Grimhowl wrote:as a Space Wolf player I'm not thrilled about a character riding a giant wolf. even if you set aside how silly it is to ride a wolf if you are anything larger than a goblin, think about GW's history of actual wolf models...

I'm hoping for something like the Kislev bear.

Regarding the Wolf Rider rumor...I have two comments.

1) To those concerned about the aesthetic of a Wolf riding special character...have you seen the Warhammer 40,000 universe?

2) It really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really depends on the model. If the model is great, then who cares? If the model isn't, then don't use the unit.

Pretty simple.

Is it me or does the posted preview model Look like one of those Old school Kung fu fighters in power armor? The ones with the massive horse hair wig/sideburns.

Hey! I've seen that movie!

wyomingfox wrote:BDJV,
The Preditor Varient rumor was debunked, right? Please, p-l-e-a-s-e tell me it is!

Yes, it was. So Wolves only get one new Vehicle and it's a Raider varient.

Is the new Raider confirmed?
Also anything on its capacity? Sounds interesting but if its got a small load (ie 10) I think I'll stick to my old crusader.
Also. The rumours mention Runic Blades counting as Relic Blades. IIRC Rune weapons are our version of force weapons? Maybe a Frost blade will be useable 1 or 2 handed like the old EC's black blade? 1=S5+1A 2=S6+0A?
Also, any news on fiddly wargear? WTN, WTT, Wolf Pelt, etc...?

I'm actually excited! I love new codices because it means new opponents and new armies to beat/beat my face in! Also, new ways to tempt me away from my current army plans. And most importantly... new bits for the bitz box!

If it's in the first post it's a valid current rumor, forget the rumors that came before these.

Onnotangu wrote:Is it me or does the posted preview model Look like one of those Old school Kung fu fighters in power armor? The ones with the massive horse hair wig/sideburns.

I was about to post that this was Toad fighting Scorpion from the Five Deadly Venoms, but its on the pic sig, so I don't look as wise now with my chop socky knowledge. The actor who played Lizard was a bad guy in the James Bond flick Tomorrow Never Dies.

I will say that the actor playing Toad ( the guy in brown) was thought to be the next Bruce Lee, but he died young from a heart attack, I believe.

This movie was a fun one.....Toad also played the villain in another good movie, the Kid with the Golden Arm.

I'm trying to find an old David Chiang flick where he plays a thief who unites with an acrobat, a locksmith and a rich drunk to fight off bandits in a village, but it seems to have disappeared.

Hmmmmm Kung Fu Marines with that head...Or an Army of Cathay....

Onnotangu wrote:Is it me or does the posted preview model Look like one of those Old school Kung fu fighters in power armor? The ones with the massive horse hair wig/sideburns.

*Pic saved . Where ever that Gray Hunter pic shows up , and this will follow!

I heard the wolf rider unit is actually going to be a unit of Wulfen Wulfen Riders. Like wulfen are like werewolves right? So when they wolf-out they turn into these giant wolves and then other wulfen can ride them into battle. But then halfway through the battle the wulfen rider wolfs-out and the giant wolf turns back into human form and - get this - they switch! Kinda like Junkions.

Only without bad TV references and Eric Idle.

Here's a better version of the first pic we saw.

If we get legs that actually make marines stand up straighter, well, then it will be a win in my book...

That Blood Claw chest piece is pretty sweet as well. That'll be handy for some conversions. As will the mohawk.

Alpharius wrote:If we get legs that actually make marines stand up straighter, well, then it will be a win in my book...

QFT

New info from Bolter and Chainsword.

Marek Grimfang on B&C wrote:
Probably the last info I will ever get from GW Canada.

I can't really explain too much on "Sagas" and the name they have chosen to call the new marine traits.

The Space Wolf army is themed on movement. Move, Assault, Fire, Move, Assault, Fire, etc. Its not meant to be a static army. It's also an army to be filled with lots of Troop Choices.

13th Company are not officially dead but are special choices based on your army. This Im not clear on whether they are a "Legion of the Damned" choice, or something based on the HQ you purchase.

Pack Leaders are now unit upgrades and are not purchased from Elites. This Im not 100% on either.

Grey Hunters are strongly rumored to be able to take a second special weapon in their squads. That is something that I don't understand why Salamander's don't have anymore.

Long Fangs "May" be able to have some sort of a special rule where they can move and fire, but not assault.

Blood Claws have been re-worked to level with 5th Edition in respect to "Bezerk Charge." What it is Im not sure.

No doubt there is more, but not much is being leaked. Im outta here at the end of the month and no one at my level really knows anything anymore.

Deadshane1 wrote:I hear there is a Space Shark Codex coming out soon too! GUESS WHAT.....!

Will there be any jumping?

