GW seems to have made another step towards their Chinese paint suppliers: The Citadel paint range gets new pots in style with the foundation paint pots, but with a semi-transparent lid:



http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/05/29/36532

My FLGS got the first 6-pack of these last week, so the release already started.

Boo! I don't like the foundation pots.

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http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2010/05/29/36532

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They look rather cheap. Are they just pop tops? Or are they still the snap style lids they currently are? I mean do the lids just come right off, or are they still attached to the pot as they are now.

I don't like them, at all.

I like the current ones much better.

Kroothawk wrote:Hmm, worked when I posted it, but I edit the first ppost now.

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The current ones do work pretty well. It's always a bit hit or miss, but I feel like the current flip tops hold a seal a bit better than the "Foundation/Wash" style ones.

Kan, you are dakkas brim, as usual, thanks for the news!

Phryxis wrote:The current ones do work pretty well. It's always a bit hit or miss, but I feel like the current flip tops hold a seal a bit better than the "Foundation/Wash" style ones.

I have had more paints dry out with the current black flip lid than any other. The best was the original white soft plastic lid (still have some of the original release paints that are still usable...)

Mick

The clear lids could be handy for finding your colors quickly( I keep my paints in a tray in a drawer).

But, the only GW paints I use these days are some of the antique Citadel pop tops- GW lost my patronage for paints long ago.

I have had more paints dry out with the current black flip lid than any other.

The old screw off black lids were the ones I had the worst luck with. They pretty much uniformly would dry out, I think I have maybe two or three of them left.

The flip tops do also sometimes dry, but I haven't lost one all the way yet. So far I've spotted them and droppered in some water to rehabilitate it.

The tops on the Foundation/Washes seem ok, and the washes are doing well, but I've had most/all of the Foundations sludge up a bit. Might just be a symptom of the paint itself, tho.

The only concern I have with the foundation pots are they are so damned tiny. And the paint drips under the lip in the lid to run all over the hinge and down the side of the pot.

I do like the current ones. Best since the first pots they did (I still have 4 or 5 pots from 1992 that have perfectly fine paint in them).

I hope they aren't reducing the amount of paint. If so, its time to promote vallejo paints.

I have always found the GW paints as good as anyone else's (though more expensive, of course).

The main reason to use them is if you want to follow GW painting guides which tell you how to put Snot Green over Pus Yellow to make an attractive effect.

Otherwise there's no necessity to use GW and there are many alternatives available.

So is this a way of GW raising prices again?

Hehe i love how much people moan whenever gw changes something.
i can remember when they intreduced there own paint ! " hey these aint enamel whats going on "
and went to hexagonal pots and got rid of all the old clasic colours teracotta and night world blue and all the other great ones.
and then we had the blood angels herresy ! "why are your BA red ? not orange heritic !" lol
as long as the paints are still useable then i dont realy care . and as ive got 200 plus pots includeing most of the origonal colours {which never dry up }
im only gona be replaceing used up ones anyway.

Kilkrazy wrote:I have always found the GW paints as good as anyone else's (though more expensive, of course).

The main reason to use them is if you want to follow GW painting guides which tell you how to put Snot Green over Pus Yellow to make an attractive effect.

Otherwise there's no necessity to use GW and there are many alternatives available.

Convertion color tables at vallejos could probably help you out.
Unless is a very specific color with no correspondant on VGM or VMC im all for vallejos since most of my GW pots dried out.

Like this one! http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Paint_Range_Compatibility_Chart

CURNOW wrote:Hehe i love how much people moan whenever gw changes something.
i can remember when they intreduced there own paint ! " hey these aint enamel whats going on "
and went to hexagonal pots and got rid of all the old clasic colours teracotta and night world blue and all the other great ones.
and then we had the blood angels herresy ! "why are your BA red ? not orange heritic !" lol
as long as the paints are still useable then i dont realy care . and as ive got 200 plus pots includeing most of the origonal colours {which never dry up }
im only gona be replaceing used up ones anyway.

Well a paint range lasts as long as the pigments are in supply. When the run out and you need more, you can never get the exact same shade again. That's why some paint ranges appear and disappear in a fwe years, and others tend to update but the same named colours change colour. Humbrol have done this too, many of their enamels are a different tone and shade to pot made years ago. What ruined the Humbrol Authentics range was a fire in the factory that destroyed the pigment stores. The paints are still available but the colours are not the same.

