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Post by: bash_bates
So, what really happened to all the primarchs? A few we know, some we assume, for example, Roboutte Guilliman sits in his shrine in his stasis field with these wounds right, who caused them, is he still technically alive etc? Of all the Primarchs who turned traitor, people seem to assume they are all Daemon Princes, that seems a bit weak to me. Forgive me I haven't read the Chaos Codex so am unaware if this sheds any more light.
So... in order...
1st Legion - Dark Angels - Lion El'Jonson
2nd Legion - Lost
3rd Legion - Emperors Children - Fulgrim - Possessed, turned into Daemon Prince
4th Legion - Iron Warriors - Perturabo
5th Legion - White Scars - Jaghatai Khan
6th Legion - Space Wolves - Leman Russ
7th Legion - Imperial Fists - Rogal Dorn
8th Legion - Night Lords - Konrad Curze/ Night Haunter - Allowed himself to be killed by a Calidus Assassin
9th Legion - Blood Angels - Sanguinus - Killed by Horus
10th Legion - Iron Hands - Ferrus Manus - Killed by Fulgrim/ Daemon Fulgrim becomes
11th Legion - Lost
12th Legion - World Eaters - Angron
13th Legion - Ultramarines - Rouboutte Guilliman
14th Legion - Death Guard - Mortarian
15th Legion - Thousand Sons - Magnus - Killed by Russ to save his legion, spirit resides in Eye of Terror
16th Legion - Luna Wolves - Horus - Killed by Emperor on his battlebarge in battle for Terra
17th Legion - Word Bearers - Lorgar
18th Legion - Salamanders - Vulkan
19th Legion - Raven Guard - Corax
20th Legion - Alpha Legion - Alpharius (Twins)
Feel free to fill in any blanks!!! 
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
bash_bates wrote:So, what really happened to all the primarchs? A few we know, some we assume, for example, Roboutte Guilliman sits in his shrine in his stasis field with these wounds right, who caused them, is he still technically alive etc? Of all the Primarchs who turned traitor, people seem to assume they are all Daemon Princes, that seems a bit weak to me. Forgive me I haven't read the Chaos Codex so am unaware if this sheds any more light.
So... in order...
1st Legion - Dark Angels - Lion El'Jonson
2nd Legion - Lost
3rd Legion - Emperors Children - Fulgrim - Possessed, turned into Daemon Prince
4th Legion - Iron Warriors - Perturabo
5th Legion - White Scars - Jaghatai Khan
6th Legion - Space Wolves - Leman Russ
7th Legion - Imperial Fists - Rogal Dorn
8th Legion - Night Lords - Konrad Curze/ Night Haunter - Allowed himself to be killed by a Calidus Assassin
9th Legion - Blood Angels - Sanguinus - Killed by Horus
10th Legion - Iron Hands - Ferrus Manus - Killed by Fulgrim/ Daemon Fulgrim becomes
11th Legion - Lost
12th Legion - World Eaters - Angron
13th Legion - Ultramarines - Rouboutte Guilliman
14th Legion - Death Guard - Mortarian
15th Legion - Thousand Sons - Magnus - Killed by Russ to save his legion, spirit resides in Eye of Terror
16th Legion - Luna Wolves - Horus - Killed by Emperor on his battlebarge in battle for Terra
17th Legion - Word Bearers - Lorgar
18th Legion - Salamanders - Vulkan
19th Legion - Raven Guard - Corax
20th Legion - Alpha Legion - Alpharius (Twins)
Feel free to fill in any blanks!!!
Johnson is sleeping in the rock, lorgar is a deamon prince, corax went insane and flew into the eye of terror, vulkan disappeared, magnus is a deamon prince on the planet of sorcerers, guilliman got his throat slit by fulgrim, angron is a deamon prince of khorne and the only prince primarch still active in m41, Morty is a deamon prince and rules over the plague planet which is modeled off the original death guard home world, Dorn killed himself durring one of the black crusades and the imperial fists have his gauntlet in a shrine, Russ went off to find a way to bring back the emperor, the Khan went into the dark eldar city with about a thousand of his best warriors, and Perturabo is a deamon prince and rules over Menengrad (yes i spelled it wrong but eh). the only one that is not fully known is alpharius he may have been killed by Guilliman but maybe not
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Post by: Carlovonsexron
Guilliman cot a poisoned wound from Fulgrim, and is in stasis right now - and supposedly is slowly getting better (as compared to the Emperor who is also in a form of stasis who is slowly dieing off more and more...)
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Post by: Nitros14
Magnus wasn't killed, he escaped into the warp after Russ broke his back.
