First up, the rumors are unvieling at an outstanding rate, it getting hard to keep up!

Shadowphrakt at WS confirmed that he was completely duped with the previous batch of SW rumors. So the no TH/SS rumor was totally false! Forget every SW rumor before these because these SW rumors are the real deal.


The comfirmation of these rumors come from Brimstone, Harry and Hastings on Warseer. That's as reliable as it gets in the world of GW rumors.

Here is the current round up of rumors that we have so far. I will keep this post updted as new info becomes available. New info will be in this color

The Space Wolf codex has an October release date.

LC's are called Wolf Claws in the new codex, you can choose to either re-roll to hit or to wound.

Canis Wolfborn is the new SW SC; He's riding a very big wolf in a not so weird way as that sounds. Let just say those bloodcrushers look like grots!!! Also Canis is power armoured and has 2 wolf claws. The wolf has some cybernetic bits on it.

IIRC taking Canis also allows you to take two cav choices, 1 can be SW mounted on wolves, the other is just wolves.

Njal Stormcaller returns to the Codex with a new model, holding a gnarled staff out before him.

Bjorn the Fellhanded returns to the codex.

All special characters have been resculpted.

Wolf Scouts will remain the same and they also have the option be mounted in a Land Speeder Storm

There will be 2 main plastic kits, however 1 of them can be used to make pretty much every SW troop choice by combining the oooodles of spares on the sprues with normal vanilla marines kits (e.g. a box of devastators plus the extra from the sprues will make your Longfangs. IIRC there are around 30+ heads on the sprue!!! there may also be a special vehicle, but I'm not sure if it's a complete kit or if there will be an upgrade sprue to add to the existing kit.

There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters called Sagas, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC, but IMO much more fitting for SW, and very fluffy, in fact it is IMO one of the best ideas GW have had in ages. You choose "sagas" for your characters, perhaps someone with Saga of the monster killer (I made that name up by the way) may be better at killing monsters (high strength things) in some way, although there could be drawbacks to this as he may need to kill so many of such things per game to continue his saga......

Space Wolves gain access to an Assault Cannon Land Raider variant.

The current options for jump packs are going to change. BTW Jump Pack marines are called "Skyriders" in SW Codex.

Plastic Wolfguard Terminators; they are ambidextrous, ie they will have right and left handed weapons options like Stormbolters.

When asked about Pack size, Brimstone says that Space Wolves will be even less Codex Astartes than they were before.

A first look at the new Space Wolf miniatures, thanks to WS!

Here's a better version of the first pic we saw.



GW in their infinite wisdom have decided to officially let the Wolf outta the bag.

Incoming! Space Wolves

The Space Wolves were one of the first Space Marine Chapters founded by the Emperor; fierce and barbaric heroes of legend who charge fangs bared into the teeth of the enemy. In October, this Chapter of ferocious warriors is being re-launched with a brand-new Codex and range of Citadel Miniatures.

As a newsletter subscriber, we thought you should be among the first to catch a glimpse of the all-new Space Wolves.


Space Wolf Grey Hunter
This stunning Grey Hunter has been assembled using the forthcoming multi-part plastic box set; just one of the fantastic new Space Wolf sets coming in October.

Space Wolf Lighting Claws: Re-roll all successful to-wound rolls.

If this does not happen, the curse has been broken for the sub-chapters.

The claws are apparently called Wolf Claws and you can choose to re-roll either the to hit or to wound rolls.

And Njal is back.

Hastings have been a reliable source in the past, so...

His Master's Voice wrote:The claws are apparently called Wolf Claws and you can choose to re-roll either the to hit or to wound rolls.

And Njal is back.

Hastings have been a reliable source in the past, so...

The floodgates seem to be swinging open!

Just for completeness sake here is what 75hastings69 said:

"LC's are called Wolf Claws in the new codex, you can choose to either re-roll to hit or to wound.

Njal Stormcaller returns to the Codex with a new model, holding a gnarled staff out before him.

I have heard 2 main plastic kits, however 1 of them can be used to make pretty much every SW troop choice by combining the oooodles of spares on the sprues with normal vanilla marines kits (e.g. a box of devastators plus the extra from the sprues will make your Longfangs. IIRC there are around 30+ heads on the sprue!!! there may also be a special vehicle, but I'm not sure if it's a complete kit or if there will be an upgrade sprue to add to the existing kit."

Do you have to choose which reroll you want before you hit anything, or can you choose after rolling to hit to save it for the wound roll if you like your hits? It's most likely the first, but the second would be great.

Any more word on TH/SS being taken away from the Wolves?

a1steaks wrote:Any more word on TH/SS being taken away from the Wolves?

No word on that one yet.

Hastings gives up a little more:

And beginning of October for release is indeed correct.

There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC, but IMO much more fitting for SW, and very fluffy, in fact it is IMO one of the best ideas GW have had in ages. I'm not going to say any more on this as it will spoil the surprise.

Ive been following that thread on B&C,

it makes me happy.

wow sounds like its goin to be a good Codex

Hmmm... I just finished building a new LC-equipped Wolf Guard, I'm just relieved they didn't discontinue LCs altogether!

There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC.

So having a wargear list of cool upgrades is 'new' is it?

What. The. Feth.

The Woofs get an upgrade list ala Vampire Counts and Chaos are stuck with generic weapon lists, no Daemonic Gifts at all (a staple since 1st Ed 40K) and Daemon Princes that can't get Daemonic weapons.

Feth you Jervis.

a new wolf guard model in collectors section.

I gotz that wolf guard model, its one of my favorite sculpts so far.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC.

So having a wargear list of cool upgrades is 'new' is it?

What. The. Feth.

The Woofs get an upgrade list ala Vampire Counts and Chaos are stuck with generic weapon lists, no Daemonic Gifts at all (a staple since 1st Ed 40K) and Daemon Princes that can't get Daemonic weapons.

Feth you Jervis.

Don't be so quick to condemn GW, they'll probably have 1 or 2 wargear choices that are obviously better than the rest and that'll be the one that everyone takes in every list.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC.

So having a wargear list of cool upgrades is 'new' is it?

What. The. Feth.

The Woofs get an upgrade list ala Vampire Counts and Chaos are stuck with generic weapon lists, no Daemonic Gifts at all (a staple since 1st Ed 40K) and Daemon Princes that can't get Daemonic weapons.

Feth you Jervis.

Amen there HBMC. I might just use the space wolves book for my chaos army.

Insane Psychopath on the B&C, confirms that the Landspeeder Storm is an option for Wolf Scouts the new codex.

Well of course it is.

Why cut of revenue avenues by not allowing a new Marine army to use a recently released model kit?

carmachu wrote: I might just use the space wolves book for my chaos army.

Been planning to do that for months myself. Sold my other two armies just so I could buy up some Possessed, Zerker, CSM and a few SM kits when the codex hits.

These rumors are exciting me quite a bit though. Can't wait to see how I can combine cool looking chaos bits to get dual Wolf Claw marines.

BDJV wrote:Insane Psychopath on the B&C, confirms that the Landspeeder Storm is an option for Wolf Scouts the new codex.

/wrists

combatmedic wrote:

BDJV wrote:Insane Psychopath on the B&C, confirms that the Landspeeder Storm is an option for Wolf Scouts the new codex.

/wrists

I don't get it, why is that bad? Did old space wolves not like Landspeeders? Especially those of the storm variety?

they don't like flying

Typeline wrote:

combatmedic wrote:

BDJV wrote:Insane Psychopath on the B&C, confirms that the Landspeeder Storm is an option for Wolf Scouts the new codex.

/wrists

I don't get it, why is that bad? Did old space wolves not like Landspeeders? Especially those of the storm variety?

Because the last divergent chapter of SM to get a dex was DA and well they got screwed unless you play DW, RW or Doublewing.

And apparetnly combatmedic has a bunch of DA.

lord marcus wrote:they don't like flying

Oh yeah, I remember now.

They don't have anything with jump packs either right? No DSing either.

That's pretty funny. I hope those Landspeeder stroms end up being a really good choice for them. That way I'll see fluffy space wolves list playing my Chaos Marines counts as wolves that will definitely be flying those things around if they are good.

Thats exactly why it does not make sense. Again I know I sound like a broken record but the individuality of each chapter is slowly being drained away as they get closer to just releasing the 6th ed codex of SM with the chapter masters from each of the old books and replacing combat tactics with "can take wolves as troops, are stubborn, and paint them gray" special rules.

Little upset that the SW get the cool new toys? Yea, but I can live.

Really more upset at the insane lack of originality each new codex brings to the game.

Im sorry combatmedic, you are wrong at this point, in 2nd edition space wolves had plenty of jump packs, flyers, drop pods, etc.
It was merely the ad hoc slap together of rules for 3rd edition that they decided to limit the Space Wolf access to the air.

the only limitation that has been consistent is the lack of teleportation, but even then there has been exceptions.

I stand corrected on my assumption Combatmedic. However I agree that with each new codex something is lost.

Soon we will have xenos in nice 10 man squads with 2 special wepons just with different stats...

Demogerg wrote:Im sorry combatmedic, you are wrong at this point, in 2nd edition space wolves had plenty of jump packs, flyers, drop pods, etc.
It was merely the ad hoc slap together of rules for 3rd edition that they decided to limit the Space Wolf access to the air.

the only limitation that has been consistent is the lack of teleportation, but even then there has been exceptions.

Consistent?

Can some Wolf Fluff Maniac tell me from 'when' this dates?

3rd edition?

I can't remember!

H.B.M.C. wrote:

There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC.

