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Post by: BrassScorpion
Hey, Mikhaila, you made Tabletop Gaming News with your post above! http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2011/04/26/45995 I have to admit I was disappointed by my visit today to Tabletop Gaming News. I was hoping they had some unique news of their own, not just something they picked up from reading the forums.
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Post by: oni
I found that original list if anyone cares to see...
(Spoiler for data consolidation)
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Post by: Maxim C. Gatling
JoeyHeadwounds wrote:Looks like I picked a hell of a time to get back into 40K... especially considering that my girlfriend and my nephew both decided to follow me. So that's two CSM armies and one Blood Angels army that'll be affected by this.
Granted most of what we have left to buy is in plastic, but there are still a few things such as HQ's and Daemons that are going to be a problem(possibly).
I wish GW would pull their heads out of their asses and give an official explanation of what's going on.... be it a news letter or message on their website... something.
Your girlfriend plays? I'm so jealous... Automatically Appended Next Post: I remember sitting around in the local game store right about 20 years ago bitching about GW's announcement that they were switching from lead to pewter and using this as a justification for raising their prices.
The move from lead to pewter was spurred by a proposed bill in the US Senate banning lead in gaming miniatures. It was banned in other products, but gaming miniatures were singled out. I'm pretty sure the bill didn't pass after all and as most things the US Government does it was based on theoretical panic as no child had EVER gotten lead poisoning from lead miniatures even though lead minis have been around for at least 150 years. Other manufacturers (FASA, RAFM, Ral Partha,) followed suit, some didn't. Alas none of the other miniature companies prices increased substantially. By the way, at the time Citadel/Marauder minis were crap. If you played D&D it was Ral Partha all the way. They had much more talented sculptors at the time.
The benefit with lead was it was very easy to work with. Needed to chop off a weapon? Swap heads? No sweat. You could do it with a dull Exacto knife if needed. Often you could re-pose an arm or a leg by gently bending it with your fingers. I shudder to think of how good miniatures would be with today's sculpts if made of lead.
On to a new era. Not only is lead gone, metal is gone altogether. Let's think for a moment. FW prices are gawd-aweful. I hate their business model which doesn't allow my local store to carry their stuff (it's called 'price control'...) and the reason we're given for their extortionist prices is 'craftsmanship'. It's like they don't want a higher volume sold because they're conceited about their product.
Honestly, I don't see the figs getting cheaper if they move to resin. It'll be just another excuse to raise the price. Just like the last upteen excuses over the last 25 years I've been filling their parking lot full of Jaguars....
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Post by: mikhaila
BrassScorpion wrote:Hey, Mikhaila, you made Tabletop Gaming News with your post above!
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2011/04/26/45995
I have to admit I was disappointed by my visit today to Tabletop Gaming News. I was hoping they had some unique news of their own, not just something they picked up from reading the forums.
Fame at last!
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Post by: warboss
mikhaila wrote:BrassScorpion wrote:Hey, Mikhaila, you made Tabletop Gaming News with your post above!
http://www.tabletopgamingnews.com/2011/04/26/45995
I have to admit I was disappointed by my visit today to Tabletop Gaming News. I was hoping they had some unique news of their own, not just something they picked up from reading the forums.
Fame at last!
Now to collect your internet millions like the tron guy or the chocolate rain kid!
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Post by: Grot 6
LEAVE THOSE METAL FIGS ALONE!!!!
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Post by: Minsc
Maxim C. Gatling wrote:On to a new era. Not only is lead gone, metal is gone altogether. Let's think for a moment. FW prices are gawd-aweful.
Funnily enough, Forgeworld prices were slowly on the way to becoming equal cost / cheaper alternatives to GW models, in some places (Commissars, Plague Ogryns, and the Exorcist Tank all come to mind immediately). Seems even craftsmanship only goes so far with price rising...
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Post by: AvatarForm
Grot 6 wrote:LEAVE THOSE METAL FIGS ALONE!!!!
Is that male or female?
