I dunno either, when they switched the termies from metal to plastic, they kept the price at $50 for 5. I only have the AOBR termies, just not that interested in Marines myself.

yup...i know that one already... got that one pointed out by shaso and shrike... reminds me a bit of my own current project tho...and tada^^ coincidence...i have a new update ready for you... i think the whole build is doable from scratch pretty well...

I probably could do it all from scratch with styrene card, but I will leave things like that to the masters...I'll stick to elaborate conversions!

whatever you say^^

Gahhh! You were right El Vic, I looked at the defiler torso a little closer when I got home, and it is not going to work like I planned. The angles of the torso and the shape of cannon area are all wrong, and instead of cutting the heck out of it, I'll just make it from scratch. Now I don't even know if the Sentiel legs are going to work! I'll get a better idea of that when they get here, if not, I'll use them for something I'm sure.

I have made a quick concept sketch, and I think I can do it all from scratch. It'll be a slow project though, so we'll see where this goes!

RSJake wrote: ...I'll just make it from scratch.

If you want something done right, sometimes you just have to do it yourself!

As soon as I saw the Decimator I wanted to make my own version. While I like the FW one I think it could have been a lot more brutal looking. Im not too sure if the Sentinel legs will work without a lot of bulking up but Im looking forward to seeing what you come up with. The shoulders on the fW one remind me of the Defiler armour plates so those could be a start for your versions upper armour.

I know, right?

BTW, here is my concept sketch of it. This is of course, just the frame-work. Armor plates and wires and hydraulics will also be added.

uuuuhhhhh...that is badass looking! specially like those claws... remind me a bit of kroots... where else have a seen that design before?

whole concept already has a friend in me^^

Warmachine?

I'm not saying it's anything like an original design. But of course it is HEAVILY inspired by the FW Decimator, which in turn looks like it was HEAVILY inspired by Warmachine Warjacks.

The claws are a bit too curved, I've re-drawn them to be a bit straighter, but not as straight as the Decimator, which was one of the only things I didn't like about the model. The other thing is the faces in the armor...just not my thing. I know it's supposed to be possessed by a Demon, but it just doesn't look right. So mine will not have that. The armor will be "cleaner" or as clean as I think a Chaos Vehicle can be.

Who knows if I'll have a chance to work on it the near future, but I'll see what I can do.

it is an intersting project.... one you shouldn´t put to far into the future^^ i hava a soft place in my heart for wlakers^^

will you make that starshaped pattern chaos uses? like one the brim of the CSM shoulderpads?

I don't know. There might be a small Chaos star, but there will definately be large Khorne symbols!

I am thinking I might want to do the build in such a way so that I can make molds to cast copies so I can make multiples, especially with the upper torso, so I can use it in place of my defiler torso! But that will be a pretty complex mold, and I'm not sure I'm up to the task....we'll see if my casting skills improve before I get to that stage.

well...you always have the option to make a multiple part kit... i expect it then to be a bit pricey...but well...whatever suits the job at hand...and at last it is not forbidden to copy GW´s or FW´prices

Oh, I was just thinking of making them for me. But making a bunch of them!

naaaahhh whatever did you invest time if not money in a webshop for??? once the mould is done you are set for all actions^^

Hmmmmm. You are right of course...
I'll have to change some of the design then I think so it is a bit less like the FW model.

But still a very large walker.

I'm getting ahead of myself though, let's just wait to see how it comes out!

It might look like gak!

Rivety gak!

very large walker

... you already have a name...so in essence it has a face^^

and yep... rivety gak...ten times as dense as normal gak!^^

The humble rivet can make anything beautiful!

It will be rivety!

yep... for every crapload of gak you can put a multitude of rivets on... i think that is a fair trade guv´

I already have some rivets to show!

I didn't get much time last night, but I did get a start on the walker. This is a mock-up of how tall I am going for, but of course that can change. Right now I think it is significantly taller than the decimator. From what I can tell by pictures, the decimator is about 2 and a half marines tall, and mine is a little over 3 marines tall. Does anyone have a better guess as to how tall this thing should be? By the way, does anyone know how tall a Dread knight is? How about a Knight Titan?


And here is a close-up of the fist and one of the claws (with rivets!):


I don't remember who said it, but they said to open up a water filter, and use the little balls inside as rivets. I don't even remember what thread it was mentioned in, so whoever you are, if you read this, "Thank you!"

They work amazingly well! You just have to drill a bit into the area for the rivet, and set the tiny ball down into the hole with some glue. AWESOME! And they come in a wide variety of sizes! From fairly big, to almost too small to work with, so I can use these on just about anything!

I am going to cast this claw and make copies so I don't have to re-make the claws every time. Because I just know that every one I re-make will be slightly different, and I want them uniform in shape and size.

I'm not sure what I am going to use as ball-joints, maybe marbles? This is going to be a LOT bigger than I had thought.

Excellent! Music to my eyes man!

Im sure I read somewhere the Decimator is around 4 inches tall buddy. Youre off to a good start looking forward to progress.

What is music Dave? The rivets? There will be so many more! Stay tuned!

Thanks Biohazard! Yeah, I'm thinking mine will be taller...Maybe around the height of a short Knight Titan. But I might be able to make it shorter, we'll see.

I am trying to come up with a design that will not necessarily be "demonic" driven, but rather have a pilot. And I might have multiple variants. Some for "War", and "Pestilence", and maybe others of the "Horsemen", if I can come up with concepts. Some might even be non-evil alligned! LIke a Suped-up demon-hunting combat walker or something!

I could even see one of these as a Leman Russ "counts as"!

Too many ideas! I can't concentrate on work!

ok... as far as i can see your build is way smaller than mine... i think i am not far away from the knight size so i think youors should be a good deal around the dreadknight size if i am not too mistaken here...

i like that you are able to stay true to your original concept...something i am always failing to achive... my projects always grow like cancer... no one...not even me knows where they will end up^^...

the basic shoulder concept will keep your project true to the sketch so stick with that... it is a good choice for material i think!

the first claw looks very good... very sharp and techy looking... delivered as promised^^ so i bet the hand will be done shortly... does that piece later on allow you to pose it as you want it? that would be fantastic!

as for the filter balls... i´ve read that long ago too and for that purpose (which i haven´´t yet tested in the slightest) i have opened and collected about four or more fiilter cartridges...a feat not for the faint of heart...IF you want the body of the filter cartridge to be still intact...^^ which i have achieved after many a swearings^^

also i really like your idea about the four horsemen of apocalypse! would love to see these themed walkers from you! in a terry pratchet book (thief of time) there was a fifth horseman even... called ronny soak...aka chaos...

Thanks Vik! I had read that the Knight Titans were between 6 and 9 inches (152mm to 228mm) tall. Mine might be close to 6 inches, but maybe shorter.

Maybe more like a DreadKnight, like you said, from the experimental rules for the Decimator, it does sound like the Choas version of a DreadKnight, so that would make sense.

I'll be somewhat close to the concept drawing, but it will change some. I want the vertical part, running down from the shoulders to be wider, to fit a pilot, and there will be an access hatch on top. The head I am re-thinking. Maybe something closer to a viewing slot on a tank for the "good" variant. The "evil" variants might still be "demonically" driven, if desired, and if so, the head will be more like the concept. And the "corrupted" variant might have a decaying skull with flesh sagging off it.

hmmm all these concepts sound really mouthwatering^^

a true walking tank... ahve you seen this thread here for inspiration:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/416311.page

Ah yes! Octavius's new Medium Steamwalker is a work of art! He has some amazing steampunk stuff!

I can only hope mine turns out half as nice!

I'm working on concepts for the variants, as soon as I get them sorted, an looking decent, I'll post them.

With the variants, I'm hoping to be able to have the base walker, and just have different armor plates, heads and weapons for the variants.

well if i take mine as a possible analogy for yours then i say a good way to come up with variants that way ouwl be by making different shoulder pads for starters...and shinpads as well...atfer that you have to see what other places you build where armor plates can be designed...also i would think about weapon arms... you could of course make all horsemen with two CCW arms but i think eight amrs done that way might be a bit much for you... might get boring^^

Keep in mind, the 40K building storey size is about 3 inches tall, think how it will look in terrain! I'm pretty sure 9" tall would get to ignore all cover saves, just because it is so tall. 6" seems about right, 2 storeys?

