Those flak cannons look really good, and so do the not-daemonettes.

I just ordered up 3 off the flak cannon platforms to make some psyfleman dreads. Eagrly awaiting those.

I did notice 2 things though while going through the order process.

1. On the billing/shipping info,,, you do not have a blank for the state. I stuck the state abbreviiation after my city. I also have my address in the paypal info I sent you.

2. When it was time to choose the shipping method, it listed the shipping price as $2.14 but when I clicked that and went to the next page it was $5.66. Not really a huge thing and very reasonable considering it is coming from europe but I mam wondering what the difference is.

ok.. lets mak this 3. When I hit the paypal button it took me to a paypal homepage in I want to say was polish... It wasn't hard to fugure out where the log in info went but there was alot of chanting of "please be in english" when I clicked the button to enter my sign info... which it was.

Just a few things to consider for your international customers. From the pics I have seen, you guys do some great work. I will be awaiting my stuff to see it in person.

Just got my flak cannons... sweet!

Sweet! Liking those female demons.

Tomash wrote:
Edit: a small preview. There will be some wings and tails for these beauties, we're also thinking abouts "bits packs" with alternative weapons/arms.

I like your naughty ladies, very nice sculpt. Weapons might benefit from being a tad towards heroic scaled.

Actually I wonder if you can do head variants, from the 3up do two heads, one daemonette/succubus, one elven/human. I cannot see anythin on the minis other than 'twilek' hairstyles that hints that they are not witch elves. If the wings are seperable and the sculpts offering two head types per pose then this kit would gain a lot of versatility.

Succubi, daemonettes, chaos cultists, witch elves, dark eldar wyches, Cryxian Blood witches the list goes on.

Fallen668 wrote:I did notice 2 things though while going through the order process.

Thanks for the bug report, I'll investigate these and hopefully remove. I think the shipping-cost fallacy is already done (last week I was squashing this exact bug, but there might be some leftover). But the language-paypal and page info stuff need some love, agreed.

Orlanth wrote:Actually I wonder if you can do head variants, from the 3up do two heads, one daemonette/succubus, one elven/human. I cannot see anythin on the minis other than 'twilek' hairstyles that hints that they are not witch elves. If the wings are seperable and the sculpts offering two head types per pose then this kit would gain a lot of versatility.

Succubi, daemonettes, chaos cultists, witch elves, dark eldar wyches, Cryxian Blood witches the list goes on.

Mind reader, like I wrote before we're going to use these female daemons as sort of "base" with a few different head and arm swaps in the future.

Does anyone know if Bitspudlo is still in business? I placed an order with them over a month ago and still have not seen a package. They go for long periods without responding to e-mails.
Now I can't even find the site! Anyone know what's happening?

Homenutt wrote:Does anyone know if Bitspudlo is still in business? I placed an order with them over a month ago and still have not seen a package. They go for long periods without responding to e-mails.
Now I can't even find the site! Anyone know what's happening?

www.bitspudlo.com

It took about 4 weeks from order to delivery on my last order, but they did recently move into a new physical location so I expected delays. Sometimes stuff from Poland seems to arrive quickly to the US, other times, not so much.

Tomash wrote:Whoa, new demonettes / succubi completely blew my mind. I'll post a few pictures as soon as we get them from the sculptor (tuesday-wednesday), should appear in our offer in ~2 weeks

4 completely awesome poses. Sexy, dangerous and demonic.


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WHOA!

These must be one of the best 25mm figures I've ever seen - really proportionate and sexy!

Homenutt wrote:Does anyone know if Bitspudlo is still in business? I placed an order with them over a month ago and still have not seen a package. They go for long periods without responding to e-mails.
Now I can't even find the site! Anyone know what's happening?

Yes we are. I'm sorry for poor responsiveness to emails, I'm checking the spam folder -- maybe yours has landed there.

Month-long delay is not acceptable, maybe your order was lost and we need to re-send it :(

As a point of comparison---when I had a question about my order---I received a reply in 4 hours with all of the information I requested. I've had zero issues with communication and ordering. That certainly doesn't invalidate your experience---but I imagine it's a spam/mistake/exception rather than the rule.

Hmm those work real well for deathcult assassins too maybe. Ive been looking for any decent female models in plastic. Only other option are DE wyches

They tend to take a while, but the stuff is more than worth the wait!

One thing I'd really like to see would be the heavy cannon available in a vertically double stacked variety, like you might see on the side of a.... robot. Such a kit would not include the bottom mounting plate or the centered targetting bit. You could get the existing kit and shave down one of them to do it yourself, but it seems like a simple mod to add to the store for more variety in your... robot arms.

Those deamonettes would benefit from alternate heads so much. As has been noted, there are a ton of options they can be. Personally, I want them for Death Cult and to make an amazon Blood Bowl team

Kirasu wrote:Hmm those work real well for deathcult assassins too maybe.

Yes! Yet another mind-reader! Just give us some time to send first casts to the sculptor so he can sculpt some tight bodygloves on them

Darkness wrote:Those deamonettes would benefit from alternate heads so much. As has been noted, there are a ton of options they can be. Personally, I want them for Death Cult and to make an amazon Blood Bowl team

Alternate heads are in the making (and so are alternate arms). As for assassins -- see above

Ouze wrote:One thing I'd really like to see would be the heavy cannon available in a vertically double stacked variety, like you might see on the side of a.... robot.

Together with the gatling cannon and double laser cannon -- yes, a "side mounting for a robot arm" is in late concept stage

These TWolves look great! They look like the one on the cover of "The Battle of the Fang" book!

Tony Malave
http://chicagokamikazes.blogspot.com/

Tomash wrote:

Homenutt wrote:Does anyone know if Bitspudlo is still in business? I placed an order with them over a month ago and still have not seen a package. They go for long periods without responding to e-mails.
Now I can't even find the site! Anyone know what's happening?

Yes we are. I'm sorry for poor responsiveness to emails, I'm checking the spam folder -- maybe yours has landed there.

Month-long delay is not acceptable, maybe your order was lost and we need to re-send it :(

How long does it generally take for you to respond to e-mails? I ask because I've been attempting to inquire about the status of an order as well.

I did recently receive an e-mail but I placed my order way over a month ago and still have not seen anything.
This is the first time I have placed an order and am very disappointed with the outcome thus far.

I've ordered some stuff and paid via Paypal about 3 weeks ago and have heard nothing either. I tried to email too, but no reply either.

So I opened a dispute on Paypal, with the hopes that they'll reply to that.
If not, well, then atleast I have a chance to get my money back.

Tomash, any idea when the next restock will be? Want to order a couple of Flak Cannon Platforms but there is only one in stock and I'd prefer to do the whole order at once.

Spiky Norman wrote:I've ordered some stuff and paid via Paypal about 3 weeks ago and have heard nothing either. I tried to email too, but no reply either.

So I opened a dispute on Paypal, with the hopes that they'll reply to that.
If not, well, then atleast I have a chance to get my money back.

It took nearly a month for my order to show as shipped, even though the stuff I bought all showed as having stock.

These guys are very slow to ship.

I was notified my two orders were shipped on May 29, I haven't received them yet, but it has only been 3 weeks, so I am not worried yet.

As far as emails, I have been more than satisfied with the responses I have received. We have exchanged multiple emails regarding future ideas for bits. Including 'robot arms' and tank sponsons.

Stinks of BAD Business.

I don't think I will order ever again.

I hate when these small companies you try and support just screw you around!

Homenutt wrote:Stinks of BAD Business.

I don't think I will order ever again.

I hate when these small companies you try and support just screw you around!

Seems a bit harsh, remember, these are coming from Poland, it's not a quick ship time and usually averages 2-3 weeks for a normal order in my experience. He also responded to you in this thread a few posts above in case you missed it.

Tomash wrote:

Homenutt wrote:Does anyone know if Bitspudlo is still in business? I placed an order with them over a month ago and still have not seen a package. They go for long periods without responding to e-mails.
Now I can't even find the site! Anyone know what's happening?

Yes we are. I'm sorry for poor responsiveness to emails, I'm checking the spam folder -- maybe yours has landed there.

Month-long delay is not acceptable, maybe your order was lost and we need to re-send it :(

It can take a while guys, over a month for each of my orders as well.

BUT -

I can promise you that each has arrived, fully intact with great pieces and casting. It is frustrating to wait sometimes if the project is just missing that, but there are no incidents in this thread of any problems not being resolved.

Don't jump the gun and paint them as a Bad Business just yet, give them a little time and they will make sure to take care of you.

*Note* MajorTom11 is not endorsed, sponsored or in any way affiliated with Bitspludo -

Just being honest! Hope that puts a few of you waiting at ease, or at least helps summon up a bit more patience!

Wow, some strong words here.

After thursday we haven't left any email unanswered, tomorrow I'll go through all the emails from last month (and through the spam folder) to resolve any outstanding issues.

If anyone hasn't received their order yet, please contact me (preferably via email) -- we have a backlog not larger than orders 2 weeks old, so if something hasn't reached you within 3-4 weeks since ordering, it could've been lost and we will re-send it (we need 28 days since shipping to file a complaint and get the money back from post office, though).

(after a quick check: we have some orders with thermic guns, heavy cannon & twin-flamer platforms that wait a bit longer, as these molds broke down and the new ones are curing now, so these will be re-sent in the upcoming week, sometime around thursday probably)

Tomash wrote:
Edit: a small preview. There will be some wings and tails for these beauties, we're also thinking abouts "bits packs" with alternative weapons/arms.