That's some good info BDJV =] nice work

Looks like another good codex to come out of GW, making the SM traits playable has actually been quite effective, with some minor hiccups . . . but generally all is good in the land of Space Marines =]

Oshova wrote:That's some good info BDJV =] nice work

Looks like another good codex to come out of GW, making the SM traits playable has actually been quite effective, with some minor hiccups . . . but generally all is good in the land of Space Marines =]

What's going on here?

Where's the negativity...

I have a feeling...

Typeline wrote:

Oshova wrote:That's some good info BDJV =] nice work

Looks like another good codex to come out of GW, making the SM traits playable has actually been quite effective, with some minor hiccups . . . but generally all is good in the land of Space Marines =]

What's going on here?

Where's the negativity...

I have a feeling...

He's a GW sock puppet, so technically a double trap.

I'm actually very excited to start a plastic based space wolf army.....no more metal figures ftw

I'm just trying to keep myself amused with the vanilla marines until the SW codex is released. Trying to do an assaulty list with little to no success(could be that I'm new to the game). Hopefully, Space Wolves will remedy this vexation of mine...

This is just a rumour I heard from a blackshirt while at a pub in Nottingham, but I heard that when you get 5 of the wolf rider models within 1 inch coherency of each other, they can join together to form devastator!

I heard it was a Space Wolf love fest.

Devastator works too.

I wonder a couple things:

- how much the points will be, now that special stuff pays through the nose, and...

- how much the post-increase dollars will be for the new SW boxes. I'm thinking $25/5 models standard?

Defiler wrote:This is just a rumour I heard from a blackshirt while at a pub in Nottingham, but I heard that when you get 5 of the wolf rider models within 1 inch coherency of each other, they can join together to form devastator!

Except everone knows that you need 6 Constructicons to form Devastator, NOT 5.

And that is why you fail!

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Defiler wrote:This is just a rumour I heard from a blackshirt while at a pub in Nottingham, but I heard that when you get 5 of the wolf rider models within 1 inch coherency of each other, they can join together to form devastator!

Except everone knows that you need 6 Constructicons to form Devastator, NOT 5.

And that is why you fail!

troof! wasnt he the only combiner that did have 6 as opposed to 5?

Well as things currently stand 10 Tactical SM are £20, so I would expect SW to be the same price, as at least GW are consistent with pricing on very similar things.

BDJV wrote:Here's a better version of the first pic we saw.

I like their wolf bitz (bling?), but I am not a fan of either of those heads.

I quite like the head on the right . . . but the one on the left leaves something to be desired . . . which is a shame.

His face looks a little purple. Is his mouth open because he was holding his breath for a really long time?

barlio wrote:His face looks a little purple. Is his mouth open because he was holding his breath for a really long time?

Nah. Logan just didn't pay the Fangs' heating bill...

Ulrik the Slayer better not be nerfed.

I annihilate infantry with his almighty power sword and 4 wolf guard lightning claws.

Oshova wrote:I quite like the head on the right . . . but the one on the left leaves something to be desired . . . which is a shame.

Did everyone just see what Oshova did there???

I'm still of the opinion all SM should be in one codex. What's the reasoning it's not? Fluff?

Oh, you're one of the "founding" chapters? You don't play well with others, hence we don't share new technology.

Geesh. I hope the Dark Angels blow up Mars.

Alpharius wrote:

Oshova wrote:I quite like the head on the right . . . but the one on the left leaves something to be desired . . . which is a shame.

Did everyone just see what Oshova did there???

Sorry, I blinked.

Damn.

Mr. Warhorse47 from B & C grabbed som3 snaps of the wolf models from a different angle.

linky

I see. The one on the left isn't screaming. However, neither of them are bald.

Thank god they went back to the old style pack markings!

Check out the chainsword that the blood claw is holding. It looks like the chainblade is visible all the way around. The bolt pistol also looks like it has new molding like the SW bolter that came on the old sprue. What would suck would be these being more conversions and not the actual pieces you can get off the new sprue. However I do not think that is the case. The saving for October is now officially under way. Let the shopping begin.

Just stick 'em all in one book I say. But this would lead to a complicated and possibly annoying codex, if it was to keep the same level of individuality to each chapter. ie. pick a chapter master, this determines other choices throughout the book . . . the book would cost a lot more, be a lot bigger, and would leave a lot of fluff up to Black Library, but at least it would stop the whole book being about Ultramarines . . . =p

Does anybody know if the new models will be available immediately following the codex release? Also, this accessory sprue, any details/pictures of it? Such as how many models it can support?

No one knows how many models it will support. My guess is 5, based upon the Dark Angel one.

And yes, models will be out when the Codex comes out. What models? Again, no one knows. I doubt even GW does.

Those wolf tails hanging from the backpack look cool and all, but the METAL collectors range WG had the same pack. It took three in/outs from the carrying case and one of them snagged on the foam and popped off. The plastic kit guys you might as well cut it off before painting and save the time.

