sucky teaser, didn't tease at all. they shoulda at least had a quicky montage of shots at the very end so you can see a little more than some old dude standing around
That was more of a tease of a tease of a possible tease coming up.
/If I had John Hurt's voice, I would randomly prank call people and shout "We are being buried beneath the avalanche of your inadequacies, Mr. Creedy!".
Pfff waste of time, hardly a teaser. Lets look at some flashy font effects isn't what I call a teaser, more guns shooting and aliens exploding is more of a teaser.
Ok, yeah. Considering the "Teaser" was a Marine just standing there, more of a cockblock than a cock tease.
Having said that:
1) The disfigured marine's face - holy smokes. For the first ever 40k movie, I was expecting them to play the "safer" route by having the handsome chizzled jawed marine hero you'd usually expect.
2) Voice acting - best voice intro into 40k ever. Colour me impressed.
3) Lets face it, Ultramarines are, quite frankly, awesome. You're just bored of them because 40k tends to be "The Ultramarines show. and friends". However, I've not seen that many Ultramarine 40k movies to be bored of this, so I'm not fussed.
4) I'm equally excited in this venture in not just how this movie turns out, but the concept - if it turns out to be a success, you may well see a future movie featuring your favourite manic depressive/crippling character trait chapter that didn't make it in the first cut!
A bit underwhelming. The render of the Space Marine was really nice and put some of my fears from the concept renders to rest - their proportions used to be really effed up. Voice cast looks good but we knew that already. The font blasting all over the place was kinda lame. There just wasn't a whole lot there. Then again, the first teasers for Batman Begins were bats flying in front of a bat symbol, so I've definitely seen more vague teasers.
You want a better teaser? Go watch the beginning of the Dawn of War games again.
I really like how its shaping up, but that was a really bad "Teaser". What was the point of registering for that garbage?
And the more importaint question, when are the new limited edition figures going to come out? Seeing some hook like this ususally means that the sales snacks arn't far behind.
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AgeOfEgos wrote:That was more of a tease of a tease of a possible tease coming up.
/If I had John Hurt's voice, I would randomly prank call people and shout "We are being buried beneath the avalanche of your inadequacies, Mr. Creedy!".
Alpharius wrote:I think the CGI looks rather nice.
The proportions looked good, so that's one less thing to worry about, right?
And please, as has been noted, this was a TEASER, NOT a TRAILER.
Enjoy!
True it was a teaser but I think people were hoping for a little more then font flashes and a mug shot. Maybe a little action sequence without having to reveal anything...let us know how awesome the cgi is going to be by showing some animation.
Now I know the name of the film, the 40k catchphase and the names of some voice actors I've never heard of.
Seriously? Some classic British actors there.
John Hurt has been in Hellboy among others, but his best recent film was The Proposition. His classic role was probably in Alien. Check out his filmography: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000457/
Terrance Stamp is also an excellent actor - you may have seen him in Smallville or The Phantom Menace. I personally thought The Limey was a brilliant film. Filmography: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000654/
Sean Pertwee is good, but probably a bit more on-dimensional as an actor - his biggest role is probably in Dog Soldiers. Filmography: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0675730/
Oh, the teaser was a waste of time. Looked OK, but gave us nothing!
Since when were space marines old men? Seriously I know 75 year olds that look younger than that marine they showed. Is he going to use his power cane on some orcs?
Too much of a tease, probaly resulting in another tease, hopefully the movie itself doesnt look as horrible as old boy in the teaser, and I do mean old boy. That cat looks like he belongs in a nurseing home not in power armor!!
Ill still watch it when it finally drops, but that was almost a waste of 1 minute. I did laugh at the greatest of them all is the UltraMarines. You know its because the CEO plays them is all
Melissia wrote:In fact it gets to the point where I think that GW employees have an unhealthy homo-erotic fixation with musclebound ugly old bald men...
That might say a bit more about you then everyone else...
I have to admit though, that marine was rather old looking, especially with 'only' one service stud...
generalgrog wrote:It's quite obvious that some people don't understand the difference between a teaser and a trailer.
If you felt "teased" and left wanting more..... guess what it was probably a teaser.
Then I guess it's neither, because it's left me less interested. "the greatest of them all is the Ultramarines"? ... please
The proportions look good though, that I am pleased about. It's one of the things that annoys me greatly about dawn of war II compared to the first one... the space marines look really absurd.
OK.... i almost broke my fingers typing so fast to get to that website... couldn' t remember my login info... sent for it via email and waited....finally got logged in and that was it? What the frag?
I'm still excited about the movie.... wait I'm more than excited, i'm like jacked up on mountain dew excited. I could have done without the white eyebrows.....especially if he only had one medal stud in his head. Geez...reminds me of some 60 year old National Guard Sgt. LOL. sorry my national guard friends.
vonjankmon wrote:Since when were space marines old men? Seriously I know 75 year olds that look younger than that marine they showed. Is he going to use his power cane on some orcs?
Orlanth wrote:After these reviews I am not registering, it will be on YouTube soon.
I will laugh if Damnatus is better.
I don't think you can call the opinions on this site really reviews. Reviews would imply that someone has seen the whole film which I'm pretty sure nobody has. Give the film a chance when it comes out, We may well be surprised. And about the whole "greatest of them all" thing fluff wise they do have one of if not the most pure flaw free geneseed left to the imperium and they do have quite a few successor chapters based off that geneseed.
So in fact they MAY be the greatest of them all.
generalgrog wrote:It's quite obvious that some people don't understand the difference between a teaser and a trailer.
If you felt "teased" and left wanting more..... guess what it was probably a teaser.
Then I guess it's neither, because it's left me less interested. "the greatest of them all is the Ultramarines"? ... please
The proportions look good though, that I am pleased about. It's one of the things that annoys me greatly about dawn of war II compared to the first one... the space marines look really absurd.
My bad.
They 'teased' people about the 'teaser' by hyping it up that they were going to show 'something' that was suppose to be amazing.
With the quote below -
The long-awaited teaser, featuring the very first segment of finished animation, will go live on the movie website on Saturday 29 May – but you’ll have to be registered and logged in to view it (and, to be ready, you can do so here).
We hope it’ll give you a real sense of the amazing quality of the animation, and the look of the film. But – not surprisingly – it won’t give away much more!
I agree with that the teaser wasn't the most action packed or anything like that. But who knows maybe there was issues getting the trailer that was supposed to come out finished in time or some craziness like that.
Bloodfrenzy187 wrote:I agree with that the teaser wasn't the most action packed or anything like that. But who knows maybe there was issues getting the trailer that was supposed to come out finished in time or some craziness like that.
Or I hope they are planning on releasing a series of teasers. That this would just be the first to get us ... talking.
who knows...
Was hoping for it to be a bit longer, but the graphical quality looks like it will be about on par with the intro to DoW2, which is all I could hope for in a movie.
I think most people don't understand what a teaser trailer is. For those who don't please read:
From Wikipedia(abbreviated):
A teaser trailer, or teaser is a short trailer used to advertise an upcoming movie, game or television series.
Teasers, unlike typical theatrical trailers, are usually very short in length (between 30–60 seconds) and usually contain little, if any, actual footage from the film. [...]
Teasers are also commonly used in advertising. The so-called teaser ad/campaign consists typically in (a series of) small, cryptic, challenging, advertisements which anticipate a large(r), full-blown campaign for a product launch or otherwise important event.
Their purpose is less to tell the audience about a movie's content than simply to let them know that the movie is coming up in the near future, and to add to the hype of the upcoming release.[...]
See, it isn't going to tell you anything other than to make everyone aware that there is indeed a movie being made. Guess what? It worked.
As for the person who said the movie had "A bunch of actors I've never heard of." LOL. Ever heard of a little movie called Alien? Maybe one of the most classic sci-fi movies of all time. Well John Hurt is the guy that has an alien burst of of his chest. You should check it out some time. It's a great movie.
Don't be ashamed of me, I've said this movie would suck and be boring ever since it was first announced. It's an ultramarines movie, it'll probably be worse than the fanwank that is C:SM.
"And the greatest of them all is the Ultramarines" =
The trailer hasn't got pumped but I'll give this film a chance. I hope its based on Hive Fleet Behemoth invading Macragge that would be awesome but I doubt some how.
Melissia wrote:Don't be ashamed of me, I've said this movie would suck and be boring ever since it was first announced. It's an ultramarines movie, it'll probably be worse than the fanwank that is C:SM.
Tbh I'm interested in the big picture, if this does well we may get others that would appeal to me more in the future.
Of course, I have nothing against Ultramarines really anyways, so as long as its a good story, this might turn out to be a pretty good watch. I'll be grabbing it regardless to back up my first point, the better it does, the more chance we'll get another.
As someone else said above, at least this shows more promise than those renders did a while back.
Oh and as to the teaser length, what it showed, other studios out there do the same all the time. For example.
And yet, my opinions remain. It's not as if I'm the only one that holds them, either. Indeed, one of the biggest complaints that I heard about C:SM when it first came out was how much it wanked off Ultramarines.