So having a wargear list of cool upgrades is 'new' is it?

What. The. Feth.

The Woofs get an upgrade list ala Vampire Counts and Chaos are stuck with generic weapon lists, no Daemonic Gifts at all (a staple since 1st Ed 40K) and Daemon Princes that can't get Daemonic weapons.

Feth you Jervis.

C'mon. You know the rumors are always better than the final product

Demogerg wrote:Im sorry combatmedic, you are wrong at this point, in 2nd edition space wolves had plenty of jump packs, flyers, drop pods, etc.
It was merely the ad hoc slap together of rules for 3rd edition that they decided to limit the Space Wolf access to the air.

the only limitation that has been consistent is the lack of teleportation, but even then there has been exceptions.

I wasn't around in 2nd edition, so Iv been raised as it where on 3rd edition, and between then and now is what I have to make my comparisons on, would I have joined the hobby just a year or two earlier Im sure I would have seen something entirely different. I loved the the fact that, even though the Space Wolves where space marines, they had their own special feel. Yea they had speeders and stuff (I remember a really cool diorama with some SW scouts finding a crashed SW landspeeder, freakin beautiful), but they had things that made them unique, like taking wolves, 6 different HQ options including a dreadnought, refused to use an almost critical part of SM technology, and lack of jump troops. These things made the space wolfs interesting. I know their scouts where a big deal as well, but I never played em so Im no expert. But just look at the special rules page of their codex. When was the last time you saw a codex that full of rules? Even if most of them are now USR now.

Id go on about DA and BAs plight but Iv gone on long enough.

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

can't wait for the codex!!

The last time I checked the idea of a good fluff filled army with some uniqueness to it was up to the player and not all in GW's hands. People want to complain about this, that or the other. If you want something with character and fluff then use the imagination that God gave you and come up with something. I play Wolves and regular Marines. Came up with my won fluff, converted my own figs to stay consistent with my fluff. Every game has certain units that have to played so that it stays true to my fluff and I have tons of fun. If you rely on GW to do it all for you then you are truly missing out on some of the better parts of the game. And you will be sorely disappointed.

According to Hastings the New SW vehicle is a Landraider varient with Assault Cannons.

Then Brimstone had this to say about jump packs!

Brimstone wrote:

Chem-Dog wrote:Now I know you been at the crack... A Chapter that all but refuses to us jump packs better than a Chapter that almost hands them out as standard kit?!

The jump pack thing is recent and I wouldn't expect it to stay in its current form.

Woot!

For the record, there are no rules limiting the use of flying in the SW book. Landspeeders are allowed with no restrictions, and Blood Claws do use jumpacks....its just an expensive option, and none of the characters had a jump pack option.

Teleportation is what Wolves disliked.

I hope these Wolf Claws are still power weapons.

Even the Teleportation thing is fairly new WD had a battle report back in the day very Space Hulkish, the wolves teleported on to a hulk and fought some Stealers.

When was this?

Here is the current round up of rumors that we have so far. 7/8

The Space Wolf codex has an October release date.

LC's are called Wolf Claws in the new codex, you can choose to either re-roll to hit or to wound.

Canis Wolfborn is the new SW SC; He's riding a very big wolf in a not so weird way as that sounds. Let just say those bloodcrushers look like grots!!! New from WS; Also Canis is power armoured and has 2 wolf claws. The wolf has some cybernetic bits on it. Its size may have been exaggerated a little it's just a bit bigger than a Juggernaut. IIRC taking Canis also allows you to take two cav choices, 1 can be SW mounted on wolves, the other is just wolves.

Njal Stormcaller returns to the Codex with a new model, holding a gnarled staff out before him.

There will be 2 main plastic kits, however 1 of them can be used to make pretty much every SW troop choice by combining the oooodles of spares on the sprues with normal vanilla marines kits (e.g. a box of devastators plus the extra from the sprues will make your Longfangs. IIRC there are around 30+ heads on the sprue!!! there may also be a special vehicle, but I'm not sure if it's a complete kit or if there will be an upgrade sprue to add to the existing kit.


There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters called Sagas, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC, but IMO much more fitting for SW, and very fluffy, in fact it is IMO one of the best ideas GW have had in ages. You choose "sagas" for your characters, perhaps someone with Saga of the monster killer (I made that name up by the way) may be better at killing monsters (high strength things) in some way, although there could be drawbacks to this as he may need to kill so many of such things per game to continue his saga......

Space Wolves gain access to an Assault Cannon Land Raider variant.

The current options for jump packs are going to change.

Assault Cannon Variant meaning Assault Cannon Spons? This would be incredibly exciting.

If these rumors are true, then Id be very happy for SW players, and only hope the trend continues.

Twin linked assault cannon sponsons, you say(insinuate)? I'm sure we'll see a wave of youg'uns making Landraider Crusaders with the Assault cannon sponsons so they can have a tank with 6x(Six!) gatling guns on it. They may or may not make excessive references to that scene in Predator, if they are old enough. Yeah, you know the one.

Now every chapter is making its own LR!

BDJV wrote:
The current options for jump packs are going to change.

woot!

I've been very disappointed that jump packs are too expensive for under-skilled cannon fodder. I'm hoping grey hunters will be able to hop into battle again. I think they added the 'no-fly" rule to the previous codex simply to differentiate them from the Blood Angels, the other "charge-the-enemy-and-poke-em-with-a-pointy-stick" army.

BDJV wrote: there may also be a special vehicle, but I'm not sure if it's a complete kit or if there will be an upgrade sprue to add to the existing kit.

A month or two ago there were some people talking to GW reps, asking questions about WHFB stuff. Trying to get answers about the 'new' thing they are doing. After his line of questioning to try and support the rumor of Chaos Dwarfs being this 'new' thing he asked a couple of questions about Space Wolves. He asked if the Russ was staying, the rep asked if he'd be upset if it didn't. Then the rep stated if the player would be upset if there were a Predator variant or something similar in place of the Russ.

Maybe they will have their own predator upgrade sprue. Sells a SM kit and an additional sprue, if the vehicle is popular (good) enough they will make a pretty good bit on it. Personally I believe this Predator variant is going to be their new vehicle.

BDJV wrote:There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC, but IMO much more fitting for SW, and very fluffy, in fact it is IMO one of the best ideas GW have had in ages. I'm not going to say any more on this as it will spoil the surprise."

I can see this being pretty awesome. VC purchase things like flight and terror. Vampire heroes can spend 50 points on this stuff and Vampire Lords can spend 100 points on this stuff. It's hard to explain how this works really, but these things definitely aren't equipment upgrades. I think these things might be representing some specific beneficial wolf-like mutations.

Marshal2Crusaders wrote:Now every chapter is making its own LR!

I'm waiting for a variant armed with twin-linked laspistols

Typeline wrote:I can see this being pretty awesome. VC purchase things like flight and terror. Vampire heroes can spend 50 points on this stuff and Vampire Lords can spend 100 points on this stuff. It's hard to explain how this works really, but these things definitely aren't equipment upgrades. I think these things might be representing some specific beneficial wolf-like mutations.

Wolf-like mutations? Are those anything like Chaos mutations? Well I guess if Chaos gets rules to represent all their daemonic gifts and mutations I see no reason why SW shouldn't, right? Hurr!!

I would have thought it to be some kind of totemic thing. Although there must be something different about the mechanic if it's such a good new idea.

I'm glad to see truth coming from all those old rumors. My brother flipped when he heard this! About a week ago, he had said, "If the SW aren't redone, I'm selling them and moving on to fantasy."

SWEET I'm liking the rumors

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Typeline wrote:I can see this being pretty awesome. VC purchase things like flight and terror. Vampire heroes can spend 50 points on this stuff and Vampire Lords can spend 100 points on this stuff. It's hard to explain how this works really, but these things definitely aren't equipment upgrades. I think these things might be representing some specific beneficial wolf-like mutations.

Wolf-like mutations? Are those anything like Chaos mutations? Well I guess if Chaos gets rules to represent all their daemonic gifts and mutations I see no reason why SW shouldn't, right? Hurr!!

Chaos doesn't have mutations anymore. And CSM don't get daemonic gifts either, only actual daemons.

It will be pretty specific to SW, I'm sure of it. It also won't be gear based at all.

gorgon wrote:I would have thought it to be some kind of totemic thing. Although there must be something different about the mechanic if it's such a good new idea.

Indeed.

I am sure when the full story comes out people will be happier.

Or not.. this is Dakka after all.

Just out of curiosity, what does the VC have that the Space Wolves can emulate?

I don't play Fantasy so an explanation on the VC thing would be nice.

All I know is if that triple assault cannon land raider is true you can sign me up for one.

Mahu wrote:Just out of curiosity, what does the VC have that the Space Wolves can emulate?

I don't play Fantasy so an explanation on the VC thing would be nice.

Vampire heroes can spend 50 points, Lords can spend 100 points on Vampiric Powers.

These powers are all set off into different groups for VC. The Severed (hermits), The Arkayne(magic), The Bestial(monsters), The Martialle(fighty), The Courtly(leadership effects) and The Master(enhancement).

These powers range from stuff like Supernatural Horror (The Severed) makes the Vampire cause terror, to Red Fury (The Martialle) which lets the Vampire have a number of extra attacks as wounds as that vampire just caused.

I'd imagine some of the stuff to be similar

combatmedic wrote:Assault Cannon Variant meaning Assault Cannon Spons? This would be incredibly exciting.

Well, SW will be losing the Exterminator...

reds8n wrote:

gorgon wrote:I would have thought it to be some kind of totemic thing. Although there must be something different about the mechanic if it's such a good new idea.