Kaotik wrote:Those wolf tails hanging from the backpack look cool and all, but the METAL collectors range WG had the same pack. It took three in/outs from the carrying case and one of them snagged on the foam and popped off. The plastic kit guys you might as well cut it off before painting and save the time.

Thats why I store my models in plastic cases. They're protected well enough, and playing space wolves with all the pointy accessories, i foresaw that something would go wrong with foam cases. Also, my plastic cases, with a case-carrying case costed around 17 bucks, as opposed to 90 dollars for the GW one, which couldn't hold quite as much models. Plus plastic cases usually have manual dividers so you can fit terminators, bikes and other larger models without gouging out bits of foam to fit them it. Just a tip to fellow Wolves players, especially with all of the extra customization to come with these future models.

the dude with the mohawk totally looks like he has a troll slayer head with the beard shaved off.

the dude with the mohawk totally looks like he has a troll slayer head with the beard shaved off

...well, im greenstuffing it back on now then. seriously, that would look sick as hell.

Overall, I am interested by these 2 new models, but Im curious as to what else these sprues have. You'd figure more would have been leaked by now.

Which sprues ? The general power armoured one or the plastic termies ?

GW is being very closed about things atm, no-one knows anything until 4 weeks before release . . . so basically you've got to wait until September to see any more, unless they release some more pictures in newsletters or WD.

It's hard to tell at the angle of the photos, but it looks like the brass part of the chainsword is in the shape of a wolf's head.

reds8n wrote:Which sprues ? The general power armoured one or the plastic termies ?

Uh? SW are getting Termie sprues?

I believe so yes.

And the power armour box set supposedly has lots of heads and gubbins so you can equip many many normal marines with wolfy stuff. Something daft like 25-30 heads. Most are bare headed, at least wolf helm shaped one and things like eye patches etc on some as well.

Bit like the chaos marauder horsemen I think.

My guess is that the Wolf Guard terminators, if the boxset is released, is much like the Assault Terminator box. It has the body/leg sprue, and then an extra sprue with the different weapons (and probably a wolf chest plate and some other gubbinz). Which, could be a hint, that they don't get the loyalist standard armament of Power Fist and Storm Bolter. Personally, I'm hoping they come with Power Weapon and Storm Bolter, and you can upgrade the Storm Bolter to a combi-weapon, and the Power Weapon to PFist/Wolf Claw/Chainfist ala CSM Termies.

That would be good.

[speculation mode] Remember ages back there was some rumour, later said to be BS, about the wolfs losing the TH and SS combo ? I wonder if it is only that there aren't any of those in the box set-- not least as FW make nice ones of those (.. right ? Or did I dream that ? )-- maybe lots of lightning ... sorry, Space Wolf variant lightning claws as this is one of there themed weapons ( fire for salamanders, claws for wolves) and someone saw/heard this and made 2 + 2 equal 5 ?

[/speculation mode].

I think the TH/SS rumor was because there is no COMBO for selecting the TH/SS, sortof like how our current codex doesnt have a combo for it, you buy each individually...

reds8n wrote:

Bit like the chaos marauder horsemen I think.

I used all marauder heads on my BC since space marines in Viking helmets is deffinate win. I will still end up buying a box each of the new models because they do look good, but not too big a step up on the converted ones I have now. Only marine helms I actually use are the beaks and those have wolf heads painted on them. Stolen idea I know, but none the less cool.

Is there gonna be a new space wolf battle force?

Thelaugher wrote:Is there gonna be a new space wolf battle force?

I can't imagine them not doing one, even if it was only a limited release and then went to direct only

I know I'll be getting a couple

Blatantly going to be a large army box released before the codex . . . like CSM, DA, SM . . . how I got into Dark Angels lol

Everyone gets an army box. Some of them are good - like the 'Nid one - and some of them are useless, like that failed 'Spearhead' experiment.

Do the new Land Raiders have just assault cannons? Or do they have other weapons as well. Thought maybe you guys might know what it most likely would be.

Pretty lucky that this falls right on my birthday. Hopefully by then I'll be done with my Orks!

Does anybody know what the old rules for Bjorn were? I have never seen them. Kinda wondering if they might be similar in the new codex?

H.B.M.C. wrote:Everyone gets an army box. Some of them are good - like the 'Nid one - and some of them are useless, like that failed 'Spearhead' experiment.

I would amend that most of the boxes are useless. I'd like to see more duplication of core units in a box, so that you can build up a block of troops for a lesser cost e.g. Two Tactical Squads for £30 or 20 State Troops for £25 (like they did for Black Orcs and Flagellants very briefly).

The Ravenwing box was very good. You could field the entire unit entry for £50, which was quite a saving.

SW40KMP wrote:Does anybody know what the old rules for Bjorn were? I have never seen them. Kinda wondering if they might be similar in the new codex?

