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Post by: BrookM
Two more days lads, wait for Friday.
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Post by: Xanthos
Yeah, that bolter certainly looks like an update of the boltguns that GW made for the metal marines in 2nd ed.
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Post by: Armorum Ferrum
Lets hope its Mark V friday guys 
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Post by: Alpharius
It will be, unless it is "Pre-Heresy Honor Guard" Friday!
Either way, good times!
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Post by: Platuan4th
When/if they do a non-RG Mk6 set, I have a feeling my Botcon plans for next year will go out the window...
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Post by: Miss Dee
Since my pre heresy da's arrived im gona have to splash out.
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Post by: poipo32
I'm hoping for some news on my R&H Khorne or Nurgle List tomorrow.
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Post by: Jaon
Forge world..your the best *blows a kiss*
Automatically Appended Next Post:
Wait, When you guys say friday...do you mean today?
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Post by: Arakasi
MkII, MkV and MkVI armour up - plus Phobos Pattern (MkII) Bolters
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Post by: Alpharius
My quick review!
MKV - the studs look... odd. Almost too big?
MKII - Did FW just make a mistake? Aren't the helmets in MKII suits 'integrated' and therefore, they do not allow the marine to turn his head? Again, this one looks a bit off.
MKVI - OK, I guess, but a little packing. Plain.Especially at £20 for 5.
Phobos Pattern Bolters - pretty cool, actually.
Overall, I'm rather disappointed!
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
Alpharius wrote:MKII - Did FW just make a mistake? Aren't the helmets in MKII suits 'integrated' and therefore, they do not allow the marine to turn his head? Again, this one looks a bit off.
This may be true from a fluff perspective, but it makes for some pretty boring models - particularly when you have competition from MaxMini's steam knight heads.
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Post by: Miss Dee
Heresy armour for my Dark Angels me thinks.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Really like the armor sets.
So what could this Imperial armor project be,which is linked to all these space marine releases?
I would prefer to have any visitors of a event FW attends to to ask them and return with news to us.
*looks specifically to GD uk and GD baltimore goers..*
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Post by: Miss Dee
IA Horus Heresy?
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Post by: Alpharius
Multiple sources have said "IA: Badab War".
Now why we'd have all sorts of Pre-Heresy suits running around in the Badab War is odd, but there you go!
So, sadly, no IA: Horus Heresy.
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Post by: Little lord Fauntleroy
LunaHound wrote:
Oh, yes. Oh mother of god yes, yes, YES!!! I don't think I have ever been as happy as I am at this moment. "The Flesh is weak! The machine is pure!"
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
I like the armour kits. The Mk.VI is asking a bit much, but the rest are very nice.
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Post by: 1hadhq
Alpharius wrote:Multiple sources have said "IA: Badab War".
Now why we'd have all sorts of Pre-Heresy suits running around in the Badab War is odd, but there you go!
So, sadly, no IA: Horus Heresy.
I doubt many of the chapter specififc releases are tied to chapters participating in the Badab war.
Maybe we confuse general releases with IA supporting releases?
But FW said:
FW newletter 245 wrote:
GD, Baltiomore, 21st august......(snip)
Paul Rudge from book production team will also be in attendance, showcasing final proof copies of the forthcoming, oft-hinted,
Imperial armour project which our recent range of Space Marine releases all link to...
So all releases are linked to?
Somehow, IIRC badab war wasn't about dozens of chapters and surely not RG/ IH/IF.... 
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Post by: Scottywan82
Okay, seriously? feth you Forgeworld. One a week was sexy. Three together?
I only have so much money to GIVE you.
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Post by: poipo32
Since nobody posted the whole Newsletter
Hi There,
We have even more fantastic Space Marine kits for you in this Newsletter, including variant armour sets and some fantastically detailed Chapter-specific Transfer sheets and Etched Brass sets. We also have an update about what we’ll be showing you at Games Day Baltimore on August 21st.
Thanks,
Ead Brown
Phobos Pattern Bolter Pack
The Phobos Pattern Bolter Pack is closely associated with Mk II ‘Crusade’ Armour and is perhaps the most venerable design of the sacred Bolter used by the Astartes. Both were hand-crafted by the Fabricators of Mars at the very birth of the Imperium, to ensure that every Marine had the finest wargear with which to reunite the scattered elements of Humanity.
