One Nob may be a painboy... + X Points

That means you already have purchased a Nob, and add the point on afterwards.

This obviously shows everyone how weak your argument is. I upgrade in that order, as RAW states. I have broken no rules, therefore it is allowed. Please find the rule that disallows me from doing this.

Malecus wrote:Extrapolating on the first reading, I suppose it follows that the Waaaghh! banner doesn't function for the Painboy either, since he's apparently not a Nob.

Actually, a Waaagh! banner affects the entire the mob, so that's neither here nor there.

(Of course, the painboy couldn't be equipped with a Waaagh! Banner if he wasn't a nob.)

Gwar! wrote:If I have 10 Apples, and I am told "One apple may be an Orange", do I still have 10 Apples? No. A painboy is not a Nob. I answered in the first Reply. The rest of this thread is simple trolling because I answered a Certain way

I have 10 computers. 9 are regular dells, 1 is an alienware. Theyre all computers, and all have the same graphics cards, monitors, etc. upgrades. Please do not use stupid analogies.

Gwar! wrote:If I have 10 Apples, and I am told "One apple may be an Orange", do I still have 10 Apples? No. A painboy is not a Nob.

Your analogy is useless. It's only a valid comparison if you work under the assumption that you're right, which means it's incapable of proving that you are right.

I answered in the first Reply. The rest of this thread is simple trolling because I answered a Certain way

The world doesn't revolve around you, Gwar.

Night Lords wrote:

Gwar! wrote:If I have 10 Apples, and I am told "One apple may be an Orange", do I still have 10 Apples? No. A painboy is not a Nob. I answered in the first Reply. The rest of this thread is simple trolling because I answered a Certain way

I have 10 computers. 9 are regular dells, 1 is an alienware. Theyre all computers, and all have the same graphics cards, monitors, etc. upgrades. Please do not use stupid analogies.

Your analogy is the same as saying "I have 10 Orks, 9 are nobz, 1 is a Painboy. They are all Orks".

Thanks for proving me right

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:

Gwar! wrote:If I have 10 Apples, and I am told "One apple may be an Orange", do I still have 10 Apples? No. A painboy is not a Nob. I answered in the first Reply. The rest of this thread is simple trolling because I answered a Certain way

I have 10 computers. 9 are regular dells, 1 is an alienware. Theyre all computers, and all have the same graphics cards, monitors, etc. upgrades. Please do not use stupid analogies.

Your analogy is the same as saying "I have 10 Orks, 9 are nobz, 1 is a Painboy. They are all Orks".

Thanks for proving me right

Haha! I guess this just sums up that you know what Ive said is right. You are always the first person to tell people to stop comparing things to fluff and other comparisons, and to read whats on paper, yet you stray from these facts. I guess twisting an analogy to a completely different situation makes your imaginary rules right in the 40k world. Ive got to try that the next time I play.

I've been given 10 apples. One of the ten may be an orange. We don't have a fething clue though. Just try eating them all and find out, eh?

I've been given this terribly worded scenario. The second sentence doesn't translate here, it is just a recap. We have no idea how to sort out this scenario. Just keep playing at GTs and other important stuff where GW is watching and bring it up to the judges. Once you have your answer, please, share it with us. Although the word of a GT judge doesn't really mean anything, it'll bring a lot of people closure.

Now I really am leaving.

Night Lords wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:Let me make this clear for you: I have given a process of upgrading my Nob.

Lollerwaffle.

You do not Upgrade Nobs to painboys, they are Painboys Instead of Nobs.

Please, RTFM before posting please.

Please explain where in my process I broke the rules. Using either the 40k rulebook or Ork Codex, show me where it says I lose my already upgraded gear, the seperate painboy wargear entry, or where I can't upgrade in order.

Thanks.

Your "process" is wrong which then leads you along a merry path of mistakes that makes you think a Painboy is a Nob and therefore gets to use 'Eavy amor.

10 Nobs
"One Nob may be a Painboy"
9 Nobs and 1 Painboy, per his entry, not the Nob whose spot he is taking since there is no specifc entry in the Ork codex for a "Nob Painboy" or "Painboy Nob"

Your 10th Nob in 'Eavy armor is deciding to sit this one out and a Painboy (specific entry in the Ork codex) is joining the unit instead. He has his own profile and his own entry in the codex as opposed to your idea of creating a new entry titled "Nob Painboy".