Bascially he was a dread with a Lightning Claw Dreadnought close combat weapon, assault cannon, and heavy flamer. At the begining of the game you roll a D6, this becomes your "pool" you can use points from your pool to reduce the result on the vehicle damage table against him, use 1 to drop a 6 to 5 for instance. once you use all of the pool it is exhausted for that game. It was quite awesome when you rolled a 5 or 6, but quite sucky when you only got a 1.

He was the original "venerable" dreadnought, before any of the other chapters got them, when 3rd edition came around they rolled his rules up into a generic unit.

Either a regular battle force or one of them fancy DA styled battle forces with more upgrade parts than models.

I wonder (but doubt it) if they will include a range of commanders ala regular SM.
I am just secretly hoping for the possibility of a wolfy master of the forge; allowing for the 7 dreadnought army...

mal wrote:I wonder (but doubt it) if they will include a range of commanders ala regular SM.
I am just secretly hoping for the possibility of a wolfy master of the forge; allowing for the 7 dreadnought army...

"Nononononononononononono no

...yes."

Great avatar.

I think it would more be a range ala Dark Angles/ Blood Angel . . . so like 3 or 4 . . .

Look here for something interesting:

http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?showtopic=2729

(And BTW, The Great Crusade is a nice pre-Heresy website!)

Space Wolf Pack?


Ooohhh! Cryptic!!!

H.B.M.C. wrote:Space Wolf Pack?


Ooohhh! Cryptic!!!

The more excited you get about a new release, the more fun Jervis tears out of it.

Slightly clearer photo, sorry if already posted, thanks Alpharius for the link!

I might have to buy that whyt dorf.

will be the first one I purchased since 1998

Funny most of the pics of Space Wolves depicts them with long hair and braided locks...instead, we get epic pony tails for the models. How Sad :(.

That's why I sculpt most of my hair. Cut the ridiculous top knots and go to work with green stuff. What's the release date on the SW cover White Dwarf?

The cover looks fantastic. I hope the models reflect that feral, barbaric look. I'm not a big fan of the big hair either.

Yes, the old space wolves really made me laugh. How do you wear a helmet with long hair, a mohawk, braids, foot long mustachios, etc.?

I know historically and nostalgically that army has always been space vikings but some of the minis are a bit humorous.

Hmm.

Augustus they don't wear helmets cos they're hard enough without them! =p

I love the terminators with mustaches down to their waste! HEHE!

In the books they don't normally wear thier helmets because it interferes with their acute senses. But I think the real reason is because it gets cramped in thier with alot that beardage.

Anyone else notice how fraking big that wolf head is on the backpack? Kinda cool that it depicts a huge fenris wolf instead of your run of the mill variety.

I like the white dwarf cover a lot, the big wolf back and the grimdark, no helmets on anyone I see...

I wonder if they will be able to field the new Leman Russ variants? A Leman Russ Plasma Annihilator would be a welcome addition to a space marine army methinks, particularly at BS4 instead of 3?

Hypothetical, I have NO BASIS for thinking this other than once upon a time the space wolves could take Leman Russ tanks.

winterman wrote:Anyone else notice how fraking big that wolf head is on the backpack? Kinda cool that it depicts a huge fenris wolf instead of your run of the mill variety.

That's because they ran out of puppys to kill! But seriously I like where they are going with the size of fresian wolves. Something that size would be dangerous...kinda like a Grizzly, shooting it just pisses it off. I hope they Biggerize the Wulfin as well.

wyomingfox wrote:

winterman wrote:Anyone else notice how fraking big that wolf head is on the backpack? Kinda cool that it depicts a huge fenris wolf instead of your run of the mill variety.

That's because they ran out of puppys to kill! But seriously I like where they are going with the size of fresian wolves. Something that size would be dangerous...kinda like a Grizzly, shooting it just pisses it off. I hope they Biggerize the Wulfin as well.

But they haven't biggerized the Wolves. They were always real big. In the Space Wolf novel, they mention them being the size of a Rhino.
GW never made models for them, so told evryone to use the existing plastics to rep them

wyomingfox wrote:Funny most of the pics of Space Wolves depicts them with long hair and braided locks...instead, we get epic pony tails for the models. How Sad :(.

Wolf's Head themed Corvus Pattern helmets would be cool. I might have to start collecting Beakie Helms again for conversion's sake.....

I'm gonna guess space wolf pack = tactical/whatever SW have for troops box.

I can see them being like the DA Vets boxes, just a bit more expensive and another sprue or 2 . . . then you can make any SW out of it.

But they haven't biggerized the Wolves. They were always real big. In the Space Wolf novel, they mention them being the size of a Rhino.
GW never made models for them, so told evryone to use the existing plastics to rep them

Augustus wrote:I wonder if they will be able to field the new Leman Russ variants?

I'm going to go out on a limb and say "No".

If Chaos losses Bassies, Woofs will lose Russes.

But Chaos gained Vindicators for everyone, so your 'logic' doesn't work. What a frickin' surprise...