Problem with GW paints is that the best they did were in the white pots years. Like most modelling supplies they bought them in rather than manufacturing themselves. Then then changed the black pots an it all went to hell. Loads of colours changed, 'Goblin Green' was totally different, and there was less paint in the pots, oh and the price went up. And the screw tops were useless. It took them years to change the design and what they have now isn't great either. Why is it that many people report still using their white top paints even though some are nearly 20 years old yet the modern ones have a shelflife of a few years at most, some last a few months.

1.) Personally I also like the current Citadel pots best, as you can easily take paint from the lid and colours do't dry out so often.
2.) A GW man told me that most people misinterpret the pin at the lid: It is meant as a stopper, not to keep the lid horizontal. You are not supposed to take the paint from the lid. So the spill of paint is caused by a non-intended use of the pot.
3.) Vallejo's Game Colour is a shameless copy of the GW Citadel colour range with all names as close as you can get. Still, Vallejo colours are a bit different, a.o. having more pigments and not so convincing metals.

No change to the actual paint? Just less paint for more cash right?

I will check tomorrow, but I think it's the same amount of paint for the same cash. Sorry to disappoint you

I like the colour-codex lids.

I think they look good, it'll be nice to be able to pick out a specific paint with a quick glance at the lid rather than shuffling through the entire pile of pots you have close at hand to find it.

Altough if they reduce the amount of paint/pot for the same price I won't be pleased.

Mookie.

Vallejo game color may be a copy, but they do have all the old colors that GW has pahsed out.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:Vallejo game color may be a copy, but they do have all the old colors that GW has pahsed out.

...And more paint on pots 17ml instead of the gw12ml, paint consistency more diluted wich is perfect for painters that like to blend, vallejos pots also controll the paint that exits from the pot to pallete in a much more controlable way wich means less waste, more durable etc etc, so its not really a Copy but much more a improvement on the formula... oh and its all that and cheaper.

I paint every day and I still prefer GW. Never understood why people hate on it so much. PP paint is good too but every time I try and get into Vallejo I am very dissapointed...

GW are nice for standard colors, but as soon as it gets historical....

GMMStudios wrote:I paint every day and I still prefer GW. Never understood why people hate on it so much. PP paint is good too but every time I try and get into Vallejo I am very dissapointed...

Its not like I hate them, Its more a question I like vallejos more for my painting.

Not a fan. I like the colors and washes/foundations having different bottles for distinctions' stake. The clear bottles look cheap.

Do keep in mind they said "from the factory in china"

So do not expect anything better than what we have, just hope its not worse.

I like the flat ring/edge around the inside of the black pots. I like to dab the excess paint off of the brush there, and like someone else said, dip paint off that lip inside the lid.

Makes me even more glad I've recently switched to Vallejo...

Personally, I love these. The colors are clearer, and if I'd be able to identify pots more easily, so I'm fine with the change despite the reduction in size.

I'm really not a fan of the foundation & wash paint pots right now, I like how the regular paint caps have that little flat part on the inside, I I shake up the pot, and take the paint from the inside of the cap and use the flat part on the inside rim for dabbing off paint or doing some light mixing.

I'd have to say my favorite kind are the valejo style droppers, but I don't like how watery most of the valejo paints are :(

With this change in the pots, I'll probably start getting Valejo paints since the eye dropper thing would make it easy to just squirt it all into my existing current GW pots.

Does anyone have better pictures?

I find GW and Vallejo to be very complementary to one another.

Some colors GW does better, some Vallejo.

Vallejo has droppers, which are nice because the paint doesn't dry out, and it makes for very repeatable mixing... But Vallejo also tends to get sorta clumpy and clogged in the dropper, so that can be a struggle.

Conversely, GW's flip tops are great to just grab some paint out and go, you won't have to fiddle with it to get paint, it's either dried and done, or you get paint.

I notice odd little "clotting" problems with Vallejo, where it forms little dingleberry sorts of things on the tip of the longest brush fiber. Not all colors, and not all the time, but one minor complaint.

All in all this sounds more pro GW, I guess, but I really do use a lot of Vallejo, particularly because of the mixing. Being able to count out drops and know you're repeating the same color over and over, that's a major, MAJOR plus for painting armies. For one offs, not as big.