Good point Dave, thanks! I am going to make this with posable legs, so in theory, there maight be a farily wide range of heights possible. Scrunched down, or extended.

I have some copies of the claws done, and I am making some progress on the body, lots of details left to add.


I also got the sentinel legs I ordered. They are way to scrawny for this guy, even if I bulked them out considerably. But it will help with the design of the new legs, as a model for how it would work mechanically.

After I took this picture, I found one of my defiler heads...it is WAY too small for this guy! I will have to design something a lot bigger. I want the head "rotatable" to be able to pose it looking in different directions, so I am thinking just a ball on a post basically, and then a head with a hollowed out area for the ball to fit into. Or....make the head the ball, and just a post with a concave area to fit the ball onto...either way, I want it to be posable in different directions.

The legs are going to pose the biggest problem. I assume they will have to be pinned in the pose you want and glued in place, but building it in separate pieces to allow that will be tricky.

I'm basically just thinking out loud here, just a rambling on, so to speak. But feedback is appreciated.

Thanks for looking!

RSJake

i would suggest you buy a set of lego bionicles to give you some ideas as to how to achieve the posing issues...could be helpful...a lot...

the claw...is it clawy and shooty? OMG... never thought of that for my own needs...

Yeah, the legs are going to be interesting to say the least! The caws are supposed to have heavy flamers in them, but just add an ammo belt, and presto! Heavy Bolter!

clever idea...that thingy by the way looks suspicious...what did you use for that muzzle? looks a bit like a piece of junk?...could that be?^^

We love it when Junk becomes weaponry!

It's the tip of a ball-point pen! Sort of junk...just don't tell my wife where her pens keep going!

Problem is getting enough of the same kind of pen to pillage.

I'm going to cast the one when I've got it all riveted and I'll have my 2! Or more...

dsteingass wrote:Problem is getting enough of the same kind of pen to pillage.

in essence that is right... so when i see a good shape of something like a pen i buy me a set^^

Most of the pens I get are from local merchants who give them away for free as advertizing.

Got a bit more done on the walker.

My focus for the build has shifted from something resembling a Decimator to a Steam-Powered Armored Walker. I can envision it being converted from the model I build to be similar to a Decimator, or to "count-as" a Leman Russ, or a Predator Tank, or maybe even for something from the Warmachine line. Or just a stand-alone war walker. Who knows! I think it will look pretty good though. I hope that when I cast the hull, I'll be able to make one cast hollow, and be able to cut the top away, to add/show the interior detail. Maybe have the one with interior detail as an option to purchase. I envision there being one pilot, low and in front in the hull, and a tank commander, who would sit above and behind the pilot. And the commander would be able to stand up, out of the hatch if desired, so they can wave their sword menacingly at the enemy.

So, here is the walker as of last night. (the defiler head is shown only for reference. It will not be a part of the final build.)


I am currently working on the should and hip ball-joints.

So, what do you think?

RSJake

HAHA Yep, like this!

Looking great so far man!

Neat

Exactly Dave! LOL!

Thanks Cap'n!

That picture reminded me though, of why I don't want to try to build a walker that could "count-as" a Leman Russ from the start...where would I put the cannon? On the shoulder? Maybe, but if someone wants to convert it for that purpose, that's on them!

I would put it as a two handed gun, Kind of like Brother Vicbraus?'s Missile launcher
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/235194.page

That would work! But I'll save that for a conversion at a later date!

a walking tank i think would always look nice... and by the way... that defiler head positioned as a kind of belt buckle looks good... you should maybe do that on your own too...

and that two handed maingun idea...

something like that would always look nice:



the pistons on the hips look very good...i think i should take your work more to heart for referrence on my own project^^

Vik is right, I think you could easily make a better looking belt buckle

Um....that's where the head is going to go!

You're probably teasing me.

Anyway, I am thinking of maybe building up some sort of "housing" for the pilot, that would stick out in front of the body somewhat. With either a view port, or a sensor array. I like the 2 hander gun idea! I'd have to re-work the fingers on the hands, but it's do-able. And shoulder-mounted heavy bolter sponsons! And a Hull-mounted heavy bolter below the pilot housing! I like!

hmmm actually i was not teasing... it is how i tackle projects everytime... go with the flow... i cant stick to concepts anyway^^ and i was like... well there could be the belt...yep... beside you mentioned a commander sticking his head out... so i imagined him rather looking out of the shoulder neck part than where your head actually you had planned...

maybe you make also a non clawy hand for the triggerhand? i mean you have earlier stated you wanted to do more than one version of this walker... like the hrosemen idea... and thus it could be ...well a khornish one with the clawhands for WAR and a more "hand" like hand for the other fellas...tho on second thought... all of the horsemen have a sort of ghoulish theme attached to them... so a clawlike or skeleton hand would always be on theme...


the whole compartment issue is still giving me the confusing look...i would need a mockup or something to help me stay in line of your thoughts pattern here... i like the idea but it is rather a long way away form your first sketch i would say... so how and with what you want to do that? and for that matter where?... not questioning the idea but that makes me rather edgy for new updates mate! gimmy, gimmy, gimmy^^

A Mock-up! Yes! That is exactly what is needed Vik! Thanks! I mean, I can see it in my mind's eye much better then I can explain it, and I can mock it up almost as good as I can see it.


(sorry for the "Frankein-walker"! It's not easy to do this in MS Paint! )

So, the bottle cap that was next to the walker in the previous picture is going to be the feet, as shown in the mock-up. I envision a "cab" like compartment coming off the front, for the pilot, with space for guns or sensors of some kind to be mounted. And the hatch for the commander is on top. Looking at the mock-up, the legs might need to be longer, taking the height to somewhere around 6-1/2 inches. But we'll see how the legs turn out. Right now it's just under 5 inches.

I will most likely make some hands that are more Hand-like, with non-clawed fingers. But for the 2 handed gun, and other variants, those I think will be conversions. I want to keep the basic model pretty basic, so I don't infringe on anyone's IP. However, I may make separate kits to aid in conversion, but they would be made by me, and not made from anyone else's design. Forgive me if I ramble, I am just talking through some ideas and such.

As for the 4 horsemen, those may end-up being conversions too. But we'll see if I can make "kits" for that too. And I have good ideas for War and Pestilence and Death, but I'm having a hard time thinking of a way to show Famine on a giant robot. Any ideas?

Thinking more about these ideas though, I might want to make the extra cab I am planning on separately. I could have one variant with that set-up, and anohter with some metal helm-like head where the defiler head is/was. So many ideas running through my head! It hurts!

You could keep the cab on the front and just modify it slightly for the more chaotic look? brb
This was done stupid fast in PS just to give you an idea? You could always add more iconography etc but it would pretty much use the same base as the original cab.

Looks like an Original Cylon! I love it! Yeah, that could definately be a great variant for Chaos! Thanks BH! Kind of gives it that "Knight" feel to it too.

I envision a 2 person crew running these for armies similar to IG, or one could operate it for a Space Marine type army, or something similar to a Dreadnought sarcophogus. So, really the options are only limited by imagination!

I think I will have one or two base models, MkI and MkII if you will, and have variants of those! I am totally stoked about this build! I guess I say that about all of my projects, but I get excited easily!

Your excitement is infectious from the start of this thread youve had me looking at my chopped up Defiler legs and thinking what I can do alongside yours. I may just have to start tinkering



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Actually looking again, how does the front of a Dread sarcophagus look on the front there? Could be a good base to start work from? Im not sure how it would work size wise but I think the shape is pretty similar to your mock ups head

I only have a hacked up dread with an Ork head sticking out of it but I'll take a pic for size comparison.

A juggernaught head might look good on this thing as a possible conversion later! Speaking of conversions Biohazard, where are you on this thing?

Biohazard wrote:

i think these legs would be too big, but I may liberate the idea for inspiration!

To be honest thats as far as I got with that. I do have plans to return to it but at the momentmainly due to time/money ie not enough of either. I still have the plans and part list for it so I can resurrect the Gorehound when R/L settles down a little. I have been using some of the remaining defiler legs to make a set of legs similar to Tipios' in his thread. http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/720/321822.page
Im gonna have a crack at something similar but reverse the torso. Im not sure how I will broaden the shoulders but will play around.

