Who do you think is the greatest warrior in the warhammer 40k universe?

Marneus Calgar

GHaz of course, no ones bigger or arder than him n every one fears him

Where the hell is Kharn?

And Sly Marbo?

This list is incomplete

Mesphiston is one step away from becoming an Demon Prince.

Kharn is not worthy of being on the list, Abaddon would beast him any day!!

If you were to put them toe to toe it'd have to be a C'tan. They are levels above the others that can't even be compared.

Statistically in game, it is very sad that Mephiston can one shot one but if you go by pure fluff there wouldn't be a contest.

Fluff Ctan would be the best by far.

They were on Par with the Old Ones, creators of the webway, and masters of the warp. The Ctan you see in the game are mere shadows of what their full power would be.

I think that there is some fluff about the Ctan called the Dragon being beaten by the emperor, but only because he was shot with a Blackstone Fortress a full power first. It would seem that at their full strength they would only be rivaled by the Old Ones, the Emperor (maybe), or the Chaos Gods (not sure how they would meet though).

none of the above, the greatest warriro in 40k is Ollanius Pius.

he may not have killed anything but his actions did win the Horus heresy for the Imperium. And lets face it that was pretty much the biggest shindig in 40k

but for the sake of the vote I put Grimnar, cause you can't keep a good SW down

The avatar of khaine is a small piece of the eldar god of war. Nuf Said

Brother-Captain Aurelian.

Oam Mkoll.

Swarmlord anyone? Helps kill whole worlds and just regrows somewhere else if slain.
Kinda brings a new meaning to 'Eternal Warrior'

C'tan ate whole races and systems and reform if "killed".

The Emperor has imprisoned a c-tan by himself thank you very much.

The Emperor may have BEEN the greatest Warrior. One could also Say Solar Macharius was depending on your definition. If you mean a living one-on-one master of combat instead of a leader? Well, Angron is still alive (sort of) and rumors abound that Russ MAY still be wandering around in the Warp. Though he was "dying" according to some fluff I read a while back, the distortions in the Warp may be such that he's still kickin'.


I can't pick as I'm just not sure.

Gonna vote for the actual god on this list and go C'tan.

xlightscreen wrote:The Emperor has imprisoned a c-tan by himself thank you very much.

Supposedly after it had been blasted by a weapon designed specifically to use against a C'tan.

One little mistake - C'Tan is a GOD. So he can't count for heroes are MORTAL beings that do GOOD stuff.
And you forgot Gabriel Angelos - in my opinion the greatest hero!!!

The Avatar, obviously. If the Avatar wasn't the greatest warrior in the universe, who would the Space Marine heroes curb stomp/strangle/viciously feth up the ass to show how badass they are?

Fafnir wrote:The Avatar, obviously. If the Avatar wasn't the greatest warrior in the universe, who would the Space Marine heroes curb stomp/strangle/viciously feth up the ass to show how badass they are?

Calgar killed an Avatar with his own bare hands.

Brother Coa wrote:

Fafnir wrote:The Avatar, obviously. If the Avatar wasn't the greatest warrior in the universe, who would the Space Marine heroes curb stomp/strangle/viciously feth up the ass to show how badass they are?

Calgar killed an Avatar with his own bare hands.

Well, they weren't "bare" he had his Gauntlets on... he isn't Chuck Norris... ok, uncalled for, I know.

Brother Coa wrote:One little mistake - C'Tan is a GOD. So he can't count for heroes are MORTAL beings that do GOOD stuff.
And you forgot Gabriel Angelos - in my opinion the greatest hero!!!

Much as it is a knee biter to admit, the C'tan are mortal. They have no known natural age limit, but they Can be killed. And to the Necron race the C'tan are heroes, but I will admit they may be biased a tad.

Khârn is displeased with this Poll.

Kill. Maim. Burn. Ad infinitum

Hazard a guess at my vote. Even if you kill him, it's likely that in your elation he'll take over you and you'll morph into good old Lucius.

Lucius, may not be THE mightiest, but you can't kill him without damning yourself to the slowest, most painful death ever imaginable as your face and body contort and change back into Lucius as his spirit possesses your body and your soul is locked away in his armor to feel the pain for all eternity.

The thing about Lucius is, if gets killed by either a Tyrannid or Necron he is pretty buggered. Pretty much anything that doesn't revell in victory. Also I wonder if Khârn could kill Lucius? He only lives to kill, and takes no satisfaction in it. Simple cuts off the head and moves on.

Plus; He can't be that good at fighting, he's died a fair few times.

YARRIK!! He inplanted a LASER in his eye to appease the Ork tales that "E'll kill you jus' by lookin' atcha"

Where's Vect? Not only is he a bad-mama-jama in CC but he would manipulate the others into fighting for his benefit. Who's the better warrior - one who chops up his opponent or the one who tricks him into chopping someone up?

Dante. If the prophecy is correct...

Guardsman Serial Number #23400/ijp/98/a3

Emperors Faithful wrote:Guardsman Serial Number #23400/ijp/98/a3

Your avatar...different?!?

RAEG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You were one of the few left I could identify by avatar!

Actually, I hadn't even thought that my avatar might link into this thread.

Besides, I change my avatar often enough. Not much more than you really. Besides, I'd moved on from my Imperial Fureagle fetish for now.

I said Yriels but he is the best at fighting in outer space not in hand to hand for that i would have to say Ausermen i mean the man jump started a whole races army. He is also the only pheonix lord that hasn't died yet. He trained some of the most deadliest warriors ever there for i say he is the best.

Emperors Faithful wrote:Actually, I hadn't even thought that my avatar might link into this thread.

Besides, I change my avatar often enough. Not much more than you really. Besides, I'd moved on from my Imperial Fureagle fetish for now.

True, but it seemed to me that you had the same one since I was a lurker, and I just noticed it was different.
Also, I finally saw the full size image of the aquilla pinup not too long ago

Eldrad wrote:He is also the only pheonix lord that hasn't died yet.

Where are you getting this bit from?

Well, that depends on how you mean "Nightbringer" really.

If you're referring to the actual C'tan in all its star-eating glory, it wins. No contest. Nothing else on the list can even fight it, much less win.

If, however, you're referring to the shell of living metal that the Nightbringer can possess in order to lead the Necrons into battle, which is what the Nightbringer unit represents in 40k, then I don't think that's the most powerful fighter.

So assuming we're dealing with the Nightbringer simulcra, I have to give the title to Ghazghkull. He's a fourteen-foot-tall mountain of muscle and hate, armed with the most brutal weapons available to the Orkish race, aided by his enormous psychic power bolstered by the massed belief of his millions and millions of followers, and bolstered by his insane, unshakable force of will. He's massacred whole regiments of the Imperial Guard, he's smashed the most powerful Orks for hundreds of light-years and absorbed their tribes into his sector-crushing Waagh, and he broke the back of Grand Master Belial in single combat. Calgar may be his better in strategic acumen, Dante might outdo him in speed and tactical ability, but nothing and no-one short of a Primarch could stand against Ghazghkull in a rage.

BeRzErKeR wrote:Well, that depends on how you mean "Nightbringer" really.

If you're referring to the actual C'tan in all its star-eating glory, it wins. No contest. Nothing else on the list can even fight it, much less win.

If, however, you're referring to the shell of living metal that the Nightbringer can possess in order to lead the Necrons into battle, which is what the Nightbringer unit represents in 40k, then I don't think that's the most powerful fighter.

So assuming we're dealing with the Nightbringer simulcra, I have to give the title to Ghazghkull. He's a fourteen-foot-tall mountain of muscle and hate, armed with the most brutal weapons available to the Orkish race, aided by his enormous psychic power bolstered by the massed belief of his millions and millions of followers, and bolstered by his insane, unshakable force of will. He's massacred whole regiments of the Imperial Guard, he's smashed the most powerful Orks for hundreds of light-years and absorbed their tribes into his sector-crushing Waagh, and he broke the back of Grand Master Belial in single combat. Calgar may be his better in strategic acumen, Dante might outdo him in speed and tactical ability, but nothing and no-one short of a Primarch could stand against Ghazghkull in a rage.

cept for Yarrick

Commissars in general tend to be just that kind of badass.

I voted for the C'tan.

C'tan are gods in either form. Nightbringer can't be killed. When the 'dermis breaks, his essence/spirit leaves to just return later. IMO, he shouldn't be on this lsit.

For non god hero, I say a tie between Calgar and Ghazghkull.

For your failure to include him, Khârn will kill, maim and burn you and your children and your children's children and so on... Oh, and where is An'ggrath the Unbound?

Oh, and as I feel like increasing my bad fluff blasphemy-meter: Lord Grand Master Draigo of the Grey Knights, if the rumored fluff is correct. Guess the GK codex failed it's Ward save...

Tmonster wrote:The avatar of khaine is a small piece of the eldar god of war. Nuf Said

Its weird that every time the Eldar summon the avatar it doesn't take too long for the opposing side to bring it down. But then again i only have a few examples of this.

Fafnir wrote:The Avatar, obviously. If the Avatar wasn't the greatest warrior in the universe, who would the Space Marine heroes curb stomp/strangle/viciously feth up the ass to show how badass they are?

This.

In fact, I've devised a formula for calculating the level of power a codex has.

First, you need to know the three variables involved, they are Avatars jobbed (Aj), the Ward Factor (Wf), and lastly, the Quotient of Wallbanging (Q).

Now, in order to find the Quotient of Wallbanging, you need to multiply the amount of Avatars jobbed by the Ward Factor.

So, let's say that Calgar had a slow day, so he only managed to strangle 6 Avatars today. So our Aj variable will be 6.
Now, since this is the Ultramarines we're talking about, the Ward Factor will be pretty high. And since this is Calgar we're talking about, it'll be through the roof. I'd say about 13.78. That's pretty high.

So, we just put all this complex information into a simple equation, like this:

Aj*Wf=Q

Putting the numbers in their proper place:

(6)*(13.78)=Q

So our Quotient of Wallbanging would be around 82.68, and that's pretty damn high, even coming from Matt Ward.

Now, you're probably wondering what this means, right? Well, basically, it tells you how many times you're likely to bang your head on the wall in seething rage/hatred/sexual frustration before you finish reading the codex. If you're the poor soul who'll end up reading this specific codex, you'll probably end up dead on the floor before you even reach the wargear selection.

See, simple physics right there.

rargh! where is angron and kharn?

Mark1130 wrote:I voted for the C'tan.

C'tan are gods in either form. Nightbringer can't be killed. When the 'dermis breaks, his essence/spirit leaves to just return later. IMO, he shouldn't be on this lsit.

I agree the 'gods' shouldn't really be on this list they are kind of in a category all to themselves. No Khaine, no Nightbringer, no Daemon Princes as they kind of transcend being a definable physical individual, just a physical representation of something far bigger.

That said, I think 'warrior' is too broad a term. Who is the most skilly? Probably Lileath, who is the toughest? probably Ghazz, the military genius? Farsight or Yriel... They are all so different. Who would I bet on in a straightforeward brawl between the lot of them? Ghazz hands down.

Guitardian wrote:

Mark1130 wrote:I voted for the C'tan.

C'tan are gods in either form. Nightbringer can't be killed. When the 'dermis breaks, his essence/spirit leaves to just return later. IMO, he shouldn't be on this lsit.

I agree the 'gods' shouldn't really be on this list they are kind of in a category all to themselves. No Khaine, no Nightbringer, no Daemon Princes as they kind of transcend being a definable physical individual, just a physical representation of something far bigger.

That said, I think 'warrior' is too broad a term. Who is the most skilly? Probably Lileath, who is the toughest? probably Ghazz, the military genius? Farsight or Yriel... They are all so different. Who would I bet on in a straightforeward brawl between the lot of them? Ghazz hands down.

sir i disagree with you, angron would win hands down as he is NOT a god but a deamon primarch which confuses me as to why he isn't on the list

I voted for Lelith, because she's a monster one on one in CC.








I also really hate her a lot.

Fafnir wrote:In fact, I've devised a formula for calculating the level of power a codex has.

First, you need to know the three variables involved, they are Avatars jobbed (Aj), the Ward Factor (Wf), and lastly, the Quotient of Wallbanging (Q).

Now, in order to find the Quotient of Wallbanging, you need to multiply the amount of Avatars jobbed by the Ward Factor.

So, let's say that Calgar had a slow day, so he only managed to strangle 6 Avatars today. So our Aj variable will be 6.
Now, since this is the Ultramarines we're talking about, the Ward Factor will be pretty high. And since this is Calgar we're talking about, it'll be through the roof. I'd say about 13.78. That's pretty high.

So, we just put all this complex information into a simple equation, like this:

Aj*Wf=Q

Putting the numbers in their proper place:

(6)*(13.78)=Q

So our Quotient of Wallbanging would be around 82.68, and that's pretty damn high, even coming from Matt Ward.