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Post by: BrassScorpion
AvatarForm wrote:Grot 6 wrote:LEAVE THOSE METAL FIGS ALONE!!!!
Is that male or female?
The "leave Britney alone" guy is a guy. Tosh.0 did a "web redemption" with that fellow, you can watch it at this link:
http://tosh.comedycentral.com/video-clips/web-redemption---chris-crocker
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Post by: dagsta2
Space Marine Bike wtf i love that
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is any thing left
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Post by: Farmer
Why not discontinue all the armys? seriously as if GW's constant price raises wasn't enough now they are discontinue armys.
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Post by: BrassScorpion
It's cogent, coherent comments like that which make the forums the repository of intellectual thought for which they are so well known. Even Bletchley Park couldn't decipher the meaning of that one. Also note, the plural of "army" is "armies".
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Post by: Creeping Dementia
Just got this e-mail from GW Customer Service last night. Its similar to the one posted on the previous page but there are some adjustments to the availability dates. Thought it might interest someone. They're obviously not 'discontinuing' any armies... calm down spazziods.
Hello,
We are currently packing the order you placed with Games Workshop. However; one or more of the item(s) you ordered are currently out of stock and will be on the list that follows. This is a list of all items on back order and when they are due to arrive into our warehouse.
The entirety of your order will be held until the item(s) are in stock. If you want to remove an item from your order so it will ship out sooner feel free to contact us by email or phone at 1-800-394-4263 so we can take care of this for you.
Should you still want an item that is out of stock another order will have to be placed, and they will ship out once they arrive back into our warehouse.
We apologize for this delay.
99140113005 Tau XV88 Broadside Battlesuit 29-Apr-11
99060112056 Dark Eldar Archon 29-Apr-11
99060104116 Eldar Harlequin Death Jester 29-Apr-11
99110209123 Goblin Rock Lobber 29-Apr-11
99060107062 Inquisitor Coteaz 29-Apr-11
99110103092 Ork Warlord Ghazghkull Thraka 29-Apr-11
99060101346 Space Marine Servitor set 1 with Multi-m29-Apr-11
99060101330 Space Marine Terminator Librarian 29-Apr-11
99060101236 The Emperor's Champion 29-Apr-11
99060106045 Tyranid Broodlord 29-Apr-11
99060101208 Wolf Lord Logan Grimnar 29-Apr-11
99060102026 Abaddon the Despoiler 09-May-11
99110102083 Chaos Space Marines Plague Marines 09-May-11
99060209121 Grimgor Ironhide 09-May-11
99110108051 Inquisitor Karamazov 09-May-11
99060107066 Jokaero Weaponsmith 09-May-11
99060107064 Lord Kaldor Draigo 09-May-11
99110101299 Marneus Calgar and Honour Guard 09-May-11
99060110017 Necron Wraith 09-May-11
99060207127 Tomb King with Sword and Shield 09-May-11
99060207113 Tomb Kings Liche Priests 09-May-11
99110599005 Necromunda: House Van Saar Gang 13-May-11
99060101339 Space Marine Librarian with Staff and Bo13-May-11
99080201002 Chaos Warrior Shields 20-May-11
99060108077 Daemonhunters Vindicare with Exitus Rifl20-May-11
99110101328 Dark Angels Master of the Ravenwing 20-May-11
99060107007 Grey Knight Death Cult Assassins 20-May-11
99060107060 Grey Knight Inquisitor with Inferno Pist20-May-11
99060108077 Grey Knight Vindicare Assassin with Exit20-May-11
99060110022 Necron Lord and Resurrection Orb 20-May-11
99060101392 Space Marine Scout Sergeant Telion 20-May-11
99060108077 Witch Hunters Vindicare with Exitus Rifl20-May-11
99110104108 Eldar Fire Dragon Aspect Warrior Squad 03-Jun-11
99110105050 Imperial Guard Valhallan Squad 03-Jun-11
99119915046 Kairos Fateweaver, Oracle of Tzeentch 03-Jun-11
99060107067 Sisters of Battle Hospitaler 03-Jun-11
99060101315 Space Marine Chaplain in Terminator Armo03-Jun-11
99061209001 Warmaster: Orc Warriors 03-Jun-11
99060101026 Mephiston, Lord of Death 03-Jun-11
99110207116 Tomb Kings Casket of Souls 03-Jun-11
Thanks!