That will be cool! I think that is the idea I sort of started with, until I decided I wanted to make copies and maybe sell them, then I figured I needed to make it all from scratch.

Since seeing that foot of yours though, I have completely re-designed the feet for my build. I hope it comes out like I envision! I should have an update by Monday.

Excellent. That foot honestly just came together. I had a huge pile of bits in front of me and I knew I wanted it to look semi functional and then IT appeared. Hopefully the rest of the Titan goes as smoothly. Looking forward to your progress.

The cake is a lie!

dsteingass wrote:The cake is a lie!

????

You're hanging around Miss Dee to much!

Nah, been playing Portal!
Your foot is standing on somethign about cake..

Oh! I missed that in Biohazard's picture!

Haha! Its cake stand. I wanted a decent base for the Titan and found that for about £1;50

your mokup looks excellent jake...and biohazard... nice new version of yours too...

seeing the concept now i think this is definatly a good decision to see this through... that idea has lots of potential and i think this is definatly something that will have a market!

as for the famine horseman... in the bible and in certain inspired books i´ve read famine rides out to the apocalypse with a set of scales...maybe this could help you?

of course you could always go for a more firey look...fire being the greatest threat to crops and such things...

Oh, I can't wait to go "Biblical" with these guys! LOL!

Thanks Vik, I think the best way to do it would be to have scales on the armor plates, and one arm have a huge flamethrower! I mean the kind of flamethrower you have make up new rules for!


Not exactly like this, but you get the idea!

War = Brutal close combat. Lots of spikes and chains on the armor.
Pestilence = Some kind of biological projectile weapon. And corrupted armor.
Famine = "Hades" pattern Flame Cannon. Scales and desicated corpses on the armor.
Death = Giant 2 handed cannon with a giant sythe attached to the barrel! Skulls and bones all over the armor.

Yeah!

But I need to get the basic walker done first.

uuuuuiiiii^^ sweet ideas!

yep i am sold on the concepts...totally^^

Slightly off topic, but maybe more inspiration for me:



If I can't use some of this in this build, I will save it for my Orks!

if yyou cut down the snout of that thing... i think you have a good looking compartment for the walker...of course...any proud orc would love to fight in/with this rusty kan^^

You know if you squint your eyes a little that almost looks like a Thunderhawk on tracks.....

*drys off monitor from spilled coke all over it...*

Lovely rivets on that thing...

It does have some classic Thunderhawk styling...And I think I have found a possible theme for my old '71 Travelall! Rivets! (also, expect some progress updates on Monday morning! )

lol... well of course... riveting will see that old battle cruiser up and about again^^

LOL, yeah, it's almost up and about, it just has a short somewhere that I need to find so I don't have to worry about the battery being dead when I go into the woods. But Rivets will help I think!

So, I got some more work done on the walker.
Here you can see the shoulder and hip joints. Along with the "cup" sockets for the shoulders and hips. I am in the midst of re-working the shoulder joint though. I found a cap similar to the hip joint, just a little smaller, and I think it will work better. So you'll see that next time if I go with it.


Here is what I have so far laid out so you can see the arm as I have it planned. I might use the same arm sections for the legs, just glue them in place, so they don't articulate as much as the arms.


And here is a close-up of the pelvis area, with my first attempts at "welding". I think it will look alright when I'm done.


So, C&C appreciated as always!

RSJake

This is going to be epic!
For the legs, are You going to do a revers knee (like a ostrich) or a human one?

@SelvaggioSaky -Thanks!

More like a Warhound. Similar to this.


But smaller of course.

I think this guy will end up being around 6 inches tall, plus or minus.

I want to have several different arm and weapon options. It's coming along faster than I would have thought! But not fast enough, I'm growing impatient! I have to slow down a bit, or I will get frustrated.

or I will get frustrated.

that´s where i am atm...

shoulders etc are not working out like i planned... frustrating...

but your walker looks like a huge thing! this will truly be a sight to see! what i would like to see is a scale shot with a marine or IG mini... that would be nice...or for that matter a dreadnought... just to put it in the right perspective...

love by the way the already done detailwork...welding lookjs very good... and the joints look very cool... will be tons better when painted...

Thanks Vik! Yeah, lots of detail work left to do! Still trying to work out the legs, I think I want to use some tubing that is a bit bigger than the arms, so I still have no idea exactly how tall it will be when done. I'll get some scale shots tonight.

that would be nice... well legs is one thing... and i think you are one the right track already... but what about feet? do you have a vision of these already? i think feets are even harder then the legs...

I have a few different concepts on my desk at home for the feet. I am leaning towards something with 4 toes on the front, 2 toes in the back, and lots of hydraulics all over the place. Very complicated, but it should look good.

Watching with interest to see the walker!

RSJake wrote:I have a few different concepts on my desk at home for the feet. I am leaning towards something with 4 toes on the front, 2 toes in the back, and lots of hydraulics all over the place. Very complicated, but it should look good.

i picture that now with claws too like a veloceraptor...

Kind of what I have in mind vik! Sort of like RoboCop 2! But with more toes!


And thanks for visiting TH3FALL3N! I should have more progress on this in the next few days!

man...that beast is so long ago... i didnt even remeber it anymore... but yep...just like that in a way...

Just finished reading through your blog. Impressive! Can't wait to see even more!

Thanks Demdiddydizzy! There will be more.. Oh yes, there will be.....



Sorry Vik, I had a scale shot, but something happened to the pics I took last night, and none of them made it to the computer. I think I had an ID-10T error while downloading.

I try to get some more scale shots tonight.

well...that happens^^...


but all is good that ends well^^

Then I sadly, will have to wait patiently!

Wait no longer!
Scale shot:


Scale shot with a ruler next to it:


As you can see it's around 4-1/2 inches or 19cm right now. But I don't know how the legs will affect (effect? I can never get those straight) the height.

Thanks for looking,
RSJake

Awwwwwww yeah! I can already tell this thing will turn out extremely impressive!

yep second demdiddydizzy here...

scale shot looks nice... and rules wise... it only counts how tall it is standing not how tall it could be standing... so if the bended legs would give the impression of a way taller mini...the former height still counts...so make them legs as you see fit!!!

Thanks guys! I'll keep the height rules in mind. I am currently adding rivets to the main hull. I'm using the pressmolded GS method I used before, using the Instant Mold for the press mold tool. It's looking pretty good, but no pics yet. I'll take some pics when I am a bit further along.

BTW, nice avatar Inspektor Vik!

it is one of my favorites atm... tarkin was always a cool character...i mean... wasn´t cushing always splendid in every movie?^^

and i am looking forward to those pressmoulded-on rivets!

Rivets!

Yay!

I used different rivet application methods. The gray ones are done using the "press mold" method, that is, I use Instant Mold to make a thin "tool" of Instant Mold, and heat up one end, and press that against the rivet I want to copy. In this case I made my own rivet from a rounded off styrene rod, cut to length, and glued to a styrene sheet. Then, when the Instant Mold tool has cooled, I take a small bit of GS, in my case "Gray Stuff" (ProCreate) and smoosh it into the rivet mold of the tool, and then press it where I want the rivet to go. It's hard to get it in just the right spot, so you will see some of the rivets are not perfectly lined up, but once they cure, you can scrape them off, and glue them in the right place.

I also tried El Vik's method of using a pin to stab a rivet made of styrene rod, in this case a hex rod, for a bolt. My rivets kept coming off the pin in the glue, and making a horrible mess. So I switched to a slightly different method, using a toothpick to apply the glue where I wanted it, and using a hobby knife to move the rivet to where the glue is. These bolt rivets are on the under side of the "pelvis" regeon of the walker. To show that the bottom plate is removable for maintanence.




I also used GS to make more "welds" along the pevis joints.

Thanks for looking!

RSJake

Same technique, different method, it's all good!
It looks GREAT!

Personally, I just use the xacto blade so that I only have to stab, dip, place- for speed-riveting purposes

On bigger rods, I'm sure it works well...or maybe just less clumsey people can do it easier, who knows.

well i actually had the odd messy rivet disaster that way happen to me too...all in a days work i guess...

but man...that is some damn fine looking rivet work you did there! and up goes another much needed version of rivetmaking we haven´t thought of yet for the article...pressmoulding the rivets...this one will be a giant of an article...

the pace you are currently working in is very fast! i hope you feel proud about that clean and athmospheric looking model you are creating!