Designed by Phil Stutcinskas and Will Hayes, the Phobos Pattern Bolter pack contains 10 finely detailed, resin weapons, with optional combat blade attachments, and can be pre-ordered here for despatch in the week commencing August 23rd. Like the other Forge World Weapon Sets currently available to pre-order, the Phobos pattern Bolters can be combined with the full range of plastic Games Workshop and resin Forge World Space Marine sets.
Space Marine Infantry Upgrade Sets Available to Pre-Order Now:
We have even more Space Marine armour variants available for you to pre-order this week. Designed by Will Hayes and Phil Stutcinskas, all of these detailed resin kits contain enough parts to build 5 Space Marines - each set includes two different poses of legs, as well as separate torsos, helmets, backpacks, shoulder pads and arms.
MkII ‘Crusade’ Armour Set
The first of our Space Marine armour sets is this fantastic Mk II ‘Crusade’ Armour Set sculpted by Will Hayes and Phil Stutcinskas. Mk II Armour represented a significant technological step forward compared to the original Thunder Armour, and was supplied by the Adeptus Mechanicus, who hand-crafted each component to the highest specification. The few surviving examples of this pattern are still maintained by some of the oldest Space Marine Chapters, venerated as sacred relics.
MkV ‘Heresy’ Armour Set
The iconic Mk V ‘Heresy’ Armour Set is an archaic pattern of Power Armour, first created during the dark and shadowed days of the Great Betrayal, which saw several layers of inferior-quality materials bonded with adamantium studs. As some Forge Worlds sided with Horus and some remained loyal to the Emperor, the supply lines from the Forge Worlds that manufactured arms and armour for the Legions were heavily disrupted, forcing the Legions to develop the MkV pattern.
MkVI ‘Corvus’ Armour Set
Perhaps the most recognisable of all marks of power armour, the Mk VI ‘Corvus’ Armour Set is most associated with the Raven Guard Chapter, but also sees service in many other Chapters. Designed as a successor to the advanced Mk IV ‘Maximus’ armour that was derailed by the Horus Heresy, Mk VI ‘Corvus’ Armour is distinctive for its’ relatively clean appearance and elongated, conical nose – designed to house additional systems including advanced Autosenses. The studded left shoulder pad, taken from the previous Mk V pattern, commemorates the glory of those heroes who stood at the Eternity Gate alongside the Emperor himself.
You can see all of these sets here; along with a gallery of photos showing examples of how these brilliant parts can be combined with plastic Space Marine kits, as well as other Forge World resin accessories such as our Bolter sets and Special Weapons packs. All of these kits are available to pre-order now for despatch in the week commencing August 23rd, and while this is the last batch of Space Marine kits we will be unveiling for now, keep an eye on Forge World Newsletters over September for news of a few top secret models that we are hoping to release at UK Games Day…
Raven Guard and Flesh Tearers Etched Brass
The first in the expansion to our range of Chapter-specific etched brass accessories are these detailed sets of Raven Guard Etched Brass and Flesh Tearers Etched Brass from the talented hands of Forge World graphic artist Kenton Mills. These detailed frames provide a range of Chapter insignia that can be applied to both infantry and vehicles as you can see here and these symbols are perfect for adding detail and variety to your Raven Guard and Flesh Tearers squads. Both frames will be shipped from August 23rd.
Iron Hands and Imperial Fists Transfer Sheets
Not content to rest on his Etched Brass laurels, Kenton has also put together a new range of Chapter-specific A4 decal sheets, the first of which are Iron Hands Transfers and Imperial Fists Transfers.
These A4 sheets are packed with over 500 individual Chapter badges, squad markings and numbers, as well as vehicle markings and Clan-Company badges in the case of the Iron Hands – all perfect for adding additional detail to your Imperial Fists and Iron Hands units.
Both of these fantastic transfer sheets are available to pre-order now for despatch in the week commencing August 23rd.
All these new releases are available to pre-order along with the Caestus Assault Ram, Umbra Pattern Bolter Pack, MkIII ‘Iron Armour’, Special Weapons Pack, MkIV ‘Maximus’ Armour and the Umbra Ferrox Bolter Pack – you can find all these kits here.