Madison Blair
Customer Service
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Post by: Orinoco
interesting to see necromunda is actually getting it's stuff redone.
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Post by: Lord of Deeds
Good thing none of those models are ones that anyone wants. I mean who would want any of the GK models like Draigo, the Vindicare Assassin, or Death Cult Assassins. Also who would want Tomb King or Liche Priest or Casket of Souls. It's not like they have a new army book coming out soon. 
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Post by: Brother SRM
Orinoco wrote:interesting to see necromunda is actually getting it's stuff redone.
I sincerely doubt it is.
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Post by: Portaljacker
That's sort of crazy that all that stuff isn't for sale, especially for the amries that just got new codices! This is seriously going to screw with me choosing my first army.
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Post by: StraightSilver
These models have not gone out of production, metal models are just going direct only from now on.
The models will still be available, it's just that you will have to order them in store and either pick them up or have them posted.
It is possible however that if they go strictly Direct Only that independents may have to pay more to stock them, which means they will no longer be able to sell them at a discount.
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Post by: Slinky
StraightSilver wrote:These models have not gone out of production, metal models are just going direct only from now on.
But then why is there such a delay before people can get hold of them, even ordered from GW directly?
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Post by: StraightSilver
Because the production of metal models will no longer apparently be in Lenton.
All of the moulds have been shipped oversees and the models will be produced there, which will reduce production costs.
This is why production has been stopped in batches, not all of the moulds were shipped at once.
This is what happened to Forge World, all of the moulds were shipped to China, and FW models are produced there now as it is much cheaper. GW paints are also produced overseas now, although I don't believe paints were ever produced in house but always by a third party, but I believe they used to be produced in the UK.
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Post by: Giaour36
Because the production of metal models will no longer apparently be in Lenton.
Hmm...not true at all. Production has not moved out of Lenton.
GW paints are also produced overseas now, although I don't believe paints were ever produced in house but always by a third party, but I believe they used to be produced in the UK.
Actually the opposite is true, the overseas facility in Shanghai, which did run the paint production line, was closed towards the end of last year. The equipment was shipped to Lenton for it be managed there.
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Post by: Starfarer
Lord of Deeds wrote:Good thing none of those models are ones that anyone wants. I mean who would want any of the GK models like Draigo, the Vindicare Assassin, or Death Cult Assassins. Also who would want Tomb King or Liche Priest or Casket of Souls. It's not like they have a new army book coming out soon.
Most likely they are not available because they sold out due to demand. See below.
Slinky wrote:StraightSilver wrote:These models have not gone out of production, metal models are just going direct only from now on.
But then why is there such a delay before people can get hold of them, even ordered from GW directly?
I ordered the GK Inquisitor a few weeks back, and I didn't get a email like the one posted above, so after a week or so of not receiving a shipping notice I called to check on the order. The answer I got was what I expected - they didn't have them in stock due to high demand. Since GW has multiple shipping centers, they were having to get more sent over from another center to the Tennessee center. So basically, to answer your question, they have multiple warehouses and some I guess can run out of inventory during periods of high demand. This is the case in the US at least.
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Post by: Lunchb0x
Orinoco wrote:interesting to see necromunda is actually getting it's stuff redone.
what when???????? Automatically Appended Next Post: Slinky wrote:StraightSilver wrote:These models have not gone out of production, metal models are just going direct only from now on.
But then why is there such a delay before people can get hold of them, even ordered from GW directly?
I havent had any issues with my direct orders.
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Post by: RiTides
Could someone clarify for me if I should rush and try to buy any of these, or wait for them to be "re-released" if that's the plan? I need 2 DE Clawed Fiends, and as they were just released, I didn't think there was any rush, but they're on the list.
Sorry for not going through the beast of a thread for an answer  just need some clarification...
