I'm making the miniatures I sculpted for my Daemon Army available to the public. Currently available is the original Daemon Princess. The model is 4.5 inches (120 mm) tall, and 52 gram in weight. Intended for 28-30 mm miniature war-gaming systems such as Warhammer, Warhammer 40k, etc. Includes one model (unpainted), base not included. The model comes unassembled: arms, right leg, torso, head, two wings, and a loincloth. The parts are socketed to hide the joins, while allowing for easy assembly without the need to pin. The miniature is cast in high quality resin. Base not included. The current price is $50 USD.














If interested the model can be purchased at my ebay store, at the following link.



The second Daemon Princess variant will be available this weekend, as will two alternate heads and weapon arms. Additional models will be post here as they become avalible.


Thanks for looking.

I like that very much. Is it limited run? In a few weeks I'll be more than happy to buy one. Looking forward to pics of the other variant.

Sorry, man, but if a Daemon player plops down a model with finely sculpted tits, complete with detailed nipples, I pick up my minis and leave the LGS forever.

Because....... they scare you?

I'll run 3.

Seriously, I'm ordering one when I get paid in a few weeks.

Nice choice for a base. That's one of the wall guards to put behind door knobs so you don't punch holes in your wall.

I've used those for FW Greater Daemons.

Its sad that you would be asked to leave the GW once anyone saw that.

I'd love to have one, but I don't have any FLGS to play at, only GW stores.

Its a shame how society reacts to miniatures with breasts or a dick or vagina.

Ostrakon wrote:Sorry, man, but if a Daemon player plops down a model with finely sculpted tits, complete with detailed nipples, I pick up my minis and leave the LGS forever.

That's going to give you some problems with anyone using about half f the various Daemonette models that GW has released over the years...




It's an interesting model, but a little gangly and out of proportion. I'm interested in seeing what the other head looks like...

I like it but there's something off... I think it's the head. It's a little too big for the body.

Yup, sorry to criticize, but the head is about 2x too big for the body...

i needs one or else i'll explode! sometimes that happens

Ostrakon wrote:Sorry, man, but if a Daemon player plops down a model with finely sculpted tits, complete with detailed nipples, I pick up my minis and leave the LGS forever.

I do not know why, but this is the funniest comment i have ever seen on Dakkadakka.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I like it but there's something off... I think it's the head. It's a little too big for the body.

A little?

It's head is enormous. Looks stupid with a bonce like that.

Have you fellows LOOKED at the proportions on stock GW 28mm figs recently? The head/hands are even larger, proportionately. The larger head and easier-to-see face will look great from the height you usually see you minis at, whereas a realistically-proportioned one will look somewhat off (something I noticed with Inq. minis).

And if you don't like the head, the body's still a bargain for $50. Plonk something else on there.

Great work, sersi, and that's a very fair price.

Ostrakon wrote:Sorry, man, but if a Daemon player plops down a model with finely sculpted tits, complete with detailed nipples, I pick up my minis and leave the LGS forever.

Just a few years ago the official GW daemonettes came compete with "finely sculpted tits", too...in some cases multiple pairs of breasts even.

Ostrakon wrote:Sorry, man, but if a Daemon player plops down a model with finely sculpted tits, complete with detailed nipples, I pick up my minis and leave the LGS forever.

To prove how much more mature you are?

Ostrakon wrote:Sorry, man, but if a Daemon player plops down a model with finely sculpted tits, complete with detailed nipples, I pick up my minis and leave the LGS forever.

Well, that's your reaction ... mine would probably be more like "Sheesh, where you get that?! Nice norcs!!! You've already won, I'm distracted!!!"

(Yes...it doesn't take much! )

Don't forget the Dark Elf (and now Beastmen) harpies got some nippled boobies as well.
I am not going to get this since I have no need and money to get things I don't need. Now if you made some Daemonett sized models that might be different. They make good Harpies or Witches.

Ostrakon wrote:Sorry, man, but if a Daemon player plops down a model with finely sculpted tits, complete with detailed nipples, I pick up my minis and leave the LGS forever.

Bye?

Come on, guys. I'm not a prude by any means. There's tasteful nudity, and then there's, well, this. And if old Daemonette models had the same level of mammary detail, then that doesn't make it any better.

Think about the game we play, and the places we play it. How often do youngish kids walk into GWs and LGSs and fawn over the finely painted minis on the table? Now, I'm not the kind of person who thinks a 12 year old seeing a pair of tits on a giant humanoid lobster is going to ruin his childhood or whatever, but chances are his parents are going to see it too. And that means one less potential 40k player.

I really have to question the sanity of someone who thinks it's appropriate to plop this thing down on a public table. Especially given that most of the neckbeards I encounter are some degree of sexually dysfunctional anyway.

leejerrum wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:I like it but there's something off... I think it's the head. It's a little too big for the body.

A little?

It's head is enormous. Looks stupid with a bonce like that.

I have to admit all the huge, half naked, chaos daemons I see each day as I walk to work do have smaller heads...

Sarcasm mode off...

