After seeing the "UltraMarines trailer" at the end it says "and the greatest of them all are the UltraMarines" that made me laugh, but got me wondering.
What chapter really IS the greatest? Im talking through battles and total ass kickery. Im curious, as I dont much care for the SM so now I want to know

Iron Snakes.

(unless you mean legions)

Crimson Fists. .I can rebuild them.

iron warriors

Tunnel Snakes. They rule.

Kurgash wrote:Tunnel Snakes. They rule.

Sure thing, Butch.



I would have to say Alpha Legion. They usually hold some of their forces back, and they still usually win.

Slarg232 wrote:
I would have to say Alpha Legion. They usually hold some of their forces back, and they still usually win.

Oh yes. And most of the times, their enemies don't even know who they're fighting against

And also technically, although i'm huge Alpha Legion fan, they're not a chapter, they're a legion so they wouldn't count

Clearly it's the Rainbow Warriors.

The Boys in blue are who you call when need the job done. Ultramar's finest is the greatest the Imperium has to offer.

SPARKEYG wrote:The Boys in blue are who you call when need the job done. Ultramar's finest is the greatest the Imperium has to offer.

..... The Ultramarines were convieniently on the other side of the galaxy when this occured.

The Dreadnote wrote:Clearly it's the Rainbow Warriors.

Seconded. Although they haven't had much coverage recently.
Or ever really. Aside from a picture in 1st edition?

Still the tops though. Because they probably ride unicorns.

SPARKEYG wrote:The Boys in blue are who you call when need the job done. Ultramar's finest is the greatest the Imperium has to offer.

History of the Ultramarines

The Ultramarines have some of the most boring 1st founding histories for any Astartes Chapter in the Imperial history.

Circa M29: The Unification Wars. The Emperor of Mankind unites Terra, and sets off to conquer the stars in a series of violent and bloody battles. The Ultramarines’ Primarch, Roboute Guilliman (Nicknamed Rowboat Girlyman for his utter douchebaggery during the Heresy), is conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

012.M31-014.M31: The Horus Heresy. Almost half of all Space Marine legions betray the Emperor and turn to Chaos. The traitors lay siege to Holy Terra, and most of the Space marine legions suffer major losses. The Blood Angels, Imperial Fists, and White scars are forced to make a stand on Terra while the Dark Angels lose their homeworld to renegade elements within their home planet, the Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard are nearly destroyed, and the Emperor is crippled while battling Horus. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs. After the Heresy, Rowboat Girlyman created the Codex Astartes as we know it today, including the separation of the 10,000 strong legions into 1,000 strong chapters. Note that the Ultramarines didn't participate in the defense of Terra, didn't sustain crippling damage to their Chapter's manpower, and note that, best of all, when they arrived they were too fething late. The war was already won, yet their primarch still was the first to create the new rules.

546.M32: 'The Beheading': The High Lords of Terra are all slain on the orders of Drakan Vangorich, Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum. The rogue Master of Assassins is tracked down and slain by a Space Marine strikeforce drawn from the Imperial Fists, Halo Brethren and Sable Swords. Only a single Space Marine survives the campaign. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

843.M35: Distress call from Grendel's World investigated. Planet discovered to have been attacked and all inhabitants slain by terror tactics of the Night Lords. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

Early M36: The Age of Apostasy and the Reign of Blood begin. Warp storms increase dramatically and Chaos and Ork attacks multiply. The Imperium falls into turmoil. An empowered Ecclesiarchy becomes more tyrannical. High Lord Goge Vandire becomes the most powerful member of the Senate of the High Lords of Terra, and manipulates a small sect, the Daughters of the Emperor(AKA: today the Sisters of Battle), into becoming his personal bodyguards, the Brides of the Emperor. Vandire rules largely unopposed and more and more bloody and tyrannical. Zhoros (Fire Hawks' world) thermal bombed. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

266.M36: Sebastian Thor is born on Dimmamar. He eventually becomes a threat to Vandire, who sends the Frateris Templar fleet to destroy Dimmamar. The fleet is completly destroyed by a warp storm, still existing today, named the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath in the Clax system. Vandire's armies are finally defeated by combined forces of the Tech Guard and several chapters of Space Marines, organized under the banner of the Confederation of Light, led by Thor. Vandire is executed by Alicia Dominica, the leader of his own bodyguards, who reclaim their old name Daughters of the Emperor in a conspiracy involving the Adeptus Custodes and the Emperor himself. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

723.M36: The 5th Black Crusade begins. Doombreed, a prince of Khorne declares war on the Adeptus Astartes. The Warhawks and the Venerators are lost. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

995.M40-000.M41 The Macharian Crusades. Lord Solar Macharius sets out to reconquer the Segmentum Pacificus for the Imperium. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

444.M41: First War for Armageddon. Chaos incursion led by Angron and World Eaters beaten back by Space Wolves and Grey Knights but only at a terrible cost. Only about a dozen of the grey knights survive the battle with Angron. The local planetary militia and the other citizens are mind-wiped, sterilized and put into work camps, to slave away for the rest of their short, miserable lives much to the horror of Logan Grimnar. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

742.M41 Damocles Crusade is launched against the Tau Empire due to the Imperium's ever growing Xenophobia, a small, strategically insignificant piece of nothingness, inhabited by weak fish people with minimal Faster-Than-Light Technology. The Ultramarines are thoroughly defeated along with the rest of the Imperial forces.

745.M41: First Tyrannic War. Hive Fleet Behemoth attacks the Ultramarines homeworld Macragge. Most of the chapter is eaten by Nids and lost their entire 1st company, the Chapter's company of hardened veterans and Terminators. The second fight they get and they still blew it, lulz.

901-912.M41 Badab War. The Astral Claws, Lamenters, Executioners, and Mantis Warriors chapters rebel against the Imperium, and are defeated by loyalist chapters. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

941-942.M41: Second War for Armageddon. The Ultramarines bump into an Ork Waaagh! while running away from the Tyranids. They are saved by the timely intervention of Commissar Yarrick and the Blood Angels.

