Hi There,
At last your wait is over! As you know, we've been whetting your appetite over the past few weeks with some exclusive sneak peeks and in this Newsletter we can proudly announce the first wave of our fantastic new Space Marine releases, with an array of full resin kits that are now available to pre-order. We've also got an FAQ on our recent Death Korps army list update and Experimental rules for you to download. Read on to find out more!

Thanks,
Ead Brown

Space Marine Caestus Assault Ram
Caestus Assault RamThe speartip of our Space Marine releases is the intimidating Caestus Assault Ram. This hulking full resin kit, designed by Daren Parrwood, is armed with a devastating Magna-Melta, designed to carve through the hull of a mighty star ship, and wing-mounted Firefury missile batteries, capable of unleashing a storm of deadly micro-warheads in the seconds after an assault has begun. As you can see here, the Caestus is an intimidating behemoth of a miniature - measuring 9.5" long with a wingspan of 10" - that dwarfs even the might of a Land Raider with its ceramite-armoured bulk.

Assault Rams are void attack craft, intended to participate in close-range space boarding actions, that can also act as drop-assault vessels for direct orbital attack. There are many patterns of Assault Ram in use across the Imperium, but among the Space Marine Chapters, the multi-role Caestus is the most commonplace. Smaller than either the Thunderhawk Gunship or the Shark-class Boarding Torpedo, the patterns' chief advantage is its speed and phenomenal durability which make it a highly resilient assault craft, even in the most fire-swept landing zones. Compact and heavily armoured, the Caestus Assault Ram is designed to survive direct collision with an enemy, leaving only ruin in its wake.

The Caestus Assault Ram is available to pre-order for despatch in the week commencing August 23rd, and as an added bonus, experimental rules for this devastating attack craft are available to download here, fresh from the keyboard of Imperial Armour writer Alan Bligh.

Space Marine Infantry Upgrade Sets Available to Pre-Order Now:


MkIII 'Iron' Armour Set
Mk III Iron ArmourThe first of our new Space Marine armour sets is this fantastic MkIII Armour Set sculpted by Will Hayes. The full resin kit provides enough parts to build 5 Space Marines in MkIII 'Iron' Armour, including two different sets of legs, shoulder pads, arms, torsos and helmets. You can see these here, along with a gallery of photos showing examples of how these brilliant parts can be combined with plastic Space Marine kits.

The MkIII 'Iron' Armour is a variant of the previous 'Crusade' pattern adapted with additional armour plates to the front, as well as a reinforced helmet faceplate and strengthened vambraces for the savage firefights of fleet-based boarding actions. This extra armour turns an already resilient Marine into an almost unstoppable juggernaut within the cramped confines of a ship. This detailed kit can be pre-ordered for despatch in the week commencing August 23rd.

Umbra Pattern Bolter Pack
Umbra Pattern BoltersThe Umbra Pattern Bolter Pack is the first of a range of Weapon Packs that we will be announcing over the next few weeks. Like power armour, the sacred Bolter of the Astartes has undergone various design changes over the millennia, and the Umbra pattern first saw use during the latter years of the Great Crusade, produced in huge numbers to ensure that the Astartes were constantly supplied with effective firepower.

Click here to view a gallery of close-up shots of the parts and accessories supplied in this pack; veteran hobbyists will see shades of the venerable RTB01 box in the design of these fantastic accessories. The Umbra Bolter Pack, designed by Will Hayes, contains 10 detailed weapons and optional bayonets, and can be pre-ordered here for despatch in the week commencing August 23rd.

Space Marine Special Weapons Pack
The second of our new weapon sets is this fantastic Space Marine Special Weapons Pack, sculpted by Phil Stutcinskas. Each Sergeant is able to freely select his squads' armament for a given mission, and the Chapter Armoury contains many weapons that are ancient and sacred relics - patterns of weapons long since replaced by other designs that are nevertheless maintained diligently. This Weapon Pack contains 2 Flamers, 2 Meltaguns, and 2 Missile Launchers complete with arms, reminiscent of the venerable Rogue Trader-era miniatures fondly remembered by veteran hobbyists, and perfect for adding variety to your squads.

These weapons are compatible with the full range of Space Marine units available from Forge World including our new MkIII 'Iron' Armour. The set is available to pre-order now for despatch in the week beginning August 23rd.

Additional Web Content Now Available
Since the launch of the new Forge World website we have received many queries about what had happened to much of our additional content - well worry no more, because many days of painstaking work has come to fruition. As you may have noticed, the image galleries in our Online Store are gradually being fleshed out, and the Downloads section has returned, complete with several updated documents for many older Imperial Armour books.

Following last weeks' update to the Death Korps Army List, we received lots of questions from you and so we have compiled this free FAQ to help answer these. Thanks for all your queries and please keep them coming!
We have also prepared a parallel update to the Imperial Armour Volume 5 Renegades and Heretics army list that you can find here, again it's a completely free download for you to enjoy.

Forge World Events News
Forge World will be attending Games Day Baltimore on August 21st. The Reservation period has now closed for this exciting event but if you have any specific requests or queries, please don't hesitate to contact us and we will be pleased to offer any assistance we can.
Forge World will also be attending Games Day UK on September 26th - keep an eye on forthcoming newsletters for more information about our stands at this event as we have plenty up our sleeves!

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine_Aircraft/CAESTUS-ASSAULT-RAM.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/MK-III-IRON-ARMOUR.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/New_Stuff/SPACE-MARINE-SPECIAL-WEAPONS-PACK.html

Ohohoho, feth yes. feth yes to all that stuff, awesome.

The Iron armor ROCKS!

More importantly, it gives some rather revealing information about FW's next project: boarding actions (think about Caestus Assault Ram's and '...for the savage firefights of fleet-based boarding actions. This extra armour turns an already resilient Marine into an almost unstoppable juggernaut within the cramped confines of a ship.'

My only complaint: its not true scale!

Aww.. I just saw this and wanted to post it..

DAMN!

Wish wish wish for a lottery win..

Wibble!

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/xlarge/Umbra-Bolters.jpg

Fancy pattern bolters with bayonet attachments.

Iron armour for my sternguard i sooooooo think with chapterhouse shoulder pads and mag combi weapons

.sweeeeeet

Absolutely beautiful figures. Looks like i will be placing an order soon for more than just epic stuff. Can't wait to see the other mks they are coming out with.

Damn that MkIII armor looks pretty sweet. May need to order me a squad of those.

Funny, I actually liked the foamcore mock-up that everyone hated so much more than the actual Caestus. I really wanted to like it, but man, setting it side-by-side with the Thunderbolt (one of my favorite FW models) just makes it look dopey! Man, I could scratchbuild something better than that. Although I notice that the weapon load-out and design should make it easy enough for BA players to pick it up and used it as a Storm Raven.

And while I appreciate the Umbra-patter bolters - WTH happened to the clip being right in front of the trigger guard? When did the far-forward mag get retconned? Such mixed feelings about this.

And the Mk III armor is cool and all, but why do they have them using Godwyn pattern bolters instead of the Umbra pattern bolters? SO CONFUSED!

Props for updating the special weapons - I like the slightly modernized look to the old shark-mouth missile launcher. The flamer and melta are fairly 'meh', but they don't suck.

Damn, resistance was futile, I preorderd my set...
:-(


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And i thought I was over GW...

Really hope Bolt Pistols and plasma pistols get a classic redo next!

They must be looking to sell a lot of those caestus's. those rules are ridiculous. they should be about a 100 points more.

Oh and I agree that those Mk3's look sweet.

Um, wow.

Now really - WOW!

And legs too?

And bolters?

It is about time - and what a time it is!

Willpower save = FAILED!

(Without a roll, actually!)

But, but, but, I can't afford a new army right now, I'm moving. But can I wait until they release all the packs for old armor variants?

Great Crusade army, coming up!

Wraithlordmechanic wrote:They must be looking to sell a lot of those caestus's. those rules are ridiculous. they should be about a 100 points more.

Oh and I agree that those Mk3's look sweet.

They are fairly pricey beasts, so I guess something had to be the carrot to that stick!

The Power Cosmic wrote:But, but, but, I can't afford a new army right now, I'm moving. But can I wait until they release all the packs for old armor variants?

Great Crusade army, coming up!

I know the feeling...

But I also know I'll be ordering all the Pre-Heresy Marks anyway, so...

Hello Pre-Heresy project, goodbye bank account!

That Caestus is awesome too! I remember seeing the pics of it at Gamesday last year and thinking "Wtf is that?"

The time has come to start planning that pre-Heresy Iron Warriors army.

They're a bit nice, but the Mk3 helmets certainly don't look like the same helmet (which I assumed was a Mk3 visored helm) that the newsletter posted as a teaser... more to come methinks..?

Very nice. I will be getting some for sure.

Gotta talk to my local GW guy. He can pick up FW from the BattleBunker for us.

That MK III armor is awesome.

Man, that's nice.

Kryppers wrote:They're a bit nice, but the Mk3 helmets certainly don't look like the same helmet (which I assumed was a Mk3 visored helm) that the newsletter posted as a teaser... more to come methinks..?

I was just about to mention this too!



It is significantly different!

MKII



MKIII



It doesn't quite look like either...

The mystery of it all!

Possibly a 'custom' suit for the upcoming IA: *********?

That ML/melta/flamer pack is sweet. Classic shapes with modern detail. And perfect for a counts-as-Salamanders Iron Warriors army...

Just wanted to point out that we can infer that GW is going to have a Stormraven someting in the near future as BA cant use the Ram at all. Codex, BT, SW and DA only.

Oh, and I'm totally getting one. Ramming speed captain!

Iron Armour, Classic Bolters and Special Weapons... YES

SWEET! Looks like I may be doing a few Pre-heresy Company Vets for my Dark Angels.

BrookM wrote:Wibble!

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/xlarge/Umbra-Bolters.jpg

Fancy pattern bolters with bayonet attachments.

Those actually look a lot like the Rogue Trader bolters. Especially with the chainsaw bayonets.

Vladsimpaler wrote:

BrookM wrote:Wibble!

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Images/Product/DefaultFW/xlarge/Umbra-Bolters.jpg

Fancy pattern bolters with bayonet attachments.

Those actually look a lot like the Rogue Trader bolters. Especially with the chainsaw bayonets.

It's like they were designed to fit with the Special Weapons pack above that looks like the RT versions.

Edit:
I'm not a fan of the rogue trader guns, but I might have to get them just to keep with the spirit of the MK3 armor. Expensive armor, but freaking perfect for a sternguard squad.

When I get back from GenCon, I'm ordering a 10-man squad's worth...

I know, I was just surprised at how similar they looked and I thought it was awesome.

I am seriously considering buying a pack of the bolters and a pack of the special weapons. I love those missile launchers, the RT ones were always my favorite and I'm glad to see that they're being brought back!

I like the new helmets on the Mark III.

The armour itself I am *meh* about. It comes across as a an attempt to incorporate the Steam Punk trend and while I really like steam punk the execution here just doesn't work for me.

I think it is the Basic SM model template that throws it off for me. I have always hated the over sized pauldrons and the disco bell-bottom legs. I think it is because I have a friend that makes authentic medieval replica armour for his jousting troup and I can't get past how ungainly the GW SM design appears. It just doesn't look functional and is to OTT for my tastes.

The helmets are definitely a step in the right direction, though.

Need more pre-heresy stuff!!!

Scottywan82 wrote:Need more pre-heresy stuff!!!

Yes. This may become my new addiction.

Yeah. Impossible not to get excited about this. The only thing i didn't get were the bolters since I only want the "bayonet" elements. Figure i can get those later. The armor looks great, especially the backpacks. Love the missile launchers as well. Guess my goal of building a 13th Company is no longer on the trash pile. Can't wait to see further marks and maybe a character or two. FW is going to make some mad bank on these releases. Mad Bank$$$! I ordered just to ride the wave of delayed deliveries.

hmmm... maybe if i wait a few more years, my second edition "Chubby Stoagie" pattern bolters will be back in style again??!?

The wings are kinda fugly, they look like they're barely attached.

As far as the rules, the first thing that pisses me off is that it's a tank. That's slowed, something this high up shouldn't be tank shocking anyone. And given the rules for tank shock it would never be able to make contact with a squad anyway because it's way too high up.

I'm still not sure why it can carry 10 terminators, but whatever. The main weapon is pretty deadly, thankfully it has a short range and a very limited field of fiew. I don't understand why it can move 36 inches in a turn, that's eldar territory.

It seems very undercosted to me. It's less than a freakin land raider and far more useful. Once it drops off its squad into an assault it has free reign to fly around the battlefield smashing into gak or tank shocking till the cows come home. 235pts is a bad joke.

Crablezworth wrote:
The wings are kinda fugly, they look like they're barely attached.

As far as the rules, the first thing that pisses me off is that it's a tank. That's slowed, something this high up shouldn't be tank shocking anyone. And given the rules for tank shock it would never be able to make contact with a squad anyway because it's way too high up.

