I adore the fact that everyone seems to militarize as soon as the word apocalypse is mentioned. Its a good indication of just how deeply ingrained the American equation of military and safety is.
Actually, dogma: my parents set me up this way for when the Americans come to kill the rest of us. Which is why I have all these toys already. A zombie apocalypse would actually be less threatening.
In this case, to clarify: the petard I refer to above is also the type called a swivel gun, trap gun, or spring gun rather then a gate breaker.
dogma wrote:No one has listed a lock picking set, or OBD-II tool. Both of these are more important than any weapon I can think of.
Nah. You can shoot the locks out of a door.
BaronIveagh wrote:True. But I'm not staying for a siege. Mobility is a major asset against zombies.
This is fact.
dogma wrote:I adore the fact that everyone seems to militarize as soon as the word apocalypse is mentioned. Its a good indication of just how deeply ingrained the American equation of military and safety is.
I suppose we should talk things over with the Zombies? Form committees to discuss how eating our brains would hurt our feelings and would frankly be unnecessary due to the high protein content in Tofu and Lentils?
Hiding and moving away from them is all well and good, but you need to be prepared if there's a Zombie between you and what you need or where you need to go.
Better to have it and not need it and all that jazz.
Dogma, assume, for a moment, that I'm not entirely insane and use the detcord on every door I come across. I do believe in the right tool for the right job. However, I also believe in keeping weight for a minimum. Sledges and axes are multi purpose.
In addition: a trap gun is a good idea: it server two purposes. the first to alert you to the threat. the second to shoot that threat, and if not kill, at least weaken it.
Besides, I already have it, I might as well use it.
Monster Rain wrote:I suppose we should talk things over with the Zombies? Form committees to discuss how eating our brains would hurt our feelings and would frankly be unnecessary due to the high protein content in Tofu and Lentils?
Hiding and moving away from them is all well and good, but you need to be prepared if there's a Zombie between you and what you need or where you need to go.
Better to have it and not need it and all that jazz.
That's entirely the point of my critique. People are ignoring everyday solutions to problems in the apocalyptic world in favor of more weapons, or things that go boom.
dogma wrote:No one has listed a lock picking set, or OBD-II tool. Both of these are more important than any weapon I can think of.
I listed bolt cutters > lock picks becuase they dont require training/practice- and are alot quicker. And any security door that cant be taken down with a large hammer- likely has a multi-pin lock that cant be picked by someone thats not an actual locksmith with the proprietary tools. With alot of modern construction- its easier to go through a wall rather than try to defeat a security door Lock picks are quiet, but take time. So, its situational really.
The OBD reader is a good call, but i'd rather stick with something thats pre-electronic ignition since they can be jury-rig repaired easier(and some of us can still properly gap a set of points!). Although, the modern flex fuel types and diesels that can run on veggie fuel might work well too. And despite generally being small(hence not good for running over zombies)- the hybrids that can run on electric only might be useful since theyre so damn quiet- and they have AC outlets and could be handy for recharging batteries and powering other appliances. Sort of like a multipurpose mobile generator.
BaronIveagh wrote:Dogma, assume, for a moment, that I'm not entirely insane and use the detcord on every door I come across. I do believe in the right tool for the right job. However, I also believe in keeping weight for a minimum. Sledges and axes are multi purpose.
In addition: a trap gun is a good idea: it server two purposes. the first to alert you to the threat. the second to shoot that threat, and if not kill, at least weaken it.
Besides, I already have it, I might as well use it.
Still more weight to carry. You should be able to reduce your pack to no more than 20 pounds.
Monster Rain wrote:I suppose we should talk things over with the Zombies? Form committees to discuss how eating our brains would hurt our feelings and would frankly be unnecessary due to the high protein content in Tofu and Lentils?
Hiding and moving away from them is all well and good, but you need to be prepared if there's a Zombie between you and what you need or where you need to go.
Better to have it and not need it and all that jazz.
That's entirely the point of my critique. People are ignoring everyday solutions to problems in the apocalyptic world in favor of more weapons, or things that go boom.
My survival plan doesn't really involve needing to open locks. I live in the sticks, man. If I need to break into a house or business there's plenty of windows and stuff to go through. My main concern is self defense, since I'm confident in my ability to live off the land. That's why I'm more interested in implements of Zombie Killing.
I've thought this through, long before this thread ever existed. Have you?
Mistress of minis wrote:
The OBD reader is a good call, but i'd rather stick with something thats pre-electronic ignition since they can be jury-rig repaired easier(and some of us can still properly gap a set of points!).
I would too, but I consider functionality to be more important than preference. I know that in any place that I've lived in the past 10 years it would be very difficult to track down a pre-OBD vehicle. Additionally, those vehicles which utilize conventional ignition tend to be very poor when it comes to fuel economy. I'd take a '10 Toyota over an '80 Bronco any day.
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Mistress of minis wrote:At 20 lbs- youre not carrying hardly any water or food. Or thats all you're carrying.
BaronIveagh wrote:... that's why I'm moving around in a M-35 or BTR-40... and not, say, walking. I've done infantry. It sucks.
Mistress, that's why the M-35 deuce and a half is your friend. It's simple, straight forward, and can burn damn near anything.
Good luck acquiring the BTR 40, there arent too many stateside, and finding even basic parts would cripple it at the first breakdown. I reaize its russian and durable, but theyre still a 50 or 60 year old vehicle.
The deuce isn't a bad choice- can always up-armor it to make it zombie resistant. Its just a bit of a hog on the fuel side.
Those tires are damn hard to get to go flat. I'd make a point to pull a trailer with some spare parts.
BRDM2 (sometimes designated BTR-40P-2)
The statement about spare parts goes double, since the gaz engine will be hard to get parts for after everything goes to gak. (PLAN AHEAD) However, for those of you OUTSIDE the us, 45 countries use them in military and police roles, and the gaz engine used in them is more common in eastern europe. However, she's roomy enough inside to carry quite a bit, has full NBC sealing and is fully amphib.
She also requires gasoline.
Mind you, most people I know that have them keep parts on hand. Avoid the BTR-40a. Go for the later models.
@monster rain: HE won't do much to Z. Willy pete will work though. And what wishlist? I can make one phone call and have T-72s and all sorts of other armored delivered to my door. I already own most other items in my list.