That's a really nice sculpt and worth the money. If I had a daemon army I'd certainly order one (if I had the spare cash I'd order one anyway).

Mick

Ostrakon wrote:Come on, guys. I'm not a prude by any means. There's tasteful nudity, and then there's, well, this. And if old Daemonette models had the same level of mammary detail, then that doesn't make it any better.

Think about the game we play, and the places we play it. How often do youngish kids walk into GWs and LGSs and fawn over the finely painted minis on the table? Now, I'm not the kind of person who thinks a 12 year old seeing a pair of tits on a giant humanoid lobster is going to ruin his childhood or whatever, but chances are his parents are going to see it too. And that means one less potential 40k player.

I really have to question the sanity of someone who thinks it's appropriate to plop this thing down on a public table. Especially given that most of the neckbeards I encounter are some degree of sexually dysfunctional anyway.

The logic in this post doesn't coincide with the sheer ignorance of the first. You'd stand up your opponent because of the rare possibility that a child, whom you've never met, wandering in the store might lose the chance to play the hobby for a few years until he has his own income as a teenager thanks to the fact that mom and pop got offended by the titty monster? That makes absolutely no sense. I think you oppose this mini for personal reasons, rather than any actual concern as to whether or not Timmy's parents will be offended by the mini.

Your use of the stereotypical Neckbeard as a defense for taking a shot at this mini is also laughable, and almost slapped in as haphazardly as the defense of your first post. As lottery tickets always tell me, 'Please Play Again".



Now then, I have to agree that the head just looks a bit too large. I'd still happily use it, but you may want to reduce the size a bit on future heads, and maybe stick this one on a different sculpt down the road.

I certainly think I'll be buying one for the missus though, once the other weapon and head options come out. I'm hoping there'll be a sword arm

It's a lovely sculpt. I like the head - the facial features are very well done - but it does seem a bit out of proportion to the rest of the body.

I hope you'll consider a moo-cow head and/ or fiend type head. I've always been a fan of KOS with demon heads over princess heads.

A Fiend or Horse head would look pretty cool, yea. A lizard-type head might look good too. A cow/bull head would go better on a Khorne DP though, IMO.

metallifan wrote:A cow/bull head would go better on a Khorne DP though, IMO.

Ummm... Someone doesn't know their Keeper of Secret's model history.



Edit: Found the picture I was looking for:

Ostrakon wrote:Come on, guys. I'm not a prude by any means. There's tasteful nudity, and then there's, well, this. And if old Daemonette models had the same level of mammary detail, then that doesn't make it any better.

Think about the game we play, and the places we play it. How often do youngish kids walk into GWs and LGSs and fawn over the finely painted minis on the table? Now, I'm not the kind of person who thinks a 12 year old seeing a pair of tits on a giant humanoid lobster is going to ruin his childhood or whatever, but chances are his parents are going to see it too. And that means one less potential 40k player.

I really have to question the sanity of someone who thinks it's appropriate to plop this thing down on a public table. Especially given that most of the neckbeards I encounter are some degree of sexually dysfunctional anyway.

To be honest mate questioning the sanity of someone who plays a particular model because it has breasts is pretty rude, a child has a seen the breast since they left the womb heck they suckled on it for a while too, even if the parents complained to you why do you care ? It's your model, and the parents shouldn't be so protective of their child.

Like Metallifan said, "Your use of the stereotypical Neckbeard as a defense for taking a shot at this mini is also laughable" ... Good day !

Back onto your model Sersi, I think it's awesome and if I did daemons I would buy one for sure, the head may be a little large but mneh nobody is perfect !

40k is clearly intended for a 'mature' audience, and I use that term loosely. There's more murder, sex, betrayal, and greed than in a soap opera. I wouldn't use the model in a public place with a lot of kiddies around, but I also wouldn't walk away from someone that was using it.

And I agree, I don't care for the head. It's not even that it's huge, it just doesn't look right to me. Too bland maybe, not hideous enough?

Platuan4th wrote:

metallifan wrote:A cow/bull head would go better on a Khorne DP though, IMO.

Ummm... Someone doesn't know their Keeper of Secret's model history.

I said it would look -better-, not that it hasn't been tried.

*shudder*

I just really do -not- like the look of that old stuff. Nostalgia or no.

You know, just realizing the sheer ignorance and lulz, I'm sigging that sentence, no copy!

metallifan wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:

metallifan wrote:A cow/bull head would go better on a Khorne DP though, IMO.

Ummm... Someone doesn't know their Keeper of Secret's model history.

I said it would look -better-, not that it hasn't been tried.

I disagree, but to each their own. I prefer my Khorne GD's with more of a feral dog sort of head(but I was always a fan of the older GDs).

Although on this one, a cow head probably wouldn't fit.

Ostrakon wrote:Come on, guys. I'm not a prude by any means. There's tasteful nudity, and then there's, well, this. And if old Daemonette models had the same level of mammary detail, then that doesn't make it any better.

Think about the game we play, and the places we play it. How often do youngish kids walk into GWs and LGSs and fawn over the finely painted minis on the table? Now, I'm not the kind of person who thinks a 12 year old seeing a pair of tits on a giant humanoid lobster is going to ruin his childhood or whatever, but chances are his parents are going to see it too. And that means one less potential 40k player.