I'm still not sure why it can carry 10 terminators, but whatever. The main weapon is pretty deadly, thankfully it has a short range and a very limited field of fiew. I don't understand why it can move 36 inches in a turn, that's eldar territory.

It seems very undercosted to me. It's less than a freakin land raider and far more useful. Once it drops off its squad into an assault it has free reign to fly around the battlefield smashing into gak or tank shocking till the cows come home. 235pts is a bad joke.

the tank status is necessary otherwise it would almost never get off a ram; you could just screen enemy vehicles with a small spaced out squad of guardsmen and it would never be able to get the ram off. as for undercosted and ugly wings, agreed. the blood angel storm raven is only 35pts less and has ALOT less special rules. pretty much the only advantage it has is that it can carry a dread. otherwise, for 35pts, the cestus has better armor, weapons, and speed. one other thing is that the BA are specifically left OUT of the list of which marines can take it. interesting...

dienekes96 wrote:FW is going to make some mad bank on these releases. Mad Bank$$$!

Agreed!

dienekes96 wrote:I ordered just to ride the wave of delayed deliveries.

Ha! Now that is a LOL moment there - and too true as well!

Though I think FW has been getting a bit better lately...

Maybe!

Its about time space marines got a Lancer assault rifle! Not a big fan of rogue trader bolters in the slightest but the chainsaw attachment is cool to use

warboss wrote:

Crablezworth wrote:
The wings are kinda fugly, they look like they're barely attached.

As far as the rules, the first thing that pisses me off is that it's a tank. That's slowed, something this high up shouldn't be tank shocking anyone. And given the rules for tank shock it would never be able to make contact with a squad anyway because it's way too high up.

I'm still not sure why it can carry 10 terminators, but whatever. The main weapon is pretty deadly, thankfully it has a short range and a very limited field of fiew. I don't understand why it can move 36 inches in a turn, that's eldar territory.

It seems very undercosted to me. It's less than a freakin land raider and far more useful. Once it drops off its squad into an assault it has free reign to fly around the battlefield smashing into gak or tank shocking till the cows come home. 235pts is a bad joke.

the tank status is necessary otherwise it would almost never get off a ram; you could just screen enemy vehicles with a small spaced out squad of guardsmen and it would never be able to get the ram off. as for undercosted and ugly wings, agreed. the blood angel storm raven is only 35pts less and has ALOT less special rules. pretty much the only advantage it has is that it can carry a dread. otherwise, for 35pts, the cestus has better armor, weapons, and speed. one other thing is that the BA are specifically left OUT of the list of which marines can take it. interesting...

Doesn't even make sense to not include BA. It's not as if the stormraven has the same role. It's a gunship/ lander not a boarding craft. And why would they phase out this in favor of a stormraven when this is better in almost every way?

Not like it matters since its FW.. If you like it just use it, you need opponents permission anyway :p

errr... no you don't. Nowhere does it say anywhere that you need opponents permission to use anything from Forgeworld. You don't need anymore permission to use Forgeworld rules than you do to use Blood Angels (yes, believe it or not, I CAN refuse to play you because of the army you're using, just like I CAN refuse to play you if you're using Forgeworld).

NERD
GASM
x10

I don't care for the ram ship, but I'll be purchasing atleast 1 of everything else.

I will grab those Rouge Trader guns to Stick on my Thosand Suns, and my Tranquility Snipers. The Ram would be a Great Stormraven.

I'm just trying to figure out how forgeworld will fit these in universe as they said these are to be set in the 41st not in the heresy, looks like some sort of fleet based action conciderinfg the "assault ship" and "savage firefights of fleet-based boarding actions" it refers to

I'm not sold on these though, MK3 is a little to far back for my liking, i'll wait for the MK5's to come out. the CAESTUS is cool though, saw it last year at games day and it looked better then but it's still cool just not as cool as t was


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Not sold on the rules for the Caetus though, ten terminators? how could a terminator fit through that door

The ram ship will go well with my Iron Warriors.

The marines definetly have an old look to them. They look like RT era marines, but in a bad way. Not a fan.

chaos0xomega wrote:errr... no you don't. Nowhere does it say anywhere that you need opponents permission to use anything from Forgeworld. You don't need anymore permission to use Forgeworld rules than you do to use Blood Angels (yes, believe it or not, I CAN refuse to play you because of the army you're using, just like I CAN refuse to play you if you're using Forgeworld).

the rules also don't say that i roll a die and on a 1-6 i win regardless of other considerations but that's not true either. pg. 86 tells you what you CAN do about a dozen times, which is to choose forces from the relevant codex. are forge world books codicies? (the plural of codex) no. you're choosing units or organizations from an alternate source not covered by the rules which therefore requires an opponent's permission, just like using chapter approved rules/alternate books like planetstrike/internet fan creations. personally, i don't mind and let people use nonflyers and non-superheavies when they ask but it's my choice per the rules. it's not the same as refusing to play someone who painted their legal army blue or is using a legal codex. can you show me in the rulebook where it states otherwise?

Hmm, a sprue of each would be nice to sprinkle into my already hodge-podge CSM renegades.

I'm a fan of the MkIII armor here. I'm just angered that FW doesn't sell the models with weapons options. They force you to buy a seperate weapons pack that is incomplete. If you are forcing me to buy seperate weapons at least give me every option available to a tactical squad, including sergeant options.

Quick Question:

Is the Forgeworld Shipping still very slow unless the Express option is paid for?

I get mine 3-4 days after I order, when I send stuff to the USA it's there about a week later.


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augustus5 wrote:I'm a fan of the MkIII armor here. I'm just angered that FW doesn't sell the models with weapons options. They force you to buy a seperate weapons pack that is incomplete. If you are forcing me to buy seperate weapons at least give me every option available to a tactical squad, including sergeant options.

£20 for 5 marines ..........

I really don't get the mention of "it just doesn't look aerodynamic".

It's not supposed to be. It's a flying brick, hurtling at supersonic speeds with shields up on the front to crash into something and disgorge a payload of zealous superhuman killing machines.

The discussion over whether or not FW models are legal is a topic for another thread. Let's leave this one for frothing over new stuff...


Speaking of which, as excited as I am by the MkIII armour, for some reason the pick of this bunch for me is the missile launcher. Always loved the RT-era launchers.

Miss Dee wrote:

£20 for 5 marines ..........

There is that, but with the current price hike that took effect this month, the price doesn't feel that bad after converting to american dollars. Well... at least it's a little easier to justify.

Personally, I always liked the RT lascannons. There's just...something about them. I don't know what it is.

chaos0xomega wrote:errr... no you don't. Nowhere does it say anywhere that you need opponents permission to use anything from Forgeworld. You don't need anymore permission to use Forgeworld rules than you do to use Blood Angels (yes, believe it or not, I CAN refuse to play you because of the army you're using, just like I CAN refuse to play you if you're using Forgeworld).

Actually yes you do. Forge World rules are not official and are not part of a codex so no you can not just bring it and play. So while you can certainly refuse to play anyone you aren't supposed to use Forge World rules without the consent of your opponent. "Officially" you can only use things from an official GW codex without asking permission and the rules published by Forge World don't count as coming from an official codex (according to GW).


But back on topic. MKIII armor looks sweet and I am looking forward to seeing the other releases. Not so hot on the other stuff though. The bolters have a lack of detail and I never liked the old rogue trader missile launcher which I always thought just looked retro sci fi dumb. Flamer and meltagun are ok but the plastic ones look better. I will probably just use the plastic weapons on my pre-heresy armies (and that is a serious anachronism!!!!!)

Yay we're back on topic!


I really doubt that the Caestus signals a boarding action expansion. I really do, as much as I want to see it. Something like that is just as effective as smashing into a building.

Kanluwen wrote:Yay we're back on topic!


I really doubt that the Caestus signals a boarding action expansion. I really do, as much as I want to see it. Something like that is just as effective as smashing into a building.

Even the blurb in the MKIII armour mentions fighting onboard ships. Nothing's set in stone, but it's looking like a safe bet.

Raxor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Yay we're back on topic!


I really doubt that the Caestus signals a boarding action expansion. I really do, as much as I want to see it. Something like that is just as effective as smashing into a building.

Even the blurb in the MKIII armour mentions fighting onboard ships. Nothing's set in stone, but it's looking like a safe bet.

That would be cool as long as it was either just a part of an IA book (but not the entire thing) or if it was a smaller supplement like Aeronautica Imperialis. You could do some very cool stuff with boarding actions and rules for Space Hulks and what not.

But I am more interested in seeing what GW will do when Forge World can't keep their new Heresy Era stuff in stock!!!!! I love Forge World but I really would like to see GW just dump 40k and fo with 30k

Now tempted to hammer out an Iron warriors army :(

Just waiting a while 1st too see what else gets released before i decide on anything.

Raxor wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:Yay we're back on topic!


I really doubt that the Caestus signals a boarding action expansion. I really do, as much as I want to see it. Something like that is just as effective as smashing into a building.

Even the blurb in the MKIII armour mentions fighting onboard ships. Nothing's set in stone, but it's looking like a safe bet.

Want to know what else has a blurb about being used for fighting onboard ships?

The Elysian lascutter.

What a complete con that they sell the boltguns seperately. for a tenner.

Well... the Iron Armour guys are awesome. The retro weapon set is very cool, even the bolters are nice. Not 100% sold on the flying brick, mostly because its wings look goofy (and will break off the model in a heartbeat) but otherwise this is a pretty sweet set of releases.

Now if FW would do some Pre-Heresy Terminators, I think most of us would go insane.

Kanluwen wrote:I really don't get the mention of "it just doesn't look aerodynamic".

Exactly. It's designed for ramming ships in space. It's essentially an aerospace fighter, and isn't required to be aerodynamic as there's no air in space.

Orinoco wrote:What a complete con that they sell the boltguns seperately. for a tenner.

It does at least mean that if you want the armour to put into a 'modern' Marine army, you're not buying a bunch of old-style bolters you don't need.

Definitely sold on the Iron Armor set, that will find it's way into my heresy Scars.....

The flying thing though, not impressed. It looks like a poorly thought out scratch build.

I like everything about the Caestus...EXCEPT for the wing placement. IMHO, it looks somewhat fragile and "unrealistic" (yes, I know that's a whole other debate. )

BUT just looking at the images, it appears it wouldn't be too hard to relocated the wings further down the sides of the rear fuselage, and make the model a lot closer in appearance to the "original" design (below). The wing has that nice 90 degree bend in it - almost appears like it was made to be relocated to lower down. If I had the scratchbuilding skills, I think I'd probably have a go at the Landspeeder style fairing over the top as well...

Definitely on the "will buy" list...

As for the other releases...I've got a heap of RTB01 bolters, marines, and heavy weapons that I've just been inspired to incorporate into my "modern" army!

Padre^.

insaniak wrote:

Orinoco wrote:What a complete con that they sell the boltguns seperately. for a tenner.

It does at least mean that if you want the armour to put into a 'modern' Marine army, you're not buying a bunch of old-style bolters you don't need.

Next they'll have us buying the backpacks seperately

insaniak wrote:

Orinoco wrote:What a complete con that they sell the boltguns seperately. for a tenner.

It does at least mean that if you want the armour to put into a 'modern' Marine army, you're not buying a bunch of old-style bolters you don't need.

Honestly, they can't win with the boltgun placement.

If they were only available in the Iron Armor set--there'd be whining. If they were available in packs of 5, there'd be complaints that you "don't get enough", etc.

It's 10 for 10 GBP(15 USD), including the bayonets, that are redone so that they can work not only with the Iron Armors...but even with the 'new' Marks that we have now in Tactical Squads.

And would you look at that, they give you enough for a 10 man Tactical Squad.

I don't see a problem with it. As mentioned, you're not always going to want to have the Pre-Heresy Bolters, so packaging then in with the Iron Armour would be akin to... well... this.

Splitting out the weapons gives the consumer more options, not less. Yeah, the stuff is still pricey, but that is a given. Including the guns and making the price 30 quid is, definitively, a worse option.

And I wish the backpacks were separate. They are my favorite part

H.B.M.C. wrote:I don't see a problem with it. As mentioned, you're not always going to want to have the Pre-Heresy Bolters, so packaging then in with the Iron Armour would be akin to... well... this.

The Deathwatch conversion kit is a bit of a different beast, I think. Metal shoulderpads, two different sets of metal heads, and the bolters make for a weird bit package. I'd say, personally, it'd be more akin to the metal Plasma Gun/Meltagun bit packages.

Kanluwen wrote:The Deathwatch conversion kit is a bit of a different beast, I think. Metal shoulderpads, two different sets of metal heads, and the bolters make for a weird bit package. I'd say, personally, it'd be more akin to the metal Plasma Gun/Meltagun bit packages.

My point was that as someone who has built a Deathwatch Army (despite your insistence Kan that such a thing is 'wrong'), and even for anyone wanting to build a simple DW Kill Team - the Shoulder Pads and Bolters are what you need. Having 5 of two different heads isn't all that useful, about as useful as someone buying the Iron Armour to make into Sternguard w/Combi-Weapons and being saddled with 10 Bolters they don't want.