988.M41: The battle of Rynn's World begins. A large ork army, led by the Warboss Snagrod attacks the Crimson Fists and thier homeworld. During the battle, a stray missle strikes the Fortress-Monastary of the crimson fists, killing most of the Marines. The survivors are wounded severly and are forced to rebuild their chapter. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

757998.M41: The Third War for Armageddon begins. Having learned from past mistakes, Imperial Commanders commit a ridiculous amount of forces to hold the world. It drags on for months in a bloody stalemate, and soon Ghazghkull grows bored and leaves his generals to finish the fight while he goes looking for other worlds to conquer. Commissar Yarrick joins a Black Templars Crusade and gives chase. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

5999.M41: Warmaster Abaddon launches the 13th Black Crusade. The armies of Chaos Undivided lay siege primarily to Cadia but attack many of the surrounding worlds as well. Imperial Forces launch a massive counterattack, and eventually push back the tides of Chaos, but only just barely, and at great cost. The Space Wolves' 13th Company are amongst the forces seen fighting against the forces of chaos. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

As an additional note of interest, there stands reasonable evidence that the Ultramarines are partially responsible for unleashing the Nightbringer on the galaxy in the current age. On the planet Pavonis, it was brought to the attention of Uriel Ventris, of the 4th company of the Ultramarines, that a group of revolutionaries were digging their way straight to the Nightbringer's sarcophogus while the Dark Eldar rounded up the keys to unlock the thing. Uriel was given a choice: he could either exterminatus the planet, burying the Nightbringer, revolutionaries, and Dark Eldar all at once in a single fell swoop, or he could boost his own ego by making a balls-first attack on the excavation site with nothing but chain swords and bolters. Unfortunately for the entire galaxy, Uriel chose the latter of these options, lost the fight, and let the Nightbringer get free.

Yes....they are the best.

Black Templars. They just kick everyone's ass

Kurgash wrote: snippity snip

I love that "article"

I don't hate Ultramarinesl, but that post was still hilarious.

Anyway, I like the Salamanders.

Ultramarines; despite all the hate vented at the ultras, theres two things that are always present in the fluff of 40k: 1)Its grimdark and 2)The Ultramarines are the best humanity has against the darkness.

742.M41 Damocles Crusade is launched against the Tau Empire due to the Imperium's ever growing Xenophobia, a small, strategically insignificant piece of nothingness, inhabited by weak fish people with minimal Faster-Than-Light Technology. The Ultramarines are thoroughly defeated along with the rest of the Imperial forces.

That's my favourite one. It's funny how they talk about the SM's like nothing could ever defeat them, one man equals 10 of any other race, etc...and yet with over ten thousand years of experiance in battle, constantly honing their skills and strategies...they lose a war to a race which has only been technologically predominant for about 1000 years, and only around for about 4000 years. Most of which were spent as primitives/ early gun powder weapons. Not to mention it says Tau don't live that long anyway, so it's not like their forces are compromised of warriors with centuries of experience like the marines do. Yet some how, I guess the teachings of Mont'ka and Kayoun were too much for them to handle. Silly imperium. Will they ever learn their lesson?

Kurgash wrote:The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

I'm sensing a recurring theme in your post, but I can't quite put my finger on it.....

S_P

<-----------------------------Pfft

who cares?

None. They all pale before the might of the Imperial Guard

I've gotta go Space Sharks - if you aren't up to snuff they take your world from you. True fact.

It's probably going to be Templar actually...I don't even care for Templar all too much...but there's just too many of them for anyone else to compare.

Grey Knights compare, but they could easily kick the BT's asses.

Well yes they can...and Grey Knights are my favorites...

But there are 2000? GKs out there and most of them are at the Eye...Templar wins out.

Last I heard it was three thousand. And Black Templar are just as spread out than Grey Knights are.

The Emperors Pointy Sticks are by far the greatest. And the two Marines Ken and Ferp are the greatest of the Loyalist Space Marines.
If yoo don´t know what I´m talking about search for "Turn Signals On A Land Raider"

Okay then...but if it ever came to a battle royale they win...there's no denying it...numbers will consume them...

Numbers consume them except for foot Guard...they just pound through them.

If we are talking the greatest man for man...it's GKs hands down. (Except for Custodes of course) because GKs are the emperors most trusted. (except for the Custodes again)

CruoAngelus wrote:Human Space Marines.

While I admire the humor in the post, this is a contradiction in terms...

Well Custodes are exactly that...Space Marines without Gene Seeds.

Err... what? I wasn't responding to you

Grey Knights are easily the greatest, they were designed to be simply better. And they're all psykers too, which makes them even more powerful.

Clearly the Ultramarines are the best of the Astartes. Their 2nd company, for example, is definitively the best fighting unit in the entire Astartes.

Melissia wrote:

CruoAngelus wrote:Human Space Marines.

While I admire the humor in the post, this is a contradiction in terms...

Umm... I was thinking about the non Chaos space marines, but failed at describing that

Exorcist marines.

CruoAngelus wrote:

Melissia wrote:

CruoAngelus wrote:Human Space Marines.

While I admire the humor in the post, this is a contradiction in terms...

Umm... I was thinking about the non Chaos space marines, but failed at describing that

Hehe. The usual term is "Loyalist", as human indicates that they aren't Astartes at all (Astartes are not human, for better or worse).

Melissia wrote:

CruoAngelus wrote:

Melissia wrote:

CruoAngelus wrote:Human Space Marines.

While I admire the humor in the post, this is a contradiction in terms...

Umm... I was thinking about the non Chaos space marines, but failed at describing that

Hehe. The usual term is "Loyalist", as human indicates that they aren't Astartes at all (Astartes are not human, for better or worse).

Thank You

Citizensmith wrote:

The Dreadnote wrote:Clearly it's the Rainbow Warriors.

Seconded. Although they haven't had much coverage recently.
Or ever really. Aside from a picture in 1st edition?

Still the tops though. Because they probably ride unicorns.

Always
I wanna be with you
and make believe with you
and live in harmony (harmony) oh love!

Grey Knights.
Otherwise, whatever chapter is currently in line for a new Codex.
So, atm the Blood Angels are the very best chapter evar. They smack down greater daemons left and right with their nipplearmour of doom, sodomize Eldar Avatars
and are so awesome that even the genocidal necrons wish nothing more than to be friends with them.