Besides, trying to look at precedent when it comes to predicting how GW will act is pointless. They change horses so often mid-race that for all we know the new Space Wolf Codex could see a return to special upgrades for characters ala Daemonic Gifts... wait... *checks rumours*... Oh! "Sagas". I guess they already have.

It was mentioned by one of the guys on the `in' that the Russ is gone. There was a big out-cry about it a few months back. Search Warseer or Bolter and Chainsword and you should find the details on this.

It was mentioned by one of the guys on the `in' that the Russ is gone. There was a big out-cry about it a few months back. Search Warseer or Bolter and Chainsword and you should find the details on this.

Which is stupid if you really think about it. The tank is named after the friggin' wolf primarch for god's sake... it made sense in that army. It was one of the few dependable medium tank busters in it. Not to mention it gave some not-ultrasmurf character to the army.

*golfclap* nice going GW

Yeah god forbid they standardize the army somewhat to the model range. Must have every little bit of fluff on table! And since the UMs maintain huge guard reserves (the UM chapter master is lord Macragge) they shouldbe able to take allied Valks, right?

Plus a russ can easily counts as a pred....

More space Viking > more IG stuff.

jmurph wrote:the UMs maintain huge guard reserves (the UM chapter master is lord Macragge) they shouldbe able to take allied Valks, right?

Actually, by the same logic, they should be treat the entire IG Codex as Allied, save for the abhumans that nobody would ever take anyways...

It's funny how SM players can get outraged over losing a single unit, but are often the least sympathetic people when others' entire armies get Squatted.

gorgon wrote:It's funny how SM players can get outraged over losing a single unit, but are often the least sympathetic people when others' entire armies get Squatted.

Er, what?

I haven't seen that sentiment expressed here...

Are you sure you're not... exaggerating?

I saw the opposite sentiment, frankly, in earlier SW threads.

Alpharius wrote:

gorgon wrote:It's funny how SM players can get outraged over losing a single unit, but are often the least sympathetic people when others' entire armies get Squatted.

Er, what?

I haven't seen that sentiment expressed here...

Are you sure you're not... exaggerating?

lol, other than people who are just starting to collect/play 40k, i don't know of anyone who is ONLY a SM player... *looking at my sig* you'll find most people are sympathetic (if only to get in a few extra jibes on GW corporate) when anything previously available is squatted.

For all the outcries about the leman russ tank.. Ive never seen a SW army field one

Sure people do.. but its nothing special..

A name is merely a collection of characters strung together.. Just because its named after the primarch means nothing.. Name it "Tank_01" and then give it a critical look

Its out of place in the book and needs to go

Don't feed the trolls!

Kirasu- I agree. I would rather have wulfen in the main list! A note about how the SW's primarch is so honored that the IG named their MBT after him is sufficient.

I can say that I am an "only" Space Marine player. Give me a break, they are still my favorite race.

I recently got an old Space Wolf army I loaned to a friend for 5 years. One of the primary reasons I got into the Wolves back in the day was because I could field a Leman Russ in a Space Marine army.

I am already trading my old Russ in anticipation that I won't be able to field it, but ultimately I don't care. I don't think it added anything to the army that a Dakka Predator didn't.

I may purchase a Demolisher and field the Plasma Options in APOC games, but that is the extent of my care over loosing this tank.

I would much rather talk about Sagas, which looks to be the Space Wolves version of Orders/Faith Points/Combat Tactics. I like the the flavor of the army is in the list itself and not in a bunch of random upgrades that only exist to provide you with the allusion of options.


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jmurph wrote:Don't feed the trolls!

Kirasu- I agree. I would rather have wulfen in the main list! A note about how the SW's primarch is so honored that the IG named their MBT after him is sufficient.

Wolfen as a "Lost and the Damned" option, would be sweet, I would love to see them as a Rending unit that can put a lot of attacks out. Running them with a Wolf Priest in a Land Raider will be fun. I don't even care if they become a random upgrade choice like possessed, I would still find a use for them.

I believe Wulfen are a given at this point. Any words to the contrary?

I take it that WD cover pic is supposedly from the October Issue? GW has this and next months issues on their site so unless the art changes it is not the same and we get to see pics only like 2-3 weeks early? Seems about the same as it was with WOC when their book was redone last year I guess.

WD 355 (August) just came out, and that is listed as WD 357 so you would be correct, October it is, only two months away!

Side note: WD 355 might be the all time low in terms of value in WD's history.

I know a while back there was an article by Rick Priestly saying that this was going to change, that WD would be, well, WD again, with actual content worth paying for and reading...

Clearly this is not the case.

When does the data sheet normally get leaked? Can someone go up to GW HQ and just ask "Hey can you guys leak the datasheet for SWs already? We need something to get excited over"?

Well I would guess it will get leaked next month (start of) . . . as that is when the Black Box is sent out to stores . . . not long to wait =]

Gentlemen, I found a leaked video of what's inside the box.