@Dogma, she's too tall. Z will tip that baby over.
That depends. No system is perfect, and sacrifices must be made. The MaxiMog fulfills every requirement I have except lateral stability. I accept the ability to be flipped given that I would expect to be able to counter it through intelligent positioning and forethought.
BaronIveagh wrote:Why on earth would I want to leave a trail for anyone to follow? I'd be up to my ass in useless deadweights in no time.
*sigh* I completely dissagree, I feel the only thing that would really keep me sane was that if I was with someone I could protect and vice versa. I'd more or less pretty much be walking with an very small army cause if you walk with me, unless your like 5 years old or 100 years old, you will carry a gun and follow orders.
My kit would be :
Name(yea I'd drop my name and change it to my created personality) Nikev Sism (cause who the hell is going to be intimidated by "My name is Kevin Sims." over *as I point my weapon* "Nikev Sism, state your business or move along"....Yea...Exactly.)
Clothing
one of the two military canvas jackets I have possibly blue jeans but I'd likely pack shorts for those extra hot days. a hat that i painted black and resembles a commissar hat(yea this would work well as an intimidation aside from looking bad-ass) some new-balance sneakers and I'd pack a pair of wolverine work gloves and my leather work gloves(Incase I have some wire or something I need to move)
Tools
pick axe its in the not the greatest condition but I've patched it and it works pretty good, its lightweight and has a good swing. some little thing that my dad has that is used to start sparks for fires .......yea I suck in this area...I'd probably be better off if it happend, then I'd probably know what to bring.
Weapons(YEA!)
If my family survives I'd probably be down to me and my pops to keep the fam safe =/ considering my brother is actually a little afraid of firearms....and he's in his 20's *facepalm* damn him, least he'd be the pack-mule
12-gauge shotgun with as far as I know very little shells 410 with very few shells a machete a few axes pick axe(doubles as a tool and weapon XD) BB Gun (Yea I know...almost useless but hey, its lighter than a lot of crap, and distractions XD) Sword like weapon
Supplies
We'll definitely have to find a water filter. We have big pots that we'll probably use as filters =/ whatever is deemed needed I guess
AHA! First to add this one!
Skills to add to the group
Stealth (I'm not the greatest but I'm better than some people) Decent Leadership (To a Degree I can be very Charismatic)
Wow I'd only probably be good at the combating stuff.....Well I guess that makes me good for raids. XD
HOLY CRAP YOU GUYS CAN FILL A PAGE!!!!!!!!! Jeez I wasn't really typing that long =/
besring wrote:Well I would grab all the metal poles and heavy tublar things in my garage and head to my local tesco. Clear it of zombies and block the doors. Then wait to be saved by the army
then wait to be saved by army
army saved
more like napalm bombed or killed or left to rot or sent to work camps to decreace risk of trasmission
Word.
Take it from someone who had this discussion one day (for the hell of it) for Sgt's Time Training.... If Zombies in any form broke out, Uncle Sam in all his various forms (Army, Jarheads, Chair Force ect ect) will be more conentrated on stopping and isolating the infection then evacuating and saveing civies. I guarantee that if the Army managed to contain the infection in a major city.. lets say New York... We wouldn't even think twice about turning it into a massive parking lot if it ment stopping the infection from spreading across the US/World.
BaronIveagh wrote:Why on earth would I want to leave a trail for anyone to follow? I'd be up to my ass in useless deadweights in no time.
*sigh* I completely dissagree, I feel the only thing that would really keep me sane was that if I was with someone I could protect and vice versa.
Oh. So... you need other people to help you maintain sanity?
Huh. I actually get further from sanity the longer I'm around other people. I start picturing what they'd look like... never mind, you'll have nightmares.
On armor: yes, that is preferred. Particularly if you're fixing one in the field. Older gear, such as the willy's MB, is simpler to operate/fix (hell the willy's is 'car' distilled down to only it's vital parts) however, many of these would offer little to no protection in a Situation Z. However, many manuals are available. It doesn't beat real world training or experience, but it's better then nothing.
Oh. So... you need other people to help you maintain sanity?
Huh. I actually get further from sanity the longer I'm around other people. I start picturing what they'd look like... never mind, you'll have nightmares.
I'm actually quite curious about how that sentence will end....
Well, If I was alone, I'd most likely begin to give myself a valid reason to live. Other than just to survive. I'll do fine on my own, I'd just prefer the company. I'd make me feel more like I had a purpose. Plus, I'm still just a kid, I'm only 17, I don't know that much. Most of ya'll know all this stuff which would leave me in the dust. But If I was alone I'd probably adapt....or just link up with my Military crazed friend.....*Facepalm* but please don't make me travel with him :( Chances are I WILL shoot myself if I have to travel with him.
Oh. So... you need other people to help you maintain sanity?
Huh. I actually get further from sanity the longer I'm around other people. I start picturing what they'd look like... never mind, you'll have nightmares.
I'm actually quite curious about how that sentence will end....
No, trust me, I've been told by professionals to keep that sort of thing to myself. Though, in this one case, I kept picturing this one employer of mine being crucified, then flayed while he was still alive, and then sprayed with vinegar...
O......ur talking about sacrificing to nurgle in hopes he'll make you immune to his disease........yea....not to be rude but I think I'd follow the professional opinion on that and not let people know what I'm thinking about when I look at them......
If we're talking about machines we think we could get....I'd at least have some air conditioning and get to giggle like a trigger happy loon till the ammo ran out.
Dillon happens to be a local company too, and some of the demos Ive got to go to are awesome.
If we're talking about machines we think we could get....I'd at least have some air conditioning and get to giggle like a trigger happy loon till the ammo ran out.
Dillon happens to be a local company too, and some of the demos Ive got to go to are awesome.
Needs a brass catcher, and that possibility of it rolling seems a bit high. Also, a chaingun is a waste of ammo against zombies.
BaronIveagh wrote:Oh, no, it had nothing to do with diseases or zombies. He was just an donkey-cave.
Ah....well thats cool then...who doesn't think about sacrificing those they hate to the gods...........Imperial Followers.......
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Mistress of minis wrote:
If we're talking about machines we think we could get....I'd at least have some air conditioning and get to giggle like a trigger happy loon till the ammo ran out.
Dillon happens to be a local company too, and some of the demos Ive got to go to are awesome.