CruoAngelus wrote:The Emperors Pointy Sticks are by far the greatest. And the two Marines Ken and Ferp are the greatest of the Loyalist Space Marines.
If yoo don´t know what I´m talking about search for "Turn Signals On A Land Raider"

Deployed, then Destroyed!

It was awesome right off the bat, started getting horrible in the middle, and the end was pretty funny again.

Grey Knights Hands down are the greatest

Im thinking it really would be the Black Templar. Simply because they are the same, Space Marines, but they got the numbers on the rest. If they went to battle with most Chapters, full strength, they would win hands down. Simply because they should be equal to any other SM but many times more in numbers. They are finghting many crusades right now, and they range from a few hundred, upto a chapters worth. And thats going on all the time.

Id love to see the Grey Knights win, because they are just friggin hardcore, but numbers prove to be a deciding factor all the time. *cough cough ORKSES cough cough*

Slarg232 wrote:

CruoAngelus wrote:The Emperors Pointy Sticks are by far the greatest. And the two Marines Ken and Ferp are the greatest of the Loyalist Space Marines.
If yoo don´t know what I´m talking about search for "Turn Signals On A Land Raider"

Deployed, then Destroyed!

It was awesome right off the bat, started getting horrible in the middle, and the end was pretty funny again.

Seriously though, how did Piggy take down a Battlebarge in low orbit?

S_P

KingCracker wrote:Im thinking it really would be the Black Templar. Simply because they are the same, Space Marines, but they got the numbers on the rest. If they went to battle with most Chapters, full strength, they would win hands down. Simply because they should be equal to any other SM but many times more in numbers. They are finghting many crusades right now, and they range from a few hundred, upto a chapters worth. And thats going on all the time.

Id love to see the Grey Knights win, because they are just friggin hardcore, but numbers prove to be a deciding factor all the time. *cough cough ORKSES cough cough*

Grey Knights number 3000. Their numbers are only limited because they're spread across the entire galaxy. Against other chapters, not only would they be much more powerful individually, they'd outnumber them too.

What qualifier are we using for "greatest"?

Greatest Gene-Seed? Greatest number of troops/Successor Chapters?

Greatest amount of bling on a single model?

I think we're using the metricized cool-scale, in which case the Ultramarines win by about three centicools.

Personaly I favor the Wolves and Grey Knights if you're just looking for who's coolest.

The Space Wolves because they have a life outside of battle, and have characterful personalities compared to normal Marines.

The Grey Knights because, well, they're the fething Grey Knights, anything else I say would be superfluous.

Templar for putting more chainswords per capita in places they don't belong than most other chapters.

Wolves for being, from what I can tell, three dimensional characters, as opposed to the personification of incoherent anger armed with a chainsaw with a handle.

Ultramarines for being pimpin' yo.

Blood Angels for the Rage and how they deal with it.

So, who's the greatest? Angry marines, because I know better than to get the Commissar mad at me.

Edit: Notation, I can't help but think of the Ultramarines in a serious light due to PRIMARCHS by Lastie.

Nakis wrote:

So, who's the greatest? Angry marines, because I know better than to get the Commissar mad at me.

But the Commissar is always mad at you.

Fafnir wrote:

Nakis wrote:

So, who's the greatest? Angry marines, because I know better than to get the Commissar mad at me.

But the Commissar is always mad at you.

No, the Commissar is always mad, all the time. There is a difference, he's not mad directly at me.

Probly the best chapter is either the Salamanders or on sheer badassery the Space Sharks. Mantis warriors be damned!


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Fafnir wrote:

KingCracker wrote:Im thinking it really would be the Black Templar. Simply because they are the same, Space Marines, but they got the numbers on the rest. If they went to battle with most Chapters, full strength, they would win hands down. Simply because they should be equal to any other SM but many times more in numbers. They are finghting many crusades right now, and they range from a few hundred, upto a chapters worth. And thats going on all the time.

Id love to see the Grey Knights win, because they are just friggin hardcore, but numbers prove to be a deciding factor all the time. *cough cough ORKSES cough cough*

Grey Knights number 3000. Their numbers are only limited because they're spread across the entire galaxy. Against other chapters, not only would they be much more powerful individually, they'd outnumber them too.

O and the Grey Knights actually number somewhere round 10,000 at full force they are just spread through out the galaxy where they are needed.

And I've heard six thousand, but generally it's agreed to be around three thousand.

Right...so a GK in fluff could probably take out 5 SM of any flavor...but once more Templar have ridiculous number that outmatch anything they can handle...but then...GKs could get all of the IG in the universe to fight with them...haha.

But I'm not convinced the Black Templar have THAT much more than the Grey Knights.

Imperial Fists, I have this picture to back that up:

It would be equivalent to a GK running into a blob of 30+ Templar...either way...ugh...not happening.

ductvader wrote:It would be equivalent to a GK running into a blob of 30+ Templar...either way...ugh...not happening.

Again, I'm not convinced that the BTs outnumber the GK by that much.

Since everyone is loving on the Grey Knights, I had a question. Do they actually count as a Chapter? Do they ascribe to the Codex, or are they more akin to a Legion, who's membership is little due to the fact that so many die becoming one? Or are they simply an Inquisition tool who look like Space Marines enough to pass as one, roughly to the point where Grey Knights are the Inquisitions attempt to make Marine Inquisitors?

Actually thinking more about the omnibus and most of the GKs are actually on the verge of being Justicars or even Grand Masters....good luck fighting an army of almost Grand Masters.

Chapter...no...legion...no.

They are space marines though...don't know how to describe them except kickyouinthefacegood.


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Melissia wrote:

ductvader wrote:It would be equivalent to a GK running into a blob of 30+ Templar...either way...ugh...not happening.

Again, I'm not convinced that the BTs outnumber the GK by that much.

I got too involved in thinking actual gameplay instead of fluff.