It's a teaser not a trailer, and I don't know what some of these nerds are complaining, it seems that they want this movie to fail before even seeing it. I'm looking forward to see this movie and hope it be a good one, at least voiceactors are good.
Can anyone make out the leering skull in the background between the flashes of light? I noticed it on second viewing and can't tell if it's a Nid/Ork/Human...looks almost Nidish to me.
alfab wrote:It's a teaser not a trailer, and I don't know what some of these nerds are complaining, it seems that they want this movie to fail before even seeing it. I'm looking forward to see this movie and hope it be a good one, at least voiceactors are good.
AgeOfEgos wrote:Can anyone make out the leering skull in the background between the flashes of light? I noticed it on second viewing and can't tell if it's a Nid/Ork/Human...looks almost Nidish to me.
I think that it´s an Ork, but I aint completely sure. WAAAAGH!!!
Here´s a picture.
AgeOfEgos wrote:Can anyone make out the leering skull in the background between the flashes of light? I noticed it on second viewing and can't tell if it's a Nid/Ork/Human...looks almost Nidish to me.
I think that it´s an Ork, but I aint completely sure. WAAAAGH!!!
Here´s a picture.
Two issues for me. First of all, It's ultramarines, who I find bland & hate above all others. Second, I'm no expert on SM organization but ". . .featuring Captain Severus of the 2nd Company Ultramarines. . ." isn't Cato Siccarius the captain of the 2nd company?
Edit: Special thanks to CruoAngelus, I hate having to give out an email address just to see a teaser, even if it is my spam-only account.
Shas'O Dorian wrote:Two issues for me. First of all, It's ultramarines, who I find bland & hate above all others.
Second, I'm no expert on SM organization but ". . .featuring Captain Severus of the 2nd Company Ultramarines. . ." isn't Cato Siccarius the captain of the 2nd company?
Edit:
Special thanks to CruoAngelus, I hate having to give out an email address just to see a teaser, even if it is my spam-only account.
Shas'O Dorian wrote:Two issues for me. First of all, It's ultramarines, who I find bland & hate above all others.
Second, I'm no expert on SM organization but ". . .featuring Captain Severus of the 2nd Company Ultramarines. . ." isn't Cato Siccarius the captain of the 2nd company?
Edit:
Special thanks to CruoAngelus, I hate having to give out an email address just to see a teaser, even if it is my spam-only account.
I applaud the choice of Ultramarines: they are the iconic chapter of Space marines and the most fitting to feature in a movie as a result.
Also people need to get over the Ultramarine hate. it is lame and stopped being funny ages ago. Seriously the joke is old, very old...
That being said I find the trailer for the Space Marine console game to be far more cinematic and bad ass then this. I think they should do the movie to be honest...
And yes I don't understand why we have a new Captain of the 2nd company...
I think instead of a "teaser" trailer they should have just posted a picture of that guy. The only thing that seemed to move was his chin!
Automatically Appended Next Post: And I agree with the people who said the Dawn of War intros were better. I also preferred the voice from the Space marines game trailer, that was perfect. Mr Stamps voice seemed out of place.
Dan Abnett wrote:Big turn out at the stand too - nice to see you all. And I hope I answered the questions about "why the Ultramarines?" well enough. We want to welcome people into the extraordinary Universe of 40K, and convert them to its faith, so we need to establish the definitive concept of Space Marines very effectively, so that people ‘get them’ quickly and easily. Ultramarines do that superbly well. They are a great starting point, and it’s pretty daft to think we’d be better off going for something more obscure or specialist. Besides, has anyone thought to tell the mighty Mister Graham McNeill that Ultramarines aren’t (whisper it) popular? Thought not.
ultramarines are gonna fail. i see it now, imperial guard are fighting a losing battle against the [insert name here], siddenly the ultramarines apear, and it all gos awesomesauce, and the enemeies are pushed back, then the shifty space marine (probably a librarian) will be betraying them, and it will all go pear shaped. Then, the main character, and his elite hit squad will swoop in, save the day, kill the librarian, and get the girl. All to electric power ballad music.
Still, the cgi itself looks ok enough to watch i 'spose.
Martyn Pick, director, says, “It is very exciting for us to be able to show this very first segment of finished animation for ULTRAMARINES. It captures a moment in the story where Captain Severus is reflecting on the imminent menace, and showcases both the quality of the animation, and the movie’s distinctive and powerful look.”
You guys are suppsoe to be blown away from the quality of animation and distinctive powerful look
Martyn Pick, director, says, “It is very exciting for us to be able to show this very first segment of finished animation for ULTRAMARINES. It captures a moment in the story where Captain Severus is reflecting on the imminent menace, and showcases both the quality of the animation, and the movie’s distinctive and powerful look.”
You guys are suppsoe to be blown away from the quality of animation and distinctive powerful looook!!!
Yeah, I think they kinda dropped the ball with that one.
Martyn Pick, director, says, “It is very exciting for us to be able to show this very first segment of finished animation for ULTRAMARINES. It captures a moment in the story where Captain Severus is reflecting on the imminent menace, and showcases both the quality of the animation, and the movie’s distinctive and powerful look.”
You guys are suppsoe to be blown away from the quality of animation and distinctive powerful look
Actually, that is the one thing I took away from it. The Space Marine looks like a dirty, aged battle axe with notches/scars from numerous near death wounds....which is much better than what I was concerned about (Fabio marines with perfect complexions).
Heh at least Severius puts on his mask, eventually.
The actual art itself isnt bad based on the flikr.
The movie can be great, the teaser just failed to its hype.
They did indicate that its the 'first' teaser, lets just hope the 2nd isn't a facepalm.
That artwork is very telling...they've completely eliminated any 'reality' (and I use that term lightly) that a person could fit into that suit of power-armor and instead tried to make the proportions match more of what a typical person in a full suit of (non-powered) armor has looked like.
I think that's a very smart choice as already people are commenting about how the proportions seem to be 'right' now. So while it may not be accurate, having greatly reduced the iconic size of the Marines shoulder-pads and lower legs definitely helps to make them look much less cartoony, even if proportionately it wouldn't fly.
And for the record, I despise Ultramarines with all my soul, but I of course am looking forward to this movie with great excitement.
Dan Abnett wrote:The first small but perfectly formed piece of the Ultramarines movie went on show yesterday...
I believe the term is 'lolno'.
That was terrible. The animation was iffy, it looked almost cartoonish. It's that horrible bland style where they don't want to pay to bridge the uncanny valley, so they just settle for lots of normal-mapping and unrealistically darkened shadows and hope nobody notices that if you put it through a cell-shading render it would look like a disney film.
Also, what is it with GW trying to piss off all their other customers? Even if Ultramarines are the most played army of all, that doesn't mean the majority of players collect Ultramarines. For example, if 10% of players collect Ultramarines, that might be higher than any other army, but it's still only 10% of all the players. If GW say 'Ultramarines are the bestest soldiers ever, if you picked any other army sucks to be you because your army wishes it could be as great as the Ultramarines!' they're pissing off 90% of their playerbase to appease 10% of it. It's a false economy.
Dan Abnett wrote:The first small but perfectly formed piece of the Ultramarines movie went on show yesterday...
I believe the term is 'lolno'.
That was terrible. The animation was iffy, it looked almost cartoonish. It's that horrible bland style where they don't want to pay to bridge the uncanny valley, so they just settle for lots of normal-mapping and unrealistically darkened shadows and hope nobody notices that if you put it through a cell-shading render it would look like a disney film.
Also, what is it with GW trying to piss off all their other customers? Even if Ultramarines are the most played army of all, that doesn't mean the majority of players collect Ultramarines. For example, if 10% of players collect Ultramarines, that might be higher than any other army, but it's still only 10% of all the players. If GW say 'Ultramarines are the bestest soldiers ever, if you picked any other army sucks to be you because your army wishes it could be as great as the Ultramarines!' they're pissing off 90% of their playerbase to appease 10% of it. It's a false economy.
So what army would be a better choice? They have to pick something and invariably whatever they pick is going to make people who don't care for that army unhappy. Ultramarines are a very popular army, so why not use them? I personally don't care for the Ultramarines at all but I understand that they are very much an iconic image of the Space Marine and Warhammer 40K in general, so they seem like the natural choice to be the subject of the first 40K movie.
And as for animation quality, everyone needs to check their expectations if they're expecting the best animation you've ever seen.
No realistic animation has ever come close to bridging the uncanny valley, even the most expensive animation of all time, so I'm not sure what you were hoping for.
And there's no way we can expect this to be the same animation quality as say, even the best animation in video game trailers. Those projects are quite short and yet they still pay the best animation houses in the world top dollar for just a few minutes.
This is going to be a straight to DVD release to a relatively small market I'm actually impressed by the level of quality we've seen so far in this trailer.
Obviously its very easy to hate something, and find its flaws. But to be frank, we did not get much. At least nothing really....good.