Now, you're probably wondering what this means, right? Well, basically, it tells you how many times you're likely to bang your head on the wall in seething rage/hatred/sexual frustration before you finish reading the codex. If you're the poor soul who'll end up reading this specific codex, you'll probably end up dead on the floor before you even reach the wargear selection.

See, simple physics right there.

Win.

its Ghazghull no ifs ands or butts, he started his career by being shot in the head by a bolter ( IIRC) and after "repairs" he started hearing the will of Gork and mork, beat, killed and bullied any orcs in his path to follow him and waged a sector wide assault on the IOM, all this from spore...

Most of the others on the list are super-enhanced thingma-bobs or GODS, or splinters of gods etc, But Ghazy has style, and drive, and nobody tells him what to do, except maybe Gork and mork, and Ghaz has the stones to tell them to zog off if he wanted too!

And on a side note, in a mega game I played against a awesome orc player that had Ghazghull leading his forces, and during the game a Reaver titan stepped on old thrakka who used his invul save to survive it,and then attacked the titan in the following round and inflicted 3-4 structure points to it causing a chain-reaction that crippled it, ( we imagined Ghazghull hanging from its foot ripping stuff outta it and cursing at it all the way ), this was followed with cheers from everyone at the table (except for the Titan's owner who got all butthurt), now that is man..er Ork.

Also Yarrick lives because Ghazzy let him, ole thrakka respects his foes and likes to keep the best around to keep his life interesting

Harlequin Solitaire's are badass. And they would be in the running for the best. But there are living Primarchs in both flesh (original) form and those that have succumbed to daemonhood. Those that are daemons are extremely vulnerable to Grey Knights and their Nemesis weapons, so the "living" Primarchs are probably the biggest baddest dudes out there. And if we go strictly with close combat prowess it is the Wolf King or The Lion.

Eldrad?

ZacktheChaosChild wrote:Lucius, may not be THE mightiest, but you can't kill him without damning yourself to the slowest, most painful death ever imaginable as your face and body contort and change back into Lucius as his spirit possesses your body and your soul is locked away in his armor to feel the pain for all eternity.

I have alwasy wondered what would happen of you killed Lucius and then commited suicide? Also what happens if an automated defense system kills him, or a meteor shower, or a natural disaster. Or what if the ship he is on is destroyed? So many flaws to his i'll be back rule that haven't been exploited

Vrakk wrote:Where's Vect? Not only is he a bad-mama-jama in CC but he would manipulate the others into fighting for his benefit. Who's the better warrior - one who chops up his opponent or the one who tricks him into chopping someone up?

This.

I think yriel deserves a bit more respect. He may not ne the best combatant but he's damn good, and he is the most heroic, triumphantly returning from exile, cutting through a.massive swath of nids to slay their leader who could not be harmed by mortal weapons. Single handedly saved iyanden.

Yriel had some bad luck with table top representation, but he is an absolute beast by the fluff.

I'd bet he'd give gazzy a run for his money in single combat, due to his agility and the devestating nature of the spear of twilight, he's probably a better strategist than huron blackheart and creed.

The only reason yriel hasn't killed any avatars is because their on the same team

That said, where is skulltaker. Khorne's champs and princes deserve more mention

The greatest warrior is Khorne.

The best model? Tyranid Heirophant.

Reecius wrote:The greatest warrior is Khorne.

The best model? Tyranid Heirophant.

agree with khorne but disagree with the nidly beast. best model is Angron

Calgar for the win!

Sledgio wrote:Kharn is not worthy of being on the list, Abaddon would beast him any day!!

Then why put Lucius on there?

I voted for the Avatar of Khaine as it is battle and war incarnate

Gotta be Grimnar, hes responsible for winning the real armageddon war (chaos trumps orcs every time IMO) and he led the defense against the 13th black crusade and during these fights he was in the thick of it like a true son of fenris. Its hard to deny SW excellence in close combat and all the SW look at LG and say "damn that guys badass" and if psycho blackmane (IMO the imperiums answer to kharn) thinks your badass then your probably pretty badass.

Oh and since hes not on the list but i think he probably owns id have to say Bulveye, hes had 10000 years in the warp, conquered the wulfen in himself, grown to 11 foot tall and then kicks chaos's comparitively bald arses on their own turf.

Hes older and more killy than anyone in the imperium and he hes a friggin wulfen, dont act like your not impressed lol His axe is awesome too.

Until Khârn and/or at least one of the Daemon Prince Primarchs are added to this list I find myself unable to vote.

Except of course the Ctan Bulveye makes all of these guys look week, hes a 10k+ old SW whose about 11 foot tall with a big bloody axe and lives in the Warp killing everything that moves, And if were going to bring DP Primarchs into this shouldnt we bring the surviving loyalist into it to?

Kaldor Draigo, he's a pretty cool guy.

Medium of Death wrote:
Khârn is displeased with this Poll.

Kill. Maim. Burn. Ad infinitum

I vote for kharn we form a seccesionist group called add kharn to the list he's a beast.

There are so many mighty warriors (mortal or not, as long as they can be killed in some way eg. banished, mortal death) in the 40k universe now, it would be heresy not to include them all, even those not that mighty but still relatively mighty (such as Kharn). For one, include Angg'rath, Kharn, Vect, Daemon Primarch(s), Dante, Tigurius...

But, if given a choice, il go with the psyker mephiston, fluffwise psyker's are probably the most powerful, even Calgar or the C'tan cannot withstand the pure energies of the Warp, no matter how heroic they are.

I think just about anyone would lose to a C'tan, including Daemon Primarchs.

If you search C'tan on Lexi, it says the C'tan are especially vulnerable to warp magics and psykers, so i suppose a particularly strong psyker such as Mephiston would be able to defeat one or cause it to phase out(?).

Grey Knight character? especially their crazy ass adventures

or that Inquisitor with PA and Stormshield
from the IA

Me

17 people buy into the lame Ultramarine propaganda of the Space Marine Codex

Meph can kill a C'tan, but a C'tan can kill Ghaz, Draigo, and Abaddon, all of whom can kill Meph.

I went with Ghaz. However i fell the choices are very limited in the poll.

Its gotta be Ghaz. who else can unite an entire species of orks in universe wide Waaggh!

The Swarmlord has come closer than anything else to killing Calgar Sue, i'd say that counts for something kekeke

Ghaz of course he is the biggest meanest green skin

Ghazghkull Thraka. Failing that, its who ever iz da biggist n' da strongest (and the greenist, with the most teef, and more dakka than anyone else)

Logan Grimnar. Basically a regular space marine.

I have tremendous respect for commissar yarrick, who is a basic human who can rip apart a space marine captain in melee.

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:

Also Yarrick lives because Ghazzy let him, ole thrakka respects his foes and likes to keep the best around to keep his life interesting

And that's why Yarrick loses so many points in this contest, because that's the ork equivalent of a pityfeth.

Why is Kharn not on this list?

MeanGreenStompa wrote:

Soo'Vah'Cha wrote:

Also Yarrick lives because Ghazzy let him, ole thrakka respects his foes and likes to keep the best around to keep his life interesting

And that's why Yarrick loses so many points in this contest, because that's the ork equivalent of a pityfeth.

I see it as more of a compliment, the fact that the most badass ork let him live because he was a good fight.

C'tan are just jumped up solar life, driven insane by compression, worship, and bad eating habits.

The Skulltaker is the greatest warrior in 40,000. You know why he carries all those skulls? So he has something to scrape his arse clean after he gaks down your neck.

TBH, Why are we worried about who's the greatest "warrior" ? These guys, for all their uber choppy melee skills, can only be in one place at one time, and this is a galaxy spanning free for all. War isn't about who's the best warrior, it's about who can work together and fight as a unit instead of "Who's the best gloryhound".

Good point above.

I voted C'tan because as its been said before, you can't compare ageless gods on par with the old ones to mere mortals. This is just fluff wise though, because game wise, they really need a new codex!

None of the above. I'd say Skulltaker , he's so awsome he's got a cape made out of Skulls!

Tbh if we're just going "best one on one" dude the God-Emperor of Mankind easily takes the prize. Void Dragon smashed? Check. Mind of corrupted, twisted son being powered by the four Gods of Chaos popped, causing said gods to retreat in fear of becoming goo? Been there, done that.

Goku

AVATAR
Eldar God of war!!!
Though Hesperax is Completely sick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marbo

Pilau Rice wrote:

Sledgio wrote:Kharn is not worthy of being on the list, Abaddon would beast him any day!!

Then why put Lucius on there?

I voted for the Avatar of Khaine as it is battle and war incarnate

Because lucius' fluff means he is actually immortal (other than the flaws in this)

I Vote Khorne...

Bloodhorror wrote:I Vote Khorne...

Khorne? Pfft. Khorne's a wuss. I heard that in the new GK codex Draigo totally shouryukens Khorne right off his throne, so then Khorne and all his daemons have to go find a new home. Luckily Nurgle lets them set up shop in a corner of his burned out garden (which was burned down by Draigo btw) as long as he helps out with the rent (Draigo threatened to evict Nurgle if he didn't start paying rent). Still, Khorne had to start over his Skull Throne from skull one.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Tbh if we're just going "best one on one" dude the God-Emperor of Mankind easily takes the prize. Void Dragon smashed? Check. Mind of corrupted, twisted son being powered by the four Gods of Chaos popped, causing said gods to retreat in fear of becoming goo? Been there, done that.

He got strangled by a Warboss and needed to be bailed out by a Primarch.

So (this) Warboss > Emperor in terms of 1v1 combat.

I'd say Inquisitor Lord Coteaz. There is a reason why hes so very much feared.

Yarrick. anyone who can survive being on the receiving end of Ghazkull's headbutt is the most Bad@55 person in history.

Daba wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Tbh if we're just going "best one on one" dude the God-Emperor of Mankind easily takes the prize. Void Dragon smashed? Check. Mind of corrupted, twisted son being powered by the four Gods of Chaos popped, causing said gods to retreat in fear of becoming goo? Been there, done that.

He got strangled by a Warboss and needed to be bailed out by a Primarch.

So (this) Warboss > Emperor in terms of 1v1 combat.

Knew someone would say that. The psychic energy from the entire Waagh! probably messed with the Emperor's powers. At least that's what I tell myself...

Grimnars just standard marine? lol if you say so, my moneys on him just because nothing ever even come close to hurting the dude, that counts for alot IMO...

The problem with this comparison is: what do you mean by Greatest Warrior?

Marneus Calgar is a beast, but he is probably best known as a Leader and Inspiration.

The Swarmlord is basically immortal and can domiante most in close combat, in addition to his indominatable control of his army. He might even be a first except...

Well, the C'Tan are Gods. And though they aren't Invincible like perhaps the Chaos Gods are, but they easily dominate and destroy anyone else on the list, even at partial power.

Also up for major contention is...well, ANY of the 10,000 year old veterans in the ranks of the Chaos Space Marines. Powerful captains of the Heresy that have had 10,000 years of practice and experience in the warp and many are probably Demon Princes by now, making them as powerful as a "mortal" can get, with some (Angron, Petrubo, etc.) rivaling the C'Tan on SOME level.

So, yeah, it's all a matter of what qualifications you're really looking for. Like, the Deceiver is a C'Tan, but his power comes from manipulation. Angron is a Demon Prince AND a Primarch, but probably doesn't lead as well as say, Dante or Calgar or Abaddon.

Chuck Norris in Termie armour. Damn!

Ghazzy.

Than man's a walking tank, able to go blow to blow with titans and win, both in the fluff and in game. No other character on a 40mm base can say that.

I'm looking at you, ultrasmurf.

Lelithhhhh

revackey wrote:Lelithhhhh

At least fluff wise Im off the firm opinion that the avatar of khaine would pick up lelith hexspray by her legs and rip her in half ..., I mean sure shed be backflipping around but I doubt her wimpy knives are going to hurt a daemon made out fire and magic.


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Daba wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:Tbh if we're just going "best one on one" dude the God-Emperor of Mankind easily takes the prize. Void Dragon smashed? Check. Mind of corrupted, twisted son being powered by the four Gods of Chaos popped, causing said gods to retreat in fear of becoming goo? Been there, done that.

He got strangled by a Warboss and needed to be bailed out by a Primarch.

So (this) Warboss > Emperor in terms of 1v1 combat.

Thats ancient fluff iirc not to mention we have no idea how beast this warboss was, for all we know he could make Ghazkhull look like a grot by comparison ... and you make it sound like primarch's were regular infantry or something

Depends on your definition of Warrior, but he can trounce any of these sword packing, close combat fools.

The One, the only, Battlefiedl David Copperfield of the 40k universe who can hide a Titan in plain sight....

CREED

Because not even the Emprah can hide a Titan Legion in his Pocket
(yeah I totally went there.....Didn't think I would? Well i just did!)

No mention of Kharne, no vect, and no swarmlord(aka the beast that owned Calgar FYI)?????

why no kharn, but failabadon is on the list?

theres a reason why ababadon is not a deamon prince, he failed 13 times.

bigmek35 wrote:why no kharn, but failabadon is on the list?

theres a reason why ababadon is not a deamon prince, he failed 13 times.