Thanks Vik! It's coming along, the details slow you down though. Slapping this thing up to a certain degree of done-ness went quick, but now that I have to detail stuff, it seems to be creeping by. I need to finish the detailing on the arms and legs, so I can cast them so it can stand up!

I do have ideas for the cannon holding hands, I just need to get some designs sketched.

I don't think the hands holding the cannon will be posable, just sculpted to hold the cannon and that's it. Too many pieces to make otherwise.

Thanks Vik!

to be honest i am quite anxious to see how you do your arms... my own works look a bit ...well...and i need some new inspiration i guess...^^

Wait no longer Vik!

I am doing my arms and legs in several sections to allow multiple poses.


I am also trying to figure out what to do with the "engine" area in the back. Nothing is coming to me.



Any advice or help any of you can give on engines and such would be apprecitated!

Thanks for looking.

RSJake

The engine from either the Killer Kans or the Deff Dread looks great - also awesome exhausts.

Just finished reading through this gem of a thread and I must say that this is impressive stuff that you are doing here man!

On your walker. Have you thought of making it a knight titan?




I think that is closer to what it feels like to me!

I am inspired into wanting to try my hand at a knight titan now...

So many ideas so little time....

I absolutely LOVE the riveted pilot seat/sarcophagas/whatever it is!


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How about exhaust pipes like on the Sentinel engine, but all steam-like?

Thanks GuitaRasmus! I will see what inspiration I can get from that! I want it steampowered, so I will have to add a boiler somewhere, but that's a great start!

@SilverHayabusa - I don't know if it will be tall enough for that, but I figure with some creative converting, it would be possible. I think it would have to be around 3 inches taller than I am currently planning on.

@ Dave - Thanks! I'm planning on even more rivets, I just had to wait for those to cure. There will be many rivets all over this thing. It's exhausting! Speaking of exhaust, yep, the sentinel exhaust and the ork ones are great inspiration! Thanks! It's the "steam" part that is a little fuzzy, maybe I should look at some old trains for ideas too!

Thats okay. I just wondered if you thought that it would be big enough since I haven't seen any rules or sizing on them.

I drew a sketch of what might look good and will take a photo to post when I get home in a little bit.

Basically a large boiler (cylinder) strapped to the back of the walker about halfways down the (body) with a water intake pipe and two exaust vents.

However I also thought of what might be a cool weapon.
If the superheated steam was stored up in presure tanks to be released instead of a flamer.


... I thought that it sounded rather cool in my head...

Yeah, I have no idea actually, but I have heard that knight titans are around 8 inches tall. It could work, but like I said, it may need leg extenitions.

I would love to see the sketch. Feel free to post it here.

That would be a great weapon, and I could model it in such a way that the canisters could also be fuel storage. I don't want to limit this build to JUST steampunk, I want it to work for multiple genre to appeal to a wider market.

It does sound rather cool.

Things like these riveted beauties come to my mind




I think if you add the ubiquitous heavy, giant, cast flywheel (or a gear) to anything back there and you can make it look great!

That top one is super sexy Dave! Thanks! Now, how about a heat source?

Well, your walker will have energy weapons of some kind right? So it is safe to assume they have some sort of small, contained power/heat source (I think you have the freedom to flubb this a bit). If not, then I guess it needs a tender and a guy shoveling coal into a fire

I think that it should be a small fusion reactor producing the heat and high power that is required to run the walker and weapons.

i think you´d be on safe ground if you go more for a dieselpunk theme... thus you wouldn´t need to waste too much room for all those boilers and such things... cumbustion is way more effective.... soemthing then like zinge did with his V8 engine would be sufficient on the back i think...


the arm and joints look very good...could you show us the inside of the shoulder joint tho? where the small ball of the body will have to fit in? would love to see that!

I like that look (needs more rivets though), but I guess if they had fusion batteries, they wouldn't need steam power eh? When do you cross the line and it is no longer Steampunk? I dunno.
Maybe we are overthinking it, and you just need to go with the rule of cool?

for some reason i always forget a water intake ...seing your sketch silver i need to remind me soon about that^^, by the way...nice one there!


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dsteingass wrote:I like that look (needs more rivets though), but I guess if they had fusion batteries, they wouldn't need steam power eh? When do you cross the line and it is no longer Steampunk? I dunno.
Maybe we are overthinking it, and you just need to go with the rule of cool?

^that dave! look at all these warmachine models... many of these have not really convincing means of propulsion but look cool nevertheless!

Well if you look at Ford late 50's design that was brought up in your thread Dave... (Yea.. I'm still prowd that I read these all the way through...) It was fusion powered to creat the heat. The car itself was steam powered...

very very cool so far, really liking watching this

Silver! I like that sketch very much! It gives me so many ideas! I think I will use a combination of that and the shiney boiler that dave posted. Also need a whistle!

And yeah, having a fusion heat sourse doesn't mean you have the means of using the power for electrical purposes. Unless you're using steam to run a generator, which would work too.

but I want to concentrate on this thing making a lot of pressure to run the pistons and such, but will also need some elecrical power. I'll just say the fly-wheels and generators are in the massive shoulders.

Lots of pipes and hoses running from the boiler to the hull.

Thanks Bigfish!

Could even make it two vertical tanks.
But I think that the horizontal looks more _____ punkish..

Well, I have to see what I can find to use. If I can't find one larger tank, I might have to go with 2 smaller vertical ones.

Yes, the horizontal one would look more like a locomotive.

maybe you could get a hold on some scuba diving gear? any toy would do...

we definatly need to see more sketches like that... also...although not really intended but i like the seethrough effect of this sketch...

Excellent Silver! Thanks!

Anything I can do I will! Your build is insperational!

No pics to update, as the tank is still curing. I had to make a press-mold of the rounded end so I could make the same rounded end on the other side, but I think it will work great. It's actually the right size to go either horizontal or vertical, so I will post some mock-up pics tomorrow of both ways, see what you guys think. Thinking of what I have so far, the boiler may HAVE to be horizontal, so that it is over the heat source better. The square part on the back of the walker is going to be the "heat source", and the boiler will be attached above and to the rear of that. with hoses and such all over the place. Something like this.

Looking good!

By the way what do you use to make your molds and cast with them?

For simple things, I press mold using Instant Mold, and for the material I use either ProCreate (Gray Stuff, or GS) for small things, but for larger things, I use Apoxie Sculpt, which cures harder, but allows for less detail transfer, but it sands and smooths out better than GS.

For things I want many copies of, I use Smooth-On mold rubber and resin. It works very well, I just need to get better at it. But it is so much fun to see an exact replica of something you made come out of the mold!

For the tank, I used a highlighter marker, and cut the tip off, and cut about a 1 inch section of the barrel of the marker. I used Apoxie Sculpt to round off one end, let it cure overnight, sanded and polished it smooth, then made a press mold of the rounded end. I have the other end in the pressmold right now at home, with Apoxie Sculpt curing onto the marker barrel. I will sand and polish it tonight, and see how it looks. I should have some pics tomorrow.

I shall see if I can find a place to buy some Instant Mold then!
Thank for letting me know.

It's great stuff, there are other brands too, I haven't used any others yet though. Lots of places to find it. I used Amazon.

http://www.amazon.com/Hobby-Supplies-9001-Instant-Mold/dp/B005PODIVY

This is a link to InstaMorph on Amazon. Similar, but different. I want to try it out.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003QKLJKQ/ref=pd_lpo_k2_dp_sr_1/179-3296888-5093034?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_r=08J0JCEB9AB0ANK21EBR&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=486539851&pf_rd_i=B005PODIVY

Just Google Instant Mold, you'll find some.

Now to activate my credit card and to order these!
Thanks Jake been wanting to learn/attempt to make molds for a long time.
I whent to Micheal's on sunday and couldn't tell what would work or not..
I had found stuff to cast with but nothing to make molds with...

Thanks again and again I'm loving the walker so far!
I'm sletching a design for a knight titan now... It's all your fault... ^^

Yeah, it's hard to know what will work, and what you will like to work with. I have a list of other stuff I want to try at some point, but I have to wait until I have a bigger work area. I am already spilling dangerously over my imaginary line in the dining room, and will need to rearange stuff soon.