Russ went into the Eye of Terror and was never seen again.
Perturabo, Mortarion, Magnus, Angron and Lorgar are all Daemon Princes sitting on their Daemon Worlds doing god knows what.
Alpharius or Omegon was killed by Guilleman but the other Twin lives.
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Post by: Gwar!
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarch#Fate_of_the_Primarchs
Fate of the Primarchs
Traitors
* Warmaster Horus was killed by the Emperor of Mankind, and his soul was obliterated. His corpse was completely destroyed by Abaddon the Despoiler, who also took over his place as overall leader of the Chaos Space Marines.
* Magnus the Red rose to the rank of Daemon Prince of Tzeentch.
* Angron rose to the rank of of Daemon prince of Khorne.
* Mortarion rose the rank of Daemon Prince of Nurgle.
* Fulgrim rose to the rank of Daemon Prince of Slaanesh.
* Lorgar rose to the rank of Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided.
* Perturabo rose to the rank of Daemon Prince of Chaos Undivided.
* Konrad Curze, aka Night Haunter, was assassinated by Callidus assassin M'Shen. He allowed her infiltration, apparently wanting to die.
* Alpharius was killed by Roboute Guilliman, but the source which reported his death may have been manipulated. It is not known if Alpharius or Omegon is the primarch killed in the report. Due to the report's unreliability, neither may have been killed.8.
Loyalists
* Ferrus Manus was killed at the Drop Site massacre at the start of the Horus Heresy by Fulgrim who presented his head to Horus.
* Sanguinius was slain by Horus after refusing to join him.
* Lion El'Jonson returned to his homeworld of Caliban only to discover that his friend and second-in command Luther and the Dark Angel garrison had turned against him2. He led a strike force of his own loyal Dark Angels against the traitors. He disappeared amongst the inferno as the world was blasted apart by a Warp Storm and a bombardment from his ships in orbit. He sleeps deep within the Rock, the biggest piece of Caliban and current home base of the Dark Angels1,2. Only the Emperor and the Watchers in the Dark know of this secret.1-p14
* Jaghatai Khan disappeared while pursuing Dark Eldar into a webway portal after they had managed to raid Mundus Planus. There are rumors that he fights there still, lost in the twisting paths of the Webway. After nine thousand years it seems highly unlikely, but not impossible.
* Leman Russ disappeared in the Eye of Terror. The Space Wolves hold a legend that says Russ went on a quest to find a means to cure the Emperor. His final words before his disappearance is that he would return for the Wolftime (the final battle). It is also said that Leman Russ led the 13th Company into the Eye of Terror and ordered them to hunt down the Traitor Legions which had fled to the Eye of Terror, particularly the Thousand Sons.
* Rogal Dorn boarded a Chaos cruiser during a Black Crusade alongside a company of his sons and died fighting. He died after many of his loyal brother Primarchs. Today, his hand is housed in the holiest shrine of the Imperial Fists chapter, and his dead body encased in amber and put in Phalanx 11.
* Roboute Guilliman was struck down with an envenomed blade by his former brother Fulgrim. His body is perfectly preserved in a stasis field at the heart of the Temple of Correction3. It is rumoured that he is still alive and that his wound is slowly healing, something normally impossible in a stasis field. The truth of this rumour is unknown but this is seen by many (including the Ultramarine captain Uriel Ventris) as mere optimistic thinking.
* Vulkan disappeared. The position of Chapter Master, filled by the Captain of the First Company, is considered to be a regency as the Salamanders believe that Vulkan will one day return and lead them on a great crusade against Chaos.
* Corax was racked by guilt and shame. In order to rebuild quickly the strength of his legion from the dropsite massacre on Isstvan V, Corax accelerated the growth of the gene-seed organs, producing more Space Marines, but this process also deteriorated the Gene-seed, causing many to become hulking monsters. Riddled with guilt over what he had done, Corax administered euthanasia to all of them and then locked himself away within his sanctum, the Raven's Tower. Exactly one year later he left his tower, haggard and gaunt, and took a small shuttle craft with the words Never more. It was last monitored setting a course for the Eye of Terror.
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Post by: bash_bates
Cheers for that! Could never find all of the information. Any chance of anyone coming back? Be nice to see some primarch models on the selves...
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Post by: Partof1
I'd say they won't make Primarchs playable, as some, Magnus for examplle, could take down Titans, and oodles of the most powerful Space Marines single handedly. They're simply too powerful, and best left unattainable.
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Post by: Lexx
Partof1 wrote:I'd say they won't make Primarchs playable, as some, Magnus for examplle, could take down Titans, and oodles of the most powerful Space Marines single handedly. They're simply too powerful, and best left unattainable.