Those are some great minis. Wings, tails, and bits packs for them are excellent ideas. After coming from the "GW/Women/they can't model for gak" thread seeing these restores my faith in sculpting.

- MightyG

Tomash wrote:
Mind reader, like I wrote before we're going to use these female daemons as sort of "base" with a few different head and arm swaps in the future.

Ordered my Flak Cannons today, can not wait til the "Female Assassin" version is out on these to make the next order.

BrookM wrote:Just checked the €-- prizes. FETH ME those guns are cheap. And they also have tracked assemblies for the guns:

MajorTom11 wrote:Don't go bashing the Polish again BrookM (sorry about that last time btw, in case I never said it lol)

No worries, no harm done, I just hope nobody PM's me about it again telling me that they've "put their mod on it", where's DOOMFART when you need them?!

or explosive tankettes.... look up "goliath tankette"


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Checked this company out..... theyve got 0 stock of 97% of their stuff.... statistic is made up, but damn near everything I clicked at is out of stock.

dont like this....

Victim of their own success... anyhoo, guys buy if you want, don't buy if you don't want, completely up to you.

I however do not want this thread turning into a disgruntled handful derailing the entire process for a few bad (but eventually resolved) experiences. If you have questions/grievances, please bring them up with Tomash via PM first, this is not their customer service board.

I do not think Tomash has been shy to say they have grown quickly and are struggling to meet demand, and get things cast and out in a timely fashion. He has also said he is working hard to resolve it. Let's give them a few more months to grow into their new company reality, and show a little patience and support if we do indeed appreciate their product.

Don't get me wrong here I like what Bitspudlo produces.

When I place an order with Maxmini I receive the items exactly 14 days later. They state on the site that it might take that long.

I placed an order on 05/05/11 and the items were supposed to be shipped 06/06/11, why?

That's my problem plus the fact that I still have not received the shipment.

Sorry guys for turning this into a rant about BAD Service. I just thought they might have gone out of business.

- Removed by insaniak. Let's not side-track Tomash's thread with another company's dramas, please. -

I hope they don't go out of business and that its just startup issues or problems with casting/materials etc, and not some two-timing douchebag they thought they could trust.

I received a response from Tomash today and I just wanted to share that fact. Hopefully he'll be able to help the rest of you having difficulties as well, and thanks again Tomash =)

poda_t wrote:


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Checked this company out..... theyve got 0 stock of 97% of their stuff.... statistic is made up, but damn near everything I clicked at is out of stock.

dont like this....

Not sure what you're looking at. Their custom bits company is the bitsbox.eu part, and everything except Thermic Guns seems to have stock.

poda_t wrote:I hope they don't go out of business and that its just startup issues or problems with casting/materials etc, and not some two-timing douchebag they thought they could trust.

We wouldn't introduce new products and regularly respond in this thread if Bitspudlo was a scam, don't you think?

Now back to emails and then for some saturday casting spree.

Ordered GW parts and resin kits through these guys a couple of times. Sure it took a while but they arrived and the quality was first class. It seems delays atm are nothing new, currently I have outstanding orders (ie month ++) from Maelstrom, Antenociti, Quantum Gothic, Forge World, numerous reputable "American" ebay traders etc... In these guys case its what invaribly happens when small companies get "outed" on the boards the www masses.

Patience is the word and the time staff waste replying to people consistently pestering them about order status is time that could be spent actually organising it.

I received my order today. All looks good except the hounds are tiny. Over a month is too long to wait on an order. Maybe some kind of express mail option would help this not happen.

Has the re-launch occurred?

As of today, I see most of the bitzbox.eu stuff (that is, their proprietary sculpts and casts) as in stock and available.

I believe Bitspudlo is a two-man operation, and they've recently enjoyed a bit of an explosion of interest in their products. So cut them a little slack. If you've got a problem with an order and haven't had a response to a direct email, then I'm sure Tomash wouldn't object to a PM here on Dakka, as he's obviously on the forum fairly regularly.

My own experience with Bitspudlo has been nothing but positive.

R.

Homenutt wrote:I received my order today. All looks good except the hounds are tiny. Over a month is too long to wait on an order. Maybe some kind of express mail option would help this not happen.

Most of the time our post manages to deliver in under two weeks from shipping but time to time ( ~1-2% of orders ) they get slowed down somewhere on the way or are lost. I hope that we can soon have enough orders to send abroad that we will be able to get some good prices from ups or other service.

Tomash wrote:Whoa, new demonettes / succubi completely blew my mind. I'll post a few pictures as soon as we get them from the sculptor (tuesday-wednesday), should appear in our offer in ~2 weeks

4 completely awesome poses. Sexy, dangerous and demonic.


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Like. Since you brought up alt packs...Any thought of alt heads or seperate heads?

Sheck2 wrote:

Like. Since you brought up alt packs...Any thought of alt heads or seperate heads?

Sure thing. Person who did the magnificent work of creating these babes is already thinking how to make some 'modyfications' we asked him for.

By the way, we gave our stuff to some proffesional mini painters to make them look better on our site than bare resin casts and here are first results.

Homenutt wrote: Over a month is too long to wait on an order. Maybe some kind of express mail option would help this not happen.

When you're shipping stuff halfway around the world, some potential delay should be expected.

International shipping times of 4 to 5 weeks are not at all unusual. Annoying, certainly, particularly because it can be extremely inconsistent (I once posted a replacement parcel to a customer in the US after their original had not arrived after 4 weeks. Both parcels arrived on the same day, 5 days later.) but it's just one of those things that you have to accept if you're buying internationally.

Express shipping can sometimes be an option, but for any sort of guaranteed express it can be prohibitively expensive, particularly on smaller orders.

Nah, there's no point in blaming the post office. Our shipping delays stemmed from still-not-as-high-as-we-would-like production speed. But it seems we're almost there and starting next week all orders should be dispatched within a week.

Excellent, cause my next project looms and those turrets are a calling....

Don't forget that Customs departments can delay shipments unpredictably too.

Back on topic, i love those new reptilian heads. Any chance of doing them in other sizes? - I was thinking they could make great alternate Tyranid heads...

Clang wrote:Any chance of doing them in other sizes? - I was thinking they could make great alternate Tyranid heads...

We haven't thought about it, so it's not in the nearest plans. But worth considering.

I want some of those daemonettes... oh yes.

winterdyne wrote:I want some of those daemonettes... oh yes.

You can get them very soon. We are waiting now for the pictures of painted models and will add them to our site around Tuesday-Wednesday. First wave will be small though ( 10-12 sets ) so stay sharp

Any teasers for the next project?

SickSix wrote:Any teasers for the next project?

Another 'something that is not' is closer and closer. I hope to get some final details this week.
Next in line will be something for orks

Painting our demon babes is taking a bit longer than we expected but its 95% done and here is small preview



Plus I'll add our 60mm and 40mm bases to our offer in next 15min.

Homenutt wrote:Over a month is too long to wait on an order. Maybe some kind of express mail option would help this not happen.

Us Americans are spoiled by our more consistent mail service. I've waited over a month for things I've ordered from the UK. Not every national postal service offers express international mail or dispatches regularly enough and unless Bitspudlo negotiates with FedEx or UPS it tends to cost ~$25 to ship an small to average package by express carriers.

Just had my FLGS put in an order from these guys, I'm looking forwad to seeing the product when it arrives....

RE postage: My wife informed me that my orders arrived sometime last week. So it was right at a month from Poland to Florida.

Also, with more and more people receiving orders, it be great to see some more pictures put up of painted conversions and such using Bitspudlo pieces.

(I plan to take plenty of unboxing and WIP pictures as soon as I return home this weekend)

Dronze wrote:Just had my FLGS put in an order from these guys, I'm looking forwad to seeing the product when it arrives....

Have they asked us for a retailer offer? Because we offer pretty sweet retailer discounts for stores that'd like to sell our products

Tomash wrote:

Dronze wrote:Just had my FLGS put in an order from these guys, I'm looking forwad to seeing the product when it arrives....

Have they asked us for a retailer offer? Because we offer pretty sweet retailer discounts for stores that'd like to sell our products

Whats the best way for a retailer to contact you? I'd like to pass the details onto my FLGS

ironicsilence wrote:

Tomash wrote:

Dronze wrote:Just had my FLGS put in an order from these guys, I'm looking forwad to seeing the product when it arrives....

Have they asked us for a retailer offer? Because we offer pretty sweet retailer discounts for stores that'd like to sell our products

Whats the best way for a retailer to contact you? I'd like to pass the details onto my FLGS

He can just send us and email to bitspudlo@bitspudlo.com and we will take it from there.

Tomash wrote:

Dronze wrote:Just had my FLGS put in an order from these guys, I'm looking forwad to seeing the product when it arrives....

Have they asked us for a retailer offer? Because we offer pretty sweet retailer discounts for stores that'd like to sell our products

I'll have to let him know about that one. He wanted to order a few things for the store, but had other financial obligations to cover first. If you could PM me the relevant info, I can certainly pass it along and see if he wants to set something up.

Edit: NVM... ninja'd.... I'll have him do that.

And they are finally here!

http://bitspudlo.com/products/daemons-of-pleasure-4



We have only 10 sets for now so we will add individual models to our offer next week.