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Post by: Lunchb0x
Its just going to direct sales only thats all.
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Post by: mikhaila
Lunchb0x wrote:Its just going to direct sales only thats all.
Just keep believing that.)
Steve, I really suggest if you need those models, that you grab them now. There are a lot of significant shortages from GW right now, and unavailable from Direct as well as Trade Sales. Little bits of orders are coming back in stock as they ship over from the UK. But this is a hell of a lot more than just metal going to direct.
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Post by: RiTides
Thanks, Mike! I'd rather be safe than sorry...
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Post by: Lunchb0x
mikhaila wrote:Lunchb0x wrote:Its just going to direct sales only thats all.
Just keep believing that.)
Steve, I really suggest if you need those models, that you grab them now. There are a lot of significant shortages from GW right now, and unavailable from Direct as well as Trade Sales. Little bits of orders are coming back in stock as they ship over from the UK. But this is a hell of a lot more than just metal going to direct.
Well from all the people Ive spoken too, its just going to direct.
Still waiting to hear about the comment earlier about necromunda getting remade.
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Post by: Brother SRM
Lunchb0x wrote:
Still waiting to hear about the comment earlier about necromunda getting remade.
Don't wait on that. That was one poster here in this thread who thought that was happening because some Necromunda models were part of the "discontinued" list.
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Post by: mikhaila
Lunchb0x wrote:mikhaila wrote:Lunchb0x wrote:Its just going to direct sales only thats all.
Just keep believing that.)
Steve, I really suggest if you need those models, that you grab them now. There are a lot of significant shortages from GW right now, and unavailable from Direct as well as Trade Sales. Little bits of orders are coming back in stock as they ship over from the UK. But this is a hell of a lot more than just metal going to direct.
Well from all the people Ive spoken too, its just going to direct.
Still waiting to hear about the comment earlier about necromunda getting remade.
Well, the people I speak to each week keep attatching this comment to emails:
WHILE SUPPLIES LAST METAL: I spoke with most of you in the last few weeks about the repackaging and format change to all of our main range metal models including both boxes and blisters. Please do not restock any of the metal items further notice. If any of your customers comes in with a special order for any metal items, then we will try to fulfill that order while supplies last. If you have any questions about this please feel free to contact me and I will to the best of my ability answer any questions you have. When more information is available we will let you know.
That's from Trade Sales. They have also said that their will be more info on the 16th of May. Until then, anything else is just redshirt talk. They get fired for leaking the truth.
There are a lot of items that aren't going to direct - They are unavailable completely. This is not just a repackaging or 'all goes to direct' deal. It's being handled differently, and affects every single code that has metal in it.
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Post by: Lorek
It also includes some pretty big sellers, like Hive Guard and Broadside Battlesuits. The latter especially is an army staple; those wouldn't be going direct only as they sell too well. (I'm sure there are more examples of this, but I'm lazy).
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Post by: Aspiring Champion
mikhaila wrote:
Well, the people I speak to each week keep attatching this comment to emails:
WHILE SUPPLIES LAST METAL: I spoke with most of you in the last few weeks about the repackaging and format change to all of our main range metal models including both boxes and blisters. Please do not restock any of the metal items further notice. If any of your customers comes in with a special order for any metal items, then we will try to fulfill that order while supplies last. If you have any questions about this please feel free to contact me and I will to the best of my ability answer any questions you have. When more information is available we will let you know.
That's from Trade Sales. They have also said that their will be more info on the 16th of May. Until then, anything else is just redshirt talk. They get fired for leaking the truth.
There are a lot of items that aren't going to direct - They are unavailable completely. This is not just a repackaging or 'all goes to direct' deal. It's being handled differently, and affects every single code that has metal in it.
I'm not seeing anything in that email that says it's not going to be a direct only deal, but in new packaging (bags instead of blisters, etc). Do Trade Sales staff not get fired for leaking the truth? Whatever happens, I think we can all agree that it will only benefit GW and somehow we'll all be paying more. 
