and 99% of my drinking buddies dont agree with me on anything either, im just used to dealing with constant aggro!

Except for the off topic forum i almost never see trolling, flaming, or arguing.

We might debate some minor subtleties in our different builds but i have never seen it turn into a flame war. Of course i only use the fantasy sections so the 40k crowd might be different.

The 40k crowd is different because it is much larger and so is more likely to gather people of diometrically opposite views.

Also WHFB until last year and the last few army books, tended to be much better written and clearer in its rules.

I've found Dakka both extremely useful and highly entertaining over the year and a bit I've been on here.
Everyone is pretty nice on the whole and if not then they're usually funny. Also a good flame war is great fun to watch .
I think the Mods do sterling work curbing the worst excesses of some and would like to thank them for it. It must be a blooming hard job.

Dakka be good. I have been on a fair amount of forums for various video games, mostly because I was still in high school and didn't have very many responsibilites, and I must say, the only forum that has EVER been as fun was the Gears of War one, before all the trolls, little kids, and elitists showed up. There were like twenty of us on there, and the mods were kind of lenient. We would debate, we set up a tourney or two, we would disagree, standard forum stuff. Then all sorts of new people came, the mods got stricter, and people just started getting banned. Hell, I got banned for saying they released an unfinished product in #2.

DakkaDakka (which also has the most fun name to say on the internetz) is an awesome forum, I like it here. The mods are lenient, the also actually have personalities. I know I can say something and not have to worry about getting cited for it, unless it is truely outrageous.

Waaagh_Gonads wrote: I'd say the only people with a 'right' to gripe are the employees and those who have ponied up the cash to become DCMs and have a monetary stake in dakka to help support it.

I've been here over 10 years and dakka has had its ups and downs.

Spoken like someone who easily forgets it was many posters that made this site what it is and have stuck through lots of crap and neglect to make sure it was maintained even if they weren't a mod or DCM.

I let my DCM lapse because of quality of moderation (or lack thereof) and have never renewed since the transfer of ownership. The quality of which hasn't changed very much since those by gone days.

In times of neglect a select few made vigilante attempts at keeping the place sane. But I wouldn't expect a brown-nosing yes-man to understand that, even if he were part of that before he even became a mod with a far too exalted sense of purpose while treating dakka as his own toilet.

You're opinion is duly noted and has been duly discarded with a flush.

Hellfury wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote: I'd say the only people with a 'right' to gripe are the employees and those who have ponied up the cash to become DCMs and have a monetary stake in dakka to help support it.

I've been here over 10 years and dakka has had its ups and downs.

Spoken like someone who easily forgets it was many posters that made this site what it is and have stuck through lots of crap and neglect to make sure it was maintained even if they weren't a mod or DCM.

I let my DCM lapse because of quality of moderation (or lack thereof) and have never renewed since the transfer of ownership. The quality of which hasn't changed very much since those by gone days.

In times of neglect a select few made vigilante attempts at keeping the place sane. But I wouldn't expect a brown-nosing yes-man to understand that, even if he were part of that before he even became a mod with a far too exalted sense of purpose while treating dakka as his own toilet.

You're opinion is duly noted and has been duly discarded with a flush.

Wow. No offense, but that sounds like a massive chip on shoulder, right there.

A chip... No.

A very strong opinion.... yes.

Hellfury wrote:Spoken like someone who easily forgets it was many posters that made this site what it is and have stuck through lots of crap and neglect to make sure it was maintained even if they weren't a mod or DCM.

I let my DCM lapse because of quality of moderation (or lack thereof) and have never renewed since the transfer of ownership. The quality of which hasn't changed very much since those by gone days.

In times of neglect a select few made vigilante attempts at keeping the place sane. But I wouldn't expect a brown-nosing yes-man to understand that, even if he were part of that before he even became a mod with a far too exalted sense of purpose while treating dakka as his own toilet.

You're opinion is duly noted and has been duly discarded with a flush.

Your unwarranted anger and vitrol indicate that your statements are emotionally driven and therefore lack credibility.

Your casual dismissal of others experience compounds your lack of credibility.

Your continued participation on these forums, when combined with your post, indicate a certain level of hipocracy that allows this one to logically dismiss your post in its entirety.

hellfury said he'd pony up the DCM cash if I added the ignore button but he never delivered after I did, so his opinion is ignored I also enabled animated avatars so that his would work. Actually, thinking about it, he has probably had more code tweaks linked to his user than anyone other than yak and I.