Needs a brass catcher, and that possibility of it rolling seems a bit high. Also, a chaingun is a waste of ammo against zombies.
I agree about the chain gun and rolling...but If I don't have a vehicle and you somehow get near me......could you pick me up XD jk jk I'd rather be on foot than in an SUV.
If we're talking about machines we think we could get....I'd at least have some air conditioning and get to giggle like a trigger happy loon till the ammo ran out.
Dillon happens to be a local company too, and some of the demos Ive got to go to are awesome.
Needs a brass catcher, and that possibility of it rolling seems a bit high. Also, a chaingun is a waste of ammo against zombies.
Brass falls inside- which means you keep it for reloading. If ya grabbed a Dillon minigun, grabbing a Dillon reloading rig would be stop #2.
And against a large mass of zombies- a minigun would be pretty effective. Also handy against hostile people- one burst would make most people crap their pants and proceed to fallback off the table edge There are better options- but something like this would get you through the first month or so while everything is going crazy-which is when you would most likely need the force multiplier a minigun represents.
The thing is you cant always avoid people. Im fairly isolated in a small town- but is the masses decide to get out of phoenix theres only so many roads.
Its not lightly armored lol- those things are sold to south american and arabian governments for executive protection duties. Its not the tank that the presidential limo is, but theyre pretty solid. And since the turret hides down- most people will just see a SUV. Your options are both bigger and noisier and are more likely to ask for a rocket :p
It does somewhat shock me that you American types are so easily swayed towards the “get the guns” militarisation. Being from the land without guns, I would be far more tempted to hide than to fight, but even with guns in every house, I don’t see a massive bonus in loading up with a million guns and heading out – you can only use one gun at a time anyway. I’d probably, if I had the choice, take something long/mid range (such as some kind of semi-auto rifle) and then something for close range house clearing/fall back, like some kind of mid sized pistol.
Most of my carrying capacity would be reserved for foods, water and other essential equipment. However, since I am in the UK and guns are not all that common (though they are more common than many might think – I know at least 5-6 places I can definitely get modern guns within a 60 mil radius, and there are probably about 100 others if you count farms etc where people have shotguns, as well as all the places that I don’t know).
Having said that, my first goal will be to out run and out think the zombies, rather than to fight them. I would attempt to hole up in my flat for as long as physically possible with my wife (it will depend on how much food I had in as to how long this would be). I live in a flat, so it is pretty safe. I may also attempt to gather together the rest of the people in the building and attempt to destroy the bottom sets of stairs, but that may attract more zombies than could easily be handled, so straight out hiding may be best.
When I ran out of food, I would head over to the supermarket over the road and load up on tinned and dried food (this step may be skipped if there are lots of zombies). I’d then head to the hardware store next door and get some gas cans, cooker, axe, blot cutters etc and chuck them in the car. Then I would drive to one of the supermarket exchange hubs about 7 miles down the road (it is on a secluded industrial estate, although the estate is quite close to a large town) and hold up in there – all the food and goods I could want. Also near to a big postal office, so it is possible I could get in there and try and find some specialised equipment – but the chances are remote.
I would hold up in there until the position became worse, then I would attempt to head for one of the castles that has been highlighted, possibly either (as it is more likely to have people in it, and a pretty good quality of life), or I would head to the coast and attempt to make it over to one of the mid sized islands there are all over the place, and again which will probably have people on.
When zombies are encountered, my strategy would be to run and/or hide. If I came across guns, so be it, but I will not go out of my way to get them unless the situation is really desperate.
I'm American, and I'm not "Gun Crazy" or going for military.
Tho my plan involves guns, they aren't heavy firepower like some peoples, and they are for defence only.
Also, if anybodies read any zombie fiction or seen zombie movies, the military never solves anything or gets through the outbreak.
The Walking Dead(comic): As far as I know, no one has come into contact with even ex military types. (only on volume 4 tho.)
28 Days Later: The military has survived, but only scattered pockets, and they are pretty messed up too.
28 Weeks Later: Military retakes a small island, but eventually falls to the renewed onslaught of zombies.
I know there are some exceptions (Shaun of the Dead), but the vast majority seems to be they fail utterly.
Golden Eyed Scout wrote:I'm American, and I'm not "Gun Crazy" or going for military.
Tho my plan involves guns, they aren't heavy firepower like some peoples, and they are for defence only.
What else would they be for?
Golden Eyed Scout wrote:
Also, if anybodies read any zombie fiction or seen zombie movies, the military never solves anything or gets through the outbreak.
The Walking Dead(comic): As far as I know, no one has come into contact with even ex military types. (only on volume 4 tho.)
28 Days Later: The military has survived, but only scattered pockets, and they are pretty messed up too.
28 Weeks Later: Military retakes a small island, but eventually falls to the renewed onslaught of zombies.
I know there are some exceptions (Shaun of the Dead), but the vast majority seems to be they fail utterly.
Golden Eyed Scout wrote:I'm American, and I'm not "Gun Crazy" or going for military.
Tho my plan involves guns, they aren't heavy firepower like some peoples, and they are for defence only.
What else would they be for?
Golden Eyed Scout wrote:
Also, if anybodies read any zombie fiction or seen zombie movies, the military never solves anything or gets through the outbreak.
The Walking Dead(comic): As far as I know, no one has come into contact with even ex military types. (only on volume 4 tho.)
28 Days Later: The military has survived, but only scattered pockets, and they are pretty messed up too.
28 Weeks Later: Military retakes a small island, but eventually falls to the renewed onslaught of zombies.
I know there are some exceptions (Shaun of the Dead), but the vast majority seems to be they fail utterly.
They pull through in The Mist!
Many people are listing police or military grade fire power and plans of keeping constantly on the move, which would put them, constantly into contact with zombies, meaning they are for attack,
where as a .22 is being used for hunting or defnding an area against a small number of enemies.
SilverMK2 wrote:It does somewhat shock me that you American types are so easily swayed towards the “get the guns” militarisation. Being from the land without guns, I would be far more tempted to hide than to fight .
Pah Hiding is for the French. I thought Brits were made of sterner stuff?
Frazzled plan is simple. Go home. Someone knocks on door shoot hole through door with 12 gauge. Wife asks if I have heard about zombie attack and I reply "what zombie attack?"