Agreed. Though I'd love it if Ferrus Manus had survived. He was my favorite Primarch  .
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Post by: Chowderhead
They are all dead, except for 7. 6 are Deamon Princes, and 1, Lion'El Johnson, my favorite, is in a coma over a floating base called The Rock. Also, apparently, Rouboute Guillman is healing. Maybe. So their either dead, deamon princes, or in comas.
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Post by: Chowderhead
They are all dead, except for 7. 6 are Deamon Princes, and 1, Lion'El Johnson, my favorite, is in a coma over a floating base called The Rock. Also, apparently, Rouboute Guillman is healing. Maybe. So their either dead, deamon princes, or in comas.
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Post by: Chowderhead
They are all dead, except for 7. 6 are Deamon Princes, and 1, Lion'El Johnson, my favorite, is in a coma over a floating base called The Rock. Also, apparently, Rouboute Guillman is healing. Maybe. So their either dead, deamon princes, or in comas.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
russ is alive.... as for primarch models, i can't see it happening at least not officially. though rules for them have been done, tempus fugitives made them well balanced but not unkillable
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Post by: spamandchips
The people above me in this thread seem sure that primarchs like khan and corax are dead. Does anyone have anything to confirm/deny this? 
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Post by: Ghost in the Darkness
No they are simply MIA.
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Post by: Luna Havoc
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:russ is alive.... as for primarch models, i can't see it happening at least not officially. though rules for them have been done, tempus fugitives made them well balanced but not unkillable
they havent done a model for him, but angron is a playable daemon prince/primarch. granted its ni-impossible to field him but his does have his own stats and gear. Automatically Appended Next Post: Vulkan might have been lost at the dropsite massacre of Isstavan V, it was never really comfirmed.
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Post by: somecallmeJack
Luna Havoc wrote:TyraelVladinhurst wrote:russ is alive.... as for primarch models, i can't see it happening at least not officially. though rules for them have been done, tempus fugitives made them well balanced but not unkillable
they havent done a model for him, but angron is a playable daemon prince/primarch. granted its ni-impossible to field him but his does have his own stats and gear.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Vulkan might have been lost at the dropsite massacre of Isstavan V, it was never really comfirmed.
Where can I find the rules for Angron?
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
somecallmeJack wrote:Luna Havoc wrote:TyraelVladinhurst wrote:russ is alive.... as for primarch models, i can't see it happening at least not officially. though rules for them have been done, tempus fugitives made them well balanced but not unkillable
they havent done a model for him, but angron is a playable daemon prince/primarch. granted its ni-impossible to field him but his does have his own stats and gear.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Vulkan might have been lost at the dropsite massacre of Isstavan V, it was never really comfirmed.
Where can I find the rules for Angron?
an old white dwarf
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Post by: garret
chowderhead13 wrote:They are all dead, except for 7. 6 are Deamon Princes, and 1, Lion'El Johnson, my favorite, is in a coma over a floating base called The Rock. Also, apparently, Rouboute Guillman is healing. Maybe. So their either dead, deamon princes, or in comas.
Lies. Khan is still alive. Someday he will return and the white scars will be able to take on the whole ork species. Then we turn our focus on the traiterous ultramarines. Also vulkan will return when all artifacts return.
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Post by: oggers
What do they mean by Vulkan 'disappearing'?
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Post by: FITZZ
This is a bit off the original topic,but does anyone else see the similarities between the Night Lords Primarch Konrad Curze and the Character of Colonel Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now"?
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Post by: Gwar!
FITZZ wrote: This is a bit off the original topic,but does anyone else see the similarities between the Night Lords Primarch Konrad Curze and the Character of Colonel Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now"?
I'm pretty sure Curze is just a Grimdark Batman.
GW aren't smart enough to do something subtle like that.
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Post by: FITZZ
Gwar! wrote:FITZZ wrote: This is a bit off the original topic,but does anyone else see the similarities between the Night Lords Primarch Konrad Curze and the Character of Colonel Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now"?
I'm pretty sure Curze is just a Grimdark Batman.
GW aren't smart enough to do something subtle like that.
Your probably right Gwar.
The way both characters seemed to welcome their assains,seeing their deaths as proof of the truth of their convictions,along with "The Horror" both men had witnessed and participated in,may have been a bit beyond what GW would have thought of.
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Post by: reds8n
FITZZ wrote: This is a bit off the original topic,but does anyone else see the similarities between the Night Lords Primarch Konrad Curze and the Character of Colonel Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now"?
Yes. You'll note Kurtz was killed by Martin Sheen and the assassin who killed Curze was M'shen.