Sorry about the Knight Titan sketch! Go for it, what is the worst that can happen? I know you'll make it look good, you hjave some great scratch builds!

Yea...

I should finish at least one before I start another...

Finishing projects is over-rated!

Yea.... But I think my wife is getting sick of half finished things laying about....

RSJake wrote: Finishing projects is over-rated!

^THAT

SilverHayabusa wrote:Yea.... But I think my wife is getting sick of half finished things laying about....

i know that one... but the get used to it eventually...really they do^^ you just have to be persistent about it


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oh...i thought i skim your thread a bit but then i saw your mspaint- fu and well... nice^^

Viktor von Domm wrote:
oh...i thought i skim your thread a bit but then i saw your mspaint- fu and well... nice^^

Ha ha! OK, OK. I'll read full threads more often! I get it! I get it!

lol...

I like the boiler idea! Can't wait to see it on the model!

Jake, I'm thinking double, vertical boilers would look cool!

0r a hourglass shaped one, but Im not sure how that would work structurally

Capitansolstice wrote:0r a hourglass shaped one, but Im not sure how that would work structurally

Wha??

Double vertical would look pritty good...
But I think that a large horizontal is still more steamy..

Update!

Well, if I went with double vertical, I would have to find different boilers, but let me know what you think of these:
Horizontal Boiler - Back:


Side:


Vertical Off-set Boiler - Back:


Side:


Also, Vik asked a while ago for pics of the ball and socket joints for the shoulders and hips:



Hip on the left, shoulder on the right.

Let me know which Boiler configuration you preffer! I don't have to go with only one option. I can make variants, even a diesel-like engine at some point for a "not quite so Steampunk" look.

Personnaly, I like the horizontal for this tank, and if I can make some smaller tanks, I'll go for double vertical with those.

Thanks for looking,

RSJake

That's REALLY cool, I like the single after all!

well... the off set look...wait for it...off... if you do a second one then i am buying that idea... otherwise the horizontal one gets my for now...

as for your joints... those shapes look very good! i think you can be very proud of that clean and smooth work... this will later on provide with excellent posability!!! with such work you are very trustworthy as an artist and a salesman! and no... i am not trying to butter you up for a future buy^^...lol...


by the way... i noticed a lot of green plastic used in this build...where do you get all those nice fitting looking plastic bitz?

Thanks guys! I'm digging the horizontal tank now too. And when I cast the tank...after mucho rivets of course! I'll set two in the vertical possition and see what that looks like.

I had the vetical one off-set to leave room for a smokestack. I may still have that as an option.

On the joints, thanks Vik, it was a good bit of trial and error to get this system, but I like it. Yes, posability is the word! I like options.

The lighter green "tubes" is a green highlighter marker that I cut up. Just one, and I still have a bit left! The darker green is the Apoxie Sculpt I mentioned earlier in one or the other of my threads. It holds less detail than GS, so not good for sculpting, but it cures much harder, so it's great for filling cracks and making press mold stuff that isn't too small, and after sanding and polishing, it's even shiney!

ah yeah... i recall that stuff again...


and the highlighter marker... yep...Facepalm: you ´ve mentioned that earlier on... i am getting old...


the combo with the smokestack...ok... when you do that i will hold my final vote^^ till then

I like the offset vertical

Capitansolstice wrote:I like the offset vertical

And waiting for the exhaust pipes, that would look good me think!

Dude looking awesome!
My vote is as always was.. For the win!... I mean the vertical tank.

I like the furnace box that you've built under the tank.
As well I think that the joints are amazing and will offer amazing flexability to poses!

Great job so far and I can't wait to see more!

~Silver

For the smokestack, I tried to bend some copper tube with a 90 degree bend, but it just crimped, and didn't look right, so I have to figure out a different approach. I might have to sculpt it. We'll see.

Anyway, not a whole lot to update, just some press-mold rivets that are curing.


It kind of looks like sapce marine armor right now. I usually press them on where I want them to go, but these are going to be so close together that the tool I sue to press them on kept messing up the one next to it, so I spaced them out, and when they cure, I will remove them and glue them where I want them.

Other than that, just lots of other rivets and other details being added to the hull and such, and gaps being filled. I hope to have the hull ready for an initial cast in a few weeks. The initial cast is going to be pretty plain apart from the rivets and such, so that I can have a few variants with different wiring designs for different variants of the walker. For instance, some will have more and larger tubing added for the steam powered walker, some will have smaller tubes for a diesel-powered look, and some will have a mass of twisted cable running all over it for the "demon-powered" or "possessed" look. And the demon/possessed walker will have a propper head instead of the cockpit/sarcophogus.

A deamon walker.. With a head... Wow..
Me like that idea...

Everyone will hate me but I can't stand that style of spacemarine armor... I don't know what it is about it. But all those little bumps just look wrong...

But I digress...
I think that it is comming along wonderfully and can't wait to see more!

I have a demon head in mind...but it will take some re-working to make it look more machine-like....but that is a ways off.

I don't like that armor either, I mean, where do you put the chapter badge? Don't get me started.

Thanks Silver! I'm getting close to casting one section of the leg, and (sometime) after that I should have a working set of legs...I'm just making this all up as I go though, so we'll see.

Thats how the best stuff is made!
I like alittle pre planning. But whats the point when it all goes in the garbage as the project grows?
It's like how LoTR was written. Start to end. He didn't know where it was going. It was an adventure for him as well.

Keep it loose and free and let the projects grow as they dictate and things will look natural. If we're all to uptight and don't let them change then things look posed and fake..

Lookin' pretty good so far!

interesting way of massproducing rivets... i need to resuply my sculpting material it seems...

Thanks guys, It's still coming along slowly, not a whole lot to show after the weekend.

Darn holidays.

I mean, how is a rabbit who poops eggs and jelly beans supposed to represent some guy turning into a zombie?

Anyway, I got the boiler tank almost to the point of casting, just a few more rivets. The press mold method of riveting does produce nice rounded rivets, but it takes longer. Just FYI.



And the pilot cockpit/sarcophogus is just about done too.


I got a bunch of rivets on one of the leg joints too, and more details here and there. I'm still hopeful to have most of it done by the end of April, but we'll see.

Lovely riveting!

It isn't, like the Christmas Tree, and all Hallow's Eve: hiding eggs is a pagan tradition that dates back to when people thought the sun died in the winter and was reborn in the spring. Spring is a time of rebirth, and a traditional Feasting day to celebrate new life, so when the Crusaders marauded across Europe, converting people to Christianity, they adapted the local Pagan feast days and tradtions and eventually renamed them to Christian Holidays in order to win the hearts and minds of the populations.

We can't have populations not in compliance, it isn't good for empire-building.

That is veryy true!
I would not be the dictator...
.. I mean loving ruler that I am today if they people didn't love me...


I'm likeing the boiler so far!

those parts look as if you are soon about to cast them...and damn they looks very cool...so make a muiiilllliiioooonnn copies^^

Thank Dave! I figured it was something like that. I just like making fun of. I think I deserve it. When I was 7, my birthday was on Easter, and again when I was 14. I thought it was really cool, and an honor to share such a wonderful holiday. But it has never happened again, and I have soured on the whole thing.

Silver, Thanks!

Vik, the sarcophogus is just about ready, yes. The tank will be cast, and then used to make at least two different styles of steam engine.

*rubs hands* you do that!^^ variation always makes everything better^^

I can not wait to see your awesomeness emerge from that casting womb!

Ah, Vik's machinewerks has competition in the robot making category!

Men are dying while Vik delays at the Manufactorum....
They had no choice but to accept bids

competition is good for earthly bussness....
I don't know if the imperium works the same....

I hope you have your mechanicus licencing worked out....

YOU! WHAT! er...right...delaying on my side...er...*trods off*


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dsteingass wrote:Men are dying while Vik delays at the Manufactorum....
They had no choice but to accept bids

I thought we were working in conjuction, not competition! It's like different Forge Worlds.

*phewwww* that was a close one... i thought my execution was just moments ahead for me^^

No teamwork! No survival!

...

I mean teamwork = no survival!

teamwork= no survival??? what are you? lone rider? lol

The Cult of the Machine God doesn't approve of our unsanctified forges, and our devotion to the Rivet over their Omnissiah. They think they and their cogboys should have a monopoly on all things built, so they introduce red tape to hamper our progress

red tape

???



and :
well my rivetgun sure has a thing to say in that matter

@ Vik - Nuuu... Just not a fan of monopolies...
And teamwork does that...