A .22 is actaully a really good gun. When a good enough scope is mounted on it, it becomes a formidible weapon to do damage.
My plan would involve me acting as a sniper for defence, which gives me a commanding field of view on a tower.
Using that view, I can put a round in a zombies brain, either through the eye or the forehead.
Gun Crazy is a pretty loaded term (If you know what I mean :p). In the states we pretty much have rights to own guns, there are tons of exceptions, more then most people even realize but for the most part defending one self is a basic freedom we have and some of us even practice.
What I can't believe is the number of people that aren't prepared for ANY kind of disaster already, and no not for zombie attacks, even for basic natural disasters. Everyone here it seems has stated that WHEN it happens "I will go out..." but if everyone goes out at once... Canned foods can be kept almost anywhere and take up minimal room, generators are cheap and easy to find (when there is not a crisis going on), bottled water, First Aid (training takes like 6hrs, but most people will never bother). The people who never prepare for these things are the ones that turn a disaster into a tragedy as they loot and destroy everything around them in a blind panic because they don't know what to do. I would encourage you keep some kind of firearm at your disposal, the people who care the least about anyone panic the worst at times like these.
Water is no concern cause I have a creek in my garden that I can easily hang a pump with filter in (which I have in the pond).
My garden is very defensible.
I have a compound bow and crossbow with plenty of arrows and bolts. And lots of stuff that can easily be converted to weaponry.
SilverMK2 wrote:It does somewhat shock me that you American types are so easily swayed towards the “get the guns” militarisation. Being from the land without guns, I would be far more tempted to hide than to fight .
Pah Hiding is for the French. I thought Brits were made of sterner stuff?
You can't hide forever. When you have to go out for water or a roll of toilet paper you might have some zombies to deal with.
Commissar NIkev wrote:Dude the Mist wasn't Zombies! It was Other worldly Monsters.
Lol if the Mist happened.......REPENT REPENT! THE END IS NIGH! Thats when I'd really loose it! I'd go full blown insane and take the personality of a character I had created and go around as him,screaming and shouting as I shout Dawn of War quotes and charge the nearest monsters.
Do you remember the monster close to the end that looked like the Monster from the Evil Campaign on Kingdom Under Fire?
The very end of the movie is the part that stuck with me. What the guy did, and the fact that it wasn't even necessary.
Yea...that action was completely uncalled for!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I kinda laugh at how stupid he was now, but at the time I was like WTF!!!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARTARD!!!!!!!
Do you remember the monster close to the end that looked like the Monster from the Evil Campaign on Kingdom Under Fire?
The very end of the movie is the part that stuck with me. What the guy did, and the fact that it wasn't even necessary.
Yea...that action was completely uncalled for!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I kinda laugh at how stupid he was now, but at the time I was like WTF!!!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU ARTARD!!!!!!!
The film "The Mist" ends in a much different manner than the book (short story really) that it's based on,and I feel the film ended the way it did in an attempt to get a "knee jerk" shock from the audience...personaly I think it failed.
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Monster Rain wrote:
BaronIveagh wrote:
Golden Eyed Scout wrote:I know there are some exceptions (Shaun of the Dead), but the vast majority seems to be they fail utterly.
Am I the only one who's ever watched the original black and white Night of the Living Dead?
No, I saw it. It's overrated, but I saw it.
Overrated? ...ReallY?...Night of the Living Dead is one of the most ground breaking horror films of all time,it may not be a slick piece of CGI gak,full of high dollar effects and consumer friendly action,but FFS,NotLD literaly kicked open the door for the modern horror film.
1) Discretion is the better part of valor. Live to fight another day. If I had to fight, I would fight as hard as I could. But when you are vastly outnumbered or otherwise engaged in asymmetrical warfare, the English know when the pick their battles.
2) The ending of The Mist was rewritten by the American Media to have a more AMERICUH FETH YUR!!!11117 ending. The original short story has a far better ending, with none of your armed forces in sight. Also has the US Army at fault for the whole thing (I can't remember off the top of my head if it does in the film, as it has been a while since I saw it).
3) I've seen the original Night of the Living Dead. It is really good. I love the ending/credits roll.
I've seen a few versions of the film - Can't remember which ones though. Which they would stop remaking the "living dead" films as it gets really confusing
Go make newer, better ones (and avoid making rubbish like the last few have been - return to the roots!).
Golden Eyed Scout wrote:I know there are some exceptions (Shaun of the Dead), but the vast majority seems to be they fail utterly.
Am I the only one who's ever watched the original black and white Night of the Living Dead?
No, I saw it. It's overrated, but I saw it.
Overrated? ...ReallY?...Night of the Living Dead is one of the most ground breaking horror films of all time,it may not be a slick piece of CGI gak,full of high dollar effects and consumer friendly action,but FFS,NotLD literaly kicked open the door for the modern horror film.
I'm not looking for CGI, I'm looking for well directed scenes that make sense which NOTLD lacks. I thought the directing was pretty bad as far as "poking at the zombies through the window with your gun barrel instead of shooting at them" and I'm looking for believable characters that have some attempt at development. Nowhere did I indicate that The Mist was better than that movie, as you seem to be implying.
I get that it was groundbreaking. It's just not very well done as a film.
Edited for having trailed off in a drunken stupor.
Monster Rain wrote:A .22 isn't going to do enough structural damage to a zombies head. You need stopping power.
It will actually. It used to be the weapon of choice for the mob. Hey if it takes a few shotsw no big deal. Its a .22Lr. Anyone shooting .22LR has hundreds of rounds laying around. Its why you get that round-they are dirt cheap.
The problem is that you have to get really close with .22LR. (and the mob uses them because they're hard for ballistics to match up and it's nearly impossible to trace the sale of ammo) Ideally inside of three feet.
When dealing with Z, I prefer to keep at least 25 yards between me and them, if possible. For closer encounters, 12-gauge is also really plentiful.
BaronIveagh wrote:The problem is that you have to get really close with .22LR. (and the mob uses them because they're hard for ballistics to match up and it's nearly impossible to trace the sale of ammo) Ideally inside of three feet.
When dealing with Z, I prefer to keep at least 25 yards between me and them, if possible. For closer encounters, 12-gauge is also really plentiful.
If by really close you mean 50 yards then you're right on. SOTD / NOTLD level zombies are slower than molasses in january. It won't be an issue. I have lots of LPs.