First and foremost "All that stands in their way are the mighty Space Marines..." What a slap in the face to every poor IG unenhanced guardsmen watching a Xenos force baring down on him, clutching his las rifle! I mean really!
The trailer itself was ok. Yes, it was only a teaser trailer, and a teaser trailer isnt meant to show off every vivid detail of the movie. But in the most basic sense, a teaser trailer should entice me to want to see the movie, and I feel this one falls short. All Ive really learnt is that
a) In the 41st millennium there is war
b) Space Marines fight for humans
c) Ultramarines are the bestest
But really, when the movie itself is called "Ultramarines" a lot of that is evident. Even someone who isnt into the hobby can find that much out with a bit of searching. But even if thats what they are going on (that they want to attract people who have no idea what WH40k is) they still fell short. The trailer completely lacked dynamism. When the voiceover starts talking about the alien threats, it would be great to see some shadowy silhouetted depictions of those aliens, or better yet see Mr. Ultramarine standing atop a pile of corpse. Or even as a bare minimum, to see his bolter. Something alluding to the constant state of war the teaser is telling me the universe has descended to. I think some more noise would have helped too. Bolter fire, or screams, or even grunts. Anything. I guess the credit roll at the end sort of had gun shot noises. Kind of.
And like others, I dont really like the choice of Ultramarines either. Mostly because its like the UM are GWs army, the one they play most often. So they get the spotlight constantly. If you see this trailer, and then take a look at Space Marines on the e-store, youre pretty much going to assume that UM are Space Marines, that there are no other chapters. Using another Chapter would at least showoff the diversity that is possible. And frankly some of the more flawed Chapters would make more interesting characters.
yakface wrote:So what army would be a better choice? They have to pick something and invariably whatever they pick is going to make people who don't care for that army unhappy. Ultramarines are a very popular army, so why not use them? I personally don't care for the Ultramarines at all but I understand that they are very much an iconic image of the Space Marine and Warhammer 40K in general, so they seem like the natural choice to be the subject of the first 40K movie.
The problem isn't with them picking Ultramarines, it's with stuff like this. Was it necessary for that teaser to say 'the greatest of them is the Ultramarines'?
What's wrong with saying 'the Ultramarines are great'? Then everybody who collects another Space Marine army doesn't feel like their favourites are second-rate. They're not pissing off the majority of their playerbase to make only the Ultramarine players feel special.
It's a self-fufilling prophecy at that. Perhaps the Ultramarines are only popular because GW keep writing about how they're better than everyone else. Perhaps, after his film, all the new players we get are going to play Ultramarines because they think they're the 'best Space Marines ever'. Perhaps, with the increased popularity of the Ultramarines from those new players, GW will allocate yet more of their resources into the Ultramarines, which makes them more popular, which means GW will allocate yet more of their resources into the Ultramarines, etc. Until we end up with GW only ever updating Space Marines, and only selling blue paint.
I love 'em too, but no way were they going to beat out the Ultras!
How do you figure? In terms of the numbers each Chapter can muster? Or are we talking about a UM tac Marine moping the floor with an equal Raven Guard? Or any Chapter. Are the UMs getting the better organs or something? With 100s upon 100s of chapters, the UM still have to be the best regardless? Seems rather weak.
I love 'em too, but no way were they going to beat out the Ultras!
How do you figure? In terms of the numbers each Chapter can muster? Or are we talking about a UM tac Marine moping the floor with an equal Raven Guard? Or any Chapter. Are the UMs getting the better organs or something? With 100s upon 100s of chapters, the UM still have to be the best regardless? Seems rather weak.
He's talking more about the fact that Ultramarines are, as I said earlier, the "most human" of all the Chapters. They live and interact among humans pretty constantly. They take a personal interest in the workings of the Ultramar system, etc etc.
Raven Guard do their absolute best to stay out of the spotlight, even amongst themselves.
The Ultramarine's are the greatest For this simple fact they were the largest legion at the end of the heresy and the ultra geneseed is present in some where in the range of %80 of the chapters that exist at this point. The point of this thread is the trailer not who you think it should be about if you want to talk about that take it to another thread and quit doing it in this one.
It is a 40k movie so I will buy and watch it I would love it to be about the space wolves but i will live with it as is.
Make an imperial gaurd movie and have the space marines show up art the end to steal all the glory, I don't like how they've completly changed the captain of the second company though.
plus with 1000 chapters out their they could of put them all on a big wheeland spun it to see which one to pick
Rube wrote:Christ, we KNOW what a teaser is! This is just a bad teaser.
I agree with you on the second part, but go through the posts and see how many people are comparing this teaser to a 3 minute long trailer (some with links)...
I will be starting an Ultramarines army, simply based on the angst in this thread.
The Ultramarines are the closest thing to good guys that the Imperium has. That's why they're the subject of the movies. The Iron Hands' purging of the Contqual Sector,while cool, would most likely turn off people that aren't quite so into grimdark.
I hope you all understand that this movie is not for us but for the further propogation of the GW franchise to mainstream audiences. I hope the people creating this movie ignore the fickle fanbase and create a descent action movie that gets new people interested and excited about 40k. Remember the more people in our hobby, the better things will become so we should really get behind this movie.
Anyhoo any one expecting avatar level animation needs to check their expectations in at the door. GW wont have the budget for even 5 seconds of that. I reckon getting those iconic names as voice actors was a brilliant move and at least brings quality acting and helps audiences get drawn into the movie as those voices will be familar to most people. I think that's moeny better spent than graphics that after a couple of seconds people basically ignore (avatar anyone, five minutes of hey thats cool and then it was pretty much who cares). But at least the graphics are better than the clone wars animated series.
Finally, I bet most of the people who have negatively posted thus far have no clue as to what goes into getting the textures, wire frames and rendering effects together to make that teaser. Remember they arent producing animation for computer games here but cinema level viewing, it is a completely different level. Even at the level you saw in the teaser, that represents a huge amount of effort. I think the makers of ultramarine have been really generous with the amount of media they have freely shared with us. Some of us should be a lot more greatful, more thoughtful and far more constructive with their critisism.
"Ultramanzz suck, and Imma against the establishment!!!11one1!"
Normally I'm not one for rants, but when a beatdown of, what, 20 seconds of footage is based on a personal hatred of the Space Romans, it gets me a little riled.
Look, the Ultramarines are not that bad. Yeah, I said it, they aren't as bad as some people are making out. I've read that damn new C:SM, and yes, it's god-awful in places (such as anything to do with Marneus Calgar), but it's not the be-all and end-all of the source material for the Ultramarines. They actually have some pretty good fluff if you discount the Codex, such as their being the legion with the purest gene-seed, their hatred of the 'nids due to the invasion of Ultramar, and the idea that they echo Ancient Rome at the height of it's glory. The hate really just comes from people who think they aren't interesting enough (not everyone can be a Space Viking you know) and thus label anything to do with them as "rubbish."
On topic, yes, the teaser was a little more basic than I would have liked, but then that's what teasers do. I think somebody mentioned the Batman Begins teaser a few pages back?
Rube wrote:Also, what is it with GW trying to piss off all their other customers? Even if Ultramarines are the most played army of all, that doesn't mean the majority of players collect Ultramarines. For example, if 10% of players collect Ultramarines, that might be higher than any other army, but it's still only 10% of all the players. If GW say 'Ultramarines are the bestest soldiers ever, if you picked any other army sucks to be you because your army wishes it could be as great as the Ultramarines!' they're pissing off 90% of their playerbase to appease 10% of it. It's a false economy.
This is how the Codex writing works, though. Every army is 'featured' and the best at what they do (waiting for Codex; Wolverine) in their own book. I would almost be surprised if they weren't.
I would guess if this does well we might see more Chapters, and maybe IG and Imperial elements, in follow-ups... I expect it to be a bit 'stylized' so if the Blood Angels show up they will be pretty boys, the Space Wolves will be hairy barbarians, etc.
Balance wrote:This is how the Codex writing works, though. Every army is 'featured' and the best at what they do (waiting for Codex; Wolverine) in their own book. I would almost be surprised if they weren't.
It's Codex: Space Marines, not Codex: Ultramarines. Though from reading the codex you can hardly tell this fact.
Hell, papa smurf's litlte smurflings make a presence in the fething painting section of C:WH, they're so damn ubiquitous it makes me want to hurlk. Preferably a rock, and preferably at a GW employee for putting the ugly frakkers into my Sisters codex.
Then you haven't read many posts. One of the biggest complaints I've heard about it is how they glorify Ultramarines over every other chapter any chance they can, even going so far as to claim the other chapters-- INCLUDING the other first founding, IE the other legions-- want to be like the Ultramarines.
Yeah, I'm sure the Iron Hand want to be like the weak and fleshy Ultramarines...
They could be trying to pull more people into the hobby by using a well known name in the 40k universe like the Ultramarines in the movie instead of for instance the Iron Snakes chapter. I agree it would be interesting to see more movies later featuring eldar, IG, orks and all of the other races but i think its ok to start with a well rounded well known chapter of marines.