Guys you can go back and forth with this new discovery of topic to argue about " apple and oranges" its still not going to change the stalemate of speculations .

Inb4 beagle vs shephards , persian vs tabby , raccoon vs tanuki ,

Brother Ramses wrote:
Your "process" is wrong which then leads you along a merry path of mistakes that makes you think a Painboy is a Nob and therefore gets to use 'Eavy amor.

10 Nobs
"One Nob may be a Painboy"
9 Nobs and 1 Painboy, per his entry, not the Nob whose spot he is taking since there is no specifc entry in the Ork codex for a "Nob Painboy" or "Painboy Nob"

Your 10th Nob in 'Eavy armor is deciding to sit this one out and a Painboy (specific entry in the Ork codex) is joining the unit instead. He has his own profile and his own entry in the codex as opposed to your idea of creating a new entry titled "Nob Painboy".

Uhh, we just confirmed there is indeed a process, when you have to buy a Nob, and THEN buy a painboy for +X points. What happens inbetween buying the Nob and the Painboy is not mentioned, except that the Painboy replaces his Slugga & Choppa, and ONLY those two items (Not ALL wargear ala Chaos Lord), for Dok's Tools and Syringe. RAW, I get to keep all upgrades.

Night Lords wrote:

Brother Ramses wrote:
Your "process" is wrong which then leads you along a merry path of mistakes that makes you think a Painboy is a Nob and therefore gets to use 'Eavy amor.

10 Nobs
"One Nob may be a Painboy"
9 Nobs and 1 Painboy, per his entry, not the Nob whose spot he is taking since there is no specifc entry in the Ork codex for a "Nob Painboy" or "Painboy Nob"

Your 10th Nob in 'Eavy armor is deciding to sit this one out and a Painboy (specific entry in the Ork codex) is joining the unit instead. He has his own profile and his own entry in the codex as opposed to your idea of creating a new entry titled "Nob Painboy".

Uhh, we just confirmed there is indeed a process, when you have to buy a Nob, and THEN buy a painboy for +X points. What happens inbetween buying the Nob and the Painboy is not mentioned, except that the Painboy replaces his Slugga & Choppa, and ONLY those two items (Not ALL wargear ala Chaos Lord), for Dok's Tools and Syringe. RAW, I get to keep all upgrades.

That works on you assuming you are correct, which you are not.

Gwar! wrote:That works on you assuming you are correct, which you are not.

By all means, please give me a book and Pg# telling me Im wrong. I believe this is the 5th time ive asked you.

Night Lords wrote:

Gwar! wrote:That works on you assuming you are correct, which you are not.

By all means, please give me a book and Pg# telling me Im wrong. I believe this is the 5th time ive asked you.

It sort of goes both ways , thats why all this additional argument is pointless. Its all how you interpret the mess Games Workshop made

LunaHound wrote:

Night Lords wrote:

Gwar! wrote:That works on you assuming you are correct, which you are not.

By all means, please give me a book and Pg# telling me Im wrong. I believe this is the 5th time ive asked you.

It sort of goes both ways , thats why all this additional argument is pointless. Its all how you interpret the mess Games Workshop made

It does not go both ways. There is clearly a process. I purchased a Nob, and then I make him a painboy for extra points. Every other unit that has a wargear or model change prevents you from doing this by either A) Telling you ALL wargear is traded in (like a Chaos Lord), or B) Has a seperate Wargear entry listed (like Lootas, Burnas, Big Gunz, Gretchin).

Yeah, you bought as nob, then became a painboy, so is no longer a nob, so cannot have nob only wargear.

Night Lords wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Night Lords wrote:

Gwar! wrote:That works on you assuming you are correct, which you are not.

By all means, please give me a book and Pg# telling me Im wrong. I believe this is the 5th time ive asked you.

It sort of goes both ways , thats why all this additional argument is pointless. Its all how you interpret the mess Games Workshop made

It does not go both ways. There is clearly a process. I purchased a Nob, and then I make him a painboy for extra points. Every other unit that has a wargear or model change prevents you from doing this by either A) Telling you ALL wargear is traded in (like a Chaos Lord), or B) Has a seperate Wargear entry listed (like Lootas, Burnas, Big Gunz, Gretchin).