H.B.M.C. wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:The Deathwatch conversion kit is a bit of a different beast, I think. Metal shoulderpads, two different sets of metal heads, and the bolters make for a weird bit package. I'd say, personally, it'd be more akin to the metal Plasma Gun/Meltagun bit packages.

My point was that as someone who has built a Deathwatch Army (despite your insistence Kan that such a thing is 'wrong'), and even for anyone wanting to build a simple DW Kill Team - the Shoulder Pads and Bolters are what you need. Having 5 of two different heads isn't all that useful, about as useful as someone buying the Iron Armour to make into Sternguard w/Combi-Weapons and being saddled with 10 Bolters they don't want.

Well it is wrong, from a fluff basis!

But that's neither here nor there. I know your point, was just pointing out it's not the best comparison.

Space Marine boarding craft and old-school marines.

Is anyone else thinking IA: Space Crusade?

I think I will get a ten man squad, just to compliment my Cypher model. -Possible traitors in the making?

AlexHolker wrote:Space Marine boarding craft and old-school marines.

Is anyone else thinking IA: Space Crusade?

No, not really!

In fact, I think some people here have already guessed correctly!

I love the Iron Armour!!! When I was younger, GW used to put out multiple pieces of all the old armours so you could build up an entire squad, now they make that Armour Through the Ages set...

And yes, they should have taken the pics with the Umbra pattern bolters, but they may not have been ready yet...

Not sure about the Ram thing yet... I was hoping it would look cool eough for the Blood Raven thingy for Blood Angels so my buddy wil stop griping about no model!

Forgeworld is as forgeworld does. But there's no way I'm forking over 150 bucks for the Caestus with their resin quality reputation. Even if the stock ship would make for a decent landraider replacement for my Space Wolf army.

Jayden63 wrote:Forgeworld is as forgeworld does. But there's no way I'm forking over 150 bucks for the Caestus with their resin quality reputation. Even if the stock ship would make for a decent landraider replacement for my Space Wolf army.

You could probably convert your own using a Land Raider and a Valkyrie. You'd still come out on top in terms of price.

I, for one, like the Caestus, though I'd probably do something to make the wings a bit more structurally sound...

I'd be very surprised if the next IA isn't about a Space Marine chapter (possibly continuing with the Raven Guard?) doing some boarding actions. Hasn't it been mentioned that the IA team wanted to get back to Eldar? How awesome would it be to do boarding actions on to a Craftworld?

Commander Endova wrote:I, for one, like the Caestus, though I'd probably do something to make the wings a bit more structurally sound...

I'd be very surprised if the next IA isn't about a Space Marine chapter (possibly continuing with the Raven Guard?) doing some boarding actions. Hasn't it been mentioned that the IA team wanted to get back to Eldar? How awesome would it be to do boarding actions on to a Craftworld?

That would make alot of sense with the phantom in the works.

I really, really like everything they have done.

A stormraven wouldhave been more appreciated than a cestus but the olde style weapons and the iron armour are just great.

I wouldn't be suprised if the next IA had nothing to do with boarding actions.

IA already did a ruleset for fighting in corridors, including breach & clear tactics. If that can't be applied for a ship boarding game, I don't know what can.

The new version of Space Hulk is still... well... new. Couple that with the above fact, and IMO, FW would be wasting a lot of time on a book about something they've already covered when they could be writing about something new.

I love the Mk III marines.

As my Blood Angel army is mostly made up of RT-era marines, I see a squad of these in my future to make Sternguard.

Lovely...

FM Ninja 048 wrote:

Commander Endova wrote:I, for one, like the Caestus, though I'd probably do something to make the wings a bit more structurally sound...

I'd be very surprised if the next IA isn't about a Space Marine chapter (possibly continuing with the Raven Guard?) doing some boarding actions. Hasn't it been mentioned that the IA team wanted to get back to Eldar? How awesome would it be to do boarding actions on to a Craftworld?

That would make alot of sense with the phantom in the works.

Considering that the next IA is slated to be a continuation of the Ork Waagh! began in IA8...I don't think so, at all.

Eldar are, however, slated to be a fifth column styled force involved in the Imperium and Ork slugfest.

Alpharius wrote:

Kryppers wrote:They're a bit nice, but the Mk3 helmets certainly don't look like the same helmet (which I assumed was a Mk3 visored helm) that the newsletter posted as a teaser... more to come methinks..?

I was just about to mention this too!



It is significantly different!

MKII



MKIII



It doesn't quite look like either...

The mystery of it all!

Possibly a 'custom' suit for the upcoming IA: *********?

Well, we can assume it's a post heresy loyalist character on account of the aquila on it's chest. The backpack and neck guard (for the life of me I can't remember what the proper name for that part of the armour is called) place it to be a later set of armour, probably custom as alpharius mentioned, but I have a hunch it may incorporate elements of Mk8

am I right in remembering some mention of a Deathkorps redux? because the helmet looks very similar to the krieg.
I just hope I can get a pack of those helmets seperately... much nicer than the mk3 set.

I believe it is time to bear the word of the Emperor to the infidelic foe. In stylish Granite grey.

Dammit, and I was so looking forward to have soome money in the bank as well.

Everytime a marine gets fw resin legs, an alpharius gets wings.

And flies to the nearest ATM lol.

Great set, not sold on the boarding shuttle, the design looks confused to me, as if they started building it without too much concept preparation if that makes any sense?

Over all though, great news for every strata of space marine fan!

MajorTom11 wrote:Everytime a marine gets fw resin legs, an alpharius gets wings.

And flies to the nearest ATM lol.

Too true!

And look out, because apparently there's going to be a lot of flying Legionnaires soon!

I'm thinking that the armour is excellent, not sure about the weapons, and I like the caestus, if i had a marine army still i'd consider one.

Personlly i'm thinking that the'll do the badab wars, i was reading some fluff about bording actions in the fighting there

That stuff is epic! The £92 price tag on the Caestus is a bit of a downer but I may certainly get a squad of the Iron Marines, maybe use them as Sternguard Veterans. Not the biggest fan on the weapons though as we may revert back to the days where a Devestator's weapon was twice as big as he was.

Valkyrie wrote:That stuff is epic! The £92 price tag on the Caestus is a bit of a downer but I may certainly get a squad of the Iron Marines, maybe use them as Sternguard Veterans. Not the biggest fan on the weapons though as we may revert back to the days where a Devestator's weapon was twice as big as he was.

but i liked those weapons, the new one's anger me

Valkyrie wrote: Not the biggest fan on the weapons though as we may revert back to the days where a Devestator's weapon was twice as big as he was.

Rogue Trader era heavy weapons were smaller than the current batch (which are the same size as the 2nd ed-era shoulder mounted weapons, just moved off the shoulder), so I'm not really sure what you're referring to here.

Have to agree - that is an odd comment...

insaniak wrote:

Valkyrie wrote: Not the biggest fan on the weapons though as we may revert back to the days where a Devestator's weapon was twice as big as he was.

Rogue Trader era heavy weapons were smaller than the current batch (which are the same size as the 2nd ed-era shoulder mounted weapons, just moved off the shoulder), so I'm not really sure what you're referring to here.

To be fair, the RT era Marines were also smaller.

I can't say I'm in love with them, contradictory to what the general feeling is. I don't like them. Hell, 5 will look impressive on the Table-Top, but if you actually look at the Detail Pictures and examine the Individual Miniatures... they just don't do it for me...

The umbra pattern bolter needed the magazine placement change because the old way makes it a bastard to position with the newer arms. I ended up shifting mine back to the trigger like FW have done because otherwise the marine couldn't hold it.
I'm, guessing the mk3 marines are holding the godwins and modern melta to show that the models are compatible with existing weapons.
That caestus is a very nice landing craft and has obvious influence from WWII vintage craft. What a pity it is not designed for ramming into the side of an armour plated spaceship. I'd have expected a nice pointy front for this. Maybe this thing is designed just to land inside a hanger or on the surface of the ship, It doesn't say, but it sure wont go into the side of a ship and those wings look destined to snap off in such an attempt which makes it a one way craft for suicide missions if that's it purpose.
Fortunately the marines and the weapons make up for that poor man's thunderhawk.

In regards to the old RT era bolters with the clip all the way to the front: I think those have been retconned out. If you look at HH cover art you'll see that they are using the "modern" style bolters exclusively.

Popsicle wrote:I can't say I'm in love with them, contradictory to what the general feeling is. I don't like them. Hell, 5 will look impressive on the Table-Top, but if you actually look at the Detail Pictures and examine the Individual Miniatures... they just don't do it for me...

Waiter - there's a fly in my soup!

Alpharius wrote:

Popsicle wrote:I can't say I'm in love with them, contradictory to what the general feeling is. I don't like them. Hell, 5 will look impressive on the Table-Top, but if you actually look at the Detail Pictures and examine the Individual Miniatures... they just don't do it for me...

Waiter - there's a fly in my soup!

Alpharius is Michael Steele!

Was that too obscure?

cadbren wrote:The umbra pattern bolter needed the magazine placement change because the old way makes it a bastard to position with the newer arms. I ended up shifting mine back to the trigger like FW have done because otherwise the marine couldn't hold it.

Cadbren, thanks for pointing that out. I was bumming on the clip placement until I read your post.

At least at one point a bolter shell has been described as having a micro rocket type motor for its guide assist. Rockets don't need as long a barrel as bullets. A rocket would only need 1.5 times its length for its barrel length to get what it needs less if its aided by an expulsion charge.

Bolters still are that. They were also caseless, meaning no use of ejection ports, instead they had vents along the side of the weapon, as can be seen in full glory and action with the good old Rogue Trader cover art.

But as with most things, the rule of cool overruled that bit, because weapons ejecting piles of brass are way cooler.

Alpharius wrote:

Kryppers wrote:They're a bit nice, but the Mk3 helmets certainly don't look like the same helmet (which I assumed was a Mk3 visored helm) that the newsletter posted as a teaser... more to come methinks..?

I was just about to mention this too!



It is significantly different!

MKII



MKIII



It doesn't quite look like either...

The mystery of it all!

Possibly a 'custom' suit for the upcoming IA: *********?

How come no one has said it looks like a pagk?...it looks like one...maybe the surprise is link with gks?...haha wishful thinking i know...

because we know better than that.

the pics name includes numbers and such and the initals 'HG' thus denoting honour guard (which some of us at warseer are guessing it is)


also @kryppers you CAN read can't you??? the mention that it's simply a first wave means people who have read this thing properely already knowtheres more coming.

I think those armors look great, I can't wait to see what the other Mk armors will look like, might have to buy some.

For people asking if the FW rules require consent, the debate should go there http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/308841.page#1798235 and not in this thread

The Caestus design, I'm sure, is a nod to Space Hulk. Two 5-man Termy Squads entering side by side.

Interesting tidbit from Shroudfilm over at The Great Crusade (and AWESOME Pre-Heresy forum, by the way!):

Shroudfilm wrote:
I'm fairly sure I am allowed to comment on this, as I'm not a GW employee but I have been party to some of the discussion at HQ regarding the desire for PH tie-ins...

GW won't release or endorse specialist products which are not part of main lines. Games which are considered 'specialist' which they DO support are ones that USED to be main lines but sales dropped.

Consider FW to be a testing ground for everything GW is unsure about. Anything which sells well or receives particular acclaim from modellers/gamers is snapped up by GW and produced in plastic as a mainstream release (Baneblade, Stormhammer, Drop Pods, newer variant styles of IG main tanks etc)

Basically, I think this is a VERY GOOD SIGN that GW is taking Heresy fans seriously, and we should buy lots of them! The RS and RG packs were proof that people wanted PH armour, and to my eyes this looks like a final test of the proverbial waters before a plastic decision is made.

Nice!

Also, from the same site, from Lord Commander Lucius:

Lord Commander Lucius wrote:

Thanks to a convasation with one of my local staff members, i can reveal what he told me. Take it as you will.

The next IA book is the Badab Wars and the packs are for the chapters involved. The lander from GD is a terminator assault vessel for boarding ships and can carry 10 termis, 5 in each side and has melta weapons built in, though i thinks that bit is in the newsletter.
There is also a loyalist version of Lugft Huron in terminator armour on the way.

As i said before, this could all be misdirection but i somehow doubt it. He was leaving the store today so had no need to be candid with us.

So, Badab Wars, confirmed?

Would seem to match up with the hints that FW has been dropping lately...

As much as I love PH stuff and am thrilled they are finally getting to it, at the same time I wish they would turn their eyes forward as well into the unknown.

As an adult, I have trouble enjoying imperial fluff in modern 40k anymore as it requires you to believe a society so massive and advanced could possibly function with such backwards and anti-innovative policies. Every option for technological evolution is cut off through fluff... study advanced alien tech? nope it's dirty heresy. Study our own tech? Nope it's heresy against the tooth fairies that live in my toaster. As I get older and learn more about politics, history and technology, I have a very hard time believing a society of that size, with those policies, could last more than a few hundred years, never mind 10000.