No, I've read your posts Melissia. This blood vendetta of yours against Space Marines borders on ridiculous.
I'm not going to explain where you're dead wrong about a lot of your assertions about the fluff, as this isn't the thread for it. Just know that by constantly harping on this you look rather ignorant and silly.
Monster Rain wrote:Stated as though practically every page of this thread doesn't prove otherwise... Go ahead and get the last word in, I'm done with this.
... you mean aside from the fact that I've rather explicitly stated that I like Space Wolves and Grey Knights?
Gee willywonkers Monster Rain, I sure am a Marine hater! Why, just the other day, I tied Marny's shoe laces together!
Maybe he can even add some emotion to the role. He didn't do a bad job as Kane in Alien, though I haven't seen many of his films (not being British, where most of them are marketed).
Melissia wrote:It's Codex: Space Marines, not Codex: Ultramarines. Though from reading the codex you can hardly tell this fact.
I think you should re-read the codex then.
I've seen less accurate posts... But not many.
C:SM, pg127, "This army list is based first and foremost around the Ultramarines[...]"
Balance wrote:
Rube wrote:Also, what is it with GW trying to piss off all their other customers? Even if Ultramarines are the most played army of all, that doesn't mean the majority of players collect Ultramarines. For example, if 10% of players collect Ultramarines, that might be higher than any other army, but it's still only 10% of all the players. If GW say 'Ultramarines are the bestest soldiers ever, if you picked any other army sucks to be you because your army wishes it could be as great as the Ultramarines!' they're pissing off 90% of their playerbase to appease 10% of it. It's a false economy.
This is how the Codex writing works, though. Every army is 'featured' and the best at what they do (waiting for Codex; Wolverine) in their own book. I would almost be surprised if they weren't
Oh, I agree with you, but that's not what's happening here.
The problem is that they aren't portrayed as the best at what they do (discipline, order, painting their armor a naff shade of blue), they're portrayed at being the best at everything. Why do they have "the most powerful psyker in the Imperium" (C:SM, pg86) for example? How are they the "best Space Marines ever"?
Is it necessary to say that "all Space Marine chapters want to be like the Ultramarines", or that they are "the greatest [Space Marines] of them all"?
Those statements aren't saying that the Ultramarines are best at what they do, they're saying that the Ultramarines are just the best.
Melissia wrote:It's Codex: Space Marines, not Codex: Ultramarines. Though from reading the codex you can hardly tell this fact.
I think you should re-read the codex then.
I've seen less accurate posts... But not many.
C:SM, pg127, "This army list is based first and foremost around the Ultramarines[...]"
Balance wrote:
Rube wrote:Also, what is it with GW trying to piss off all their other customers? Even if Ultramarines are the most played army of all, that doesn't mean the majority of players collect Ultramarines. For example, if 10% of players collect Ultramarines, that might be higher than any other army, but it's still only 10% of all the players. If GW say 'Ultramarines are the bestest soldiers ever, if you picked any other army sucks to be you because your army wishes it could be as great as the Ultramarines!' they're pissing off 90% of their playerbase to appease 10% of it. It's a false economy.
This is how the Codex writing works, though. Every army is 'featured' and the best at what they do (waiting for Codex; Wolverine) in their own book. I would almost be surprised if they weren't
Oh, I agree with you, but that's not what's happening here.
The problem is that they aren't portrayed as the best at what they do (discipline, order, painting their armor a naff shade of blue), they're portrayed at being the best at everything. Why do they have "the most powerful psyker in the Imperium" (C:SM, pg86) for example? How are they the "best Space Marines ever"?
Is it necessary to say that "all Space Marine chapters want to be like the Ultramarines", or that they are "the greatest [Space Marines] of them all"?
Those statements aren't saying that the Ultramarines are best at what they do, they're saying that the Ultramarines are just the best.
To be fair, we saw a similar vein of fluff writing sneaking into the new Blood Angels codex. Who wrote them? If it was the same person, then we know where it's going wrong.
My point is other books will generally contradict these. Sure, Space Mairnes might have the best psykers, but is the Shadow in the Warp even considered? Or the forces of Tzeentch?
40k's writing style is extremely hyperbolic. That's not totally a bad thing, it's just the way it is.
What you quoted was one facet of the many silly and wildly innaccurate claims being made. I know that the Codex says that. It's one reason why I think Ultramarine emo angst is hysterical.
Gorskar.da.Lost wrote:To be fair, we saw a similar vein of fluff writing sneaking into the new Blood Angels codex. Who wrote them? If it was the same person, then we know where it's going wrong.
Yup, they were both written by Matt Ward.
I would share my opinion of Matt Ward here, but I couldn't without breaking the Dakka posting rules. And the Geneva Convention.
You know who I hate even more than the Ultramarines? People who post in this thread with "...take it easy guys..." or "....what did you expect...."
The whole point of having this thread is for discussion. It doesnt have to be a GW/Ultramarine lovefest, nor does it have to be blind acceptance of everything GW puts out.
countchocula86 wrote:The whole point of having this thread is for discussion. It doesnt have to be a GW/Ultramarine lovefest, nor does it have to be blind acceptance of everything GW puts out.
Avatar was a good movie, but really just had a silly ending. Anyone can see what happens immediately after the credits roll: the mercenaries go home, make up a sob story about the savage natives, the Colonel gets a post-mortem Medal of Honor, the Earth Navy mobilizes and napalms the planet bare from orbit, and then strip-mine that bitch.
Terminus wrote:Avatar was a good movie, but really just had a silly ending. Anyone can see what happens immediately after the credits roll: the mercenaries go home, make up a sob story about the savage natives, the Colonel gets a post-mortem Medal of Honor, the Earth Navy mobilizes and napalms the planet bare from orbit, and then strip-mine that bitch.
Now that you mention it, this is probably what's gonna happen.
Avatar 2, the sequel, won't be very long when all it consists of are scenes cut from Apocalypse Now.
countchocula86 wrote:You know who I hate even more than the Ultramarines? People who post in this thread with "...take it easy guys..." or "....what did you expect...."
The whole point of having this thread is for discussion. It doesnt have to be a GW/Ultramarine lovefest, nor does it have to be blind acceptance of everything GW puts out.
What, so people can't have an opposing opinion from yours now? Surely that's the whole point of a discussion, to have a range of opinions put forward?
Also, where in this thread is there any "blind acceptance?"
countchocula86 wrote:You know who I hate even more than the Ultramarines? People who post in this thread with "...take it easy guys..." or "....what did you expect...."
The whole point of having this thread is for discussion. It doesnt have to be a GW/Ultramarine lovefest, nor does it have to be blind acceptance of everything GW puts out.
What, so people can't have an opposing opinion from yours now? Surely that's the whole point of a discussion, to have a range of opinions put forward?
Also, where in this thread is there any "blind acceptance?"
Didn't you know that not hating everything about Ultramarines and GW in general makes you a n00b fanboi?
Monster Rain wrote:Didn't you know that not hating everything about Ultramarines and GW in general makes you a n00b fanboi?
I'm sure there are many who love Ultras because they honestly believe they are a cool chapter with awesome fluff... But everyone knows there are many who love Ultras because GW repeatedly tells them they should. I bet the type of people who hate Ultras are the same types who are irritated by people who constantly brag about themselves with no basis for their claims to awesomeness.
Monster Rain wrote:Didn't you know that not hating everything about Ultramarines and GW in general makes you a n00b fanboi?
I'm sure there are many who love Ultras because they honestly believe they are a cool chapter with awesome fluff... But everyone knows there are many who love Ultras because GW repeatedly tells them they should.
That's a bit condescending, don't you think? Are you a member of an elite group of people that can resist the GW Thought Reform Program?
I like Sisters and not Marines (well, for the most part anyway, my beliefs and opinions on the subject can hardly be stated in a single sentence), so apparently I am part of that group...
Melissia wrote:Or the people who get annoyed at the ignorant teens who constantly proclaim American pop singers are the cream of musical talent.
QFT.
But anyway, the point being made was that liking Ultramarines does not automatically make you a tool. Some people actually do like them for fluff (and I'm not talking about the new fluff, by the way. No, sir!)
Somewhere in here, the guy you were quoting, or perhaps it was you, said that the DoW2 trailer look is really cartoony and you think it is bad?
I don't know... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QmsNZ6fj3Q this looks pretty good to me. I really hope the movie is par with the visual fidelity in this at least. Am I missing something that makes this look bad?
They still don't do bolters correctly though, in game or in the movie :(
Wow, I can't believe the negative reaction. And I love to complain. I guess it's a sign you're getting older when you just accept things for what they are. I'm excited, makes me want to attend GDUK in hopes they release it there.
Why such cynicism? I'll definitely keep up with it so I can see an actual trailer when it comes out. I've always liked the Ultramarines, as they are pretty much the closest thing to truly possessing nobility and virtue in the 40k universe.
I don't really like the UM, but I am glad they are finally making a 40k movie, even if its about UM.