Grey nights are the best with the shiny armour and psi-cannons of death

fightingferret wrote:Grey nights are the best with the shiny armour and psi-cannons of death

Pics or it didn't happen.

fightingferret wrote:Grey nights are the best with the shiny armour and psi-cannons of death

Right...we seem to have a general consensus...so I say (With the hopes that we don't jump into too far of a tangent without restarting a thread) that this is why they should cost 30 ish points in the next update...and be worth every point!

I'm actually going to throw my money in on the Ultramarines section of the table.

I know they aren't everyone's favorite, but I think they take the prize in pretty much any category except 'most interesting.'

Night Lords. You need sick serial rapists and madmen for candidates for space marines.

Pre Heresy, pre corruption = Lunar Wolves/Sons of Horus

Post heresy = Grey Knights (As they are a "best of the best" chapter made out of the best gene seeds the imperium has to offer)

Meh, I have always been an avid fan of the Imperial Fists, 'tis a shame none of you feel the same way.

Out of ultramarines and grey knights, I would side with ultramarines.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Out of ultramarines and grey knights

I dont get how thats a question...

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:
Out of ultramarines and grey knights, I would side with ultramarines.

The Grey Knights are better trained, better equipped, have many more powerful psykers, and are higher in number. In addition, they have a seat at the inquisition, meaning that they have easier access to tools like Titans and Exterminatus.


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Nakis wrote:Since everyone is loving on the Grey Knights, I had a question. Do they actually count as a Chapter? Do they ascribe to the Codex, or are they more akin to a Legion, who's membership is little due to the fact that so many die becoming one? Or are they simply an Inquisition tool who look like Space Marines enough to pass as one, roughly to the point where Grey Knights are the Inquisitions attempt to make Marine Inquisitors?

They're officially chapter 666.

Inquisitor_Syphonious wrote:Meh, I have always been an avid fan of the Imperial Fists, 'tis a shame none of you feel the same way.

Out of ultramarines and grey knights, I would side with ultramarines.

Im with the others, where did you actually come up with that outcome? Id REALLY like to hear how the Ultras could take on the Grey Knights. I mean REALLY?

The Ultramarines would beat the Grey Knights by either not being at the fight, and thus not losing cause they can always come back for another go, see, or by being rescued by, say, Commissar Yarrick and the Blood Angels.

Shadowbrand wrote:Night Lords. You need sick serial rapists and madmen for candidates for space marines.

Well I guess an army of Batmans would be pretty awesome.

Yarrick has now been Inquisitioned by the Grey Knights...aw...too bad.

Heh.

You've gotta remember that the Ultramarines(and every Space Marine Chapter barring the Black Templars and Grey Knights really) are able to call upon their Successor Chapters. In some cases, the Successors would ignore them--but in others, they'd go to the depths of Hell itself for their progenitors.

Well we were talking about one on one fights...

But if the Knights had to purge the ultramarines...they could utilize every guardsman in the universe, all the sisters of battle, the templar...you might already be outnumbered and outmatched...by a lot. Plus the Grey Knights would get all the cool toys being flown in from Mars...

I like the Iron Hands, because they're the most grimdark. The Purging of Contqual is my favorite bit of 40k fluff ever.

I think that the GKs would have a lot more than just Ultramarine Successors on their back if word got out that they were purging an entire chapter of Loyalist Marines. The Astartes don't take a lot of guff from the Inquisition. The Space Wolves would be all over that in a hot minute!

Space Wolves are already almost heretics anyways...throw them on the fire.

Black Templars. Their zeal finishes the job.

Melissia wrote:None. They all pale before the might of the Imperial Guard

True story.


But I will have to say the best of the SMurfs is the Black Dragons.

Is this the same IG that holds their lil' flashlights and prays to the Emprah for Shrike to save them from the nasty orkses?

Toeko wrote:

Melissia wrote:None. They all pale before the might of the Imperial Guard

True story.

Get your modeling glue out of your nostril.

Imperial Fists on "OMG they're trying to invade our planet" mode.

No-one's going to shift the Imperial Fists out of a tight spot in a hurry are they? They're the best defenders in the universe.

Dark Angels on "OMG there's some Fallen in their army" mode.

No-one will stop the fury of the Unsure!

Crimson Fist on "OMG they killed Kenny . . . I mean Rynn's World" mode

The fury of the Crimson Fists would literally punch through anything really.

So in summary, we have The Emperor as Goal Keeper and Captain. Imperial Fists in Defense, Dark Angels hiding in the wings (with fury!), and Crimson Fists in Attack.

No if my team doesn't win the World Cup, I don't know who will =D

Oshova - kinda lost the point of the post while watching a program on the best players in the world atm . . .

Deathwatch. Every chapter rolled into one.

Except for not being a Chapter, which makes them irrelevant to this discussion.

You can tell the Ultramarines are the greatest becasue of all the haters they have.

60% of all space marines are descended from Ultramarines!

Exactly. The Chapters that don't follow the Codex Astartes to the letter like the Ultramarines do are the exception.

Lexicanum wrote:The Deathwatch are a unique and specially trained Space Marine Chapter

ORLY?

Lexicanum's wrong, bub.

The "Illustrated Guide to the Inquisition" states that the Deathwatch are a Chapter in name only due to the fact that Deathwatch members are drawn up as needed and returned to their Chapter afterwards.

The organization exists, but due to the fact that it's almost always barely numbering over a hundred members--not a Chapter.

Ya, Lexicanum is just written by geeks like us. It's not the authority or anything.

It's not even that, it's the fact that it's a collation of multiple sources. They make no distinction between stuff that's no longer considered by GW to be canon and stuff that is in the current canon.

Oh, sorry, I thought I was doing the right thing.

Yes but there's still errors. It's just a wiki.

i am sorry you are all wrong.

My chapter the Grey Templars are the best.

cause we have a titan

Pft.

My Order of the Grey Blade could kick your Grey Templars' asses.

Pretty sure that's heresy

Nah. Mine's Loyalist Dark Angels.

We're as loyal as they come, suckah!

Sons of Gorgon.

Making FULL use of fast siege weapons and long range fire power from their founding chapter, the Blood Angels.

I mean the Space Marines with a Titan. HERESY!

what you gonna do about it, huh HUH. i have a titan try and stop me.