I get that this allows an excuse for game balance etc, but honestly, it would be really nice to see a completely new unit. It would be nice to read some fluff about a discovery or a change. The fluff of the Imperium is that is a stagnant, sorry place, but after 20+ years, the fluff itself is getting a bit stagnant too lol.

er... so ya, all that to say I want to see a NEW armor type as well as old ones lol. There was concept art a few years back of devastators and a few marines that looked amazing, but it was a little different and techier than the norm and never came to fruition. That is the kind of stuff I would love to see if some of you know to what I am referring.

Yeah, sadly that isn't going to happen.

I'm not saying it shouldn't, it just isn't!

A certain amount of disbelief has to be suspended at the door, otherwise...

My pre-heresy death guard will look nice in those suits!

insaniak wrote:

Valkyrie wrote: Not the biggest fan on the weapons though as we may revert back to the days where a Devestator's weapon was twice as big as he was.

Rogue Trader era heavy weapons were smaller than the current batch (which are the same size as the 2nd ed-era shoulder mounted weapons, just moved off the shoulder), so I'm not really sure what you're referring to here.

While the early RT heavies were pretty small the late RT/2nd edition devs had HUGE boxy weapons on their shoulders.

Alpharius wrote:Yeah, sadly that isn't going to happen.

I'm not saying it shouldn't, it just isn't!

A certain amount of disbelief has to be suspended at the door, otherwise...

Ya I know... I would be more apt to suspend my disbelief in exchange for something freshly unbelievable though instead of rehash with a twist once in a while, after all, it's still gotta be 40k! (or maybe 45k or something, just to jump ahead a bit and see what happens!)

I suppose it has to be said...

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"Ack! Chaplain Grimaldus!"
"Hail to thee High Marshal Helbrecht!"
"Vot is this I hear that you will use your Ram today?"
"Aye High Marshal, my Ram has been polished and annointed with the sacred oils! Every part is well-lubricated and ready for I believe it will see heavy use this night!"
"Vot is your plan?"
"My plan, my plan is simple! It is the plan our mighty Primarch did use 10,000 years ago. I shall unleash my ram and build up power. Then when the moment is right it shall hurl forward with unimaginable power and penetrate the vulnerable rear!"
"The rear you say?"
"Aye! There my Ram shall lodge deep within my target and I shall unleash it's potent payload of white hot death!"
"Und then?"
"Then I shall pull out, my Ram will regain its power and once more it shall hurl forth and penetrate the rear of a new target! Or mayhap I shall instead penetrate the same target anew until my victim begs for mercy! Truly none shall withstand the power of my Ram this night!"
"Yah, yah, isht good. I hear your Neophytes vill join you."
"Of course! For they must learn not only how to penetrate the rear but also how to react when their own rear is penetrated!"
"Isht ein valuable experience. I shtill remember the firsht time I penetrated the rear vit you."
"It shall be glorious!"
"Yest, yest, but it isht still many hours away."
"Alas."
"In the meantime vot isht disht I hear about a boarding action..."

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Join us next time when Grimaldus and Helbrecht discuss their Goliath Mega Cannon.

"Steel yourselves Neophytes! Some men have fainted when they see the length and girth of my mighty GOLIATH MEGA CANNON!"

I'm not so sure it HAD to be said but it was entertaining.

The Caestus looks interesting. A pity it's an Astartes vehicle though. Wonder if I could use them and convert them for Sororitas use.

Melissia wrote:The Caestus looks interesting. A pity it's an Astartes vehicle though. Wonder if I could use them and convert them for Sororitas use.

Fluff-wise, probably not. The Ecclesiarchy isn't really supposed to have naval assets.

The Inquisition on the other hand...

YEAGHHHHHHHHHHHH DA' MARINES FOR TA' WIN

love the mark III models

the boarding vehhicale looked okay - but i dont see me using it

Kid_Kyoto wrote:I suppose it has to be said...

(SNIP!)

I guess we all should have seen that one... approaching.

Melissia wrote:The Caestus looks interesting. A pity it's an Astartes vehicle though. Wonder if I could use them and convert them for Sororitas use.

Marines do have a few (!) exclusive vehicles.

You'll have to remain content with Exorcists and the like...

Melissia wrote:The Caestus looks interesting. A pity it's an Astartes vehicle though. Wonder if I could use them and convert them for Sororitas use.

Yep, go for it!

H.B.M.C. wrote:The Inquisition on the other hand...

Well, I don't play Inquisition.

But the fluff DOES say that the Caestus is not the only version of the assault ram, so I could imagine there might be a variant the Ecclesiarchy managed to acquire for its Sisters. Course that means there could also be one for Guard, too (an imperial navy boarding craft complete with shotgun-wielding veterans as naval marines?), which could be cool.

Melissia wrote:
But the fluff DOES say that the Caestus is not the only version of the assault ram, so I could imagine there might be a variant the Ecclesiarchy managed to acquire for its Sisters. Course that means there could also be one for Guard, too (an imperial navy boarding craft complete with shotgun-wielding veterans as naval marines?), which could be cool.

well, looky here, we've got a lil' miss vandire on our hands! remember, it's a slippery slope from daughter to bride of the emperor once you start giving the ecclesiarchy naval assets! joking!

i could see them using naval assets (especially at the order of a witch hunter inquisitor) but i'd personally be too tempted to paint the thing black and start putting organs and fleur de li's on it if i were an SOB player. (and, yes, i know organs don't work in space! lol)

warboss wrote:

Melissia wrote:
But the fluff DOES say that the Caestus is not the only version of the assault ram, so I could imagine there might be a variant the Ecclesiarchy managed to acquire for its Sisters. Course that means there could also be one for Guard, too (an imperial navy boarding craft complete with shotgun-wielding veterans as naval marines?), which could be cool.

well, looky here, we've got a lil' miss vandire on our hands! remember, it's a slippery slope from daughter to bride of the emperor once you start giving the ecclesiarchy naval assets! joking!

i could see them using naval assets (especially at the order of a witch hunter inquisitor) but i'd personally be too tempted to paint the thing black and start putting organs and fleur de li's on it if i were an SOB player. (and, yes, i know organs don't work in space! lol)

Classic!

And no, no naval assets for them - no no!

Of course, in the freedom of our own basements, LGS, etc, anything goes - but the Strict Adherents To Fluff would not dream of such things, even then!

Alpharius: There's no real evidence against Sisters having naval assets. There is only lack of evidence for it-- but then there's also a general lack of evidence on how they actually get from planet to planet, but we know they do it somehow. Might as well be with their own ecclesiarchy-funded transport craft.

WArboss: Consideirng far fewer Sisters have turned to chaos than Marines (Even just percentage-wise) even if you only count the time since the Adepta Sororitas was officially formed, I doubt there's that much of a chance of that happening.

Also, to bring this back on topic, I just like how the Caestus looks. It almost looks... Orky. Actually it'd make good conversion fodder for an Ork craft, too... or a battlewagon. So all three of my armies might be able to use this, if I get the money to get one (cripes that's expensive). How big is it, IE what kind of base does it use?

edit: Herpaderp... I didn't look at the third pic. It's as big as a land raider, I can work with that.

Well battlefleet gothic, in the specialist games stuff there were pictures of sister of battle ships and black library I believe has also depicted their ships. Even still I just don't believe Sister of Battle utilize the same types of ships. It doesn't really fit their modus operandi. Things can always be ret-conned or written as special use, but as it is, SoB are not shock troops, while marines are. Things like drop pods and specialized boarding craft would fall into the domain of equipment for shock troops.

Sisters of Battle, like the IG, use larger landing craft when they land on a planet and engage predominantly in ship to ship boarding actions. Thus I think its a bit contrary to how they operate that they'd keep them on hand.

If Sisters aren't shock troops, then what are they?

Personally, I would say that Sisters fit the idea of shock troops better than Marines do, actually-- Marines are closer to a special forces unit (similar to Stormtroopers, only on a far more elite scale). Sisters are heavily armored front line soldiers with a good numbers and lots of short-ranged firepower. That fits the concept of stormtroopers pretty well...

Certainly enough to give them an orbital lander like the Caestus at any rate.

Melissia wrote:Alpharius: There's no real evidence against Sisters having naval assets. There is only lack of evidence for it-- but then there's also a general lack of evidence on how they actually get from planet to planet, but we know they do it somehow. Might as well be with their own ecclesiarchy-funded transport craft.

OK, good point and fair enough, but I now reserve the right to use the "lack of evidence" against card in my next debate with you!


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Melissia wrote:If Sisters aren't shock troops, then what are they?

Personally, I would say that Sisters fit the idea of shock troops better than Marines do, actually-- Marines are closer to a special forces unit (similar to Stormtroopers, only on a far more elite scale). Sisters are heavily armored front line soldiers with a good numbers and lots of short-ranged firepower. That fits the concept of stormtroopers pretty well...

Sisters are more in line with the definition of Shock Troops than Marines?

Really?

They may fit the bill of 'shock troops' but I think Space Marines are at the head of that line!

Go ahead, it's not like I haven't already played against someone who purchased an exorcist and asked if he could use it as a Space Marine vehicle (and by that, I mean he converted it with symbols of his chapter instead of the fleur, and then wanted to use its rules from C:WH in his C:SM army) I'm not as picky as some people about houseruled units.

I could see the sisters keeping a small number of ship to ship boarding vessels. though they probably wouldn't get used that often.

For instance if they find out about a cult on a valuble space station or ship, they wouldn't want to blow it up and the traitors aren't exactly just going to let them board by shuttle so they would need a couple of boarding craft to break in.

I have the impression that Sisters sometimes deploy from Black Ships, but I don't know where I got that idea from. Maybe an old 40K comic or something... anyhow, wiki 40k has this for what its worth:

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Ordo_Hereticus

I think Bits and kits will have the Mk III bits soon.

Im diggin that vehicle. If I hadnt already converted some stormravens, I would make that my stormravens. It looks SM like, big, blocky, etc.

Father Gabe wrote:Im diggin that vehicle. If I hadnt already converted some stormravens, I would make that my stormravens. It looks SM like, big, blocky, etc.

Is it the right size for a storm raven? It's about the size of a Land Raider.

You'd have to convert the proper weapons onto it, but it'd be hella better than all these valkyrie conversions I see.

It was model bits that said they will be getting the Mk III my bad.


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Hi derina



Recently you may have noticed a survey that popped on the site. The results of that survey indicated that you wanted more than just 40K and Fantasy. One of the main requests was for Forgeworld bits as you said that they're more difficult to get hold of and so I am considering stocking a few select parts to see if they sell well.



I was thinking of starting with the Space Marine MKIII Iron Armour kit when it's released later this month which can be found here: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/Space_Marine-Infantry-Accessories/MK-III-IRON-ARMOUR.html

As there are no discounts and they might be difficult to keep restocked they would understandably command a certain price premium over standard GW bits so I've set out below what I would need to price them at in order to make them an effective part of the range of products on offer:

Arms (Pair) £1.50
Back Packs £1.50
Bodies £1.50
Heads £1.50
Legs £2.00
Shoulder Pad (Each) £1.00

I'd very much like to hear what you think of these prices. Are they too high, too low? About right? Let me know, your feedback is really important and helps me tailor my products to the things you need :-)



Regards, Matt

www.modelbits.co.uk

Melissia wrote:Alpharius: There's no real evidence against Sisters having naval assets. There is only lack of evidence for it-- but then there's also a general lack of evidence on how they actually get from planet to planet, but we know they do it somehow. Might as well be with their own ecclesiarchy-funded transport craft.

They get from planet to planet using Imperial Navy transports. The Ecclesiarchy is forbidden to possess its own fleet by the Decree Passive.

Melissia wrote:If Sisters aren't shock troops, then what are they?

Personally, I would say that Sisters fit the idea of shock troops better than Marines do, actually-- Marines are closer to a special forces unit (similar to Stormtroopers, only on a far more elite scale). Sisters are heavily armored front line soldiers with a good numbers and lots of short-ranged firepower. That fits the concept of stormtroopers pretty well...

Certainly enough to give them an orbital lander like the Caestus at any rate.

Sisters of Battle are the indoctrinated line troops of the religious sect of the Imperium and the main para-militant force of the Ordo Hereticus. They are not within the military hierarchy, nor can the assert command like Space Marines can, that ability lies with an Inquisitor. They lack both rules wise and fluff wise an insertional capability that would put them at the forefront of larger formations, thiis necessary to defining them as shock troop; thus they are not. The "first in" nature of the Space Marines has always been a component who they are, so it goes without say that they are shock troops. In the fluff marines are noted as operating in the smaller better equiped teams necessary to properly engage in boarding actions from boarding craft, SoB are not.