Although "and the greatest of them all, the Ultramarines" a bit over the top IMO.
I know this is just a catchphrase to get non 40k players to see the movie, but still.
Anyway, enough criticism for something that has barely started, lest wait for a proper trailer instead of a teaser or the movie itself.
countchocula86 wrote:You know who I hate even more than the Ultramarines? People who post in this thread with "...take it easy guys..." or "....what did you expect...."
The whole point of having this thread is for discussion. It doesnt have to be a GW/Ultramarine lovefest, nor does it have to be blind acceptance of everything GW puts out.
What, so people can't have an opposing opinion from yours now? Surely that's the whole point of a discussion, to have a range of opinions put forward?
Also, where in this thread is there any "blind acceptance?"
Can you fail at reading comprehension any more? I don't think it's possible. He is directing his admonishment at people trying to stifle others voicing their opinion, much like you are accusing him of doing. Unless, of course, your point is that people shouldn't tell people that people shouldn't tell people their opinion. In which case, you shouldn't tell people that people shouldn't tell people that people shouldn't tell people their opinion, and so on, and so forth, ad nauseam.
Grignard wrote:I've always liked the Ultramarines, as they are pretty much the closest thing to truly possessing nobility and virtue in the 40k universe.
Only if you ask an Ultramarine. Otherwise, I think they're as corrupt, fascist, self important and domineering as any other imperial army, if not more so. Nobility and virtue are more in line with, and valued by Eldar and Tau ideologies, in my opinion.
But, as was mentioned, this film will be crafted to a standard of universal appeal. And while this teaser kinda sucked, who knows how the movie itself will hold up...
Eldar have no nobility, nor virtue. They will engineer the death of billions to save a small handful. Their entire culture is based upon building mental prisons for their dark impulses, which otherwise have a tendency to create demon gods that want to put things in your butt.
But what makes nobility and virtue is subjective. With one definition, you could say that Ultramarines are indeed noble and virtuous. With another, you could say noone in 40k is.
Man there are some haters out there! Nearly (my disclaimer) everyone here will watch this movie... even if reviews are crap.
Why?
Because it's a 40k movie. And to whoever said a 'better marine' trailer is the starcraft teaser/trailer... may want to think how big a company blizzard is to codex pictures or whatever they are called.
It wasn't the teaser that worries me... it's the timeframe to make this movie.
“It is very exciting for us to be able to show this very first segment of finished animation for ULTRAMARINES
Soooo.... that 3 seconds of animation is all they have FINISHED? I will be as old as the marine by the time it comes out...
Also don't forget that GW only gives the license to people that can do the universe justice, so codex pics must have done something right, even more so if the DoW trailers are anything to go by..
Greatest fear is they make it PG or something ridiculous like that. 40k is a gritty, unhappy place... the rating should reflect that...
Terminus wrote:Avatar was a good movie, but really just had a silly ending. Anyone can see what happens immediately after the credits roll: the mercenaries go home, make up a sob story about the savage natives, the Colonel gets a post-mortem Medal of Honor, the Earth Navy mobilizes and napalms the planet bare from orbit, and then strip-mine that bitch.
Then, 500 years later, enter Borderlands.
Anyway, teaser could've been better, but I still have decent hopes for the movie. Dan Abnett and John Hurt, people!
Terminus wrote:They will engineer the death of billions to save a small handful. Their entire culture is based upon building mental prisons for their dark impulses, which otherwise have a tendency to create demon gods that want to put things in your butt.
Were it not for the context of this, I'd think you were talking about the Imperium...
Terminus wrote:They will engineer the death of billions to save a small handful. Their entire culture is based upon building mental prisons for their dark impulses, which otherwise have a tendency to create demon gods that want to put things in your butt.
Were it not for the context of this, I'd think you were talking about the Imperium...
nah, the Imperium summons all kinds of daemons (accidentally) not just butt prospecting daemons.
GW's flagship army is Ultramarines. We know. So it's not surprising that they will be 'the greatest of them all' in the first 40K movie.
What IS surprising is the amount of people that take this as a personal kick in the shins. Yes, you all believe your army is the greatest, which is fine, but when you are posting that at every given opportunity, you just set yourself up to be an object of ridicule.
Sternguard_rock wrote:Loving the John Hurt.....but greatest are ultramarines...LOL WUT!
I do think the Ultramarines are the most in line with pre imperial ideas of nobility and courage. If you've read The Killing Ground ( its been a while since i've read it, so someoen correct me if I have anything wrong), part of the plot involves an atrocity committed by an imperial commander, and the UM characters express their disgust over it. The nation of Ultramar seems to me what the Imperium "should" have been. Its hard, dark, and unforgiving like the rest of the 41 millennium, but even their serfs have dignity and they can earn respect.
John Hurt is awesome. Whenever I think of him I think of the movie Rob Roy. He had a great role as Montrosse ( thats it, right?), and delivered witty barbs and one upmanship masquerading as small talk with acerbic British wit like a master.
As far rating, I seems to me that it will be PG-13, as they ask when you register if you're at least 13
Terminus wrote:They will engineer the death of billions to save a small handful. Their entire culture is based upon building mental prisons for their dark impulses, which otherwise have a tendency to create demon gods that want to put things in your butt.
Were it not for the context of this, I'd think you were talking about the Imperium...
nah, the Imperium summons all kinds of daemons (accidentally) not just butt prospecting daemons.
2 questions to all why does everyone complain about everything on here?? And why does everyone hate space marines? I know im gonna get lit for this post but come on this is the first movie and you guys that love 40k should support it. Its about the love of 40k guys. And please dont correct my punctuation and spelling thats gettin old now.
Cato S. wrote:2 questions to all why does everyone complain about everything on here?? And why does everyone hate space marines? I know im gonna get lit for this post but come on this is the first movie and you guys that love 40k should support it. Its about the love of 40k guys. And please dont correct my punctuation and spelling thats gettin old now.
Cato S. wrote:2 questions to all why does everyone complain about everything on here??
Because it's the Internet. Welcome.
And why does everyone hate space marines?
Space Marines in general get flack because some people perceive them as getting an unfair amount of attention from GW in models/books they receive. People particularly hate the Ultramarines (and now the Blood Angels), is because their latest fluff was written by Mat Ward, who has less writing ability than the average 13-yo Twilight fan writing slash fanfics, although I'm guessing he squeals and wets his minge just as often while writing it.
Terminus wrote:Space Marines in general get flack because some people perceive them as getting an unfair amount of attention from GW in models/books they receive. People particularly hate the Ultramarines (and now the Blood Angels), is because their latest fluff was written by Mat Ward, who has less writing ability than the average 13-yo Twilight fan writing slash fanfics, although I'm guessing he squeals and wets his minge just as often while writing it.
To be fair, it's only kids (or those who can't grow up) that think that way. Most people here do realise it's just a game.
Terminus wrote:Space Marines in general get flack because some people perceive them as getting an unfair amount of attention from GW in models/books they receive. People particularly hate the Ultramarines (and now the Blood Angels), is because their latest fluff was written by Mat Ward, who has less writing ability than the average 13-yo Twilight fan writing slash fanfics, although I'm guessing he squeals and wets his minge just as often while writing it.
To be fair, it's only kids (or those who can't grow up) that think that way. Most people here do realise it's just a game.
The number of those who can't grow up, is much larger then people think, or would like to think.
Wolf wrote:Pfff waste of time, hardly a teaser. Lets look at some flashy font effects isn't what I call a teaser, more guns shooting and aliens exploding is more of a teaser.
Fail.
AHHHHHH!!!~!Your avatar is freakin me OUT man!
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Spyrash wrote:o i hope they are killing nids. xenos scum! feel the might of the emperors finest!
YES! This dude knows what he's talking about. I feel the same exact way. DIE IN THE RAGING MAELSTROM OF OUR HOLY BOLTERS XENOS SCUM! *bolter sounds*
Really the bare minimum the could have possibly done. Not much to rate here beyond a static model, and a good voice over.
This movie will have so, so much more going on than this on the screen at any given time if it is anywhere near current CG animation standards, too soon to call for me. The thing that edges me over to annoyed and negative is having to register to see what is in essence a single panel from a motion comic.
You can register with the official site and see it there. Frankly it's not worth it, you only see the upper half of the marine and it's just a scarred veteran looking marine staring off into the distance, no movement.
Just ignore it and eventually something worthwhile looking at will come along.
Have to say was a tad disappointed with this. was hoping for more in the way of animation, other than a few fluttering partchments and the occasional blink from the space marine. That said however it does look like they have made an effort with the feel of the 40k universe. Still very excited about a propper 40k movie!
darthmatty wrote:Have to say was a tad disappointed with this. was hoping for more in the way of animation, other than a few fluttering partchments and the occasional blink from the space marine. That said however it does look like they have made an effort with the feel of the 40k universe. Still very excited about a propper 40k movie!