On a serious note, the rumor that whatever is in the box will be a one run only seems like a short sighted business decision. I mean, if it sells out why not make more, profit, and keep your customers happy?

I mean, if it sells out why not make more, profit, and keep your customers happy?

Because then you'd have to be an idiot to buy it?

If the object in the box continues to be sold after the unveiling, then basically you're just pre-ordering their upcoming release without knowing what it is. That's dumb.

If the object in the box is a limited prodution item, then there's a certain level of hope that it will become valuable for its rarity, and you will win... Either because it's sweet and you got one, or because otherpeople think it's sweet, and you can sell it for more than what you paid.

It's simple. Nobody smart is going to buy something without knowing what it is. People MAY buy something if all they know is that it's going to be rare and cool.

There's a theme in these forums of general naivete around marketing and pricing. The idea seems to be that GW should just be really, really cool to us, and then they'll do well in business.

This is ridiculous.

Here's the reality:

Marketing gimmicks often work. And in the process of working, they often take advantage of the consumer, and leave him feeling a bit misused.

GW isn't here to sell you products at the price you feel like paying. They're here to figure out how much you think you can pay, and then get a little more out of you. Sorta like your high school coach. Or a drill sergeant trying to help you "pay all that you can pay."

Businesses don't succeed by being your pal, and running their operations as a favor to you. They succeed by getting as much money as possible for as little goods/services possible.

That may sound cynical, but don't misunderstand me... I'm not saying you should take it personally. That's life. Walk the middle path. Know that GW is trying to get your money. You should neither resent them for that, nor expect them to do otherwise.

Phryxis wrote: "pay all that you can pay."

Holy gak! GW's new slogan.

From what i have heard from some people in the know, there will only be a few boxes coming out with the wolves.

One being a wolf pack, which contains the standard 10 models with weapons to make either Hunters or Bloodclaws, along with bits that allow you to purchase a scout squad or a dev squad and "wolf" them up, which really is both a useful way for players and GW.

And the other being the plastic wolf guard squad, but haven't heard anything as to whether or not they will be power armoured and with termie bits in the same way as the other kit, or just termie troopers.

Have also pretty much heard a confirmation of the Thunderwolf squad (wolf riders) and their special character.

Unfortunately haven't heard anything other then the sculpts are very nice looking, and there is lots of bitz.

Unfortunately haven't heard anything other then the sculpts are very nice looking, and there is lots of bitz.

God, every time I hear this it pisses me right the feth off.

"Oh, they're really nice looking, they're very nice!" fething SHOW US THEN GOD DAMN IT. Stop telling me it's nice, prove it.

The moronic way GW is approaching this whole release (and unfortunately every new release until they get a clue) is just making me not care. I don't want to buy from them if they're going to do that.

Oh I'm sure they are very nice. Too bad all your dicking around and acting like a tool with the news killed my enthusiasm.

Sidstyler wrote:

Unfortunately haven't heard anything other then the sculpts are very nice looking, and there is lots of bitz.

God, every time I hear this it pisses me right the feth off.

"Oh, they're really nice looking, they're very nice!" fething SHOW US THEN GOD DAMN IT. Stop telling me it's nice, prove it.

The moronic way GW is approaching this whole release (and unfortunately every new release until they get a clue) is just making me not care. I don't want to buy from them if they're going to do that.

Oh I'm sure they are very nice. Too bad all your dicking around and acting like a tool with the news killed my enthusiasm.

Someone's a littler overly excited. Time for nap until you calm down young man.

Sidstyler wrote:

Unfortunately haven't heard anything other then the sculpts are very nice looking, and there is lots of bitz.

God, every time I hear this it pisses me right the feth off.

"Oh, they're really nice looking, they're very nice!" fething SHOW US THEN GOD DAMN IT. Stop telling me it's nice, prove it.

The moronic way GW is approaching this whole release (and unfortunately every new release until they get a clue) is just making me not care. I don't want to buy from them if they're going to do that.

Oh I'm sure they are very nice. Too bad all your dicking around and acting like a tool with the news killed my enthusiasm.

I wish i could prove it, means i would have seen the sculpts myself, but unfortunately i haven't all i posted is what i have been told by people who have seen the sculpts, I'm sorry if that's not enough for you to be happy with, but we can't all get looks at things early and we have to really go by ear alot of the time, and after being told some cool stuff i thought'd i pass it for the community.

I'm going to have to agree with Sidstyler here. As Malfred said some may years ago, his quote in my sig still holds true.

gorgon wrote:It's funny how SM players can get outraged over losing a single unit, but are often the least sympathetic people when others' entire armies get Squatted.

First they came for the Dark Angels, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Dark Angel. Then they came for the Chaos Space Marines, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Chaos Space Marine. Then they came for the Imperial Guard, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Space Wolf. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.

I have to say, you put that perfectly. I hate to admit it, but I had not thought of it that way.