BaronIveagh wrote:Eh.... 50 yards is in theory. I'll still stick with John Hopper's advice: 'never shoot a man in the head with a small caliber handgun'.
Since he shot a french Chief of Police in the head at three feet and it didn't penetrate.
.38 is about as small as I go.
Though I do have a .69 single shot laying around that it's easy to get ammo for...
Again this is the zombie games smallbore bullseye competition. .22LR scoped for the distance. .22LR pistol bullseye for short
You're thinking of the zombie games 3 gun heavy metal competition (iron site .308 or better rifle, iron sight shotgun, iron sight .45) and zombie IDPA, and Zombie old west shooting. Those are different competitions.
We don't cotton to no wussies who can't shoot in the zombie games.
Frazzled wrote:
Again this is the zombie games smallbore bullseye competition. .22LR scoped for the distance. .22LR pistol bullseye for short
You're thinking of the zombie games 3 gun heavy metal competition (iron site .308 or better rifle, iron sight shotgun, iron sight .45) and zombie IDPA, and Zombie old west shooting.
Um, fraz, no offense, but in zombie games, iron sites are far superior for situational awareness then scope.
And the .69 would be old East shooting. Them newfangled percussion caps are for wussies.
Frazzled wrote:
Again this is the zombie games smallbore bullseye competition. .22LR scoped for the distance. .22LR pistol bullseye for short
You're thinking of the zombie games 3 gun heavy metal competition (iron site .308 or better rifle, iron sight shotgun, iron sight .45) and zombie IDPA, and Zombie old west shooting.
Um, fraz, no offense, but in zombie games, iron sites are far superior for situational awareness then scope.
And the .69 would be old East shooting. Them newfangled percussion caps are for wussies.
Well scoped smallbore is a given class. Heavy precludes scopes but also precludes tactical scopes (aimpoints) and such.
I'll take Old West Zombie shooting vs. flint shooting. Thats two 18th Century for my taste. I preferred the 19th century myself.
Now that I think about it, we should have a special 40K 3 gun competition. We can dress the zombies in our favorite xenos outfits.
BaronIveagh wrote:The problem is that you have to get really close with .22LR. (and the mob uses them because they're hard for ballistics to match up and it's nearly impossible to trace the sale of ammo) Ideally inside of three feet.
When dealing with Z, I prefer to keep at least 25 yards between me and them, if possible. For closer encounters, 12-gauge is also really plentiful.
You seem not to be paying attention to my posts. .22 Long RIFLE. Fired from a RIFLE. Which means you get plenty of distance against a zombie, and scopes allow you to make it much more accurate.
BaronIveagh wrote:The problem is that you have to get really close with .22LR. (and the mob uses them because they're hard for ballistics to match up and it's nearly impossible to trace the sale of ammo) Ideally inside of three feet.
When dealing with Z, I prefer to keep at least 25 yards between me and them, if possible. For closer encounters, 12-gauge is also really plentiful.
You seem not to be paying attention to my posts. .22 Long RIFLE. Fired from a RIFLE. Which means you get plenty of distance against a zombie, and scopes allow you to make it much more accurate.
You do realize that match pistols can also shoot .22LR, right?
that said: No. Your effective range with a .22 is too limited (100 yards at most, the the bullet can travel further, she looses too much power by that point). .30-06 Springfield is almost as common and much more effective.
Against the Zombie hoard, THIS is your only true friend:
Though 7.62 nato is quickly catching up, I doubt that we'll see it supplant the .30-06 for a few decades on the civilian market. At least, not around where I live.
BaronIveagh wrote:The problem is that you have to get really close with .22LR. (and the mob uses them because they're hard for ballistics to match up and it's nearly impossible to trace the sale of ammo) Ideally inside of three feet.
When dealing with Z, I prefer to keep at least 25 yards between me and them, if possible. For closer encounters, 12-gauge is also really plentiful.
You seem not to be paying attention to my posts. .22 Long RIFLE. Fired from a RIFLE. Which means you get plenty of distance against a zombie, and scopes allow you to make it much more accurate.
You do realize that match pistols can also shoot .22LR, right?
that said: No. Your effective range with a .22 is too limited (100 yards at most, the the bullet can travel further, she looses too much power by that point). .30-06 Springfield is almost as common and much more effective.
Against the Zombie hoard, THIS is your only true friend:
Though 7.62 nato is quickly catching up, I doubt that we'll see it supplant the .30-06 for a few decades on the civilian market. At least, not around where I live.
I haven't seen a 30-06 in some time actually. Seen multiple .308s and 300 magnums. 30-06 old school!
22LR is cheaper. Take your time and shoot them. Dude they walk about a foot an hour. Again, its illegal to user higher bores in the Zombie small bore competition. Come on, don't be a cheater!
Something done Mythbusters style where we make air cannons or a catapault.
Zombie bowling- see how many Z's your machine can bowl over.
Z-Launch- make a machine that can safely retreive and lauch a Zombie(s). Major bonus points for making it full auto or belt fed!
Zombie Power!! Make a useful machine that runs on Zombie power!
And a general zombie question- why dont they ever put a helmet on the zombies? stick a full face motorcycle helmet on em and theyre not a slobbery biter anymore. Or just stick a kevlar bag on thier heads! Could make a loop stick to do that.
ZWE: Zombie Wrestling Entertainment. Watch as ANdre the Giant, Chris benoit, Owen hart, and all your unded favorites battle each other for championship gold.
ZFC: Zombie Fighting Championship. Like UFC, but against zombies.
Mistress of minis wrote:Lets build zombies with Tesla coils in their heads! Then you set them loose amongst the other zombies and watch the light show.
Didn't the Nazi's have those in Castle Wolfenstien?
Fraz... wait, are we talking NotLD zombies or 28 days later zombies?
Golden Eyed Scout wrote:I know there are some exceptions (Shaun of the Dead), but the vast majority seems to be they fail utterly.
Am I the only one who's ever watched the original black and white Night of the Living Dead?
No, I saw it. It's overrated, but I saw it.
Overrated? ...ReallY?...Night of the Living Dead is one of the most ground breaking horror films of all time,it may not be a slick piece of CGI gak,full of high dollar effects and consumer friendly action,but FFS,NotLD literaly kicked open the door for the modern horror film.