I really have to question the sanity of someone who thinks it's appropriate to plop this thing down on a public table. Especially given that most of the neckbeards I encounter are some degree of sexually dysfunctional anyway.

Platuan4th wrote:
I disagree, but to each their own. I prefer my Khorne GD's with more of a feral dog sort of head(but I was always a fan of the older GDs).

Although on this one, a cow head probably wouldn't fit.

Yea, like I said, that's just me. Something about the RT/2E stuff doesn't click with my tastes.

You're right on the Khorne stuff though - the trademark of his GDs happen to be dog heads anyway. I can't really see a Bloodthirster with a Beagle head, mind you...

Hehe... If you crossed a Shih-tzu and a Bloodthirster... man, no good name could come out of that.

metallifan wrote:

Platuan4th wrote:
I disagree, but to each their own. I prefer my Khorne GD's with more of a feral dog sort of head(but I was always a fan of the older GDs).

Although on this one, a cow head probably wouldn't fit.

Yea, like I said, that's just me. Something about the RT/2E stuff doesn't click with my tastes.

You're right on the Khorne stuff though - the trademark of his GDs happen to be dog heads anyway. I can't really see a Bloodthirster with a Beagle head, mind you...

Hehe... If you crossed a Shih-tzu and a Bloodthirster... man, no good name could come out of that.

Now I wanna build a Dachshuthirster...

I bet Frazz has a Wiener dog Bloodthirster somewhere in his house... A... A Wienerthirster?

Grundz wrote:

Ow ow ow ow...brain fire..wtf is going on in the picture!?

Could be worse, could take on a male anatomy....

Only if you're so homophobic that you can't bear to see a schlong on a mini. We're all big kids here, we all know what a pee-pee looks like.

metallifan wrote:Only if you're so homophobic that you can't bear to see a schlong on a mini. We're all big kids here, we all know what a pee-pee looks like.

oh by all means yes but if one is so disturbed by the sight of mammary glands on a model he would surely not be pleased with a male sex organ.

If kids are going to be offended by titties.. I gotta ask, why the heck is a child playing 40k unattended? The entire fluff of the game is fairly violent

Everyone hates everyone else, no tolerance, murder on a huge scale.. lots of demonic references, etc

On another note which I find funny, studies have shown the areas which are the most repressed sexually have the highest internet porn usage :p.. Dont you dare let my son see naked 28mm models!! But hold on while I go look at some porno

Parental responsibility >>> hysterical outbursts

Its absurd to think that you should just never play a game cause it has tits.. Last time I checked MOST parents dont BAN their kids from movies, television, virtually any high school today.. Almost ANYTHING a child does in this world today will be more sexually charged than whatever model is in a miniature store

If someone storms out of a store cause of nudity then there is probably something else going on there

Kurgash wrote:

metallifan wrote:Only if you're so homophobic that you can't bear to see a schlong on a mini. We're all big kids here, we all know what a pee-pee looks like.

oh by all means yes but if one is so disturbed by the sight of mammary glands on a model he would surely not be pleased with a male sex organ.

It could be worse than that though.

Imagine a set of boobs, but they've got dongs in place of nipples.

Now -that- would disturb anyone

Tbh, this is my least favorite of all of sersi's demon princesses.... Now, when the crouching one comes out, well ill be there, buying it in a flash

Its so much cooler posed.

metallifan wrote:
It could be worse than that though.

Imagine a set of boobs, but they've got dongs in place of nipples.

Now -that- would disturb anyone

Thanks, I think you just gave me inspiration for my next conversion

Just kidding... Or am I?

metallifan wrote:
Imagine a set of boobs, but they've got dongs in place of nipples.

Now -that- would disturb anyone

I know you're joking, but there IS an entire fetish in hentai built around pretty much precisely that.

Platuan4th wrote:

metallifan wrote:
Imagine a set of boobs, but they've got dongs in place of nipples.

Now -that- would disturb anyone

I know you're joking, but there IS an entire fetish in hentai built around pretty much precisely that.

O.o

Remind me to -never- visit Japan.

Ever.

but it's japan... i'd give my right arm to go there and pick up a few things

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:but it's japan... i'd give my right arm to go there and pick up a few things

You mean things like...

"Diet Water"


The beloved "Butt-Pillow"


A good old fashioned "Face Bib"


And of course, everyone's personal favorite, the Upside-down Umbrella!

You can also drink that healthy, chemical and mineral rich, city-air-filled rainwater thanks to a reservoir held in your free arm!

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:but it's japan... i'd give my right arm to go there and pick up a few things

Define "things"

Anyway. Good model overall, tbh I didn't like the head much and that's just me.

Besides, what's all this stuff about 13 year olds and these kinds of models? I'm 13! Think anyone gives two that I'm seeing it?

Sure, a few parents might have a fit over some models like these, but with the lack of Daemon armies it's not likely that they will see one anyway.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:but it's japan... i'd give my right arm to go there and pick up a few things

Define "things"

Anyway. Good model overall, tbh I didn't like the head much and that's just me.