I have a fleet.

Which can nail your Titan from orbit with a lance strike

you assume i don't have a fleet too?

you also assume you can find me.

but this is pointless back and forth jibber jabber.

Monster Rain wrote:
I think that the GKs would have a lot more than just Ultramarine Successors on their back if word got out that they were purging an entire chapter of Loyalist Marines. The Astartes don't take a lot of guff from the Inquisition. The Space Wolves would be all over that in a hot minute!

It's not unheard of for entire chapters to be purged, or if that fails, declared traitor. Basically, if the Inqusition declares a chapter traitor, then them and anyone who supports them is under fair grounds for exterminatus/mind-wiping/execution. As powerful as Space Marines may be, they are no match for the power of the Inquisition. A high enough ranking inquisitor lord could destroy a chapter and their entire geneseed collection with a single word.

The Brotherhood of Steel. lol. That does sound like something that would be in 40k though.

I'd have to say the Ultramarines.

Anyone saying Ultramarines must have missed the awesome post on their history a few pages back. For "the most awesomest Spess Mahreenz evahr", they are completely untested and unproven in battle. Buncha nooblets.

The Imperial Fists, no question.

....you guys didn't get that memo?

Terminus wrote:Anyone saying Ultramarines must have missed the awesome post on their history a few pages back. For "the most awesomest Spess Mahreenz evahr", they are completely untested and unproven in battle. Buncha nooblets.

Think they may have single handedly destroyed an entire hivefleet with one company.

Terminus wrote:Anyone saying Ultramarines must have missed the awesome post on their history a few pages back. For "the most awesomest Spess Mahreenz evahr", they are completely untested and unproven in battle. Buncha nooblets.

Other than two Hive Fleets, the Tau Empire being at their doorstep, multiple Tomb Worlds, Eldar raids, and Ork Waaghs?

Yes. Ultramarines are completely untested and unproven in battle...

Kanluwen wrote:

Terminus wrote:Anyone saying Ultramarines must have missed the awesome post on their history a few pages back. For "the most awesomest Spess Mahreenz evahr", they are completely untested and unproven in battle. Buncha nooblets.

Other than two Hive Fleets, the Tau Empire being at their doorstep, multiple Tomb Worlds, Eldar raids, and Ork Waaghs?

Yes. Ultramarines are completely untested and unproven in battle...

Not to mention they probably had the most military actions per-heresy second only to the luna wolves.

Just because Ultramarines have the largest fanboy backing, it does not make them automatically the "bestest" chapter IMO. GW overusing ultramarines in their art and fluff is to blame for this.

It is this reason that we have fluff aout Calgar punching out an avatar *shudders*

And just because Ultramarines have the largest amount of haters does not negate the fact that they're constantly engaged in a war of some kind, and more often than not coming out on top while doing it.

There's a reason Ultramarines are "overused in art and fluff". Ultramarines are the single most commonly noticed Chapter. They're involved in pretty much anything you can imagine.

They've got a Company as permanent Honor Guard for the Cadian Sector Command, another Company that is basically doing nothing but pissing off the Tau, etc.

candy.man wrote:Just because Ultramarines have the largest fanboy backing, it does not make them automatically the "bestest" chapter IMO. GW overusing ultramarines in their art and fluff is to blame for this.

It is this reason that we have fluff aout Calgar punching out an avatar *shudders*

Ah, the fanboy accusation sans irony. I knew it was coming.

Also, the idea of Calgar beating down an Avatar isn't that far fetched. Marneus has 4 Power Fist attacks per turn, hitting on 4s and re-rolling failed wounds and a 4++ save. Look at their stats and abilities, particularly if you throw Null Zone in there. Surely Tigurius would be somewhere nearby? You don't even have to go to Calgar though, Lysander would whipsmack an Avatar's cheeks.

And I've seen Calgar be bitchslapped by a Guardsman's rifle butt before.

We really can't count random shenanigans of dice rolling when discussing background.

Well, the Emperor's Hammer could easily throw enough Guardsmen at Calgar that he eventually is literally up to his neck in corpses and unable to move, until one can finally get around the wildly flailing arms to bitchslap Calgar with said riflebutt.

Ah, but the Space Marines wouldn't fight the entire regiment all at once. They'd Drop Pod in, kill all the commanders and then tear the IG apart bit by bit in the confusion.

You act as if there'd be only one regiment. Or that they'd not have naval support. Or air support. Etc etc etc.


If you're gonna involve drop podding, that means orbital support on the MArine's side... Guard can have that, too, with the Imperial Navy.

Pfft. The Imperial Navy? Please.

Rum, sodomy and the Emprah is all they care about. The Space Marines strategy rating was 3, the IG's was 1. Checkmate!

Monster Rain wrote:Pfft. The Imperial Navy? Please.

Rum, sodomy and the Emprah is all they care about. The Space Marines strategy rating was 3, the IG's was 1. Checkmate!

Thats because there is very little strategy needed when you have some of the biggest guns in the game

Orangecoke wrote:The Imperial Fists, no question.

....you guys didn't get that memo?

Seconded. Here's why:
Dorn:
-Was chosen to design the defences of the Imperial Palace
-Was extremley loyal to the Emperor and a military genius
-Recovered the bodies of the Emperor and Sanguinius during the Heresy and constructed the Golden Throne with notes from the Emperor
-Hard-ass; didn't take **** from Guilliman (until threat of another civil war was presented)

The Imperial Fists:
-Siege masters; held in high esteem by Warmaster Horus for their prowess before the Heresy
-The Emperor selected them as His personal custodians/praetorians
-Based on Terra itself
-Put up a legendary defence of the Imperial Palace against the traitor Marines (Alongside the Blood Angels and White Scars, of course)
-Sigismund was a badass
-Went on crusade against traitors after the Heresy, destroying fortress after fortress
-Spawned Crimson Fists and Black Templars; among the most prestigious 2nd Founding Chapters

Be glad i havent figured out how to transfer pictures from my blackberry to my computer or i'd show you the real best kickass marines ever... though here is a poster of them

I'd probably have to go with the Rainbow Space Shark Warriors.