I'm not looking for CGI, I'm looking for well directed scenes that make sense which NOTLD lacks. I thought the directing was pretty bad as far as "poking at the zombies through the window with your gun barrel instead of shooting at them" and I'm looking for believable characters that have some attempt at development. Nowhere did I indicate that The Mist was better than that movie, as you seem to be implying.
I get that it was groundbreaking. It's just not very well done as a film.
Edited for having trailed off in a drunken stupor.
Hmmm,I can see what your getting at concerning NotLD,alot of the acting is a bit "wooden",and most of the characters are there simply to fill an A guy B guy role,and yes,many of the scenes where quite "stagey",however even Romero admits he (and the others involved) had only the barest idea of what they were doing while making the film.
I still consider it quite an important film,both for the doors it opened in the horror genre,as well as being one of the first films to feature an African American in a "lead/hero" role,in 1968 this was no small thing.
Also,sorry for any confusion if you thought I implied you belived/indicated the Mist was a better film,if I did,it wasn't my intentions to do so.
Golden Eyed Scout wrote:ZWE: Zombie Wrestling Entertainment. Watch as ANdre the Giant, Chris benoit, Owen hart, and all your unded favorites battle each other for championship gold.
ZFC: Zombie Fighting Championship. Like UFC, but against zombies.
Zombie Wrestling would be about the same- jsut less slowed 'Im gonna beat so & so down blah blah'
And ZFC would be like watching slowed drunks fight. Thats pretty easy to find if youre over 21
Maybe we make remote control zombies- and fight them that way? like with cameras on their heads so its like a FPS
Golden Eyed Scout wrote:ZWE: Zombie Wrestling Entertainment. Watch as ANdre the Giant, Chris benoit, Owen hart, and all your unded favorites battle each other for championship gold.
ZFC: Zombie Fighting Championship. Like UFC, but against zombies.
Zombie Wrestling would be about the same- jsut less slowed 'Im gonna beat so & so down blah blah'
And ZFC would be like watching slowed drunks fight. Thats pretty easy to find if youre over 21
Maybe we make remote control zombies- and fight them that way? like with cameras on their heads so its like a FPS
Admit it tho. It would be funny to see Owen try and lock the Sharpshooter in with his rotting, destroyed flesh against Andre the Giant's mostly rotted away corpse.
By ZFC, i mean one uninfected against an infected zombie. Pretty much anything goes for the human tho: No eye gouging, fish hooking, hair pulling, or biting.
The zombies can go for anything.
if you lose your bout, guess the next week's newest competitor in zombie Bantamweight class?
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I haven't seen the Mist, but from what i've heard, I'm better off sticking with NOTLD.
Prolly one of my fav movies, despite the wooden characters and acting, the (now) cliched story, and the unrealisticly horrid special effects. (Chocolate syrup.)
Golden Eyed Scout wrote:I know there are some exceptions (Shaun of the Dead), but the vast majority seems to be they fail utterly.
Am I the only one who's ever watched the original black and white Night of the Living Dead?
No, I saw it. It's overrated, but I saw it.
Overrated? ...ReallY?...Night of the Living Dead is one of the most ground breaking horror films of all time,it may not be a slick piece of CGI gak,full of high dollar effects and consumer friendly action,but FFS,NotLD literaly kicked open the door for the modern horror film.
I'm not looking for CGI, I'm looking for well directed scenes that make sense which NOTLD lacks. I thought the directing was pretty bad as far as "poking at the zombies through the window with your gun barrel instead of shooting at them" and I'm looking for believable characters that have some attempt at development. Nowhere did I indicate that The Mist was better than that movie, as you seem to be implying.
I get that it was groundbreaking. It's just not very well done as a film.
Edited for having trailed off in a drunken stupor.
Hmmm,I can see what your getting at concerning NotLD,alot of the acting is a bit "wooden",and most of the characters are there simply to fill an A guy B guy role,and yes,many of the scenes where quite "stagey",however even Romero admits he (and the others involved) had only the barest idea of what they were doing while making the film.
I still consider it quite an important film,both for the doors it opened in the horror genre,as well as being one of the first films to feature an African American in a "lead/hero" role,in 1968 this was no small thing.
Also,sorry for any confusion if you thought I implied you belived/indicated the Mist was a better film,if I did,it wasn't my intentions to do so.
First of all, I bear you no ill will.
I totally agree that it was a groundbreaking film. Even if NoTLD had never existed, George Romero would be my hero for Creepshow! I understand the racial aspect, but still... if you were in the same situation and saw a posse approaching, wouldn't you say something? Something like:
"Hey! I'm not a Zombie! Zombies don't communicate! Hey! Definitely not a Zombie! How 'bout them Yankees?!"
Indeed,I've often wondered why "Ben" didn't yell something along those lines "Hey! Mister rescue people!I'm not a zombie!!! no need to make with the shooting!"
Then I wonder if Romero,in his genius,just wanted a " There is no hope." ending.
I then wonder if,because they were in a rural area,and because he was a Black man,and it was 1968,would the "rescue party" have shot Ben anyway?
Then I wonder if I do to much wondering.
Indeed,I've often wondered why "Ben" didn't yell something along those lines "Hey! Mister rescue people!I'm not a zombie!!! no need to make with the shooting!"
Then I wonder if Romero,in his genius,just wanted a " There is no hope." ending.
I then wonder if,because they were in a rural area,and because he was a Black man,and it was 1968,would the "rescue party" have shot Ben anyway?
Then I wonder if I do to much wondering.
I had the exact same quandary. Then I listened to Opie and Anthony interview him and Romero didn't have much of an answer for that question himself. Good movie, watchable a few times just because it's a quantum leap forward for horror flicks, but not a great movie based on it's own merits as far as plot and direction are concerned.
Still, I think that Romero should get an Oscar at every ceremony for Creepshow. "I want my cake, Bedelia!"
Those in the US lameting the lack of medieval castles to sit in might have a chance after all, thanks to Disney.
Sleeping Beauty Castle may be made of fake materials, but the walls are concrete faced and should hold against zombies. The walls are just about tall enough, though I sdont know if they extend properly around tha back.
You would need to clear all the drapery hanging down and around and repaid the drawbridge mechanism. I think the towers are fake too.