As I had a problem with finding best and not obvious name for these models I have a small competition for you. Whoever can come up with a name that we will use on our site will get set of these beauties.
Please send your ideas to our email: bitspudlo@bitspudlo.com. We are waiting for them till next Friday.

Finally! Our first human-sized models. I hope you like them. The painting really does these girls justice

Any hints as to when the extra heads and arms will be done?

I am really digging these.

So I ordered to sets of the Autocannon turrets and they arrived today. The castings are clean and straight and that makes me very happy. I did was sent a shipped email, so I knew to keep an eye out for them. All in all a good experience. Thanks guys.

-K

Hekal Xul wrote:Ordered GW parts and resin kits through these guys a couple of times. Sure it took a while but they arrived and the quality was first class. It seems delays atm are nothing new, currently I have outstanding orders (ie month ++) from Maelstrom, Antenociti, Quantum Gothic, Forge World, numerous reputable "American" ebay traders etc... In these guys case its what invaribly happens when small companies get "outed" on the boards the www masses.
Patience is the word and the time staff waste replying to people consistently pestering them about order status is time that could be spent actually organising it.

Then again, if people are willing to take my money in a timely manner they also have an obligation to supply me with the goods in a timely manner. It's one reason I do get a fair bit of stuff off eBay - buyer protection. Once we start getting overboard on time, it's time for a PayPal dispute. Things magically tend to appear when you do that and people who don't reply to your emails suddenly start becoming much more communicative.

(Disclaimer) I've had no personal experience with Bitspudlo, and their stuff looks nice.

Vain wrote:Any hints as to when the extra heads and arms will be done?

Probably late july or august. We want to test the waters, see how these girls sell.

So I assembled a Gatling cannon turret today. And I am slightly disappointed how much work it took to clean up the pieces. However, I still think it looks cool. Check out my gallery for WIP pictures. I will probably assemble the twin flamer turret tomorrow if I have time.

I bought the hydra flak guns from bitspudle and they look kind of short... not happy

SonsofVulkan wrote:I bought the hydra flak guns from bitspudle and they look kind of short... not happy

It sucks your not happy with them, however, I believe those pieces were more intended to be put on walking metal boxes rather than as an actual hydra. I believe Maxmini has an actual hydra turret with longer barrels and all. You might want to check them out.

SickSix wrote:

SonsofVulkan wrote:I bought the hydra flak guns from bitspudle and they look kind of short... not happy

It sucks your not happy with them, however, I believe those pieces were more intended to be put on walking metal boxes rather than as an actual hydra. I believe Maxmini has an actual hydra turret with longer barrels and all. You might want to check them out.

Yea, if you look each side looks remarkably like a dread's arm, but upside down. The scale here can be deduced by the plate it's mounted on in the photo, which coincidentally! fits into the rhino rear hatch area

I've got the maxmini flak cannons, and they're excellent (and much larger, far too large for a dread).

SonsofVulkan wrote:I bought the hydra flak guns from bitspudle and they look kind of short... not happy

Yes, it sucks you are not happy. You can always send them back if they are not yet painted or glued and get refund without problems.
I'll add information about the barrels lenght to avoid that kind of mistakes in the future.

And yes, they weren't intended to be used on hydras. I think that price could be a hint that they are small in comparision

the deamon ladies dont look like they have been finished, like the dolly with limited effort spent on them.

Battlecannon it phil wrote:the deamon ladies dont look like they have been finished, like the dolly with limited effort spent on them.

Seriously? Did you see the picture of them painted at the top of the page? Please be more specific in your criticism because I'm missing the 'lack of effort' you are implying.

For what it's worth, I also think they look like they're missing that final touch. It might just be the photo, but they have a sort of smooth, undetailed look to them that I'm not a fan of-- compared, for instance, to the Diaz Dæmonettes, they look rather unfinished to me. It may just be a different æsthetic that's the aim here, but I for one don't like it so much.

Might be the obvious lack of crab arms

You could also look at it from th eopposite perspective, that the lack of "detail" allows for more customisation on your part to make them as slaaneshi as you like, like cool tattos etc..... besides ggoing too slaaneshi may infringe on IP and bring the wrath of GW upon them.

I personally prefer plainer models so that I can ad my own touches to them. Besides if they are a bit plain, then the converted ones stand out more as unit champs etc

I would get them but I do not run chaos armies, and the wife might have a few things to say about naked lady mini's laying around the house

Fetterkey wrote:For what it's worth, I also think they look like they're missing that final touch. It might just be the photo, but they have a sort of smooth, undetailed look to them that I'm not a fan of-- compared, for instance, to the Diaz Dæmonettes, they look rather unfinished to me. It may just be a different æsthetic that's the aim here, but I for one don't like it so much.

That's an interesting opinion, I haven't looked at them this way -- but then, maybe their, hmm, curvatures just distracted me

Anyone know the comparable size of the Kromlech models on the site? I not talking mm size, but if its like terminator size or servitor.

http://bitspudlo.com/t/category/222-kromlech

It might be better asked, and receive a quicker answer?, in the Kromlech thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/291012.page

The Main Man at Kromlech posts over there frequently...

Well if I use the autocannons for psyfledreads.... arent they alittle too small/short too?


Edit: Nvm they are perfect size for dreads. I will just have to open up the hole alittle more and use some green stuff.

Byte wrote:Anyone know the comparable size of the Kromlech models on the site? I not talking mm size, but if its like terminator size or servitor.
http://bitspudlo.com/t/category/222-kromlech

Artur is a huge fan of Orks (as you can probably deduce from Kromlech range) and these sets are made to fit Ork-like models.

Tomash wrote:

Byte wrote:Anyone know the comparable size of the Kromlech models on the site? I not talking mm size, but if its like terminator size or servitor.
http://bitspudlo.com/t/category/222-kromlech

Artur is a huge fan of Orks (as you can probably deduce from Kromlech range) and these sets are made to fit Ork-like models.

Thanks.

Since I ordered a couple of sets of the Flak Cannon turrets to convert into Dreadnought arms, I decided to take pics for comparison to the Forgeworld arm for our local forum goers who were looking for the same. The size compares quite well to the "official" model, they're only slightly shorter. Definitely happy with them.

Fetterkey wrote:For what it's worth, I also think they look like they're missing that final touch. It might just be the photo, but they have a sort of smooth, undetailed look to them that I'm not a fan of-- compared, for instance, to the Diaz Dæmonettes, they look rather unfinished to me. It may just be a different æsthetic that's the aim here, but I for one don't like it so much.

I don't see the 'lack' of detail as a problem. There are plenty of relatively undetailed miniatures out there that still rock. The problem is more that the poses are a little stiff and lifeless. While miniatures are obviously by their nature going to be motionless, there's an art to posing that makes all the difference between 'captured in motion' and 'static'... wnd these ladies unfortunately fall into the latter category.

Detail wise, they're definitely passable for what they are. They just miss the 'wow' factor.

That being said, I'm just going by the pictures, which can sometimes be a little less than flattering of a miniature.

derek wrote:Since I ordered a couple of sets of the Flak Cannon turrets to convert into Dreadnought arms, I decided to take pics for comparison to the Forgeworld arm for our local forum goers who were looking for the same. The size compares quite well to the "official" model, they're only slightly shorter. Definitely happy with them.

Awesome! Thanks for doing that. They look great. I can't wait to get mine.

derek wrote:Since I ordered a couple of sets of the Flak Cannon turrets to convert into Dreadnought arms, I decided to take pics for comparison to the Forgeworld arm for our local forum goers who were looking for the same. The size compares quite well to the "official" model, they're only slightly shorter. Definitely happy with them.

Did you glue the bitspudle arms or can they still rotate?

Any idea when the Flack cannon platform will be back in stock. I very much need atleast 2 of these to make Psyfledreads.

Arrathon wrote:Any idea when the Flack cannon platform will be back in stock. I very much need atleast 2 of these to make Psyfledreads.

Hopefully around end of next week. We have some problems with casting them that need to be solved first.

Understood, could you send me a pm or such and let me know when, I'll gladly throw my money at you lol.

derek wrote:Since I ordered a couple of sets of the Flak Cannon turrets to convert into Dreadnought arms, I decided to take pics for comparison to the Forgeworld arm for our local forum goers who were looking for the same. The size compares quite well to the "official" model, they're only slightly shorter. Definitely happy with them.

Thanks!

I much prefer those to the FW. The rounded ammo hoppers seem too smooth on the left arm.

Arrathon wrote:Understood, could you send me a pm or such and let me know when, I'll gladly throw my money at you lol.

Sure thing. I will surely post here any update we will have.

I'm also tracking this for the Psyfleman arms. I'd rather not have to scratch build the arms from a dozen old metal IG autocannons and a half ounce of green stuff for 'Ard Boyz in 5 weeks!

SonsofVulkan wrote:

Did you glue the bitspudle arms or can they still rotate?

I never glue my Dreadnought arms, they can still rotate.

Thought I would share pictures of the Bitspudlo jumppacks I bought. This is obviously a WIP marine.




Some of the packs do have some bubbles but I think they will all be usable. I like the style, and even my wife prefers them over the new style jump packs!

Looking good! The photo from the back makes the jump pack look incredibly bulky -- it's not. MaxMini heads make your marines look incredibly mean, are they excommunicate or just kind of grim style loyalists?

I'm waiting for the painted miniatures.

As for the bubbles: these packs are basically a b*tch to cast. We'll be reworking the design a bit that'll make them easier to cast (and increase our good/bad casts ratio, at the moment the packs have the highest of our entire range).

still fancy a few backpacks/ "daemonettes" even with a couple of bubbles!