I don't suppose you've got a box of Emperor's Children on the shelf looking for a good home? 
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Post by: NAVARRO
Aspiring Champion wrote: Whatever happens, I think we can all agree that it will only benefit GW and somehow we'll all be paying more.
Dont know much about that, but personally I find it frustating to pay huge shipping prices for direct only GWUK items and I dont intend to hunt down dozens of metals just because GW decided to make those unavailable... One thing is the rare limited edition mini that is kind of a pleasure to hunt down for your collection another completly diferent story is to do that to all the metals you need for your army.
As I said earlier I hope they have some nice alternatives for this because atm I'm not a happy bugger and I doubt I will enter the race to nail all the metals I need.
All this mess in comunicating with the fanbase and stores that supports them creates a bubble of frustation that will burst if they dont deliver something special to compensate the agravation... all could have been avoided.
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Post by: Portaljacker
At my local GW I bought up a Chaplain w Jump Pack, Mephiston and Astorath just in case, since I'm starting Blood Angels soon. Didn't want to have to wait in case I needed them. They also had a Dante, but the costs were climbing after this many, hopefully I won't need him right away, besides, how many named characters could I need?
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Post by: oni
StraightSilver wrote:Because the production of metal models will no longer apparently be in Lenton.
All of the moulds have been shipped oversees and the models will be produced there, which will reduce production costs.
This is why production has been stopped in batches, not all of the moulds were shipped at once.
This is what happened to Forge World, all of the moulds were shipped to China, and FW models are produced there now as it is much cheaper. GW paints are also produced overseas now, although I don't believe paints were ever produced in house but always by a third party, but I believe they used to be produced in the UK.
Until GW releses an official statement, I'm going to go with this. It's far more believable and realistic.
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Post by: Howard A Treesong
oni wrote:StraightSilver wrote:Because the production of metal models will no longer apparently be in Lenton.
All of the moulds have been shipped oversees and the models will be produced there, which will reduce production costs.
This is why production has been stopped in batches, not all of the moulds were shipped at once.
This is what happened to Forge World, all of the moulds were shipped to China, and FW models are produced there now as it is much cheaper. GW paints are also produced overseas now, although I don't believe paints were ever produced in house but always by a third party, but I believe they used to be produced in the UK.
Until GW releses an official statement, I'm going to go with this. It's far more believable and realistic.
And disappointing. For all the irritations of GW and their price rises and other nonsense at least you could say you were supporting a british company producing in the UK. Now they won't even be doing that.
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Post by: ChrisWWII
Hey, for us Americans it makes no difference. We already were buying out-of-country.
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Post by: The Decapitator
NAVARRO wrote:Aspiring Champion wrote: Whatever happens, I think we can all agree that it will only benefit GW and somehow we'll all be paying more.
Dont know much about that, but personally I find it frustating to pay huge shipping prices for direct only GWUK items and I dont intend to hunt down dozens of metals just because GW decided to make those unavailable... One thing is the rare limited edition mini that is kind of a pleasure to hunt down for your collection another completly diferent story is to do that to all the metals you need for your army.
As I said earlier I hope they have some nice alternatives for this because atm I'm not a happy bugger and I doubt I will enter the race to nail all the metals I need.
All this mess in comunicating with the fanbase and stores that supports them creates a bubble of frustation that will burst if they dont deliver something special to compensate the agravation... all could have been avoided.
To be fair to GW, they haven't really said anything regarding what is actually happenning apart from to say that there will be an announcement on 16th May. Any speculation which may have caused your 'bubble of frustration' has come about by people trying to second guess GW and people spreading unfounded rumours. As we all know, sometimes peoples wishlisting on forums such as this get misinterpreted and misquoted later down the line as possible rumours and even fact! We all know you cant believe everything that you read on the net, and if you are frustrated because GW hasn't released information sooner because of the amount time people have been speculating about a possible materials change etc, then it's your own fault and not theirs.
Whilst there's nothing wrong in discussing the announcement, GW have no obligation to anyone to change their plans just because people are either not willing or unable to wait until the planned date instead of getting annoyed at the constant cycle of speculation and rumours which flood the Internet.