How do you explain flash gits pain boys? ( see pic from earlier )

Gwar! wrote:Yeah, you bought as nob, then became a painboy, so is no longer a nob, so cannot have nob only wargear.

No, it cannot keep its S&C, as written.

Give me a quote where a the painboy in question is no longer a nob. Ha you can't. Raw, a painboy can have evay armor, case closed.

orkcommander wrote:Give me a quote where a the painboy in question is no longer a nob. Ha you can't. Raw, a painboy can have evay armor, case closed.

Explain what this is then? are you telling me there are 2 different pain boys?

orkcommander wrote:Give me a quote where a the painboy in question is no longer a nob. Ha you can't. Raw, a painboy can have evay armor, case closed.

Give me a quote where it says I cant burn your minis with napalm.

It has to say he stays a nob, especially since he gets a whole new profile, and is therefore not a nob.

LunaHound wrote:How do you explain flash gits pain boys? ( see pic from earlier )

orkcommander wrote:It says a Nob may be a painboy, not replaced by a painboy. The nob in question wants to better himself, goes to school and gets his degree That degree gives him the ability to practice medicine. He's still a nob but he now has the title of painboy.

Now if a regular boy goes to school and gets his degree to become a painboy that's just fine for him. He just gets stuck with the flash gitz.

The mystery of the universe is solved.

Like I said earlier.

orkcommander wrote:

LunaHound wrote:How do you explain flash gits pain boys? ( see pic from earlier )

orkcommander wrote:It says a Nob may be a painboy, not replaced by a painboy. The nob in question wants to better himself, goes to school and gets his degree That degree gives him the ability to practice medicine. He's still a nob but he now has the title of painboy.

Now if a regular boy goes to school and gets his degree to become a painboy that's just fine for him. He just gets stuck with the flash gitz.

The mystery of the universe is solved.

Like I said earlier.

Forgive my dumbness , but how does that explain the specific Pain boys losing the heavy armor , while you say the one in Nob unit doesnt?

orkcommander wrote:It says a Nob may be a painboy, not replaced by a painboy. The nob in question wants to better himself, goes to school and gets his degree That degree gives him the ability to practice medicine. He's still a nob but he now has the title of painboy.

The second quote is garbage. I want to see a damn Ork in a cap and gown with a fething diploma for that to make sense.


edited for clarity.

Gwar! wrote:Give me a quote where it says I cant burn your minis with napalm.

I don't take kindly to personal threats I say "you can't" now just try.

orkcommander wrote:

Gwar! wrote:Give me a quote where it says I cant burn your minis with napalm.

I don't take kindly to personal threats I say "you can't" now just try.

"it doesn't say you can't" is not how the rules work, which was my point all along. It has to say he remains a Nob, otherwise he does not.

So then when a warlock becomes a spiritseer is he no longer a warlock and loses his powers and wargear?

Falconlance wrote:So then when a warlock becomes a spiritseer is he no longer a warlock and loses his powers and wargear?

No, because Warlocks can be "Upgrade[d] to Spiritseer", so is both a Warlock and a Spiritseer while in Nobs "One Nob May be a Painboy".

Also, Spiritseers do not have separate Profiles and wargear options, painboys do.

This has been the funniest thing I've ever seen. I thought the debate had ended by the end of the first page, but here it is, 11 pages later! Next time I play orks I'll have a lot to work with. Thanks to everyone for putting out their views.

ok. let's assume gwar and his groupies are right. Then painboys cant have 'eavy armor because they're not nobs. But Wait! They CAN have bikes, even though bikes are also Nob equipment.
in other words: it doesn't say they can, so they can't

or, more simply: Gwar = EPIC FAIL

Now lets take a look at the other side of this mess. Painboys can have 'eavy armor AND bikes because they are still nobs, they just traded their weapons for a syringe and some doc's tools.

IMHO, this is the better opinion, for 2 reasons. First, it doesn't rely on roundabout logic (read: bs) to prove it's correct. Second, IT MAKES SENSE!!!

rant over.

Grunt_For_Christ wrote:This has been the funniest thing I've ever seen. I thought the debate had ended by the end of the first page, but here it is, 11 pages later! Next time I play orks I'll have a lot to work with. Thanks to everyone for putting out their views.