Besides, what's all this stuff about 13 year olds and these kinds of models? I'm 13! Think anyone gives two that I'm seeing it?

Sure, a few parents might have a fit over some models like these, but with the lack of Daemon armies it's not likely that they will see one anyway.

a few airsoft weapons they won't ship to the states, maybe some women depending on my mood, and defiantly a hand forged sword of my own design

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:but it's japan... i'd give my right arm to go there and pick up a few things

Define "things"

Anyway. Good model overall, tbh I didn't like the head much and that's just me.

Besides, what's all this stuff about 13 year olds and these kinds of models? I'm 13! Think anyone gives two that I'm seeing it?

Sure, a few parents might have a fit over some models like these, but with the lack of Daemon armies it's not likely that they will see one anyway.

a few airsoft weapons they won't ship to the states, maybe some women depending on my mood, and defiantly a hand forged sword of my own design

Win.

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Darkvoidof40k wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:but it's japan... i'd give my right arm to go there and pick up a few things

Define "things"

Anyway. Good model overall, tbh I didn't like the head much and that's just me.

Besides, what's all this stuff about 13 year olds and these kinds of models? I'm 13! Think anyone gives two that I'm seeing it?

Sure, a few parents might have a fit over some models like these, but with the lack of Daemon armies it's not likely that they will see one anyway.

a few airsoft weapons they won't ship to the states, maybe some women depending on my mood, and defiantly a hand forged sword of my own design

Win.

*cough* alucard's guns *cough* dante's guns *cough* vash's gun *cough* of which anyone wanna try and help me make an inquisitor look like alucard?

*cough*lolwut*cough*backontopicnow*cough*

Ostrakon wrote:Come on, guys. I'm not a prude by any means. There's tasteful nudity, and then there's, well, SLAANESH.

Fixed that for you

I am definitely picking one up, though I am not 100% thrilled with the head. I have been looking forward to funding Sersi for a long time.

The head isn't all that great but can I remind you of something much worse than an oversized head...


yes this whole mini is worse.

Kurgash wrote:Could be worse, could take on a male anatomy....

The hobby needs more dongs.

BrookM wrote:

Kurgash wrote:Could be worse, could take on a male anatomy....

The hobby needs more dongs.

On Ultramarines.

So THAT'S where Marneus' extra attack comes from...

SUPER DONG MACE!

Like Metallifan said, "Your use of the stereotypical Neckbeard as a defense for taking a shot at this mini is also laughable" ... Good day !

Word mate! My thought exactly.

I like how the premise of endless war, torment, religion, violence and grimdarkness is more acceptable than A PAIR OF BOOBIES (to some). It boggles my mind how someone can say that breasts are a big no-no but the mindless slaughter of each other is okay.

Mind you I'm all for both slaughter and boobies

I like the model, but I find the head doesn't suit it too well.

anticitizen013 wrote:Mind you I'm all for both slaughter and boobies

Indeed! Especially when they're combined! Booby-slaughter is just grand!

Sidstyler wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:Sorry, man, but if a Daemon player plops down a model with finely sculpted tits, complete with detailed nipples, I pick up my minis and leave the LGS forever.

Just a few years ago the official GW daemonettes came compete with "finely sculpted tits", too...in some cases multiple pairs of breasts even.

now they make flat chested transvestites with crazy hair cuts

Now, see that's what I love about Dakka. The thread almost stayed on topic for a whole page! Thanks for looking in any case.

Now, about the breasts, if its that bothersome. I will happily sculpt a detach-able bikini top. Consider it done.

On the head, started sculpting with her skull, on a 7 head tall figure. I think the horns and "jersey" hair make it look bigger.

That said, I take this as a challenge. You want smaller heads? Done. You want cow heads and fiend heads? While not my thing... if you want one that way pm me. Buy, the model and I'll convert it virtually any way you want! If the conversion is a simple one its free.

Some one asked about availability. Since I own the molds and the originals. I can always cast more, so don't worry. Anyone who wants one will have one.



Now that the shameless whoring is out of the way. A couple of points. While money is always nice, this model was not made to be sold. It came about because of my love for this hobby and chaos in particular. I'm putting them out there, because people kept asking for them. Honestly, it tickles me to death that people like looking at my poor attempts at sculpting. Never mind wanting to buy any of it.


Anyway, watch this space.

Honestly, its a beautiful model, though a bikini top would be nice so I could actually use it at my GW stores.

Appreciate your noticing of the head being a bit too large.

"poor attempts at sculpting"? I think not.

How does it scale vs 54mm (Inquisitor scale) models?

I'd love to use it as a daemonette (I'd leave off the wings) for Inquisitor.

metallifan wrote:I bet Frazz has a Wiener dog Bloodthirster somewhere in his house... A... A Wienerthirster?

You can't say wienerthirster. Ostrakon will leave your local gaming store FOREVER if you say wienerthirster.

Because of the wiener part.