Warboss Narznok wrote:I have to say. the visuals are good. i like it. but yeah not enough footage to impress me
Ummm... Might have something to do with the fact that it's a -teaser- (Not to be confused with an actual movie trailer, which shows footage of the film itself)
Really it's the OP's fault for posting a misleading thread title
Teaser's don't have to be boring though! There are things they could have done to make it a bit more visually interesting than a slow zoom in on a static dude. It's all taste though right?
I know how much work it would have taken to get it to that point, most of the work is done, it would not have taken much to up the interest a bit.
MajorTom11 wrote:Teaser's don't have to be boring though! There are things they could have done to make it a bit more visually interesting than a slow zoom in on a static dude. It's all taste though right?
Then it's not a teaser. All a teaser does is... well... tease you. It doesn't answer any of the myriad of questions about a film, it doesn't give -anything- away other than what you already know, and it's always very short.
Dude, you have to admit there are a million ways to meet your criteria yet still be more interesting than a slow zoom in! Teaser is meant to entice, not annoy right? Obviously many people on here weren't particularly excited by it, so I don't think it can be categorized as a resonding success.
Remember the StarWars episode 1 teaser? The Terminator Salvation teaser?
MajorTom11 wrote:Dude, you have to admit there are a million ways to meet your criteria yet still be more interesting than a slow zoom in! Teaser is meant to entice, not annoy right? Obviously many people on here weren't particularly excited by it, so I don't think it can be categorized as a resonding success.
Remember the StarWars episode 1 teaser? The Terminator Salvation teaser?
Thing is, we've seen Star Wars movies. We've seen Terminator movies. We know they're all going to be the same thing with a new coat of paint. We don't have an actualy 40K movie yet (aside from those horrible live action ones they used to show at gamesday back in the 90's) so my guess is Codex doesn't want to give -anything- away, so that when people buy the movie, everything is fresh. Personally, I'd rather have a suprise and unanswered questions up until I see it. But that's just me speaking as a guy that used to watch -a lot- of movies.
As far as a teaser goes, what they've released is perfectly appropriate as a teaser, and pretty much fits the actual format of what a teaser is. Most of the time, you're lucky to even see as much as they showed. Most actual teasers might give you a 1 second flash of a scene or an indistinguishable hint of something that you can't quite see, followed by a title screen, then a flash of the short credits. As far as proper teasers go, Codex was quite gracious.
Ah will just agree to disagree brotha, I am probably more picky than the average guy since I kind of work in that field.
Frankly I come out worse because I am stuck being ambivalent when I would have loved to have been excited!
I am still looking forward to the full trailer though! I hope they are fighting something cool like Tyranids as opposed to CSM (what seems to be the typical SM opponent when it comes to non-core stuff like pretty much every vid game they ever put out, barring final liberation).
Tyranids are a perfect stepping on point for newcomers as far as enemies go imo, they have no names, no real history or communication, a good faceless evil to go against. You don't have to hear much about them to get the aliens'esque peril you are in, no chatting, no politics, just fight or die. CSM would require too much fluff knowledge to fully appreciate in 90 mins, + it would be a shame not to have 2 completely different opponents squaring off.
They haven't announced antagonists yet right? If they did don't rip me a new one I missed it!
MajorTom11 wrote:Dude, you have to admit there are a million ways to meet your criteria yet still be more interesting than a slow zoom in! Teaser is meant to entice, not annoy right? Obviously many people on here weren't particularly excited by it, so I don't think it can be categorized as a resonding success.
Remember the StarWars episode 1 teaser? The Terminator Salvation teaser?
All massive budget examples, where usually a large amount of footage, or the money is available to shoot something new.
The Batman one was great minimalist stuff, but it has the advantage that we've seen the first film and every man and his dog knows who the Joker is. It also obviously had some pretty cool dialogue to use.
To be honest I was expecting to see an Ultramarines logo with a voice over and that was it. Can you imagine the outcry if the Ultramarines logo was used and all we got was dialogue and sound FX from the film?
Rock/Hard Place, they probably should have waited until they had something more substantial.
I think they made the mistake of calling a small preview that they were excited to show the fans a 'Teaser'.
I'd say that was a teaser all right. I don't know why some of you have your panties in such a bunch about it... I think they've done a good job of it and although I did say "that was it?" I thought about it for a second and said "I WANT MOAR". Thus, the teaser did what it was supposed to. Granted they could have put a bit more in there but whatever, at least it was something. My favourite part of the teaser when it said 2010 at the end.
Not a -Teaser-.They're two completely different things.
This is the exact reason why so many people are disappointed. This thread labels it as a Trailer, when it's actually a Teaser. You can have "Teaser Trailers" which are Trailer-length (usually around 2-2 1/2 minute) and usually just show a few scenes without revealing any real plot, but there's still definition between Teaser, Trailer, and Teaser-Trailer. The 40K Movie Teaser is -just- that. A Teaser.
Awesome, sends shivers down my spine, I loved the flashy-glass shard cast, great actors, but the sm whos on his way out looking like he was concentrating on a poo could be better - graphics no better than ps3
darthmatty wrote:Have to say was a tad disappointed with this. was hoping for more in the way of animation, other than a few fluttering partchments and the occasional blink from the space marine. That said however it does look like they have made an effort with the feel of the 40k universe. Still very excited about a propper 40k movie!
Warboss Narznok wrote:I have to say. the visuals are good. i like it. but yeah not enough footage to impress me
Ummm... Might have something to do with the fact that it's a -teaser- (Not to be confused with an actual movie trailer, which shows footage of the film itself)
Really it's the OP's fault for posting a misleading thread title
They could have had him hefting his bolter up or drawing his chainsword, this would have shown some good animation without revealing any of the action and thusly still be considered a "teaser". Just because it is a teaser doesn't mean that the subject has to be static! Some of the best movie/game teasers have had a modecum more than this one. Sorry rant over.
I call lock on this one if I may be so presumptuous Alphy, I don't think it is ever going to evolve past 'what is a teaser argument'.
Personally, I think people should be able to like it or not like it, without being criticized for 'not understanding what a teaser is' as if it somehow nullifies their personal reaction to watching it. Frankly, call it a teaser, or a purple farfenugler, I still know if I liked watching it or not lol!
Still, 9 pages on something that was very brief and didn't give any hints about the story is pretty epic in and of itself lol.
Hopefully when the trailer hits, the discussion will be a bit more OT.
AgeOfEgos wrote:That was more of a tease of a tease of a possible tease coming up.
/If I had John Hurt's voice, I would randomly prank call people and shout "We are being buried beneath the avalanche of your inadequacies, Mr. Creedy!".
That made me laugh so hard...
I'm totally unexcited about the movie... I don't think any of the games so far have really captured the essence of the universe (and just how incredibly bleak it is), and the movie seems to be no exception.
Also, I'm not a big fan of the proportions used in any 40k/Fantasy based media yet... I'll stick to the actual game.
Ultramarines - discussion panel with movie production team
London MCM Expo – May 29th 2010
David Kerney, producer (DK), Dan Abnett, screenwriter (DA), Bob Thompson, producer (BT) and Martyn Pick, director (MP).
Warhammer 40,000 is traditionally seen as table-top strategy game. What made you decide to make a movie?
BT - I’ve always been a huge fan of action movies… war movies and sci-fi movies, and the opportunity to make a Warhammer 40,000 movie just allowed to us to explore all those areas. And that was a dream come true. And it’s a fantastic universe, the people at Games Workshop are great. And I’m really excited about making a film that everyone here, I hope, will like because I’m guessing we’re all sci-fi fans here, we’re war movie fans.
Why Codex Pictures?
DK - Well, Codex approached Games Workshop with a proposal that we thought would really interest them: we’ve got a team that are really experienced and good at telling great stories, and also we went to them with a proposition that we thought really was going to do true value to their brand and their long tradition. And they obviously thought the same and gave us the gig.
A lot of people are probably wondering how authentic to the Warhammer 40,000 universe is the actual film?
DA - It’s going to be completely authentic. A huge effort has been put in making sure the film has everything that a fan of the game will expect there to be. There will be no shortcuts and no dilutions of the core material.
BT - Yeah, I think that’s true. We’ve worked really closely with designers from Games Workshop, and we’ve really tried to make not just the look and feel of the film authentic, but the mood, the atmosphere and the experience of what it’s like to be amongst Ultramarines in the 41st millennium.
Bob, what enticed you to bring Dan on board as writer of the project?
BT - I’ve been a huge fan of the 40k universe for a number of years, and I’ve read… I can’t say I’ve read all of Dan’s books, ‘cause he’s written so many in the 40k series, but his books, particularly Gaunt’s Ghost, brought the whole essence of 40k to life for me. And he made the natural choice to write the screenplay.
Dan, how did it feel to you when you got the opportunity to do this particular project?
DA - Well, I was enormously flattered to be asked to write it. There was no way I was going to say no when I was asked, really. I’ve been associated with 40k for a long time, I’ve written a lot of novels. Long before I was a freelance writer, it was something that I was interested in, enthusiastic role-playing games and stuff like that. So, as a franchise, as a writer, I’ve always found it a property that I’ve not only enjoyed the opportunity of writing, but have contributed to. So it was really, really nice to be able to write a screenplay, and to move the ideas that I’ve written into novels into a different format.