It ended on the first reply


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64mas wrote:ok. let's assume gwar and his groupies are right. Then painboys cant have 'eavy armor because they're not nobs. But Wait! They CAN have bikes, even though bikes are also Nob equipment.
in other words: it doesn't say they can, so they can't

or, more simply: Gwar = EPIC FAIL

Now lets take a look at the other side of this mess. Painboys can have 'eavy armor AND bikes because they are still nobs, they just traded their weapons for a syringe and some doc's tools.

IMHO, this is the better opinion, for 2 reasons. First, it doesn't rely on roundabout logic (read: bs) to prove it's correct. Second, IT MAKES SENSE!!!

rant over.

OMFG! Read the fething thread. They can have bikes because THE WHOLE UNIT MAY HAVE BIKES. They cannot have Armour because ONLY NOBS MAY HAVE IT.

Gwar! wrote:

Falconlance wrote:So then when a warlock becomes a spiritseer is he no longer a warlock and loses his powers and wargear?

No, because Warlocks can be "Upgrade[d] to Spiritseer", so is both a Warlock and a Spiritseer while in Nobs "One Nob May be a Painboy".

Gwar, I take it you like contradicting yourself?

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:

Wrong wrong wrong.

I buy 10 Chaos Marines for 15 points each, and its +15 more for an [upgrade to] aspiring champion. So he was a marine.

Yeah, he WAS a marine, the same way the Painboy WAS a Nob, but is not anymore.

So which way is it? (not that it even matters, you still havent even explained why I cant upgrade and then convert to a painboy)


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64mas wrote:
. First, it doesn't rely on roundabout logic (read: bs) to prove it's correct.

rant over.

Gwar! wrote:OMFG! Read the fething thread. They can have bikes because THE WHOLE UNIT MAY HAVE BIKES. They cannot have Armour because ONLY NOBS MAY HAVE IT.

Maybe you missed that part of his quote.

Gwar, it says that the entire mob may be upgraded to bikers, or the entire mob may be given stikkbombs, because these things won't work if only a few models have them. there are no rules for dealing with half of a squad using grenades, so you can't give only half the squad grenades. and bikes would be useless if only half the mob used them, because the mob moves at the speed of the slowest member. thus, mobs are only allowed to be NOB bikers if they all take bikes. the only reason you are clinging to these flimsy arguments is that you cant handle it when someone proves you wrong

rant over

Going by Gwar’s groupies hypocritical logic of mystery, if a warboss takes nobz as a troop choice and everyone except the painboy dies that painboy can’t capture an objective because he is no longer a nob.


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64mas wrote:Gwar, it says that the entire mob may be upgraded to bikers, or the entire mob may be given stikkbombs, because these things won't work if only a few models have them. there are no rules for dealing with half of a squad using grenades, so you can't give only half the squad grenades. and bikes would be useless if only half the mob used them, because the mob moves at the speed of the slowest member. thus, mobs are only allowed to be NOB bikers if they all take bikes. the only reason you are clinging to these flimsy arguments is that you cant handle it when someone proves you wrong

rant over

I can attach a warboss on a bike to a unit on foot and it still works.

The entire mob is regarded as a troop selection. You're grasping at straws.

MasticatorDeelux wrote:The entire mob is regarded as a troop selection. You're grasping at straws.

And they know it. This whole thread is just one huge Anti Gwar thread, the 3rd one in a week, yet i don't see the people responsible disciplined, while i get 3 week bans for agreeing with people.

-Shrug-

Gwar: Please tell me where in the rule book or Ork codex it says I cannot upgrade a Nob first, and then turn him into a painboy losing only a S&C as written.

Otherwise, I can take Eavy armour, and all these discussions about Bikes, Mobs, Profiles, etc. is moot.

Thanks.

Gwar! wrote:And they know it. This whole thread is just one huge Anti Gwar thread, the 3rd one in a week, yet i don't see the people responsible disciplined, while i get 3 week bans for agreeing with people.

Why so persecution complex?

Night Lords wrote:Gwar: Please tell me where in the rule book or Ork codex it says I cannot upgrade a Nob first, and then turn him into a painboy losing only a S&C as written.

Otherwise, I can take Eavy armour, and all these discussions about Bikes, Mobs, Profiles, etc. is moot.

Thanks.