LOL! so true.... and no angron on the list either even though he IS represented in game with rules

“Ohhh. Great warrior.Wars not make one great.”

What about the Swarm Lord?

Punch it with Ghazzy. Nuff said.

Whoever Mat Ward is currently jerking off to.

I`m goin with logan cause he`s the only caracter i respect on there. But if i could add another it would be Vulkan. He`s beyond epic

Swarmlord, psychic and choppy death all rolled into one superfast, hyperintelligent, 20 foot monster.

No, it's gotta be my imperial fist with meltagun, just that one model. He had his razorback and his whole squuad blown away so he charged forward and subsequently shot down a land speeder, a thunderwolf cavalry guy and immobilised a vindicator. He was then chharged by a thunderwolf but held out for two turns until a rune priest and 10 skyclaws turned up, so he sacrificed himself ordering a vindicator to fire at a nearby squad and scatter onto him killing about half the skyclaws and the thunderwolf and unfortunately my marine. Although a C'tan may be better, I bet you none of your heroes or warriors have ever made back their point worth that many times over. Only downside is that I don't want to use him anymore because if he fails then his legacy will be over.

tantan628 wrote:No, it's gotta be my imperial fist with meltagun, just that one model. He had his razorback and his whole squuad blown away so he charged forward and subsequently shot down a land speeder, a thunderwolf cavalry guy and immobilised a vindicator. He was then chharged by a thunderwolf but held out for two turns until a rune priest and 10 skyclaws turned up, so he sacrificed himself ordering a vindicator to fire at a nearby squad and scatter onto him killing about half the skyclaws and the thunderwolf and unfortunately my marine. Although a C'tan may be better, I bet you none of your heroes or warriors have ever made back their point worth that many times over. Only downside is that I don't want to use him anymore because if he fails then his legacy will be over.

My carnifex killed a dreadnought and two tactical squads, all by himself.

I've seen a Tau gun drone kill carnifex all on his own.

Cain should be on this list. Seriously: "I thought the acolytes of Khorne were supposed to be warriors, not a bunch of pansies.",
— Commissar Ciaphas Cain, to a Khorne Berserker, during the Chaos attack on Adumbria

Lucius the Eternal, all he has to do is get squashed by any of the above heroes and they will mutate into him. He wins no-matter what.

thehod wrote:Lucius the Eternal, all he has to do is get squashed by any of the above heroes and they will mutate into him. He wins no-matter what.

So long as he doesn't walk onto a landmine. Or isn't indiscriminately vapourized by an orbital bombardment. Or doesn't trip and break his neck while taking a shower.

Or get killed by a C'tan-

No way back from Ctan smackdown, no way, no how

If the Nightbringer was mutating into him, which he wouldn't as you don't get any kind of survive after death shenanigans from Ctan, he'd just abandon his body in a ball of solar flame and reform elsewhere

Ghazgkull, Swarmlord or Lucius.

Ghaz just for sheer brute strength.
Swarmlord because it's the freaking Swarmlord.
Lucius because, even if he loses, he wins.

Fafnir wrote:

thehod wrote:Lucius the Eternal, all he has to do is get squashed by any of the above heroes and they will mutate into him. He wins no-matter what.

So long as he doesn't walk onto a landmine. Or isn't indiscriminately vapourized by an orbital bombardment. Or doesn't trip and break his neck while taking a shower.

Or killed by Tyranids, Necrons or anything else without emotions.

Your missing a few from the list.

Also I note there have been a fair few posts like this.

If this is about anybody I say either Angron, Magnus or Mortarion. If it's about someone with rules I say Kaldor Draigo or Castellan Crowe, both utterly incorruptable warriors beyond compare.

Kharn? Angron? The Emperor? (nah, lol jks,)

I tell ya, the winner has to be KHORNE!

Kharn the betrayer

A strange point to raise about Lucius is that since its 'whoever takes pleasure from his death' or something, then surely lets say a Necron #1531007 puts him down with a gauss blaster and the chaos army is entirely slaughtered and the Necron's wander off.

Imperial army comes along to kill/purge any taint and discover Lucius was killed during the fighting, surely taking pleasure from THAT would turn them into Lucius? I mean you'd be happy if you found out a historic enemy has been slain and it didn't even cost you a single bolt or las round.

If that works, its just terrifying.

I hate the Ultra Marines, and I really hate Marneus Calgar, and my hatred for him goes all the way back to the early 90s, when GW released the UM Codex and made him a Tyranid killer, which was my Army at the time. I voted for Logan, mainly because I think the SW have some of the coolest Marine fluff, and I have a SW army, and I have always liked Logan.

Though I think Bjorn the Fell handed ain't nothing to feth with. Dude is 10k years old, fought alongside Leman Russ, and is in a freaking Dreadnaught.

pious... that is all

Chaos Lord Gir wrote:A strange point to raise about Lucius is that since its 'whoever takes pleasure from his death' or something, then surely lets say a Necron #1531007 puts him down with a gauss blaster and the chaos army is entirely slaughtered and the Necron's wander off.

Slaanesh does not need to resurrect him in that matter. It just chooses to do so because it suits its sick sense of humour. Slaanesh could dump Lucius' soul in a random (not protected) body where it has sufficient power (so presumably, places like the Eye of Terror) if it wanted to.

The special guy in the most recent codex.
Until the next codex comes out.

nightbringer fully awakened would destroy everybody

Deamon Primarch anyone?

TRISKELION7 wrote:Your missing a few from the list.

Also I note there have been a fair few posts like this.

If this is about anybody I say either Angron, Magnus or Mortarion. If it's about someone with rules I say Kaldor Draigo or Castellan Crowe, both utterly incorruptable warriors beyond compare.

angron does have rules, just a matter of finding the rules in white dwarf

mrsmith wrote:Marbo

+1

Ghazzy!! Woohooo!

I vote Lelith only cause in close combat she is so over powered if anyone has fought her and been on the wrong side of the assault.

I voted for Gazzy, but I think Lucius the Eternal is the most powerful of them all... but nobody can rival Gazzy's reputation

Where the hell is Gabriel Angelos?

Logan all the way baby he's the great wolf

Captain Cortez. And I don't even play Spess Mareens.

What about that bloodthirster hero character, he's the primary character of the deamon army.

I know his name: Scarbrand!

Just wait till Kharn hears he was left out of this...

a c'tan due to the ability to ignore inv saves

Fluff-wise, the Avatar of Khaine. I mean, he was only beaten like twice: once by the Masque, and twice by I think was the Doom of Malan'tai. Otherwise it would be luscious the Eternal, because he can only be truly killed by an unfeeling warrior.

Gameboard-wise, it's a little tougher to say since you need to take tactics into account. I'd say either the Swarmlord or Lelith if you're talking pure CC. Probably the most well-rounded warrior is Calgar.

Re the Avatar: also by every SM hero that they want to promote as being badass, several hive fleets, few Daemons...

I think you mean Lucius, but that works too.

Whoevers codex Matt Ward was allowed to ruin

...or Valdor, but he's fluff-only

...or Lysander. Cuz he's Lysander and will smash with his big ass hammer. He's like Thor and the Hulk rolled into one.


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NagothDaCleaver wrote:Where the hell is Kharn?
This list is incomplete

Kharn has no inv. save. Insta-death by railgun.

im2randomghgh wrote:Whoevers codex Matt Ward was allowed to ruin

...or Valdor, but he's fluff-only

...or Lysander. Cuz he's Lysander and will smash with his big ass hammer. He's like Thor and the Hulk rolled into one.


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NagothDaCleaver wrote:Where the hell is Kharn?
This list is incomplete

Kharn has no inv. save. Insta-death by railgun.

Or lascannon XD.

Ollanius Pius.

Melissia wrote:Ollanius Pius.

Yes. I agree with this. Ollanius Pius the original bad-ass who ran up to horus and was blown into thousands of pieces as he tried to save the emperor!

Gotta remember that greatest warrior doesn't necessarily mean they're the best fighter.Ciaphas Cain was a great fighter, probably the greatest swordsman of his time, but he wouldn't necessarily be the best warrior of his time.

Either Abaddon or a C'tan.

Adaddon, because in terms of raw power I would think would be on par with the Emperor. Given the fact Horus at similar power was able to put the Emperor into undeath in a fight, where if lore was official, Horus only lost because his armor was sabotaged by a loyalist armorsmith.

A C'tan as mentioned, is a being of such vast power they consume stars and as such have power beyond most mentioned heroes.

Some on the list like Farsight and several other heroes would most likely perish (if we are going based only on fluff) without a fight even be made. Despite super weapons etc..

Abaddon a supposed clone of horus who set the galaxy aflame!!!

Horus was a primarch... he was already powerful before his gifts from Chaos. Abbadon... not so much. If Abbadon was as capable as Horus he would have gotten past Cadia by now.

Melissia wrote:Horus was a primarch... he was already powerful before his gifts from Chaos. Abbadon... not so much. If Abbadon was as capable as Horus he would have gotten past Cadia by now.

And he didn't have to launch 13 unsuccessful campaigns. Sure it rocked the imperium but the Imperium still won.

um...The Emperor? He defeated the Void Dragon w/o power armor/special weapons/anything but regular metal armour and a metal sword and knocked it all the way to mars...from earth.

Also, he is such a powerful psyker that he is holding all four chaos gods out of the material world...at the same time.

Also, he obliterated Horus' mind,body,and soul so that he couldn't be re-made.

Also, when he fought Horus, he didn't actually fight back until he saw what horus did to one of his custodes/IF termie. He thought he could argue Horus back to the imperium. he was wrong, so he destroyed Lupercal's soul.

Also, he's the God-Emperor of Man.

And technically, he's not a God, just an UBER psyker so technically he's mortal so technically he can be considered for this list.

Melissia wrote:Horus was a primarch... he was already powerful before his gifts from Chaos. Abbadon... not so much. If Abbadon was as capable as Horus he would have gotten past Cadia by now.

Yeah I didn't think about that.

Horus prolly had a ton more strength. I'd still rank Abaddon pretty high though simply because he has to be stupid powerful to control all of the traitors or at least the bulk.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

Melissia wrote:Horus was a primarch... he was already powerful before his gifts from Chaos. Abbadon... not so much. If Abbadon was as capable as Horus he would have gotten past Cadia by now.

Yeah I didn't think about that.

Horus prolly had a ton more strength. I'd still rank Abaddon pretty high though simply because he has to be stupid powerful to control all of the traitors or at least the bulk.

Then Creed definitely has more power!
Let us not forget that the greatest warriors sometimes don't have to fight. Not only that But The Space Wolves have Abbaddon beat.


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im2randomghgh wrote:um...The Emperor? He defeated the Void Dragon w/o power armor/special weapons/anything but regular metal armour and a metal sword and knocked it all the way to mars...from earth.

Also, he is such a powerful psyker that he is holding all four chaos gods out of the material world...at the same time.

Also, he obliterated Horus' mind,body,and soul so that he couldn't be re-made.

Also, when he fought Horus, he didn't actually fight back until he saw what horus did to one of his custodes/IF termie. He thought he could argue Horus back to the imperium. he was wrong, so he destroyed Lupercal's soul.

Also, he's the God-Emperor of Man.

And technically, he's not a God, just an UBER psyker so technically he's mortal so technically he can be considered for this list.

The emperor is just a scientist and he is descended from a thousand shamans that all died at the same time and created the Emperor.

Every single Gaunt's Ghost. Especially MkVenner and Mkoll.

Gotta go with Mr. Thraka. He da' 'ardest!

Asherian Command wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:um...The Emperor? He defeated the Void Dragon w/o power armor/special weapons/anything but regular metal armour and a metal sword and knocked it all the way to mars...from earth.

Also, he is such a powerful psyker that he is holding all four chaos gods out of the material world...at the same time.

Also, he obliterated Horus' mind,body,and soul so that he couldn't be re-made.

Also, when he fought Horus, he didn't actually fight back until he saw what horus did to one of his custodes/IF termie. He thought he could argue Horus back to the imperium. he was wrong, so he destroyed Lupercal's soul.

Also, he's the God-Emperor of Man.

And technically, he's not a God, just an UBER psyker so technically he's mortal so technically he can be considered for this list.

The emperor is just a scientist and he is descended from a thousand shamans that all died at the same time and created the Emperor.

Ummm...are you forgetting that he single-handedly forged the imperium of man, he beat the warlords of Old Earth w/ very little help, and he was at the front of the Great Crusade, smiting all in his path? Atleast half the Primarchs challenged him duels when he claimed to be their father, and he always won. He used his psychic might to FORCE 100,000 Word Bearers, and their Primarch Lorgar, to kneel in the dust of a city loyal to the Word Bearers that was annihilated by the Ultramarines.


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Also, Castellan Vauban of the Jourdan Dragoons nearly killed Honsou in a duel, and Honsou only ended up winning because he broke Vauban using his Astartes physiology. Vauban also took off Honsou's arm.