Forge World Events News
Forge World will be attending Games Day Baltimore on August 21st, and in addition to our usual array of kits available from our Sales Stand, we will be selling extremely limited numbers of all our recent Space Marine kits as exclusive pre-release items.
Paul Rudge from our Book Production team will also be in attendance, showcasing final proof copies of the forthcoming, oft-hinted, Imperial Armour project which our recent range of Space Marine releases all link to…
Forge World will also be attending Games Day UK at the Birmingham NEC on September 26th, and we are now taking reservation orders for this event. This is the best way to guarantee that we will have exactly what you want on the day, and you won’t even have to queue as we have a separate Reservations Collections area on our sales stand. To place a reservation, just send an e-mail titled ‘Games Day UK Reservation’ to ForgeworldReservations@games-workshop.co. uk including your name and a list of the items you’d like us to provide. You can also telephone us on 0115 916 8177 – in either case, we will provide you with an order number and total cost slightly before the event, and we’ll also inform you of anything that we can’t guarantee to have for you.
Automatically Appended Next Post: Anyone knows what's the last picture depicting?
Anyway I'm buying an army of Corvus armours for some Legion. (Hint, It's blue and green)
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Post by: Scottywan82
Alpharius wrote:
MKII - Did FW just make a mistake? Aren't the helmets in MKII suits 'integrated' and therefore, they do not allow the marine to turn his head? Again, this one looks a bit off.
Indeed you are correct sir.
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Post by: Little lord Fauntleroy
Wait, wait, STOP!
Is it just me, or is that last picture showing the skull and star logo of the pre-heresy Death Guard *Giggles excitedly*?
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Post by: AlexHolker
Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Wait, wait, STOP!
Is it just me, or is that last picture showing the skull and star logo of the pre-heresy Death Guard *Giggles excitedly*?
I don't think so. Judging from the pictures on Lexicanum the Death Guard symbol had three spokes on either side of the skull & circle. This looks like a regular old 12-spoked star.
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Post by: dienekes96
And the aquila on his chest makes him look rather loyalist. Probably an Honor Guard squad leader for their next release.
That symbol is probably an iron halo around skull.
Didn't love the MKVI, but the completist in me paid for a set. Absolutely love the bolters.
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Post by: Little lord Fauntleroy
AlexHolker wrote:Little lord Fauntleroy wrote:Wait, wait, STOP!
Is it just me, or is that last picture showing the skull and star logo of the pre-heresy Death Guard *Giggles excitedly*?
I don't think so. Judging from the pictures on Lexicanum the Death Guard symbol had three spokes on either side of the skull & circle. This looks like a regular old 12-spoked star.
*Dies a little on the inside*.
Ah well, I like my DG covered in Pus anyway.
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Post by: warboss
while i'm overall ecstatic that FW is finally giving some serious love to heresy era marines, i do think those studs are a big on the large size. that's one serious case of nurgle space warts.
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Post by: Miss Dee
To me it looks like pre heresy death guard pad.
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Post by: MajorTom11
DROOLZ
Holy Crap they are really going all out this time!!! Only Mk1 and Errant to go...
Must... Finish... Ultimate Space Hulk project.... must... not... buy EVERYTHING
lol
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Post by: Nurglitch
The studs look the right size to me. They look great!
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Post by: Alpharius
The picture is called " sl-rs- hg-nl.jpg". So, someone break the code! sl = ? rs = Red Scorpions? hg = Honor Guard? nl = ? MajorTom11 wrote:DROOLZ
Holy Crap they are really going all out this time!!! Only Mk1 and Errant to go...
Must... Finish... Ultimate Space Hulk project.... must... not... buy EVERYTHING
lol
We might see MKI... but I don't think we will. And as much as it pains me to say it, I don't think we'll see MKVIII either - though I'd buy many, many, MANY sets of them!
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Post by: Nurglitch
Anyone else hoping that the release of resin MkVI armour will knock the bottom out of the bitz market on plastic MkVI pieces?
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Post by: Grarg
Alpharius wrote:The picture is called "sl-rs-hg-nl.jpg".