The SoB could always be reinvented as having those abilities to reclassify them as shock troops, but till then its your wishful thinking that any and all militant forces can have a particular ability.

SoB utilize the same type of landers the IG use, the very large company sized landers, that enable them to land their mobile cathedrals and less space drop worthy vehicles. While its described as a lander the Caestus is more a boarding vehicle with a ramming capability. That isn't what SoB do, they'd be better off with a variant of Valkyrie or a bulkier Arvus type vehicle that can transport 20 SoB.

Please take all background type posts over to the...Background section!

We're all guilty of OT here - but time to move it to the right place!

Off topic:

Melissia wrote:If Sisters aren't shock troops, then what are they?

They are the mop up crew. They go around and purify the area after the battle has moved on.

On topic:

I find it dissapointing that while FW does larger scale Eldar avatars and othe such models, they seem unwilling to tackle the concept of true scale SMs. SMs that are actually a third taller and larger than the average IG model.

Ad for the The Caestus. It seems a little OP for the cost but I like the model. Only real problem I have is with the unfortunate name.(Hint, drop the a out of the name and think of the jokes that will be made.

focusedfire wrote:Ad for the The Caestus. It seems a little OP for the cost but I like the model. Only real problem I have is with the unfortunate name.(Hint, drop the a out of the name and think of the jokes that will be made.

a leather sometimes weighted boxing glove for roman gladiators? i think the reference is appropriate for something that is meant to smash bluntly into a larger object (like a cestus-armed fist with another gladiator's face).

Will do...

I'm just happy to see FW do what it should have been doing for a while. These types of addon bits and specialized kits are really the best utilization of the smaller run size capabilities of the resin casting production method. I just hope they're willing to move past marines. I love marines, but seeing more for other factions would be great. I think this is a great way to continue to grow FW accessibility while maintaining its prestige status.

Earlier there was all the talk about splitting up the weapons from the marines. In an ideal world you could have it both ways, I don't think its necessarily an option for FW. Lumping all the parts together or having them separate... its a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario. Its convenient to some if they're lumped together but its also convenient to others that they aren't. The group that is less catered to seems to be complaining, presumably because they feel if they didn't have to *click* "add to cart" as often it might be cheaper.

focusedfire wrote:I find it dissapointing that while FW does larger scale Eldar avatars and othe such models, they seem unwilling to tackle the concept of true scale SMs. SMs that are actually a third taller and larger than the average IG model.

They did an avatar and I think its one of their best models.

True scale is in the eye of the beholder... marines aren't out of scale, Imperial Guards and average humans are (to a degree)... other than that you're insisting that a game maker who's aesthetic is based on distorted proportions abandon its characteristic "style." If you look at the Assassins and Sisters of Battle, they are closer to the appropriate relative scale to marines. Then you get into the subjective portion, where marines height fluff wise varies from 7-8ft... placing the models at 32-35mm in height. Most plastic marine models are about 30mm and would easily make up the other two if they stood straight and not in "battle" poses.

Also I'm pretty sure "Caestus" is just the more antiquated spelling.

Everthing looks nice overall.

Actually my Battle Sister models are taller than Astartes models. Which is reaaaaally inappropriate as in the fluff they'd be about two to three feet shorter (assuming that the height of the average female in the Imperium is similar to the height of the average female in modern times).

Melissia wrote:Actually my Battle Sister models are taller than Astartes models. Which is reaaaaally inappropriate as in the fluff they'd be about two to three feet shorter (assuming that the height of the average female in the Imperium is similar to the height of the average female in modern times).

But why assume that? Surely with a million worlds out there and high-end genetic and drug treatments available for the elite there's no reason someone can't create an army of 7' amazonian battle sisters.

That's why a lot of the fluff arguements are just pointless, if I want an army of 5' tall marines a head shorter than Cadians (which my RT plastics are) then so be it.

Err, what? Fluff discussions aren't silly. Fluff discussions based off of the models are silly. Neither the size of the models nor the size of the battlefield are directly representative of anything in the fluff.

Kid_Kyoto wrote:That's why a lot of the fluff arguements are just pointless, if I want an army of 5' tall marines a head shorter than Cadians (which my RT plastics are) then so be it.

Melissia wrote:Err, what? Fluff discussions aren't silly. Fluff discussions based off of the models are silly. Neither the size of the models nor the size of the battlefield are directly representative of anything in the fluff.

Talk about splitting hairs? How are the models and fluff not related? They are all 40k any way you slice it. GW can make the fluff and models whatever they want, hence, Fluff arguments are pointless.

You may not care for it, but the fluff is sole reason 40k doesn't suck for me. The game is shoddy, the models are mostly crappy (although I like some of the newer ones, like the Manticore and the Caestus), painting is a chore that I don't enjoy, games workshop itself seems like a trainwreck in slow motion, and so on and so forth. Fluff is king, queen, jack, ace, and ten, and they're all the same suite.

Melissia wrote:You may not care for it, but the fluff is sole reason 40k doesn't suck for me.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that I didn't care for the fluff.

Eh, I misread your post. I disagree regardless (arguing about the fluff isn't pointless to me at least, I enjoy it).

whitedragon wrote:

Kid_Kyoto wrote:That's why a lot of the fluff arguements are just pointless, if I want an army of 5' tall marines a head shorter than Cadians (which my RT plastics are) then so be it.

Melissia wrote:Err, what? Fluff discussions aren't silly. Fluff discussions based off of the models are silly. Neither the size of the models nor the size of the battlefield are directly representative of anything in the fluff.

Talk about splitting hairs? How are the models and fluff not related? They are all 40k any way you slice it. GW can make the fluff and models whatever they want, hence, Fluff arguments are pointless.

Marine tank crew cannot actually fit through the hatches, at least not with those shoulder pads on. Rhinos and Land Raiders are too small to fit the marines they are supposed to hold, Tau and Eldar vehicles aren't much better. This means that GW produces models that are not meant to be accurate portrayals of the "real" thing just based on them, the same way ranges of weapons are massively reduced so that the game can take place on a table instead of requiring something like a tennis court or larger to play on.
The models and the fluff are quite different.



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whitedragon wrote:

Melissia wrote:You may not care for it, but the fluff is sole reason 40k doesn't suck for me.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said that I didn't care for the fluff.

You said that fluff arguments are pointless which suggests that you don't care enough about the fluff to want to discuss it.

cadbren wrote:

Marine tank crew cannot actually fit through the hatches, at least not with those shoulder pads on. Rhinos and Land Raiders are too small to fit the marines they are supposed to hold, Tau and Eldar vehicles aren't much better. This means that GW produces models that are not meant to be accurate portrayals of the "real" thing just based on them, the same way ranges of weapons are massively reduced so that the game can take place on a table instead of requiring something like a tennis court or larger to play on.
The models and the fluff are quite different.

While different, they certainly aren't mutually exclusive. Land Raiders are bigger than Rhinos, Baneblades are bigger than Land Raiders, Eldar are more lithe than Marines, etc. Cadian/SOB throw off scale regarding Marines, however if you purchase any FW Krieg you get the sense of scale for a Marine back. Some of their sculptors simply misproportion their miniatures.

No they don't. It's called "heroic scale". The miniatures are not scaled to be realistic, they're scaled to look cool.

Was this a reply to my post? I ask, as I didn't mention nor attempt to point out that GW adheres to a strict 28mm scale...as I think it's rather clear they do not.

Melissia wrote:No they don't. It's called "heroic scale". The miniatures are not scaled to be realistic, they're scaled to look cool.

Then you should think of it as more corroborating with your post, saying that the lack of scale is intentional.

I wouldn't go as far to say lack of scale is intentional, as I pointed out previously GW honors 'fluff' scale in various ways throughout their line. Else an Eldar would be as bulky as a Marine, a Baneblade the size of a Land Raider, etc.

Melissia wrote:Then you should think of it as more corroborating with your post, saying that the lack of scale is intentional.

That's not scale, that's just aesthetics.

...and that's just semantics.....

Unless you are seriously arguing that the entire reason GW made their Land Raider larger than a Marine was based on taste and had nothing to do with the background from which it came.

Melissia wrote:That's not scale, that's just aesthetics.

Actually, I was intending to respond to your Eldar comment. The reason Eldar appear slimmer is aesthetics, it's still not really accurate to fluff size however. The reason for this being that it's in "heroic scale", and they want all infantry miniatures to be roughly the same size, and all standard transports to be roughly the same size, and all large vehicles to be roughly the same size, and so on and so forth. Even if they aren't actually that size in the fluff. It makes things consistent for the game, and for production, and so on. A 6+ feet tall human sitting in a Marine rhino would have their legs dangling below them and they'd not be able to reach the ceiling, for example.

Heroic scale isn't meant to be accurate to scale, which is my entire point... yes, there's some very rough scale comparisons, but the models are just there to look pretty so people will buy more of them, not to be representative of the fluff.

You're evading my point. I've made no assertion that GW correctly scales their miniatures in 28mm scale, in fact I've stated the opposite previously.

My initial post stated that while scale is certainly inconsistent, fluff does tend to drive how figures scale in comparison to other figures....else they would all have the same anatomical structure...and all vehicles would be the same size.

Eldar are described as more lithe than Marines in every description I've ever read on them.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Eldar

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Eldar

So fluff and scale certainly interact.....

Melissia wrote:Actually, I was intending to respond to your Eldar comment. The reason Eldar appear slimmer is aesthetics, it's still not really accurate to fluff size however. The reason for this being that it's in "heroic scale", and they want all infantry miniatures to be roughly the same size, and all standard transports to be roughly the same size, and all large vehicles to be roughly the same size, and so on and so forth. Even if they aren't actually that size in the fluff. It makes things consistent for the game, and for production, and so on.

This thread is for the discussion of cool Forge World Resin Models not fluff or semantics take it somewhere else please.
I love the marines iffy on the Ram of Kid_Kyoto's

Hmmm, I thought this post was about the Caestus and armour releases....

Personally, I'm extremely "iffy" about Kid's post......urgggh.

Padre^.

It sounds to me that Kid has another, more secret, creative hobby.

I for one love the retro missile launcher and special weapons. The Caestus is better than I'd thought it would be. I'll ask for it for Christmas with that price however. So, what does a Shark-class Boarding Torpedo look like?

Like a torpedo? Knowing the imperium aesthetic, an elongated hexagon.

Nooo ! Not another fluff debate from Melissia !

I think the MK III models look ok, but they don't tickle my fancy, personally I find them to be pretty ugly but I appreciate the interest in them

The assault vehicle thing, looks pretty awesome actually, I now have a good idea of the kind of vehicles they could possibly use in BFG (but bigger).

Aren't they pretty much converted munitions?

I have heard the torpedo's described as moles in space

i wonder if they'll get around to the terminators. i'm thinking the BA actually make a decent codex for preheresy stuff.

MajorTom11 wrote:As much as I love PH stuff and am thrilled they are finally getting to it, at the same time I wish they would turn their eyes forward as well into the unknown.

As an adult, I have trouble enjoying imperial fluff in modern 40k anymore as it requires you to believe a society so massive and advanced could possibly function with such backwards and anti-innovative policies. Every option for technological evolution is cut off through fluff... study advanced alien tech? nope it's dirty heresy. Study our own tech? Nope it's heresy against the tooth fairies that live in my toaster. As I get older and learn more about politics, history and technology, I have a very hard time believing a society of that size, with those policies, could last more than a few hundred years, never mind 10000.

I get that this allows an excuse for game balance etc, but honestly, it would be really nice to see a completely new unit. It would be nice to read some fluff about a discovery or a change. The fluff of the Imperium is that is a stagnant, sorry place, but after 20+ years, the fluff itself is getting a bit stagnant too lol.

er... so ya, all that to say I want to see a NEW armor type as well as old ones lol. There was concept art a few years back of devastators and a few marines that looked amazing, but it was a little different and techier than the norm and never came to fruition. That is the kind of stuff I would love to see if some of you know to what I am referring.

We see new things occasionally, new types of land raider, the dark angel dreads that have the mortis name (two ranged weapons of the same either side) and get random stuff from FW like this lander. And then there is the new storm raven, libby dreadnought etc.

Not a lander, boarding craft. Subtle difference, just like the Dreadclaw isn't a Drop Pod--but an Assault Craft designed for a role just like this boarding craft.

Both are designed to smash into a ship, cut their way in and then disgorge their troops.

I like the marines and the weapon set. The Caestus doesn't really appeal to me though. No Sir, I don't like it.

The Imperium DOES innovate occasionally. It's just a lot slower than in modern times. And it has to go through much more rigorous testing unless it's through a weird circumstance.

Kanluwen wrote:Not a lander, boarding craft. Subtle difference, just like the Dreadclaw isn't a Drop Pod--but an Assault Craft designed for a role just like this boarding craft.

Both are designed to smash into a ship, cut their way in and then disgorge their troops.

The Caestus is designed to smash through waves crashing onto a beach on a planet surface, it would crumple or bounce off an armour plated warship. The front of it is simply not designed to pierce through a solid object. It's the worse design for a marine model I've ever seen given what it is supposed to do.