GW throw stuff like this in all the time.
Corax disappeared, interestingly the latest Imperial Armour book puts forward the idea that he might have secretly locked himself away in stasis, only to return when the Emperor has forgiven him for his failure to stop Horus' treachery.
Nevermore indeed eh ?!
This of course tallies with many of the Primarch myths ; the idea that they will return at some point in the future when all hope is lost/similar. It's a fairly common theme in mythology look at Arthurian legend and the like.
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Post by: Gwar!
Except in the case of Russ, he actually means to keep his word.
10k years kicking ass in the EoT while permanently blattered, naked and blue balled (don't forget, his armour was found in a Slaanesh temple  ) make you damn sure to keep your word if it's the last thing that happens! 
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Post by: reds8n
..well the 13th company members who came back from the EoT have been quiet on the subject eh...
One of the more interesting theories I read.. literally years ago.. about Russ was that he had gone to try to return or restore or rescue The Lion's soul from the EoT. The "vision" he saw at his last feast being a message or a vision of/from The Lion.
It makes more sense than Russ simply buggering off for a scrap, him and The Lion having reconciled their differences by now of course and both of them somewhat distraught at their respective failures during the HH. Russ would keep the near disgrace of the Dark Angels secret, especially if he felt that he could rescue The Lion and restore him and his Legion to the Emperor's good graces.
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Post by: Gwar!
That is if you consider the Lion to be the Loyalist, which is not as clear cut as one would like.
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Post by: reds8n
Hmm... I would say the HH books have pretty much cleared that one up really.
The Lion's loyalty is very clear cut. He has his own ambition and schemes of course but, well, everyone in a position of that power and authority would/does of course.
..subject to what happens in the later books of course.
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Post by: Gwar!
Unless it's all Lies and Propaganda.
And Lies!
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Post by: bash_bates
surely the lion had some idea of what caliban could be capable of. what did he expect luther to do in that position?
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Post by: Ilkhan
It's easy to say that the missing Primarchs are just dead, but I really hope it's not the case. If 40k ever actually ends I think it should be with the missing Primarchs returning, to be joined by the healed Guilliman and a resurrected Emperor, only to have to hold the line against a full scale Chaos invasion headed by all the Daemon Prince Primarchs (and perhaps the Chaos Gods themselves), the full-scale rise of the Necrons, massive Waaghs and Hive Fleets, and the ascendant Ynnead, Eldar God of the Dead. This universe deserves to go out with the biggest bang imaginable.
I just don't know how the Tau could get in on the uberness.
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Post by: Henners91
Short answer:
If they're a loyalist, GW found a convenient way to get rid of them.
If they're a traitor, then it's more than likely than not that they're just itching their arses sitting on some backwater daemon-world doing nothing.
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Post by: Luna Havoc
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:somecallmeJack wrote:Luna Havoc wrote:TyraelVladinhurst wrote:russ is alive.... as for primarch models, i can't see it happening at least not officially. though rules for them have been done, tempus fugitives made them well balanced but not unkillable
they havent done a model for him, but angron is a playable daemon prince/primarch. granted its ni-impossible to field him but his does have his own stats and gear.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Vulkan might have been lost at the dropsite massacre of Isstavan V, it was never really comfirmed.
Where can I find the rules for Angron?
an old white dwarf
http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?community=&catId=cat1290027&categoryId=600005&aId=11600027
thats where its located under Battle for Armageddon
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Post by: somecallmeJack
Nice one Luna Havoc. He seems a bit over-priced though!
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Post by: Melissia
They all saw how much GW loved the ultramarines that they decided to ragequit.
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Post by: bash_bates
Ilkhan wrote:It's easy to say that the missing Primarchs are just dead, but I really hope it's not the case. If 40k ever actually ends I think it should be with the missing Primarchs returning, to be joined by the healed Guilliman and a resurrected Emperor, only to have to hold the line against a full scale Chaos invasion headed by all the Daemon Prince Primarchs (and perhaps the Chaos Gods themselves), the full-scale rise of the Necrons, massive Waaghs and Hive Fleets, and the ascendant Ynnead, Eldar God of the Dead. This universe deserves to go out with the biggest bang imaginable.
I just don't know how the Tau could get in on the uberness.
the tau would probably be the ones left over at the end to pick up the pieces!
either that or the grots will take over...
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Post by: purplefood
oggers wrote:What do they mean by Vulkan 'disappearing'?
As in he is gone and no one knows where he is
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Post by: Kogwar
CHeck here it also tells in detail what happened to most of them and also alot of them are said to be comign bakc in the End of day and yes i know they all have different names for that time but it is all the same it is mentioned in the sm fluff and the eldar fluff for the pheonix lords.