If what you see on Dakka is regularly upsetting you then go elsewhere.

This is an internet forum about toy soldiers, which contains an off topic forum which is liberaly moderated to encourage discussion and debate of all sorts of issues, by people with vastly differing veiws. No one is forced to read what is posted here, they certainly aren't forced to post. By all means add your input but don't expect anyone to agree, because otherwise, it may hurt your feelings.

I have reported things if I feel they have over stepped the mark but I don't get upset if nothing happens as it really doesn't have a big effect on my life. It shouldn't on any elses either.

One of the best things about Dakka is that it doesn't have the Draconian moderation of other similar forums, whilst this can cause some posters to come to blows verbaly, it also creates an environment where people can speak their minds and discuss pretty much anything without being treated like a child. This is why I think the mods are doing a good job here.

There will always be those who are looking to get a reaction or cause an argument. The best thing you can do is ignore them and walk away. I find this works in the real world too

Hellfury wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote: I'd say the only people with a 'right' to gripe are the employees and those who have ponied up the cash to become DCMs and have a monetary stake in dakka to help support it.

I've been here over 10 years and dakka has had its ups and downs.

Spoken like someone who easily forgets it was many posters that made this site what it is and have stuck through lots of crap and neglect to make sure it was maintained even if they weren't a mod or DCM.

I let my DCM lapse because of quality of moderation (or lack thereof) and have never renewed since the transfer of ownership. The quality of which hasn't changed very much since those by gone days.

In times of neglect a select few made vigilante attempts at keeping the place sane. But I wouldn't expect a brown-nosing yes-man to understand that, even if he were part of that before he even became a mod with a far too exalted sense of purpose while treating dakka as his own toilet.

You're opinion is duly noted and has been duly discarded with a flush.

Errr.....did you just call Waaagh_Gonads a brown-noser and a yes-man, or did I misread that?

Either way, I'm pretty sure that you just misread what he said anyway. He wasn't saying that only DCM's and mods have an opinion worth listening to or are the only people who contribute to the wealth and variety that is Dakka. What he said was the only people who have a 'right' to complain about it are those who've put in the time and money to keep the website going. Kind of like how someone who actually bought an Ipod has the right to complain about it's technical flaws/warranty/apple as a company, as opposed to someone who doesn't even own one complaining.

I'd also like to say that you don't truly appreciate just how much work goes into keeping this place running smoothly, until you can see the full 'behind the scenes' picture. Every time I've seen someone appointed to the mod team(including the chaps appointed with me, 5 now), they're always amazed at the amount of discussion and data collected, and the extent to how closely the mod team follows things on the forum.

legoburner wrote:hellfury said he'd pony up the DCM cash if I added the ignore button but he never delivered after I did, so his opinion is ignored I also enabled animated avatars so that his would work. Actually, thinking about it, he has probably had more code tweaks linked to his user than anyone other than yak and I.

Srsly lego, stop winning at Dakka. It's not fair to the kiddies!

Gwar! wrote:

legoburner wrote:hellfury said he'd pony up the DCM cash if I added the ignore button but he never delivered after I did, so his opinion is ignored I also enabled animated avatars so that his would work. Actually, thinking about it, he has probably had more code tweaks linked to his user than anyone other than yak and I.

Srsly lego, stop winning at Dakka. It's not fair to the kiddies!

Hellfury, you've been cut your fair share (or more) of slack over the years, and had many of your needs catered to. In part out of recognition of your longstanding membership and the many good contributions you've made (like your recent Space Hulk stuff).

If you don't like the place, you know where the door is.

If you have an issue with one, some, or all of us who are trying to keep it a fun place to spend time, you can talk to us.

If you want to antagonize and insult us, then respice post te. Hominem te memento.

Why does it always seem like the people who most loudly complain about other people not being moderated enough are the most deserving of moderation themselves?

Quick someone moderate orkeo for complaining about a lack of moderation of people complaining about a lack of moderation.

Nooooooo!

Orkeosaurus wrote:Nooooooo!

Now now, all things in moderation...

I find all of this moderately amusing.

legoburner wrote:hellfury said he'd pony up the DCM cash if I added the ignore button but he never delivered after I did, so his opinion is ignored I also enabled animated avatars so that his would work. Actually, thinking about it, he has probably had more code tweaks linked to his user than anyone other than yak and I.