Will have to order some soon!

Tomash wrote:Looking good! The photo from the back makes the jump pack look incredibly bulky -- it's not. MaxMini heads make your marines look incredibly mean, are they excommunicate or just kind of grim style loyalists?

No you are right the packs are not overly large or really anymore bulky than the GW ones, they just sit low on the Marines. I am doing a Silver Skulls army. So grim loyalists it is.

I'm waiting for the painted miniatures.

Thanks, me too. I am concentrating more on assembly right now, trying to get everything together before an August tournament. (I've put my Tau on early retirement for now)

As for the bubbles: these packs are basically a b*tch to cast. We'll be reworking the design a bit that'll make them easier to cast (and increase our good/bad casts ratio, at the moment the packs have the highest of our entire range).

I believe you but just wanted to be honest. I still like them. I think I will be mixing new and old packs among the assault troopers. Being they are a current timeline army, but have been around since the Second Founding. So they would still have some old equipment in their armory.

Hello guys! Just got my flak cannons and heavy cannon turrets in the mail today! I like the new plastic pack you put the pieces in. I will start working on them very soon!

Also it seems I am an unofficial PR rep for you guys! lol I keep getting PMs about you! It seems you can't keep enough of certain parts (flak cannons) on the shelves. They are very popular!

I'm waiting to put in an order for those too, and a few of the "heavy cannon" platforms

SickSix wrote:Hello guys! Just got my flak cannons and heavy cannon turrets in the mail today! I like the new plastic pack you put the pieces in. I will start working on them very soon!

Post pics of painted!

SickSix wrote:Also it seems I am an unofficial PR rep for you guys! lol I keep getting PMs about you! It seems you can't keep enough of certain parts (flak cannons) on the shelves. They are very popular!

Monday will see a nice, fat restock. We've been working on improving the quality of our casts (bubbles are bad, mmkay) and it gave a pretty impressive results.

We'll think of some way to thank you for being our unofficial PR representative

Whatever happened to the name the lady demons competition?

Looks like i'm getting Gatling Cannon's and 2 of the flak turrets when there back in stock for a razorback and some dreads

I did a quick little search of the forums with no luck, so here I go.

Has anyone found a way to easily convert these turrets to fit the existing Razorback chassis? It looks like these turrets have a much smaller mount, and I don't know if I really want to go about tearing up tanks trying to get these to fit.

Anyone bought a couple of these from the site? I'm interested in getting 2 to Australia but the site doesn't show postage - you have to go through the cart and you can't do a dummy order without making an account or giving them your email.

Dorksim wrote:Has anyone found a way to easily convert these turrets to fit the existing Razorback chassis? It looks like these turrets have a much smaller mount, and I don't know if I really want to go about tearing up tanks trying to get these to fit.

One link instead of thousand words
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/341067.page#2350434

scipio.au wrote:Anyone bought a couple of these from the site? I'm interested in getting 2 to Australia but the site doesn't show postage - you have to go through the cart and you can't do adummy order without making an account or giving them your email.

Good point, I'll update the site's info (we'll be moving to weight-depending postace costs, though).
Anyway worldwide shipping is 21 PLN, which means about $7.70.

Tomash wrote:

Dorksim wrote:Has anyone found a way to easily convert these turrets to fit the existing Razorback chassis? It looks like these turrets have a much smaller mount, and I don't know if I really want to go about tearing up tanks trying to get these to fit.

One link instead of thousand words
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/341067.page#2350434
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I guess I should have been more specific. I was trying to figure out how to make it fit the Razorback turrent mount.

But... what for? Every gun platform set includes flat "floor" piece that happens to perfectly match the dimensions required to fit into rectangular hole on top of rhino chassis.

Now, if you'd like to have it fit the circular hole within the piece you've posted, that's a bit more complicated. But not too much, as the gun "holder" also uses a cylindric part to fit into the "floor" piece.

Would you like a top-down (same perspective as the plastic GW piece you've posted above) photo of the "floor" piece?

Possibly because they are already built? Hence why I implied that I did not want to start pulling pieces off of them.

I am sure someone has made this conversion before...

Dorksim wrote:Possibly because they are already built? Hence why I implied that I did not want to start pulling pieces off of them.

I am sure someone has made this conversion before...

I'd recommend removing your razor hatch you already have attached, providing you didn't overglue it, it should be fairly easy. This lets you swap the vehicle from rhino - razor anyways, which is useful.

If not, lets see the top down pictures of the cylindrical piece you mentioned Tomash, and maybe the conversion (if any is necessary) is fairly easy to see?

targetawg wrote:

Dorksim wrote:Possibly because they are already built? Hence why I implied that I did not want to start pulling pieces off of them.

I am sure someone has made this conversion before...

I'd recommend removing your razor hatch you already have attached, providing you didn't overglue it, it should be fairly easy. This lets you swap the vehicle from rhino - razor anyways, which is useful.

If not, lets see the top down pictures of the cylindrical piece you mentioned Tomash, and maybe the conversion (if any is necessary) is fairly easy to see?

Well, I already tried to do that once, and the hatch came off in about 4 seperate pieces....

Dorksim wrote:

targetawg wrote:

Dorksim wrote:Possibly because they are already built? Hence why I implied that I did not want to start pulling pieces off of them.

I am sure someone has made this conversion before...

I'd recommend removing your razor hatch you already have attached, providing you didn't overglue it, it should be fairly easy. This lets you swap the vehicle from rhino - razor anyways, which is useful.

If not, lets see the top down pictures of the cylindrical piece you mentioned Tomash, and maybe the conversion (if any is necessary) is fairly easy to see?

Well, I already tried to do that once, and the hatch came off in about 4 seperate pieces....

yowch, sounds like too much super glue, or you used plastic glue/cement, which fuses the two pieces together. If that's the case then yea, a new solution is in order for you...

Aye, pretty sure that some of these have been put together with GW plastic glue, so I am having a bit of a time trying to decide if I want to try and reconfigure all my vehicles and put in a $100 order for these turrets, or not :(

I've had to tear all of mine apart to get them into razorbacks, and while a bit of a pain, it's definately worth it in the long run.

Got my flak cannon and dozer blades on the way. YIPPEE!

I don't think that is a possibility. Some of these seem to be glued on real good.

Hmm, must be something. So close to plunking down some serious cash on this. I dunno, I figured this would have been forseen by the company and special little mounts made to fit preexisting Razorbacks

Well Tomash does seem to have something for you as far as getting them to fit. Just have to wait for him to check on the board again.

Just give me some time, I should be able to make a quick photo of the plate today, so you'll get an idea what would need to be done to fit existing plastic razorbacks.

You know, it's just an accident that our turrets fit GW Rhino-based tanks

You could just cut out a plasticard disc with a hole in the middle for the new turret base.

Tomash wrote:Just give me some time, I should be able to make a quick photo of the plate today, so you'll get an idea what would need to be done to fit existing plastic razorbacks.

You know, it's just an accident that our turrets fit GW Rhino-based tanks

Thanks, it would be much appreciated. And I don't want to sound like I am slandering your company, because I am not. I think what your making is good stuff!

I am just implying it would have been a shame if you were able to come up with some sort of option for your turret to fit into a complete looking mount that can simply fit into the Razorback hatch hole. Ya know, for us blokes that have other Razorback turrets and are just looking to compliment their existing collection

Have you guys thought about making turrets that can fit on top of the Rhino top doors? I was about to buy a bunch of Rhinos and use your turrets for them, but all the top doors were securely glued so I passed :( Having turrets that fit flush, on top of the doors as opposed to replacing them would make magnetizing really easy, and anyone with a Rhino with a glued hatch would love them.

nectarprime wrote:Have you guys thought about making turrets that can fit on top of the Rhino top doors? I was about to buy a bunch of Rhinos and use your turrets for them, but all the top doors were securely glued so I passed :( Having turrets that fit flush, on top of the doors as opposed to replacing them would make magnetizing really easy, and anyone with a Rhino with a glued hatch would love them.

Are you talking about something similar to the Sisters' rhino top piece? Because those are some pretty awesome pieces, and a similar stand-in would be pretty awesome if it were affordable.

I don't want to be spoil sport but asking a small casting company to make pieces for every single conceivable vehicle configuration gamers might have seems a little unreasonable. With just a little thinking, and minor converting, every single issue you guys have raised could be solved.

Zefig wrote:

nectarprime wrote:Have you guys thought about making turrets that can fit on top of the Rhino top doors? I was about to buy a bunch of Rhinos and use your turrets for them, but all the top doors were securely glued so I passed :( Having turrets that fit flush, on top of the doors as opposed to replacing them would make magnetizing really easy, and anyone with a Rhino with a glued hatch would love them.

Are you talking about something similar to the Sisters' rhino top piece? Because those are some pretty awesome pieces, and a similar stand-in would be pretty awesome if it were affordable.

No, just a turret that makes a Rhino into a Razorback, but fits ON TOP of the Rhino top hatch, not replacing it like usual.

The hatches that they provide do look flat, I cant see how it would be an issues just to insert a couple magnets flush into the top of a Rhino hatch and work it that way.

Tomash wrote:

scipio.au wrote:Anyone bought a couple of these from the site? I'm interested in getting 2 to Australia but the site doesn't show postage - you have to go through the cart and you can't do adummy order without making an account or giving them your email.