I suggest if people are unable to take rumors and discussion for what it is, then they stop reading them until they can learn to separate reality and wishful thinking.
When GW announce what they are doing with regards to metal models/direct orders and model availability, then we'll have a definitive answer to what's going on and not before. If people want to discuss how much they love/hate it after that then they can to their hearts content.
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Post by: NAVARRO
The Decapitator wrote:NAVARRO wrote:Aspiring Champion wrote: Whatever happens, I think we can all agree that it will only benefit GW and somehow we'll all be paying more.
Dont know much about that, but personally I find it frustating to pay huge shipping prices for direct only GWUK items and I dont intend to hunt down dozens of metals just because GW decided to make those unavailable... One thing is the rare limited edition mini that is kind of a pleasure to hunt down for your collection another completly diferent story is to do that to all the metals you need for your army.
As I said earlier I hope they have some nice alternatives for this because atm I'm not a happy bugger and I doubt I will enter the race to nail all the metals I need.
All this mess in comunicating with the fanbase and stores that supports them creates a bubble of frustation that will burst if they dont deliver something special to compensate the agravation... all could have been avoided.
To be fair to GW, they haven't really said anything regarding what is actually happenning apart from to say that there will be an announcement on 16th May. Any speculation which may have caused your 'bubble of frustration' has come about by people trying to second guess GW and people spreading unfounded rumours. As we all know, sometimes peoples wishlisting on forums such as this get misinterpreted and misquoted later down the line as possible rumours and even fact! We all know you cant believe everything that you read on the net, and if you are frustrated because GW hasn't released information sooner because of the amount time people have been speculating about a possible materials change etc, then it's your own fault and not theirs.
Whilst there's nothing wrong in discussing the announcement, GW have no obligation to anyone to change their plans just because people are either not willing or unable to wait until the planned date instead of getting annoyed at the constant cycle of speculation and rumours which flood the Internet.
I suggest if people are unable to take rumors and discussion for what it is, then they stop reading them until they can learn to separate reality and wishful thinking.
When GW announce what they are doing with regards to metal models/direct orders and model availability, then we'll have a definitive answer to what's going on and not before. If people want to discuss how much they love/hate it after that then they can to their hearts content.
I think you missed part of the posts on this thread... there are people here that have stores and have conections and are out of a clarification by GW to why they cant order more metals... This builts a obvious tension and frustation to store owners and GW clients in general and these I'm afraid are not net unfounded rumours
GW has no obligations apart delivering a product and providing a service and we are free to discuss if both are being delivered... In this case a reading of the facts on the table I can IMO post that the comunication is a bit non existant and its not par with the actions taken towards metals so far... That builts up a tension and as I said before it was all avoidable if the actions and the anouncements timmings were better planed.
Sure that on forums theres lots of speculations but thats not the full content of this thread and not the reason I say theres a bubble of frustation that will built up expectations in not a positive way.
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Post by: AJCarrington
Similar to Navarro's comments above, the issue (for me) is a lack of info from GW explaining the reasoning/strategy behind the recent removal of items available to order. Typically, one would expect an update PRIOR to the changes taking place, rather than after, to prevent rumors and such from generating negative feeback. The guys at my FLGS have expressed the same frustration and confusion noted by other in this thread...it has direct bearing on the store's income.
AJC
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Post by: Kroothawk
StraightSilver wrote:Because the production of metal models will no longer apparently be in Lenton.
All of the moulds have been shipped oversees and the models will be produced there, which will reduce production costs.
This is why production has been stopped in batches, not all of the moulds were shipped at once.
This is what happened to Forge World, all of the moulds were shipped to China, and FW models are produced there now as it is much cheaper. GW paints are also produced overseas now, although I don't believe paints were ever produced in house but always by a third party, but I believe they used to be produced in the UK.
Aren't you several years late with this statement? GW just closed their China production and moved it back to UK, trying to forget the China adventure.