The one where you get a new profile so cannot have bought the armour to begin with.

orkcommander wrote:Going by Gwar’s groupies hypocritical logic of mystery, if a warboss takes nobz as a troop choice and everyone except the painboy dies that painboy can’t capture an objective because he is no longer a nob.


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64mas wrote:Gwar, it says that the entire mob may be upgraded to bikers, or the entire mob may be given stikkbombs, because these things won't work if only a few models have them. there are no rules for dealing with half of a squad using grenades, so you can't give only half the squad grenades. and bikes would be useless if only half the mob used them, because the mob moves at the speed of the slowest member. thus, mobs are only allowed to be NOB bikers if they all take bikes. the only reason you are clinging to these flimsy arguments is that you cant handle it when someone proves you wrong

rant over

I can attach a warboss on a bike to a unit on foot and it still works.

yes but he's an independent character and can join/leave squads. nobs are stuck in their mob and can't just leave. sry if I'm misunderstanding your post though.

You guys need to agree to disagree. No one here is going to change the others mind. Everyone will play the damn rule how they view it.

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:Gwar: Please tell me where in the rule book or Ork codex it says I cannot upgrade a Nob first, and then turn him into a painboy losing only a S&C as written.

Otherwise, I can take Eavy armour, and all these discussions about Bikes, Mobs, Profiles, etc. is moot.

Thanks.

The one where you get a new profile so cannot have bought the armour to begin with.

Well that was general explanation. Where does it say that line exactly? Ive got my codex open now waiting for your reply.

Thanks

orkcommander wrote:Going by Gwar’s groupies hypocritical logic of mystery, if a warboss takes nobz as a troop choice and everyone except the painboy dies that painboy can’t capture an objective because he is no longer a nob.

Please , do not turn this into a group vs mob situation . Its belittling everyone's arguments if you put it like that.

Where does it say I can't go and burn your models with napalm in the rulebook? I've got my rulebook open now waiting your reply.

Thanks.

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:Gwar: Please tell me where in the rule book or Ork codex it says I cannot upgrade a Nob first, and then turn him into a painboy losing only a S&C as written.

Otherwise, I can take Eavy armour, and all these discussions about Bikes, Mobs, Profiles, etc. is moot.

Thanks.

The one where you get a new profile so cannot have bought the armour to begin with.

the painboy may have a new profile, but he can still buy the stuff BEFORE he becomes a painboy. That way he gets to keep everything but the s/c and gets the tools and syringe.

btw, your logic still = EPIC FAIL, bs, etc...

Gwar! wrote:Where does it say I can't go and burn your models with napalm in the rulebook? I've got my rulebook open now waiting your reply.

Thanks.

There are no rules in the 40k rulebook stating this. Since there is no rulebook for life, I guess you very well could if you wanted to. However, Im asking for the page number where you read that last passage. Can you give it to me please?

Thanks.

My point is that the bike still works. Maybe not with all of the bells and whistles but it still has benefits.

the rule of fun


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No napalm for you!

Gas and styrofoam work well enough, I find.

You're not helping...

it does work well though, just don't tell my local police about me

Hey man, adapt and overcome. USMC.

is this thread finally dead?

please say no please say no please say no

Quick +1

Can't be over. We were practicing this great song and dance...

ok...

come on thread, don't die! I just got here!

Dont worry, it wont die, because Gwar still has to tell me where it says you lose all your upgraded gear...and since he's always right, it has to be there somewhere.

Night Lords wrote:Dont worry, it wont die, because Gwar still has to tell me where it says you lose all your upgraded gear...and since he's always right, it has to be there somewhere.

Why would 1 pain boy lose the gear while your specific pain boy wont?

Seriously , why?

Especially when its already at a stalemate after very first reply.

Yay for arguments!!

Yeah, nobody has countered the Flash Gitz arguement yet. Do I need to start calling people out to get them to pay attention to it? A jest! Don't ban me!

(Yeah, I'm not ever actually going to leave at this point.)

Well, the flashgit painboy specifically loses eavy armor as the prerequisite for getting dok's tools.

The nob painboy doesn't.

delet

Orkeosaurus wrote:Well, the flashgit painboy specifically loses eavy armor as the prerequisite for getting dok's tools.

The nob painboy doesn't.

So you admit that a Painboy is not a nob, because if he is, why are there painboys in Flash Git squads?

Orkeosaurus wrote:Well, the flashgit painboy specifically loses eavy armor as the prerequisite for getting dok's tools.