Good point, I'll update the site's info (we'll be moving to weight-depending postace costs, though).
Anyway worldwide shipping is 21 PLN, which means about $7.70.

Yep - the site definately needs to be updated. As I was going through the checkout process, I was asked to select from 1 shipping option:

Shipping Method
zone 3 flat rate $2.99

To find that the shipping rate is actually more than double when you get to the next step is the kind of thing that will lose you sales when people are just buying an item or two that costs $14

I bought 2 sets anyway since you were able to tell me the shipping costs in advance, so it's a FYI and not a FU.

cheers

scipio.au wrote:Yep - the site definately needs to be updated. As I was going through the checkout process, I was asked to select from 1 shipping option:

Shipping Method
zone 3 flat rate $2.99

Whoa, that's a bug. Thanks for spotting it, I'll investigate tonight.

Site still took me to the Polish page for Paypal during checkout as well. A minor issue to be sure, but I thought I'd pass it on.

Mine did the same, but I figured that's because I paid in Zloty.

anyone from nz / au ordered from them yet? Does the shipping calculation work for asiapac?

I hate to spoil stuff, but I ordered some items over a month and a half ago, they supposedly shipped a month ago, and still have not arrived. I have emailed them about it and they do not respond. It was not my first order with them, my others have been good all around but this one seems to be a bit of a thorn.

Sounds weird. I'll go through whole inbox and re-check for unanswered emails. Don't worry, we'll sort it out!

I'm in the market for 4 lasplas, 3 flak and probably 6-7 dozer blades. Is there anyway to put an order in before they are cast?

Nope, but tomorrow is monday, and monday is restocking day

...Aaaand the restock has landed

Thanks for the heads up on restock just put my order in.

king88mob wrote:anyone from nz / au ordered from them yet? Does the shipping calculation work for asiapac?

I ordered a week ago. 2 AC turrets. The shipping was the same as what was quoted here though I haven't received any kind of shipping notice yet. I usually get stuff from the UK or US in 4 days to 3 weeks, so hopefully it's not too different from Poland - I'm definitely hoping for it not to be a month or 6 weeks.

Ordered some Maxmini stuff at the same time and got a shipping confimation from them within a day, so it'll be interesting to see when both arrive.


edit - Well I got my shipping notice from Bitspudlo an hour ago. So it took them a week after payment to ship out the order, which is worse than most eBay sellers but about the same as Maelstrom. I'll keep the thread updated with my experience.

Cool cheers for that. I decided to risk it and put my order through.hopefully all will be good 3 flak cannons and 7? dozer blades I think... should probably try and remember it....

No shipping notification yet but I wouldn't expect it for another couple of days at least.

No worries. Keep it updated as well if you can. I only had a bit of disposable cash but I'd love to hear (and see) how those dozer blades are "in the flesh".

Awaiting order confirmation for my 1 flak cannon and 3 dozer blades as well.

Hi guys,

I just wanted to let you now that all orders with dozer blades are sligthly delayed but will be dispatched by the end of the week.

Thanks for the update. Should I expect a confirmation email when you guys send them?

did you guys ever pick a winner for the name the not-deamonette contest?

Well, I got my order today and I can't say I'm happy with the quality.

Both sets of AC arms (ie all 4) are warped to some degree. Both top plates are warped with one side cut at an odd uneven angle.
One of the weapon mounts is seriously miscast on one side of it's base.
4 seperate pieces I received have little bits of the mold stuck in the detail.
That's not even mentioning the amount of bubbles and flash throughout the pieces.

Overall - Not impressed at all. Would not buy again. A real shame since the sculpting is very well done. The Quality Control however....

By contrast, I got a bunch of Scibor pieces this week as well. The scibor ones have some flash and a very few bubbles, but the overall quality is like night and day.

I would be able to make the Bitspudlo pieces look good, but it's going to take hours of work of heating and cooling and heating and cooling. And even then there's no guarantee I'll get the gun barrels properly straight. I also don't have a lot of time for hobby related things right now, so chances are that these are just going to end up thrown in a box for years as I don't have half a weekend free to spend trying to fix them up Likewise, there's a lot of the detail I'm simply going to lose when I clean these figures up since there's so much "overgrown" resin around the details - from the last set that took a chunk of the mold with it.

I'm half tempted right now to just take them outside and make them into resin dust with a hammer. I'm way past disappointed and quite pissed off.

scipio.au wrote:Well, I got my order today and I can't say I'm happy with the quality.

Both sets of AC arms (ie all 4) are warped to some degree. Both top plates are warped with one side cut at an odd uneven angle.
One of the weapon mounts is seriously miscast on one side of it's base.
4 seperate pieces I received have little bits of the mold stuck in the detail.
That's not even mentioning the amount of bubbles and flash throughout the pieces.

Overall - Not impressed at all. Would not buy again. A real shame since the sculpting is very well done. The Quality Control however....

By contrast, I got a bunch of Scibor pieces this week as well. The scibor ones have some flash and a very few bubbles, but the overall quality is like night and day.

I would be able to make the Bitspudlo pieces look good, but it's going to take hours of work of heating and cooling and heating and cooling. And even then there's no guarantee I'll get the gun barrels properly straight. I also don't have a lot of time for hobby related things right now, so chances are that these are just going to end up thrown in a box for years as I don't have half a weekend free to spend trying to fix them up Likewise, there's a lot of the detail I'm simply going to lose when I clean these figures up since there's so much "overgrown" resin around the details - from the last set that took a chunk of the mold with it.

I'm half tempted right now to just take them outside and make them into resin dust with a hammer. I'm way past disappointed and quite pissed off.

Let's get some pic's, there could be some helpful tips from folks here to save you trouble, and it would help bitspudlo to know what they're dealing with. Heck, they may even fix it/replace them if they're as you say.

scipio.au wrote:Well, I got my order today and I can't say I'm happy with the quality.

I'm half tempted right now to just take them outside and make them into resin dust with a hammer. I'm way past disappointed and quite pissed off.

Hi Scipio,

I am sorry you are not happy with the quality. It seems that growing and hiring people to cast our models came with a price. Neither me nor Tomash can check every piece that is shipped. I just hope that this is only a exception not a rule.
We will be happy to send you new items with quality that will please you.

I would just like to ask you to post photos of this miscasted pieces here or send them to our email.

I'll get pictures up in the next 2 days. It's 7:45am here right now and I've got to go to work, and it's gaming night tonight with friends, so I'll do my best to get something up Friday sometime. I didn't post here to hurt your business - just to give honest (if pissed off) feedback - just as if everything was roses I'd be raving about them - and as I said earlier, the sculpting is very nice. Just the QC is not.

Targetawg - the main hint from anyone to "fix" them would be heat, bend, cool, heat, bend, cool, repeat (and hope I can straighten the bent parts to perfectly straight). Along with cut, file, cut, file (and hope I don't lose too much detail when doing so).

Anyway, more tomorrow (and hopefully the pics). Work calls.

I emailed the pics directly. I won't post them here unless Zly asks me to. I'll give them a chance to fix up the QC issue before reviewing them on the blog, but I hope they can fix up the quality control, since some of my miscast parts are clearly not the first in the chain of the mold's degradation.

I think that in the future, contacting the manufacturer first might be a better way to go.

Alpharius wrote:I think that in the future, contacting the manufacturer first might be a better way to go.

agreed, always better to contact the manufacturer and give them a chance to right whatever happened. Imagine if GW lost a customer with every mistake they made GW has some poor QA however there ability to resolve problems is always A+

I suspect the bits studio guys will get this sort out for you in no time

Well, I did consider that - but then again how is it fair if we can only rave positives about a manufacturer and only complain about shoddy merchandise from "the big boys"?

I'll be blunt. If I'd had any idea about the quality of product I would receive from them, I wouldnt' have SPENT MY MONEY there. I'm giving them a chance to fix it not only for myself, but to fix up this level of QA for future customers and not just quietly fix the problem for myself. Going by one of the pieces I received - that particular mould is f***ed. Yet it's still in use. Someone after me would have gotten the next casting out of that one, just as bad or worse.

So no. If I buy a commercial product for a commercial price, I'll feel free to state in public what I think of their stuff as well as note any issues such as being sent miscast items. The manufacturer needs to be aware that this is an issue so it doesn't happen to the next guy.

I'm sure that the Bitspudlo guys will resolve this for me - after all, I'm making noise on this forum about it. The bigger question is whether their QA will be improved - if the new hires will be asked/told to be stricter with the stuff that goes out. I hope that happens also.

That's what this post is about, just as my post in the other thread talking about how brilliant my also-just-arrived Maxminis stuff is. Honest public feedback so the companies can react appropriately and consumers can make informed choices about where to spend their money.

Thanks for photos Scipio. You can post them here to get others some context.

I think that you can still use them with not that much effort so no need to use the hammer as you mentioned earlier.

Of course pieces of silicon mould are unacceptable and the barrels/bases should be straight out of the box.

Said that, we will ship you new items that lack these flaws and we will do it asap. I hope you will find them pleasing.

Agreed!

However. comments like:

I'm half tempted right now to just take them outside and make them into resin dust with a hammer.

might be a bit much.

Much appreciated. As I said, I'm sure I could fix them, though I don't think I'd ever be able to get the barrels perfectly straight (due to my own ability), and I wasn't mucking about when I said I really don't have the time to fix them.