From the thread about the last financial report:
Kroothawk wrote:Some things hidden in the report:
(...)
The only Chinese factory will be closed and paint and resin operations go back to Nottingham. This still allows for external production in China like printing or large moulds (ROB).
http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/90/342095.page
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Post by: oni
Kroothawk wrote:StraightSilver wrote:Because the production of metal models will no longer apparently be in Lenton.
All of the moulds have been shipped oversees and the models will be produced there, which will reduce production costs.
This is why production has been stopped in batches, not all of the moulds were shipped at once.
This is what happened to Forge World, all of the moulds were shipped to China, and FW models are produced there now as it is much cheaper. GW paints are also produced overseas now, although I don't believe paints were ever produced in house but always by a third party, but I believe they used to be produced in the UK.
Aren't you several years late with this statement? GW just closed their China production and moved it back to UK, trying to forget the CHina adventure.
Whether things were moved from Lenton to China or from China back to Lenton there's still going to be a considerable interruption in production.
Personally I think the relocation (no matter the direction) of production makes the most sense compared to a materials change and/or going to direct order only.
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Post by: Kroothawk
I believe the confrmation by Harry that some kind of resin will come.
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Post by: Redbeard
mikhaila wrote:
Steve, I really suggest if you need those models, that you grab them now. There are a lot of significant shortages from GW right now, and unavailable from Direct as well as Trade Sales. Little bits of orders are coming back in stock as they ship over from the UK. But this is a hell of a lot more than just metal going to direct.
I just talked to a guy at GW customer service (redshirt level possibly, I don't know) about an order I'd placed a couple weeks ago that was still delayed. He told me that things are delayed because they're shifting metal to direct-only, and that the longer-than-normal waits are due to shortages caused by panic buying in response to the rumours of no-more-metal. I don't know the truth behind these statements, but I was told that they had one guy order 72 Jokaeros, and another put in an order for over 20 broadsides, and that these sorts of overly large orders were what was impacting their ability to get back on time. He said originally they were scheduled to be back on track mid-may, but with the extra shortages, they're expecting to be back to normal around July.
Again, I'm not attempting to interpret this, just reporting what I was told when I called.
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Post by: Grunt_For_Christ
Thank you for reporting this. I'll be relaying this to my local gaming store and see if we can piece together some part of the truth. I'm still waffling between buying my hive guard and just waiting to see what happens.
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Post by: Elindiel
What would one do with 70+ of a metal model? I would assume that order was for an Amazon or Ebay seller right?
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Post by: Sinful Hero
My order for a Dark Eldar Archon and Space Marine Librarian should be coming in a few days. (Placed it april 29) I can let anyone know if it's resin or metal... 
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Post by: Iamjack42
Sinful Hero wrote:My order for a Dark Eldar Archon and Space Marine Librarian should be coming in a few days. (Placed it april 29) I can let anyone know if it's resin or metal...
I can let you know right now.
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Post by: Aspiring Champion
mikhaila wrote:From an email from GW. Dates are when these items will be back in stock at GW mailorder in the US.
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I wonder if this happened? I just got an email from Wayland cancelling my order for Plague Marines because they can't get them, so it looks like the UK aren't getting the same fulfilment timeline.
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Post by: Sinful Hero
Iamjack42 wrote:Sinful Hero wrote:My order for a Dark Eldar Archon and Space Marine Librarian should be coming in a few days. (Placed it april 29) I can let anyone know if it's resin or metal...
I can let you know right now.
 I'm fairly sure they're going to be metal myself, I just noticed there was a post a few messages up about still believing some type of resin is coming... Course I'll know for sure in a few days. 
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Post by: Ehsteve
Aspiring Champion wrote:mikhaila wrote:From an email from GW. Dates are when these items will be back in stock at GW mailorder in the US.
25-Apr-11
99110102083 Chaos Space Marines Plague Marines
I wonder if this happened? I just got an email from Wayland cancelling my order for Plague Marines because they can't get them, so it looks like the UK aren't getting the same fulfilment timeline.