So, someone break the code!
sl = ?
rs = Red Scorpions?
hg = Honor Guard?
nl = ?
Don't know if it's Red Scorpions, the symbol on the shoulder pad is wrong, it looks a lot like the Novamarines chapter symbol. (and to an extent, pre heresy Death Guard)
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Post by: poipo32
It looks very much like novamarines...
Which were deployed on Badab!
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Post by: Grarg
They were also involved with a campaign on a planet called Skyfall, with the Invaders, whose chapter symbol is similar.
Although the badab war makes more sense with the Caetus Ram being released.
EDIT: interesting.... the Sons of Medusa's chapter symbol is also very similar....
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Post by: poipo32
Everything points at Badab War and FW's favorite Space Marine Chapter was on Badab.
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Post by: aka_mythos
I'd guess its for an honor guard. It appears often in Imperial iconography and is another symbol of the Emperor, undoubtedly GW drew from tradition symbols of imperial powers.
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
come on forgeworld give me thunder armor and pre heresy terminators and dreadnoughts!!!
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Post by: Alpharius
poipo32 wrote:It looks very much like novamarines...
Which were deployed on Badab!
Grarg wrote:They were also involved with a campaign on a planet called Skyfall, with the Invaders, whose chapter symbol is similar.
Although the badab war makes more sense with the Caetus Ram being released.
EDIT: interesting.... the Sons of Medusa's chapter symbol is also very similar....
poipo32 wrote:Everything points at Badab War and FW's favorite Space Marine Chapter was on Badab.
Guys, as previously nored, multiple times, it really is IA: Badab War.
Really!
Well, at least, that's what we've heard!
TyraelVladinhurst wrote:come on forgeworld give me thunder armor and pre heresy terminators and dreadnoughts!!!
Yes! Please!
These would sell VERY well indeed!
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Post by: Nurglitch
Six Degree of Huron Blackheart?
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Post by: Kanluwen
I have heard from reliable sources it's Imperial Armour: Shiny Pants.
Guys, really. I've heard it.
I'm still maintaining that it's for something after IA9, or it'll be a release ala Imperial Armour: Apocalypse since they've got multiple staff writers now.
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Post by: Alpharius
SO current scuttlebutt say:
(S)quad (L)eader-(R)ed (S)corpions-(H)onor (G)uard-(N)ews (L)etter
So, huh!
IF the honor guard is awesome enough, might be worth buying and scraping off some scorpion symbols.
But man, FW loves them some Red Scorpions!
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Post by: BrookM
The Red Scorpions officially fought in the Badab War gents, alongside the Fire Hawks, Marines Errant, Novamarines, Howling Griffons, Minotaurs, Exorcists, Fire Angels, Salamanders, Space Sharks and Sons of Medusa.
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Post by: Death By Monkeys
I want Space Sharks shoulder pads!
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Post by: metallifan
Death By Monkeys wrote:I want Space Sharks shoulder pads!
I hear that Forgeworld is planning on releasing a Space Sharks line after they do Rainbow Warriors 
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Post by: The Power Cosmic
Okay, here's the bigger question for all the pre-heresy armies that will soon be gracing the gamescape: do you mix marks of armor on individual marines? Within squads? Not at all?
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Post by: TyraelVladinhurst
The Power Cosmic wrote:Okay, here's the bigger question for all the pre-heresy armies that will soon be gracing the gamescape: do you mix marks of armor on individual marines? Within squads? Not at all?
depends on when your army is set. late great crusade would have mixed sqauds
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Post by: cygnnus
poipo32 wrote:It looks very much like novamarines...
Which were deployed on Badab!
That was my first thought, but the pad's on the wrong shoulder to be "codex" Novamarines. Unless, of course, the picture's been flipped or someone screwed up...
Either way, I'm definitely interested (especially since I'm slowly working on a Novamarine army myself!)
Valete,
JohnS
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Post by: poipo32
Alpharius wrote:poipo32 wrote:It looks very much like novamarines...
Which were deployed on Badab!
Grarg wrote:They were also involved with a campaign on a planet called Skyfall, with the Invaders, whose chapter symbol is similar.
Although the badab war makes more sense with the Caetus Ram being released.