Also, Vallejo's "Smoke" or whatever it's called, is fairly magical. Not the same effect as Devlan Mud, but similar in that plopping it on virtually anything makes it look much more interesting.

I am glad I switched to Vallejo.

I did not know that there paints were made in China (although it makes since), but it makes me wonder how toxic they are.

Ill stick to my P3 paints, although a dropper style bottle would be nice for sure.

If the only thing theyve changed for the paints is making the top lid clear, thats not so bad. If the lid itself is actually cheaper and flimsier Ill be disappointed.

i am suprised that you don't see model paint collections that are new from the factory popping up on e-bay from chinese shippers.

Not a fan of the Foundation style pot lids, but it isn't a deal breaker by any means. However, that semi-transparent lid bit is pure genius for being able to tell what color is what when they are all bunched up in my work space or in my paint drawer.

Although I quite like the foundation and wash lids, I have trouble opening them with no pain due to lack of nails (violinist you see), also, when ever I open them they are so tight I sometimes fear I may spill some of my precious paint over my cloths (not really a problem), the table and stuff and working on (a bit more of a problem) or the floor (now that IS a problem)

Of course, I like the transparent lids, I always have trouble finding the right colours even though I have the colour painted onto the lid for ease of use. Also, if they were pretty easy to open, then I think I'll like them more than the current ones as long as the price stays the same.

Got to admit for ease of popping round the corner from me I'll still be using some GW paints, moved to a new place and no idea if anywhere near does vallejo or PP paints where I can pop out and buy them if I need them that day.

Blackmoor wrote:I am glad I switched to Vallejo.

I did not know that there paints were made in China (although it makes since), but it makes me wonder how toxic they are.

Nor I, now I'm concerned with lead poisoning.

oni wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:I am glad I switched to Vallejo.

I did not know that there paints were made in China (although it makes since), but it makes me wonder how toxic they are.

Nor I, now I'm concerned with lead poisoning.

Don't eat it then...

For what it is worth, GW paints no longer say 'non toxic' on the side like they used to. Foundation red and yellow have the maximum lead content for something that can be sold to under 18s in Europe if I remember correctly as well. Dont eat paint

I don't like how watery most of the valejo paints are

Shake it baby! (for quite some time...)

And to get good layers you need to mix GW and Vallejo with some water anyway...

Where would one go to have bottles of paint tested for toxicity?

GMMStudios wrote:Where would one go to have bottles of paint tested for toxicity?

A well populated orphanage.

I had a look at the new pots and can confirm that they have the standard 12ml content as all previous Citadel and Foundation pots. Furthermore, with this years price hike just done, paints stay the same price (although they got considerably more expensive last year).

GMMStudios wrote:Where would one go to have bottles of paint tested for toxicity?

There are special laboratories for such tests. But as tests are expensive, they are done selectively. E.g. by the EU (see Killabot example for a similar test).

The testing materials themselves likely run in the tens of dollars, assuming you already have a properly-equipped lab and somebody who knows how to run them. The expensive part generally would be putting together that lab. And either paying the lab personnel or getting the proper training yourself. (If you happen to know somebody who works in a chemistry lab and would do you a favor, and are willing to pay for the supplies yourself, you could probably get it done for under a hundred dollars.)

Or you could accept that paint with lead in it isn't really a problem unless you put it in your mouth, or it flakes off the model in significant amounts. If you're painting your house, you'd better avoid the lead... but unless you're painting thousands of models or have them where your kids can put them in their mouths (a bad idea anyway, as most of them are choking hazards), I can't see it being a problem.

Howard A Treesong wrote:

oni wrote:

Blackmoor wrote:I am glad I switched to Vallejo.

I did not know that there paints were made in China (although it makes since), but it makes me wonder how toxic they are.

Nor I, now I'm concerned with lead poisoning.

Don't eat it then...

DaveL wrote:Or you could accept that paint with lead in it isn't really a problem...

Thought I'd toss this out there... the most common pathway of lead exposure is through ingestion of lead dust through normal hand-to-mouth contact. So unless your washing your hands everytime you get GW paint on them and wearing a dust mask when you're drybrushing; guess what... You'll be injesting lead.