Unfortunate. I can only hope my Iron Warrior conversion kits are able to make it through from Wayland, I need them for the Armies on Parade.
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Post by: CushionRide
i still need to get an astorath model, every time i tried to order it through my store it was backordered. now i see it on discontinued lists? that makes no sense.
redbeards comment makes sense, i hope gw gets their acts together
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Post by: oni
I was nosing around GWs site today and noticed that all of the metal models have updated availability. Most are several weeks out, some are over a month.
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Post by: Turalon
Well this is just getting ridiculous, why doesn't GW make a statement? I don't remember them being so obsessed with secrecy in the past (albeit I wasn't playing for a few years).
If there is no more metal then say so, if it's getting relocated then say that.
Maybe then people will stop making huge orders of random models.
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Post by: misfit
Well i put in an order through GW and got an email stating my order wouldn't be complete due to out of stock items. They sent me a list with the items they are out of. The particular model i was wanting was Astorath.
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Post by: Portaljacker
So glad I picked Astorath up on Saturday. Jump pack Chaplain too since you can't even order it.
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Post by: Redbeard
@Turalon - given that, when asked, GW says they're backordered due to panic buying, does it make any sense for them to make an announcement and cause more panic buying?
From my talk with them, it's a move to make all (or almost all) metals direct only, and put more plastics on the shelves at their stores. I don't think the sky is falling. (In fact, I think I said that back on page three as well). I had just placed an order for some stuff, some of it metal. Most of it went out, but the monkeys were delayed because of whoever needed 72 of them - probably just to resell on ebay.
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Post by: Ninjakinshu
They are discontinuing every last special character for VC, King of Bretonnia, and all the Dwarf Slayers? This doens't make any sense *at all* unless they are going to resin or really are just repackaging. But I see a lot of armies that are going to be utterly incomplete if this really is what they are doing.
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Post by: redeyed
bah shame the announcement is still a ways off, I am very curious to find out exactly what is happening!!
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Post by: pett443
idk cause they are pretty much getting rid of all of the necron stuff and i think many people play with them  Automatically Appended Next Post: Just when im about to buy a commisar for IG they pull this. 
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Post by: Vimes
pett443 wrote:idk cause they are pretty much getting rid of all of the necron stuff and i think many people play with them
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Just when im about to buy a commisar for IG they pull this.
Well, it´s seems pretty certain now that those discontinued models are being redone in Finecast, so at worst you´ll have to wait a little while longer (and pay a few bucks more).
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Post by: Zathras
Checking the list I did notice 3 that were not on it....Ragnar Blackmane, Ulrik the Slayer and Bjorn the Fell Handed. Hopefull this means we'll be getting new versions of these, especially Ragnar...ugly model that desperately needs updating.
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Post by: Kroothawk
End of week, ALL metal and hybrid blisters and boxes are gone from retail (only FLGS selling off their stock). They are converted to Finecast, direct only or completelty discontinued.
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Post by: spaceelf
Kroothawk wrote:End of week, ALL metal and hybrid blisters and boxes are gone from retail (only FLGS selling off their stock). They are converted to Finecast, direct only or completelty discontinued.
Another genius move. Send back hundreds of blisters and boxes and replace them with only 100 finecast models. They probably think that this is a great way to cut costs, simply not have any products in the stores. Evidently GW does not think that people want to buy products at retail establishments, but they operate retail establishments.
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Post by: H.B.M.C.
And of course they won't tell us which models are discontinued.
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Post by: Sidstyler
Well, that's partially true...we don't like buying GW products at retail establishments because the full retail price is INSANE for 99% of what they have to offer.
And apparently GW is moving ever backwards, slowly getting to the point where we either buy it directly from them, or we don't buy it at all.
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Post by: spaceelf
Sidstyler wrote:Well, that's partially true...we don't like buying GW products at retail establishments because the full retail price is INSANE for 99% of what they have to offer.
And apparently GW is moving ever backwards, slowly getting to the point where we either buy it directly from them, or we don't buy it at all.
The latter is an option that many of us are exercising.
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