Indeed.

I am sure when the full story comes out people will be happier.

Or not.. this is Dakka after all.

Sure, given the many similar sagas we've seen on Dakka, is that what you're saying?

Khornatedemon wrote:All I know is if that triple assault cannon land raider is true you can sign me up for one.

If that is true, you can sign me up for three (if it's possible to run three with a single FOC)

BTW Jump Pack marines are called "Skyriders" in SW Codex, according to Hastings at WS.

Typeline wrote:

Abadabadoobaddon wrote:

Typeline wrote:I can see this being pretty awesome. VC purchase things like flight and terror. Vampire heroes can spend 50 points on this stuff and Vampire Lords can spend 100 points on this stuff. It's hard to explain how this works really, but these things definitely aren't equipment upgrades. I think these things might be representing some specific beneficial wolf-like mutations.

Wolf-like mutations? Are those anything like Chaos mutations? Well I guess if Chaos gets rules to represent all their daemonic gifts and mutations I see no reason why SW shouldn't, right? Hurr!!

Chaos doesn't have mutations anymore. And CSM don't get daemonic gifts either, only actual daemons.

It will be pretty specific to SW, I'm sure of it. It also won't be gear based at all.

I am guessing that Aba-da-ba-da...ba...(whatever) is griping about Chaos loss of deamonic gifts and mutations that was present back in 3rd edition.

Aba..., I think you are going to have to pour the sarcasm on a little thicker next time.

gorgon wrote:

reds8n wrote:

gorgon wrote:I would have thought it to be some kind of totemic thing. Although there must be something different about the mechanic if it's such a good new idea.

Indeed.

I am sure when the full story comes out people will be happier.

Or not.. this is Dakka after all.

Sure, given the many similar sagas we've seen on Dakka, is that what you're saying?

I've always thought you'd go far.

You've always risen to the challenge so far. So much to gain from doing so.

More from Hastings on upgrading your heroes!

You choose "sagas" for your characters, perhaps someone with Saga of the monster killer (I made that name up by the way) may be better at killing monsters (high strength things) in some way, although there could be drawbacks to this as he may need to kill so many of such things per game to continue his saga......

reds8n wrote:

gorgon wrote:

reds8n wrote:

gorgon wrote:I would have thought it to be some kind of totemic thing. Although there must be something different about the mechanic if it's such a good new idea.

Indeed.

I am sure when the full story comes out people will be happier.

Or not.. this is Dakka after all.

Sure, given the many similar sagas we've seen on Dakka, is that what you're saying?

I've always thought you'd go far.

You've always risen to the challenge so far. So much to gain from doing so.

Darn that Phil K. He's gonna remove my long-standing, deep-rooted annoyance with SW and those that play them. Been on the wrong end of too many five-man Wolf Guard squads with assault cannons during 2nd edition, I suppose.

I just want a new Ulrik the Slayer model. If it's October, when willwe see new SW models? End of August?

I've put all the current rumors for the thread in the first post. I'll update it as more comes in that way it's easy to find.

chaplaingrabthar wrote:I just want a new Ulrik the Slayer model. If it's October, when willwe see new SW models? End of August?

September most likely.

reds8n wrote:

gorgon wrote:

reds8n wrote:

gorgon wrote:I would have thought it to be some kind of totemic thing. Although there must be something different about the mechanic if it's such a good new idea.

Indeed.

I am sure when the full story comes out people will be happier.

Or not.. this is Dakka after all.

Sure, given the many similar sagas we've seen on Dakka, is that what you're saying?

I've always thought you'd go far.

You've always risen to the challenge so far. So much to gain from doing so.

I guess it depends on how quickly requirements are met... Perhaps?

Has anyone poste this yet?
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/07/40k-rumors-wolftime-approaches.html

garret wrote:Has anyone poste this yet?
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2009/07/40k-rumors-wolftime-approaches.html

all of that is in the first post on here. And it was mostly taken from warseer and bolter and chainsword

Bell of Lost Souls - summarizing posts on 40k forums since 2006!

I do like that BoLS does summarize things, and sometimes even has their own info to add, but I wish they'd do a better job with their bibliography.

Special land raider wolf claws new Njal. any news on Ragnar and Ulric? *doing my happy dance*

I think these are by far the worse rumors I have heard for Space Wolves yet.

The only thing I find good about them is the AC Raider. A SC riding a mech wolf? Sagas? Nothing but crap imo.

A bit off-topic, but it may sooth the nay-sayers about an October release date. Don't forget that BL has the Spess Puppies' Second Omnibus coming out in October.

Manchu wrote: A bit off-topic, but it may sooth the nay-sayers about an October release date. Don't forget that BL has the Spess Puppies' Second Omnibus coming out in October.

Plus there's the SW audio book Thunder from Fenris by Nick Kyme that is to be released at GD UK. Pitting the Wolves against a plague zombie outbreak!

Anybody seen these?

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=cat&cre=min-40k-ssw

64mas wrote:Anybody seen these?

http://www.maelstromgames.co.uk/index.php?act=cat&cre=min-40k-ssw

you mean the SW box sets that have been out for what, a good 9-10 years now?

First up, the rumors are unvieling at an outstanding rate, it getting hard to keep up!

Shadowphrakt at WS confirmed that he was completely duped with the previous batch of SW rumors. So the no TH/SS rumor was totally false! Forget every SW rumor before these because these SW rumors are the real deal.


The comfirmation of these rumors come from Brimstone, Harry and Hastings on Warseer. That's as reliable as it gets in the world of GW rumors.

Here is the current round up of rumors that we have so far. I will keep this post updted as new info becomes available. New info will be in this color

The Space Wolf codex has an October release date.

LC's are called Wolf Claws in the new codex, you can choose to either re-roll to hit or to wound.

Canis Wolfborn is the new SW SC; He's riding a very big wolf in a not so weird way as that sounds. Let just say those bloodcrushers look like grots!!! Also Canis is power armoured and has 2 wolf claws. The wolf has some cybernetic bits on it.

IIRC taking Canis also allows you to take two cav choices, 1 can be SW mounted on wolves, the other is just wolves.

Njal Stormcaller returns to the Codex with a new model, holding a gnarled staff out before him.

Bjorn the Fellhanded returns to the codex.

All special characters have been resculpted.

Wolf Scouts will remain the same and they also have the option be mounted in a Land Speeder Storm

There will be 2 main plastic kits, however 1 of them can be used to make pretty much every SW troop choice by combining the oooodles of spares on the sprues with normal vanilla marines kits (e.g. a box of devastators plus the extra from the sprues will make your Longfangs. IIRC there are around 30+ heads on the sprue!!! there may also be a special vehicle, but I'm not sure if it's a complete kit or if there will be an upgrade sprue to add to the existing kit.

There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters called Sagas, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC, but IMO much more fitting for SW, and very fluffy, in fact it is IMO one of the best ideas GW have had in ages. You choose "sagas" for your characters, perhaps someone with Saga of the monster killer (I made that name up by the way) may be better at killing monsters (high strength things) in some way, although there could be drawbacks to this as he may need to kill so many of such things per game to continue his saga......

Space Wolves gain access to an Assault Cannon Land Raider variant.

The current options for jump packs are going to change. BTW Jump Pack marines are called "Skyriders" in SW Codex.

Plastic Wolfguard Terminators; they are ambidextrous, ie they will have right and left handed weapons options like Stormbolters.

Are you going to repost the same every page?

BrookM wrote:Are you going to repost the same every page?

So long as it's updated, no problems. You going to moan every time?

UltraPrime wrote:

BrookM wrote:Are you going to repost the same every page?

So long as it's updated, no problems. You going to moan every time?

Not unless it pleases me in every way possible known to man or woman.

BrookM wrote:Are you going to repost the same every page?

Only when I update the first post. It's just easier that way.

This was posted in Spanish on BoLS, I'm trying to get this confirmed.

All the army will maintain the rule of countercharge and all but Bloodclaws will get the rule of shooting one-handed "but with something more special."

At first it seemed that they wanted to give full equipment like they did with other Codex (Bolter, Bolt Pistol and Close combat weapon) but at the end it seemed that they might opted because "any miniature with this rule, equipped with a bolter (disregarding Plasma rifles) could Rapid-fire and assault the same turno. So a big no.

Bloodclaws go with Weapons Skill 4 (it seems they keep Ballistic Skill at 3) and change their actual rule for furious charge.

Long fangs might seem pretty good. According to recent comments GW does not sell well nor devastorts nor Long fangs, so it seems logical thaty they would boost them incredibly. In addition of keeping their actual rule (able to divide fire into two units) the leader of the pack will give them, as well, the rule of stubborn. Of all the rumors available this is the one that I believe less

Wolf Guard will also be boosted greatly, but we only have at the moment one page with equipment configurations.

What was commented about a Bjorn of multiple 14 armor values (it is yet unknown if all of its armor will be as this, but the front side, count on it).

It seems that Ragnar will be someone to regard with care. In addition to his neat profile, his inclusion in an army will give it fleet and the unit in which he is joined will be granted with Rending claws and one extra attack. Considering the dates certainly the Codex will be released in October, it will be presented in the English Games Day, which will be available by that time.

Could we get someone who speaks Spanish to check the translation? BoLS

Yeah, it's like being kid at Christmas and it coming early this year!

Boogle at WS summed up the Spanish rumors

From the above I gather:

- All SW except Blood Claws seem to have True Grit as standard (as long as they carry Bolters), and can assault after shooting bolters.