Kill them all!!!!


We will build stronger, better, and faster!

well i have no problems with monopolies or tyrannny...provided i am the tyrann in command...

But I thought that we said it was my turn to be in command Vik....?

HA! tremble before my tyranic power! feeble servant that you are...muhahhhahhhahhhhhhhh...er...*coughs*

*Hands you your medication* ... Here master...

Better living through chemistry!

LOL...*chokes*...


silver wanted to kill the




get him...

No I didn't....

...I just put him in a coma...


Now I'm proxy ruler!

(Nice pun there!)

Hmmmmm.

I hate to interupt a somewhat bloodless coup, but I have pictures.

First off, I got a shipment yesterday! One of the items was resin dye! I thought I was getting "black" or at least "gray" because that was how it was pictured in the example. The color is called "African American". I think I need to use more, because what I currently have in there makes it look more like chocolate milk. But it does show up a lot better than the bright white that I had. So, I poured some more resin last night. I used a combination of the syringe method and the pressure pot. All I can say is wow what a difference the pressure pot makes! It's more of a PITA, but it makes such a difference!

Here is a couple of pictures of the first good cast of the female head:


Also in the package was a block of modeling clay, so that I can try out the actual two-part mold. Not just a "cut" mold like I have been using. I should have started with this method! So that I could appeciate the "cut" method more! It's like learning to use a calculator to solve a problem before you have to do it long hand! I think I'll stick to the cut method from now on. This two-part method takes like 3 times as long to do! It might make a better, longer lasting mold, but I'd rather re-do the mold than do this again. There may be some instances that I need to do a two-parter, but I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

Anyway, here is the mold with the clay in place, ready for the mold rubber:


And after the modeling clay has been removed, waiting for the second half of the mold rubber:


I also have the mold forms for the other skull helmets ready for mold rubber tonight. I can hopefully get those cast up and production molds made for those in the coming weeks.

Thanks for looking,
RSJake

Dood, I can cricut-cut you a sheet of letters if you are tired of cutting them all by hand! Just let me know the rough dimensions!

Well, those are sculpted on, but yeah, I would rather be doing other things.

These are just over 2mm high I think.

That would be awesome! I've been trying to think of ways to do this easier, and I have come up short.

I'll see what I can come up with later tonight...

I can make it cut any single-path vector graphic...and fonts seem to translate and cut very easily. I just don't know what I'm doing as far as making or converting graphics very well. I prefer the drawing tools in MS Visio, but they don't always translate to cutting very well.

Plastic, or thick card??


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I always thought sculptors used these punches for some reason....
http://www.amazon.com/TEKTON-6610-32-Inch-Letter-36-Piece/dp/tech-data/B000NPUKY8
but I guess that would make them recessed and not raised eh?


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Well, it might not do fancy fonts well, but block-type letters it does easily, especially the 40K fonts with the skulls and aquillas and ork glyphs and such. Very useful stuff to print (even if it is a bit like cheating )

Yeah, I don't have those punches.

Blocky letters is fine.

Plastic or thinck card? Whichever is easiest.

Did you get my PM about the bases?

Yep, sounds good man!

This is the 40k Font Aquila cranked up to size 72 and cricut-ed

That's Bad A$$!

now that head is good looking... a bit on the earnest side but i guess that adds to the coolnes factor of your most recent project...

a funny quirk of life brought me in possession of a set of these punches...and i have never used them... now i feel a bit lame...


as for that small scale stuff... have you thought about using letter noodels or heck...something like that:




that stuff is around for quite some years already...?

I wanted to try something like this, for the embossed look, but I don't have one. And do they even make them anymore?

er...i guess so... because it is a very handy tool...i always thought that when you make a house move this would be the tool you use to keep your stuff together...all sorted and such...

Yeah, but when making a mold, the embossed latters will be a part of the mold. On outside of the mold directly, I can see at a glance what is inside the mold. On the sprue, I can have my company name.

Anyway, that's where the whole cutting of plastic came from.

Wow... dsteingass I want your hobby area!

What does the Crikcut thing do exactly? I have see them in the store and wondered if they would be good for scratch builds and the like, but never was really clear on their capabilities.

@Wehrkind- see my blog for the latest experiments.. It is not the best product out there for model builders like us. Mine was given to me (or left by an ex-gf) - that is the only reason I have one and am trying to bend it to my will

@Jake- Those letter punches I showed you would only work for embossing letters onto a thin sheet of PC if the punch had the letters backwards eh?

Dave, yeah, I was thinking though, that those punches could work, but I'd have to get creative. Like make the punch, fill it in with gs, and then pop the letters out, and glue them where I want them, and even backwards if needed.

One of those Embossed tape things will work though, I guess they still sell them at Office Depot.

no..I am thinking you could emboss the thin plastic, just like you can emboss rivets in thin plastic with a scratch awl or center punch tool...

I'm still looking into this matter. I think maybe I could use a 3D printing service to make some personalized sprues. I don't think that would be cheating. I could have them make some rivet sprues too!

Not much to update here either except that I got the mold done for the boiler tank! It looks pretty good! Here is a pic of the original and the first cast:

Even with all of those rivets, only ONE of the rivets had a bubble in it! And that is easily fixed with some GS. So I should have a mock-up of the boiler engin soon....I hope.


This is going pretty slow, and I think it may take the better part of the Summer. Oh well, I don't want to rush it.

Thanks for looking!
RSJake

OOohh Lovely rivets! I'd buy casts of that boiler to use on all sorts of stuff man!

Really? Well, I'll throw a couple in with your sample weapon sprue, and see what you think.

Woot!!

That boiler is looking awesome!

And remember take your time and do it the way that you want to. Make it feel right to you and if it takes all bloody year it'll be worth it!


Keep up the great work Jake!

that is a nice boiler...took me a sec to understand what i saw...at first thought..ah... so he made two...then after reading (^^) realization dawned... very good cast...

Thanks Vik!

I hurt my back the other day, and it has just gotten worse, so I can't even lift the trap door to get to the basement to pour more resin.

I'm starting to get better though, so, soon I should be able to get back to it.

I think I have figured out how I want to do the feet for the walker at long last! Yay! I still have some work to do to get it how I want it, to see if it will in fact work. I'll get some pics then, don't want to get too excited in case it's a crap idea again.

For the Boiler and furnace, I think I will go with the horzontal tank option after all. It will just work better, otherwise, if it's vertical, there is too much unused space to fill in. But we'll see, I still don't have it put together. I can't even sit at my desk right now. Flat on my back most of the time at home.

Until later,
RSJake

oh man, that sucks! stretch your hamstrings in your legs, I know that doesn't sound right, but it really helps back pain from straining with stuff like shovelling snow and similar activities.

that helps??? hmmm i will keep that in mind the next time i have backaches...curiosly i had that the last coupla weeks all too often... one of these days i really have to start doing some form of sports...the horror...^^

hey jake... i hope the backache gets better soon... that is something that can ruin quite a lot of days... and also one feels quite stupid whne this happens... but that deosn´t mean we actually did something wrong...sometimes it happens in sleep even...


well why don´t you show us some of your ideas concerning the feet? we don´t laugh...promise


and the horizontal boiler was my favorite idea all the way ^^

Well Vik might laugh... >.>
But he's in across the world so you won't know.
I won't laugh. Would love to see the sketches! You know how much I enjoy my sketches!

And feel better soon. Back pains are a real pain in the... You get the point.

Cheers!

It's not that I think anyone will laugh, I get plenty of that at home, I'm used to it.

It's that none of my sketches quite measured up to what was in my head. But I have already almost finished the actual thing, and the Apoxie sculpt should be cured by morning and I can at least put the pieces together to give you the basic idea of what I have in mind.

now that is cruel...your folks laugh at you? sue them!!!^^

I second the stretching the hamstrings advice. I had a sore back for a few years, which was weird with my super sedentary job. No one knew why till one day after a fighting event I woke up and realized I couldn't feel my left foot. Apparently my left hamstring was super tight, and was pinching off the nerve in my leg, as well as pulling my spine over to the left. Yay! Still gives me a little trouble, but by in large stretching every day helped a lot. More than all the muscle relaxants and crap they had prescribed me.