And how daunting was it for the both of you to try to work within that history and those rules?
DA - It’s enormously daunting because of the expectation, I have to say. There’s twenty plus years of people knowing the game and knowing what they expect out of it. And it’s such a rich and diverse universe that you want to make sure you’re doing justice to as much as you can. I think we’ve picked and chosen very carefully to make sure that we’ve captured the right flavour.
And what made you choose Martyn Pick as the director for this particular picture?
BT - Well, I’d worked with Martin on a promo and it seemed to me, as soon as I met him, I knew that Martin was the right director. I think he does some things with the way he treats images. It’s very distressed, it’s quite angry, it’s got a quality that I found just felt really natural for making a great action movie, and [has] a great painterly quality to it that I think really brings alive the look and feel of what Games Workshop have created over the years. And Martyn’s got a way of translating that into moving pictures, moving imagery that was perfect for the film. So it was a natural choice.
And, Martyn, what attracted you to this particular project?
MP - Firstly the script. I’ve always been a big fan of action cinema, and the script had a great lean quality to it: it was very concise and focused. And then, within that, what was very unusual was there was a strong sense of atmosphere and visual imagery, which immediately made it come to life. And I could work and get my visual style into it. And the other thing was that, down the years, I’ve worked in a lot of commercials, pop promos, and short films where I’ve experimented with blending live-action and animation with a dark painterly look, so the preparation was already there. And I saw the Games Workshop vision in their artwork and box art and the related magazines and stuff, and it seemed to fuse well.
And then, Bob, what made you decide to use the facial capture technology in the project?
BT - OK, the type of facial capture, and you’ll see some of this later on that we’ve used…I was looking for a way that we could find a new technology that would put a really life-like actor’s head inside power armour. For those of you who don’t know, the Space Marines wear this huge bulking power armour, and finding a way of putting an actor inside that, rather than having a soft unlife-like animation head in there, was a real challenge. We looked at taking real actors, filming them and compositing actual faces in there. And while we were going through research for this, we looked at two or three different methods and then we found this one particular technique called Image Metrics, whereby we were able to film the actors and then transplant their movements, not by markers but by curves on their faces by using the…almost like topography, like a map is written, to translate that back onto their faces. And that gives a really life-like and genuine effective performance, so we can really bring to life these challenging characters with, I think, the best technology available right now in the world.
And what kind of challenges were there in using this kind of technology?
BT - Well, I think the biggest challenge we’ve got with producing the film is that we’re doing it with three different teams in three different countries in three different time zones. And, in fact, all of the facial animation you’ll see in the film was done completely separately from all the other animation you see in the film, which was obviously a logistical challenge, getting those teams to integrate. So we had a lot of planning, a lot of very, very careful layout of shots by the editor to get all of the facial acting translated directly from the performance of the actors. We’ve got some great actors as well. But to get that facial performance captured perfectly was probably the biggest challenge of this film. And it’s worked brilliantly.
And, Martyn, what kind of challenges did it present to you as a director using this new technology?
MP - Well, for actors having to work in an environment where they can’t see what they’re reacting to, that’s difficult. You have to explain a lot. But the beauty of the Image Metrics technology is, as Bob just explained, actors don’t need to have all these markers on them, they don’t have physical constraints. So, really, it’s just… they’re reacting direct to the camera and they are reacting in an imaginary space but they’re reacting directly to what you’re telling them. So that was good. And also the nature of what we’re trying to do: the Ultramarines are stoic warriors, they are not cartoon action heroes. So what we wanted was serious, intense acting with variation, so there’s a degree of subtlety we had to get into the acting, which is very unusual for an animated film.
DA - I think that’s absolutely it… that the technology allows for the performances to be real performances, rather than pieces of animation. There is a subtlety of deliverance in terms of expression, which you would normally expect in a film like this.
David, what kinds of languages will this film be made into?
DK - Well, the film’s going to be a worldwide release. It will be in the usual five or six languages that you would expect, so there’s going to be a bit of an announcement shortly on that one. Go and log onto our website: it’s going to function much more than a normal film site would do, and a lot’s going to happen that in the very near future so you’ll get all the information there. I do recommend that you go sign up for that because there’s a lot of news coming out, and new ways we’re going to be doing some things that you’ll be the first to hear about it if you register on the website.
(Ultramarines teaser shown)
Martyn, describe the style of what we’ve just seen there then, and how the facial capture technology was used in particular for that kind of scene.
MP - First of all, the overall look has the stylised, dark painterly feel that the movie is based around. This has come back into cinema with the adaptation of graphic novels. It’s something I’ve always liked in older cinema, the studio movies of the past, in terms of the lighting, the grading, the texture. And there [in the teaser] we were very careful to give the actor subtle direction, you know. This is a character who is thinking of the menace ahead, and [the actor] has been told to do so, and he’s been given subtle direction for facial inflections.
You’ve got an amazing voice cast here! How did you decide on this voice cast?
MP - Games Workshop is obviously a UK company and the movie’s being made in the UK, and it was perfectly natural that we would cast people from the UK. With the great theatrical talent, we have people who can give the control and the intensity that we were after.
And how did the actors find adapting to the facial capture system, and how did you guide them through that?
MP - The Image Metrics system is, as I said before, quite user-friendly in terms of they don’t have too many little constraints so, even though they have to imagine themselves in an environment or in a combat situation or with other characters, apart from that, they’re working directly to camera and they can just be natural.
And did it change the way you actually directed them at all?
MP - It made it easier than any other motion capture process.
So, did it extend the time or did it shorten the time that you had with them in the end?
MP - Ah, for motion capture, I’d say that Image Metrics made the process quicker. We could just concentrate on getting the right feel and the right performance.
Are there going to be any other sort of projects based around Warhammer 40,000 universe from you guys?
DK - Obviously we want to make this one successful in the first place, but we’re already working on some ideas for Number 2. But [we’ve] still got a long way to go on this and, you know, it’s got to do well out in the marketplace. There’s a huge universe and story ideas to choose from so… We don’t want to focus too much on Number 2 at the moment because we’ve still got a lot of work to do on Number 1. But certainly we’re excited about the prospect of more projects.
BT – And, if I could just say, it’s a great universe for telling stories in and we’re having a great time making this film, so I would certainly like us to be coming back and making more films in the Warhammer 40,000 universe in the near future.
Ok, we’re going to shortly open for questions to the floor but, before we do, what have been some of the favorite moments for each of you, working on the movie?
MP - It’s very entertaining watching the actors doing death scenes, just straight to camera with no other props. With one particular character, [the actor] was meant to be picked up by a beast, thrown 60 feet in the air, and then dropped down and smash his head and then, after that, him being impaled on a spike. And for someone to just visually do that with their face, to camera…it’s a great test of acting talent.
BT - For me it was just getting back to see the first colour footage which has just started arriving this week. That’s a hugely exciting thing, you know, for any project, when you’ve gone from five years in development, a year of script writing, now eight months of production, and we’re starting to see colour footage - that’s hugely exciting. It means we’ve got a great looking film, and people are loving watching the rushes back at the studio.
BT - Yeah, I think I’d have to agree with Bob. Recently seeing that, not just understanding how the story works and how the plot works, `cause that’s been there all along, but just recently to see how the atmosphere and flavour work on top of that, and it’s really, really exciting. And an incredibly pleasant experience.
DK - I’ve really got two. I think what’s amazed me on this project is how everyone whose been involved in it, right from the top down to the runner in the office, how passionate they are about this project and wanting to represent the Warhammer 40,000 universe well and to create a great film. And that means we’ve put a lot more value, and there’s a lot more emotion, in the film that you might otherwise get. And that’s one of the things you tend to get from being an independent production company, you’ve got that freedom and you tend to get a lot more passion then perhaps [do] other ways of bringing movies to the screen. And finally on a pragmatic level, I have to say [a favourite moment was] when we signed the cheque and put the money in the bank to make the movie, which was no mean feat.
Alright, it’s time now to open the questions up to the floor.
Q1 - It’s actually a question for Mr. Abnett: the characters that you write for the Imperial side of the house tend to be very big on Imperial faith, but not quite so familiar with Imperial doctrine. And yet now you’re writing about the people that not only live doctrine but actually wrote it. Was this a big change of pace or are we going to see the Ultramarines become a little less straight-laced, shall we say?
DA - No,I can do both. They are absolutely what they should be and I’ve made a really strong effort to make sure they are what players of the game and users of the universe expect them to be. Yes, I hope (touch wood) no way would Ultramarines be doing things they shouldn’t do or behaving in ways they shouldn’t behave.
Q2 - As far as Space Marine chapters go, the cliché is that the Space Wolves are the Viking ones, the Blood Angels are the vampire ones, Ultramarines are the boring ones! Whose decision was it to make [the central characters] Ultramarines and why, and what do you intend to do specifically with that chapter rather than any other?