When are the other models becoming available? Are the separate bits going to be available? I have lusted after these models since I first laid eyes on them.

I see a tiny blindfold and claw hammer in my piggy banks future.

Sersi wrote:Honestly, it tickles me to death that people like looking at my poor attempts at sculpting. Never mind wanting to buy any of it.

Oh please, quit being intentionally modest. You know just as well as we do that you could give most guys at GW a run for their dough. I'd say that if they were smart, they'd swap the guys currently responsible for the gawdawful Slaanesh line out for you instead. Your stuff is certainly superior to what's out there, and actually gives players a chance to develop an entire army devoted to one god while still using the standard Daemon codex. That's more than anything GW can claim.

personally i don't think the head is too big and i'd hate it if it had a top on. it is a beautiful model as is.... and i need one or else i'll explode

Karon:


You flatter me. I'll post up pics of the bikini top tomorrow, I'll do three that way you can pick the one you like best. Want a spiky armored breast plate, hey I'll do that too.




Waaagh_Gonads:


People still play Inquisitor? Kidding...kidding... I have a box of the models somewhere as well. She's 4.5 inches tall vs the 2 inch height of the Inquisitor models. So, a bit more that twice there size. I do plan on making two different Slaaneshi herald models and they will be 54 mm scale. I'll be sure to post them up when ready.



Ironwright:


Daemon Princesses:

The second and third Daemon princesses are getting molded this weekend, so they'll be up Monday, hopefully.


Male Keeper of Secrets:

The big Keeper is a much bigger model and the mold will be more complex to build. The size would make it expensive, but a friend of mine is advising me on hollow casting it. So it might end up using 2/3rds less resin, with a resulting reduction in cost. That I will be sure to pass along. Hopefully, buy the end of June.


Soulgrinder:


The Soul Grinder has lots of parts so it will take a bit longer, that and I still have to workout what to do with the power source.


Wyrms:

These I can cast any time. Want them let me know.


Bits & Pieces:


Wings and stuff? Just ask!



Later!

If I could sculpt this well, I would put my results into production immediately.

However, apart from LGS/GW stores, there are many more venues with mature-aged gamers who would welcome this on the tabletop... not all gamers are PG/12yo and coddled until they are married and buy a home to have 2.5 children in...

Regarding Sersi's models:
I think your sculpting is fantastic and easily better than what I am able to do at the moment. However, this model is IMHO the least impressive of your works. I can't figure out what it's supposed to be doing in that pose. Still, this is leagues better than GW's model and I look forward to seeing more of your stuff go up for sale. Keep at it!

Regarding Ostrakon's fear of boobies:
I don't see anything wrong with exposed breasts on a model if they are appropriate to the context, and these are very appropriate to the context. You may live your life in fear of random encounters with offended parents, but thankfully many of us don't have that problem.

I think if nothing else, the fact that these breasts are at least somewhat feasible is to be applauded.

Of course, I'm still watching an ultraforge pleasuredemon on the shelf at a gaming store. I don't need it, but I want it...

I'm not sure I get how this isn't "tasteful". It's just naked breasts, that's it. She's not doing anything "inappropriate", just lunging forward with her clawed hand out and no top on.

It just makes me think that there is no such thing as "tasteful" in the mind of people like Ostrakon because the presence of nudity at all seems to be the problem. You can't make it more "tasteful" without covering it all up.

Is there something wrong with the body God gave you?

I could show you what's wrong with my body, but this is a family forum.

I would buy this model if I had a use for it (and once the head is down to size, and it comes with a attachable bra so If I did have a use for it, I COULD use it) but I don't.

If someone has a problem with bare tits on a toy, there's something wrong with that person.

George Carlin had at least one great routine about how the US is offended by sex, but trying to kill one another - that's okay. And he suggested replacing 'kill' with...another word... in movie cliches.

We're gonna kill you sherrif, but we're gonna kill you nice and slow.

2 problems
1. Its slaanesh
2.Its not nurgle
besides that the models awesome!

Not liking the proportions.

H.B.M.C. wrote:I like it but there's something off... I think it's the head. It's a little too big for the body.

How many demon heads have you seen?


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I've been loving your army since you started, now will you also cast up those truly disturbing tantric yoga/birth pangs bodies too?

Sersi wrote:

Now, about the breasts, if its that bothersome. I will happily sculpt a detach-able bikini top. Consider it done.

Make the bra cups skulls! Because everything is better with MOAR SKULLZ!


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Waaagh_Gonads wrote:How does it scale vs 54mm (Inquisitor scale) models?

I'd love to use it as a daemonette (I'd leave off the wings) for Inquisitor.

Wait.

Someone, somewhere plays Inquisitor?

I disbelieve!

Polonius wrote:I could show you what's wrong with my body, but this is a family forum.

If someone has a problem with bare tits on a toy, there's something wrong with that person.

I know everyone likes to jokingly call miniatures "toys", but I wouldn't say it's okay for bare tits on an actual toy. Miniatures are more like little works of art, so I'm a little more accepting of nudity.

I think it's funny how insecure some of you guys are, leaping to defend your god-given right to big-titted, bare-chested, lobster-clawed avatars of a fictional hermaphrodite.