The nob painboy doesn't.

But both Painboyz are the same. Same name, same profile, same gear. Why would they be any different?

Doesn't a flash git have the same profile as a nob? Is a flash git a nob?

Toxxic wrote:Doesn't a flash git have the same profile as a nob? Is a flash git a nob?

So? Chaos Space Marines and Space Marines have the Same Profile. Assault Terminators and Terminators have the same profile. Different names = Different Profiles.

Toxxic wrote:Doesn't a flash git have the same profile as a nob? Is a flash git a nob?

Considering they field different weapons, i would say they are too different. It would be silly to swap their war gears around with each other ( which im sure you'll all agree to this much )

thus If the theory of pain boy is still a nob , and pain boy is a was a nob, thats saying Nob and Flash Gits can use each other's war gear.

Can they? they cant . This further enforces that pain boy is a pain boy. They are not a nob , and they are not flash gits .
Thus they all lose their heavy armor , unless you want to tell me there are 2 types of pain boys.

The painboy made from a flashgit is still a flashgit, not that it matters for anything.

The painboy made from a nob is still a nob.

This is because in neither case it is stated that they cease to be one.


Also this has nothing to do with what was being discussed, which was actually the rules concerning wargear being lost or retained during upgrades.

so an assault terminator is not a terminator???

Gwar, Ive still got my book open buddy, Ive been reading and I cant find that page you were talking about - to refresh your memory its the one that states NOB painboys [not flash gitz, we are not talking about those] lose their upgraded inventory.

Looking forward to hearing from you, thanks.

Oh, I'm of the opinion that a nob painboy is a nob that happens to be a painboy by trade. That's how we play it around here anyways...

LunaHound wrote:
Thus they all lose their heavy armor , unless you want to tell me there are 2 types of pain boys.

No, a FlashGitz painboy loses his heavy armour, please tell me where a Nob painboy does. All it says is he replaces his S&C. Maybe you can help me out because Gwar seems to be having trouble finding that passage again.

Orkeosaurus wrote:The painboy made from a flashgit is still a flashgit, not that it matters for anything.

The painboy made from a nob is still a nob.

This is because in neither case it is stated that they cease to be one.


Also this has nothing to do with what was being discussed, which was actually the rules concerning wargear being lost or retained during upgrades.

Thats what im disagreeing with. They are pain boys both inside a Nob / Flash Gits squad.

Its true its not clearly written it ceased to be one , yet why would pain boy specifically lose their heavy armor?

Night Lords wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Thus they all lose their heavy armor , unless you want to tell me there are 2 types of pain boys.

No, a FlashGitz painboy loses his heavy armour, please tell me where a Nob painboy does. All it says is he replaces his S&C. Maybe you can help me out because Gwar seems to be having trouble finding that passage again.

Thats saying there are more than 1 type of Pain boy.

Night Lords wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Thus they all lose their heavy armor , unless you want to tell me there are 2 types of pain boys.

No, a FlashGitz painboy loses his heavy armour, please tell me where a Nob painboy does. All it says is he replaces his S&C. Maybe you can help me out because Gwar seems to be having trouble finding that passage again.

Did it ever cross your mind the reason why it says for the flashgitz one to lose it but not the nob one is that Phil Kelly wrote it so that Nob painboys cant buy armour?

Or maybe Phil Kelley meant for painboys to take eavy armor? Way to edit the moron remark!

Toxxic wrote:Or maybe Phil Kelley meant for painboys to take eavy armor?

Then why does the Painboy from a Flash Gitz squad lose his?

Maybe that guy loses his. He IS after all a different profile.

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:

LunaHound wrote:
Thus they all lose their heavy armor , unless you want to tell me there are 2 types of pain boys.

No, a FlashGitz painboy loses his heavy armour, please tell me where a Nob painboy does. All it says is he replaces his S&C. Maybe you can help me out because Gwar seems to be having trouble finding that passage again.

Did it ever cross your mind the reason why it says for the flashgitz one to lose it but not the nob one is that Phil Kelly wrote it so that Nob painboys cant buy armour?

What does this have to do with anything? Im asking where it says I lose my heavy armour, since the topic is "Painboy with heavy armour".

Night Lords wrote:That does this have to do with anything? Im asking where it says I lose my heavy armour, since the topic is "Painboy with heavy armour".