BT - Well, firstly I think every chapter has its own excitement, every area of the 40k universe has its own special interest. The thing about the Ultramarines is there’s a certain experience you get, and a lot of people share this: the first time you get to play 40k, you open that first box and, not every time but very often, it’s an Ultramarine set. And we wanted to start the film tradition of what we’re going to do with the Warhammer 40,000 universe with the same place that you start when you start collecting.
DA - Yes, I think I probably am guilty in as much as I suggested it be Ultramarines simply because they’re the definitive flavour of Space Marines, they are kind of your base level of Space Marines, the high standard Space Marine that everything else is based on. Everything else is a variation on that theme. Everything else may take on a certain characteristic and amplify it, like you said, you end up with Viking ones, or Vampire ones or whatever, but the Ultramarines are sort of - I’m not for a moment suggesting they’re bland - but they are the basic flavour. They are what you should picture a Space Marine to be…I’ve also always thought the name Ultramarines is an extremely simple but clever joke, and is a great name for a film, and a great basis for a fighting unit. So that’s really where it came from. And I think that if people have got a slightly anti-Ultramarine attitude, then this film might change their minds.
Q3 Has the Dawn of War [computer games] series inspired you in any way?
BT - Certainly we’ve looked at the Dawn of War [games] and we’ve looked different animation things that have been done with the Warhammer 40,000 universe, particularly by the various games. We’ve chosen to do something quite different with this film in terms of its visual look. We wanted to go back to where Games Workshop are with it, and we’ve looked really more at the box art, some of the great acrylic and oil paintings that are done by the Games Workshop people and also the painting on the figures, the miniatures themselves. So we took the basis that, yes, people have done interesting things with the animation but we wanted to do something completely different, unique, and new for the film.
Q4 - What kind of races are you going to be in this movie? And how much gore, blood and death will there be? What rating will it be?
MP - The rating will happen when it happens: it’s not rated yet. There’s combat in the movie, and part of the thing in the movie we wanted the viewer to experience what it feels like to be in that combat, so you’d see the things you would see in combat.
BT - Just to explain: movie ratings happen after a film’s finished. We have to send it away and see what rating it gets. We’ve definitely got a war film, there’s definitely action, you know. We have characters with chainswords and they use them, if that’s really what the question is. But we can’t say if it’s going to get this rating or that rating ‘cos we don’t know yet until it’s finished.
And also what races will be in it?
DA - We’re not going to tell you!
Q5 – How have you reconciled the really dark universe with 12 year-old kids wanting to watch it, because that’s who the hobby is initially bringing in, young people?
MP - What we can say is that, within what happens in the script, which we can’t tell you because it would spoil the plot, what happens is done in a realistic way. And, you know, there are scenes of violence: it’s a dark story and it’s dramatised in a necessary way. It’s neither gratuitous, nor is it softened.
DA - [Warhammer 40,000] is a very dark, nihilistic thing and, like I said, it hasn’t been compromised.
Q6 – Is there going to be a book accompanying the film at all? Are there any other types of media that you are planning?
DK - Yeah, we are working on that. We’re hoping that there will be a novelisation coming out at some point with the film.
Q7 - The Ultramarines have always had a stick up their a**, to put it bluntly, in terms of being forthright and stoic, but they’ve always been very slight of eye in terms of emotion. How do both director and writer get around that, to associate the Ultramarines with the audience?
BT - Well, I think that they do typify the attitude of many Space Marines, apart from the most extreme who do express themselves in the most outrageously hyper-emotional ways. Ultramarines are an extremely good example of what a Space Marine is all about, and a way of introducing an audience, as big an audience as possible, to this universe and [to] how extraordinary these beings are. They’re sort of accelerated post-human genetic soldiers who are human in many ways, but in other respects are so completely not like us. They were a perfect pick. I think if you gave them too much…like I said, if it had been Space Wolves, I think it would have been too much of a niche market really. I think you need that line for level to understand what Space Marines really are…even if they do have a stick up their a**.
Q8 - If Ultramarines is a commercial success, is there a chance perhaps of turning some of the Black Library novels, like the Horus Heresy or Gaunt’s Ghosts novels, into films?
BT - I think we’d have to look at that on a film by film basis. Obviously the intension is that there will be more films, certainly that’s what we’d like to do as a team, and we’ve had a good time working together and would like to come back to do that again. Whether is based on books or an original idea, it really depends - but often it’s easier to make an original idea work for the screen than to try to adapt a book, because Dan’s books are quite…
DA - …well, they’re very specific to novels. As I was saying earlier, I think from the point of view of a writer, I would rather write something specifically for a movie than try to take one of my books and turn it into a movie, partly because there’s all sorts of things I would do differently, like pacing, plots, how the story is conveyed, how the action sequences work. That’s not to say that I wouldn’t like to see some of the characters that I’ve created in my books feature in films, but that’s a different thing. I certainly would be hesitant to see a particular Gaunt’s book, for instance, picked up and adapted into a movie.
Ladies and gentlemen, please join me in giving a round of applause to our panelists today for the Ultramarines movie!
END.
I'm so much happier now that I've read that Q&A. Abnett practically saying "Screw 12 year olds, there'll be plenty of Chainsword gore" made me smile ear to ear
*fingers crossed for IG*
Hopefully if they do feature they will do more than run around and die like in Firewarrior or the Dawn of War pre Winter Assault
Yeah the trailer is pretty crap, just an old guy talking, nice concept art though. For those of you who can't be stuffed to register at the website just visit there Youtube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/UltramarinesTheMovie Chr15t09h3r
CHR15T09H3R wrote:Yeah the trailer is pretty crap, just an old guy talking, nice concept art though. For those of you who can't be stuffed to register at the website just visit there Youtube channel.
http://www.youtube.com/user/UltramarinesTheMovie Chr15t09h3r
That old guy talking Is one of the main chara's in the film also has done many an epic film in his life time You might know him from Hellboy 1 and 2 or even V for vendetta I do think Mr hurt needs more respect than just "some old guy talking".
Hopefully if this is successful they can think about a theatrical release film. I feel like space marines were always ripe for a hollywood blockbuster (I would prefer CGI unless they could actually get the budget together to pull off a proper live action adaption).
That old guy talking Is one of the main chara's in the film also has done many an epic film in his life time You might know him from Hellboy 1 and 2 or even V for vendetta I do think Mr hurt needs more respect than just "some old guy talking".
oh, I didn't know he was famous, I kind of meant by his the marine's face btw who'd he play V for Vendetta?
That trailer sucked balls... didnt show anything just some old half dead looking marine standing there. and the cgi didnt even look that great anyway they would have done better showing it off if they had i dont know, made the guy move lol
DRAGOONS wrote:That trailer sucked balls... didnt show anything just some old half dead looking marine standing there. and the cgi didnt even look that great anyway they would have done better showing it off if they had i dont know, made the guy move lol
That's because it wasn't a trailer. It was a teaser.
I was disappointed with the actual marine. I didn't think the animation for him was very good, especially for a 2010 movie. But, I'll cut them some slack since they probably don't have the biggest budget and probably don't want to invest TOO heavily into such a risky venture.
DRAGOONS wrote:That trailer sucked balls... didnt show anything just some old half dead looking marine standing there. and the cgi didnt even look that great anyway they would have done better showing it off if they had i dont know, made the guy move lol
That's because it wasn't a trailer. It was a teaser.
DRAGOONS wrote:That trailer sucked balls... didnt show anything just some old half dead looking marine standing there. and the cgi didnt even look that great anyway they would have done better showing it off if they had i dont know, made the guy move lol
That's because it wasn't a trailer. It was a teaser.
How many times must this be explained?
Apparently enough times to fill a hollow human head. I'm noticing a lot of those in this thread.
I do hope we're getting some more info soon, Comic Con has been and I know that they were holding a panel there, it would be nice to hear what they had to share there.
I do hope we're getting some more info soon, Comic Con has been and I know that they were holding a panel there, it would be nice to hear what they had to share there.
Not a lot aside from "Keep checking the website" it seems.
A comment made to Metalli in the course of him discussing how awesome Mount & Blade: Warbands is while I was playing Disciples III: Renaissance.
And I discovered that my Knight character had a spell that could transform literally anyone into a Peasant, leaving them with a quarter of their hit points, armor class, attack power, and magical resistance.
'Twas a glorious day when those peasants went back to my fields!
I wonder if Yak would implement some kind of system that lets users kill off some of the people that natural selection hasn't gotten to yet... A 'button of doom' or something...
metallifan wrote:I wonder if Yak would implement some kind of system that lets users kill off some of the people that natural selection hasn't gotten to yet... A 'button of doom' or something...
I second this notion. I really don't understand how people can see 30 seconds of footage basically put together to say "X exists" then instantly say it's as bad as Hitler personally coming to their house and kicking their dog.
"Man, this trailer is awful! It's just an image of a bat symbol with all this After Effects crap going on and some guys talking! This will be the worst movie ever!"
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