- Blood Claws are WS4 and BS3, the lose the berserker charge and pick up Furious charge.

- Something about Long Fangs being better than they are currently, retaining Split Fire, but also allowing Relentless (Implacables)

- Still unknown if Bjorn is just 14 on his front armour or 14 all round

- Ragnar seems to offer +1A to the unit he joins on the charge

- October release date

All sounds very intriguing. If only DA had received the same kind of thought and attention (yes, I know DA whinges are getting tired, but still... )

EDIT - More fleet of foot Space Marines? Sigh!

Good gravy Batman! If half this stuff is true, I expect a lot of Space Wolves at Adepticon in April.

Fire bolters and charge? Wow.
Longfangs with Relentless? Wow.

My guess is Ragnar will be as popular with Space Wolves as Vulkan is with Space Marines (hurr!).

So this is the Hero Hammer that people are fearing?

Those rumors are getting me psyched, I might go out and start buying stuff for conversions now.

Although I'm still slightly on the fence about Bjorn. AV 14 on the front is still incredible for a dreadnought, but I don't know if I'd still run him over all other options if he didn't have AV 14 all around. There are some pretty mobile multi-meltas these days. Some speeder could swing around behind him and give him a pink slip. I expect him to take an HQ slot as well. Given some of the other options he might not be the most impressive out of even the top three.

BrookM wrote:So this is the Hero Hammer that people are fearing?

Some armies are just hero hammery.

They will all be pretty crazy good, but there won't be more than forty to fifty of these guys on the table at the most in any one game (2000 points).

Wow this makes me a happy camper as Space wolves were my first army!! Now I think I know what my true scale army will be!!!

i just hope with the wolf claws you have to choose before rolling to hit whether you're rerolling hits or wounds .... its just seems cheat'y if you can wait to see you rolled 6 1s to call which you are rerolling ... and i would prob not play anyone with spezz puppies with such a dumb cheat wargear lols ...

I have been playing wolves since rogue trader. These sound good it sounds like that did alot work in making them stand out. Hope these are true though. Keep up the good work guys and thanks for the inside skinny on things.

kill dem stunties wrote:i just hope with the wolf claws you have to choose before rolling to hit whether you're rerolling hits or wounds .... its just seems cheat'y if you can wait to see you rolled 6 1s to call which you are rerolling ... and i would prob not play anyone with spezz puppies with such a dumb cheat wargear lols ...

Knowing GW, it's probably after you see the rolls.

Hmmm looks to me to be a return to good old fashion Space Wolves.

I will be having a army of these indeed. But ive heard a silly little old rumour that they will be exempt from having Thunderhammers is it just me or am I going barmy.?

BOSS_PIMPALOTZ wrote:Hmmm looks to me to be a return to good old fashion Space Wolves.

I will be having a army of these indeed. But ive heard a silly little old rumour that they will be exempt from having Thunderhammers is it just me or am I going barmy.?

Those old rumors have been debunked! So the only real rumors are the ones presented from this point on.

I'm intrigued but withholding my enthusiasm until I see what all these additions actually cost. One of the current issues with Space Wolves is their points cost and I don't expect all of these goodies to come cheap.
I like the direction some of these changes seem to be going in though.

Blood Claws at WS4 BS3 with Furious Charge is good, wonder if they keep their rule that they have to charge at units within 6" if not led by a character. GW design might see that as enough of a weakness to mitigate point costs, but they shouldn't. Units with Furious Charge should be assaulting after all.

Not sure about trying to find away to keep a true grit like rule for the wolves, probably just to cynical to believe that GW can write it in any way that will avoid large amounts of confusion.

With no ability to buy additional squad members Long Fangs are less survivable than regular devastators, and stubborn won't really address that.

Wolf cavalry or wolf units are intriguing, but without new wolf models it's a problem. GW's current wolves are terrible and there aren't many manufacturers that I'm aware of producing wolves at a scale that wouldn't look ridiculous alongside Space Wolves.

BDJV wrote:Long fangs might seem pretty good. According to recent comments GW does not sell well nor devastorts nor Long fangs, so it seems logical thaty they would boost them incredibly. In addition of keeping their actual rule (able to divide fire into two units) the leader of the pack will give them, as well, the rule of stubborn. Of all the rumors available this is the one that I believe less

dietrich wrote:Longfangs with Relentless? Wow.

Grimhowl wrote:With no ability to buy additional squad members Long Fangs are less survivable than regular devastators, and stubborn won't really address that.

Lets talk Longfangs for a second here. Because I need to know a few thinks and ask a few questions of them.

Did Longfangs in the previous codex take a Heavy slot? What squad sizes could they be taken in only? Is it fives or sixes, or something similar? How many points does a Plasma Cannon or Lascannon cost to give to a Longfang in the old codex?

I have a feeling the Longfangs might get the treatment SMs got. You can add another man to the squad but you buy a base package first. It would make sense that way. But if for some reason there is a fluff concern I'm not taking into account they probably won't let them be taken in squad sizes outside of that number. Relentless for a heavy weapon touting team will be very good regardless. And if they are really trying to boost sales of Devastator kits the rules could mean something ridiculous like this.

Also, Devastator kits come with the bits to make 4 ofs of all the different loadouts a Dev squad can take right?

Edit: I also just thought of something. If one could get a squad layout like this:
5x Longfangs, 2x Plasma Cannon, 1x Lascannon (with Squad Leader that can split fire)
It would be incredibly effective in this environments metagame. The Plasma cannons can take care of hordes firing together to hit larger squads to get maximum effect or firing on squads that have been stranded from their transports. The Lascannon can be fired at any kind of AV 14 thing on the table, or barring that just try to strand squads from their transports to line up more Plasma Cannon fire. Also Tyranids would have to really fear a couple of squads like this, the Lascannon firing on the TMCs while the Plasma Cannons fire on the assault squads, like genestealers.

In the current (old 3rd edition) codex, long fangs are 4 marines and a sergeant, and can take 4 heavy weapons. They have acute senses and split fire as long as the 36 pt sarge is alive. They cannot add more men to the squad, weapons cost were similar to codex marines at the time, and they did cost a heavy slot.

For a few more points you could get a 4x heavy bolter Russ Exterminator with BS 4. So they tended to appear more if you needed lascannons. 13 company LF could trade heavy weapons for meltas and plasmaguns.


Anyway, it sounds like the list will be close to what I predicted earlier, with the exception of losing the Russ.

Durandal wrote:In the current (old 3rd edition) codex, long fangs are 4 marines and a sergeant, and can take 4 heavy weapons. They have acute senses and split fire as long as the 36 pt sarge is alive. They cannot add more men to the squad, weapons cost were similar to codex marines at the time, and they did cost a heavy slot.

Does the sergeant carry the heavy weapon that splits fire or does he simply have to be alive to have any different number of Longfangs split fire in any combo. Like a Plas Cannon, Lascannon, HB, and Multimelta. Sergeant carries one and can split the fire between two targets in any combo?

But still I can see 4x Longfangs, Sergeant w/ Lascannon, 2x Plasma Cannon could be a pretty prevelant combo. Take two squads of those and the new Assault Cannon Land Raider along with Bjorn that's going to be very tough to deal with for both hordes and mech lists.

According to Hoarmurel on Warseer "The spanish rumours from BoLS comes from my gameclub-hobbystore forum. There I posted rumours that i get from ANOTHER spanish forum, In that forum the rumours were presented as a rumour summary from Warseer... "

Which were taken from the now proven to be false rumors posted by Shadowphrakt.

So disregard the Spanish rumors!

BDJV wrote:According to Hoarmurel on Warseer "The spanish rumours from BoLS comes from my gameclub-hobbystore forum. There I posted rumours that i get from ANOTHER spanish forum, In that forum the rumours were presented as a rumour summary from Warseer... "

Which were taken from the now proven to be false rumors posted by Shadowphrakt.

So disregard the Spanish rumors!

lol

Typeline wrote:
Does the sergeant carry the heavy weapon that splits fire or does he simply have to be alive to have any different number of Longfangs split fire in any combo. Like a Plas Cannon, Lascannon, HB, and Multimelta. Sergeant carries one and can split the fire between two targets in any combo?

But still I can see 4x Longfangs, Sergeant w/ Lascannon, 2x Plasma Cannon could be a pretty prevelant combo. Take two squads of those and the new Assault Cannon Land Raider along with Bjorn that's going to be very tough to deal with for both hordes and mech lists.

They are not Tau suits, the sarge does not carry a heavy weapon. He directs the fire of the other four. You wouldn't be able to fit two LRs and two LFS without some extra heavy support slots or take the LRs as dedicated transports. Besides Space Wolves have always preferred the 12' zone. I suspect you would be better off with some Ultras with the play-style you describe.

Maybe GW will realize why no one fields Devs. They compete with Land Raiders for heavy support.

The fix? Longfangs become elites, or through taking a special character can occupy an elite slot. Sound like it could happen?

To quote something to encompasses everything concerning 40K codex releases:
"but with something more special."

All this sounds pretty sucky to me. Nothing to please the players who missed out on options by being tarred with the same brush (DA, Chaos) and including the parts that broke WHFB (VC, DoC), but hey sales are up

The saga thing for Wolf Lords sounds awesome.

Pity our 10,000 year old Horus Heresy veteran Chaos Lords and Sorcerers don't get something similar. All we get to do is whether we want to Lash or whether we want to lose the game. *yawn*

[EDIT]: Oh wait... I just remembered, the saga thing sounds like an awesome concept. Just like Doctrines and Traits were awesome concepts, executed horribly. Hmm... if anything it'll be good for stealing ideas for our own rules I 'spose.