Thanks everyone! The back is feeling better. Yeah, I try to stretch every day, but with these two little kids that want to be picked up all the time, my back gets more abuse than an S&M fetishist! Ha!

Anyway, I got the foot and lower leg assembly for the walker together, or at least what will be the foot after some more work.

Here it is next to Mr. Plague Marine:


And also next to the hull for the walker for additional scale refference:


And here is what I am planning for it:


There will of course be much added to it, like wires, hose, more pistons, access hatches and what not.

I figure, it I leave it long like it is, I can adjust the joint for the next leg section up or down this section to increase or decrease the hight, and it might even be able to get the whole thing up to around 7 or 8 inches if I want it to count as a Knight Titan! We'll see when I am at the assembly phase though.

Thanks for looking,

RSJake

I think that is looking cool.
The only thing that I could think to go differantly would be how round the leg is. I would have thought it to be more rectangle or square beamishness..


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BTW...
I CLAIM THIS PAGE FOR THE OMNISSIAH!!!!

Well, I had thought of square legs, but I have more round things to build with. I guess I could look for or make something. Hmmmmm.

Also, this will only be the sub-structure, there will be armor plates over this.

Very true...
Then I guess that sounds like a good plan!

the first pic i actually thought about a devils feet... but then with the added sketched up details and the toes i am totally sold on that look...tho it looks huge... have you tried to make a foot print of the two feet next to each other? would that as you sketched it be able to stand next to each other? just asking but that is something that needs to be thought of...


if you make the hinges of the toes to be sculpted to be posed individually then you might be able to later on get some intersting posablities...

I hadn't thought about if the feet can work next to each other. I should do that.

But the hips are going to be fairly wide...it should work. And I can always make the toes oriented to the front instead of off to the side like I sketched them.

well... i am a smart mouth here... becuae... i never did that either^^ but seeing your feet...the thought crossed my mind instantly^^

Heh, - Yeah I didn't think of that either with my walker, fortunately, my feet ended up having clearance (clarence)

what? you brought a clarence under your heel??

Roger roger
What's your vector, Viktor

Wow!!!! I missed alot of stuffff. Steam tank is looking awsome!!!

hurhurhur...^^

am about to leave home for a quick trip into thw wilds by bicycles...will be joining your whole extravaganca in the eveing night...loaded with pics of course...(today free day due to labor day)

We Americans are all at work so you Europeans can have your Leisure!

dsteingass wrote:We Americans are all at work so you Europeans can have your Leisure!

lol ! subbed.

Thanks Orinoco! But I am no longer updating this thread with the Steam Walker, as it has gone far beyond a "World Eaters" project, but updates can be found on this thread.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/1500/394917.page

It's my current projects thread, and gets more traffic.

I will leave this thread for World Eater themed projects.

There will be new stuff here in the near future though! ......hopefully.

dsteingass wrote:We Americans are all at work so you Europeans can have your Leisure!

i think that sounds like a nice way of an order i can live with

So, I have been working on Plague marine conversions for a while now. I know they don't go well with a World Eater's Army, and I may be kicked off Throne of Skulls, but I figure, they have tactical advantages over Berzerkers, and a sound Army leader would use those advantages.

And in my fluff, which is still in the works, the Chief Apothecary was a student of Fabius Bile, and was ordered to research a way to make the soldiers more resilient to damage, and thus came up with a way to make Plague Marines without the direct worship of Nurgle.

I'm not saying Khorne is pleased by this...or Nurgle for that matter, but it's what I'm going with. And just in case the next Codex makes it so this cannot work, I am not gluing on the shoulder pads, just tacking them on with sticky tack.

I am also working on a Squad leader who will have Fabius Bile's back pack, it should be interesting.

Here is the finished conversion before painting:


And, here is where I am right now with the painting:


When I first went over the white base coat with the green wash, it looked too smooth and cartoony, so I made it blotchy on purpose.

I'll hopefully get some more paint on this soon.

Thanks for looking,
RSJake

I like it, the spike on its head looks like a mushroom looks nice

even before reading i thought... i bet he did this with washes... weety intorduced me to this way of painting... the gore looks interesting and the pusbags will be ...no i can´t say they look nice... not in a million years ...but a good mini nevertheless...is the yellow part also done with only washes? looks very strong if you consider it was done all by washes! good work mister!

Thanks Big Fish, the spike is actually from the chaos terminators trophy rack.

El Vik, only the green is a wash, the other colors are full on paint, but I kept them light so they would be influenced by the washes. I plan to go over the gree wash with a brown wash. Or at least in areas, to give it a dirtier look.

hmmm... i bet this will look stunning then... brown and green wahs souds like a winning formula!...maybe if you fell like it a bit of red wash in the mix too...

I should get some red wash. Not sure why I don't have it yet.

well being in the hobby now in earnest for about more than two years and only today i got my first bottle of bleached bone... crazy i know^^

Use it....Wisely!- you're gonna need more than one pot of it


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Jake...I have some old GW inks! But Didi's Magic Inks are superb!! http://www.thewarstore.com/didismagicink.html

whenever i can get my hands on old inks of GW i grab like a mad man^^...

well... you think i need more? i guess i have to test it tomorrow... for now i only used white so far...

Dave thanks for the link! I'll have to give those a try!

They give you nice, BIG bottles too, no stupid tiny pots.

I miss the GW inks. A lot.

Just washes now.

Other companies sell inks. There is no rule saying you can only use GW paints..even in the Golden Demons

lol... but actually it is way easier to me to get GW stuff then any other paint/ wash or ink...

and for some reasons other companies stuff don´t get sold second hand so often as GW stuff... on second thought that might only mean that peeps get rid of their GW stuff on ebay and dumb peeps like me buy them... while the more brighter lads get vallejo paints and such things

oooh Jake, this stuff is cool too! Damn you with your distracting threads! *Shakes fist* xxx

Muahahahahahaha!

I hope to have more time this weekend to get stuff done.

I say that every weekend, but I am really hopefull this time!

I think I have said that before too.

RSJake wrote:Muahahahahahaha!

I hope to have more time this weekend to get stuff done.

I say that every weekend, but I am really hopefull this time!

I think I have said that before too.

Lol you're not fooling anyone Jake xxx

You're right, I'll never have enough time to do what I want to do!

There, there Jake. Have a beer and relax!

RSJake wrote:You're right, I'll never have enough time to do what I want to do!

gibbs says:





Purge it with fire!!!

Why does Gibbs always seem to be the answer to everything??

progreen10 wrote:Why does Gibbs always seem to be the answer to everything??

Because he is!

lol... says the guy with the sheldon avatr pic...


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and hyena joe... i like your way of thinking^^

I actually have a very good friend that looks almost exactly like James Van Der Beak. So seeing that image makes me laugh every time!

Ah Gibbs. We love that show! I'll be working at my desk, and wife asks "Do you want to watch Law and Order: SVU?", "Pass" I say. "How about Bones?" she askes, "Hmmmm, no, I need to work honey." "NCIS?", "........dammint......yes."

^ One of the reasons I don't get anyhting done sometimes. She knows my weaknesses.

lol... my wife and me watch NCIS too... also we began to watch the LA spin off but it lacks... lacks on so many levels...

and since we have a DVD recorder we always can watch the show when we want it and get rid of the adds too... a big help^^

Abby is hot on somany levels

actually i think you are spot on with abby miss dee^^

I actually think that she looks like an over sized 6 yearold...

*Ducks*

I have been thinking of re-creating Kharn the Betrayer. I want to make him bigger than the standard model. Think True Scale on steroids.

I want to portray him as if he were on the verge of becoming a Daemon Prince. A daemonic looking helmet, lots of spikes growing from his armor, a wicked chainaxe that is more alive than not. Intricate armor, that may or may not have actual skulls fused into the metal.

I want to use one of the possessed marines heads as a base for his head. Here is what I have as a concept so far. Any thoughts?

I'll get to work on his body soon, I hope. Like most things with me, this may take a while.

That's an interesting concept (Kharn on the verge of Daemonhood) and no doubt your interpretation of that idea will be worth the wait.