Indeed,I've often wondered why "Ben" didn't yell something along those lines "Hey! Mister rescue people!I'm not a zombie!!! no need to make with the shooting!"
Then I wonder if Romero,in his genius,just wanted a " There is no hope." ending.
I then wonder if,because they were in a rural area,and because he was a Black man,and it was 1968,would the "rescue party" have shot Ben anyway?
Then I wonder if I do to much wondering.
I had the exact same quandary. Then I listened to Opie and Anthony interview him and Romero didn't have much of an answer for that question himself. Good movie, watchable a few times just because it's a quantum leap forward for horror flicks, but not a great movie based on it's own merits as far as plot and direction are concerned.
Still, I think that Romero should get an Oscar at every ceremony for Creepshow. "I want my cake, Bedelia!"
I agree whole heartedly concerning Creepshow,it's one of my personal favorites,and every time I watch it it just get's better and better,the dialouge is priceless.
" $200.00 dollars for a broken meteor...you must be joking.".. A great film.
Orlanth wrote:Those in the US lameting the lack of medieval castles to sit in might have a chance after all, thanks to Disney.
Sleeping Beauty Castle may be made of fake materials, but the walls are concrete faced and should hold against zombies. The walls are just about tall enough, though I sdont know if they extend properly around tha back.
You would need to clear all the drapery hanging down and around and repaid the drawbridge mechanism. I think the towers are fake too.
I wouldnt be caught (un)dead in it though, but it might well be better than a mall.
Maby but mot by much i don't think the "Imagineers" ever thought of it being used for that purpose, plus the pink would just make you even more down than a normal survivor would be as it screams happy little kids at you 24/7
Mistress of minis wrote:Lets build zombies with Tesla coils in their heads! Then you set them loose amongst the other zombies and watch the light show.
Didn't the Nazi's have those in Castle Wolfenstien?
Fraz... wait, are we talking NotLD zombies or 28 days later zombies?
NOTLD. 28 days later zombies are just people with an illness. Shuma might have the ACLU after me post zombie games for violating their rights.
Actually, there are several castles in the US that have been built for people like wealthy SCA members.... which is frightening that they have THAT much disposable income...
EDIT: There would be happy little kids, however, they'd be snapping and biting just at the base of the wall, drooling after human flesh...
Not unlike what they do at Disney now, actually...
I would go to my farm(that is in a rural area)where I have a bulldozer and a couple tractors. i would take my trailer and hook it up to the back of the tractor(the tractor is faster than the bulldozer and it can outrun a zombie if i put the pedal to the medal), and then i would attatch lots of metal plating to the tractor and trailer. i would also take my Polaris Ranger (basically a heavy duty golf cart) and add armor to it and put it on the trailer. Me and my father have roughly 25 shotguns, several pistols, a couple highpowered hunting rifles, scythes, sledgehammers, shovels, crowbars and much more. I would then put any strong, healthy survivors in the trailor and give them weapons to defend us. i would ride around the country side pillaging buildings until i reached any superstores like costco, walmart, etc. that i would stay in until the food supply in them ran out, and move on to the next one.
BaronIveagh wrote:Actually, there are several castles in the US that have been built for people like wealthy SCA members.... which is frightening that they have THAT much disposable income...
EDIT: There would be happy little kids, however, they'd be snapping and biting just at the base of the wall, drooling after human flesh...
Not unlike what they do at Disney now, actually...
I have been reading about them since you mentioned them. Castles must cost a lot to build to look anything possibly resembling authentic.
fallen_wolfborn wrote:I have a question. Are gamers moe likely to survive than the average joe/jane?
My answer....HELL TO THE YES GOOD SIR!!!!!!!!!! In my opinion Gamers would know more of what to expect. having spent countless hours playing videos games and daydreaming about sifi stuff I wouldn't be surprised if people began to look for Gamers for Leadership.\
Of course I didn't list the ups and downs so yea....there are ups and downs. =/
Mistress of minis wrote:AA-12's arent even in production yet, where do you plan on finding them? And empty they weigh 11 lbs, almost 15 when loaded with a drum. Undisciplined fire control means you and your buddies will be out of ammo on day one or two, because shot gun ammo is heavy you cant carry/haul much with you.
For me, I'd take over one of the nearby super max prisons. Use the non infected inmates to clear out the infected in exchange for freedom. Larger prisons have generators, medical facilities, very solid security measures, armories with a moderate amount of ammunition, tools/workshops- and a water source. People forget most municipal water supplies are gonna end once the lights go out.
Don't forget that prisons also have 1-6 different layers of high fences that (I'm guessing) zombies wouldn't be able to climb! (note: this idea taken from a weird comic book series my friend had me read called "the walking dead")
As for me, I'd release my inner pyro and BURN IT ALL!!!!!!!!! AHHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! So basically, I make explosives/ incendiaries and a flamethrower or two. Oh, and also take my hunting rifle and drive to North Dakota ( ) and barricade a prison or a supermarket in a small town, preferably.
If im honest about the whole thing, i really really wouldnt want to live in a world filled with the undead. So, providing it was an apocalypse scenario as opposed to an outbreak, id go into my garage, grab my favorite sledge hammer, pick up somoe molotovs and go out on the town >.>
probably cap myself somehwere inaccessable if its clear im gonna die?
BaronIveagh wrote:Not really. Most of them know, intellectually, what to do, but are not likely to be physically fit enough to survive.
Also: Being dangerously genre savvy is a virtual guarantee that you will be the first one to die.
well....then I speak for myself cause I know I'm physically fit enough to survive.
But how is it a Virtual Guarantee?
Because, statistically, the guy who's right about what's going or otherwise accurately predicts what will happen on in any given zombie flick only has about 15% odds of survival to the end of the film if he's not the main character.
I know that I'd survive too, because I already live in a heavily fortified building with everything I'll need to weather a long siege. Except that armored car I've been meaning to acquire.
Because, statistically, the guy who's right about what's going or otherwise accurately predicts what will happen on in any given zombie flick only has about 15% odds of survival to the end of the film if he's not the main character.
I know that I'd survive too, because I already live in a heavily fortified building with everything I'll need to weather a long siege. Except that armored car I've been meaning to acquire.
Well thats in the movies....we are not there.
well...I don't live in a fortress but we've got lots of melee tools and a handy dandy pop that could probably build a crapload of barricades out of the wood that is near our house..but we wouldn't stay at our house but for maybe a week till the zombies kill all the panicking people......