You're welcome for making suggestions to help make the place better. Though notice I have no criticism of how the forumware functions. You're a dead brilliant beast in that regard, Jim.

Ketara wrote:Errr.....did you just call Waaagh_Gonads a brown-noser and a yes-man, or did I misread that?

Either way, I'm pretty sure that you just misread what he said anyway. He wasn't saying that only DCM's and mods have an opinion worth listening to or are the only people who contribute to the wealth and variety that is Dakka. What he said was the only people who have a 'right' to complain about it are those who've put in the time and money to keep the website going. Kind of like how someone who actually bought an Ipod has the right to complain about it's technical flaws/warranty/apple as a company, as opposed to someone who doesn't even own one complaining.

You could be right, but then again it takes more to contribute to dakka than merely money. Its the quality of the posters contributions that draw in the all important user numbers. There are many ways to contribute to a community, and those who do make worthwhile contributions should also have a right to have their say not only heard, but respected. To be told that only certain types of contribution warrant a 'right' to gripe is frankly insulting. Without worthwhile contributions, Dakka would be a ghost town. To ensure the contributions are worthwhile requires attentive moderation. A thankless job, surely, but thats not something people are ignorant to when they take the responsibility.

Mannahnin wrote:Hellfury, you've been cut your fair share (or more) of slack over the years, and had many of your needs catered to. In part out of recognition of your longstanding membership and the many good contributions you've made (like your recent Space Hulk stuff).

If you don't like the place, you know where the door is.

If you have an issue with one, some, or all of us who are trying to keep it a fun place to spend time, you can talk to us.

If you want to antagonize and insult us, then respice post te. Hominem te memento.

Stercus tauri. Magister Mundi sum!

Sometimes things need to get shaken up a bit for people (myself included) to get a sense of reality occasionally.

I say what I say because as you mods already are well aware I am taking you all on to task. Threads get locked when a simple "Hey knock it off! OT posts are being deleted so the discussion can continue" could be just as well handled with the same amount of effort. Warnings could be given instead of ignoring egregious trolling. Mods being deliberately belligerent and thus no better than trolls themselves on occasion, etc. etc. etc. ad nausaeum.

It nurtures a lack of respect from the community towards the administration. That communication you speak of works both ways.

Though if you view my antagonizing challenges as something that should not be present on dakka, then you know how to ban me. As already noted long ago I have no compunction if this should be or not be and have invited such with open arms in the past.

I see it as two separate ideologies struggling with how each views how things should operate. I simply disagree with Gonads assertion and voiced it with pejorative disdain.

Meh, I like most people on dakka, a few idiots always, as with anything, ever. Though I can't sat that I have ever thought of leaving just because of a few morons.

The mods are excellent!

Only time I have ever been banned:

A feth-wipe idiot posted a thread about eldar being gay, using graphic language, while I was in the bathroom.

Anyway, I put the best time, keep it up!

Ive personally had a pretty nice experience on dakka since I joined. Ive only ever been "warned" once in my over 6k posts, and it was mainly agreeing that the person I was having problems with was being a total jerk, but to stop jerking back.

DAKKA also let me carry on the Deff Rolla petition and post links on this site for the petition. I was banned from about 4 other forums and even dished out a perma ban on another for just trying to get the petition on there. I never thought I would meet so much resistance for trying to improve our hobby.

And not to sound like a brown noser, but I think the mods do a fairly good job on patrolling the problems on here. Ive seen alot of posts edited from not being polite, and threads locked, heard of people getting the can too. But Im also glad they arnt nazis, it allows for some nice conversation/debates.

Dakka mods are fair and usually goes the extra mile to personally get to the bottom of cases.

Upon reading my post i see i was been vague and some people took the opportunity to claim me bad mouthing dakka mods.

No that is not the case. Like i said earlier , leniency can be both a good and bad thing , its bad when the abusers dance around the rules and leniency,
hence the ones to blame are the abusers.

sebster:

So who wants to draw up a list of "best practices" or rules about how to follow the Dakka rules?

I'm a strong advocate of stifling people on Dakka Dakka. I can read entire threads solely from people in my Ignore list. I still read them, however, as it's more of the principle of the thing. Practically speaking the only thing you do by ignoring the people on your Ignore list is exempting yourself from the discussion.