What we are saying, is that in the flash gitz entry, the painboy Specifically loses his Evy Armour. Why would the Flash Gitz one lose it, but the Nob one be able to take it?

Oh wow! it's because the Nob one CANNOT TAKE NOB WARGEAR!

What a shocker!

Toxxic wrote:Maybe that guy loses his. He IS after all a different profile.

Please tell me where in the Ork Codex that shows two different Painboy profiles.

Has anyone yet discounted how this is different from a Space Marine Captain upgrading to Terminator armour as the fact is if a Captain buys a combi flamer, and then upgrades to terminator armour, he'd lose the combi flamer, even though it isnt explicitely stated.


If anyone can highlight how this is sufficiently different to that scenario then I'll consider that the painboy can take Heavy Armour

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:That does this have to do with anything? Im asking where it says I lose my heavy armour, since the topic is "Painboy with heavy armour".

What we are saying, is that in the flash gitz entry, the painboy Specifically loses his Evy Armour. Why would the Flash Gitz one lose it, but the Nob one be able to take it?

Oh wow! it's because the Nob one CANNOT TAKE NOB WARGEAR!

What a shocker!

Where does it say this? You are assuming. I also assume that if a painboy is not a Nob, then he cannot take a Bike because only Nob Bikers can, and I assume that the "whole mob" wording is there on Bikes and Nades because you cant split them within a unit. But like you said, were not assuming things, its about RAW. So I ask you again, stop beating around the bush and tell me where a rule states I cant do this. Ive still got my boyz book open waiting to see.

It doesn't. It's a different unit entry. Much like a Nob and a flashgit have the same profile, yet are two entirely different units.

Toxxic wrote:It doesn't. It's a different unit entry. Much like a Nob and a flashgit have the same profile, yet are two entirely different units.

Yet a Painboy is a Painboy no matter what squad he is in.

Also , lets look at Cybork bodies in both pain boy's paragraph. Doesnt that just scream out the 5+ inv choice is tailored just for them? rather than the 4+ normal sv?

Mad Doc Grotsnik , also cybork , no heavy armor.

That is true. But one can take 'eavy armor and one can't.

Cybork body is the better upgrade, actually. Eavy armor is sort of made obsolete by the time a painboy is actually purchased.

(Also, MDG has a 4+ armor save. Which is that of 'eavy armor.)

combo wrote:Has anyone yet discounted how this is different from a Space Marine Captain upgrading to Terminator armour as the fact is if a Captain buys a combi flamer, and then upgrades to terminator armour, he'd lose the combi flamer, even though it isnt explicitely stated.


If anyone can highlight how this is sufficiently different to that scenario then I'll consider that the painboy can take Heavy Armour

Because in order to upgrade to terminator armour, you need to:

"Replace Power Armour, Bolt Pistol, Chainsword, Frag and Krak Grenades for Terminator armour with stormbolter"

In order to get a combi flamer, you need to replace the bolt pistol. Without the bolt pistol, you cannot replace it for a stormbolter.

Night Lords wrote:
Where does it say this? You are assuming. I also assume that if a painboy is not a Nob, then he cannot take a Bike because only Nob Bikers can, and I assume that the "whole mob" wording is there on Bikes and Nades because you cant split them within a unit. But like you said, were not assuming things, its about RAW. So I ask you again, stop beating around the bush and tell me where a rule states I cant do this. Ive still got my boyz book open waiting to see.

No , bike is a unit upgrade . Just like assault marine sergent (with a whole squad of jump pack upgrade) cant use flamer.

LunaHound wrote:

Night Lords wrote:
Where does it say this? You are assuming. I also assume that if a painboy is not a Nob, then he cannot take a Bike because only Nob Bikers can, and I assume that the "whole mob" wording is there on Bikes and Nades because you cant split them within a unit. But like you said, were not assuming things, its about RAW. So I ask you again, stop beating around the bush and tell me where a rule states I cant do this. Ive still got my boyz book open waiting to see.

No , bike is a unit upgrade . Just like assault marine sergent (with a whole squad of jump pack upgrade) cant use flamer.

You see, I dont care about this argument, because if you want to argue RAW and not speculation, Painboys can take Heavy armour as I have proven. If you want to argue speculation, I would say that the upgrade only uses that wording because the entire unit has to take it or nobody does, otherwise it doesnt work with the 40k rules. Otherwise it would also say "Nobs may take a bike".