They live on a deathworld where there is a 99.9% chance of you getting eaten by 100 meter long spiders when you are BORN.

This of course obviously leads to super badass Imperial Marines.

Imperial Fists are by far the best. Dorn was the most kick ass guy in the whole of space (Emperor not-withstanding). And now it comes to Lysnader to hold his hammer high and smash the enemies of the imperium into oblivion!

Plus the point of having the 2 greatest 2nd foundings is brilliant. How long playing the game before you realise that Crimson Fists and Black Templars weren't created at the same time as the rest of them? Freaking ages! Cos they kick as much as the first founding legions when they were split down.

Oshova

Monster Rain wrote:

candy.man wrote:Just because Ultramarines have the largest fanboy backing, it does not make them automatically the "bestest" chapter IMO. GW overusing ultramarines in their art and fluff is to blame for this.

It is this reason that we have fluff aout Calgar punching out an avatar *shudders*

Ah, the fanboy accusation sans irony. I knew it was coming.

Also, the idea of Calgar beating down an Avatar isn't that far fetched. Marneus has 4 Power Fist attacks per turn, hitting on 4s and re-rolling failed wounds and a 4++ save. Look at their stats and abilities, particularly if you throw Null Zone in there. Surely Tigurius would be somewhere nearby? You don't even have to go to Calgar though, Lysander would whipsmack an Avatar's cheeks.

Agreed. I said as much earlier. If they were taking bets on Marneus fething Calgar vs. an Avatar (pansey eldar deamon) I'd put my money on Calgar; and win.

Angry Marines or Blood Ravens. Blood Ravens for sheer awesomeness (you can't deny Gabriel Angelos is a LAD), and Angry Marines for sheer lulz.

GalacticDefender wrote:The Brotherhood of Steel. lol. That does sound like something that would be in 40k though.

You might probably even know them. And judging by their looks, they ought to be badass. Plus, they like Nuka Cola and 50's-retro-future style! That adds several decimeters on the metric cool-scale.

According to GW Ultramarines. Although I enjoy Raven Guard, White Scars, Imperial Fists, Crimson Fists, and many more.

Pffffft Gamesworkshop, what the hell do they know...

The best chapter of all by far has to be the White Scars.

The White Scars are basically Mongols, equipped with bikes and power armour. SPACE MARINE MONGOL BIKERS, means you f cked up China.

There really is no debate about it.

KingCracker wrote:After seeing the "UltraMarines trailer" at the end it says "and the greatest of them all are the UltraMarines" that made me laugh, but got me wondering.
What chapter really IS the greatest? Im talking through battles and total ass kickery. Im curious, as I dont much care for the SM so now I want to know

The trailer is correct. The ultramarines have kicked the ass of every single Xenos Race currently in the game (Not sure about Dark Eldar, oh wait, yeah, I read nightbringer). They single handedly destroyed hive fleet behemoth and managed to keep the majority of their planet together afterwards.
They ARE the greatest. BLESSED BE THE PRIMARCH.


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KamikazeCanuck wrote:

Agreed. I said as much earlier. If they were taking bets on Marneus fething Calgar vs. an Avatar (pansey eldar deamon) I'd put my money on Calgar; and win.

I have to admit, Avatars are pretty awesome, but not when Lord Macragge is around.

Sorry bud, they're not the greatest, they're probably the worst...

The Ultramarines have some of the most boring 1st founding histories for any Astartes Chapter in the Imperial history.

Circa M29: The Unification Wars. The Emperor of Mankind unites Terra, and sets off to conquer the stars in a series of violent and bloody battles. The Ultramarines’ Primarch, Roboute Guilliman (Nicknamed Rowboat Girlyman for his utter douchebaggery during the Heresy), is conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

012.M31-014.M31: The Horus Heresy. Almost half of all Space Marine legions betray the Emperor and turn to Chaos. The traitors lay siege to Holy Terra, and most of the Space marine legions suffer major losses. The Blood Angels, Imperial Fists, and White scars are forced to make a stand on Terra while the Dark Angels lose their homeworld to renegade elements within their home planet, the Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard are nearly destroyed, and the Emperor is crippled while battling Horus. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs. After the Heresy, Rowboat Girlyman created the Codex Astartes as we know it today, including the separation of the 10,000 strong legions into 1,000 strong chapters. Note that the Ultramarines didn't participate in the defense of Terra, didn't sustain crippling damage to their Chapter's manpower, and note that, best of all, when they arrived they were too fething late. The war was already won, yet their primarch still was the first to create the new rules.

546.M32: 'The Beheading': The High Lords of Terra are all slain on the orders of Drakan Vangorich, Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum. The rogue Master of Assassins is tracked down and slain by a Space Marine strikeforce drawn from the Imperial Fists, Halo Brethren and Sable Swords. Only a single Space Marine survives the campaign. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

843.M35: Distress call from Grendel's World investigated. Planet discovered to have been attacked and all inhabitants slain by terror tactics of the Night Lords. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

Early M36: The Age of Apostasy and the Reign of Blood begin. Warp storms increase dramatically and Chaos and Ork attacks multiply. The Imperium falls into turmoil. An empowered Ecclesiarchy becomes more tyrannical. High Lord Goge Vandire becomes the most powerful member of the Senate of the High Lords of Terra, and manipulates a small sect, the Daughters of the Emperor(AKA: today the Sisters of Battle), into becoming his personal bodyguards, the Brides of the Emperor. Vandire rules largely unopposed and more and more bloody and tyrannical. Zhoros (Fire Hawks' world) thermal bombed. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

266.M36: Sebastian Thor is born on Dimmamar. He eventually becomes a threat to Vandire, who sends the Frateris Templar fleet to destroy Dimmamar. The fleet is completely destroyed by a warp storm, still existing today, named the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath in the Clax system. Vandire's armies are finally defeated by combined forces of the Tech Guard and several chapters of Space Marines, organized under the banner of the Confederation of Light, led by Thor. Vandire is executed by Alicia Dominica, the leader of his own bodyguards, who reclaim their old name Daughters of the Emperor in a conspiracy involving the Adeptus Custodes and the Emperor himself. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