Phryxis wrote:

I mean, if it sells out why not make more, profit, and keep your customers happy?

Because then you'd have to be an idiot to buy it?

If the object in the box continues to be sold after the unveiling, then basically you're just pre-ordering their upcoming release without knowing what it is. That's dumb.

If the object in the box is a limited prodution item, then there's a certain level of hope that it will become valuable for its rarity, and you will win... Either because it's sweet and you got one, or because otherpeople think it's sweet, and you can sell it for more than what you paid.

It's simple. Nobody smart is going to buy something without knowing what it is. People MAY buy something if all they know is that it's going to be rare and cool.

There's a theme in these forums of general naivete around marketing and pricing. The idea seems to be that GW should just be really, really cool to us, and then they'll do well in business.

This is ridiculous.

Here's the reality:

Marketing gimmicks often work. And in the process of working, they often take advantage of the consumer, and leave him feeling a bit misused.

GW isn't here to sell you products at the price you feel like paying. They're here to figure out how much you think you can pay, and then get a little more out of you. Sorta like your high school coach. Or a drill sergeant trying to help you "pay all that you can pay."

Businesses don't succeed by being your pal, and running their operations as a favor to you. They succeed by getting as much money as possible for as little goods/services possible.

That may sound cynical, but don't misunderstand me... I'm not saying you should take it personally. That's life. Walk the middle path. Know that GW is trying to get your money. You should neither resent them for that, nor expect them to do otherwise.

But.. you can't pre-order it before they have shown us what it is, thus you won't be buying something you don't know what it is

I don't see a big nerf bat coming down. Rumors indicate that the SWs will probably be pretty good.

I suspect SW will be more fighty than codex marines, hopefully packing BP/CCW/Bolter/Grenades ala Chaos for the GHs and BP/CCW/Grenades for BCs. Hopefully they keep Counter Charge and BP/CCW/Bolter largely makes True Grit unnecessary. BCs getting Furious Charge is a fine swap for their current ability and dropping the must assault rule. Troops should get to pack two special weaps or swap one for another special CCW. And if the cost is reasonable (Maybe 14-15 for BCs and 16-17 for GHs), this will make for very strong troops that are not quite as hot at ranged combat but quite formidable at close range/CC. Getting the cheaper rhinos will also be a nice change. Since this is the core of the army, assuming decent costing, no big deal.

I anticipate SWs will get bikes and JPs as FA options and be comparable to SM bikes/JPs. Be nice to get something like Stormclaws with 2A, but not if they are loaded with the points cost of Vanguard. Speeders will probably be exactly like SM. HS should be the standard Pred/LR/LF, but SWs may get a new LR variant, so good there (although its hard to top the Crusader). LFs are currently pretty useless, but something like S&P could make them very useful and better than Devs. Again, costing will be a bif factor.

Elites will be Dreads, probably WG and maybe some new units. Again, the lower dread prices will probably appear, and TH/SS WG are going to be at least as good as the SM ones, though without the ability to get MC or Infiltrate. Rumors indicate they may get more attacks (possibly a character ability), so that seems pretty good. I will be interested to see if WG can be on bikes & can pull a Nob bikers thing.

And finally HQ will probably follow the same pattern as C:SM with the Chapter Master->Wolf Lord, Librarian->Rune Priest, Chaplain->Wolf Priest, Techmarine->Iron Priest. Captain->Battle Leader. Since the base choices should be comparable to C:SM and can power up with Sagas, this sounds pretty good. Hopefully the Lord will keep 4A base, but I can't see the other choices getting so many, probably 2 for all but the BL. I bet we also see a mount option ala C:CSM. Ablative wound wolves will probably disappear and be replaced by a FA wolf pack or similar.

So hardly the sky is falling, eh?

I guess this will also be the Codex picture (following the trend of the IG White Dwarf and Planetstrike White Dwarf, Lizardmen WhiteDwarf etc.



In which case its bloody awesome.

Just [img] in the tags

George Spiggott wrote:

gorgon wrote:It's funny how SM players can get outraged over losing a single unit, but are often the least sympathetic people when others' entire armies get Squatted.

First they came for the Dark Angels, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Dark Angel. Then they came for the Chaos Space Marines, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Chaos Space Marine. Then they came for the Imperial Guard, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Space Wolf. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.

More like, then they came for Space Wolves, and I didn’t speak up, repeat to include Tau, Nids, BA & BT. I am a Necron, DE, DH, or WH, WHY WON'T they come for me even when I or others DO speak up?!!!!

Lol, at people thinking it's bolter, bp, ccw.

The true grit rule is you can assault after rapid firing bolters, and bolters only (i.e. plasma guns don't count.)
Read the warseer space wolves rumor thread first page carefully.

I personally don't like it at all. Marines can shoot pistols and then charge, so it's really a minor benefit.