I don't have a problem with nudity. I love boobs. I just think there's an appropriate place for them, and wargames aren't one of those places.

I mean, don't you think playing with hand-painted toy soldiers is socially stigmatic enough as it is? You really want to throw OP's sculpt into the mix? There's having pride in being a nerd - and I'll happily step up to defend my hobbies to any detractors - but there's a point where you really have to stop and think about what you're doing, and how other people are going to perceive it.

It's kind of like showing up to a job interview wearing a t-shirt and jeans. Chances are, an employer doesn't care too much about the fine details of whatever attire you're going to be wearing, and will focus on your skills. But it's not the fact that you're not wearing a properly tailored suit, but rather the apparent fact that you think it's appropriate to show up to an interview in casual attire, which is going to make you seem kind of daft.

I could care less about the mini itself. It's actually very well-done. And if I invited someone to my house to play on my table in a nice private game and they fielded it, I don't have a problem with it whatsoever. But if you plop this thing down at a LGS, it just makes you look like a sexually dysfunctional moron. Whether you agree with them or not, there are some basic standards of decency society expects you to adhere to, and going out of your way to break them doesn't make you more mature - if anything, it makes you seem like a petulant rebel wannabe.

I understand what your saying, Ostrakon. We are already perceived as sexually-foreign, socially awkward fools, why would you make that worse by making us look like completely fethed up.

But again, miniatures are a work of art. Within the context of Slaanesh, I have no problem with this, and you shouldn't either. Its a fething gigantic daemonic entity with LOBSTER CLAWS as hands. The boobs just had to the realism of the model. Would you rather it just have man-nips with piercings? That would be rather boring, as that's done to death.

So, for Slaanesh, its perfectly acceptable for the odd pair of breasts and such, but if you plop down an army of female catachans all with big racks, I may have to kill you for the sake of humanity.

Karon wrote:I understand what your saying, Ostrakon. We are already perceived as sexually-foreign, socially awkward fools, why would you make that worse by making us look like completely fethed up.

But again, miniatures are a work of art. Within the context of Slaanesh, I have no problem with this, and you shouldn't either. Its a fething gigantic daemonic entity with LOBSTER CLAWS as hands. The boobs just had to the realism of the model. Would you rather it just have man-nips with piercings? That would be rather boring, as that's done to death.

So, for Slaanesh, its perfectly acceptable for the odd pair of breasts and such, but if you plop down an army of female catachans all with big racks, I may have to kill you for the sake of humanity.

Acceptable for you or me, as a work of art? Absolutely fine. Like I said, the mini itself isn't offensive.
Acceptable for the table? Not really.

Metalifan, that post with the Japanese awesome products was fething hilarious! Good stuff.

And dude, who cares if the model has boobs hanging out? It fits the background.

You should have seen the thread a few years back where the guy modeled giant, erect penises on all of his Slanesh Soul Grinders, hahaha, not THAT was funny! They had nipple rings with chains, too! Class, all the way! haha.

Ostrakon wrote:I think it's funny how insecure some of you guys are, leaping to defend your god-given right to big-titted, bare-chested, lobster-clawed avatars of a fictional hermaphrodite.

I don't have a problem with nudity. I love boobs. I just think there's an appropriate place for them, and wargames aren't one of those places.

I mean, don't you think playing with hand-painted toy soldiers is socially stigmatic enough as it is? You really want to throw OP's sculpt into the mix? There's having pride in being a nerd - and I'll happily step up to defend my hobbies to any detractors - but there's a point where you really have to stop and think about what you're doing, and how other people are going to perceive it.

It's kind of like showing up to a job interview wearing a t-shirt and jeans. Chances are, an employer doesn't care too much about the fine details of whatever attire you're going to be wearing, and will focus on your skills. But it's not the fact that you're not wearing a properly tailored suit, but rather the apparent fact that you think it's appropriate to show up to an interview in casual attire, which is going to make you seem kind of daft.

I could care less about the mini itself. It's actually very well-done. And if I invited someone to my house to play on my table in a nice private game and they fielded it, I don't have a problem with it whatsoever. But if you plop this thing down at a LGS, it just makes you look like a sexually dysfunctional moron. Whether you agree with them or not, there are some basic standards of decency society expects you to adhere to, and going out of your way to break them doesn't make you more mature - if anything, it makes you seem like a petulant rebel wannabe.

Seriously Ostrakon? At your house this model is fine and a work of art, but if in public, the owner of said mini is "a sexually dysfunctional moron"? What about a model with breasts makes someone sexually dysfunctional?

If this model had dragon heads vomitting carrion into a writhing pile of nurglings on the base, you would be fine with it, as long as nothing on the model had tits. That's just wrong. With the amount of ultra-violence in this game, this model actually seems a little mundane to me.


Just to answer your questions:

"I mean, don't you think playing with hand-painted toy soldiers is socially stigmatic enough as it is?"
No. This has actually become a great way to stay connected with friends from college for me, and has actually landed me a job before at an electroplating company.