I'll post the pics alongside the replacement ones, as I think that would be fairer to show the better end of your quality at the same time.


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Alpharius wrote:Agreed!

However. comments like:

I'm half tempted right now to just take them outside and make them into resin dust with a hammer.

might be a bit much.

That's honestly how I felt at the time. No hyperbole. I was extremely disappointed and POed. Ever opened a package that you had been excited about receiving, examined the contents and thought (out loud or internally) WTF is this? That was my reaction, especially given that it was right on the heels of receiving my awesome stuff from two other Polish resin sites. Instead I just threw them in a box of bits. - And after taking the photos I sent the guys, that's where they are again. The other stuff is on my desk right now.

Scipio, we've re-sent your order on tuesday. Hope to read your impressions.

We've improved quality control (every cast piece is now checked personally by me or Zly before shipping) and, what's more important, our overall casting quality by changing the colorant of resin.

Now that our casting is good again, we'll be adding some awesome new stuff to our offer the upcoming week

Tomash wrote:
We've improved quality control (every cast piece is now checked personally by me or Zly before shipping) and, what's more important, our overall casting quality by changing the colorant of resin.

Now that our casting is good again, we'll be adding some awesome new stuff to our offer the upcoming week

Sounds great. I can't wait to see the new stuff!

Great to hear. I'll be sure and post comments once they arrive!

My, my, are those daemon women ever nice... I'm glad I happened across this thread again, because I was just thinking of starting up a Slaanesh Chaos Daemons army...

They'd be more expensive than GW daemonettes, woman for woman, but I wasn't gonna get GW ones anyways - don't like em much. I was gonna get some stuff from Reaper Minis, but honestly, I like these even better than the ones I was gonna get from Reaper. And these aren't much more expensive than those...

Pouncey wrote:And these aren't much more expensive than those...

If you want to place a bigger order, we've been planning to sell 10-packs with prices like mentioned in this post:
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/270/341067.page#2894537

I see you guys are again out of the Flak Cannon Platform. I need 3 of them to turn my dreadnoughts into riflemen and was wondering when you will have them again ready for order?

Let me check the warehouse, we should be able to restock tomorrow at most

Tomash wrote:Let me check the warehouse, we should be able to restock tomorrow at most

Already done

If anyone gets a shipment of the new castings please share some photos!

Time for some fresh & hot stuff!

Just got back from our manufacture where we've been cutting the first mold and doing first cast of our new set.
The working name is "Bulky Cyborgs".

Here's a quick&dirty photo of first cast from the master mold, shows most (but not all!) parts that will make up the set.


(some elements, especially legs, are a bit warped as I've been pulling them from the mold while still soft -- oh the excitement -- but they're perfectly straight, you know)

A complete kit (blister) will include enough components to assemble two complete cyborgs:
- two of each: head, torso, groin
- 4x leg plate, 4x shoulder (designed to give a lot of freedom with positioning arms)
- 4 legs (2 mk1 "two-toe" legs, 2 mk2 "standard" legs), 4 hands, 6 arms (three different types/angles)
- (possibly) a servo-arm (or two), mountable either as arm or at the back

It is possible that the parts of this kit might fit (at least scale-wise ) sf heavily armoured soldiers

I'm really liking that torso, especially the back, for a potential Inquisitor in TDA. Very nice.

Oh yeah, that is going on my list! looks great so far, the rear sf housing is looking excellent, I can't wait for some cleaner shots to show us the details! :-)

We should have better photos this weekend.

By the way, this is probably the most original coversion of our Storm Wolves I've ever seen

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/7618/thirstyonewip001.jpg

That's nuts! :-) what a fantastic idea! i'm seeing snow themed chaos army.....

For anyone in the US who has ordered bits, about how long does shipping take? Sitting on about 2 weeks so far and I'm itchin to use my new stuff.

@Tomash or Zly: Will extra armor for rhino the rhino chasis be a future project? I'd like to know whether to wait for one made by you guys, since your product is so much better, or if I need to settle for whats out there.
Also, when will the not-cyclone missile launchers be available?

Took a month just to get the shipment notice for mine, and they were showing as in-stock when I ordered.

Great stuff though. Horrible wait and no communication until I complained.

Any heads come with that Cyborg?

kronk wrote:Took a month just to get the shipment notice for mine, and they were showing as in-stock when I ordered.

Great stuff though. Horrible wait and no communication until I complained.

Hi,

We apologize for that. I know that sometimes we suck at communicating delays. We both have regular jobs ( in my case two of them ) and this is side project for our and fellow gamers satisfaction and possibility to play with new toys. I hope that you will buy support us in the future if you like our products.


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SickSix wrote:Any heads come with that Cyborg?

Yes, there will be enough parts in the set to make two complete Cyborgs.

We also think about making fitting arm with two-barreled automatic cannon if you now what I mean


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Son 0f Dorn wrote:For anyone in the US who has ordered bits, about how long does shipping take? Sitting on about 2 weeks so far and I'm itchin to use my new stuff.

@Tomash or Zly: Will extra armor for rhino the rhino chasis be a future project? I'd like to know whether to wait for one made by you guys, since your product is so much better, or if I need to settle for whats out there.
Also, when will the not-cyclone missile launchers be available?

Shipping takes from 6 working days ( if you are lucky ) to 28 ( post set this as their max time ).

Yes, we will make some of the bits you've mentioned. I'll settle it this week with our new sculptor ( author of the Cyborg )

Yes, there will be enough parts in the set to make two complete Cyborgs.

We also think about making fitting arm with two-barreled automatic cannon if you now what I mean

Yessss!!

Zly wrote:We also think about making fitting arm with two-barreled automatic cannon if you now what I mean

...because a single-barrel infantry-sized automatic cannon is already done and should be added to our offer this weekend, together with the bulky cyborg

Tomash wrote:

Zly wrote:We also think about making fitting arm with two-barreled automatic cannon if you now what I mean

...because a single-barrel infantry-sized automatic cannon is already done and should be added to our offer this weekend, together with the bulky cyborg

Dammit, just when I told the wife I was done buying new models for a while. I can't wait to see this stuff!

kronk wrote:Took a month just to get the shipment notice for mine, and they were showing as in-stock when I ordered.

Great stuff though. Horrible wait and no communication until I complained.

About the same here for that, but I expected it from what I had read. There was information on the forum in regards to complications with a certain piece that I had in my order and they were even kind enough to allow me to modify my order (adding to it) before sending it off. I've also had an email follow up but I can't really respond because I'm waiting for delivery.

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Son 0f Dorn wrote:For anyone in the US who has ordered bits, about how long does shipping take? Sitting on about 2 weeks so far and I'm itchin to use my new stuff.

@Tomash or Zly: Will extra armor for rhino the rhino chasis be a future project? I'd like to know whether to wait for one made by you guys, since your product is so much better, or if I need to settle for whats out there.
Also, when will the not-cyclone missile launchers be available?

Shipping takes from 6 working days ( if you are lucky ) to 28 ( post set this as their max time ).

Yes, we will make some of the bits you've mentioned. I'll settle it this week with our new sculptor ( author of the Cyborg )

Got my stuff in the mail. Gotta file and heat gun some of it but it looks great.

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Got my stuff in the mail. Gotta file and heat gun some of it but it looks great.

Please post pictures of what you got! (unpainted is fine, want to see if they changed resin and if quality is a little better)

This thread needs way more preview pictures than it has been receiving!

Alpharius wrote:This thread needs way more preview pictures than it has been receiving!

The "bulky cyborg" is delayed a bit (master mold and master casts are great, production mold is curing), but hopefully this weekend some new stuff will hit our shelves -- and if not that, at least you'll get more preview pictures here on Dakka

Cool beans Tomash, look forward to it.

Make sure you let me know Tomash so I can update the thread title!

This is hands down one of my favorite threads on Dakka, really shows the power of a great community

I'll try to get some pics up this weekend.

Zly wrote:

kronk wrote:Took a month just to get the shipment notice for mine, and they were showing as in-stock when I ordered.

Great stuff though. Horrible wait and no communication until I complained.

Hi,

We apologize for that. I know that sometimes we suck at communicating delays. We both have regular jobs ( in my case two of them ) and this is side project for our and fellow gamers satisfaction and possibility to play with new toys. I hope that you will buy support us in the future if you like our products.

No worries, Zly.

I'm very happy with the quality and willing to give you guys another try in the future. Best of luck to your business.

ironicsilence wrote:This is hands down one of my favorite threads on Dakka, really shows the power of a great community

This. The feedback we've received here is priceless.


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Brace for impact, incoming previews of new goodies.

You're getting these pics even before our Facebook fan page, Dakkaites
These are photos of first production casts, sprayed quickly with grey primer (to reduce shine and bring up the detail). Starting today we have started building up stocks of these goodies, there'll be a small batch available on monday.

(images are links to higher-res versions)


1. Infantry-sized Automatic Cannon, with practical handles for the strongest of soldiers:



2. Servo Arm for everything you might want to equip with it (pics of assembled will follow soon)



3. Bulky Cyborg, an awesome miniature




I hope you like them!
As you probably see, these kits are pretty open to new parts and ideas, so feedback is (as always) much appreciated.

I am really pleased with our new stuff and it was fun to assemble this cyborg even with Tomash's whining 'make pictures, make pictures, did you make them yet?'

Love the cyborg body, but is it possible to get it other attachments for hands rather than those rather low-tech looking grabber claws?