723.M36: The 5th Black Crusade begins. Doombreed, a prince of Khorne declares war on the Adeptus Astartes. The Warhawks and the Venerators are lost. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

995.M40-000.M41 The Macharian Crusades. Lord Solar Macharius sets out to reconquer the Segmentum Pacificus for the Imperium. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

444.M41: First War for Armageddon. Chaos incursion led by Angron and World Eaters beaten back by Space Wolves and Grey Knights but only at a terrible cost. Only about a dozen of the grey knights survive the battle with Angron. The local planetary militia and the other citizens are mind-wiped, sterilized and put into work camps, to slave away for the rest of their short, miserable lives much to the horror of Logan Grimnar. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

742.M41 Damocles Crusade is launched against the Tau Empire due to the Imperium's ever growing Xenophobia, a small, strategically insignificant piece of nothingness, inhabited by weak fish people with minimal Faster-Than-Light Technology. The Ultramarines are thoroughly defeated along with the rest of the Imperial forces.

745.M41: First Tyrannic War. Hive Fleet Behemoth attacks the Ultramarines' homeworld, Macragge. Most of the chapter is eaten by Nids and lost their entire 1st company, the Chapter's company of hardened veterans and Terminators. The second fight they get and they still blew it, lulz.

901-912.M41 Badab War. The Astral Claws, Lamenters, Executioners, and Mantis Warriors chapters rebel against the Imperium, and are defeated by loyalist chapters. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

941-942.M41: Second War for Armageddon. The Ultramarines bump into an Ork Waaagh! while running away from the Tyranids. They are saved by the timely intervention of Commissar Yarrick and the Blood Angels.

988.M41: The battle of Rynn's World begins. A large ork army, led by the Warboss Snagrod attacks the Crimson Fists and their homeworld. During the battle, a stray missile strikes the Fortress-Monastery of the crimson fists, killing most of the Marines. The survivors are wounded severely and are forced to rebuild their chapter. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

757998.M41: The Third War for Armageddon begins. Having learned from past mistakes, Imperial Commanders commit a ridiculous amount of forces to hold the world. It drags on for months in a bloody stalemate, and soon Ghazghkull grows bored and leaves his generals to finish the fight while he goes looking for other worlds to conquer. Commissar Yarrick joins a Black Templars Crusade and gives chase. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

5999.M41: Warmaster Abaddon launches the 13th Black Crusade. The armies of Chaos Undivided lay siege primarily to Cadia but attack many of the surrounding worlds as well. Imperial Forces launch a massive counterattack, and eventually push back the tides of Chaos, but only just barely, and at great cost. The Space Wolves' 13th Company are amongst the forces seen fighting against the forces of chaos. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

As an additional note of interest, there stands reasonable evidence that the Ultramarines are partially responsible for unleashing the Nightbringer on the galaxy in the current age. On the planet Pavonis, it was brought to the attention of Uriel Ventris, of the 4th company of the Ultramarines, that a group of revolutionaries were digging their way straight to the Nightbringer's sarcophagus while the Dark Eldar rounded up the keys to unlock the thing. Uriel was given a choice: he could either exterminatus the planet, burying the Nightbringer, revolutionaries, and Dark Eldar all at once in a single fell swoop, or he could boost his own ego by making a balls-first attack on the excavation site with nothing but chain swords and bolters. Unfortunately for the entire galaxy, Uriel chose the latter of these options, lost the fight, and let the Nightbringer get free.

^
EVIDENCE!

Karmine wrote:Sorry bud, they're not the greatest, they're probably the worst...

The Ultramarines have some of the most boring 1st founding histories for any Astartes Chapter in the Imperial history.

Circa M29: The Unification Wars. The Emperor of Mankind unites Terra, and sets off to conquer the stars in a series of violent and bloody battles. The Ultramarines’ Primarch, Roboute Guilliman (Nicknamed Rowboat Girlyman for his utter douchebaggery during the Heresy), is conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

012.M31-014.M31: The Horus Heresy. Almost half of all Space Marine legions betray the Emperor and turn to Chaos. The traitors lay siege to Holy Terra, and most of the Space marine legions suffer major losses. The Blood Angels, Imperial Fists, and White scars are forced to make a stand on Terra while the Dark Angels lose their homeworld to renegade elements within their home planet, the Salamanders, Iron Hands, and Raven Guard are nearly destroyed, and the Emperor is crippled while battling Horus. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs. After the Heresy, Rowboat Girlyman created the Codex Astartes as we know it today, including the separation of the 10,000 strong legions into 1,000 strong chapters. Note that the Ultramarines didn't participate in the defense of Terra, didn't sustain crippling damage to their Chapter's manpower, and note that, best of all, when they arrived they were too fething late. The war was already won, yet their primarch still was the first to create the new rules.

546.M32: 'The Beheading': The High Lords of Terra are all slain on the orders of Drakan Vangorich, Grand Master of the Officio Assassinorum. The rogue Master of Assassins is tracked down and slain by a Space Marine strikeforce drawn from the Imperial Fists, Halo Brethren and Sable Swords. Only a single Space Marine survives the campaign. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

843.M35: Distress call from Grendel's World investigated. Planet discovered to have been attacked and all inhabitants slain by terror tactics of the Night Lords. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

Early M36: The Age of Apostasy and the Reign of Blood begin. Warp storms increase dramatically and Chaos and Ork attacks multiply. The Imperium falls into turmoil. An empowered Ecclesiarchy becomes more tyrannical. High Lord Goge Vandire becomes the most powerful member of the Senate of the High Lords of Terra, and manipulates a small sect, the Daughters of the Emperor(AKA: today the Sisters of Battle), into becoming his personal bodyguards, the Brides of the Emperor. Vandire rules largely unopposed and more and more bloody and tyrannical. Zhoros (Fire Hawks' world) thermal bombed. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

266.M36: Sebastian Thor is born on Dimmamar. He eventually becomes a threat to Vandire, who sends the Frateris Templar fleet to destroy Dimmamar. The fleet is completely destroyed by a warp storm, still existing today, named the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath in the Clax system. Vandire's armies are finally defeated by combined forces of the Tech Guard and several chapters of Space Marines, organized under the banner of the Confederation of Light, led by Thor. Vandire is executed by Alicia Dominica, the leader of his own bodyguards, who reclaim their old name Daughters of the Emperor in a conspiracy involving the Adeptus Custodes and the Emperor himself. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