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Primarchs
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Post by: Temujin
FITZZ wrote: This is a bit off the original topic,but does anyone else see the similarities between the Night Lords Primarch Konrad Curze and the Character of Colonel Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now"?
Apocalypse Now is based on Joseph Conrad's novel Heart of Darkness, which also had a character called Kurtz. I must admit I'd never realised that the assassin's name came from Martin Sheen.
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Post by: chub
All the Primarchs are dead, apart from the deamon prince ones and Guilliman. It said so in Codex Imperialis
"Although long lived, the Primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind finally died after fourteen hundred years."
So there you have it, unless GW decide to rewrite their own fluff, and we all know that won't ever happen.....
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Post by: Gwar!
chub wrote:All the Primarchs are dead, apart from the deamon prince ones and Guilliman. It said so in Codex Imperialis
"Although long lived, the Primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind finally died after fourteen hundred years."
So there you have it, unless GW decide to rewrite their own fluff, and we all know that won't ever happen.....
You do realise that all fluff is written from someone viewpoint, and that all of it is bias in one way or another and that there is not one single piece of fluff in a 3rd person omnipotent view?
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Post by: Lord of battles
Vulkan went out for smokes but never came back/
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Post by: Temujin
Gwar! wrote: ...there is not one single piece of fluff in a 3rd person omnipotent view?
We have some lines written from the perspectives of beings who might well be near omnipotent, albeit perhaps not so trustworthy.
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Post by: chub
Gwar! wrote:chub wrote:All the Primarchs are dead, apart from the deamon prince ones and Guilliman. It said so in Codex Imperialis
"Although long lived, the Primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind finally died after fourteen hundred years."
So there you have it, unless GW decide to rewrite their own fluff, and we all know that won't ever happen.....
You do realise that all fluff is written from someone viewpoint, and that all of it is bias in one way or another and that there is not one single piece of fluff in a 3rd person omnipotent view?
Actually I wasnt aware, but that is hardly suprising as I dont pay much attention to it. I only posted the comment I made as I thought I remembered seeing it all those years ago, and a quick flick through found it.
Also Codex Imperialis doesnt read like a point of view more like a sourcebook which it is, being a part of 2nd editions core rule books
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Post by: Gwar!
chub wrote:Also Codex Imperialis doesnt read like a point of view more like a sourcebook which it is, being a part of 2nd editions core rule books
The name kind of gives you a hint, don't ya think?
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Post by: DEUS VULT
Lord of battles wrote:Vulkan went out for smokes but never came back/
He does that to all his families. Last time it was for a gallon of milk. What a deadbeat.
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Post by: chub
@ GWAR Didnt really think about that, Dont really care either, fluff is fluff and as far as I am concerned is 99% of the time totally needless
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Post by: bash_bates
Fluff adds that extra depth to the game. It's one of the reasons my interest has been kept for so long. Fluff is important as it explains WHY legions/ chapters/ alien races act the way the do. Without the fluff it would just be a bunch of races with no background fighting for the sake of fighting. These forums would be bland had there not been any fluff to debate/ reasons to convert models. Without the fluff there is no 40K. Simples.
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Post by: chub
bash_bates wrote:Fluff adds that extra depth to the game. It's one of the reasons my interest has been kept for so long. Fluff is important as it explains WHY legions/ chapters/ alien races act the way the do. Without the fluff it would just be a bunch of races with no background fighting for the sake of fighting. These forums would be bland had there not been any fluff to debate/ reasons to convert models. Without the fluff there is no 40K. Simples.
Yet it means nothing to me when I play a game I am just pushing miniatures around a board and rolling dice, to me the game is all about the social interaction, I could just as easily be playing chess except I am not smart enough. Dont get me wrong Ive read dozens and dozens of BL novels but I enjoy them for what they are just 'Pulp Fiction' stories,they have no bearing on what I play or how I play. I also understand there are many out there who like yourself are kept interested by the fluff and even I have to admit I can get sucked into their excitement when I play against someone that enthusiastic.
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Post by: bash_bates
It can be infectious. The fluff doesn't effect how the game is played so much, but can change how the army is collected and structured. So does it have a knock on effect into how the games played? Maybe.