This is speculation, carrying just as much weight as the flash gitz. You either follow RaW or you follow RaI.

Well, I'm taking my eavy armor equipped painboy to the LGS for a game against one of my buds. I'll check back later. Keep it up!

Night Lords wrote:Painboys can take Heavy armour as I have proven.

Stop saying that. You have proven nothing.

Toxxic wrote:Well, I'm taking my eavy armor equipped painboy to the LGS for a game against one of my buds. I'll check back later. Keep it up!

This guys just baiting people, just ignore him and let him think he's won, it'll be quicker whilst people with a clue discuss this situation.


I mean night lords has raised some interesting arguements, and has changed me from being certain he couldn't to not sure. However this guy is not doing much to persuede me, he's just delibrately trying to piss people off.

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:Painboys can take Heavy armour as I have proven.

Stop saying that. You have proven nothing.

Hey bud, youre still here and quoting! If youre going to say I havnt proven it, give me the page number stating I cant upgrade a Nob first and then turn him into a painboy without losing gear, as Id like to know.

The SM, CSM, and other entries in the Ork codex all have cases that would prevent me from doing this - The nob painboy, however, does not. Unless you can give me the page # ofcourse, which would be great.

Thanks.

Night Lords wrote:
Painboys can take Heavy armour as I have proven.

Im not trying to be rude but ... proclaiming yourself to be right over and over again , hundreds, thousands , millions of times will not make it true in eye of others.
However becareful , because that can very well brainwash yourself to believe otherwise.

Night Lords wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:Painboys can take Heavy armour as I have proven.

Stop saying that. You have proven nothing.

Hey bud, youre still here and quoting! If youre going to say I havnt proven it, give me the page number stating I cant upgrade a Nob first and then turn him into a painboy without losing gear, as Id like to know.

The SM, CSM, and other entries in the Ork codex all have cases that would prevent me from doing this - The nob painboy, however, does not. Unless you can give me the page # ofcourse, which would be great.

Thanks.

Again, you are not listening. You have to prove you CAN. The mantra "It doesn't say I can't" does not fly. You know it, but are just being an utter troll.

LunaHound wrote:

Night Lords wrote:
Painboys can take Heavy armour as I have proven.

Im not trying to be rude but ... proclaiming yourself to be right over and over again , hundreds, thousands , millions of times will not make it true in eye of others.
However becareful , because that can very well brainwash yourself to believe otherwise.

If you can tell me how Im wrong, you can save Gwar the trouble of making that post.

Night Lords wrote:If you can tell me how Im wrong, you can save Gwar the trouble of making that post.

I already told you how you are wrong, about 8 times.

This thread continues to spark user alerts for personal attacks.

Remember to address the argument not the arguer. Mod warnings will be sent where appropriate.

I am am locking the thread.

Night Lords wrote:

LunaHound wrote:

Night Lords wrote:
Painboys can take Heavy armour as I have proven.

Im not trying to be rude but ... proclaiming yourself to be right over and over again , hundreds, thousands , millions of times will not make it true in eye of others.
However becareful , because that can very well brainwash yourself to believe otherwise.

If you can tell me how Im wrong, you can save Gwar the trouble of making that post.

Ppl have been trying for .... i think 11 pages now.
Will you actually take ANYTHING people say other then GW's official words?

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:

Gwar! wrote:

Night Lords wrote:Painboys can take Heavy armour as I have proven.

Stop saying that. You have proven nothing.

Hey bud, youre still here and quoting! If youre going to say I havnt proven it, give me the page number stating I cant upgrade a Nob first and then turn him into a painboy without losing gear, as Id like to know.

The SM, CSM, and other entries in the Ork codex all have cases that would prevent me from doing this - The nob painboy, however, does not. Unless you can give me the page # ofcourse, which would be great.

Thanks.

Again, you are not listening. You have to prove you CAN. The mantra "It doesn't say I can't" does not fly. You know it, but are just being an utter troll.

Im following the rules as written. I purchase 10 nobs. I upgrade all of them to heavy armour. Wait, I want a painboy. "One Nob may be a painboy" -> "Painboy replaces S&C for DT and S". Ok, I still have heavy armour. Very simple.