It IS fairly strange that a 300-something year old Wolf Lord is stronger than a 10,000 year old Chaos Lord.

I really miss the demonic strength upgrade. And it's a bit weird that my berzerkers charge and hit at S5 while my khorne lord is S4.

Cheese Elemental wrote:It IS fairly strange that a 300-something year old Wolf Lord is stronger than a 10,000 year old Chaos Lord.

The chosen of Chaos get feeble in their old age.

All in all I'm loving these rumors. My Wolves will finally see the table again!

"I am Hrothgar the Invincible! Favoured Warrior of the Wolf Lord Troth. Saviour of the Convent on Nenva V. Liberator of Achmer Prime. Defender of the Kilgos Reaches. Slayer of the Nine Seers or Tanhath!"
"Yeah... I feasted on the bodies of dead Whitescars whilst I waited for the rest of my troops to breach the Emperor's palace. I'm also the reason why Bjorn's in a metal sarcophogus."
"Ha! But my titles grant me WS8, S6, more attacks than you and I swing first! DIE!"
*Chaos Lord dies*

fething Jervis...

Does Jervis suffer from some kind of selective amnesia? He doesn't seem to remember when Chaos was Chaotic. Nowadays, it seems that the most 'Chaotic' it gets is a random Daemonkin table.

No, Jervis just has a massive boner for the woofs as they are his favourite army in 40k ever.

H.B.M.C. wrote:"I am Hrothgar the Invincible! Favoured Warrior of the Wolf Lord Troth. Saviour of the Convent on Nenva V. Liberator of Achmer Prime. Defender of the Kilgos Reaches. Slayer of the Nine Seers or Tanhath!"
"Yeah... I feasted on the bodies of dead Whitescars whilst I waited for the rest of my troops to breach the Emperor's palace. I'm also the reason why Bjorn's in a metal sarcophogus."
"Ha! But my titles grant me WS8, S6, more attacks than you and I swing first! DIE!"
*Chaos Lord dies*

fething Jervis...

Loving the nerd-rage

You forget that time flows differently in the Eye. That Black Legion Chaos Lord might have been a loyal Son of Horus captain 2 weeks ago in his time.

Get ready for a lot of 'counts as' Space Wolf armies!

(I know I'll probably be building one!)

H.B.M.C. wrote:The saga thing for Wolf Lords sounds awesome.

Pity our 10,000 year old Horus Heresy veteran Chaos Lords and Sorcerers don't get something similar. All we get to do is whether we want to Lash or whether we want to lose the game. *yawn*

[EDIT]: Oh wait... I just remembered, the saga thing sounds like an awesome concept. Just like Doctrines and Traits were awesome concepts, executed horribly. Hmm... if anything it'll be good for stealing ideas for our own rules I 'spose.

Yes, this sounds suspiciously like Traits Mk.2. You know, traits, the thing that everybody lost. The names might have been different ( Doctrine/Trait/Demonic Gift ) but all filled the same function. And now they are bringing the system back ( provided that rumours are accurate )?

After re-reading the thread, I noticed the special wolf-riding character got the new 'wolf claws". I'm wondering if wolf claws are a special weapon only available to him, rather than a piece of wargear that can be purchased for any hero or sergeant.

In any case, I should finish painting my army just in time to retire some of the minis made obsolete by the new rules. woot!

Space Wolves were the first army I collected back when I gamed, if some of these rumours are true it might just get me back into the gaming side of the hobby! I know I'll definatly be buying some of the new models regardless!

BrookM wrote:No, Jervis just has a massive boner for the woofs as they are his favourite army in 40k ever.

But then why does he only play grey marines (Revilers / Relictors)?

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:No, Jervis just has a massive boner for the woofs as they are his favourite army in 40k ever.

But then why does he only play grey marines (Revilers / Relictors)?

Maybe he's waiting for the right moment? All I know is that in Standard Bearer and many conventions he always talks about how the woofs are his faves and how he wants to make them the ultimate good guys of the Imperium.

BrookM wrote:Maybe he's waiting for the right moment? All I know is that in Standard Bearer and many conventions he always talks about how the woofs are his faves and how he wants to make them the ultimate good guys of the Imperium.

Why is it that this comment fills me with nameless dread? ( Goes to dark corner to make offerings to Great Bthulhu, so that Jervis doesn´t feth up the SW Codex...)

A-P wrote:

BrookM wrote:Maybe he's waiting for the right moment? All I know is that in Standard Bearer and many conventions he always talks about how the woofs are his faves and how he wants to make them the ultimate good guys of the Imperium.

Why is it that this comment fills me with nameless dread? ( Goes to dark corner to make offerings to Great Bthulhu, so that Jervis doesn´t feth up the SW Codex...)

Phil is writing it for the most part IRC.

BrookM wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:No, Jervis just has a massive boner for the woofs as they are his favourite army in 40k ever.

But then why does he only play grey marines (Revilers / Relictors)?

Maybe he's waiting for the right moment? All I know is that in Standard Bearer and many conventions he always talks about how the woofs are his faves and how he wants to make them the ultimate good guys of the Imperium.

Oh, I'd forgotten about that. Yeah, he likes the SW Fluff, how they actually care about humans.

But his army is the Revilers / Relictors stuff. I think he just picks whatever codex he wants to test at the moment.

IM likin all the imperium love right know.
Screw xenos ha

BrookM wrote:Phil is writing it for the most part IRC.

That is a relief. But it is the "for the most part"-thing that still worries me.

I'm really looking forward to the new codex, I started repainting my Wolves a week or so before these rumours hit so it's given me a wee burst of incentive to finish all of them.

I'm not sold on the idea of Wolf Cav, but I guess I'll wait for the mini and background for them before I jump to any conclusions.

A-P wrote:

BrookM wrote:Phil is writing it for the most part IRC.

That is a relief. But it is the "for the most part"-thing that still worries me.

Don't worry. Robin Crudace will take care of the rest for you.

Just like he did for IG...

JohnHwangDD wrote:

A-P wrote:

BrookM wrote:Phil is writing it for the most part IRC.

That is a relief. But it is the "for the most part"-thing that still worries me.

Don't worry. Robin Crudace will take care of the rest for you.

Just like he did for IG...

Well, Phil did a great job on Planet Strike, so I've got a somewhat good feeling about this one. The sagas sound like a neat idea that adds character to your characters.

H.B.M.C. wrote:"I am Hrothgar the Invincible! Favoured Warrior of the Wolf Lord Troth. Saviour of the Convent on Nenva V. Liberator of Achmer Prime. Defender of the Kilgos Reaches. Slayer of the Nine Seers or Tanhath!"
"Yeah... I feasted on the bodies of dead Whitescars whilst I waited for the rest of my troops to breach the Emperor's palace. I'm also the reason why Bjorn's in a metal sarcophogus. But I spent the last 5,000 years getting busy with some daemonettes, basking in the adulation of my slaves, and running around screaming for blood, so I'm a little out of practice."

Fixed it for you.

Durandal wrote:

H.B.M.C. wrote:"I am Hrothgar the Invincible! Favoured Warrior of the Wolf Lord Troth. Saviour of the Convent on Nenva V. Liberator of Achmer Prime. Defender of the Kilgos Reaches. Slayer of the Nine Seers or Tanhath!"
"Yeah... I feasted on the bodies of dead Whitescars whilst I waited for the rest of my troops to breach the Emperor's palace. I'm also the reason why Bjorn's in a metal sarcophogus. But I spent the last 5,000 years getting busy with some daemonettes, basking in the adulation of my slaves, and running around screaming for blood, so I'm a little out of practice."

Fixed it for you.

I lol'd

When asked about Pack/squad size, Brimstone says that Space Wolves will be even less Codex Astartes than they were before.

A first look at the new Space Wolf miniatures, thanks to WS!



Even though the picture is blurry, these new miniatures are looking great! If you look closely the legs on the new miniatures seem to have lost the semi-squatting pose of the standard marine legs!

I am going to go crazy before the new Space Wolves codex is here!

That is probably because they're metal models. I shudder to consider the post-increase price...

ok i havent read this whole thread but i just got an email from GW saying Space wolves October with this pic

dont scream at me if already posted

Tasty.. now we need a picture of Bjorn the fellhanded!

JohnHwangDD wrote:That is probably because they're metal models. I shudder to consider the post-increase price...

Plastic actually.

Space Wolf Grey Hunter
This stunning Grey Hunter has been assembled using the forthcoming multi-part plastic box set; just one of the fantastic new Space Wolf sets coming in October!

like the head fits with the theme of my long haired nurgle army

Oh crap, that model has a pose that makes me want to start a marine force.

There will be, apparently, more updates --"tomorrow" but I'll believe it when I see it-- in the funky little new what's new today feature/blog that gW have added to the site.

....which I'm sure you all noticed. Way to push the new site features eh !

At last...
I lol...Winna

I guess that's now the biggest hint ever...

I stumbled upon this "blog" (what is it?!) at the start of the week but it hasn't really been that informative sadly. I did like the glimpse of some of the Studio Valkyries that they've been showing around, I'd love to see more of those.

If the Wolfguard termies will have that kind of nonsquatting, striding poses I'm going to die from win overdose.

Is this GW subtly jumping on the 'truescale' bandwagon, without having to admit that they kind of screwed up the whole thing at the start?

Spess Wellvs !

yay!

I was leaning towards using the CSM Codex to represent my Pre-Heresy force, but now, maybe I'll use the new SW Codex instead!