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Post by: Sgt.Roadkill
chub wrote:@ GWAR Didnt really think about that, Dont really care either, fluff is fluff and as far as I am concerned is 99% of the time totally needless
then why are you posting in the fluff section of this website?
anyhoo pretty much everythign has been said in regards to this HOWEVER
there were models for some of the primarch remember. 40k you had leman Russ and Robute Guilliman ( SP for all) and in Epic You had Fulgrim and Angron IIRC, they were the size of titans. I think there may have been more but i can't remember.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
Sgt.Roadkill wrote:chub wrote:@ GWAR Didnt really think about that, Dont really care either, fluff is fluff and as far as I am concerned is 99% of the time totally needless
then why are you posting in the fluff section of this website?
anyhoo pretty much everythign has been said in regards to this HOWEVER
there were models for some of the primarch remember. 40k you had leman Russ and Robute Guilliman ( SP for all) and in Epic You had Fulgrim and Angron IIRC, they were the size of titans. I think there may have been more but i can't remember.
morty and magnus as well
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Post by: Alpharius
Starting to get slightly uncivil in this thread.
Lets endeavor to keep things in check.
And yes, it probably isn't the smartest tactical decision to come into the Background Forum and post in a thread on the Primarchs if you really don't care about the Background.
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Post by: chub
Alpharius wrote:Starting to get slightly uncivil in this thread.
Lets endeavor to keep things in check.
And yes, it probably isn't the smartest tactical decision to come into the Background Forum and post in a thread on the Primarchs if you really don't care about the Background.
Sorry I dont often post in the fluff side of things, only on this occasion I thoughyt I had information that was relevant.
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Post by: bash_bates
Has anyone found any pictures of the Epic models???
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Post by: Alpharius
Magnus the Red:
Mortarion:
Angron:
Fulgrim:
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Post by: Retribution
Melissia wrote:They all saw how much GW loved the ultramarines that they decided to ragequit.
Haha
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Post by: Kogwar
chub wrote:All the Primarchs are dead, apart from the deamon prince ones and Guilliman. It said so in Codex Imperialis
"Although long lived, the Primarchs were not immortal and the last of their kind finally died after fourteen hundred years."
So there you have it, unless GW decide to rewrite their own fluff, and we all know that won't ever happen.....
Also Lion is still alive in the rock
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Post by: Gwar!
And Russ is still alive in the EoT, getting phenomenally drunk.
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Post by: SonofTerra
Dont forget that Alpharius and/or Omegon are still alive as well.
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Post by: tallshortguy
I remember reading somewhere of rumors that Russ was spotted along with the 13th Company during the 13th Black Crusade.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
tallshortguy wrote:I remember reading somewhere of rumors that Russ was spotted along with the 13th Company during the 13th Black Crusade.
he was according to the old EOT website
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Post by: Brutii11
I know that Vulkan is meant to return once the Salamanders find all of his lost equipment.
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Post by: bash_bates
And the Salamanders quest could go on forever.... The epic models look massive compared to normal troops, were they any good in the game, I mean Magnus for example can take down a titan using mind bullets...
Ta for the pics btw!
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Post by: Alpharius
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:tallshortguy wrote:I remember reading somewhere of rumors that Russ was spotted along with the 13th Company during the 13th Black Crusade.
he was according to the old EOT website
Seriously?
Anyone have this quote/piece of fiction saved?
I'd love to read it!
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Post by: KamikazeCanuck
Brutii11 wrote:I know that Vulkan is meant to return once the Salamanders find all of his lost equipment.
What? That lazy sonuva can't get his own stuff?
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Post by: daedalus-templarius
Those Epic models are pretty hilarious looking.
Hopefully 6th edition will herald the return of Russ or some other Primarch just in time for a Black Crusade to break Cadia and the Golden Throne to fail...
or some other way to advance the background
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Post by: Alpharius
daedalus-templarius wrote:Those Epic models are pretty hilarious looking.
Hopefully 6th edition will herald the return of Russ or some other Primarch just in time for a Black Crusade to break Cadia and the Golden Throne to fail...
or some other way to advance the background
You, me and just about everyone else would LOVE for the background to advance!
The Emperor dies - but is reborn!
But many don't believe, or choose to not believe, jealous of their own power base!
Civil unrest - CIVIL WAR!
Ultramar becomes the seat of the reborn Emperor's power - and base for a new Great Crusade!
Roboute Guilliman emerges from statis - healed!
The Great Khan, Corax and Russ - return!
Chaos breaks through Cadia!
The Tau and the Necrons are completely wiped out and never return, given that all they really were was a bad pandering attempt at drawing in the anime and 'Terminator Movie Fan' crowds!
Rejoice!
Never happen though...