Also, Gaunt, 'nuff said.


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BeefCakeSoup wrote:Either Abaddon or a C'tan.

Adaddon, because in terms of raw power I would think would be on par with the Emperor.

LEARN YOUR FLUFF! The Emperor is as powerful as chaos undivided, which means all the gods+all the entities not affiliated w/ the gods.

And he still got his ass handed to him by an Ork Warboss..


WAaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh!

im2randomghgh wrote:

Asherian Command wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:um...The Emperor? He defeated the Void Dragon w/o power armor/special weapons/anything but regular metal armour and a metal sword and knocked it all the way to mars...from earth.

Also, he is such a powerful psyker that he is holding all four chaos gods out of the material world...at the same time.

Also, he obliterated Horus' mind,body,and soul so that he couldn't be re-made.

Also, when he fought Horus, he didn't actually fight back until he saw what horus did to one of his custodes/IF termie. He thought he could argue Horus back to the imperium. he was wrong, so he destroyed Lupercal's soul.

Also, he's the God-Emperor of Man.

And technically, he's not a God, just an UBER psyker so technically he's mortal so technically he can be considered for this list.

The emperor is just a scientist and he is descended from a thousand shamans that all died at the same time and created the Emperor.

Ummm...are you forgetting that he single-handedly forged the imperium of man, he beat the warlords of Old Earth w/ very little help, and he was at the front of the Great Crusade, smiting all in his path? Atleast half the Primarchs challenged him duels when he claimed to be their father, and he always won. He used his psychic might to FORCE 100,000 Word Bearers, and their Primarch Lorgar, to kneel in the dust of a city loyal to the Word Bearers that was annihilated by the Ultramarines.

The Emperor is scientist and a really powerful Pysker. Thats All i believe the emperor is. He made the legions. And all sorts of other things.
He is not a god.
And Abbaddon is a failure.

Does anyone remember when fluff wasn't THIS fethed up?

When the Emperor was a dead human warlord, on a throne that was built AFTER he was beat down?

I honestly expect them to say 'oh and by the way, he was 90 ft tall..' officially some time, and the Golden Throne will suddenly expand. E's fluff seems to be something of a circlejerk among the BL writers.



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I also liked the marines as xenophobic, intolerant a-holes who's attitude towards xenos was to eradicate them, no questions asked, and who were as likely to get killed in the fluff as the guys they were fighting.

The RT art usually had marines being shot, stabbed, burned, violated... I miss that stuff. These days it's usually a school-photo action shot on a hill. with the chapter master at the too, and one (there's always one ) making a silly face.

Not a rant, so much as a remeniscence to better days..

Ascalam wrote:
I also liked the marines as xenophobic, intolerant a-holes who's attitude towards xenos was to eradicate them, no questions asked, and who were as likely to get killed in the fluff as the guys they were fighting.

REASONABLE MARINES!!!

What fools voted for lucius the eternal? He's horrible.


Abaddon. More powerful than horus himself? Sounds pretty cool.

Samus_aran115 wrote:What fools voted for lucius the eternal? He's horrible.


Abaddon. More powerful than horus himself? Sounds pretty cool.

So was Valdor, as Valdor actually BEAT Horus in a Sparring Match!

Samus_aran115 wrote:What fools voted for lucius the eternal? He's horrible.


Abaddon. More powerful than horus himself? Sounds pretty cool.

And yet it's false.

I would say Lucius is powerful, but he's not really a warrior in my mind-- not as much as some of the others. Yarrick's a better warrior than Lucius even if Lucius is potentially more powerful.

The emperor, i would say^^

C'Tan Nightbringer may be the mightiest warrior in the galaxy, but he can never be an Ultramarine.

He can pretend :0)

Why he'd want to be an untrasmurf defeats me though

Why isn't the Emperor on this list?

Because of all the fanboys?

He was a powerful warrior (especially is you read the redonculous BL books) but currently is a dead and withered parsnip in a big golden life support machine.
His ability to fight anyone right now unassisted (in the material world) is next to nil.

As to 'but he can singlehandedly feth up all four chaos gods' arguments, they're getting fed by the imperium way to well, to want to kill the golden goose

Horus isn't up there either

If we're going to include deity level powers i call Gork

The Emprah, not only because he is an UBER psyker, but because he defeated the Void Dragon (see: Mechanicum), who is the most powerful C'tan, more powerful than Nightbringer.

n3koj1n wrote:Captain Cortez. And I don't even play Spess Mareens.

He is the most badass for sure but maybe not the toughest.

But that's the thing, the greatest warrior isn't necessarily the strongest one... what makes a good warrior is more than just strength.

Melissia wrote:But that's the thing, the greatest warrior isn't necessarily the strongest one... what makes a good warrior is more than just strength.

Agreed. because if Marneus Calgar were unagmented, he wouldn't be all that great. If Gaunt had been a Custode, he would be insane/unstoppable.

If the dragon hadn't been damaged first...

If the emperor's fluff wasn;t written by Imperium fanboys..

Lot of If

OK, so how about this:

Who, unagumented, unarmed and undressed is the baddest warrior

According to the new fluff in the Grey Night Codex, I might just have to vote for Lord Kaldur Draigo. Walking through the Warp killing everything in sight is pretty BA...and for everyone saying the Emporer...didn't he get beat? So Horus must have him trumped.

Easily the Avatar, he doesn't have any weapons/equipment anyway besides the Wailing Doom, but does he really need that to kick butt? No.

I once had Kayvaan Shrike charge Ghaz and kill him before Ghaz could even strike back...

in all seriousness tho it all depends on whos dex you are reading...

Ascalam wrote:If the dragon hadn't been damaged first...

If the emperor's fluff wasn;t written by Imperium fanboys..

Lot of If

OK, so how about this:

Who, unagumented, unarmed and undressed is the baddest warrior

If Matt Ward has anything to do w/ it, a run-of-the mill Ultrasmurf Tac marine.

If anyone elses opinion has anything to do w/ it, probably either Valdor or Karandras.

http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod1060030&rootCatGameStyle=

Damn! check dem stats! (I don't know how much he costs though, so he could be a complete waste of points and terrible on the TT, but fluff-wise he owns).

Admittedly any of the phoenix lords would be a tough fight but id say either Asurmen or Barroth (in terms of phoenix lord)


Asurmen since the guy is a great swordsmen and he can remove guys from the field with the diresword

Barroth since you would never even see him let alone catch him hes already got amazing reactions even for a eldar and he flies even if it took days he could wear anyone down with his guns.


but anyway theres alot of good warriors out there and it does depend on luck and circumstance.

Lucius of course,he can't die.

Plus he has Fulgrims Laer sword,anything once owned by Fulgrim makes you epic.

Alphacerberus wrote:Admittedly any of the phoenix lords would be a tough fight but id say either Asurmen or Barroth (in terms of phoenix lord)


Asurmen since the guy is a great swordsmen and he can remove guys from the field with the diresword

Barroth since you would never even see him let alone catch him hes already got amazing reactions even for a eldar and he flies even if it took days he could wear anyone down with his guns.


but anyway theres alot of good warriors out there and it does depend on luck and circumstance.

It's Baharroth. But anyway, the best Pheonix Lord imho is Karandras or Jain Zar, even though she has possibly the worst model in the game. Then there's Maugan Ra, who isn't that good, but has such a sexy model....

Melkhiordarkblade wrote:Lucius of course,he can't die.

Plus he has Fulgrims Laer sword,anything once owned by Fulgrim makes you epic.

He can, since if you take no satisfaction, he will stay dead.

Ghazghkull Mag Ur Thraka...Nuff Said.

Melkhiordarkblade wrote:Lucius of course,he can't die.

Plus he has Fulgrims Laer sword,anything once owned by Fulgrim makes you epic.

he doesn't have Fulgrim's laer sword, the deamon thing which took Fulgrim's body has it and i believe it also has the Fireblade

Lucius...it pains me to say it as a BA player...but if you kill him, and feel anything about it at all, ANYTHING, you become him

So just set a robot on him :0)

Or find someone emotionless (they do exist) to go after him..

I think it's only if you feel pleasure in his death. If you felt repugnance at killing him, or simply couldn't care less I doubt it would work

what if you simply don't notice that you turbo laser scattered onto him and vaporised him.

You would never even notice he was there.

Or you nuked the planet he happened to be on, all unaware

Exterminatus sometimes has a beneficial effect

I love how you didn't bother to put a Tyranid in the List of Epic Heroes, because i agree you can't make a TYranid a Hero in anyway but If you want to know who is the strongest Look no further than Old-one eye Rapid Regen, S 10 Crushing Claws and a Bitch of a model. No-one is better.

Also, a way to not care about killing Lucius would be if you accidentally stepped on him with your Imperator/Warmonger titan and just...didn't notice.

'Old-one eye Rapid Regen, S 10 Crushing Claws and a Bitch of a model.'

The last, possibly. When I still had him, and was assembling him he claimed more than a metaphorical pound of flesh with those lobster claws...

Fluffwise, he's not bad, but tends to be put down by 'Marines uber alles' like every xeno badass.

In play I've never really had much luck with him, when I still played nids..


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I'm assuming by 'bitch of a model' you mean 'bitch to assemble '

Kharn is displeased
as is Angron

Victorious against anyone
An unstoppable warrior-god
Leave none alive
Death to the foes of the Emperor!
Outrageously powerful
Route the Heretics!

I vote swarmlord

Grimnar
He's the best warrior out of a thousand crazy werewolf super soldiers
Nuff said.

im2randomghgh wrote:
He can, since if you take no satisfaction, he will stay dead.

Or Slaanesh will just resurrect Lucius anyway. It has the power to do so, it just prefers the irony of using Lucius' killer to bring him back.

Are we talking sheer battlefield effect or their skill relative to their means I.E. if Gaunt was an Astartes, he would probably be kicking more ass...


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SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
He can, since if you take no satisfaction, he will stay dead.

Or Slaanesh will just resurrect Lucius anyway. It has the power to do so, it just prefers the irony of using Lucius' killer to bring him back.

No, because when Slaaneshi Astartes die, Slaanesh tortures them for all eternity...and would probably prefer that to resurection.

I Agree, Dante

Lysander/Valdor/Sigismund

Tigerbones wrote:Lucius...it pains me to say it as a BA player...but if you kill him, and feel anything about it at all, ANYTHING, you become him

It would kind of suck if he met his end at the hands of a Tyranid or Necron, being emotionless and all.

-Loki- wrote:

Tigerbones wrote:Lucius...it pains me to say it as a BA player...but if you kill him, and feel anything about it at all, ANYTHING, you become him

It would kind of suck if he met his end at the hands of a Tyranid or Necron, being emotionless and all.

Well I think the whole emotion thing is just a methaphor.
Like how in Norse myth that Thor will die after he takes 9 steps away from Jormungandr.My friend just turns and say why not just stand still.
I think if a Tyranid did kill him or a Nercon he'd still be reborn.
GW were probably just trying to add poetic favour.

im2randomghgh wrote:
No, because when Slaaneshi Astartes die, Slaanesh tortures them for all eternity...and would probably prefer that to resurection.

Then how do you explain Lucius being resurrected so many times?

Fluff armour

Slaanesh likes sick kicks, so he's her favourite sitcom

Devastator wrote:Marneus Calgar

ultrasmurf -_-

I put Yarrick, simply because i am a guard fanboi, lol. But for me in the reality of it, is actually between Yarick and Mephiston, he has one of the best stat lines in the game, not to mention his pure badassery.


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I put Yarrick, simply because i am a guard fanboi, lol. But for me in the reality of it, is actually between Yarick and Mephiston, he has one of the best stat lines in the game, not to mention his pure badassery.

Melkhiordarkblade wrote:

-Loki- wrote:

Tigerbones wrote:Lucius...it pains me to say it as a BA player...but if you kill him, and feel anything about it at all, ANYTHING, you become him

It would kind of suck if he met his end at the hands of a Tyranid or Necron, being emotionless and all.

Well I think the whole emotion thing is just a methaphor.
Like how in Norse myth that Thor will die after he takes 9 steps away from Jormungandr.My friend just turns and say why not just stand still.
I think if a Tyranid did kill him or a Nercon he'd still be reborn.
GW were probably just trying to add poetic favour.

It is not a metaphor, pleasure is what brings him back to ife, since slaanesh is his patron, and the god of pleasure. Things like Necrons are Anathema to the Prince of Pleasure.

im2randomghgh wrote:It is not a metaphor, pleasure is what brings him back to ife, since slaanesh is his patron, and the god of pleasure. Things like Necrons are Anathema to the Prince of Pleasure.

Slaanesh is what brings him back. It's power is the cause of his repeated resurrection, not any innate power of Lucius. A Necron might not find itself becoming Lucius, but Lucius could be resurrected by Slaanesh in other ways.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:It is not a metaphor, pleasure is what brings him back to ife, since slaanesh is his patron, and the god of pleasure. Things like Necrons are Anathema to the Prince of Pleasure.

