im2randomghgh wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

huntho21 wrote:Why is evryone forgeting that Russ is still alive somewhere in the eye of terror probably pwning milions of Deamons?

No one knows if Russ is alive, but given the fact that he's been stranded alone in the Warp for 10,000+ years, he's more likely dead than alive.

And several Primarchs are M.I.A., and even so, DP are equal to Primarchs, so them returning would be more of a morale thing than anything ekse.

Guilliman is the only loyal Primarch that is alive 100% for sure.

And I am pretty sure the only ones that can't be argued to be alive are Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Primarch

Rogal Dorn is alive? Better tell the Fists to give him back his skeletal hand and apologize for all the names carved into it then...

EDIT: Wow, that wikia sure is full of crap. Rogal Dorn's skeletal hands, his armour and weapons are recovered, he's explicitly stated to be dead and yet he's "missing"?

There are numerous stories about Dorn's death, but none are canon. He was in an enourmous explosion that blew his hand into orbit, true, but Angron had a mountain fall on him and dug his way out unscathed. Fulgrim punched khaine in the face. Primarchs are almost unkillable. The only stupid Primarch death was Conrad Kurze being killed by an unaugmented, human assassin.

"Rogal Dorn, the Imperial Fists' Primarch, was a tenacious and steadfast warrior whose final moments were of courage and supreme sacrifice." C:SM pg. 27. According to Index Astartes II (sorry, don't have it on me so can't quote the page) he died on the Despoiler-class battleship Sword of Sacrilege and his remains were recovered. According to the novel "Space Marine", released in 1993 and as such one of the earliest pieces of fluff available, Rogal Dorn's skeleton is kept in a chapel, surrounded by amber formed like Dorn himself. I don't know about you, but when you've got your Primarch's skeleton in, essentially, a jar, I'd say he's pretty damn dead!

Until GW retcons Space Marines to have regeneration like Wolverine, anyhow..

Primarch- in case of emergency, break open glass..

FlammingGaunt wrote:

Commissar Typhus wrote:

Swordwind wrote:KHAINEEEEEE

Because being the fiery incarnation of the God of War is automatically winning.

And yet he was beat down upon so many other heros and races

The avatar is one of thousands of shards of khaine is the Eldar ever figure out how to put those shards together there's going to be a lot of butt hurt for their enemies. Plus the fact that he throws melta fire balls just makes him that much more awesome.

Not really, considering the fact that he/all the other Eldar gods were torn to shreds by the weakest Chaos God, I think that Khorne could rape khaine in the ass, except that he would probably keep him as a pet, since they're so similar.

I think in game it might be Draigo now. WS7 S5 T5 W4 A4 2+/3++ s10 vs Daemons and Psykers

Amaya wrote:I think in game it might be Draigo now. WS7 S5 T5 W4 A4 2+/3++ s10 vs Daemons and Psykers

GD of K is still the best.

Edit: or maybe GD of SL

im2randomghgh wrote:

Amaya wrote:I think in game it might be Draigo now. WS7 S5 T5 W4 A4 2+/3++ s10 vs Daemons and Psykers

GD of K is still the best.

Edit: or maybe GD of SL

It would be close. The Daemonbane rule states that any Psyker or Daemon who takes a wound and fails a leadership test is removed as a casualty. I'm pretty sure that ability ignores instant death.

Draigo and the Bloodthirster would go simo. Bloodthirster hits on 3+ wounds on 2+ and has 1 more attack. Draigon hits on 4+, rerolls misses, (should land 3 attacks per round), wounds on 2+, and has a 3+ invul save to the Bloodthirster's 4+.

Bloodthirster should do 0.93 unsaved wounds per round, Draigo should do 1.25. I think the Bloodthirster only has about a 6% chance to fail his Leadership test.

Not Lelith, she fights barefoot and when she's on her period.

Draigo would fall beneath the Nightbringer

Medium of Death wrote:The thing about Lucius is, if gets killed by either a Tyrannid or Necron he is pretty buggered. Pretty much anything that doesn't revell in victory. Also I wonder if Khârn could kill Lucius? He only lives to kill, and takes no satisfaction in it. Simple cuts off the head and moves on.

Plus; He can't be that good at fighting, he's died a fair few times.

Did you not read the story next to Kharn in the CSM codex? He's killing brother berzerkers, I don't think he would even delay in cutting off the head of one who embraces the weak god of Slaanesh.

Where is Captain Darnath Lysander?
Lysander any day

Hargus56 wrote:

Medium of Death wrote:The thing about Lucius is, if gets killed by either a Tyrannid or Necron he is pretty buggered. Pretty much anything that doesn't revell in victory. Also I wonder if Khârn could kill Lucius? He only lives to kill, and takes no satisfaction in it. Simple cuts off the head and moves on.

Plus; He can't be that good at fighting, he's died a fair few times.

Did you not read the story next to Kharn in the CSM codex? He's killing brother berzerkers, I don't think he would even delay in cutting off the head of one who embraces the weak god of Slaanesh.