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Post by: DEATH89
Alpharius wrote:daedalus-templarius wrote:Those Epic models are pretty hilarious looking. Hopefully 6th edition will herald the return of Russ or some other Primarch just in time for a Black Crusade to break Cadia and the Golden Throne to fail... or some other way to advance the background
You, me and just about everyone else would LOVE for the background to advance! The Emperor dies - but is reborn! But many don't believe, or choose to not believe, jealous of their own power base! Civil unrest - CIVIL WAR! Ultramar becomes the seat of the reborn Emperor's power - and base for a new Great Crusade! Roboute Guilliman emerges from statis - healed! The Great Khan, Corax and Russ - return! Chaos breaks through Cadia! The Tau and the Necrons are completely wiped out and never return, given that all they really were was a bad pandering attempt at drawing in the anime and 'Terminator Movie Fan' crowds! Rejoice! Never happen though...
You forgot that Cypher exposes Azrael as Luther and the Emp casts the DA out and re-unites the fallen under Cypher and the Lion is freed from his cell in the rock for some much needed psycho-therapy 
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Post by: KamikazeCanuck
no, no no. 'Nids simply eat everything!
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Post by: Alpharius
DEATH89 wrote:
You forgot that Cypher exposes Azrael as Luther and the Emp casts the DA out and re-unites the fallen under Cypher and the Lion is freed from his cell in the rock for some much needed psycho-therapy
OK, I did forget that!
But really, I can't remember everything!
Can I?
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
also forgot Dorn coming back as they never found his body
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Post by: KamikazeCanuck
Alpharius wrote:DEATH89 wrote:
You forgot that Cypher exposes Azrael as Luther and the Emp casts the DA out and re-unites the fallen under Cypher and the Lion is freed from his cell in the rock for some much needed psycho-therapy
OK, I did forget that!
But really, I can't remember everything!
Can I?
What!?! Azrael is Luther? Luther is The Lion!? Cypher is Cypher!? By the Emprah!
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Post by: LordWynne
I got figures of Angron, Mortarion, Magnus and Fulgrim from the Epic game and at times run them as Chaos Lords looks pretty cool.
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Post by: Alpharius
You might want to check page 2 of this very thread...
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Post by: SanguinaryGuard
Leman Russ went into the Warp to chase the TS CSM Chapter and took only his retinue with him, leaving behind Bjorn the Fell Handed to watch over the Chapter
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Post by: del'Vhar
Is there any actual fluff on how long a Space Marine can live?
Obviously they dont die from old age because they are fighting constantly, but how long can they last if they dont die in combat?
I would assume primarchs could last even longer than a normal Astartes, but I havent heard anything about an actual life span.
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Post by: SanguinaryGuard
I think they are pretty much invincible outside of combat. They do a number of procedures to alter the body of a SM to make it resilient to poisonous gases and all that
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Post by: Ryan4tor
AH! I mixed them up. Oopse. haha. Ferrus Manus was dead. Vulkan is missing, yeah.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
del'Vhar wrote:Is there any actual fluff on how long a Space Marine can live?
Obviously they dont die from old age because they are fighting constantly, but how long can they last if they dont die in combat?
I would assume primarchs could last even longer than a normal Astartes, but I havent heard anything about an actual life span.
marines are immortal, as are primarch's but they tend to die in combat
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Post by: Henners91
Marines aren't immortal Tyrael, take old Dreadnoughts like Bjorn... they are only rarely woken up because they're starting to slow down.
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Post by: Orangebandguy
Gwar! wrote:FITZZ wrote: This is a bit off the original topic,but does anyone else see the similarities between the Night Lords Primarch Konrad Curze and the Character of Colonel Kurtz in "Apocalypse Now"?
I'm pretty sure Curze is just a Grimdark Batman.
GW aren't smart enough to do something subtle like that.
It's a reference.
Corax saying "nevermore" is a direct reference to a famous poem called "The Raven" which was parodied in The Simpsons.
Lion El'Jonson is a reference to a poet called Lionel Johnson who wrote a poem called the Dark Angel.
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Post by: AgeOfEgos
If they came back though, who's going to babysit?
KHHHHHHHAAAAAAANNNNNN is the one I would like to see back but then again I play Scars...
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Post by: Asherian Command
Vulkan made me laugh so hard.
Vulkan and Gulliman would bring the imperium back to its Full glory.
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Post by: Kurb
Sanguinus
lives in the very blood of each Blood Angel
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
Henners91 wrote:Marines aren't immortal Tyrael, take old Dreadnoughts like Bjorn... they are only rarely woken up because they're starting to slow down.
HH books say otherwise
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Post by: DEUS VULT
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:Henners91 wrote:Marines aren't immortal Tyrael, take old Dreadnoughts like Bjorn... they are only rarely woken up because they're starting to slow down.