EDIT: interesting.... the Sons of Medusa's chapter symbol is also very similar....
poipo32 wrote:Everything points at Badab War and FW's favorite Space Marine Chapter was on Badab.
Guys, as previously nored, multiple times, it really is IA: Badab War.
Really!
Well, at least, that's what we've heard!
Those are rumours the more facts that go with them, the better.
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Post by: cadbren
It does look like a novamarine chapter icon. Perhaps there will be an honour guard squad release and some shoulder pad releases for the chapters that took part in the Badab War.
Just because this appears on the marine in the picture doesn't mean these bits come from the same set. Automatically Appended Next Post: Kind of like the phobos pattern bolter appearing in one of the pics on FW before the existence of it was officially released. Automatically Appended Next Post: cygnnus wrote:the pad's on the wrong shoulder to be "codex" Novamarines.
JohnS
Or the pad has been placed on that shoulder as a teaser just for the photo.
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Post by: Generalstoner
Hmmm, if we are going to see more Badab war chapters I would love to see the Lamenters and the Minotaurs gets some love.
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Post by: Alpharius
Or it is a Sergeant for a Red Scorpion Honor Guard squad...
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Post by: Scottywan82
Seriously though, I'm nearly overwhelmed now. What do I do? How do I rationally integrate all of this pre-heresy deliciousness into my space marine forces?
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Post by: Kanluwen
BrookM wrote:The Red Scorpions officially fought in the Badab War gents, alongside the Fire Hawks, Marines Errant, Novamarines, Howling Griffons, Minotaurs, Exorcists, Fire Angels, Salamanders, Space Sharks and Sons of Medusa.
Something like 20 Chapters fought in the Badab War, including the Mantis Warriors.
This is not going to be "The Badab War", or it's so highly unlikely it will be that you might as well try to resurrect a velociraptor and break it in as a house pet before a "Badab War" campaign book comes out.
At the absolute most, you might see a Forge World book along the lines of the 'Index Astartes' articles, but with model releases to accompany ones that would give you a hard time actually getting pieces to do.
So cross off Red Scorpions, Howling Griffons, Exorcists, Salamanders, and Sons of Medusa for release parts.
Alpharius wrote:Or it is a Sergeant for a Red Scorpion Honor Guard squad...
Or is it just a highly elaborate shoulderpad for a Sergeant for a generic Honor Guard kit released, intended as an upgrade to make SM Commanders and their retinues look really good...
Which one would net the most money, y'think?
(It's not the one with Red Scorpions)
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Post by: cadbren
One thing I just noticed about the corvus armour, they ballsed up the torso. The cableling is right, but it goes onto a regular mk7 torso. The main difference between the two marks was that the mk7 had an extra armour plate that covered the cables over the chest, leaving only the bottom of the cables exposed. FW's one has the mk6 cables over the top of this chest armour - pity.
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Post by: bhsman
It's not Death Guard, as they have three spikes on either side of the ring, whereas Sons of Medusa have the full ring covered in spikes. Gonna vote that it's a Sons of Medusa model, and therefore a Badab War IA.
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Post by: 1hadhq
bhsman wrote:
It's not Death Guard, as they have three spikes on either side of the ring, whereas Sons of Medusa have the full ring covered in spikes. Gonna vote that it's a Sons of Medusa model, and therefore a Badab War IA.
If it was at the correct shoulder it would be Novamarines. But it isn't.
IMO, its just an iron halo with skull. Honor badge + veteran/command .
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Post by: Armorum Ferrum
Mixed armour in a squad in the late heresy/scouring period will look good, I look forward to their version of Lufgt Huron
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Post by: AlexHolker
bhsman wrote:It's not Death Guard, as they have three spikes on either side of the ring, whereas Sons of Medusa have the full ring covered in spikes. Gonna vote that it's a Sons of Medusa model, and therefore a Badab War IA.
Sons of Medusa have an 8-point star. Novamarines have a 12-point star.
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Post by: 1hadhq
May I suggest the "space marine hobby kompendium" page 48 and 95, where a shoulderpad like this is a veteran shoulderpad?
Same tome, page 84, chapter badge of the Novamarines.
At the left shoulder, its a veteran pad, at the right its Novamarines. 