So while it may not kill me it still doesn't give me a warm feeling knowing that I'm handeling a toxic substance.

GW made figures in lead for years and your hands would go black handling them over a long period. As long as you respected them by washing your hands afterwards before eating food and the like it was fine.

Paints don't have much lead in them. Unless you put the stuff in your mouth in large quantities you'll be fine. There are much greater risks in the hobby such as certain chemicals in various modelling putties and of course resin. Anyone seriously worried by the lead in their citadel paints should be too scared to leave the house.

You may be suprised to know that there are lead test kits available at many home improvement stores and on line. They were made specifically to test old paint on existing objects. Basically it is a test strip that you rub on the paint (sometimes you need to scrape the paint a little) and if it changes to a specific color there is lead in the paint.

Mick A wrote:

Phryxis wrote:The current ones do work pretty well. It's always a bit hit or miss, but I feel like the current flip tops hold a seal a bit better than the "Foundation/Wash" style ones.

I have had more paints dry out with the current black flip lid than any other. The best was the original white soft plastic lid (still have some of the original release paints that are still usable...)

Mick

Agreed, after discovering all my blue paints had dried up beyond repair I won't be buying any more GW paints. My FLGS has warmachine's line as well and thats an opportunity to throw them more business.

I think the new design is kind of lame.
The paint tends to cake around the ring.
And I used the top of the black pot as a pallette
Does not work for the new style

I still have some 20+ year old white top GW paints that I use on a semi-regular basis. They rock.

All of the black screw top GW paint bottles were terrible in comparison, as has been said, they dry up so fast I may get 1 or 2 uses out of a pot before its gone.

the slightly newer black pop tops were an improvement over the screw tops, but they still suck compared to the white topped ones of old.

The company that produced the white-top paints is still around operating under a different name, my FLGS stocks their full range... Coat d'arms, I'm working on collecting their full catalog now.

RogueMarket wrote:I hope they aren't reducing the amount of paint. If so, its time to promote vallejo paints.

It was time to do that LONG ago, where have you been?

I don't see much wrong with the current flip top. 1,000x's better than the previous screw on. Whoever thought plastic screwing onto pvc was a good thing was a moron.

I very rarely use Citadel paints though. I prefer their metallics to everyone else's though and the washes are the best washes I've ever used (as far as premixed).

I guess I'll judge the new paint pots when/if I get a chance to use them.

Demogerg wrote:The company that produced the white-top paints is still around operating under a different name, my FLGS stocks their full range... Coat d'arms, I'm working on collecting their full catalog now.

The same company also makes PP's P3 paints.

I too have about half a dozen white top GW paints. They've never dried out like my more recent GW purchases. All my paint purchases over the last couple of years have been Vallejo and P3.

I like the regular pots were you can stack them.

Kroothawk wrote:1.) Personally I also like the current Citadel pots best, as you can easily take paint from the lid and colours do't dry out so often.
2.) A GW man told me that most people misinterpret the pin at the lid: It is meant as a stopper, not to keep the lid horizontal. You are not supposed to take the paint from the lid. So the spill of paint is caused by a non-intended use of the pot.
3.) Vallejo's Game Colour is a shameless copy of the GW Citadel colour range with all names as close as you can get. Still, Vallejo colours are a bit different, a.o. having more pigments and not so convincing metals.

Yeah shameless insofar as the yellows actually cover Their new foundation like range is supposed to be good too from what I read.

I will echo other comments here, GW has some good colors and great washes. I like many of their foundation colors and haven't found anything comparable to GW's 'blood red,' and think their metallics are the best I've used so far.

That being said I have been really liking Vallejo's dropper bottle set-up and the fact that many of their colors are GW clones so there's no problem jumping back and forth and being able to accurately measure drops of color to water/additive is excellent.

As far as the pots are concerned the newer GW Foundation and wash pots, that are clearly the basis for these other new ones, are imho the worst pots from GW (besides the awful screwed top ones before the current ones.)

Clear lid, nice, but I always just put a blob of paint on the top of the pot anyway because I generally prime black and so you can get a pretty accurate representation of the true color of dried paint over a black field, so clear is cool but unnecessary.

As long as the colors stay the same I don't really care, since their are few colors I buy from GW nowadays anyway.

tends to cake around the ring.