The problem is not whether there should be more or less draconian measures taken in controlling the posters, but in controlling content. It's no mistake that the best forums on Dakka Dakka are those where there is the least debate, and more communal effort by posters to add constructive criticism and comments.

Many people, it seem, have no problems with constructive criticism when it's to do with painting or battle reports. It's really hard for posters like H.B.M.C to thread-gak about how Jervis Johnson touched him in a bad place when the topic is painting. Likewise it's hard for people to play the "Starship Enterprise vs Death Star" game when the rules are played out in the context of a public game.

Without economic access to active moderation, Dakka Dakka relies on passive moderation like that of a teacher in a play-ground, whereby a poster uses moderation not to resolve a dispute, but as a weapon to suppress another poster and their voice. I know because I prosecuted such a campaign against another poster; whether this campaign was ultimately successful or futile, the poster is now banned after I had constantly followed and complained about his behaviour. For a while it seemed as though I had my own obnoxious dingle-berry clinging to the threads I posted in.

But if someone is to be banned, it should be because of the content they contribute (or don't) to the site as well as their attitude or beliefs, because the tone and quality of their posts reflects on Dakka Dakka. Someone who is constantly rude and even believes that rudeness is required to speak truth reflects badly on Dakka Dakka because the truth of the matter is that the truth is neither polite nor rude however politely or rudely presented.

There are people that claim that text cannot convey tone, as if the evidence of there being novels and rhetorical works was insufficient. Beyond spelling and grammar people need to develop a style that accurately and easily conveys tone. But tone has to match other content, such as by contrast in the case of irony, or exaggeration in the case of satire, or the salience in the case of worthwhile advice.

When someone posts something thoroughly idiotic, off-topic, incoherent, poorly-spelled, half-baked, irrelvant, or worthless you should be able to call it and to defend the merits of such a claim. I personally prefer to both be called on my mistakes when the person doing the calling has found an error in my reasoning, and is willing to take the time and have the patience to help me figure out why they're right, as I would be patient with them. Posters concerned with self-aggrandizement, or simply quarreling, or politically motivated to defend or attack a particular position or opinion or just plain trolling are the reasons why this forum falls short of its potential.

A good first rule is not to post a lot.

Another good rule is to not reply to people if they make you angry.

KingCracker wrote:Ive personally had a pretty nice experience on dakka since I joined. Ive only ever been "warned" once in my over 6k posts, and it was mainly agreeing that the person I was having problems with was being a total jerk, but to stop jerking back.

DAKKA also let me carry on the Deff Rolla petition and post links on this site for the petition. I was banned from about 4 other forums and even dished out a perma ban on another for just trying to get the petition on there. I never thought I would meet so much resistance for trying to improve our hobby.

And not to sound like a brown noser, but I think the mods do a fairly good job on patrolling the problems on here. Ive seen alot of posts edited from not being polite, and threads locked, heard of people getting the can too. But Im also glad they arnt nazis, it allows for some nice conversation/debates.

You don't have to refer to yourself as a 'brown-noser', just to compliment the staff.

Dakka is great, I avoid the forums that bore or annoy me, and I ignore the posts that do the same. I like Dakka for the people on it, and the awesome format. It really isn't for me to say what the mods should be doing, because I don't have access to all the information they do, nor do I have a particularly good reason to psuedo-moderate the site for my own satisfaction.

It's a bit abrasive, but I have never seen such thoroughly discussed subjects, as I find on Dakka. I like that people disagree, that is very healthy. I also like that there are very intelligent posters to engage in different topics, and through that I can actually learn something of substance. Out of the thousands upon thousands of threads, I think it a bit unfair to consider the majority to be lacking in civility. Most often people are quite friendly, and that can easily extend into a heated debate; there is not automatic reason that discussions need to be intense, but I consider those that are, to be some of the best reads.

It is fairly easy to ignore the bits that annoy me, and I accomplish that without need of the ignore button.

Anyway... this is the internet, and this is a wargaming site.

HUZZAH!

Wrexasaur wrote:Anyway... this is the internet, and this is a wargaming site.

HUZZAH!

Needs more Dakka.

Hellfury wrote:

Waaagh_Gonads wrote: I'd say the only people with a 'right' to gripe are the employees and those who have ponied up the cash to become DCMs and have a monetary stake in dakka to help support it.