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Post by: Alpharius
Kanluwen wrote: Alpharius wrote:Or it is a Sergeant for a Red Scorpion Honor Guard squad...
Or is it just a highly elaborate shoulderpad for a Sergeant for a generic Honor Guard kit released, intended as an upgrade to make SM Commanders and their retinues look really good... Which one would net the most money, y'think? (It's not the one with Red Scorpions)
I wouldn't write of Red Scorpions just yet. FW usually doesn't successfully hide much in their picture names. So, what do YOU think " sl-rs- hg-nl" stands for? Given that the symbol we see is on the right pad, which is the squad designator side - sure looks like an honor guard/veteran marking. So there's your HG. NL is "News Letter". SL is ? RS is... probably Red Scorpions. I suppose it could be " Something Lame like a Regular Spacemarine", but my money's not on that one. People in this hobby certainly own hobby knives. I know I've scrapped off a few RS markings in my time!
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Post by: MeanGreenStompa
Alpharius wrote:
Nice work again, Mr Monk...
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Post by: Kanluwen
Alpharius wrote:Kanluwen wrote:
Alpharius wrote:Or it is a Sergeant for a Red Scorpion Honor Guard squad...
Or is it just a highly elaborate shoulderpad for a Sergeant for a generic Honor Guard kit released, intended as an upgrade to make SM Commanders and their retinues look really good...
Which one would net the most money, y'think?
(It's not the one with Red Scorpions)
I wouldn't write of Red Scorpions just yet.
FW usually doesn't successfully hide much in their picture names.
So, what do YOU think " sl-rs- hg-nl" stands for?
Given that the symbol we see is on the right pad, which is the squad designator side - sure looks like an honor guard/veteran marking.
So there's your HG.
NL is "News Letter".
SL is ?
RS is... probably Red Scorpions.
I suppose it could be " Something Lame like a Regular Spacemarine", but my money's not on that one.
People in this hobby certainly own hobby knives.
I know I've scrapped off a few RS markings in my time!
Shoulder Right Side Honor Guard Newsletter works too, using those same letters now don't it? 
But again:
Red Scorpions are a pretty complete line-up, as it stands now. And the fact that IA8 was Raven Guard makes me think they know they've done all they can for 'em, outside of releasing Chapter specific Scouts(which'd be silly to do, since Scouts are Scouts...the difference is in the training and veterancy make-up of Chapters' Scout corps). The fact that we're also getting "generic" ancient styles of armor lends credence to that, as they realize people aren't really interested in scraping symbols off anymore.
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Post by: metallifan
SL - Could be "Squad Leader"
RS - I'm thinking "Right Side", as shoulderpads -tend- to be cast in pairs on the spue.
HG - I think everyone has this down
NL - Newsletter most likely
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Post by: Alpharius
Kanluwen wrote:
Red Scorpions are a pretty complete line-up, as it stands now. And the fact that IA8 was Raven Guard makes me think they know they've done all they can for 'em, outside of releasing Chapter specific Scouts(which'd be silly to do, since Scouts are Scouts...the difference is in the training and veterancy make-up of Chapters' Scout corps). The fact that we're also getting "generic" ancient styles of armor lends credence to that, as they realize people aren't really interested in scraping symbols off anymore.
OK - those are VERY good points, especially in regards to NOT wanting to scrape symbols anymore, as I know I certainly don't want to!
metallifan wrote:SL - Could be "Squad Leader"
RS - I'm thinking "Right Side", as shoulderpads -tend- to be cast in pairs on the spue.
HG - I think everyone has this down
NL - Newsletter most likely
What...?!?
Did you just poke holes in my theory boat with a perfectly plausible alternate explanation of those letters?!?!?
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Post by: Kanluwen
I think Metalli and I both did.
But then again, we are cryptologically endowed individuals.
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Post by: pj-brainz
I cant wait for these models to come out i just dropped £200 on 2 sets of each  , gonna get some weapon packs next week then ill be climbing the walls waiting for the Postman!!! Cant wait to see some of the crazy conversions some people bring out
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Post by: Jackal
FW's proffits have just gone up tenfold now lol.
All because they released something players want, rather than what GW want us to want.
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Post by: pj-brainz
Its a hell of a lot better than the 5 metal armours of the past minis GW put out.