"You really want to throw OP's sculpt into the mix? "

I don't see why not. When you look at CONTEXT, this model is fine. This model doesn't have breasts for the sake of breasts. Like the crab claws, they establish this creature as a demon prince/princess of slaanesh. It's kind of messed up you are so offended by breasts that you have this reaction.

Do you remember that video game that came out years ago, with the female characters of this fighting game all thrown onto an island to play beach volleyball, and the whole point of the game was to show off a physics engine that jiggled enormous tits? THAT game gave me the same reaction you are having to this model. But you have to be able to distinguish tasteful accents that are in line with a theme, and obvious coddling of post-pubescent but socially inept basement-dwellers. I mean, we aren't going to put underpants on the statue of David because kids might walk by. . .

Ill hold back with insults and be as polite as possible for once.

Its a fething slaanesh daemon, they have tits, get over it.
Take a look through the range of slaanesh models on GW.
You will find that 99% do have tits, and they are hanging out.
If you find this wrong then maybe find something else to play since GW started the concept, its origional, and the model is simply based from it.

God forbid you ever hear of the game called Battle Raper or RapeLay (ahhh the Japanese... haha). Oops!

Seriously though... Like I said in a previous post. How can some people think that war, death, destruction and all the stuff that goes along with it are okay, but a little bit of (daemon) skin is completely wrong? It's like if someone gave you the choice between boobs and death, you would choose death.

It just doesn't make any sense. Mind you I'm not saying that you NEED to accept it; just that there's no point in getting so worked up over it. Especially if it's not even your model! If your opponent plays it, YOU KILL IT so he removes it. Bam problem solved without acting like a douche balloon.

Sersi: I find it awesome that you're going to be resculpting things like the head (and a bra for those that can't fathom the concept of Slaanesh). Even though you're not doing this as a job/career I always thought community involvement is always the most important aspect of well... anything. I mean look at Valve. They are my favourite gaming company because they listen to their fans (except when they said to boycott L4D2 and EVERYONE ended up buying it anyways but that's a different story altogether). So anyways, good on you for that!

There are issues of context and situation. I could use that model to great acclaim at one store in my area, get the stinkeye at another, and be asked to leave at a third.

Don't be the guy to bring your boob-demon to a place that doesn't approve. It's not classy or noble.

anticitizen013 wrote:God forbid you ever hear of the game called Battle Raper or RapeLay (ahhh the Japanese... haha). Oops!

Seriously though... Like I said in a previous post. How can some people think that war, death, destruction and all the stuff that goes along with it are okay, but a little bit of (daemon) skin is completely wrong? It's like if someone gave you the choice between boobs and death, you would choose death.

It just doesn't make any sense. Mind you I'm not saying that you NEED to accept it; just that there's no point in getting so worked up over it. Especially if it's not even your model! If your opponent plays it, YOU KILL IT so he removes it. Bam problem solved without acting like a douche balloon.

Sersi: I find it awesome that you're going to be resculpting things like the head (and a bra for those that can't fathom the concept of Slaanesh). Even though you're not doing this as a job/career I always thought community involvement is always the most important aspect of well... anything. I mean look at Valve. They are my favourite gaming company because they listen to their fans (except when they said to boycott L4D2 and EVERYONE ended up buying it anyways but that's a different story altogether). So anyways, good on you for that!

Actually I have heard of RapeLay, and I'm way more okay with that than the kind of people who would field this mini. At least RapeLay players have the decency not to play it in public. (Presumably anyway.)

Ostrakon wrote:
Acceptable for you or me, as a work of art? Absolutely fine. Like I said, the mini itself isn't offensive.
Acceptable for the table? Not really.

Actually, It's perfectly acceptable for a tabletop. It's just not acceptable -to you-. Problem being that you're looking too far into it, or you're just tossing out any sort of half-arsed weak defense of your opinion without any sort of aim besides sounding intentionallly obtuse.

You start by acting like you'd actually care what little Johnny's parents would say about the booby-demon, when really you make it obvious that you just want to act like you're morally superior to everyone else. You're on a wargaming forum. The moral superiority of -anyone- on here is akin to a piece of half-eaten toast.

Then, you're assuming anyone that uses Sersi's products in a public game is the stereotypical sexually challenged mouth-breather. All this does is reinforce the idea that you're acting intentionally ignorant.

Your "Job Interview" example is little more than yet another poorly thought out defense with meagre, if any, relevance to your stance. If you can't mount a proper defense of your attitude toward Sersi's hard work, then I suggest you just stop trying altogether, and spare yourself further humiliation.

If you're worried about social stigma when you're playing this hobby, you should maybe drop it altogether. That or stop caring about what other people think about your choice in hobbies. This is a world of some 6 Billion people. Between today and tomorrow, at least 1/4 of the population is going to do something infinately dumber than plopping down a big-boobed Daemon Prince on a gaming table. You call others insecure, but blatantly display your own issues with the same. Please, stop trying to justify your stance. You're embarrassing yourself. I fail to see how using this mini makes you seem either A) dysfunctional or B) rebellious. Your attempts are about as weak as carrot-top's jokes.