George Spiggott wrote:

gorgon wrote:It's funny how SM players can get outraged over losing a single unit, but are often the least sympathetic people when others' entire armies get Squatted.

First they came for the Dark Angels, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Dark Angel. Then they came for the Chaos Space Marines, and I didn’t speak up, because I wasn’t a Chaos Space Marine. Then they came for the Imperial Guard, and I didn’t speak up, because I was a Space Wolf. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.

Oh, for crissakes. I make one tongue-in-cheek comment and suddenly we're making Holocaust comparisons.

It's one tank. Losing that is called getting off easy in this hobby. You kept your army and the majority of your units will still be fieldable. SW will get a great codex. Enough with the mock drama.

SgtDavi wrote:I guess this will also be the Codex picture (following the trend of the IG White Dwarf and Planetstrike White Dwarf, Lizardmen WhiteDwarf etc.

In which case its bloody awesome.

It's good that he's screaming, but loses points for not being bald...

The pose is solid, it's well focused on the Space Wolf Marine, and will stand out nicely and clearly on the rack from across the room.

Cover-wise, it's far better than the IG cover. Why GW couldn't have done a squad of IG Veterans or a IG Command Squad as the cover boys is completely beyond me.

Guard is about a mass of men, woofs are heroic individuals.

That cover has the feeling of a saga. I mean that in the sense that: Here are 3 badass space wolves, one of whom has a massive wolf over his shoulders....This gak is so awesome he gets +1 strength on the charge

I also liked the IG codex picture, it highlighted the true nature of the fluff Imperial Guard....

C:Spess Mehrines was also pretty awesome...even though its an ULTRAsmurf its so badass.

BrookM wrote:Guard is about a mass of men, woofs are heroic individuals.

Hence having a small IG squad in the foreground. When every other cover is a single model, a 3- to 5- person squad stands out as a group. Mob the background as usual for Guard, and the message is clear up close and afar.

I prefer the cover on the last one to the current one. The older style really popped to me while the new one seems bland. Oh well.

Ah, but this one is more grimdarkx2.

So True Grit may mean an assault after RF? I would prefer the BP/CCW/Bolter and countercharge :-) An extra 8 S4 AP4 shots isn't terrible. The problem will be with 1 base attack and no BP/CCW. That makes for a weak CC group. That's why I suspect they may get the bolter=bp in CC included in TG as well. Maybe. We'll see.

I can't see why they just can't get Bolt Pistol, Close Combat Weapon and Bolter just like the Spiky Loyalists got. Including a rule that says you can fire a bolter and still charge would be pointless if a Bolt Pistol does that already. It would be a special rule to allow them to shoot and attack, but still not be as good in close combat as a Spiky Loyalist who doesn't even particularly like fist fights.

Railguns wrote:Including a rule that says you can fire a bolter and still charge would be pointless if a Bolt Pistol does that already.

Except you have two shots with the bolter, instead of one shot with the pistol, no?

I can't see SW going to B&BP&CCW - that's Heresy!

JohnHwangDD wrote:I can't see SW going to B&BP&CCW - that's Heresy!

Maybe they'll be able to fire their Bolter and assault as well as treat their bolters as a bolt pistol in CC.

Seems pretty logical for Grey hunters and maybe Scouts.

I wonder if SW Scouts will be plastic.

George Spiggott wrote:Seems pretty logical for Grey hunters and maybe Scouts.

I wonder if SW Scouts will be plastic.

All they need for plastic scouts is upgrade bits on the sw sprew

JohnHwangDD wrote:I can't see SW going to B&BP&CCW - that's Heresy!

Well, it is apparently also non-Codex, so...

Maybe!

JohnHwangDD wrote:I can't see SW going to B&BP&CCW - that's Heresy!

No, sacking Terra is Heresy. Having b, bp, ccw is just....heretical.

If it stomps me some more traitors, I'm not complaining. Thats also the same cover for Thunder from Fenris BTW methinks. We shall see...

Mastiff wrote:

Railguns wrote:Including a rule that says you can fire a bolter and still charge would be pointless if a Bolt Pistol does that already.

Except you have two shots with the bolter, instead of one shot with the pistol, no?

You can't rapid fire a bolter and charge.

Railguns wrote:

Mastiff wrote:

Railguns wrote:Including a rule that says you can fire a bolter and still charge would be pointless if a Bolt Pistol does that already.

Except you have two shots with the bolter, instead of one shot with the pistol, no?

You can't rapid fire a bolter and charge.

i think you missed the rumor that grey hunter true grit allows them to rapid fire THEN charge. Hence what the discussion is about.

Okay. I thought the rumour was that it said you could count a bolter as a bolt pistol in close combat.

That's what it currently does. But it doesn't stack with the assault bonus.

Allowing RF and charge plus counts as BP would be great!

jmurph wrote:That's what it currently does. But it doesn't stack with the assault bonus.

Allowing RF and charge plus counts as BP would be great!

That would make me /spooge