From the July 12 GW e-newsletter, here's the full text below. What I don't understand is why some people got this newsletter and some didn't. I got an e-newsletter about Planetstrike Bitz Packs but not the Space Wolves announcement. Someone I know got the Space Wolves newsletter but not the Bitz Pack newsletter. Weird!

Note that I omitted the photo of the new miniature because someone else already posted that above:

Incoming! Space Wolves

The Space Wolves were one of the first Space Marine Chapters founded by the Emperor; fierce and barbaric heroes of legend who charge fangs bared into the teeth of the enemy. In October, this Chapter of ferocious warriors is being re-launched with a brand-new Codex and range of Citadel Miniatures.

As a newsletter subscriber, we thought you should be among the first to catch a glimpse of the all-new Space Wolves.

Space Wolf Grey Hunter
This stunning Grey Hunter has been assembled using the forthcoming multi-part plastic box set; just one of the fantastic new Space Wolf sets coming in October!
Make sure you check out tomorrow's blog and the August issue of White Dwarf for more on the Space Wolves.

jamunition wrote:Spess Wellvs !

This should be our new cry for the Spess Wellvs!

It really shouldn't.

Those guys at Eavy'-plastic really need to learn how to paint....that miniature looks good, but the paint apps (even though its enlarged) look really amateur!

Like everything else painted up for their official pictures they have to look attainable to the average joe brushlicker.

The studio painters are all actually very very good. (Look up razza on cmon for an example)

Wayfarer wrote:Like everything else painted up for their official pictures they have to look attainable to the average joe brushlicker.

The studio painters are all actually very very good. (Look up razza on cmon for an example)

I wish this would be attainable for me, schepp brushlicker himself.

Yay for non squatting space marines!

Greets
Schepp himself

Typeline wrote:

jamunition wrote:Spess Wellvs !

This should be our new cry for the Spess Wellvs!

Or you could, I don't know, not type like a 6 year old?

So there will be a plastic Space Wolf box with non-squatting/longer legs in it? Are the torsos and arms still the old scale?

reds8n wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:That is probably because they're metal models. I shudder to consider the post-increase price...

Plastic actually.

Space Wolf Grey Hunter
This stunning Grey Hunter has been assembled using the forthcoming multi-part plastic box set; just one of the fantastic new Space Wolf sets coming in October!

Plastic? But where are the mold lines, seam gaps, and misaligned parts?

This must not have been assembled by a GW staffer...

Snap!

It was great to wake up and see a newsletter from GW with the new Grey Hunter. I must say I'm not a fan of that head at all, but I'm sure there are tons of other heads on that sprue that look much better.

My only problem is that I have 30 Blood claws, 30 Grey Hunters, and god knows how many Wolf Guard painted up, and don't really have much room for a new pack in the army. Unless I plan to go to Apocalypse sized gaming, that is. However, that statement about having "non-codex" pack sizes gives me hope that I can field a whole bunch of my pups.

Ok I've gone from "maybe getting back into gaming side of things" to "I am definatly getting back into gaming!" these new plastics are gunna be so much win!

For the wolftime!

Here's a truckload more rumours

OctoberLaunch (Confirmed [7/9])
- 2+ New Special Characters (probably Njal and Bjorn again. I think those were the 2 removed) (Bjorn Confirmed.
- 2+ New Units. One is possibly the 13th Company Wulfen Guard as an Elite.
- Long Fang's may get Slow and Purposeful Special Rule
- Full sized Codex (Confirmed)
- Possible removal of True Grit Army Special Rule.
- Possible removal of Leman Russ "Exterminator" (Confirmed)
- Blood Claws lose Berserk Charge (+2 charging attacks instead of +1) but gain Furious Charge (+1 I and S) [1/6/09]
- Rune Priest gains psychic powers but not the same as Librarian [1/6/09] (Apparently they get Storm Caller and Librarian powers)
- Fenris Wolf Packs count as Fast Attack Choice[1/6/09] (Confirmed. Conditions apply)
- Minor reduction to Long Fang points [1/6/09]
- Frost Blade unchanged [1/6/09] {False. According to sources its now the same as the Relic Blade. EDIT: unknown now due that its said Runic Weapons are the Relic Blade equal}
- Iron Priest may get Full-Servo Option [1/6/09]
- Grey Hunters may get Heavy Weapons added to squad [1/26/09]
- Get Ironclad option but Venerable is going to be cheaper like currently [1/26/09]
- Standard Space Marine Wargear: Frag and Krak Nades, Bolt Pistol, Bolter
Standard Chaos Wargear: Bolt Pistol, Bolter, CCW
Standard Space Wolves Wargear: CCW, Bolt Pistol, Frag and Krak Nades [1/26/09]
- Gain Land Raider Crusader and Redeemer but do not get Thunderfire Cannon [2/9/09]
- Removal of Wolf Guard Battle Leader [2/9/09]
- Wulfen Rune Priest may be available but can only have The Gate power. [2/9/09]
- If drop pods are taken, the whole army must take them.[4/29/09]
- Bjorn the Fellhanded has AV14 on all sides, better stats.[4/29/09]
- There is some mad Wulfen Character, who has his own personal drop pod. Can choose who he fights in combat. like a challenge in WFB. No-one else can fight him apart from the person hes attacking, unless said model is killed, in which case his squad can then attack him.[4/29/09]
- All rules for SC have been rebuffed - all of them can take terminator armour for +50 points.[4/29/09]
- All SC models are getting re-done, if not for the actual release then in subsequent releases.[4/29/09]
- Any character can take terminator for 50pts, which includes weapons.[4/29/09]
- Runic weapons believed to function as relic blades, but with something else quite snazzy.[4/29/09]
- Wolf Guard (in terminator armour) with lightning claws rack up 6 attacks on the charge each. A very broken thing to do (think this will be omitted from the final codex) is put them with Ragnar Blackmane, who gives them Fleet of foot and rending, though rending is unknown.[4/29/09]
- Individual wolf guard can replace squad leaders - all should look individual.[4/29/09]
- No model in the SW codex at all has the option to take a thunderhammer and storm shield.[4/29/09]
- Wolf Scouts won't be troops like in the current dex. Will for the most part be the same and have the option for the Land Speeder Storm [4/29/09]{Edit on 7/12/09}
All of the Following were added on 7/12/2009 based on the weekend of that.
- LC's are called Wolf Claws in the new codex, you can choose to either re-roll to hit or to wound.
- Canis Wolfborn is the new SW SC; He's riding a very big wolf in a not so weird way as that sounds. Let just say those bloodcrushers look like grots!!! Also Canis is power armoured and has 2 wolf claws. The wolf has some cybernetic bits on it.
- IIRC taking Canis also allows you to take two cav choices, 1 can be SW mounted on wolves, the other is just wolves.
- Njal Stormcaller returns to the Codex with a new model, holding a gnarled staff out before him.
- All special characters have been resculpted.
- There will be 2 main plastic kits, however 1 of them can be used to make pretty much every SW troop choice by combining the oooodles of spares on the sprues with normal vanilla marines kits (e.g. a box of devastators plus the extra from the sprues will make your Longfangs. IIRC there are around 30+ heads on the sprue!!! there may also be a special vehicle, but I'm not sure if it's a complete kit or if there will be an upgrade sprue to add to the existing kit.
- There's also a funky new way of kitting out your characters called Sagas, it is similar to the Vampiric Powers used by WFB VC, but IMO much more fitting for SW, and very fluffy, in fact it is IMO one of the best ideas GW have had in ages. You choose "sagas" for your characters, perhaps someone with Saga of the monster killer (I made that name up by the way) may be better at killing monsters (high strength things) in some way, although there could be drawbacks to this as he may need to kill so many of such things per game to continue his saga......
- Space Wolves gain access to an Assault Cannon Land Raider variant to replace the Leman Russ Exterminator. Redeemer may not be possible after all.
- The current options for jump packs are going to change. BTW Jump Pack marines are called "Skyriders" in SW Codex.
- Plastic Wolfguard Terminators; they are ambidextrous, ie they will have right and left handed weapons options like Stormbolters.
- All the army will maintain the rule of countercharge and all but Bloodclaws will get the rule of shooting one-handed "but with something more special."
- At first it seemed that they wanted to give full equipment like they did with other Codex (Bolter, Bolt Pistol and Close combat weapon) but at the end it seemed that they might opted because "any miniature with this rule, equipped with a bolter (disregarding Plasma rifles) could Rapid-fire and assault the same turno. So a big no.
- Bloodclaws go with Weapons Skill 4 (it seems they keep Ballistic Skill at 3) and change their actual rule for furious charge.
- Long fangs might seem pretty good. According to recent comments GW does not sell well nor devastorts nor Long fangs, so it seems logical thaty they would boost them incredibly. In addition of keeping their actual rule (able to divide fire into two units) the leader of the pack will give them, as well, the rule of stubborn. Of all the rumors available this is the one that I believe less.
- Wolf Guard will also be boosted greatly, but we only have at the moment one page with equipment configurations.
- It seems that Ragnar will be someone to regard with care. In addition to his neat profile, his inclusion in an army will give it fleet and the unit in which he is joined will be granted with Rending claws and one extra attack. Considering the dates certainly the Codex will be released in October, it will be presented in the English Games Day, which will be available by that time.

Oh and special thanx to the MW Union for bringing us these rumours

Bloodthirster wrote:Here's a truckload more rumours

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Oh and special thanx to the MW Union for bringing us these rumours

There are far too many contradictory rumours within that single post...

Many of those are very old.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

reds8n wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:That is probably because they're metal models. I shudder to consider the post-increase price...