Notice the giant meltaguns. I think they might help get into warships, but that's just me.

Yeah, I think its safe to assume that it works under the same principle as certain types of armor penetrating warheads... where a jet of plasma creates warms the material and creates an initial weak point before the kinetic penetrator forces its way through. The meltaguns effectively take the place of the plasma jet.

Probably right, as the Dreadclaws have built in meltas as well and they were preheresy ship boarding craft.

terribletrygon wrote:Notice the giant meltaguns. I think they might help get into warships, but that's just me.

I cannot wait to use some of that iron armor for death guard conversions!

...mmmm preheresy deathguard. I'm so tempted.

Am looking forward to getting my hands on the Caestus Assault Ram, boarding actions - drool, discorging black templars assualt terminators into the heart of the enemy! Yahoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

terribletrygon wrote:Notice the giant meltaguns. I think they might help get into warships, but that's just me.

You mean the weapon in the middle of the vehicle? BETWEEN the parts that actually make contact with the enemy ship? Great stuff, lets make a hole in the enemy ship and have the assault compartments smack into the hull on either side of the hole, brilliant! Especially brilliant as there are no deflective surfaces other than those wing things at the back which look designed to shear off on impact should the vehicle actually make it that far.

One transport compartment, a pointed front and meltas whatever mounted toward the front would be more practical. I'm sure even the Imperium doesn't use square torpedoes with flat ends.

Well you'd need to damage the location opposite the center of mass, to penetrate a hardened surface. I agree its not the best design, but if you were designing something like this, and you could only mount 2 meltaguns, mounting them there makes sense. You forget that Imperial Vehicles fly by generating and gravitic fields that create an envelope that makes aerodynamics moot. There is nothing to say a similar field method isn't used to shear material. When it comes to the wings, the simple fact is the Caestus doesn't need to penetrate so deeply that their shearing becomes a concern.

The torpedoes have been discussed, they're more like the Termites and Mole pods, just equipped for space.

again with people forgetting that in most circumstances of boarding actions, the ships are in space, where there is no air and so no air resistance, and so no need for aerodynamic designs.

Also, the melta gun would melt a large hole between the two rams, and weaken/soften the hull where the rams would make contact.

Also Also, the whole point of a boarding craft is that it doesn't just land inside the ship, it lands/embeds itself on the outside and disgorges it's troops through holes in the hull.

Also, ya know... it's fake.

cadbren wrote:

terribletrygon wrote:Notice the giant meltaguns. I think they might help get into warships, but that's just me.

You mean the weapon in the middle of the vehicle? BETWEEN the parts that actually make contact with the enemy ship? Great stuff, lets make a hole in the enemy ship and have the assault compartments smack into the hull on either side of the hole, brilliant! Especially brilliant as there are no deflective surfaces other than those wing things at the back which look designed to shear off on impact should the vehicle actually make it that far.

One transport compartment, a pointed front and meltas whatever mounted toward the front would be more practical. I'm sure even the Imperium doesn't use square torpedoes with flat ends.

Torpedoes, perhaps not. But Imperial Shark Assault Boats Do indeed have a flat tip. In fact, looking at the really small miniatures in front of me, it looks rather like a single-hull Caestus! Whoulda thunkit!?

More stuff:

MK IV Maximus armour and UMBRA FERROX X10 bolters.

Gotta admit, I like the pace at which FW is releasing these things. I'm hoping next week or the week after is gonna be mark V. At that point, every mark will be commonly available, except for complete Mark 8 I think...

Smoething looks off about the Mk IV, they just look to tall

but I'm probably gonna get some and the box clip bolters,they look cool and they come with chainsaw bayonets

Maybe they're attempting truescale.......


....... Nah! Who am i kidding!

Look awesome though, better than cannibilising red scorps imo!

Rules look interesting
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/c/caestus.pdf

Assault Vehicle: Models disembarking from the Caestus Assault
Ram can launch an assault on the turn they do so (providing the
Caestus did not Deep Strike).
Caestus Ram: The Caestus Assault Ram is purpose-built to
survive smashing into a heavily armoured structure, and its
forward prow is augmented with field generators. When
conducting a ram attack, the Caestus can roll 2 dice and pick
the higher number when determining if it has penetrated their
target’s armour and add +1 to any rolls on the damage chart
that they inflict. In addition the Caestus has an invulnerable save
of 5+ against any attacks against its front armour, including
any damage it suffers as a result of carrying out a ram or being
rammed itself from the front.

Loving the Maximus Armor! Almost there.....

At this rate a set of armour each week.

I know, right?! Maybe even some non-RG Corvus armor!

And the classic bolter patterns are also wicked.

Another Friday, another order. I didn't get last weeks bolter pack, but i got this one. And there is another coming. One of the images shows ANOTHER new bolter type, a bit more snub-nosed...looks awesome.

I can only assume that MK6 will be coming as well, regardless of the RG release. The MK4 are basically the Scorpions set without the chapter iconography.

Good to hear that they'll be showing the IA project at GD Baltimore. Guess I'll be going now. I can only assume the overarching release is a selection of armor MKs and bolter patterns. Maybe we'll get lucky and see some old Terminator armor and jump packs as well.

Any which way you cut it, Forgeworld is about to make some major bank.

While I'm not an Astartes fan I do like where this is going.

BrookM wrote:While I'm not an Astartes fan I do like where this is going.

I'm not sure about you, but I hope this is going to eventually extend out to reintroducing the Necromunda Spiders regiment and the old pattern lasguns...

Having said that... it's always good to get more bits to use for my Scorpions!

Look at the Mk IV page, second row middle picture, behind the guy with the melta. that's another type of bolter.

hopefully that'll come out with the mark 5 which i'll probablly get eventually.

forge world have really outdone themselve this time with the amount of releases.

Indeed, though mind you that melta shown there is also as of yet unreleased. It doesn't look anything like the one from the weapons pack from last week. So next week, maybe at least two extra weapon packs: one with more bolter patterns and the other with another heavy weapon and two assault weapons, maybe even, dare I say, classic plasmas?

I'm pretty sure that's the same melta as last week. If you look at the weapons pack, they are showing a picture of this new Mk IV armour, carrying the melta (second row, middle picture on the weapons pack page).

Don't forget classic pattern pistols and power swords too.

The only thing missing from these armour packs is a set of heavy weapon arms. It's going to look a little odd if you try to add the to the Mk III armour and have to use modern style arms

Hmm, odd that. Looks different to me, or is that crude thing next to the melta supposed to be cleaned up and put on it somewhere?

BrookM wrote:Hmm, odd that. Looks different to me, or is that crude thing next to the melta supposed to be cleaned up and put on it somewhere?

The bit to the right of the melta goes on the back of the missile launcher

Buh, wut. Okay, curses to FW for such odd pictures then.

edit.



Ohhhh.

This is just too much awesome for me

BrookM wrote:Hmm, odd that. Looks different to me, or is that crude thing next to the melta supposed to be cleaned up and put on it somewhere?

No it is the same melta, you can see the ridges on the front and rhe disk on the top, it's just the other side

I was hoping that we'd get this from FW this week - another set of Pre-Heresy armor!

Of course, I was hoping for MKV, but OK!

I do hope this means we'll get a complete MKVIII set, but for some reason, I don't think so.

I think FW is milking the Pre-Heresy crowd now, and that's OK.

And seriously, long live whomever decided to start including legs!

Sure it drives the price up to ridiculous levels, but that's FW prices for you - ridiculous!

Here's hoping it is MKV next week!

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Look at the Mk IV page, second row middle picture, behind the guy with the melta. that's another type of bolter.

hopefully that'll come out with the mark 5 which i'll probablly get eventually.

forge world have really outdone themselve this time with the amount of releases.

Good eye! Cannot wait to see what else they come out with. Man, I could SO go broke....

Scottywan82 wrote:

FM Ninja 048 wrote:Look at the Mk IV page, second row middle picture, behind the guy with the melta. that's another type of bolter.

hopefully that'll come out with the mark 5 which i'll probablly get eventually.

forge world have really outdone themselve this time with the amount of releases.

Good eye! Cannot wait to see what else they come out with. Man, I could SO go broke....

I loled cause i've not got my glasses on

lol.

well that IS (as far as i can tell) a silenced(there's a silencer on it, duh!) mk.V bolter as depicted on p.20 of codex: space marines.

FM Ninja 048 wrote:

Scottywan82 wrote:
Good eye! Cannot wait to see what else they come out with. Man, I could SO go broke....

I loled cause i've not got my glasses on

You = Eltharion

i'm hoping for MK 2 and 1 armor next.... including bolters

might be hard to get mk.I and mk.II bolters since the bolters are mostly from RT-era

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:i'm hoping for MK 2 and 1 armor next.... including bolters

Yeah, I've had an idea about an army of Thunder Armors for a few years now, but I'm not that motivated to convert every single model. And GW's Armors of the Ages bitz pack or whatever they call it is worthless for that kind of project.

Well, we got 3, followed by 4. So I'm going with MK5 being next week. But I'd love to see a releasemfor all of the MKs.

dienekes96 wrote:Well, we got 3, followed by 4. So I'm going with MK5 being next week. But I'd love to see a releasemfor all of the MKs.

I think that it is a no-brainer no-doubter that MKV is next.

IF FW was smart, they'd make up as many of these as possible to bring to Gamesday, of all MK's.

And they'd sell them all - with no problem.

Probably to the first numbnut in line too!

Well, my resolve crumbled and I ordered 5 Mk III marines and 10 of the fancy bolters.

Of which I only need 2 - coming soon to the Swap Shop, 8 fancy bolters

Alpharius wrote:

dienekes96 wrote:Well, we got 3, followed by 4. So I'm going with MK5 being next week. But I'd love to see a releasemfor all of the MKs.

I think that it is a no-brainer no-doubter that MKV is next.

IF FW was smart, they'd make up as many of these as possible to bring to Gamesday, of all MK's.

And they'd sell them all - with no problem.

Probably to the first numbnut in line too!

Though the Mk6 armor holds a special place in my heart I would have to say that the Mk5 armor is my second favorite. I would totally buy a squad.

What Forgeworld NEEDS to do imnsho is make the RT Chaos Legionnaire backpacks.


I would buy a kajillion of those.

Agree Vlad. Those were the most excellent backpacks, especially for Death Guard.

Dude, these kits are awesome. I like the Caestus. It's a good alternative if you can't afford a Thunderhawk, but want to fly your squads around in APOC games.

So GW is finally Mk. III, Mk. IV, and Mk. V armor upgrade sets?

in resin, not plastic?



Each of these should be a mass-production sprue like the Deffrolla.

Retards.

I doubt we'll see Mk1 or Mk2... Mk3 fluff-wise is the first suit to have all the modern features. I'm going to hold off ordering till we see some Mk5.

wonder if we'll get preheresy terminators... hell i wonder if a stormbird will come out? i'd settle for a MK 3 dreadnought as well as a MK 1 and 2

I think Preheresy stuff is cool, I just doubt FW will do too much more of it.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:wonder if we'll get preheresy terminators... hell i wonder if a stormbird will come out? i'd settle for a MK 3 dreadnought as well as a MK 1 and 2

I want these too!

BUT... Maxmini makes EXCELLENT 'Pre-Heresy' type shoulder pads for Terminators which help get you some of the way there!

aka_mythos wrote:I think Preheresy stuff is cool, I just doubt FW will do too much more of it.

I don't know...

I think once FW starts seeing how well these sell, I think we'll see a LOT of Pre-Heresy stuff.

It might not be labeled as such, maybe they'll spin it as "Sternguard/Vanguard" conversion kits or some such nonsense, as GW seems to be afraid of the term "Pre-Heresy" in the some ways, but we'll be getting more!

Please, please can we have mkI and mkII please? Even just a character in mkI would make my day.

Alpharius wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:wonder if we'll get preheresy terminators... hell i wonder if a stormbird will come out? i'd settle for a MK 3 dreadnought as well as a MK 1 and 2

I want these too!

BUT... Maxmini makes EXCELLENT 'Pre-Heresy' type shoulder pads for Terminators which help get you some of the way there!

aka_mythos wrote:I think Preheresy stuff is cool, I just doubt FW will do too much more of it.

I don't know...

I think once FW starts seeing how well these sell, I think we'll see a LOT of Pre-Heresy stuff.

It might not be labeled as such, maybe they'll spin it as "Sternguard/Vanguard" conversion kits or some such nonsense, as GW seems to be afraid of the term "Pre-Heresy" in the some ways, but we'll be getting more!

shoulder pads but not heads, which makes me sad

I think you're bound to be sad here...

No Thunder Armor outside of Marine Museums and such...

Fluff-wise, it isn't very good at protecting the user.

Model-wise, it is a bit... odd looking!

Still, I feel for you!

I'll add my voice to yours, if you'll join in helping me on the other side of the spectrum for MKVIII "Errant"!