The minions of Slaanesh are no less powerful than the other minions of Chaos, there are simply less of them, and that is the only reflection on Slaanesh inferior power. On the TT, the strongest GD is definately KoS.


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Chompy1804 wrote:Where is Captain Darnath Lysander?
Lysander any day

LYSANDER!

P.S. Me Gusta.

woodbok wrote:Draigo would fall beneath the Nightbringer

Nightbringer isn't EW, Draigo can instagib with a FW.

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Before the Heresy the Emperor of Man hands down.

SKULLTAKER! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

No, really it would be BELIAL, he 'almost' won Ghazhkull....
Almost=got his ass kicked

Gaunt? He's pretty legit...

the unforgiven wrote:SKULLTAKER! SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

No, really it would be BELIAL, he 'almost' won Ghazhkull....
Almost=got his ass kicked

40k Skulltaker sucks. Draigo would rock him.

Enough with the draigo fanclub He gets way too much lovin' without help

Skulltaker isn't that hard to rock in game.

im2randomghgh wrote:
Guilliman is the only loyal Primarch that is alive 100% for sure.

Are you for real?

NagothDaCleaver wrote:17 people buy into the lame Ultramarine propaganda of the Space Marine Codex

Sorry to disappoint but Calgar was much cooler before ward got his grubby mits on the dex

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Guilliman is the only loyal Primarch that is alive 100% for sure.

Are you for real?

Yup, all the M.I.A ones are like 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure that they're dead, and RG is not dead, he's in a coma.

By codex:

Chaos Daemons ->
Skarbrand
Ku'gath

Chaos Space Marines ->
Abaddon
Kharn
Lucius

Dark Eldar ->
Asdrubael Vect
Drazhar
Lelith Hesperax

Eldar ->
Asurmen
Prince Yriel

Orks ->
Ghazghkull Thraka

Space Marines ->
Marneus Calgar
Lysander

Blood Angels ->
Sanguinor
Mephiston

Space Wolves ->
Logan Grimnar

Tyranids ->
The Swarmlord

Grey Knights ->
Draigo

I think out of those Abaddon, Grimnar, Calgar, Skarbrand, and Draigo are the deadliest in game.

on that list? I voted Lelith Hesperex. She is the head of one of the most prominant wych cults in an enviroment that makes Catachan look like a cake walk. When one is able to decapitate 12 other warriors of near equal value with a single acrobatic flare, one has ascended beyond mortal ability to fight.

What about Lady Malys, she looks set to be the next ruler of the dark city.

moonshine wrote:What about Lady Malys, she looks set to be the next ruler of the dark city.

Only means she is the best politician. There's a difference

I think Tau should get a legendary hero, Shadowsun and Farsight are pretty good, but I want someone CRAZY! Maybe they could make a Puretide model...

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Guilliman is the only loyal Primarch that is alive 100% for sure.

Are you for real?

Yup, all the M.I.A ones are like 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure that they're dead, and RG is not dead, he's in a coma.

Last I checked you don't survive your neck being slit, but whatever you say

C'tan for an other worldly power, Torquemada the only other one on the list.

But others include Leman Russ (even though I don't like SW), Colonel Straken, Skarbrand or The Skulltaker anyone??

Colonel-Commisar Ibram Gaunt

Brother-Thunder wrote:

moonshine wrote:What about Lady Malys, she looks set to be the next ruler of the dark city.

Only means she is the best politician. There's a difference

Yeah but that means she could probably confuse you enough to get you to put your weapon down.

Or it means she will increase university fees

Brother-Thunder wrote:

moonshine wrote:What about Lady Malys, she looks set to be the next ruler of the dark city.

Only means she is the best politician. There's a difference

I doubt she could ever rule the Dark City, while she could be a better politician, she doesnt have the one thing that Space Pimp Vect has:

Respect

Which is possibly the only thing keeping his allies standing between him, and enough assassins to quell a Ghazzy's WAAAGH.

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Guilliman is the only loyal Primarch that is alive 100% for sure.

Are you for real?

Yup, all the M.I.A ones are like 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure that they're dead, and RG is not dead, he's in a coma.

Last I checked you don't survive your neck being slit, but whatever you say

It's not debatable-RG IS in a coma. Plus, mortal injuries undoubtedly affect Primarchs differently, it is only the poison on the blade that wounded him that is keeping his "I am the son of the big E" metabolism from healing him.

You can believe what you want. I'm not stopping you

Well I voted for Abaddon because I play Black Legion, but the Nightbringer hands down. He eats stars for breakfast.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Guilliman is the only loyal Primarch that is alive 100% for sure.

Are you for real?

Yup, all the M.I.A ones are like 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure that they're dead, and RG is not dead, he's in a coma.

Last I checked you don't survive your neck being slit, but whatever you say

It's not debatable-RG IS in a coma. Plus, mortal injuries undoubtedly affect Primarchs differently, it is only the poison on the blade that wounded him that is keeping his "I am the son of the big E" metabolism from healing him.