HH books say otherwise
Thats cause Marines still had that new-power armour smell on em at that point. The books actually say something along the lines of "as far as they knew, Marines are immortal"
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
lol, good point and with GW always changing the backround i've got $5 says with 6th ed codex marines all marines get a 6+ invulnerable save
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Post by: shrike
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:bash_bates wrote:So, what really happened to all the primarchs? A few we know, some we assume, for example, Roboutte Guilliman sits in his shrine in his stasis field with these wounds right, who caused them, is he still technically alive etc? Of all the Primarchs who turned traitor, people seem to assume they are all Daemon Princes, that seems a bit weak to me. Forgive me I haven't read the Chaos Codex so am unaware if this sheds any more light.
So... in order...
1st Legion - Dark Angels - Lion El'Jonson
2nd Legion - Lost
3rd Legion - Emperors Children - Fulgrim - Possessed, turned into Daemon Prince
4th Legion - Iron Warriors - Perturabo
5th Legion - White Scars - Jaghatai Khan
6th Legion - Space Wolves - Leman Russ
7th Legion - Imperial Fists - Rogal Dorn
8th Legion - Night Lords - Konrad Curze/ Night Haunter - Allowed himself to be killed by a Calidus Assassin
9th Legion - Blood Angels - Sanguinus - Killed by Horus
10th Legion - Iron Hands - Ferrus Manus - Killed by Fulgrim/ Daemon Fulgrim becomes
11th Legion - Lost
12th Legion - World Eaters - Angron
13th Legion - Ultramarines - Rouboutte Guilliman
14th Legion - Death Guard - Mortarian
15th Legion - Thousand Sons - Magnus - Killed by Russ to save his legion, spirit resides in Eye of Terror
16th Legion - Luna Wolves - Horus - Killed by Emperor on his battlebarge in battle for Terra
17th Legion - Word Bearers - Lorgar
18th Legion - Salamanders - Vulkan
19th Legion - Raven Guard - Corax
20th Legion - Alpha Legion - Alpharius (Twins)
Feel free to fill in any blanks!!!
Johnson is sleeping in the rock, lorgar is a deamon prince, corax went insane and flew into the eye of terror, vulkan disappeared, magnus is a deamon prince on the planet of sorcerers, guilliman got his throat slit by fulgrim, angron is a deamon prince of khorne and the only prince primarch still active in m41, Morty is a deamon prince and rules over the plague planet which is modeled off the original death guard home world, Dorn killed himself durring one of the black crusades and the imperial fists have his gauntlet in a shrine, Russ went off to find a way to bring back the emperor, the Khan went into the dark eldar city with about a thousand of his best warriors, and Perturabo is a deamon prince and rules over Menengrad (yes i spelled it wrong but eh). the only one that is not fully known is alpharius he may have been killed by Guilliman but maybe not
Didn't, Corax get killed by Perturabo in the audiobook raven's flight?
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AgeOfEgos wrote:If they came back though, who's going to babysit?
KHHHHHHHAAAAAAANNNNNN is the one I would like to see back but then again I play Scars...
why the f*** is Corax looking at porn?!
Anyway- if you listen to raven's flight, Corax is basically a ninja- in chapter's due, even normal raven guards and even techmarines can simply stand there, and even Telion doesn't notice them- Imagine what Corax can do- he brazenly walks straight past other marines and they didn't notice him!
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
no he didn't, Corax is alive... sorta
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Post by: Kogwar
he went into the eye of terror and also Konrad is much stealthier listen to dark king also alph legion they sneak past everything.
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Post by: Laughing God
As to SM being immortal they are not, as explained in Salamander...
As for ferrus mannus being dead, were is his body? I know his head got cut off but didnt he have Necrometal arms? WERES HIS WBB ROLL!?
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Post by: Lexx
Laughing God wrote:As to SM being immortal they are not, as explained in Salamander...
As for ferrus mannus being dead, were is his body? I know his head got cut off but didnt he have Necrometal arms? WERES HIS WBB ROLL!?
Heres hoping hes on mars recuperating  .
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Post by: SoloFalcon1138
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:russ is alive.... as for primarch models, i can't see it happening at least not officially. though rules for them have been done, tempus fugitives made them well balanced but not unkillable
Games Workshop *did* make a Leman Russ mini, it came with two wolves, like the picture from 2nd edition.
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Post by: Kogwar
ohh post i link i would love to see it.
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Post by: Azariah Kyras
Doesn't the fluff imply that Guilleman may not have even killed Alpharius or Omegon, considering that all of the members of the Alpha Legion call themselves Alpharius?
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