RiTides wrote:is it possible to get it other attachments for hands rather than those rather low-tech looking grabber claws?

Sure. What kind of hands would you like to see?
We wanted to keep his limbs low-tech, at least for first release

I love the body and even the arms. However, I'm not entirely sure if I understand what's going on with the head.

I'm hoping and assuming that this awesome Cyborg will coincidentally be comparable in size to the Terminator models from our "favorite" company, yes?

The head? Well, it's robotic, inhuman and weird (just wait for the painted version!). The sculptor of this set (Pawel "Hamster" Zdanowski) was probably watching "Hardware" yet another time

Absolutionis wrote:I'm hoping and assuming that this awesome Cyborg will coincidentally be comparable in size to the Terminator models from our "favorite" company, yes?

It seems that accidentally yes, it's very compatible

(this project originally started as "set of bionic parts for terminator-like models", but then we've decided that it should include as many different bionic parts as possible, and before we realized there we had all the bits to assemble a complete miniature. there will be two in the set, as there are two different types of legs)

Absolutionis wrote:I love the body and even the arms. However, I'm not entirely sure if I understand what's going on with the head.

I'm hoping and assuming that this awesome Cyborg will coincidentally be comparable in size to the Terminator models from our "favorite" company, yes?

The head has kind of chaotic feel if a low tech robot. As for terminators I never thought about that but now when you mentioned it, it looks similar in size.Base is 40mm.

For hands we think about some crude crushing replacement.For firearms you are only limited with imagination what can be attached instead of this hand.

And yes, it will be compatible with incoming double automatic cannon.

Wow, all of it is just awesome! Loving the new stuff you guys have put out this summer/fall!

I'm loving the servo-arm and cyborg. Thoughts on a mechanicus range?

Unit1126PLL wrote:Thoughts on a mechanicus range?

Not really. Our friends from MicroArtStudio have a great "Iron Brotherhood" range which fits perfectly as Mechanicus.
However some nice kits to convert e.g. Cadians into AdMech-subsidiary units sound quite like an idea

Liking the Servo Arm and the Head from the cyborg. Could build a great Master of the Forge from it. Any possibility of a cannon that one could use as a conversion beamer, in the future?

I think this is a pretty smart idea - supply a complete cyborg body, so that modellers can use whichever bionic bits they need. I hope they sell well enough to warrant some more variant versions too.

Of course, the next move would be robot heads to allow a complete robotic body - wouldn't these make cool counts-as Necrons?

Silly question deleted.
I look forward to seeing the pics of the assembled servo arm.

Can we get some combat type attachements for the servo arm? Thinking the power claw from the Iron Warriors Warsmith. Would be a great addition for MOTF conversions.


/Just need more Powerclaws in general. Compatible with Servo Arms would be a bonus.

Wow, I was really hoping someone would do a bionic kit "compatible to Terminators!" Thanks a ton, expect an order from me very soon!

I plan to have a biker MOTF/Techmarine and that harness is looking mighty yummy!

I just took two of the leftover (didn't pass QC) casts of the Servo-Arm to see how they assemble. Long story short: awesome. Because the parts are designed to rotate freely at the places of connecting, it gives some awesome modelling possibilities.

These photos are made to show scale and combinations of the Servo Arm. The Servo Arm wasn't even glued to the Black Templar (there's a part in kit -- fourth from left -- that makes it easy to mount the Servo Arm on a cylindical or spherical surface).

That is awesomesauce. I've been looking to for parts to bash a techmarine, and that fits the bill.

Those are really nice!

Now I really want Power-claw and drill type ends for that. MOTF like a bauss.

Any prognosis on release dates for the cyborgs?

In my limited experience (2-3 orders) I've only had to wait about 2-3 weeks from order date to sitting in my hands, which is about what I would expect after ordering from overseas.

Keep up the good work.

buckero0 wrote:Any prognosis on release dates for the cyborgs?

Yes: some stockbuilding is in progress and we're starting with a small batch (10 blisters of cyborgs, 10 blisters of servo arm, 5 blisters of infantry automatic cannons), at this very minute. Have a nice shopping

The handheld automatic cannon is sweeet!

Really think you guys are going to have problems keeping stock of all of these new kits! Good luck keeping up with orders!

I've never used Polish Paypal before.

Anyway, thanks for more Resin Crack! I've been waiting ages for the Las/Plas to be back in stock!

I must say that it honestly looks too big for a servo arm. A servo harness maybe, but it does not look suitable for a normal servo arm.

I kinda like that about it... There are many conversions I can think of where a larger than usual arm could come in handy... I wanted something like that in my Storm Raven conversion to hang in the rear compartment. I came up with a different solution in the end I am satisfied with, but my initial idea was 'need servo arms'! Big Ones! Could only find metal ones, and they were sold out in general.

I can see a few areas where a snip and a cup could shorten them without compromising the look. To be fair though, it isn't fair to expect the client to chop things up to make it work and I realize that, even though I am sure many people would be fine with them as is, and a good chunk would also be fine to chop them to size.

I think the market can accommodate multiple arm sizes, from one size bigger than that, to one notch lower with a more 'normal' servo length, right down to a servo arm that would be the right size to use as a straight up bionic arm, but in that style...

In any case, it's a win for me, it wouldn't take much for me to figure places I would want to use it!

So much Iron Warriors potential...

Excellent... [/Mr. Burns]

Just ordered some flak cannons - coincidentally, I might turn them upside down and see how they look on a dreadnought

ph34r wrote:I must say that it honestly looks too big for a servo arm. A servo harness maybe, but it does not look suitable for a normal servo arm.

So to recap what you'd like to see besides the current kit:
- an alternative, shorter arm
- alternative "ends"; current ideas include drill, tongs, heaters & cutters

Should be doable. I don't want to do any declarations, but I'll talk with sculptors

Perhaps a small servo arm that could help load a missile launcher or similar for an armoured soldier.
That current arm would look good on a walker, for an individual it needs to be 75-50% of it's current size.

I kinda like how big it is myself. Looks more like it might be of actual use.

Nah the servo arm is perfect, the shorter ones would be too impractical in a real world situation as it cant go further than the reach of the tech marine.... the longer bigger arm would be more practical and aesthetically it looks cool.

Plus that Cyborg...... Iron Hands and Iron Fathers ahoy!!!

Finished conversion:

Awesome!

matus wrote:Finished conversion:

HOLY CRAP! That is scary lookin'... what is it?

Tasmanian Devil

Slinky wrote:Just ordered some flak cannons - coincidentally, I might turn them upside down and see how they look on a dreadnought

By complete coincidence I thought the same thing.




First one is an Assault on Black Reach 'nought with Venerable Dreadnought bitz.
the second is a "straight up" Venerable Dread.

Both have had "shoulders" from the Venerable kit added to the Flak Cannons.


PS. Pictures are just quick ones from my phone taken for his occasion.

wolfshadow wrote:HOLY CRAP! That is scary lookin'... what is it?

It's the reason why you should have a good ventilation in the room where glue and other toxic chemicals are used

(but seriously, this is neat!)

Thanks, Steelmage99, good to see pics to see how they will look - looking forward to getting them even more now

Hey I can't find the dread autocannons on the website this morning? :(

They're here and haven't moved anywhere:
http://bitspudlo.com/products/flak-cannon-platform

By the way, we're making new moulds for the platforms, so will we'll resume sending orders containing them around wednesday-thursday.

Aaaand finished model:

matus wrote:Aaaand finished model:

Okay, that's pretty sweet.

Beautiful.

Now...

WHAT IS IT?

some exemple of the Servo-arm use, on my masterof the forge on bike


more there

wolfshadow wrote:Beautiful.

Now...

WHAT IS IT?

Daemon Prince/Blood Thirster?

Alvena wrote:some exemple of the Servo-arm use, on my masterof the forge on bike

Awesome!

Can't wait to see him painted

Me needs Flak Cannons and Dozer Blades please. When shall you be re-stocking?

Warflake wrote:Me needs Flak Cannons and Dozer Blades please. When shall you be re-stocking?

Around tuesday, new molds are in the making and we're upgrading some of our equipment

Tomash wrote:

Warflake wrote:Me needs Flak Cannons and Dozer Blades please. When shall you be re-stocking?

Around tuesday, new molds are in the making and we're upgrading some of our equipment

Thanks!

How tall is the Bulky Cyborg?

Bootman wrote:How tall is the Bulky Cyborg?

About the size of the terminator and on the picture it's mounted on the 40mm base.

Hmm... Might be able to get my Skitarii going strong with some of those guys. Thanks!

You can corner the market on Imperial players if you make something like this:







It doesn't need to be the same thing and any parts that are straight GW can be changed. We just need a stand-in Russ badly and this beast is EPIC. Make this and I will order 10 of them.

What is that model, exactly?

Is.... that a

Ssurnamel pattern tank

You guys don't happen to be planning on making some kind of shoulder mounted missile launcher system that I could use on some sort of bulky soldier from the future do you?

Eeps wrote:You guys don't happen to be planning on making some kind of shoulder mounted missile launcher system that I could use on some sort of bulky soldier from the future do you?

Oh, it's been in the making for some time now. Time so long that we might have to commision this to another sculptor, actually. But yeah, it will be in our offer soon.

scipio.au wrote:What is that model, exactly?