Plastic actually.

Space Wolf Grey Hunter
This stunning Grey Hunter has been assembled using the forthcoming multi-part plastic box set; just one of the fantastic new Space Wolf sets coming in October!

Plastic? But where are the mold lines, seam gaps, and misaligned parts?

This must not have been assembled by a GW staffer...

They finally got someone that is GOOD with Photoshop to deal with those.

temprus wrote:They finally got someone that is GOOD with Photoshop to deal with those.

I lol'd!

So Space Wolves are to Space Marines as Ragnar is to Shrike...except better...

Will there be a Space Wolf Character that makes your Meltas and Flamers mastercrafted?

- It seems that Ragnar will be someone to regard with care. In addition to his neat profile, his inclusion in an army will give it fleet and the unit in which he is joined will be granted with Rending claws and one extra attack. Considering the dates certainly the Codex will be released in October, it will be presented in the English Games Day, which will be available by that time

whoa.

This will be brutal with 15 man squads.

Got an email today with a photo in of new spacewolf. Release in October, details on tomorrows blog and August WD


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General Mayhem wrote:Got an email today with a photo in of new spacewolf. Release in October, details on tomorrows blog and August WD

You did read this thread? No? OK...

Very little new in that huge wall of text, save the ideas that they'll boost Long Fangs' effectiveness, and Ragnar's army-wide fleet rule. Thanks for going through the effort of compiling the rumors though!

Fleet as a army wide special rule sounds fishy (not going to scream op or cheese, but you know).
Especially in an already combat orientated army. Maybe the pricetag will prevent this guy to be the leader of all wolf armies everywhere all the time.
Because that's what make games cool, you know, special characters and stuff.

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. Oh, there was a slight bit of sarcasm hidden in the post, maybe you can find it!

Schepp himself wrote:Fleet as a army wide special rule sounds fishy (not going to scream op or cheese, but you know).
Especially in an already combat orientated army. Maybe the pricetag will prevent this guy to be the leader of all wolf armies everywhere all the time.
Because that's what make games cool, you know, special characters and stuff.

Greets
Schepp himself

P.S. Oh, there was a slight bit of sarcasm hidden in the post, maybe you can find it!

"Maybe the pricetag will prevent this guy to be the leader of all wolf armies everywhere all the time."
That must be the sarcasm because GW prices the worst characters as the most points (phoenix lords, tigurius, calgar) and the better ones for less! :p

I like how the "Incoming! Space Wolves!" article is the same thing we got emailed yesterday. Unless they changed it since I posted this, that is: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=800011a

The only thing I can see when I look at this new model is the massive sideburns.

If GW maintained a degree of consistency across the years when releasing Codexes for the big four (i.e. Dark Angels, Blood Angels, Space Wolves & Ultramarines/Codex Chapters), I would be mildy interested in what was coming.

However, we know from experience that this Codex will bear absolutely no similarity to the next one. So what's the point?

Brother SRM wrote:I like how the "Incoming! Space Wolves!" article is the same thing we got emailed yesterday. Unless they changed it since I posted this, that is: http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=800011a

I agree it is essentially the same info, I think they were just trying to plug the GW blog.

Flashman wrote:However, we know from experience that this Codex will bear absolutely no similarity to the next one.

Not so!

The title will still be "Codex: Space Wolves", and there will still be fighty "Blood Claws", regular "Grey Hunters", veteran "Wolf Guard", and shooty "Long Fangs"...

Beyond that, one cannot say.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

Flashman wrote:However, we know from experience that this Codex will bear absolutely no similarity to the next one.

Not so!

The title will still be "Codex: Space Wolves", and there will still be fighty "Blood Claws", regular "Grey Hunters", veteran "Wolf Guard", and shooty "Long Fangs"...

Beyond that, one cannot say.

Oh snap! No wait, maybe not.

Could it be that they are loosing preferred enemies? If the latest DA codex is any indication both chapters have turned into a bunch of flower pickin tree huggers who are willing to forgive one another...

combatmedic wrote:Could it be that they are loosing preferred enemies? If the latest DA codex is any indication both chapters have turned into a bunch of flower pickin tree huggers who are willing to forgive one another...

In the GRIMDARK future of the 41st millenium, there is no forgiveness, ONLY WAR!

combatmedic wrote:Could it be that they are loosing preferred enemies? If the latest DA codex is any indication both chapters have turned into a bunch of flower pickin tree huggers who are willing to forgive one another...

It's probably more of a lose the rule and move it to background only. Kind of like what the new Dark Angels codex did with the fallen, losing the rule that could give them VPs and just making it a fluff deal.


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perplexiti wrote:

combatmedic wrote:Could it be that they are loosing preferred enemies? If the latest DA codex is any indication both chapters have turned into a bunch of flower pickin tree huggers who are willing to forgive one another...

It's probably more of a lose the rule and move it to background only. Kind of like what the new Dark Angels codex did with the fallen, losing the rule that could give them VPs and just making it a fluff deal.

The whole disliking each other should still be in the new codex, well I hope it is anyway.

Even with relentless, I see them being shot to death. I would have prefered an option that allowed Long Fang squads to purchase wolves (much like a HQ could in the old dex, with a minor exception that the wolves DON'T run away when the pack leader is killed).

Mastiff wrote:remind people why Space Wolves are the bee's knees.

And thus proving my point that only old people play Wolves.

I am 29 years young... damn your young whipper snapper hide!

perplexiti wrote:
Blood Angels also have:

Sanguinary Priests

Furioso Dreads

Elite Scouts

Veterans that are assault squads also in the elite slot

And troop choice assault squads as well.

Oh and different psyker powers.

So the difference is more than just two units, while this isn't as big a difference as SW and BT it's still,
IMHO significant.


Back OT, I like the sound of relentless LFs.
It means I could set them up hidden then move them out and shoot something, it would be nice to use them more often.

The only Sanguinary Priest is a Special Character, and I did not include those in my list.
Furioso Dreads are pretty much less armoured Ironclads. Not really unique.
Elite Scouts are no more unique than Troop Assault Marines - they're just something existing moved into a different slot.
Veteran Assault Marines are pretty much Vanguard Veterans in almost every way.
Different Psychic powers could easily be fused into a different codex.

And Adrian Smith still can't draw human beings normally even if his life depended on it.

ChrisAsmadi wrote:

perplexiti wrote:
Blood Angels also have:

Sanguinary Priests

Furioso Dreads

Elite Scouts

Veterans that are assault squads also in the elite slot

And troop choice assault squads as well.

Oh and different psyker powers.

So the difference is more than just two units, while this isn't as big a difference as SW and BT it's still,
IMHO significant.


Back OT, I like the sound of relentless LFs.
It means I could set them up hidden then move them out and shoot something, it would be nice to use them more often.

The only Sanguinary Priest is a Special Character, and I did not include those in my list.
Furioso Dreads are pretty much less armoured Ironclads. Not really unique.
Elite Scouts are no more unique than Troop Assault Marines - they're just something existing moved into a different slot.
Veteran Assault Marines are pretty much Vanguard Veterans in almost every way.
Different Psychic powers could easily be fused into a different codex.

This arguement belongs in a different thread please, thanks, have a nice day.

wyomingfox wrote:Even with relentless, I see them being shot to death. I would have prefered an option that allowed Long Fang squads to purchase wolves (much like a HQ could in the old dex, with a minor exception that the wolves DON'T run away when the pack leader is killed).

Yep, I agree with you here. The problem with Long Fangs is the lack of ablative armour. Although the new option to move may help get off at least one round of shooting (I hope).


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combatmedic wrote:

Mastiff wrote:remind people why Space Wolves are the bee's knees.

And thus proving my point that only old people play Wolves.

...and young people lack a sense of irony.

combatmedic wrote:And thus proving my point that only old people play Wolves.

I had an argument against this point, but I forgot it. Now get off my internet you dag-gum punks. I just watered it.

Old people have more money. Trust me. I can outspend young GW hobbyists. So they should cater to me in tough times.

Now that would be cool, grizzled old fullas with some howling beasties surrounding them laying down suppressing fire. That's a great idea.

wyomingfox wrote:Even with relentless, I see them being shot to death. I would have prefered an option that allowed Long Fang squads to purchase wolves (much like a HQ could in the old dex, with a minor exception that the wolves DON'T run away when the pack leader is killed).

Relentless heavy weapons squads?

Drop Pods.

While survivability was their main 4e problem, as a SW player who has never had any desire to field them, if they were reasonably costed and had Relentless, I'd use them all the time in a Drop Pod list. I'm already experimenting with Drop Pod Devastators in vanilla SM lists, Relentless Long Fangs would make them a no-brainer.

However, I'd be very surprised if they actually get that rule.

It would fit with the 'all drop pods, all the time' thing that has been rumored for the wolves.

I hope Leman Russ tanks are still in their list. I know the rumor says otherwise, but that would make the difference for me playing them or not. Its just such a strong part of how I've visualized them.

aka_mythos wrote:I hope Leman Russ tanks are still in their list. I know the rumor says otherwise, but that would make the difference for me playing them or not. Its just such a strong part of how I've visualized them.

Well if not I'm gonna have a go at a counts as somethin' else conversion, maybe a razorback? Just 'cos I had a Leman Russ in my first Space Wolf army and for nostalgia's sake I'm gunna start by building that force again and it wouldn't be the same without some form of Leman Russ chasis!!

ubermosher wrote:

combatmedic wrote:And thus proving my point that only old people play Wolves.