Slaanesh is what brings him back. It's power is the cause of his repeated resurrection, not any innate power of Lucius. A Necron might not find itself becoming Lucius, but Lucius could be resurrected by Slaanesh in other ways.

Lucius' special method is his only way of coming back, as CSMs are ALWAYS taken by their gods after they die and have horrific punishment heaped upon them for all eternity. Slaanesh would take MANY times more pleasure torturing him then wasting his/her/it's time resurrecting someone who had the ability to resurrect himself but sucked too bad to do so.

Also, Lucius is not special enough for Slaanesh to bother with, as there are probably more powerful noise marines than he. The only things I can see Slaanesh resurrecting are daemons and DPs, especially Fulgrim. Slaanesh, being the weakest (by far) CG, and wouldn't waste power resurrecting, when he/she/it can actually GAIN power by torturing Lucius' soul.

You all know Draigo is the best.

cgage00 wrote:You all know Draigo is the best.

Valdor Lysander Sigismund and each Primarch (other than Lorgar, he's a puss) could shred Draigo's soul.

im2randomghgh wrote:
Lucius' special method is his only way of coming back, as CSMs are ALWAYS taken by their gods after they die and have horrific punishment heaped upon them for all eternity. Slaanesh would take MANY times more pleasure torturing him then wasting his/her/it's time resurrecting someone who had the ability to resurrect himself but sucked too bad to do so.

Lucius doesn't come back by his own power. He is not a Psyker, certainly not one of that power. It is Slaanesh that brings back (not sure whether or not you use Lexicanum as a reliable source, but that agrees with me).
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Also, Lucius is not special enough for Slaanesh to bother with, as there are probably more powerful noise marines than he. The only things I can see Slaanesh resurrecting are daemons and DPs, especially Fulgrim. Slaanesh, being the weakest (by far) CG, and wouldn't waste power resurrecting, when he/she/it can actually GAIN power by torturing Lucius' soul.

Why is Kharn not on this list?

I'm inclined to discount gods, daemons and avatars since war and conflict is what they ARE, rather than what they practice. To me "Greatest Warrior" says they have developed great leadership and skill at arms.

Therefore, I'm going with Leleth Hesperax, since she commands both traits with considerable style. Calgar and Grimnar are the finest warrior-generals, Castellan Crowe and Mephiston are probably the greatest martial artists (in the Imperium), and Thraka and Abbadon are probably neck-and-neck for the highest body count. Yet, none of them put on as great of a show as Leleth.

cgage00 wrote:You all know Draigo is the best.

Who is this "Draigo?"
Aside from the duels with Mortarion and that other daemon prince, the rest of his legend takes place in the Warp, where force of will and clarity of purpose are the main instruments that bring about an effect. I'll give him props for endurance, though Crowe still has him beat for weapon skill, and matches him for resisting corruption.

....any one can kill a demon prince

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:
Lucius' special method is his only way of coming back, as CSMs are ALWAYS taken by their gods after they die and have horrific punishment heaped upon them for all eternity. Slaanesh would take MANY times more pleasure torturing him then wasting his/her/it's time resurrecting someone who had the ability to resurrect himself but sucked too bad to do so.

Lucius doesn't come back by his own power. He is not a Psyker, certainly not one of that power. It is Slaanesh that brings back (not sure whether or not you use Lexicanum as a reliable source, but that agrees with me).
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Also, Lucius is not special enough for Slaanesh to bother with, as there are probably more powerful noise marines than he. The only things I can see Slaanesh resurrecting are daemons and DPs, especially Fulgrim. Slaanesh, being the weakest (by far) CG, and wouldn't waste power resurrecting, when he/she/it can actually GAIN power by torturing Lucius' soul.

Lucius benefits Slaanesh while living by the emotions he feels. The excess he experiences strengthens Slaanesh in the same way the blood Kharn sheds strengthens Khorne.

Write-in Vote for Lysander, he's pretty much a bad

Makari the grot

I chose Vect but he's not on here because he's six thousand years old and still kicking names and taking ass.

Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

bob the heretic wrote:Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

but Angron can as can the night bringer

Ghazzy disagrees

I've broken Avatars of Khaine over his mega-armoured knee in many games. It would take the destruction on the craftworld to put him permanantly of of action, but he can be beat down.

Hell, i've killed him with a big mek before that accidentally shot himself into close combat with Burny Mc Biceps


As pointed out above a God (Nightbringer) beats Demigod any day

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

bob the heretic wrote:Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

but Angron can as can the night bringer

Yes Angron can but not the night bringer....The night bringer isnt the God of war unlike the Avatar of Khain

bob the heretic wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

bob the heretic wrote:Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

but Angron can as can the night bringer

Yes Angron can but not the night bringer....The night bringer isnt the God of war unlike the Avatar of Khain

The avatar of Khaine is a fraction of a god. Probably closer to a DP in fluff power.

The Emperor isn't on this list

He beat the Void Dragon, who is the most powerful C'tan, in combat with almost no damage done to him...He destroyed Horus...Mind, Body, and Soul...He single-handedly united the warlords of Terra and created the Imperium...He created custodes...He created Astartes...He led the GC...He single-handedly holds the CG out of the Materium w/o help, after having died...the list goes on...

'Yes Angron can but not the night bringer....The night bringer isnt the God of war unlike the Avatar of Khain '

No, he's the God of Death

And the reason that every single race (except the orks for some reason) is afraid of death.


The reason that Big E isn't on here is the rather depressing tendency of the fluffwriters to bend at the knees and worship him every chance they get, or at least I hope so.

Also bear in mind that most of the Emperor's deeds are so long ago that they are legends, and have since been maginified The doink got owned (not killed, but very nearly so) by a run of the mill Warboss also, remember

(Added note (unless they retconned this too).. Horus pretty much destroyed the Emperor also, and would have if the Emperor didn't finally summon up the dregs of his will to frazzle him. I'm sure they make it out as a lot more onesided in recent fluff, but in the older stuff i grew up on the Emperor was Horus's chewtoy for most of the battle

The Avatar of Khaine is a tiny fragment of the original, along with thousands of other on other craftworlds and settlements. He isn't Khaine anymore, just a travel-sized version of him that's low on batteries

bob the heretic wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

bob the heretic wrote:Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

but Angron can as can the night bringer

Yes Angron can but not the night bringer....The night bringer isnt the God of war unlike the Avatar of Khain

my night bringer has ALWAYS owned the Avatar of Khain in less then a turn

Ascalam wrote:
The reason that Big E isn't on here is the rather depressing tendency of the fluffwriters to bend at the knees and worship him every chance they get, or at least I hope so.

So random aliens can be that powerful, but the amalgamation of hundreds or thousands of Shaman can't?

Also bear in mind that most of the Emperor's deeds are so long ago that they are legends, and have since been maginified The doink got owned (not killed, but very nearly so) by a run of the mill Warboss also, remember

The same could be said for any of them, especially the C'tan. As for the Warboss, he most certainly was not 'run of the mill'. We don't know how powerful he was, but he led a truly massive empire, one that may well have threatened the Great Crusade.

(Added note (unless they retconned this too).. Horus pretty much destroyed the Emperor also, and would have if the Emperor didn't finally summon up the dregs of his will to frazzle him. I'm sure they make it out as a lot more onesided in recent fluff, but in the older stuff i grew up on the Emperor was Horus's chewtoy for most of the battle

As far as I know, that was always due to his compassion and belief that Horus could be saved. It took the brutal killing of a Guardsman\Imperial Fist\Custodes to make him realise just how damned Horus was, at which point the Emperor promptly annihilated Horus mind and soul
The Avatar of Khaine is a tiny fragment of the original, along with thousands of other on other craftworlds and settlements. He isn't Khaine anymore, just a travel-sized version of him that's low on batteries

'So random aliens can be that powerful, but the amalgamation of hundreds or thousands of Shaman can't?
'

It's more the 'and then the emperor smacked him down, the end..' crap that always ends the story. How about him losing occasionally (warboss excluded) and backing off to lick his wounds.

I have no issue with him being uber, although the shaman-summoned fluff is crap IMO, but he ought to not just handwave an autowin in every story 'after a mighty battle..'

Re- the Warboss Incident:

Given that the Great Crusade started with just one system, and slowly grew who knows how big it was at the time? ork Waaaghs can be massive, and still be under a warboss rather than a green demigod If it was soon after leaving Earth (likely, given that orks are all over the galaxy and the imperium didn't exist yet) the Crusade probably wasn't that huge, and was more eailiy threatened..

As to the Ctan it is known, not rumored that they were as powerful as they were, pre their long sleep. Records exist from the time. The current incarnations are much like the Avatat of Khaine in that they are a vastly weakened remnant of the original.

I take it that's the current rewrite of the fluff, then. I remember reading the account of the battle in WD back a few editions where horus was beating him to pulp, partly due to the emperor's not wanting to destroy him i grant you, but mainly due to the fact theat horus was absolutely beastly in CC.

It was seeing a random terminator (in this story) attacking him and being anihillated with a casual thought that made E realize that Horus was too far gone, and H was distracted for the tiny period of time it took to fry the mook over easy that gave E an opening to basically empty the last of his power into blasting Horus. I'll have to see if i can find the story, because it sounds miles better than the current attempts at story writing.

Ascalam wrote:'So random aliens can be that powerful, but the amalgamation of hundreds or thousands of Shaman can't?
'

It's more the 'and then the emperor smacked him down, the end..' crap that always ends the story. How about him losing occasionally (warboss excluded) and backing off to lick his wounds.

I have no issue with him being uber, although the shaman-summoned fluff is crap IMO, but he ought to not just handwave an autowin in every story 'after a mighty battle..'

Re- the Warboss Incident:

Given that the Great Crusade started with just one system, and slowly grew who knows how big it was at the time? ork Waaaghs can be massive, and still be under a warboss rather than a green demigod If it was soon after leaving Earth (likely, given that orks are all over the galaxy and the imperium didn't exist yet) the Crusade probably wasn't that huge, and was more eailiy threatened..

As to the Ctan it is known, not rumored that they were as powerful as they were, pre their long sleep. Records exist from the time. The current incarnations are much like the Avatat of Khaine in that they are a vastly weakened remnant of the original.

I take it that's the current rewrite of the fluff, then. I remember reading the account of the battle in WD back a few editions where horus was beating him to pulp, partly due to the emperor's not wanting to destroy him i grant you, but mainly due to the fact theat horus was absolutely beastly in CC.

It was seeing a random terminator (in this story) attacking him and being anihillated with a casual thought that made E realize that Horus was too far gone, and H was distracted for the tiny period of time it took to fry the mook over easy that gave E an opening to basically empty the last of his power into blasting Horus. I'll have to see if i can find the story, because it sounds miles better than the current attempts at story writing.

With the green demi-god thing, it kinda was. This Ork was the most poweful ever encountered by the IoM. He was described not as a warboss, not as a warlord, but as an Ork OVERLORD!!!

They invented a title for him.

For the big E wavin' his hand and getting an autowin, he has been known to hold all four CG out of the materium at the same time. If even one got through, it would likely be enough to destroy the galaxy. That's how powerful he is. And khorne, who is weaker than Him, is "able to smite world's with a single blow" (rough C:CD quote)

He beat the mightiest C'tan.

HE KILLZ EVRYTIN!

and also it was Horus/Abbadon who fought the Ork Overlord.

'For the big E wavin' his hand and getting an autowin, he has been known to hold all four CG out of the materium at the same time. If even one got through, it would likely be enough to destroy the galaxy. That's how powerful he is. And khorne, who is weaker than Him, is "able to smite world's with a single blow" (rough C:CD quote)

He beat the mightiest C'tan.

HE KILLZ EVRYTIN!
'
Voila- autowin..

Correction- even assuming you're right: KILLD everything He's a corpse. His physical combat skills are zero right now, and there's no conclusive proof to show that he's even home any more

If he could hold off all four chaos gods with little problem it just highlights the problem i have with the 'Emprah is best' club.

If he's that frickin' powerful how come he can't handwave the eye of terror away, evaporate the chaos gods, benchpress the Ork race and simultaneously invent a low-fat snack that builds muscles with no effort

oh wait, he already did on the last one...

If he's powerful enough to make legions kneel and chaos gods grovel then why does he even need a home fleet or the Golden Throne? How come Terra was trashed during the Horus Heresy, right up to his Palace's gates?

also, just so you know, orks use the term Overlord, overfiend, arch-lunatic etc without it meaning demigod Titles are personal taste for orks


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A thought also- wasn't the Dragon critically injured already, on top of being depleted from aeons in its tomb? I'm sure that I read that somewhere.

Not much of a victory then Try it again vs a full strength Ctan


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Ascalam wrote:'For the big E wavin' his hand and getting an autowin, he has been known to hold all four CG out of the materium at the same time. If even one got through, it would likely be enough to destroy the galaxy. That's how powerful he is. And khorne, who is weaker than Him, is "able to smite world's with a single blow" (rough C:CD quote)

He beat the mightiest C'tan.