Really mate. You're just digging the hole deeper and deeper. Because unless you're also going to condemn the Statue of David (Which is nude and also publicly displayed) or any of the numerous paintings of the naked human form (again, publicly visible in any museum), then you're just holding this to a double-standard, which is practically killing you here. My advice would be that you take solace in the knowledge you've made your thoughts known, and just leave it at that.

Ostrakon wrote:Actually I have heard of RapeLay, and I'm way more okay with that than the kind of people who would field this mini. At least RapeLay players have the decency not to play it in public. (Presumably anyway.)

You've got to be gaking me.

So it is ok to play a game about rapeing people at home but to bring an awesome painted and sculpted mini to a gaming store (that will sell almost identical mini's) is a social faux pas?


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Actually perhaps we should take the previous approaches to hiding nudity and paint/GS little fig leaves over everyones naughty bits.

I believe Ostrakon has just implied that a plastic model with boobs that follows all of its background and everything, is more fethed up than Rapelay.

My mind may have imploded.

Ostrakon wrote:Actually I have heard of RapeLay, and I'm way more okay with that than the kind of people who would field this mini. At least RapeLay players have the decency not to play it in public. (Presumably anyway.)

...BAHAHAHA!!

Closet rapists are more acceptable than someone using a miniature with breasts? Oh man that's rich.

metallifan wrote:

Ostrakon wrote:
Acceptable for you or me, as a work of art? Absolutely fine. Like I said, the mini itself isn't offensive.
Acceptable for the table? Not really.

Actually, It's perfectly acceptable for a tabletop. It's just not acceptable -to you-. Problem being that you're looking too far into it, or you're just tossing out any sort of half-arsed weak defense of your opinion without any sort of aim besides sounding intentionallly obtuse.

You start by acting like you'd actually care what little Johnny's parents would say about the booby-demon, when really you make it obvious that you just want to act like you're morally superior to everyone else. You're on a wargaming forum. The moral superiority of -anyone- on here is akin to a piece of half-eaten toast.

Then, you're assuming anyone that uses Sersi's products in a public game is the stereotypical sexually challenged mouth-breather. All this does is reinforce the idea that you're acting intentionally ignorant.

Your "Job Interview" example is little more than yet another poorly thought out defense with meagre, if any, relevance to your stance. If you can't mount a proper defense of your attitude toward Sersi's hard work, then I suggest you just stop trying altogether, and spare yourself further humiliation.

If you're worried about social stigma when you're playing this hobby, you should maybe drop it altogether. That or stop caring about what other people think about your choice in hobbies. This is a world of some 6 Billion people. Between today and tomorrow, at least 1/4 of the population is going to do something infinately dumber than plopping down a big-boobed Daemon Prince on a gaming table. You call others insecure, but blatantly display your own issues with the same. Please, stop trying to justify your stance. You're embarrassing yourself. I fail to see how using this mini makes you seem either A) dysfunctional or B) rebellious. Your attempts are about as weak as carrot-top's jokes.

Really mate. You're just digging the hole deeper and deeper. Because unless you're also going to condemn the Statue of David (Which is nude and also publicly displayed) or any of the numerous paintings of the naked human form (again, publicly visible in any museum), then you're just holding this to a double-standard, which is practically killing you here. My advice would be that you take solace in the knowledge you've made your thoughts known, and just leave it at that.

You're comparing Michaelangelo's David to Sersi's mini? I'm not saying that Sersi's mini isn't high-quality, but there isn't really a comparison to be made there.

Once again, I don't have a problem with nudity. I have a problem with the kind of people who think it's cool to plop this sucker down on a public table. There is no need to bring this to an LGS for a casual game against strangers or acquaintances. Tourneys with a painting component or outright painting contests where you really need a Slaaneshi daemon prince, sure. But the sheer excess of this lobster-clawed monstrosity is completely inappropriate to field outside of that setting unless you worship the Prince of Excess himself.

It's about respect. Going on about how you have a right to field this kind of crap just shows the stupid entitlement complex you see all the time with 40k players. The vast majority of players are going to be put off by the sheer excess of the model.

So it is ok to play a game about rapeing people at home but to bring an awesome painted and sculpted mini to a gaming store (that will sell almost identical mini's) is a social faux pas?

Well, yeah. Something can't really be a social faux pas if you do it exclusively privately.

And for all its crazy rape-fantasy crap, Japan has a way lower rape per capita than many other countries, America included. If virtual rape is keeping some guys from wanting to fulfill any sort of physical desire thereof, I really can't bring myself to complain about it.

So, 2 pages of Off Topic because someone objects to breasts on models, then I suggest he doesn't fething buy it...

Enough, get back on topic and stop dragging this man's work down.

Have your thread about tits on models in the OT. Go make one, now, and stop being so bloody rude to the OP and his work.

Presumably Ostrakon would also refuse to play a game of Ancients against an Indian army containing a Maiden Guard unit, or an Egyptian army with camp followers in its base element.

This thread has gone past its sell-by date.

I wish the OP luck with his models.

Locking thread.