Cakes around the ring!?!
Sounds like a bad case of Baker's Bum. Should get yourself off to the quacks' mate.

Don't mind either pots and the contents seem to work fine.
Metallics are excellent. Whites and yellows are the most opaque I have come across so far.

Agree that clear lids will be a boon. Be nice not to have to paint the lid for easy ID

Kroothawk wrote:1.) Personally I also like the current Citadel pots best, as you can easily take paint from the lid and colours do't dry out so often.
2.) A GW man told me that most people misinterpret the pin at the lid: It is meant as a stopper, not to keep the lid horizontal. You are not supposed to take the paint from the lid. So the spill of paint is caused by a non-intended use of the pot.
3.) Vallejo's Game Colour is a shameless copy of the GW Citadel colour range with all names as close as you can get. Still, Vallejo colours are a bit different, a.o. having more pigments and not so convincing metals.

....what?

You're NOT supposed to paint from that lid-thing? How the hell do you expect me to dip my brush all the way into the pot without it coming out covered in paint???What the heck is that thing even there for?Why am I getting so angry about this??

*I dont have any particular dislike for transparent bottles. Aslong as the tab between the bottle and the lid is sturdier , im fine with it.
As of now , all the main colors of foundation paint bottle of mine are all broken. And there are also always rings of dry paint around the mouth
of the bottle.

*its not we eat / drink paint. Some of us use our lips to shape our brushes. So if its toxic , there are some concerns.

LunaHound wrote:

*its not we eat / drink paint. Some of us use our lips to shape our brushes. So if its toxic , there are some concerns.

Totally, I usually just do this. Your avatar is somewhat of a threat to me..I keep thinking you're some totally hot chick or something...wierd.

I've already begun my move to Vallejo, and until GW goes to dropper style pots with quality in line with Vallejo, I'll stay away from them. GW's blacklids had a history of drying way too fast, and they lack the precision of the eyedropper lids. Not to mention they had less paint (although they do a good job of looking like they'd hold more).

I'd imagine these new pots will have even less paint, either that or a marked increase in price.

Least we not forget the stupid foundation paints, and soon to be all paints, are a pain in the arse to get in those racks. You have to "play" with the pots a little bit. annoying.

You're NOT supposed to paint from that lid-thing? How the hell do you expect me to dip my brush all the way into the pot without it coming out covered in paint???What the heck is that thing even there for?

It is amazingly simple
or use a palette

no idea what that is for- maybe to help any paint run back down into the pot?

Samus_aran115 wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

*its not we eat / drink paint. Some of us use our lips to shape our brushes. So if its toxic , there are some concerns.

Totally, I usually just do this. Your avatar is somewhat of a threat to me..I keep thinking you're some totally hot chick or something...wierd.

Furries, Samus. Just don't go into it.

Chibi Bodge-Battle wrote:

You're NOT supposed to paint from that lid-thing? How the hell do you expect me to dip my brush all the way into the pot without it coming out covered in paint???What the heck is that thing even there for?

It is amazingly simple
or use a palette

no idea what that is for- maybe to help any paint run back down into the pot?

Yeah,but then you lose paint in the process,you've gotta clean the damn pallete,you've gotta use the exact amount of paint you need,you've gotta hold the pallete. How much do you expect me to do????!!!

lol.

Karon wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

*its not we eat / drink paint. Some of us use our lips to shape our brushes. So if its toxic , there are some concerns.

Totally, I usually just do this. Your avatar is somewhat of a threat to me..I keep thinking you're some totally hot chick or something...wierd.

Furries, Samus. Just don't go into it.

Egads,I hardly noticed the cat ears. Gross,well..maybe...Damn you furries and your poisonous influence. I've already lost 2 friends to the temptations of the furry flesh!

George Spiggott wrote:No change to the actual paint? Just less paint for more cash right?

Pots changing, and that's it. No change in the colour, the price or the volume.

Expect to see them as stocks of the current pots expire.

Anyone else notice that GW changed their Super glue? I hate them for that. I know the brush is better,but Geezus, you get less than 1/4 of the super glue that came in the old tube! I actually prefer the messy nozel, as it's much better for metal models. You'll never be able to get metal models (like the daemon prince or example) together now!

Tube? Superglue in a tube?