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Post by: Armorum Ferrum
Well games workshop and forgeworld know that any marine set they produce will be sold - power armour is addicting
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Post by: Generalstoner
I think Jack hit the nail on the head though in saying that FW released something the players want. Besides, GW would most likely say that they have intended all along for FW to release these models; of course we all know that is total BS.
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Post by: Commander Cain
Wow all these new suits are fantastic, especially how they combine with the regular sets, just fantastic... 
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Post by: Kanluwen
Generalstoner wrote:I think Jack hit the nail on the head though in saying that FW released something the players want. Besides, GW would most likely say that they have intended all along for FW to release these models; of course we all know that is total BS.
Uh no, it's really not a case of "we all know that is total BS".
Forge World does specialist items. Dedicated kits of Pre-Heresy variants of Space Marine armor, at least in the numbers to field squads equipped in them, are going to be 'specialist items'.
And Forge World doesn't do things for the players. They do things that they personally want to do. Now that the Horus Heresy and the equipment involved has become sort of 'set in stone', due to the novels...they can finally do that without having to worry about something being retconned.
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Post by: Miss Dee
Just ordered the Iron Hands transfers, will give a review when it arrives.
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Post by: Alpharius
Are FW transfer sheets thinner than the standard GW ones?
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Post by: Kanluwen
Yes.
They're done very much like the really really really expensive model kits you find from Tamiya, et all. If I remember to, later today I'll get a picture or scan of the Raven Guard sheet I got.
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Post by: Slinky
My order of Mk III armour and Umbra Ferrox bolters arrived!
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Post by: Bloodwin
Kanluwen wrote:And Forge World doesn't do things for the players. They do things that they personally want to do. Now that the Horus Heresy and the equipment involved has become sort of 'set in stone', due to the novels...they can finally do that without having to worry about something being retconned.
I think that there is more to it than that. FW doing Heresy models is a big gamble for GW. Heresy is the new hotness and I hardly hear anything about the fiction for current 40k. This isn't surprising, especially with all the NYT list stuff going on, HH is big business. The gamble comes with the significant risk that if there was a Heresy line it would have a significant impact on the 40k line (as opposed to the 30k heresy stuff). There is a danger among some players that spending on FW product could eclipse that of Citadel product in some areas and this would be a concern as it might divide the Hobby and could have an impact on brick and mortar stores which are already feeling the pinch.
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Post by: Sgt.Roadkill
can someone show a scale comparison between the fw marine and the gw marines
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Post by: Miss Dee
transfer sheet arrived this morning why they did black transfers i dont know.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
Bloodwin wrote:I think that there is more to it than that. FW doing Heresy models is a big gamble for GW. Heresy is the new hotness and I hardly hear anything about the fiction for current 40k. This isn't surprising, especially with all the NYT list stuff going on, HH is big business. The gamble comes with the significant risk that if there was a Heresy line it would have a significant impact on the 40k line (as opposed to the 30k heresy stuff). There is a danger among some players that spending on FW product could eclipse that of Citadel product in some areas and this would be a concern as it might divide the Hobby and could have an impact on brick and mortar stores which are already feeling the pinch.
I don't see people flooding to buy Forgeworld because of the expense, they are luxuries even by GWs standards and resin is really only for the experienced. There's a lot of Heresy interest online but walk into a GW shop and bulk of kids there aren't interested in buying HH marines, GW know where their bread and butter is.
Or GW could up their game, invest seriously in Forgeworld to increase reliability and production and start selling it through their highstreet stores.
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Post by: Miss Dee
Thats a good idea.
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Post by: Alpharius
Sgt.Roadkill wrote:can someone show a scale comparison between the fw marine and the gw marines
FW has kind of already done that for you!
Many of the Pre-Heresy Marines have pictures of their parts mixed in with 'standard' GW plastic parts.
In other words, I'm pretty sure they scale perfectly.
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Post by: Scottywan82
Slinky wrote:My order of Mk III armour and Umbra Ferrox bolters arrived!
Wow, that's some ugly packaging. But damn do I want some of those...
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
Guess that explains the prices. There's more flash than model there.
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Post by: Kanluwen
I noticed it with one of my Raven Guard upgrade kits too.