Because, statistically, the guy who's right about what's going or otherwise accurately predicts what will happen on in any given zombie flick only has about 15% odds of survival to the end of the film if he's not the main character.
I know that I'd survive too, because I already live in a heavily fortified building with everything I'll need to weather a long siege. Except that armored car I've been meaning to acquire.
Well thats in the movies....we are not there.
well...I don't live in a fortress but we've got lots of melee tools and a handy dandy pop that could probably build a crapload of barricades out of the wood that is near our house..but we wouldn't stay at our house but for maybe a week till the zombies kill all the panicking people......
'FACEPALM' Am I the one that has to die saving humankind, cause the rest of you guys are just concerned about letting the others die.
Because, statistically, the guy who's right about what's going or otherwise accurately predicts what will happen on in any given zombie flick only has about 15% odds of survival to the end of the film if he's not the main character.
I know that I'd survive too, because I already live in a heavily fortified building with everything I'll need to weather a long siege. Except that armored car I've been meaning to acquire.
Well thats in the movies....we are not there.
well...I don't live in a fortress but we've got lots of melee tools and a handy dandy pop that could probably build a crapload of barricades out of the wood that is near our house..but we wouldn't stay at our house but for maybe a week till the zombies kill all the panicking people......
Good point, the main characters in zombie movies always survive.
I will be doing my part to repopulate the world, not to worry guys.
Also, suppose that we end up running into things like Lickers or Nemesis. Anyone got any plans for that? Mine is about "Sit in a corner, whimper 'Oh god no, oh god no, oh god no' and hope it doesn't get me"
Also, suppose that we end up running into things like Lickers or Nemesis. Anyone got any plans for that? Mine is about "Sit in a corner, whimper 'Oh god no, oh god no, oh god no' and hope it doesn't get me"
Put your head between your legs and kiss you a$$ goodbye if its Nemisis.....if its a licker then just go with Golden Eyed Scouts plan
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fallen_wolfborn wrote:
'FACEPALM' Am I the one that has to die saving humankind, cause the rest of you guys are just concerned about letting the others die.
Actually good sir, I am concerned about the safety of others....thats what'd keep me sane. I stated it much earlier.
fallen_wolfborn wrote:
'FACEPALM' Am I the one that has to die saving humankind, cause the rest of you guys are just concerned about letting the others die.
fallen_wolfborn wrote:'FACEPALM' Am I the one that has to die saving humankind, cause the rest of you guys are just concerned about letting the others die.
Can you honestly say that most of humanity is worth saving?
Besides which, why risk yourself early on in the conflict when there is the possibility of it being only a small outbreak? Don't get me wrong, if there was someone in trouble who I could help, I would attempt to do so, but I would not go out of my way in order to do so if it meant there was significant risk of my own death/zombification.
On a Zombie related note, I played a game called Ashes 2 Ashes: Zombie Cricket on Mousebreaker last night. Top stuff!
Proof [As if it was needed!] that the only way a real man should deal with the forces of undeath is with 3-4 feet of weathered willow and a chum chucking hard leather balls up for you. I bagged 43 of the blighters before they dragged me down. Ahem...er....Brrraaaaiiiiinnns!
Just so you zombie enthusiasts know, ive started a zombie roleplay down in the chain fiction section. ANyone whose interested pop down and fill out a profile. I assure you it'll be fun.
California has Earthquakes, Florida has Hurricanes, Pennsylvania has zombie outbreaks.
Trust me, we go through this every few years.
You live here too? Where at? I'm NEPA.
ghosty wrote:Just so you zombie enthusiasts know, ive started a zombie roleplay down in the chain fiction section. ANyone whose interested pop down and fill out a profile. I assure you it'll be fun.
So you'll do that, but you won't play my rp? I see how it is.
Raid the local gunstores, get some buddies, and hole up in Costco eating myself to death on pretzels and ice cream.
What, who said zombie apocalypses can't be delicious and tasty?
Ok these two are crazy. But it would be funny to see idiots running towards zombies rather than away. But still, humanity is worth saving for two reasons:
1) It would be boring without anyone to play on XBOX Live/40k 2)You know why.
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fallen_wolfborn wrote:
'FACEPALM' Am I the one that has to die saving humankind, cause the rest of you guys are just concerned about letting the others die.
Actually good sir, I am concerned about the safety of others....thats what'd keep me sane. I stated it much earlier.
Thank you my also idealistic probably suicidal brother.
Step 1: Grab survival kit
Step 2: Fill 2 additional duffle bags with food, water, ammunition, lighters, cooking tools, etc
Step 3: Grab weaponry (3 rifles, 2 handguns, 4 shotguns and a ridiculous array of knives, machetes, axes)
Step 4: Grab additional clothing and gasoline for vehicle (I have 2 10 gallon tanks full and 2 5 gall on tanks)
Step 5: Load everything into my Expedition (I keep it in the garage)
Step 6: Check vehicle for issues
Step 7: Drive away, if needed first stop is a gas station if I'm low
Step 8: Drive to North Carolina
Step 9: Set up in the old abandoned church me and my buddies used to hang out in (all windows boarded up, door boarded up. We had to get in through the bell tower with a ladder)
Step 10: Hole up in church and shoot anything that comes near.
Step 11: ?????
Step 12: Profit
c34r34lk1ll3r wrote:Step 1: Grab survival kit
Step 2: Fill 2 additional duffle bags with food, water, ammunition, lighters, cooking tools, etc
Step 3: Grab weaponry (3 rifles, 2 handguns, 4 shotguns and a ridiculous array of knives, machetes, axes)
Step 4: Grab additional clothing and gasoline for vehicle (I have 2 10 gallon tanks full and 2 5 gall on tanks)
Step 5: Load everything into my Expedition (I keep it in the garage)
Step 6: Check vehicle for issues
Step 7: Drive away, if needed first stop is a gas station if I'm low
Step 8: Drive to North Carolina
Step 9: Set up in the old abandoned church me and my buddies used to hang out in (all windows boarded up, door boarded up. We had to get in through the bell tower with a ladder)
Step 10: Hole up in church and shoot anything that comes near.
Step 11: ?????
Step 12: Profit
Lock picks are quiet, but take time. So, its situational really.