I've been here over 10 years and dakka has had its ups and downs.

Spoken like someone who easily forgets it was many posters that made this site what it is and have stuck through lots of crap and neglect to make sure it was maintained even if they weren't a mod or DCM.

I let my DCM lapse because of quality of moderation (or lack thereof) and have never renewed since the transfer of ownership. The quality of which hasn't changed very much since those by gone days.

In times of neglect a select few made vigilante attempts at keeping the place sane. But I wouldn't expect a brown-nosing yes-man to understand that, even if he were part of that before he even became a mod with a far too exalted sense of purpose while treating dakka as his own toilet.

You're opinion is duly noted and has been duly discarded with a flush.

I am sensing a few boos from the peanut gallery.



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focusedfire wrote:I find all of this moderately amusing.

This post is weiner dog approved!

The D bag moderators

Obvious troll is... Easily located.

Grambo wrote:The D bag moderators

And of course, you all take the bait.

You'd be the expert. :p

Just question GWAR!. How come you like dakka so much when there seems to be so much unnecessary negativity aimed at your direction?

Because like most UK residents, he is Hard.

The Dreadnote wrote:Because like most UK residents, he is Hard.

Quite right auld chap! Care to join me for a round or seven of knuckleboxing while I send Jeeves out to make some Manwiches?

Cheesecat wrote:Just question GWAR!. How come you like dakka so much when there seems to be so much unnecessary negativity aimed at your direction?

Because I loves it so much that no amount of hate will dissuade me. And lets not forget, Dakka now has not only one, but TWO people who GW asked to write/stole (delete as applicable) FAQ material. I think it's safe to say with that reputation, DakkaDakka outclasses just about anyone when it comes to Warhammer 40k rules discussions!

Edit: Irrelevant post.

Ahem...

I thought the "tongue sticking out" thing would indicate that I wasn't entirely serious. Particularly considering the context of this thread concerning Gwar!

Let's get ahold of ourselves.

Huh? I'm completely lost what just happened who am I what year is this?

No, srsly. Rain was trying to be negative? If so, you fail at trolling my good sir.

After all, I would know!

Not negative, just some good-natured tomfoolery.

People read far too deeply into things.

Monster Rain wrote:Not negative, just some good-natured tomfoolery.

People read far too deeply into things.

Sorry Monster Rain but I didn't notice the tongue sticking out in the corner, I'm so use to seeing orkmoticons.

Would you like a hug to make it better?

Or gentlemanly handshake?

Kiss?

Or cookies?

Oh not at all, good sir. I need to post less from my phone until I get the keystrokes for the orkmoticons down.

Go in peace, fair brother.

Don't go into arguments if you are arrogant or learn to not answer to the bait and things should go fine.

Monster Rain wrote:Oh not at all, good sir. I need to post less from my phone until I get the keystrokes for the orkmoticons down.

Go in peace, fair brother.

Sweet that means more cookies for me!

wow, this again. well OP, dakka is far more likely to let things slide than other forums, sure this place has its Jack holes, but what place doesnt? Most of the Mods are fair and decent people, and do a good job. (though the random wiener dog thing drives me up the wall)
All in all dakka is a great place. though at times it can get a bit stupid, depending on who you converse with or what is being discussed.
just ignore the people that get on your nerves.

remember rule number one and dont fall for trolls that try and bait you.

Oh and i wanna cookie too.....

Hawkins wrote:wow, this again. well OP, dakka is far more likely to let things slide than other forums, sure this place has its Jack holes, but what place doesnt? Most of the Mods are fair and decent people, and do a good job. (though the random wiener dog thing drives me up the wall)
All in all dakka is a great place. though at times it can get a bit stupid, depending on who you converse with or what is being discussed.
just ignore the people that get on your nerves.

remember rule number one and dont fall for trolls that try and bait you.

Oh and i wanna cookie too.....

Um, sorry Hawkins but I ate them all cause no one seemed interested at the time.

NÖÖÖÖÖÖ!!!!!!!!!

I love Dakka. For me, it has rendered irrelevant all other message boards.

Hawkins wrote:NÖÖÖÖÖÖ!!!!!!!!!

Well I do have some leftovers in the fridge you can have those, if you like.

DakkaDakka

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So, in summary, we 're all awesome.

Hooray.