HE KILLZ EVRYTIN!
'
Voila- autowin..

Correction- even assuming you're right: KILLD everything He's a corpse. His physical combat skills are zero right now, and there's no conclusive proof to show that he's even home any more

If he could hold off all four chaos gods with little problem it just highlights the problem i have with the 'Emprah is best' club.

If he's that frickin' powerful how come he can't handwave the eye of terror away, evaporate the chaos gods, benchpress the Ork race and simultaneously invent a low-fat snack that builds muscles with no effort

oh wait, he already did on the last one...

If he's powerful enough to make legions kneel and chaos gods grovel then why does he even need a home fleet or the Golden Throne? How come Terra was trashed during the Horus Heresy, right up to his Palace's gates?

also, just so you know, orks use the term Overlord, overfiend, arch-lunatic etc without it meaning demigod Titles are personal taste for orks


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A thought also- wasn't the Dragon critically injured already, on top of being depleted from aeons in its tomb? I'm sure that I read that somewhere.

Not much of a victory then Try it again vs a full strength Ctan

The C'tan WAS at full strength, it was active and on Terra during the early terran middle-ages, the Emperor smote it. He F***ING KNOCKED IT TO MARS!

The Ork was classified as an Overlord by the IoM, not a self-given title. It was reported to be (w/o armour) considerably larger than a Dreadnought.

The Emperor is the most powerful being in existence (or inexistence, in the case of the CGs) but obviously all the other beings together are more powerful. And, not being a TRUE god, the Emperor cannot be omni-present. Just when he IS present, he auto-wins.


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And he will own during the Wolf-Time.

Firstly- no it wasn't. A C'tan at full strength considers a sun a light snack and is a vast energy being larger than a planet. Its powers are literally stated as godlike. (necron codex)

They can ignore reallity at will and phase through objects as if they aren't even there. Being punted physically into Mars from Earth wouldn't even phase one. At worst it would rupture the Necrodermis shell (assuming the Ctan allowed itself to impact the surface instead of coast clean through it. A C'tan is a starfaring entity, so why would being knocked to mars bother it?

It can walk through anything, so how is it trappable, unless it wants to be. It can (if its powers are anything like the Nightbringer at it's worst (the novel Nightbringer) teleport/travel at obscene speed through space.

I believe the Dragon also had several Blackstone fortresses beating it down at some point prior to this, greviously wounding it? Doesn't sound like full strength to me.

(side note- the fluff writer, as well as being a Fanboi, has no grasp of history, since it says that all this happened in the time of Emperor Diocletian. There's about a 1000 year difference between that and the middle ages The passage inthe book is related as being a symbolic vision rather than literal fact, from what I remember

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletian )


The Emperor's light is specifically stated in the rulebook as fading, the Golden Throne is malfunctioning way beyond the capacity of the Mechanicus to repair, and the Emperor is no longer responding to 'prayer' from his subjects. The imperium is specifically mentioned as being doomed if the throne fails, which it is currently doing. Even if he WAS the most powerful being in existence (I doubt it, but each to their own) I doubt he is now.


'Wolf Time? I know the reference to Nordic myth, but i'm drawing a blank on any fluff by this name, and so is Lexicanum. Care to elaborate?


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bob the heretic wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

bob the heretic wrote:Lots of o guys jut picked yor favorite warrior but did not use honesty.....
No ork can beat an avatar...A DEMI GOD! Also

but Angron can as can the night bringer

Yes Angron can but not the night bringer....The night bringer isnt the God of war unlike the Avatar of Khain

Nightbringer is the god of death.

Ascalam wrote:

Firstly- no it wasn't. A C'tan at full strength considers a sun a light snack and is a vast energy being larger than a planet. Its powers are literally stated as godlike. (necron codex)

They can ignore reallity at will and phase through objects as if they aren't even there. Being punted physically into Mars from Earth wouldn't even phase one. At worst it would rupture the Necrodermis shell (assuming the Ctan allowed itself to impact the surface instead of coast clean through it. A C'tan is a starfaring entity, so why would being knocked to mars bother it?

It can walk through anything, so how is it trappable, unless it wants to be. It can (if its powers are anything like the Nightbringer at it's worst (the novel Nightbringer) teleport/travel at obscene speed through space.

I believe the Dragon also had several Blackstone fortresses beating it down at some point prior to this, greviously wounding it? Doesn't sound like full strength to me.

(side note- the fluff writer, as well as being a Fanboi, has no grasp of history, since it says that all this happened in the time of Emperor Diocletian. There's about a 1000 year difference between that and the middle ages The passage inthe book is related as being a symbolic vision rather than literal fact, from what I remember

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diocletian )


The Emperor's light is specifically stated in the rulebook as fading, the Golden Throne is malfunctioning way beyond the capacity of the Mechanicus to repair, and the Emperor is no longer responding to 'prayer' from his subjects. The imperium is specifically mentioned as being doomed if the throne fails, which it is currently doing. Even if he WAS the most powerful being in existence (I doubt it, but each to their own) I doubt he is now.


'Wolf Time? I know the reference to Nordic myth, but i'm drawing a blank on any fluff by this name, and so is Lexicanum. Care to elaborate?


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I forget what book it was-(I think it was either a BT or IF book) stated that each and every loyal chapter beleives in an after-battle (liike wolf-time) and wolf-time was the only referrence to it who's name I remembered.

The Emperor's light is fading because he has single-handedly held His Imperium together for 10,000 years after death. And if you know of the Illuminati, then you know he might just come back full strength.

The black stone fortresses fought it hundreds of thousands of years ago-and necrodermis heals fast.

It was trapped by the Emperor's will, psychic might, and by his appointed guardians.

The C'tan don't consider a sun a light snack-they consider it a feast that lasts hundreds or thousands of years.

It obviously isn't bigger than a planet since:
A-Nightbringer is fairly small for a god (if you think about it)
B-In the Necrodermis shell they are much smaller than when they are energy beings.
C-It was trapped in the Noctis Labrynthus, on Mars, without anyone actually knowing.

The big E's powers are also stated as God-like so that argument is moot.

It wasn't punted physically-It was punted phychically.

Why is Marbo not in this list?!

Ascalam wrote:
It's more the 'and then the emperor smacked him down, the end..' crap that always ends the story. How about him losing occasionally (warboss excluded) and backing off to lick his wounds.

Well, he backed off to the Golden Throne to lick his wounds for 10,000 years. Is that not enough?

I have no issue with him being uber, although the shaman-summoned fluff is crap IMO, but he ought to not just handwave an autowin in every story 'after a mighty battle..'

You'd rather he was just some random Psyker? On the other hand, either he's stronger than everyone else, or something else is stronger than everyone else. I don't really see a big difference.

Given that the Great Crusade started with just one system, and slowly grew who knows how big it was at the time? ork Waaaghs can be massive, and still be under a warboss rather than a green demigod If it was soon after leaving Earth (likely, given that orks are all over the galaxy and the imperium didn't exist yet) the Crusade probably wasn't that huge, and was more eailiy threatened..

He's discovered at least one Primarch, and I've heard it was the turning point of the Great Crusade. It was a very powerful Empire from all accounts I've heard.

As to the Ctan it is known, not rumored that they were as powerful as they were, pre their long sleep. Records exist from the time. The current incarnations are much like the Avatat of Khaine in that they are a vastly weakened remnant of the original.

Those records are mostly legend and myth. They're not really reliable. On the other hand, apparently they can eat stars, which is admittedly quite impressive. They're powerful no doubt, but who knows just how powerful.

I take it that's the current rewrite of the fluff, then. I remember reading the account of the battle in WD back a few editions where horus was beating him to pulp, partly due to the emperor's not wanting to destroy him i grant you, but mainly due to the fact theat horus was absolutely beastly in CC.

The fluff's the same. It's just a question of how easily you view the Emperor as having used that psychic power, and whether or not it left any permanent affects on him.

'It obviously isn't bigger than a planet since:
A-Nightbringer is fairly small for a god (if you think about it)
B-In the Necrodermis shell they are much smaller than when they are energy beings.
C-It was trapped in the Noctis Labrynthus, on Mars, without anyone actually knowing. '



The natural form of a ctan is an energy being larger than a planet. This is specified in the codex. The Necrodermis is a suit to focus them down to a level where they can interact with other beings, and seems to be about 15 ft tall, more or less by the Ctan's choice.

'Those records are mostly legend and myth. They're not really reliable. On the other hand, apparently they can eat stars, which is admittedly quite impressive. They're powerful no doubt, but who knows just how powerful.'

The eldar records were laid down at the time. They are probably a lot better than myth, though still not as good as observation directly of the Ctan at full strength by a contemporary viewer. They are kept in the black library.

'Well, he backed off to the Golden Throne to lick his wounds for 10,000 years. Is that not enough? '

Given that people keep arging that he's using the time to benchpress khorne while dropkicking tzeentch over nurgle not really. Especially since the fluff is edging towards him being reborn/having planned this all along/etc..



'The fluff's the same. It's just a question of how easily you view the Emperor as having used that psychic power, and whether or not it left any permanent affects on him. '

The fluff on the emperor's battle is similar. The difference is the emphasis.Was the emperor fending off Horus, unwilling to hurt him or was he getting mulched and made a last ditch, desperate attack.. very different story

Ascalam wrote:
The eldar records were laid down at the time. They are probably a lot better than myth, though still not as good as observation directly of the Ctan at full strength by a contemporary viewer. They are kept in the black library.

The Eldar were using swords. It's never said, to my knowledge, that they actually had any sophisticated technology or way to make records at the time they facing the C'tan and the Necrons.

Given that people keep arging that he's using the time to benchpress khorne while dropkicking tzeentch over nurgle not really. Especially since the fluff is edging towards him being reborn/having planned this all along/etc..

Fair enough. I wouldn't really say he's quite that powerful, but possibly more powerful in a different way; whereas the Chaos Gods have their power disperse through hordes of Daemon's and fight each other, the Emperor primarily focusses on relatively few tasks. I don't really think the fluff is implying he may have planned for this myself. Reborn, maybe, but it's likely something will keep his power in check or be powerful enough to counter it.

The fluff on the emperor's battle is similar. The difference is the emphasis.Was the emperor fending off Horus, unwilling to hurt him or was he getting mulched and made a last ditch, desperate attack.. very different story

Personally I quite enjoy the idea of a human being the biggest power in the galaxy. It makes a bit of a change to "oh, this species are better than humans in every way, albeit a tad arrogant" and "the humans can't possibly match their numbers and bloodlust" stereotypes that seem to permeate fantasy and to an extent science-fiction (or maybe just science-fantasy - never really understand the distinction myself; surely science-fantasy comes under science-fiction?).

Ascalam wrote:
Also bear in mind that most of the Emperor's deeds are so long ago that they are legends, and have since been maginified The doink got owned (not killed, but very nearly so) by a run of the mill Warboss also, remember

Run of the mill as in the greatest warboss ever encountered by Man, making Ghazgkhull look like a Grot? Seriously, that much Waaagh!-energy can't be good if you're reliant on psychic power to kill people...

im2randomghgh wrote:
Kharn has no inv. save. Insta-death by railgun.

Read the rules, try again.

'The Eldar were using swords. It's never said, to my knowledge, that they actually had any sophisticated technology or way to make records at the time they facing the C'tan and the Necrons. '

If all the Eldar had were swords, there would BE no eldar. The eldar were created by the Old Ones, who were still around at this point in the fluff. Do you think they just said 'now hit them, while we and our advanced as hades tech sit over here?'
That was what they told the orks

Non-powerweapon swords vs Necrons is a futile and brief battle. I doubt you could even significantly hurt them- An equivilent might be the Conquistadors vs the locals. The Conquistadors lost a few men for every hundred or more they killed, due to far superior armour and weapons, not to mention terror I think more died of disease than wounds.

And that's assuming that the Necrons forgot to bring an Orb, Monoliths, Destroyers that can fly above sword reach etc..

I think we can assume that either the eldar had a decent level of tech, or were provided with high tech wargear



'Personally I quite enjoy the idea of a human being the biggest power in the galaxy. It makes a bit of a change to "oh, this species are better than humans in every way, albeit a tad arrogant" and "the humans can't possibly match their numbers and bloodlust" stereotypes that seem to permeate fantasy and to an extent science-fiction (or maybe just science-fantasy - never really understand the distinction myself; surely science-fantasy comes under science-fiction?).'

Humans Uber Alles (sp?) is just as common a trope in SF. I agree with you that science fantasy is a subset of Sci-fi. A lot of 'hard-scifi' fans would disagree, but who cares

I'm ok with a human being seriously potent, even being the best (i suppose..) but the 'i bunch up your best guy like used kleenex' writing style and the Fanboys (oh the fanboys) that then smacktalk every xeno race, at every game rub me a bit raw.