Not sure if it's a one off issue with the first run of stuff or what.
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Post by: Nurglitch
Slinky:
That was quick. When did you order those?
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Post by: cadbren
H.B.M.C. wrote:Guess that explains the prices. There's more flash than model there.
All that excess resin suggests to me that resin is dirt cheap and it's easier to do the moulds that way. The cost would be from some bean counter saying they can get away with selling them at that price, not the quantity of materials involved.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
cadbren wrote:All that excess resin suggests to me that resin is dirt cheap and it's easier to do the moulds that way. The cost would be from some bean counter saying they can get away with selling them at that price, not the quantity of materials involved.
Nah. I'm gonna go with the ' excess resin driving up the price' theory.
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Post by: Nurglitch
Considering that Forgeworld is a charity to which the sculptors, casters, accountants, writers, and so on donate their time, it must be the resin because the models are produced at cost...
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Post by: Slinky
Nurglitch wrote:Slinky:
That was quick. When did you order those?
I placed the order on the 6th Aug, pretty soon after they were announced - maybe I was fairly high on the list?
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Post by: BrookM
First come first serve.
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Post by: Kingsley
Nurglitch wrote:Considering that Forgeworld is a charity to which the sculptors, casters, accountants, writers, and so on donate their time, it must be the resin because the models are produced at cost...
Is that true?
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Post by: BrookM
Fetterkey wrote:Nurglitch wrote:Considering that Forgeworld is a charity to which the sculptors, casters, accountants, writers, and so on donate their time, it must be the resin because the models are produced at cost...
Is that true?
Sarcasm dripped from that thing, so take a guess.
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Post by: Slinky
Got the first 2 assembled:
Waiting for some combi-weapons to arrive for the others...
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Post by: BrookM
Corrr, gotta love those combat attachments.
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Post by: aka_mythos
Every time I see those... so tempted to do pre-heresy Deathguard. I almost half keep expecting GW to change their mind and take these away. It seems like something people have wanted forever and I'm not used to them being so accommodating. Automatically Appended Next Post: H.B.M.C. wrote:cadbren wrote:All that excess resin suggests to me that resin is dirt cheap and it's easier to do the moulds that way. The cost would be from some bean counter saying they can get away with selling them at that price, not the quantity of materials involved.
Nah. I'm gonna go with the ' excess resin driving up the price' theory.
Even if it isn't the main price driver it is a major one. My Raven Guard had so much excess material it could have been used to make 2 or 3 more sets.
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Post by: Scottywan82
aka_mythos wrote:Every time I see those... so tempted to do pre-heresy Deathguard. I almost half keep expecting GW to change their mind and take these away. It seems like something people have wanted forever and I'm not used to them being so accommodating.
Automatically Appended Next Post:
H.B.M.C. wrote:cadbren wrote:All that excess resin suggests to me that resin is dirt cheap and it's easier to do the moulds that way. The cost would be from some bean counter saying they can get away with selling them at that price, not the quantity of materials involved.
Nah. I'm gonna go with the ' excess resin driving up the price' theory.
Even if it isn't the main price driver it is a major one. My Raven Guard had so much excess material it could have been used to make 2 or 3 more sets.
QFT! I'm aching to do some pre-heresy Imperial Fists. Or maybe something with those Iron Hands transfers....
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Post by: Bloodthirster
Thanks for the pics Slinky, I now want that Iron Armour even more, can't wait to them painted.
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Post by: Alpharius
I cannot get those Red Scorpion Honor Guard and Librarian models soon enough!
Sure, there will be some surgical removal of RS symbols, but it will be well worth it.
And just so the history books will show the truth:
Kanluwen wrote:
Alpharius wrote:Or it is a Sergeant for a Red Scorpion Honor Guard squad...
Or is it just a highly elaborate shoulderpad for a Sergeant for a generic Honor Guard kit released, intended as an upgrade to make SM Commanders and their retinues look really good...
Which one would net the most money, y'think?
(It's not the one with Red Scorpions)
Ha!
Actually, it IS the one with Red Scorpions!
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Post by: brainwashed
My Mark III order arrived last night. They must have shipped them pretty early.
Hopefully others are seeing their orders arrive early as well.
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