î like the very idea... how will you do the almost living axe?

what i dont like are the earrrings... really... any look should stay away from things that make it look too busy... a good lady stands in front of her lifesized mirror and rapidly turns her head this way and that way... whatever she sees inbetween those turns in the glimpses at the mirror has to go...now imagine kharn... i bet to go out on a stylish bloodshedding spree he will skip those earrings...

Thanks Skalk!

El Vik, You are right on the earrings. I'm not sure why the original model had those tassle things anyway.

The living axe, I was thinking of taking the chain teeth from a Ork Nob Axe, and making a bigger version of Kharn's axe, and sculpt muscles and bone onto the axe, maybe some evil looking eyes starting out.

And thinking more about the head, I think I might just take the Bunny Ears from the original Kharn head, and add them to the evil grin head. I'll see if it makes it big enough. I may have to sculpt the ears myself.

My Kharn will not be holding a plasma pistol though. It will be holstered at his side. I may give him a second Axe to hold, or he may be holding a dead cadian or something, I don't know yet.

When I'm going to fit in time to do all of this, I don't know.

muscled axe... now that is something i wanna see... your mind must be twisted like a corkscrew^^ how do you come up with such ideas^^

the eye with the axehead tho i think reminds me strongly of the necrotelicomincon




is it too late to tempt you to include a lil kitten to the base?

...Muscled axe.....
...
EPIC

Viktor von Domm wrote:
is it too late to tempt you to include a lil kitten to the base?

I think I can do that. I can't guarantee it will be alive, this is Kharn we are talking about.

i can´t shake off the idea of muscle cars... muscle cars with muscle axes...

.And exhaust pipes with muscles...

..big, fat muscled tires...

Even though you guys are oddly intrigued by the muscle axe idea...

Gorefather; Kharn's axe is suppossed to have the teeth of a "Mica Dragon" whatever that is, so what if as Kharn advances towards Deamonhood, the teeth of the axe actually make the axe begin to take on the appearance of a dragon? Horns, scales, stuff like that? It would still have visible muscles I think, but also patches of scales, a few horns here and there.

I'll think about it.

some kind of teeth or sclaes for the handguard??

Yep.

OK, I haven't worked on the axe yet, but I have the body for Kharn layed out, and the armature almost ready, it will just need some tweeking before I start sculpting.

Here is the head I am going with:


It is a combination of Kharn's bunny ears, and a possessed marine head. I will be adding stuff to the bunny ears, like bigger spikes, and different faces, since these got squished when I took the ears off of Kharn's old head. I might try to make some screaming faces in the blank space of the ears too. I also want to continue the rivets around the head, and sculpt some breathing tubes running into the mouth area.

Here is the body with armature. You can see how tall he is going to be. Going to use and Ork arm as the bare arm holding the axe. I think I'll use a terminator arm for his armored arm, if it's big enough.


He looks kind of goofy right now, but all of the empty space will get filled in, and most likely complely covered. I'm just using the existing armor as filler.

Can't waitto see how he turns out. What are you going to do for the back pack?

I want the backpack to be huge, I guess I'll have to make it from scratch. Or at least a heavily modified standard one.

Cool

This is going to be cool!

Looking promising.

^that...

the bunny ears and the head hopefully get a better connection as well... looks kinda only glued on atm

the armature looks very cool... ork arms a re a good starting point... the only issue i have atm is the base size... definatly use a 40mm one...!


and i think for a scratchbuilt backpack... go take a look at ailaros thread where he is making TS khorne berserkers... there he made some...

Awesome!- The legendary Thumbs up hand appears again! lol

Thanks all!

El Vik, I don't know if I should put him on a 40mm base, since the normal Kharn is on a regular base, i think I should keep him on the smaller one. I am not giving him any different stats, just a different look.

Although, I might make him running, and just have one foot on the base, and it might not look ok then. We'll see.

dsteingass wrote:Awesome!- The legendary Thumbs up hand appears again! lol

Yep! He knows a good thing when he sees it!

hmmm... you could base him on a big peice of slate then...this might help to get the composition of base to model better in line...

i think something needs to be done with the helmet to make the Khorney bits have a more smooth transition to the head, like they are all one. but this looks cool

This is still all very early WIP, there will GS a plenty on it when I'm done.

Vik, a big piece of rock or something on the base might help, I'll keep it mind! Thanks!

Just need to stretch the lower leg guards so they look the right size for a Daemon Prince!

I've been working on it, and I am going to have to re-sculpt the entire thing. I'll try to make it look similar to the original Kharn, but he will look like he is approaching Daemondhood.

It's getting taller and taller though. Taller than I had planned, but it will be cool.....I hope.

At this point, I don't know if the head I have planned will look right. It might be too small.

ooooh cool idea... even if it is chaos lol xxx

Thanks Bubble. We'll convert you yet.

I got some done on the conversion. But first I want to show you the concept sketch for the axe:


And on Kharn, I mostly filled in the gaps and started on the feet:


He looks kind of Goofy at the moment, but please have patience, this is a LONG way from being done, I basically want to sculpt new armor for him from top to bottom. Where the Ork Nob arm is right now, that is where the chest armor will go to, it will be huge! After I get the armor rough sculpted in, I plan to go back and add all sorts of skulls and screaming faces into the armor. There will be LOTS of skulls on chains, and spikes and all things daemonic all over him. I might be able to use this model as a Daemon Prince when I'm done, but mostly I want it to represent Kharn as-is. I guess you can call this a true scale Kharn, as I think he would be much taller than the average Chaos Marine anyway.

However you look at him, this will take a while.

Thanks for stopping by,

RSJake

Gumby!

Pokey!

Well, he still looks goofy, but he's getting there.

Uhhhh...


Hmm.



Well, the bright side of that sculpt "as is" is that no matter what you do next it will be an improvement.

*edit becasue I forgot the and it looked like I was being a jerk*

That is a double slap complement if I ever heard one!

I think it looks like a solid base.
Good job!

Still a long way to go, I know.

The helmet kinda reminds me of marvel's Juggernaught.


It could use a khorne symbol or two i think


Edit : i must add, as a MASSIVE comic book nerd, i approve of the effect a whole lot

I think it needs MOAR RIVETS, but you know that...and you aren't there yet I know...

the model as it looks good... exception is the pose....as this looks too much like an action figure^^

but the head turns out very cool already... and i have noticed the feet...big for that!

and if you can make the axe look half as cool as in the sketch ...awesome!!!!!!!

I think I am actually going to scrap this project. Among other things, I lost the head. Don't know where it could have gone. But I was also not liking how tall it was. I want something just a little bit taller than the actaul model. I shouldbe able to salvage the armor I used for armature, and start over. And if I can't find the head, I'll make a new one.

On a different yet related note, I played my first game of 40k since 1995 Yesterday!!!!

None of my army was done of course, in fact, several of my berzerkers didn't even have arms! But I was able to scrape together 3, 8 man squads of Berzerkers, a squad of Plague Marines that I just got a a present the day before, my half-finished Daemon Prince, the headless model of Kharn that I had left over from my kharn project, and 3 rhinos.

I faced Necrons. I had heard bad things about how shooty they were, and that they could be bad news for Chaos. I was a bit scared. I had some bad rolls, and if the bad rolls had continued, I would have seen a different outcome, I am sure, but by the grace of Khorne, I did in fact win! It was an awesome game! I am so excited to play again! In fact I spent the wee hours of the night last night trying to get another squad of Berzerkers together!

Sorry to hear about losing the head. I will say that the concept was sound (and I still do) but the application seemed to be bugging you. Glad to see you moving on to somehting else. This can always be revisited.

Congrads on the win! But dude, stop playing for 2 weeks and forget everything you just learned. 6th Ed is here in just a few days and you don't want to pollute your brain with the old edition by playing it right before you get to 6th ed.

No worries, I already forgot all of the rules I did learn.

I forgot how many time you have to roll dice!

I had to borrow dice, but I just bought some. I'll be set for next time!

I hope some of the 'complaints' I've read about 6th Ed. are true, because I'm looking forward to mixing things up again.

Complaints?

Subbed, I wanna see where this guy goes

its really taking shape now looking good!! subd!

"I'll finish it later"- you're allowed to use that too

RSJake wrote:Complaints?

Yeah, nerdrage abounds on many different forums, not just Dakka. So far all they are doing is helping me build my next Plague Marine army. Muahhaa!