723.M36: The 5th Black Crusade begins. Doombreed, a prince of Khorne declares war on the Adeptus Astartes. The Warhawks and the Venerators are lost. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

995.M40-000.M41 The Macharian Crusades. Lord Solar Macharius sets out to reconquer the Segmentum Pacificus for the Imperium. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

444.M41: First War for Armageddon. Chaos incursion led by Angron and World Eaters beaten back by Space Wolves and Grey Knights but only at a terrible cost. Only about a dozen of the grey knights survive the battle with Angron. The local planetary militia and the other citizens are mind-wiped, sterilized and put into work camps, to slave away for the rest of their short, miserable lives much to the horror of Logan Grimnar. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

742.M41 Damocles Crusade is launched against the Tau Empire due to the Imperium's ever growing Xenophobia, a small, strategically insignificant piece of nothingness, inhabited by weak fish people with minimal Faster-Than-Light Technology. The Ultramarines are thoroughly defeated along with the rest of the Imperial forces.

745.M41: First Tyrannic War. Hive Fleet Behemoth attacks the Ultramarines' homeworld, Macragge. Most of the chapter is eaten by Nids and lost their entire 1st company, the Chapter's company of hardened veterans and Terminators. The second fight they get and they still blew it, lulz.

901-912.M41 Badab War. The Astral Claws, Lamenters, Executioners, and Mantis Warriors chapters rebel against the Imperium, and are defeated by loyalist chapters. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

941-942.M41: Second War for Armageddon. The Ultramarines bump into an Ork Waaagh! while running away from the Tyranids. They are saved by the timely intervention of Commissar Yarrick and the Blood Angels.

988.M41: The battle of Rynn's World begins. A large ork army, led by the Warboss Snagrod attacks the Crimson Fists and their homeworld. During the battle, a stray missile strikes the Fortress-Monastery of the crimson fists, killing most of the Marines. The survivors are wounded severely and are forced to rebuild their chapter. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

757998.M41: The Third War for Armageddon begins. Having learned from past mistakes, Imperial Commanders commit a ridiculous amount of forces to hold the world. It drags on for months in a bloody stalemate, and soon Ghazghkull grows bored and leaves his generals to finish the fight while he goes looking for other worlds to conquer. Commissar Yarrick joins a Black Templars Crusade and gives chase. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

5999.M41: Warmaster Abaddon launches the 13th Black Crusade. The armies of Chaos Undivided lay siege primarily to Cadia but attack many of the surrounding worlds as well. Imperial Forces launch a massive counterattack, and eventually push back the tides of Chaos, but only just barely, and at great cost. The Space Wolves' 13th Company are amongst the forces seen fighting against the forces of chaos. The Ultramarines are conveniently located on the other side of the galaxy when this occurs.

As an additional note of interest, there stands reasonable evidence that the Ultramarines are partially responsible for unleashing the Nightbringer on the galaxy in the current age. On the planet Pavonis, it was brought to the attention of Uriel Ventris, of the 4th company of the Ultramarines, that a group of revolutionaries were digging their way straight to the Nightbringer's sarcophagus while the Dark Eldar rounded up the keys to unlock the thing. Uriel was given a choice: he could either exterminatus the planet, burying the Nightbringer, revolutionaries, and Dark Eldar all at once in a single fell swoop, or he could boost his own ego by making a balls-first attack on the excavation site with nothing but chain swords and bolters. Unfortunately for the entire galaxy, Uriel chose the latter of these options, lost the fight, and let the Nightbringer get free.

^
EVIDENCE!

A yup, its true, if I asked "what chapter is the biggest glory hog in the game?" youd be right, but they are most definitely NOT the best chapter in 40k.
Its ok Samus, the Ultramarines propaganda machine got you, it happens to the best of them

i hear angry marines and grey knights are pretty bamf

Dark Angels are crazy awesome!

Templars are the best. You shoot us we get angry and come for you, Need lascannons? A single list can field over 20. Twin linked attacks for the whole army, yes please. CANNOT penetrate my vehicle in shooting phase if I pop smoke? Yes please. Vehicle stunned? Thats cool, I am gonna tank shock you anyway thank you very much. POTMS into ANY vehicle? Sure why not!

I'm gonna add my vote to the ol' Black Templars. We rock.

Flesh Tearers! I tell you what stick the chapter in a bunch of drop pods shake 'em up abit like and ant farm get 'em nice and crazy and let 'em loose on whatever chapter on a whatever planet. They are the most prone to the Black Rage....once they all get the blood of Sanguinius boiling and the insanity set in deep they about unstoppable. They wiped out a bunch of Sisters of the Order of the Argent Shroud...bonus points in my book. And they about the only chapter Orks have actually avoided Krumpin. Heck they're going extinct anyway so what do they have to lose??? Oh and they used to fight Dinosaurs before they became Astartes.......DINOSAURS!

Iron hands , Ultra marines are ! .

I'd have to go with Flesh Tearers, as aforementioned, it's pretty much a chapter full of Turok's. Other than that, Angry Marines hands down.

What's up with those marines malevolent? I've heard references to them all over the place, but I never really understood what they are. The lexicanum has very little on them...

Why is this not a poll? Can't you list the 200+ known chapters please?

I vote for Imperial Fists.

Samus_aran115 wrote:What's up with those marines malevolent? I've heard references to them all over the place, but I never really understood what they are. The lexicanum has very little on them...

I think they're just a standard issue Codex chapter.

I know they've been discussed already, but I have to say Grey Knights are easily the best chapter out there. They are always described as such (Yes, I know all the chapters are pretty much described this way in their own fluff, but still.), what with having all the most advanced technology, ships and training in the Imperium and being charged with defeating it's toughest enemies.

Remember they took down the Daemonic Angron and all his Bloodthirsters on Armageddon, don't think any other chapter has topped that.

Being the Inquisition's pet chapter certainly has its advantages.