Roboute isn't in a coma, he's locked in a stasis field with a poisoned daemon-weapon wound to his throat. So while you're right in that the issue isn't debatable, it's not for the reason you mentioned. Besides, the Lion is still alive too.

yeah, lion is alive too... In some secret corner of tower of angels guarded by watchers in the dark.
And Luther is still saying that he will return...
Okay and then on the topic:
Puretide for tau!
*crosses fingers for next tau dex*
Hmmmm... I think that was off-topic too... Oh well

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Battle Brother Lucifer wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Guilliman is the only loyal Primarch that is alive 100% for sure.

Are you for real?

Yup, all the M.I.A ones are like 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% sure that they're dead, and RG is not dead, he's in a coma.

Last I checked you don't survive your neck being slit, but whatever you say

It's not debatable-RG IS in a coma. Plus, mortal injuries undoubtedly affect Primarchs differently, it is only the poison on the blade that wounded him that is keeping his "I am the son of the big E" metabolism from healing him.

Roboute isn't in a coma, he's locked in a stasis field with a poisoned daemon-weapon wound to his throat. So while you're right in that the issue isn't debatable, it's not for the reason you mentioned. Besides, the Lion is still alive too.

RG is in stasis, but alive, not getting better, in critical condition. I used the word `coma` because I didn`t want to explain the wound thing.

Almost identical story for the Lion.

Jonson, whom was spirited away during the destruction of Caliban, was also taken into the deep, unreachable chamber within the Rock and placed into stasis to keep him alive

WARORK93 wrote:the greatest warrior in 40k is Ollanius Pius.

QFT

IT IS CLEARLY THE GOD EMPEROR OF MAN's pet dog Shadow, he has power teeth and mega woof. He is so elite he had a 1+ Inv. save and 1,000,000 wounds, cuz he's cute.

Your missing Eldrad , Asurmen , Jain Zar , Baharroth , Karandras , Fuegan , Maugan RA , so I find this poll to be flawed.

Smitty0305 wrote:Your missing Eldrad , Asurmen , Jain Zar , Baharroth , Karandras , Fuegan , Maugan RA , so I find this poll to be flawed.

They are obviously not going to include them all. If they did, they might as well include ALL heroes from all races, and that would be BAD.


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P.S. Farsight could own Logan Grimnar.

Lucius the eternal, if you kill him you turn into him. he could be killed by the the goddamn emperor and he would turn into Lucius. you just cannot beat that.

Noah da guardsmen wrote:Lucius the eternal, if you kill him you turn into him. he could be killed by the the goddamn emperor and he would turn into Lucius. you just cannot beat that.

No the emperor would not turn in to him, as lucius gets his power from Slaanesh and the GEoM is more powerful than Slaanesh-by a lot.

Also, this is only if you take satisfaction in killing him that you turn into him. The Emperor would barely register Lucius, and so would not feel pleasure. Even if he did noticed, he is devoid of hubris, and so would accept it but not feel boastful.

Ghazghkull has stolen the lead!!

im2randomghgh wrote:

Noah da guardsmen wrote:Lucius the eternal, if you kill him you turn into him. he could be killed by the the goddamn emperor and he would turn into Lucius. you just cannot beat that.

No the emperor would not turn in to him, as lucius gets his power from Slaanesh and the GEoM is more powerful than Slaanesh-by a lot.

Also, this is only if you take satisfaction in killing him that you turn into him. The Emperor would barely register Lucius, and so would not feel pleasure. Even if he did noticed, he is devoid of hubris, and so would accept it but not feel boastful.

Just adding that even IF he felt satisfied there'd be nothing left for Slaanesh to resurrect, as the Epmeror can annihilate people's souls. Just look at Horus...

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Noah da guardsmen wrote:Lucius the eternal, if you kill him you turn into him. he could be killed by the the goddamn emperor and he would turn into Lucius. you just cannot beat that.

No the emperor would not turn in to him, as lucius gets his power from Slaanesh and the GEoM is more powerful than Slaanesh-by a lot.

Also, this is only if you take satisfaction in killing him that you turn into him. The Emperor would barely register Lucius, and so would not feel pleasure. Even if he did noticed, he is devoid of hubris, and so would accept it but not feel boastful.

Just adding that even IF he felt satisfied there'd be nothing left for Slaanesh to resurrect, as the Epmeror can annihilate people's souls. Just look at Horus...

I basically mentioned that in the bolded area already...


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Smitty0305 wrote:Your missing Eldrad , Asurmen , Jain Zar , Baharroth , Karandras , Fuegan , Maugan RA , so I find this poll to be flawed.

Karandras is the most elite of them, by far. SS for ever!

Lucius could also be killed by a tyranid, or any xenos, and also any daemon. But I think we need to divide it by points yarick isn't going to stand against the swarmlord.

Well I just mentioned Old one eye because i've killed all those n00by bastards with him and then regenerated wounds during the battles so I quite often come out unharmed with a new head for my trophy rack (so to speak)

Farsight, not because of his stats, but because he is a small, gray/blue alien guy, who was born into a species with no skills, attributes, martial arts, or philosophies regarding CC, yet he is amongst the better CC units in the TT game. Props for the underdog!