We've had the brush bottles for years in the UK, and it never came in a tube. Didn't know anywhere else had different!

Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:Tube? Superglue in a tube?

We've had the brush bottles for years in the UK, and it never came in a tube. Didn't know anywhere else had different!

0_o

Really? I just looked at the label, and it says : Made by Adhesive Systems Inc., Frankfurt IL For Games Workshop, Glen Burnie Maryland

So I guess it's a local thing then? Anyone else have this stuff? It's got a picture of a red orc on the label. Huh

In the UK, it's a pretty plain bottle.

Plaggy Glue comes in a chunkier bottle, and is seriously good at what it is (better than the old brush bottle plaggy by a country mile, once you've figured out the dropper!)

Guys without trying to sound selly at all.

GW Superglue has to be the most expensive glue per gram.. there are some great value and more useful variations of super glues available out there.

Oh and the new pots are already arriving in retail. We have some.

I find GW's superglue too weak for sticking stuff together, maybe glazing greenstuff so it cures faster, but not for sticking stuff together. I use a brand that I can't remember the name of (it comes in those triangluler things which hurt to get the glue out, painful, but worth it)

Back on topic, I personally don't mind if there is a very small amount of lead in the paints even if I do lick the brush from time to time. The Romans used lead pipiing for water and still managed to survive quite well.

rich1231 wrote:Guys without trying to sound selly at all.

GW Superglue has to be the most expensive glue per gram.. there are some great value and more useful variations of super glues available out there.

Oh and the new pots are already arriving in retail. We have some.

Not really sure what you're talking about there. It's not the cheapest,but it's certainly not the most expensive. You get an ounce of this liquid gold for 8 bucks. Their plastic glue is roughly the same for 6 dollars.

Not very expensive,considering an ounce of superglue has lasted me through 3 battleforces and multiple tanks. AND I'm barely halfway through the bottle. Well worth the money. No idea what your talking about bub.




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Mad Doc Grotsnik wrote:In the UK, it's a pretty plain bottle.

Plaggy Glue comes in a chunkier bottle, and is seriously good at what it is (better than the old brush bottle plaggy by a country mile, once you've figured out the dropper!)

Yeah, our super glue is exactly like that. I just call it a tube because that's the most apt word for it. It's almost the same bottle.

My super glue of choice. $6 for 4oz bottle and strongest bonding super glue I've ever used.

does Vallejo make washes and foundations like GW does, those are the main colors I use when painting but if i can find them for cheaper I am in. I also have not had much trouble with paints from GW drying out asides from a few pots that my little sister left open.

Maj Kolbak

Fateweaver wrote:

My super glue of choice. $6 for 4oz bottle and strongest bonding super glue I've ever used.

..What? No way that's 4 oz. There's definitely more in my bottle,unless that bottle is 6 inches tall or something...

Besides,I prefer a looser bond. I'm constantly converting and repainting stuff, so being able to snap off the pieces without to much fuss is desirable. Not sure if anyone else is like me, but I could care less if some dude's arm comes off in the car. I'll just redo it later.

Oh,and contrary to what you say,that's a 0.71 OZ. bottle. I can read it from here.

4oz. Stamped on the bottle itself. I know, I bought one a week ago.

That's where we differ. When I glue stuff I don't want it to ever break, hence I use plastic glue for plastics, Loctite for metals and epoxy glue for resin.

If I need to change a guys weapons I'll just buy a new model (or if I can I'll magnetize).

Samus... you are been sarcastic right?

Im abit confused....

Fateweaver wrote:4oz. Stamped on the bottle itself. I know, I bought one a week ago.

That's where we differ. When I glue stuff I don't want it to ever break, hence I use plastic glue for plastics, Loctite for metals and epoxy glue for resin.

If I need to change a guys weapons I'll just buy a new model (or if I can I'll magnetize).

Alright. I see your point.
Don't understand how it's possible that that tiny bottle is four ounces though... Maybe--DOH. My super glue is in weight,not volume! It says 1OZ/ 28.4g. Oops

Transparent lids? How dull. I've got something like 80 paint pots standing before me in three rows, just split into metalic, washes, foundations and normal paints, then by colour scale.

Transparent lids = cheating!

No the old ones are count as lids
the new type are WYSIWYG

SG is measured in weight, not volume. Confusing as tha little bottle isn't half a glassful of liquid.