If 40K had the xenos factions equally represented with humanity i would have less of a problem with Humanity being touted as being best (by humanity) but when ALL the Black Library fluff (barring about 2 books i think) and 90% of the codex fluff is doing it it gets a little less 'wow, that's heroic!' and more 'and the latest tall tale is...' especially when a good chunk of the fluff in the Xenos codexes is doing it too..

It's like going fishing with a guy, and listening to him telling you about this huge fish he reeled in. The first time you're impressed (even accounting for story inflation) and think that it's pretty cool. The seven hundredth time, it's getting a bit stale, especially when he doesn't tell you about the ones he lost, and interrupts your own stories to tell more of his

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Gotta be Yarrick. He's a bawws.

I have to agree that Yarrick is a badass, though he's about #3 on my badass list.

Anyone who can survive being run over by an ork battlefortress is ok in my book

Yarrick is the galaxy's toughest senior citizen...but Ghazzie let him live.

Ghazgul just fits the bill as the greatest warrior...not demi-god, or stellar god, or some weird re-birthing possesive s&M freak, just a good old fashioned warrior, that rose from nowhere, and became the greatest Ork threat to the IOM , and he even has a code of honor ( so to speak ).

And as a side note I voted for him due to his actual game/battlefield antics I observed at a Mega game many years ago, after he had been stepped on by a Reaver Titan, the Ghaz then proceeded to inflict enough damage on it to destroy the thing. ( we all imagined that with a backdrop of a burning exploding titan, old Ghazgul came walking outta the flame , lit up a squig cigar and said..."Next! " ), since thats what the guy using Ghaz did .

Very cool character, and I never fail enjoy playing with him or against him.

And there we have my #1

Ghazzy is awesome.

It always seems to come as a suprise when he beats down some other army's uber-bloke, at least to it's owner

Ascalam wrote:
If all the Eldar had were swords, there would BE no eldar. The eldar were created by the Old Ones, who were still around at this point in the fluff. Do you think they just said 'now hit them, while we and our advanced as hades tech sit over here?'

They were capable of using their full pyschic might before the Warp became as disturbted and filled Warp predators as it is now. Until the Enslavers managed to break through, technological weapons may have been fairly obsolete. Even if they did have the technology, most of it would likely be weaponised, not for recording information.

That was what they told the orks

I hear Orks (well, Krork) were designed to fight the Enslaver Plague, not the Necrons?

Non-powerweapon swords vs Necrons is a futile and brief battle. I doubt you could even significantly hurt them- An equivilent might be the Conquistadors vs the locals. The Conquistadors lost a few men for every hundred or more they killed, due to far superior armour and weapons, not to mention terror I think more died of disease than wounds.

If the natives were capable of tearing the Conquistadors apart with their minds, sure. Even then, the Conquistadors enlisted a lot of the locals to fight with them. The Aztec's were hated by pretty much all of their neighbours (and Cortez was crafty besides).

I think we can assume that either the eldar had a decent level of tech, or were provided with high tech wargear

Possibly, but I doubt it would be useful for accurately storing information. If it was and they still had it, why would the Harlequin's be such an important part of their history?

Humans Uber Alles (sp?) is just as common a trope in SF. I agree with you that science fantasy is a subset of Sci-fi. A lot of 'hard-scifi' fans would disagree, but who cares

I ususally find that humans generally greater determination or some such not actually manifest ability. The aliens typically seem to be stronger, more advanced or psychic.

I'm ok with a human being seriously potent, even being the best (i suppose..) but the 'i bunch up your best guy like used kleenex' writing style and the Fanboys (oh the fanboys) that then smacktalk every xeno race, at every game rub me a bit raw.

Fair enouh. I see your point.

'They were capable of using their full pyschic might before the Warp became as disturbted and filled Warp predators as it is now. Until the Enslavers managed to break through, technological weapons may have been fairly obsolete. Even if they did have the technology, most of it would likely be weaponised, not for recording information. '

'Know your enemy' ring a bell? If you can't record information on an enemy it's far harder to beat them.

'I hear Orks (well, Krork) were designed to fight the Enslaver Plague, not the Necrons? '

You hear this where? In the Necron codex they're mentioned as being used vs the Necrons.

'f the natives were capable of tearing the Conquistadors apart with their minds, sure. Even then, the Conquistadors enlisted a lot of the locals to fight with them. The Aztec's were hated by pretty much all of their neighbours (and Cortez was crafty besides).'

Um, who says the eldar were all zoanthropes in disguise? I've never read anything of the sort

"Possibly, but I doubt it would be useful for accurately storing information. If it was and they still had it, why would the Harlequin's be such an important part of their history? '

Because the Harlequins guard the Black Library, and don't even let other eldar access it much. Also because the eldar do everything in a stylized fashion.

'I ususally find that humans generally greater determination or some such not actually manifest ability. The aliens typically seem to be stronger, more advanced or psychic. '

Sometimes. Other times the humans are the posterchild, and therefore all the other races are marginalized to make the humans the inportant ones (Manifest Destiny etc)..




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I voted for Ghazghkull but you are missing out so many characters like :

Asdrubeal Vect

Lady Malys

The phoinex lords

kharn the betrayer

Captian shrike

The will go on for ages

You probably shouldn't have put it as a pole

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Ascalam wrote:
The eldar records were laid down at the time. They are probably a lot better than myth, though still not as good as observation directly of the Ctan at full strength by a contemporary viewer. They are kept in the black library.

The Eldar were using swords. It's never said, to my knowledge, that they actually had any sophisticated technology or way to make records at the time they facing the C'tan and the Necrons.

Given that people keep arging that he's using the time to benchpress khorne while dropkicking tzeentch over nurgle not really. Especially since the fluff is edging towards him being reborn/having planned this all along/etc..

Fair enough. I wouldn't really say he's quite that powerful, but possibly more powerful in a different way; whereas the Chaos Gods have their power disperse through hordes of Daemon's and fight each other, the Emperor primarily focusses on relatively few tasks. I don't really think the fluff is implying he may have planned for this myself. Reborn, maybe, but it's likely something will keep his power in check or be powerful enough to counter it.

The fluff on the emperor's battle is similar. The difference is the emphasis.Was the emperor fending off Horus, unwilling to hurt him or was he getting mulched and made a last ditch, desperate attack.. very different story

Personally I quite enjoy the idea of a human being the biggest power in the galaxy. It makes a bit of a change to "oh, this species are better than humans in every way, albeit a tad arrogant" and "the humans can't possibly match their numbers and bloodlust" stereotypes that seem to permeate fantasy and to an extent science-fiction (or maybe just science-fantasy - never really understand the distinction myself; surely science-fantasy comes under science-fiction?).

I agree with the "Human being the most baddest" thing. They are the species who has probably fought the most, since they have had MAJOR conflict with each and every race and have (yes, even including space elves) had the most conflict wit chaos. They fought the Heresy, they single-handedly hold an entire dimesnsion's worth of evil, twisted, daemonic beings at bay, and they do it WHILE fighting the beings of the material dimension. (Those of the Milky Way anyways...Time to expand!) (yes I am thinking of you, Nid players).

Fantasy=Magic, Elves, Orcs, swords and shield etc.

Sci-fi=Space ships, Lasers, Aliens etc.

Sci-fa=elements of both, space elves, space orks, lasers and magic together etc.

sound familiar?


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@Ascalam

Swords vs. Necrons IS largely useless, however in dead men walking the Krieg guardsmen managed an impressive amount of bayonet kills (in the eyes, damage gauss power cells etc. etc.)

Also, the de-centralization of the IoM makes the Uber humanity more agreeable I find, sort of like how it is said that unified orks=auto win.

Unified humanity = auto win too .

If it hadn't been for the Heresy, the GC would have conquered the Milky Way, and only Necrons and Nids would have survived, Necrons since you don't find them, they find you, and Nids since they come extragalactic but they WOULD die since the Emprah + Primarchs + Legions would not have to deal w/ chaos (as much, since with the xenos dead, 2,000,000 + Astartes, no chaos astartes etc. etc. they would probably have humanity launch crusades into the Warp).

With a Centralized, unified, personally lead by the Emprah, using the Webway instead of the Warp for travel, the Tau would be doomed. The warp storms of the Perdus rift wouldn't have affected the IoM, and the IoM wouldn't have stolen my cookie.

Go suck a(n) ***** Horus.

'Swords vs. Necrons IS largely useless, however in dead men walking the Krieg guardsmen managed an impressive amount of bayonet kills (in the eyes, damage gauss power cells etc. etc.) '

Did the author remember that they self repair at all? The only part of Dead Men Walking i've read is the sample with the flayed ones. It sounded like a good book

Unified humanity is about as likelt as Unified Ork IMO. They keep having to execute worlds for having turned away from the Emperor etc.. Problem with doing that is that you have to KEEP doing it..

I would love to see the fluff having the IOM devolve into civil war, with Terra and about half the IOM against renegade guard and astartes unde a new 'emperor' that they either see as a reborn Big E (wasn't there something about Sebastian Thor thereabouts) or as a replacement for the corpsesicle

It would explain why almost every game i see at tournament is Marine vs Marine, or Marine vs Guard in the ruins of an imperial world (make some alien scenery already, GW !) ..

Old gregg! that is all

Ascalam wrote:'Swords vs. Necrons IS largely useless, however in dead men walking the Krieg guardsmen managed an impressive amount of bayonet kills (in the eyes, damage gauss power cells etc. etc.) '

Did the author remember that they self repair at all? The only part of Dead Men Walking i've read is the sample with the flayed ones. It sounded like a good book

Unified humanity is about as likelt as Unified Ork IMO. They keep having to execute worlds for having turned away from the Emperor etc.. Problem with doing that is that you have to KEEP doing it..

I would love to see the fluff having the IOM devolve into civil war, with Terra and about half the IOM against renegade guard and astartes unde a new 'emperor' that they either see as a reborn Big E (wasn't there something about Sebastian Thor thereabouts) or as a replacement for the corpsesicle

It would explain why almost every game i see at tournament is Marine vs Marine, or Marine vs Guard in the ruins of an imperial world (make some alien scenery already, GW !) ..

The best way I can see that happening is if the Illuminati decides that it is time to kill the Emprah and bring him back to life. That would work on so many levels...

I wish that the fluff-writers would make up some new names though..

The Illuminati? Really? *sigh*

Killing and possibly raising the emperor would work for me, as it would at least break us loose from 40K Groundhog Day

Ascalam wrote:I wish that the fluff-writers would make up some new names though..

The Illuminati? Really? *sigh*

Killing and possibly raising the emperor would work for me, as it would at least break us loose from 40K Groundhog Day

Yeah I know...I was disappointed in them re-using the name too...prbly one of the writers was part of that organisation.

Also, I think wh40k should have like an exodus. One per race.

IoM: Leman Russ returns from the warp with the fruit from the tree of life and heals the Emperor, who then heals RG and finds the other primarchs who are M.I.A and re-united the Imperium and launches GV v2.0. Somtin like dat.

Eldar: Ynnead is born and all the Eldar unite, the avatars are re-united in Khaine, the laughing god returns to reality, and that Eldar goddess (I forget her name) who was trapped by Nurgle but escapes (Princess Leia-Jabba the Hutt-esque) and the Eldar Pwns everybody.

Orks: Ghazzy just get bigger and bigger and ends up uniting all the Orks. Green floods the galaxy yadayada.

Tau:...let me think...nope, they're just too small

Nids: eat everything

DE: Orgasm so hard that Slaanesh manifests physically...IDK what I'm talking about either.

Chaos: Black Crusade-a-thon.

Necrons: um...they wake up?

etc. etc. etc.

GW could just wait until the end of the series and then tell us that it was all just a reading from the Emperor's Tarot, a farseer vision something like that...

Ascalam wrote:

The Illuminati? Really? *sigh*

Well since warhammer 40K is set in the future of our universe, I would say that the Illuminati is still around pulling all the strings like they are doing right now.

If they weren't such an overused and hackneyed plot device i would be ok with it

Ascalam wrote:If they weren't such an overused and hackneyed plot device i would be ok with it

Yeah even Marvel comics have their version of it. I think that is their goal though. The use of the word Illuminati has become almost stupid and silly. No one could possibly believe they exist now right?

Illuminati the Masquerade

Illuminati! Emo-psycho in disguise.... (to transformers theme music)

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio ... (i guess )

regarding Lucius, he'll last only until he gets fragged with an ordinance barrage and the gunner doesn't know what he hit

Ascalam wrote:Illuminati the Masquerade

Illuminati! Emo-psycho in disguise.... (to transformers theme music)

There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio ... (i guess )

If you look, I mean really look, they're everywhere. This is probably just another one of their attempts to get into our heads...http://antinwomillita.webs.com/apps/photos/photo?photoid=84041680

Nothing wrong with a little conspiracy theory to lighten an otherwise dull evening

Ascalam wrote:Nothing wrong with a little conspiracy theory to lighten an otherwise dull evening

Dude.... Please start using Dakka's quote system, or even the multi-quote system, because it is incredibly annoying to read your posts and look for your argument instead of someone else's post.

