most likely they were trapped somewhere waiting to return to the universe.

The two missing legions are perhaps a remnant of the passage between Rogue Trader and the present background fluff.

Many say that one of the dissapeared legions are the Firehawks, the ones that are now Legion of the Damned, but I don't think so at all.

Truth is that the two Legions have their datas erased and could happen for different meanings, but I doubt that even with tech failures all records got lost. So... they simply betrayed in a so horrible way that the Emperor simply decided to erase their presence. This has not been done for the Chaos traitors, so I think that the two legions betrayed the Emperor in a different way... and way worst than with the Chaos Gods.

Another idea is that the Grey Knights could be a first founding chapter.

And books are not canon stuff, so let's not think that they are completely right. Many times what is written in there, is not even close to what can be read in the various Codex that got out from GW since Rogue Trader.

KOS wrote:Another idea is that the Grey Knights could be a first founding chapter.

And books are not canon stuff, so let's not think that they are completely right. Many times what is written in there, is not even close to what can be read in the various Codex that got out from GW since Rogue Trader.

Grey Knights were founded in secret after the Horus Heresy, and from what I understand, the Horus Heresy books have been given their blessing from Games Workshop, and just about everything in the Black Library (as I understand it) can also be considered canon.

As for Codices, they can actually often be considered as unreliable sources of information. They often go out of date, for one, and are also written with a slant, usually by the Imperials, or by the concerning race.

I thought Captain Garro of the Death Guard founded the Grey Knights.Can someone confirm this?

penut the butter wrote:I thought Captain Garro of the Death Guard founded the Grey Knights.Can someone confirm this?

Only the Emperor himself could confirm whom he ordered to become the first Grey knights.

The loyalists of the traitor-legions may got this job.

I see.

SilverMK2 wrote:I've not really read anything about it, but it would certainly be interesting if one of them turned out to be the proginator of the Orks... I can't remember off the top of my head how widespread the Orks were during the Great Crusade, or if they had been encountered prior to the creation of the Primarchs.

Though perhaps when GW finishes bring everything up to date they will introduce them into the fluff.

Accually its in the HH novels that the orks were around back then

wow what?two lost LEGIONS...thats about 100,000 marines???And noone knows how they got lost...OR ANYTHING ELSE ABOUT THEM???kinda unlikely..

Skinnattittar wrote:

KOS wrote:Another idea is that the Grey Knights could be a first founding chapter.

And books are not canon stuff, so let's not think that they are completely right. Many times what is written in there, is not even close to what can be read in the various Codex that got out from GW since Rogue Trader.

Grey Knights were founded in secret after the Horus Heresy, and from what I understand, the Horus Heresy books have been given their blessing from Games Workshop, and just about everything in the Black Library (as I understand it) can also be considered canon.

As for Codices, they can actually often be considered as unreliable sources of information. They often go out of date, for one, and are also written with a slant, usually by the Imperials, or by the concerning race.

Are you sure that they can be considered canon ? I've often heard that Black Library books were just fluff that had nothing to do with GW and the canon.

I don't know who the second primarch is, but the eleventh is obvious. I'll give you some hints...

1. GW doesn't have the copyright claim to him.
2. He's apparently stronger than the other ones (Well, I guess that's an opinion).
3. He fell to Chaos.
4. ELEVEN.
5. Yin-Yang.

Chuck Norris?

Ha.

Malal, the fifth chaos god (the hints 2 and 3). His colors are black and white (hint #5). His number is 11 (#4). There is a copyright dispute between the creator of Malal and GW (#1). He is the god of "Chaos' indiscriminate slaughter, even towards itself." Isn't that a way of saying he's the god of self-loathing? Because if he was captured and warped by Chaos, but was still loyal to the Emperor, wouldn't he hate himself, and Chaos? Maybe he was travelling through the Warp, and the pod broke? Maybe the Emperor was ashamed because Malal had no choice, so erased his record so noone would know. Think sort of like "Soul Drinker's." Excommunicate, but still loyal to the Emperor. With these clues, the only "unknown" primarch that we have clues on are on the possibility of Malal being the Eleventh. It's the only real evidence so far.

Apparently, there is mention of the 2 lost legions in the BL Audio Book "The Lightning Tower".

Posted by ph34r in another thread in News and Rumors:

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/The_Dark_King_-_The_Lightning_Tower_(Audio_Book)

EDIT: hmm, I could have sworn that link used to contain more information. In any case, the 2 missing legions are described in the book by "Their separate tragedies had seemed like aberrations. Had they, in fact, been warnings that no one had heeded?"

So, it looks like something befell the 2 missing legions, but still, afaik, no specifics.

may have awaken a necorn world or did they get all owned by a C'tan or something worst? no one will ever really know, only the gw high council does. But thats the point for us to make our own legion. Hell there are 21 primarchs Omega is real. Hell my chapter may be decsended from one of the lost legions.

"Possible Connection to the Thousand Sons Legion

The Blood Ravens' dark secret may be that they have descended not from one of the Loyalist First Founding Chapters but from the Thousand Sons Legion, as before the Horus Heresy the Thousand Sons may have copied and modified their gene-seed and left the new gene-seed on Mars for the tech-priests to use to create new Space Marine Chapter. This would mean that the Blood Ravens Chapter is not a Successor Chapter but is technically one of the First Founding Chapters.

In the Black Library book Dawn of War: Ascension, it is revealed that the ancestors of the Blood Ravens built a recruiting world on top of an ancient Necron outpost during the Heresy, with the help of the Eldar. The two races worked in unison, using Eldar magic and psychic wards to lock the Necron force lying beneath the sands in psychic stasis. The Heresy Era Blood Raven Marines were then tasked with protecting this outpost by the Eldar, to seal in the Necron threat, but they mysteriously abandoned it. It was left unrecorded in Imperial logs until the Blood Ravens rediscovered it. The Eldar mistook the Blood Ravens for being one and the same as the Heresy Era Marines, as they too wore similar red power armor.

The physic lock the Marines placed on the Necrons shows that the Marines of that time could not have been Blood Angels, and the Thousand Sons already share a bond with the Blood Ravens because both groups of Space Marines were defined by the possession of unusually strong psychic powers.

In the novel Battle for the Abyss, a Thousand Sons marine shouts "Knowledge is Power!" as a battle cry, suggesting a connection to the Blood Ravens.

In the novel A Thousand Sons by Graham McNeill a vision is seen by Ahriman describing a future image of blood and a raven, and a remembrancer psyker attached to the Thousand Sons has a vision of "...The Ravens, I see them too! The lost sons and a Raven of Blood. They cry out for salvation and knowledge, but it is denied!" (p.430) This may imply that the Blood Ravens are descended from the Thousand Sons' gene-seed. If the Thousand Sons are not the origin of the Blood Ravens geneseed, then GW is clearly throwing out a multitude of red herrings. "