20grams = 4oz.

GW's is 1oz for $6.

I know which one ill buy.

Riffzor wrote:Transparent lids? How dull. I've got something like 80 paint pots standing before me in three rows, just split into metalic, washes, foundations and normal paints, then by colour scale.

Transparent lids = cheating!

Pft.

Everyone knows the proper organizational methods for paint is taste.

Hmmm.... I've used GW's paints since I started, still stick with them. I'm considering looking into Vallejo as I've heard good things about the consistency for blending.

The new pots.... I like the color coding but I'm not too sure about the rounded design, I find that when I open the rounded foundation pots the paint seeps out onto the back of the pot.

Also, the hexagonal ones are easier to store as they stack on top of each other relatively well. All in all, I think they are my only gripes, nothing major, I don't really mind too much, I'll just continue to use them

Just got to have a proper look at them today- seems actually there has been an improvement on the "drip" problem of the foundation paints- Nice firm closing on 'em and same amount of paint as before.

Immediately looked at them and pondered what will happen with the empties, because with that transparent lid, if you can get it clean, you can keep track much easier of your mixed colours

My coice of glue is the GF9 one, best glue for metal, resin etc. I encountered in 20 years.

Duncan_Idaho wrote:My coice of glue is the GF9 one, best glue for metal, resin etc. I encountered in 20 years.

I'll check that out. I rate their 'green stuff' for value and their basing kits.

Fateweaver wrote:SG is measured in weight, not volume. Confusing as tha little bottle isn't half a glassful of liquid.

20grams = 4oz.

GW's is 1oz for $6.

I know which one ill buy.

No,obviously you don't. The GW one is 28.4 grams.

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:SG is measured in weight, not volume. Confusing as tha little bottle isn't half a glassful of liquid.

20grams = 4oz.

GW's is 1oz for $6.

I know which one ill buy.

No,obviously you don't. The GW one is 28.4 grams.

The new Superglue with the brush applicator is a 5g bottle for $6.60. Not sure what bottle you are reading from.

The plastic glue is in a 20g bottle, that much I know.

Fateweaver wrote:

Samus_aran115 wrote:

Fateweaver wrote:SG is measured in weight, not volume. Confusing as tha little bottle isn't half a glassful of liquid.

20grams = 4oz.

GW's is 1oz for $6.

I know which one ill buy.

No,obviously you don't. The GW one is 28.4 grams.

The new Superglue with the brush applicator is a 5g bottle for $6.60. Not sure what bottle you are reading from.

The plastic glue is in a 20g bottle, that much I know.

*groan

forget it....

Perhaps the GW superglue bottle IS 28grams but the only one I can find a pic of is the new brush applicator super glue and that is 5g.

Not to mention I doubt GW's works as good as loctite and why would I buy a 5g bottle for $6.60 when I can buy the Loctite Professional I showed for $5.97 at home depot and it's 4x's the amount of GW SG?

I don't know why you are groaning or what I'm not getting.

Yep, the GW SG is in the smaller bottle, GF9 has a 28,4g and it is definitely bigger.

Meh, I like my current paint pots.

The only thing I like about these new pots is the semi-transparent lid. This will let me find the color I am looking for. But I hate the new pot design since they leak in at the connection point for me.

meh, i've found all superglues work exactly the same for my needs, I tend to go for the zap stuff, that's the thicker kind instead of the watery kind.

I tried GW's and GF9's, didn't notice a difference in glueyness. The brush applicator sounds good for some uses but for me personally I'd rather the tip came to a little point so you could get the glue into tighter spots if you need to.

I like the idea of clear lids for the new paint pots, but that's about it. I still prefer the hex shaped pots. My favorite is the vallejo eye droppers though.

Pipboy101 wrote: But I hate the new pot design since they leak in at the connection point for me.

They've changed the connection point though to stop that!

Under normal conditions (central european) the GF9 glue bonds faster than the GW glue.

GW didn't tease a mega paint set of the new pots? Too early I guess, but they did take it away that deal from their website awhile back.

The Mega Paint Set is awesome. Although, I wish they'd give you a couple spray cans though. Give me Black,White and Matte finish instead of the basing stuff. I've got enough of that. Or maybe just the Citadel Spray gun. I don't know.