Remember that FW is the testing ground for stuff, unlike GW they can just faff about and produce what they want due to the low costs of their molds in comparison to what GW has to work with.

Alpharius wrote:I think you're bound to be sad here...

No Thunder Armor outside of Marine Museums and such...

Fluff-wise, it isn't very good at protecting the user.

Model-wise, it is a bit... odd looking!

Still, I feel for you!

I'll add my voice to yours, if you'll join in helping me on the other side of the spectrum for MKVIII "Errant"!

Who knows maybe a hypothetical "last set" could be a collection... 1 or 2- Mk1, 1 or 2 -Mk2, and some random artificer armor.

BrookM wrote:More stuff:

MK IV Maximus armour and UMBRA FERROX X10 bolters.

Sweet gravy!

BrookM wrote:Remember that FW is the testing ground for stuff, unlike GW they can just faff about and produce what they want due to the low costs of their molds in comparison to what GW has to work with.

What testing is required to know that actual sets of "classic" Marks of armor will sell?

Based on current bitz sales, one can absolutely guarantee winning sales of (in roughly this order):
1st. Mk. II Crusader armor
2nd. Mk. VI Corvus armor
3rd. Mk. V Heresy armor
4th. Mk. IV Maximus armor
5th. Mk. III Iron armor

If GW sells sprues of Mk. VIII Errant, those would also sell very well.

This takes no particular intelligence to figure out, just an hour cruising the bitz sellers across the world.

Of course, GW pushes it to FW, because it'd be a pure profit-maker if done in plastic...

And once all those are done, some kind soul needs to make the Mk XVI armour so we can start work on models for the Dornian Heresy

JohnHwangDD wrote:

BrookM wrote:Remember that FW is the testing ground for stuff, unlike GW they can just faff about and produce what they want due to the low costs of their molds in comparison to what GW has to work with.

What testing is required to know that actual sets of "classic" Marks of armor will sell?

Based on current bitz sales, one can absolutely guarantee winning sales of (in roughly this order):
1st. Mk. II Crusader armor
2nd. Mk. VI Corvus armor
3rd. Mk. V Heresy armor
4th. Mk. IV Maximus armor
5th. Mk. III Iron armor

I'd have to rearrange that a bit!

1st. MKV
2nd. MKIII
3rd. MKVI
4th. MKIV
5th. MKII

Based on, of course, absolutely nothing but my own opinions!

But your larger point is 100% true and accurate - a plastic sprue of these components would make so much money as to boggle even GW corporate's mind!

Mk. II crusade sells like crazy, with only 2 heads per BT upgrade sprue.

Mk. VI beakies also sell like crazy, with only 1 head & shoulder per SM sprue.

Strong, solid demand for these iconic designs.

endtransmission wrote:And once all those are done, some kind soul needs to make the Mk XVI armour so we can start work on models for the Dornian Heresy

Hits_the_spot said he might give true scale mk XVI a try after finishing up the true scale kit he's working on

JohnHwangDD:

Actually, how long did it take for the M.IV set to be put on the Forgeworld drip list? It could be that we'll see specialist sets like this put up every week. What can I say, I'm an optimist!

optimism and GW do not mix

Yea, so it's a good thing we're talking about the FW division instead of GW itself.

Nurglitch wrote:JohnHwangDD:

Actually, how long did it take for the M.IV set to be put on the Forgeworld drip list? It could be that we'll see specialist sets like this put up every week. What can I say, I'm an optimist!

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:optimism and GW do not mix

Neither do optimism and Nurglitch - but apparently there's a first time for everything!

metallifan wrote:Yea, so it's a good thing we're talking about the FW division instead of GW itself.

OK, good point!

And really, with what we've seen so far, there IS cause to be optimistic!

I have to say i really like the new stuff from FW.

I might buy some of those marines and hope they look good next to the bits i bought from Maxmini and Chapterhouse.

I haven't wanted anything from forge world in quite a long time but this just makes me say "mother of god". SOLD!!

I´m praying that they don´t releasse the Mk V as well. Because if they do, my last argument against starting a pre heresy BA army will be gone, and I´m sooooo going to miss being able to afford food and stuff like that......

You're in trouble then, as they've already previews a MKV helmeted marine...

It is a bit different, a variation on a theme I suppose, but it is still very, very nice!

Oh great, I just saw my wallet spiral right into divorce court.

Alpharius wrote:...a plastic sprue of these components would make so much money as to boggle even GW corporate's mind!

GW could just call it a veteran sprue with the bits to assemble one of each. I think more than that and it get a bit hectic for SM plastic releases.

aka_mythos wrote:

Alpharius wrote:...a plastic sprue of these components would make so much money as to boggle even GW corporate's mind!

GW could just call it a veteran sprue with the bits to assemble one of each. I think more than that and it get a bit hectic for SM plastic releases.

How so?

C: Black Templars, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. II Crusade

C: CSM.5, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. V Heresy

C: SM.6, co- release sprue making 5x Mk. VI Corvus

C: Dark Angels 6, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. VI Maximus

C: CSM.6, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. III Iron

Easy!

JohnHwangDD wrote:How so?

C: Black Templars, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. II Crusade

C: CSM.5, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. V Heresy

C: SM.6, co- release sprue making 5x Mk. VI Corvus

C: Dark Angels 6, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. VI Maximus

C: CSM.6, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. III Iron

Easy!

GW is not yet ready to print money. Their bank vaults are full, apparently.

Better they send some my way then.

JohnHwangDD wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:

Alpharius wrote:...a plastic sprue of these components would make so much money as to boggle even GW corporate's mind!

GW could just call it a veteran sprue with the bits to assemble one of each. I think more than that and it get a bit hectic for SM plastic releases.

How so?

C: Black Templars, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. II Crusade

C: CSM.5, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. V Heresy

C: SM.6, co- release sprue making 5x Mk. VI Corvus

C: Dark Angels 6, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. VI Maximus

C: CSM.6, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. III Iron

Easy!

I'm just pretty sure people wouldn't want these different sprues covered in a particular chapters markings or chaos aesthetic bits, which how GW would release them if they coincided with a codex of some sort. I think its a bit too much of a niche thing as well, from GW's perspective, without being specifically tied to a given set of units its unmarketable and redundant to their current model line.

gorgon wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:i'm hoping for MK 2 and 1 armor next.... including bolters

Yeah, I've had an idea about an army of Thunder Armors for a few years now, but I'm not that motivated to convert every single model. And GW's Armors of the Ages bitz pack or whatever they call it is worthless for that kind of project.

Curse you Chris! Have you been reading my mind again? There goes another unique army idea!

Vale,

JohnS

aka_mythos wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:

aka_mythos wrote:

Alpharius wrote:...a plastic sprue of these components would make so much money as to boggle even GW corporate's mind!

GW could just call it a veteran sprue with the bits to assemble one of each. I think more than that and it get a bit hectic for SM plastic releases.

How so?

C: Black Templars, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. II Crusade

C: CSM.5, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. V Heresy

C: SM.6, co- release sprue making 5x Mk. VI Corvus

C: Dark Angels 6, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. VI Maximus

C: CSM.6, co-release sprue making 5x Mk. III Iron

Easy!

I'm just pretty sure people wouldn't want these different sprues covered in a particular chapters markings or chaos aesthetic bits, which how GW would release them if they coincided with a codex of some sort.

No, I'm suggesting generic bitz co-released with a larger SM/CSM army which can use them to mix-and-match for more model variety.

TwilightWalker wrote:

cadbren wrote:

terribletrygon wrote:Notice the giant meltaguns. I think they might help get into warships, but that's just me.

You mean the weapon in the middle of the vehicle? BETWEEN the parts that actually make contact with the enemy ship? Great stuff, lets make a hole in the enemy ship and have the assault compartments smack into the hull on either side of the hole, brilliant! Especially brilliant as there are no deflective surfaces other than those wing things at the back which look designed to shear off on impact should the vehicle actually make it that far.

One transport compartment, a pointed front and meltas whatever mounted toward the front would be more practical. I'm sure even the Imperium doesn't use square torpedoes with flat ends.

Torpedoes, perhaps not. But Imperial Shark Assault Boats Do indeed have a flat tip. In fact, looking at the really small miniatures in front of me, it looks rather like a single-hull Caestus! Whoulda thunkit!?

Shark Assault Boat (docks with enemy vessel, clamps to its deck, and deploys melta charges to pierce outer hull). Even if the caestus worked like this, the meltas would be blasting a hole between where the troops come out so pointless yet again.


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aka_mythos wrote:You forget that Imperial Vehicles fly by generating gravitic fields that create an envelope that makes aerodynamics moot. There is nothing to say a similar field method isn't used to shear material. When it comes to the wings, the simple fact is the Caestus doesn't need to penetrate so deeply that their shearing becomes a concern.

Gravitic fields would be pointless in space combat but the idea that the field could potentially do something is the closest thing to a reasonable explanation so far.

While I'd love these in cheaper plastic and better availability at the FLGS, I think they might be too niche to be worth it for GW. I have a feeling these are more appealing to the older gamers (length of collecting vs actual age) who want something more than the current SMs. GW's target audience of next generation clients likely don't care/ know about the different armors. FW seems like the ideal platform to deliver the goods IMO.

ph34r wrote:GW is not yet ready to print money. Their bank vaults are full, apparently.

This is the only reason I've seen yet that 'makes sense'!

JohnHwangDD wrote:
No, I'm suggesting generic bitz co-released with a larger SM/CSM army which can use them to mix-and-match for more model variety.

I understood what you were saying but I don't think GW would do that, even if its a good idea.

aka_mythos wrote:

JohnHwangDD wrote:
No, I'm suggesting generic bitz co-released with a larger SM/CSM army which can use them to mix-and-match for more model variety.

I understood what you were saying but I don't think GW would do that, even if its a good idea.

Oh, OK. There are a lot of good ideas that GW never implements...

Awsome. thanks a bunch bro!

You know, I've been looking for a way to make a squad of Chaos Chosen stand out, and the Iron Armor and the weapons are perfect.

Gamble wrote:While I'd love these in cheaper plastic and better availability at the FLGS, I think they might be too niche to be worth it for GW. I have a feeling these are more appealing to the older gamers (length of collecting vs actual age) who want something more than the current SMs. GW's target audience of next generation clients likely don't care/ know about the different armors. FW seems like the ideal platform to deliver the goods IMO.

That's it in a nutshell.

Well now that they've produced those older style weapons, will they continue with the other heavy weapons and maybe a conversion beamer too?
What would be nice is an updated mk1 Rhino.

Alpharius wrote:

ph34r wrote:GW is not yet ready to print money. Their bank vaults are full, apparently.

This is the only reason I've seen yet that 'makes sense'!

Why do I now have an image of the GW execs swimming around in seas of money, Scrooge McDuck stylee?
Surrounded by solid gold statues of Space Marines, obviously.

Their stock shares aren't worth enough for them to swim in money.

cadbren wrote:Well now that they've produced those older style weapons, will they continue with the other heavy weapons and maybe a conversion beamer too?
What would be nice is an updated mk1 Rhino.

Now THAT is a good idea!

When we're all ordering our Pre-Heresy stuff, we should put that in the "suggestions/wish list" section!

just think of all the master of forges running around with beamers.

I think FW pulled that from the ordering form if not mistaken.

I think there is only so much FW should do with the Pre-heresy stuff; at some point their times is better served elsewhere.

aka_mythos wrote:I think there is only so much FW should do with the Pre-heresy stuff; at some point (after making everything we want, since -ya know - that's how they make money) their time is better served elsewhere.

Fixed that for you. lol, Honestly I see your point, but this IS something people clamor for. I think at this point, GW should just finish up the lines they have, and then fill their releases with things like this, allowing for updates of existing models as they become outdated. That way the codex/army book releases become less... tumultuous. They only need to release the "new" figures they included in the army book and the rest of the time, their release schedule will just be filled with awesome things, even if they are - strictly speaking - repeats of existing figures (ie, Pre Heresy Terminators are the same as regular terminators).

Scottywan82 says it all...

I just hope FW/GW are listening!

aka_mythos wrote:I think there is only so much FW should do with the Pre-heresy stuff; at some point their times is better served elsewhere.

Yes, Eldar Phantom Titan comes to mind...

These new old marines look awesome. I've been wanting to redo my marines from scratch .. and fluffed em up as guys from a long time ago who got stuck in the warp for a while. But doing a whole new FW marine army from scratch would mean getting a 2nd or 3rd job to afford it, then having no time to paint it :(

Scottywan82 wrote:
Fixed that for you. lol, Honestly I see your point, but this IS something people clamor for. I think at this point, GW should just finish up the lines they have, and then fill their releases with things like this, allowing for updates of existing models as they become outdated. That way the codex/army book releases become less... tumultuous. They only need to release the "new" figures they included in the army book and the rest of the time, their release schedule will just be filled with awesome things, even if they are - strictly speaking - repeats of existing figures (ie, Pre Heresy Terminators are the same as regular terminators).