It's a "Leman Russ Mk II" or "King Russ" made by a Russian company. The copyright violations are obvious and blatant on the model (which means its no longer made). I was thinking it could be re-made as long as the copies of GW equipment/bits were eliminated. The basic chassis could be cast without the Leman-Russ looking bolts and cannon. I'm confident whoever makes the next version of this vehicle will make serious money.

How about it Bitspudlo??

Looks like a back to front Leman Russ (driver is where the original engine compartment used to be), with predator sponsons, landraider engine bits and baneblade fuel canisters, possibly bane blade turret too. It looks way cool.

Make it a bit more generic and it will be more than just IG that would want it, it looks like a nice pred alternative too.

dantay_xv wrote:Looks like a back to front Leman Russ (driver is where the original engine compartment used to be), with predator sponsons, landraider engine bits and baneblade fuel canisters, possibly bane blade turret too. It looks way cool.

Make it a bit more generic and it will be more than just IG that would want it, it looks like a nice pred alternative too.

I agree completely. Others have tried to make a Russ substitute but the only one worth anything is here:

http://www.radaddel.de/mortian-heavy-battletank.html

For over $60 USD shipped its not a great deal. With Bitspudlo's prices the "Leman Russ Mk II" or "Sci-Fi Trooper Tank" could be a real gold mine.

Tomash wrote:

Eeps wrote:You guys don't happen to be planning on making some kind of shoulder mounted missile launcher system that I could use on some sort of bulky soldier from the future do you?

Oh, it's been in the making for some time now. Time so long that we might have to commision this to another sculptor, actually. But yeah, it will be in our offer soon.

eexcellleeeeeent

Hey Tomash, any idea when you're going to have more of those servo arms run? I could use 6 or so... 8 maybe.

Gitsplitta wrote:Hey Tomash, any idea when you're going to have more of those servo arms run? I could use 6 or so... 8 maybe.

Restocking in progress...

By the way, this thread made me laugh today:

Why? At first GW lawyers thought every name, concept and design mentioned in one of their books is per se protected and nobody may do a model based on that without their explicit permission. This proved to be wrong, because only models are protected, not ideas and concepts. Now GW lawyers fear that if they release Tervigons, Thunderwolves etc, the third party companies already doing these might successfully sue them.

Don't worry, Games Workshop! We won't! Well, at least for the Thunderwolves (which will probably be a blatant ripoff of our Storm Wolves) and provided you won't try to sue us for our other products

Yeah, I saw that... pretty much defines irony doesn't it?

markoseugene wrote:

dantay_xv wrote:Looks like a back to front Leman Russ (driver is where the original engine compartment used to be), with predator sponsons, landraider engine bits and baneblade fuel canisters, possibly bane blade turret too. It looks way cool.

Make it a bit more generic and it will be more than just IG that would want it, it looks like a nice pred alternative too.

I agree completely. Others have tried to make a Russ substitute but the only one worth anything is here:

http://www.radaddel.de/mortian-heavy-battletank.html

For over $60 USD shipped its not a great deal. With Bitspudlo's prices the "Leman Russ Mk II" or "Sci-Fi Trooper Tank" could be a real gold mine.

I own one of these, it is an absolutely beautiful tank, I can't make myself use the normal russ after having gotten this one. However, there are some huge downsides to this model, which is the reason that I have not bought more yet, especially #2 is the reason:
1: It is expensive (but compared to the quality/look, it is a better buy than a normal russ IMO)
2: It is absolute hell to put together. You have to sand, cut, grind, cry and kill yourself through the horrible process of building this beast. As I don't want to suffer through this one more time, I will have to pay someone to put it together for me, which adds to the cost of the tank.

Making large tanks out of resin poses a few challenges, quite similar to making them from metal (who remembers land raider mk1?).

- if made of one large piece, it's really heavy, which also means expensive (lots and lots of resin)
- the price increase could be offset by dropping in resin waste, but then again, a good setup and a skilled worker means not-that-much of a waste
- even if made of one large piece, it would require a few tricks to avoid warping the model due to squeezing the mould (which is too easy given such a large cavity)
- if made of many pieces, it will be one hell of a work to put it all together, as both the silicone and resin tend to shrink when curing; not much (less than one percent in every direction), but enough to make assembly a nightmare

But still, it's an interesting idea. I'm not saying "no", at least not definitely

Tomash wrote:But still, it's an interesting idea. I'm not saying "no", at least not definitely

Have someone else make it out of plastic? *wink* *wink*

Eeps wrote:You guys don't happen to be planning on making some kind of shoulder mounted missile launcher system that I could use on some sort of bulky soldier from the future do you?

To my big surprise our our main sculptor just told me that he finished one of these and even did first mould for it so Tsunami Multiple Missile Launcher is expected next week

About big tank, I am a big fun of having something like that in our offer and will fight with Tomash for it

Zly wrote:To my big surprise our our main sculptor just told me that he finished one of these and even did first mould for it so Tsunami Multiple Missile Launcher is expected next week

I'm taking the liberty of posting a preview pic here:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5567/rocketsentry.jpg
(don't mind the tripod).

Matus is awesome!

Zly wrote:About big tank, I am a big fun of having something like that in our offer and will fight with Tomash for it

I'll just send you the international shipping costs for such a tank, assuming it'll weight around 400-500g

@ Eeps: You said it, now theres no taking it back! Seriously though, Guard players really need a better tank. With the outstanding merchandise your company comes out with, a vehicle to the same standards would be a welcome addition.

Tomash wrote:

Zly wrote:To my big surprise our our main sculptor just told me that he finished one of these and even did first mould for it so Tsunami Multiple Missile Launcher is expected next week

I'm taking the liberty of posting a preview pic here:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5567/rocketsentry.jpg
(don't mind the tripod).

Matus is awesome!

Ohh, those are nice.

Gotta get me a couple of those

Tomash, as long as it's under 1kg then shipping cost shouldn't be more than $15(europe, USA) which could be acceptable with good price on the item.

Anyway it's on the list but even if we start working on it it will take some time to finalize this kind of project.

O_O

Very nice missile launcher. Very nice indeed.

Tomash wrote:

Zly wrote:To my big surprise our our main sculptor just told me that he finished one of these and even did first mould for it so Tsunami Multiple Missile Launcher is expected next week

I'm taking the liberty of posting a preview pic here:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/5567/rocketsentry.jpg
(don't mind the tripod).

Matus is awesome!

Zly wrote:About big tank, I am a big fun of having something like that in our offer and will fight with Tomash for it

I'll just send you the international shipping costs for such a tank, assuming it'll weight around 400-500g

I'd make the humble suggestion (in case it's not already so) of making the top missle bit compatible with the top back torso of a terminator in case someone wanted to use it as a not-cyclone missle launcher.

Could that missile launcher perhaps be fitted onto the back of a rhiino in order to resemble a whirlwind artillery tank?

Son 0f Dorn wrote:Could that missile launcher perhaps be fitted onto the back of a rhiino in order to resemble a whirlwind artillery tank?

Seems a bit small for that though doesnt it? You'll need 2-4 of them to look big enough

warboss wrote:I'd make the humble suggestion (in case it's not already so) of making the top missle bit compatible with the top back torso of a terminator in case someone wanted to use it as a not-cyclone missle launcher.

It is already so, I thought it was pretty obvious

I think a tank-fitting missile battery deserves its own product

Nice work on that one, gentlemen. If people were using the launchers elsewhere and not as standalone light support weapons, the tripods could be welcomed for Imperial Guard heavy weapons.

I was just playing Space Marine (the videogame) yesterday and as I passed an Imperial Guard outpost I liked the look of the standing height tripod-mounted Heavy Bolters some of them had.

Tomash wrote:

warboss wrote:I'd make the humble suggestion (in case it's not already so) of making the top missle bit compatible with the top back torso of a terminator in case someone wanted to use it as a not-cyclone missle launcher.

It is already so, I thought it was pretty obvious

I think a tank-fitting missile battery deserves its own product

I sensed it was hinted with the comment about the tripod but the difference between hinted and obvious could easily be sales. Cyclones go for alot on the bits market compared to other things their size/availability. Either way, good idea!

This is going to be a good month! Just got a preview photo of new double-barreled cannon arm (for our bulky cyborg) from Matus, our sculptor

Tomash wrote:This is going to be a good month! Just got a preview photo of new double-barreled cannon arm (for our bulky cyborg) from Matus, our sculptor

How dare you tell us of a photo without showing it to us!!! I want to see the picture!!!

Those are really neat... I think I need a few of them and a bunch of "thermic" guns.

Do you guys know when you will be restocking other manufacturers' work (Kromlech, Maxmini, etc.)? I'm just thinking about cutting my postage costs a bit by just ordering from one site, i.e. yours.

Ian Sturrock wrote:Do you guys know when you will be restocking other manufacturers' work (Kromlech, Maxmini, etc.)? I'm just thinking about cutting my postage costs a bit by just ordering from one site, i.e. yours.

Sure! We've actually bought some of the new stuff from Kromlech, but I haven't got to adding them to our store offer. If there's anything specific you'd like to buy through our store, please drop me an email

Matus, could you show us the photos of the gun-arms you've been working on recently?

Here are the previews. They might be changed a bit, but you get the idea.

exhibit#1

exhibit#2

HELL YES! Those are sweeeet! Great Job!

markoseugene wrote:You can corner the market on Imperial players if you make something like this:







It doesn't need to be the same thing and any parts that are straight GW can be changed. We just need a stand-in Russ badly and this beast is EPIC. Make this and I will order 10 of them. [/quote

Not a fan tbh...