And that could have been handled much more politely by using Dakka's PM system.

I'm usually posting using th quick reply box, as the system at work has a bad habit of crashing if it has to go back and forth on pages (ancient computer).

If it offends you that much i'll try to get this hunk of junk to let me do it without crashing.

Just gonna put Kaldor Draigo out there...he is just walking around THE WARP killing everything, literally everything!

Goldenfistcrusader wrote:Just gonna put Kaldor Draigo out there...he is just walking around THE WARP killing everything, literally everything!

1. So did Lysander. L.Y.S.A.N.D.E.R.

2. If he was killing literally everything than there wouldn'y be any daemons, CGs, or CSMs.

hi i need to know who the hell is on the cover of storm of iron is it honsou or kroeger? or niether

the pope155 wrote:hi i need to know who the hell is on the cover of storm of iron is it honsou or kroeger? or niether

Methinks Honsou, since IIRC the helmet is off and for half book Kroeger is forced to wear a helmet due to not being Kroeger.

Plus Honsou is the main protagonist so...yeah.

BTW the Honsou vs. Castellan Vauban fight was prbly the best part of the book 4 me.

I like Coteaz! he expects everyone, but no one expects him!

No one expects the imeprial inquisition!

Although, i would have put Skulltaker on this list. He's Kharn, but daemonic!

im2randomghgh wrote:

the pope155 wrote:hi i need to know who the hell is on the cover of storm of iron is it honsou or kroeger? or niether

Methinks Honsou, since IIRC the helmet is off and for half book Kroeger is forced to wear a helmet due to not being Kroeger.

Plus Honsou is the main protagonist so...yeah.

BTW the Honsou vs. Castellan Vauban fight was prbly the best part of the book 4 me.

it's actually Castlemayn Forrix first captain of the Iron Warriors

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

the pope155 wrote:hi i need to know who the hell is on the cover of storm of iron is it honsou or kroeger? or niether

Methinks Honsou, since IIRC the helmet is off and for half book Kroeger is forced to wear a helmet due to not being Kroeger.

Plus Honsou is the main protagonist so...yeah.

BTW the Honsou vs. Castellan Vauban fight was prbly the best part of the book 4 me.

it's actually Castlemayn Forrix first captain of the Iron Warriors

Explain your thinking.

Marbo.

KHARRNN!!!

The Swarmlord!

Not only did he defeat Calgnar in one on one combat on Maccarrge, but he can just be recreated by the Hive Mind upon death. You can't kill him, and he remembers everything.

Plus, you have to consider how many of the great warriors on the list are psykers, and the shadow in the warp would be terrible for thier minds.

So, the Swarmlord wins in my opinion.

Swiftblade wrote:The Swarmlord!

Not only did he defeat Calgnar in one on one combat on Maccarrge, but he can just be recreated by the Hive Mind upon death. You can't kill him, and he remembers everything.

Plus, you have to consider how many of the great warriors on the list are psykers, and the shadow in the warp would be terrible for thier minds.

So, the Swarmlord wins in my opinion.

Yes but Calgar had been fighting actively in the campaign against the Nids. Swarmlord was fairly fresh.

And also, it isn't the swarmlord who gets reborn, it is another nid who becomes the swarmlord. There is a distinction. Also, from a physical standpoint, Calgar is no different than any other Astartes.

Why is evryone forgeting that Russ is still alive somewhere in the eye of terror probably pwning milions of Deamons?

Where's Lysander? Maybe a bit of an Imp Fist fan boy thing to recommend but still he is a beast in the game.

Swiftblade wrote:The Swarmlord!

Not only did he defeat Calgnar in one on one combat on Maccarrge, but he can just be recreated by the Hive Mind upon death. You can't kill him, and he remembers everything.

Plus, you have to consider how many of the great warriors on the list are psykers, and the shadow in the warp would be terrible for thier minds.

So, the Swarmlord wins in my opinion.

This,

Yes but Calgar had been fighting actively in the campaign against the Nids. Swarmlord was fairly fresh.

And also, it isn't the swarmlord who gets reborn, it is another nid who becomes the swarmlord. There is a distinction. Also, from a physical standpoint, Calgar is no different than any other Astartes.

No, biomass is used to create the swarmord in another are like a regular tyranid. There isnt a random tyranid that just poofs out 4 bone sabres and becomes 15 feet taller. Also, physically calgar IS like any other Astartes though is experience and skill not so much. That is like saying I am equal to a special forces soldier because im human.

Yes Hive tyrants minds just get reput into new bodies hive tyrants are immortal. thats how they get old adversary.

xXSir MontyXx wrote:

Swiftblade wrote:The Swarmlord!

Not only did he defeat Calgnar in one on one combat on Maccarrge, but he can just be recreated by the Hive Mind upon death. You can't kill him, and he remembers everything.

Plus, you have to consider how many of the great warriors on the list are psykers, and the shadow in the warp would be terrible for thier minds.

So, the Swarmlord wins in my opinion.

This,

Yes but Calgar had been fighting actively in the campaign against the Nids. Swarmlord was fairly fresh.

And also, it isn't the swarmlord who gets reborn, it is another nid who becomes the swarmlord. There is a distinction. Also, from a physical standpoint, Calgar is no different than any other Astartes.

No, biomass is used to create the swarmord in another are like a regular tyranid. There isnt a random tyranid that just poofs out 4 bone sabres and becomes 15 feet taller. Also, physically calgar IS like any other Astartes though is experience and skill not so much. That is like saying I am equal to a special forces soldier because im human.

@ the Calgar thing-Do you think a special forces soldier (i.e. JTF2) would have a better chance against an enormous monstrosity almost as large as an Imperial Knight? No, it just wouldn't matter.

@ the Calgar thing-Do you think a special forces soldier (i.e. JTF2) would have a better chance against an enormous monstrosity almost as large as an Imperial Knight? No, it just wouldn't matter.

it's like a chiwawa versus a German shepard, even if the chiwawa has better weapons it's still a chiwawa.

huntho21 wrote:Why is evryone forgeting that Russ is still alive somewhere in the eye of terror probably pwning milions of Deamons?

No one knows if Russ is alive, but given the fact that he's been stranded alone in the Warp for 10,000+ years, he's more likely dead than alive.

And several Primarchs are M.I.A., and even so, DP are equal to Primarchs, so them returning would be more of a morale thing than anything ekse.

Guilliman is the only loyal Primarch that is alive 100% for sure.

And I am pretty sure the only ones that can't be argued to be alive are Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Primarch

If we're specifically talking about the options on that list, then I believe fluff-wise, the Nightbringer would dominate hands-down.

Farsight makes me lol.

The Swarmlord is not in this poll, and yet Lucius the Eternal is?

I' am disappoint.

Ang'grath the Unbound

Ulven wrote:If we're specifically talking about the options on that list, then I believe fluff-wise, the Nightbringer would dominate hands-down.

Farsight makes me lol.

He kinda does suck, but considering he is a diminutive Tau trying to fight in mêlée, I think he at least deserves kudos.

im2randomghgh wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

the pope155 wrote:hi i need to know who the hell is on the cover of storm of iron is it honsou or kroeger? or niether

Methinks Honsou, since IIRC the helmet is off and for half book Kroeger is forced to wear a helmet due to not being Kroeger.

Plus Honsou is the main protagonist so...yeah.

BTW the Honsou vs. Castellan Vauban fight was prbly the best part of the book 4 me.

it's actually Castlemayn Forrix first captain of the Iron Warriors

Explain your thinking.

Castlemayn Forrix is the only one to wear terminator armor, and the front cover of storm of iron clearly has a terminator on it

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

the pope155 wrote:hi i need to know who the hell is on the cover of storm of iron is it honsou or kroeger? or niether

Methinks Honsou, since IIRC the helmet is off and for half book Kroeger is forced to wear a helmet due to not being Kroeger.

Plus Honsou is the main protagonist so...yeah.

BTW the Honsou vs. Castellan Vauban fight was prbly the best part of the book 4 me.

it's actually Castlemayn Forrix first captain of the Iron Warriors

Explain your thinking.

Castlemayn Forrix is the only one to wear terminator armor, and the front cover of storm of iron clearly has a terminator on it

I thought Kroeger did too? IIRC the first battle ended in tower and kroeger got shot with a plasma (?) pistol in the chest but termie armour saved him?

im2randomghgh wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

TyraelVladinhurst wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

the pope155 wrote:hi i need to know who the hell is on the cover of storm of iron is it honsou or kroeger? or niether

Methinks Honsou, since IIRC the helmet is off and for half book Kroeger is forced to wear a helmet due to not being Kroeger.

Plus Honsou is the main protagonist so...yeah.

BTW the Honsou vs. Castellan Vauban fight was prbly the best part of the book 4 me.

it's actually Castlemayn Forrix first captain of the Iron Warriors

Explain your thinking.

Castlemayn Forrix is the only one to wear terminator armor, and the front cover of storm of iron clearly has a terminator on it

I thought Kroeger did too? IIRC the first battle ended in tower and kroeger got shot with a plasma (?) pistol in the chest but termie armour saved him?

no he wore artificer armor

Well not in the 41 millennium but still, where is the Emperor on this list.

I think they were originally after warriors with actual playable rules

I field The Emperor of Mankind!

Beep I win...

Makes for a very dull game It makes for rather dull fluff too, but you can ignore that

While we are on the subject i nominate the Old Ones' greatest warrior, whoever he was

Weren't the old one rather peaceful? Hence why they create other species to fight for them?

Lol at Farsight.

If you belive in fluff then supposedly Captian Ventris, Ragnar Blackmane, Justicar Alric

Captian Ventris - Took down nightlord, imprisioned on choas planet but broke free, and beat Honsu

Ragnar- Wolf Lord, kicks butt against pyskers apparently, and can take on Dark Angels.

Alric- Grey Knight (some would say 'nuff said), also escaped deamon world WITHOUT armour or Nemisis, and out-thought a deamon possed titan

All of which have suffered "grevious" wounds on the battlefield yet live.

IMO, if you include the C'tan, you got to include Tzeentch, he makes your moves for you and the only reason he hasn't completey won is because he would be bored.

That and he spends most of his time scheming against himself..

Schitophrenia (sp?) FTW

Also the Ctan are only playable in their rather reduced current state... The original power versions are a bit further up the scale

im2randomghgh wrote:

huntho21 wrote:Why is evryone forgeting that Russ is still alive somewhere in the eye of terror probably pwning milions of Deamons?

No one knows if Russ is alive, but given the fact that he's been stranded alone in the Warp for 10,000+ years, he's more likely dead than alive.

And several Primarchs are M.I.A., and even so, DP are equal to Primarchs, so them returning would be more of a morale thing than anything ekse.

Guilliman is the only loyal Primarch that is alive 100% for sure.

And I am pretty sure the only ones that can't be argued to be alive are Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Primarch

Rogal Dorn is alive? Better tell the Fists to give him back his skeletal hand and apologize for all the names carved into it then...

EDIT: Wow, that wikia sure is full of crap. Rogal Dorn's skeletal hands, his armour and weapons are recovered, he's explicitly stated to be dead and yet he's "missing"?

KHAINEEEEEE

Because being the fiery incarnation of the God of War is automatically winning.

Swordwind wrote:KHAINEEEEEE

Because being the fiery incarnation of the God of War is automatically winning.

And yet he was beat down upon so many other heros and races

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

huntho21 wrote:Why is evryone forgeting that Russ is still alive somewhere in the eye of terror probably pwning milions of Deamons?

No one knows if Russ is alive, but given the fact that he's been stranded alone in the Warp for 10,000+ years, he's more likely dead than alive.

And several Primarchs are M.I.A., and even so, DP are equal to Primarchs, so them returning would be more of a morale thing than anything ekse.

Guilliman is the only loyal Primarch that is alive 100% for sure.

And I am pretty sure the only ones that can't be argued to be alive are Sanguinius and Ferrus Manus.

http://warhammer40k.wikia.com/wiki/Primarch

Rogal Dorn is alive? Better tell the Fists to give him back his skeletal hand and apologize for all the names carved into it then...

EDIT: Wow, that wikia sure is full of crap. Rogal Dorn's skeletal hands, his armour and weapons are recovered, he's explicitly stated to be dead and yet he's "missing"?

There are numerous stories about Dorn's death, but none are canon. He was in an enourmous explosion that blew his hand into orbit, true, but Angron had a mountain fall on him and dug his way out unscathed. Fulgrim punched khaine in the face. Primarchs are almost unkillable. The only stupid Primarch death was Conrad Kurze being killed by an unaugmented, human assassin.

Commissar Typhus wrote:

Swordwind wrote:KHAINEEEEEE

Because being the fiery incarnation of the God of War is automatically winning.

And yet he was beat down upon so many other heros and races

The avatar is one of thousands of shards of khaine is the Eldar ever figure out how to put those shards together there's going to be a lot of butt hurt for their enemies. Plus the fact that he throws melta fire balls just makes him that much more awesome.

Moving thread to General Discussion.