I just mean that they really shouldn't continue this pace of preheresy releases too much longer. If they want to draw it out across months, after this point, so that more of the releases each month can be something non-marine that would be better than all marine all the time. Don't we get enough of that as it is? I've thought that they should just start cutting back on IG, but shifting the focus over to SM doesn't help the fact that some armies are under represented in their line of models.

The fact this isn't attached to a particular IA book yet also makes me wonder what their future plans are. I think FW shouldn't spend too much time focusing on broad releases as much fleshing out less represented yet popular factions. I think how they've done the Tau is a good example of that, but it could even be applied to putting focus on specific chapters of note or more niche armies that benefit from the boutique attention . For example, GW made it clear they had no interest in Chaos Renegades (LatD), Ad. Mech, and Ordo Xenos/Deathwatch. FW did one and they could do the others; we know people would eat them up. FW should be more thematic in their releases and maybe preheresy is a different sort of thematic approach for FW but it only has so much longevity and will tend to only retread stories we already know.

Alpharius wrote:Scottywan82 says it all...

I just hope FW/GW are listening!

Dude, one day when I crack anti-gravity technology and become a gazillionaire, we'll just run GW. I think we're running along parallel tracks here.


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aka_mythos wrote:I just mean that they really shouldn't continue this pace of preheresy releases too much longer. If they want to draw it out across months, after this point, so that more of the releases each month can be something non-marine that would be better than all marine all the time. Don't we get enough of that as it is? I've thought that they should just start cutting back on IG, but shifting the focus over to SM doesn't help the fact that some armies are under represented in their line of models.

But what I'm asking is, why couldn't they? So they put out pre-heresy armor for each mark for space marines. How does this impede their space marine sales? It really doesn't. The mark up on FW is much higher than on GW, so there's money to be made here. And we WANT IT. So give it to us until we stop wanting it. Make all the existing stuff but pre-heresy. As far as once a week goes, yeah, maybe not just because of production limitations, but otherwise, cram it in there!

they want money, we want to give it to them for pre-heresy models. This is a win-win. They should milk it for all it's worth. Pretty much every space marine option exists already The only way to keep making new money on SMs is to make other figures we want. so either A) new units or B) New models for existing units. This way it costs them NOTHING in play-testers, rules writing, book binding, etc (all of which you would need to have IN ADDITION to the model costs for a new unit). It's more profit for them!

aka_mythos wrote:The fact this isn't attached to a particular IA book yet also makes me wonder what their future plans are. I think FW shouldn't spend too much time focusing on broad releases as much fleshing out less represented yet popular factions. I think how they've done the Tau is a good example of that, but it could even be applied to putting focus on specific chapters of note or more niche armies that benefit from the boutique attention . For example, GW made it clear they had no interest in Chaos Renegades (LatD), Ad. Mech, and Ordo Xenos/Deathwatch. FW did one and they could do the others; we know people would eat them up. FW should be more thematic in their releases and maybe pre-heresy is a different sort of thematic approach for FW but it only has so much longevity and will tend to only retread stories we already know.

Once again, this doesn't need to be tied to ANYTHING. This is just more SM models. New ones, pretty ones. And we can't buy them second hand. We HAVE to pay GW for them. They can't NOT make money.

what they do for Tau is fantastic, I agree, and I would love to see some FW models for other empty slots in my IG army. But if they do that and it takes off then GW will snatch it and make them plastic (good for us, bad for FW) and then FW will need to make something else. Better they instead make - I dunno - alternate IG infantry models. Like DKoK.

Or alternates for other units! Conversion pieces that we can only really use alongside existing GW plastics. This is where their money is, and where we want to spend it. conversion kits for Vendettas. For Tyrannofexes. For the Swarmlord. For Dual TW bonswords. For Autrarchs. For Sweet looking Kommandos. For Psyker Battle Squads. For Chaos IG. This costs them nothing in rules, will BY NECESSITY be a proxy for something else and therefore cannot be "Squatted," and looks freaking awesome!

So please, FW. Keep making random awesome things. Please make them for existing armies and even existing models. If you would be so kind, could you eventually provide us with models to make alternate versions of every army? That would be hot, thanks.

Also, some (most? all?) of this "Pre-Heresy" armor IS tied to an IA book.

At least, that's what I heard.

Though now the timing of it all throws that into doubt.

Still, more Pre-Heresy suits, yeah!

Maybe it will be tied to a IA web supplement for more win?

Alpharius wrote:Also, some (most? all?) of this "Pre-Heresy" armor IS tied to an IA book.

At least, that's what I heard.

Though now the timing of it all throws that into doubt.

Still, more Pre-Heresy suits, yeah!

Have heard absolutely nothing of it myself, so it's kinda sketchy.

badab war, confirmed by shroud over on the great crusade

poipo32 wrote:Maybe it will be tied to a IA web supplement for more win?

Mebbe it'll be tied to a Horus Heresy hardcover book...

Scottywan82 wrote: But what I'm asking is, why couldn't they? So they put out pre-heresy armor for each mark for space marines. How does this impede their space marine sales? It really doesn't. The mark up on FW is much higher than on GW, so there's money to be made here. And we WANT IT. So give it to us until we stop wanting it. Make all the existing stuff but pre-heresy. As far as once a week goes, yeah, maybe not just because of production limitations, but otherwise, cram it in there!

they want money, we want to give it to them for pre-heresy models. This is a win-win. They should milk it for all it's worth. Pretty much every space marine option exists already The only way to keep making new money on SMs is to make other figures we want. so either A) new units or B) New models for existing units. This way it costs them NOTHING in play-testers, rules writing, book binding, etc (all of which you would need to have IN ADDITION to the model costs for a new unit). It's more profit for them!

Its about balancing scarce and limited resources with artistic value. I'm not saying they don't do them. I'm saying they change the pacing to allow for other releases.
The mark up on FW is higher, but so is the work and materials that go into it. The FW stuff is more expensive because of those two things more than just the margin. That relatively high margin is there because the quantities of sales aren't there to justify alternate production means.

Its the same old arguement, GW is all marines all the time, creating a self fulfilling prophecy of good sales that self justify the perpetuation of a policy that is potentially detrimental to the hobby in the long run. I'm not saying they don't do them. I'm saying they change the pacing to allow for some other releases.

Scottywan82 wrote:
...So please, FW. Keep making random awesome things. Please make them for existing armies and even existing models. If you would be so kind, could you eventually provide us with models to make alternate versions of every army? That would be hot, thanks.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. Its just that I'm trying to get people to understand that these things happening are restricted by relatively scarce resources.

Alpharius wrote:

cadbren wrote:Well now that they've produced those older style weapons, will they continue with the other heavy weapons and maybe a conversion beamer too?
What would be nice is an updated mk1 Rhino.

Now THAT is a good idea!

When we're all ordering our Pre-Heresy stuff, we should put that in the "suggestions/wish list" section!

Chapterhouse studios make a MK1 Rhino conversion kit.. $16 IIRC.. I have 3. Looks VERY nice. I will have to post pics.. I am using them for Exorcist conversions..

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:badab war, confirmed by shroud over on the great crusade

Uhhuh, and who is Shroud?

Because the next Imperial Armour book is, from everything I've seen and heard, the follow-up to IA8 and the remainder of the Ork Klans.

Pretty sure they weren't involved in The Badab War, at all. In any way, shape, or form.

I've heard the same thing.

"Shroudfilm" is an admin (owner?) over at The Great Crusade, a GREAT Pre-Heresy forum.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?&

He also works closely with BL on their BL TV segments.

So...

BL TV Segments?

Alpharius wrote:I've heard the same thing.

"Shroudfilm" is an admin (owner?) over at The Great Crusade, a GREAT Pre-Heresy forum.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?&

He also works closely with BL on their BL TV segments.

So...

owner, and i trust his info

Lord of battles wrote:BL TV Segments?

Those interviews.

Alpharius wrote:I've heard the same thing.

"Shroudfilm" is an admin (owner?) over at The Great Crusade, a GREAT Pre-Heresy forum.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?&

He also works closely with BL on their BL TV segments.

So...

Then it goes completely against anything and everything Forge World has been working on.

Of course, there's always the possibility that the models were released to test the waters for a book after IA9.

The Ram looks a tad OP, judging by the rules... a 36" movement assault vehicle with a 5+ invuln, possible cover save and AV13 front armour?!

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I've heard the same thing.

"Shroudfilm" is an admin (owner?) over at The Great Crusade, a GREAT Pre-Heresy forum.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?&

He also works closely with BL on their BL TV segments.

So...

Then it goes completely against anything and everything Forge World has been working on.

Of course, there's always the possibility that the models were released to test the waters for a book after IA9.

but remember they did it to chaos by only including nurgle and khorne in IA books and leaving the other two out, so the same could and most likely will happen to the orks

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I've heard the same thing.

"Shroudfilm" is an admin (owner?) over at The Great Crusade, a GREAT Pre-Heresy forum.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?&

He also works closely with BL on their BL TV segments.

So...

Then it goes completely against anything and everything Forge World has been working on.

Of course, there's always the possibility that the models were released to test the waters for a book after IA9.

but remember they did it to chaos by only including nurgle and khorne in IA books and leaving the other two out, so the same could and most likely will happen to the orks

Wouldn't it be after IA10?
Because if I recall correctly the agreed schedule was:

IA9: Raid on Kastorel-Novem (part 2) with the remaining ork klans and more raven guardy goodness.

then...

IA10: Eldar + 1 other, with release slots for the Phantom Titan that was shown during the FW open day.

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

Kanluwen wrote:

Alpharius wrote:I've heard the same thing.

"Shroudfilm" is an admin (owner?) over at The Great Crusade, a GREAT Pre-Heresy forum.

http://z15.invisionfree.com/The_Great_Crusade/index.php?&

He also works closely with BL on their BL TV segments.

So...

Then it goes completely against anything and everything Forge World has been working on.

Of course, there's always the possibility that the models were released to test the waters for a book after IA9.

but remember they did it to chaos by only including nurgle and khorne in IA books and leaving the other two out, so the same could and most likely will happen to the orks

Actually, they never planned on doing Tzeentch or Slaanesh in the Vraks campaign books--so they "didn't leave the other two out".

They followed y'know...their plan.

Aren't we due the next FW Newsletter soon-ish?

I want the full details on the MKV set, as well as the MKIII (?) "HG" sets!

Friday chaps, Friday.

aka_mythos wrote:Its about balancing scarce and limited resources with artistic value. I'm not saying they don't do them. I'm saying they change the pacing to allow for other releases.
The mark up on FW is higher, but so is the work and materials that go into it. The FW stuff is more expensive because of those two things more than just the margin. That relatively high margin is there because the quantities of sales aren't there to justify alternate production means.

I agree they need to balance them, but against what? Against the opportunity cost of not making... something we don't want? I just don't see hwy you would urge caution to a manufacturer who is manufacturing an item in demand. You know why MTG brings out a new set every quarter? Because there's a sucker born every minute. No, sorry, bad joke.

But honestly, as long as we eat it up, they should make it. The margins (what I had poorly referred to as mark-up) on the products will keep FW in business making more awesome stuff GW has no time for (THERE is an opportunity cost well invested. I mean GW's). And the price (total end price, in dollars out of my pocket) means it will never replace GW's core products. New kid will still buy the Tactical Squad. Alpharius will have already bought 20 Tactical squads and will proceed to buy 20 more, but now in Maximus Armor and wielding Umbra Pattern weapons. So GW wins twice.

aka_mythos wrote:Its the same old arguement, GW is all marines all the time, creating a self fulfilling prophecy of good sales that self justify the perpetuation of a policy that is potentially detrimental to the hobby in the long run. I'm not saying they don't do them. I'm saying they change the pacing to allow for some other releases.

Thats exactly what I'm saying. Its just that I'm trying to get people to understand that these things happening are restricted by relatively scarce resources.

It is absolutely self-fulfilling! But we buy, so the make. If you are arguing we shouldn't buy SM figures... Then no one can help you. Because we buy pretty shiny things, and SM and both pretty AND shiny. Revel in this, mythos. The reason you should? Because every dollar GW makes increases - however incrementally - that one day you will get your non-SM figure made.

They are the grease that keeps the gears turning. And the longer they turn... well, to mix metaphors, think infinite monkeys and infinite typewriters. Eventually they will get to your army. Statistics is on your side.


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Alpharius wrote:

cadbren wrote:Well now that they've produced those older style weapons, will they continue with the other heavy weapons and maybe a conversion beamer too?
What would be nice is an updated mk1 Rhino.

Now THAT is a good idea!

When we're all ordering our Pre-Heresy stuff, we should put that in the "suggestions/wish list" section!

Chapterhouse studios make a MK1 Rhino conversion kit.. $16 IIRC.. I have 3. Looks VERY nice. I will have to post pics.. I am using them for Exorcist conversions..

Any pictures of one built? I have to say all of their stuff just looks so... blobby. And poorly cast. So I'm always scared of it.