I had an argument against this point, but I forgot it. Now get off my internet you dag-gum punks. I just watered it.

Heheh

dienekes96 wrote:Old people have more money. Trust me. I can outspend young GW hobbyists. So they should cater to me in tough times.

Word.

Alpharius wrote:

dienekes96 wrote:Old people have more money. Trust me. I can outspend young GW hobbyists. So they should cater to me in tough times.

Word.

+1

Now about this assault cannon landraider is it 3 twin linked or one twin linked and 2 singles if it is the former if the later

Man that thing is gonna have assault cannons comin' offa other assault cannons, like, all over. Like, mo than a dozen. Word. Kids be all like, "man I wish rendin' didn't get nerfed, this tank pwns."
But really, it'll probably be 3 sets of twin linked ones. Singles don't seem impressive enough.

The hounds are calling!!
Can't wait
I just Pray that GWS seriously works on current models like Ragnar Blackmane and Njal Stormcaller and so forth

Railguns wrote:Man that thing is gonna have assault cannons comin' offa other assault cannons, like, all over. Like, mo than a dozen. Word. Kids be all like, "man I wish rendin' didn't get nerfed, this tank pwns."
But really, it'll probably be 3 sets of twin linked ones. Singles don't seem impressive enough.

It's assualt cannons have assault cannons so it can kill you while it kills you!

I feel a "Yo Dawg, I herd you liek assault cannons" imagine coming up..

BrookM wrote:I feel a "Yo Dawg, I herd you liek assault cannons" imagine coming up..

That's pretty much the image I had floating around in my head... lol!

grimbrandt wrote:

BrookM wrote:I feel a "Yo Dawg, I herd you liek assault cannons" imagine coming up..

That's pretty much the image I had floating around in my head... lol!

Good call!

I'm actually looking forward to it.

(Why isn't it already here?!?!?)

BrookM wrote:And Adrian Smith still can't draw human beings normally even if his life depended on it.

Which is why they need to kidnap Mark Gibbons and make him start drawing for them again.

combatmedic wrote:
And thus proving my point that only old people play Wolves.

And heres me disproving it. Seriously though, they cant still be banging on about no THs can they? It makes no sense, Mjolnir was the original TH after all.
It'll be good to have Bjorn and Njal back, not sure about this new guy but hey, the more the wolfier!

BrookM wrote:I feel a "Yo Dawg, I herd you liek assault cannons" imagine coming up..

Aaaaah! Hilarity!

I'm glad the Space Wolves are getting a reboot here.

I'm happy that it's looking that they'll get some options making them a distinctive flavor.

I'm glad it also appears at first glance that they're getting some options that give them some "power"...possibly making them competetive.

I'm glad that GW will be selling tons of new models with this rehash.



Now lemme tell you why in my opinion, this codex is stupid.

Is ANOTHER LR varient really necessary? THIS soon? ...and an ASSAULT CANNON varient? I'm sorry but it really just strikes me as not only dumb, but rather redundant with the crusader around (assuming it doesnt just simply make the Crusader obsolete)

So I guess every space marine chapter from here on out is going to get their own Land Raider? (except DA of course) Or every Marine codex gets a new LR varient? Look out Blood Angels, go ahead and be ready to see your Plasma Raider varient...its coming. Two twin linked plasma cannons and a double stacked twin linked plasma gun on the center mount.

I dont like it, but that is the least of the silliness that we will soon call Space Wolves.

My main beef...Fenris Wolves.

First, they were nothing, just extra models to paint up along side ragnar to take into battle. This is as it should've been, I mean, they're dogs, standing next to a marine....I dont think a marine that can throw a volkswagon at you needs some flea-bitten mutt nipping at your heels for "help".

Next, we had the 3e codex, now we give those dogs a statline and special rules that help their master in combat. Well...hmmm...Okay, we'll let that slide.

Then, we had Eye of Terror, now we're starting to get stupid here. We've got packs of trained attack dogs that are as strong, skilled, tough, and as resolute as full blown space marines in combat...just no power armour. Oh yea, and they were faster (and cheaper). I mean, they're "Wolves" right? ( I cannot talk too much more here as I used to use 45 of them in my 1850 army...they were that good )

Now we have a giant space marine who stands 8' tall clad in ceremite armour....RIDING THEM? Can we please stop calling them wolves now...they're not wolves anymore. They're like doghorses or something. WTF do Space Marines need cavalry for anyway when they've got tanks and grav technology.

Dumb.

Have fun with your codex though, glad you got "what you wanted". /facepalm

So I guess every space marine chapter from here on out is going to get their own Land Raider? (except DA of course)

Dark Angels and any and every kind of Chaos Marines. Except for the fun of adding cool Chaos themed decor to one's Land Raiders, Chaos Marine players are still playing only with the same basic version rules-wise they've had since Rogue Trader.

I swear if wolf riders are "bloodcrusher" awesome and you can have armies of them somehow....

"shakes head"

karnaeya wrote:

You forgot the pintle mounted assault cannon. And the assault cannon exhaust stacks. And Assault cannon headlights. Oh yeah, don't forget the coaxial twin-linked assault cannons for the smoke launchers.

The wolf riding unit is the one rumor, I have the least faith in so far.


I can completely buy a SC riding a Wolf, but a unit of them seems iffy at best. Although I have no doubt that the info was given to Hastings with complete sincerity.

Actually, I take it all back, this is a great friggin idea...I thought about it for a few minutes and heres some of the cool Ideas I thought of....

I've always wanted to do a space marine chapter called the Blue Lobsters...it just sounds cool to me.

What I'm going to do is go to the dollar store, and get some plastic lobster toys, so I can have my space marines riding Lobsters into combat....backed up by assault cannon Land Raiders of course. Thats the theme, Lobsters and assault cannons. Cool Huh?

Then there is always the opportunity to stick with the space wolves, but why stop at a Space Wolf riding a giant wolf? Why not have a Wulfen character riding the giant wolf. I mean, how awesome is that? You could even have a basic space wolf marine riding on the wulfen's shoulders...then you'd have a wolf, riding a wolf.....riding a wolf! Awesome!! Make that Giant Wolf riding a bike and then maybe you can reach that Valkrie in close combat.

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Oh yea, and I dont wanna hear anymore fluff about how a Space Wolf's rite of passage is killing a Fenris Wolf...it's just not that impressive anymore.

"But they're really ferocious!", you say?

Yea, so ferocious that they can be tamed and ridden as mounts.

Big deal, give me a Rambo Knife and I'm pretty sure I can walk up to a horse and kill it. It might jack me up a bit in defense before it trys to run away, but I'm fairly sure that I'd have a good chance of surviviing the encounter AND killing the horse...and I have a bad back and am a couple pounds chunkier than I'd like.

Do we need any more proof why Wolf-riders are dumb?...or shall I go on?

(hehe, this is fun)

Deadshane1 wrote:Actually, I take it all back, this is a great friggin idea...I thought about it for a few minutes and heres some of the cool Ideas I thought of....

I've always wanted to do a space marine chapter called the Blue Lobsters...it just sounds cool to me.

What I'm going to do is go to the dollar store, and get some plastic lobster toys, so I can have my space marines riding Lobsters into combat....backed up by assault cannon Land Raiders of course. Thats the theme, Lobsters and assault cannons. Cool Huh?

will you be counting the lobster arms as powerfists? if you need some cheap bits, there's a discount chinese buffet by me that does lobster and crab sundays. i'm going there this weekend and could eat the meat from a few claws and sneak them out in a bag to take home for you. obviously, you'll have to reimburse me for shipping.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

BrookM wrote:And Adrian Smith still can't draw human beings normally even if his life depended on it.

Which is why they need to kidnap Mark Gibbons and make him start drawing for them again.

I agree, all of the art he did out of the 2nd ed Wolves codex is, IMHO alot better than most of the art they've got around now.

But I'm starting to get more interested about the upcoming release, gonna have to save some bucks I think.

And I like the sound of relentless LF's jumpin out of a Drop Pod using it for cover and blassting a couple of tanks or squads....

Deadshane1 wrote:Do we need any more proof why Wolf-riders are dumb?...or shall I go on?

(hehe, this is fun)

please go on, this is great stuff

...and then there are all the cool diorama's that wolf riders give to potential Golden Daemon winners.

Giant Wolf humping a carnifex's leg
Sniffing around looking for places to poop (with those snarly faces while 'doing the deed')
Wolves chasing Rhino's (instead of dogs chasing cars)
Then there is the soon-to-be-popular cyber wolf with an assault cannon coming out of his mouth (to go with the land raiders of course)

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Grow up guys.

Funny that the only person I see winging is you...

UltraPrime wrote:

Deadshane1 wrote:<snip>

Grow up guys.

Funny that the only person I see winging is you...

Who's winging....heck, I'm not even whining!

I love it.

It's fun to make fun of a codex that is completely ridiculous. Not unbeleivable in a Sci-Fi game, but RIDICULOUS.

Space Wolves used to be cool beer drinking Viking Space Marines. Now they're dog riders with an assault cannon fetish....I.E. Clown Marines. funfunfun.


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Salamanders-riding cold ones
Blood Angels-riding giant Bats (they ARE Vampires after all)

I hear there is a Space Shark Codex coming out soon too! GUESS WHAT.....!

seems like a lot of complaining about something thats not even out yet. Your whining a bunch of RUMORS are ridiculous. Yeah, they usually are.

Deadshane1 wrote:I hear there is a Space Shark Codex coming out soon too! GUESS WHAT.....!

Marines riding sharks with twin-linked multilasers.

Sigh, somebody had to say it....