Ooh, difficult, but I vote either Ynnead or Eldrad Ulthran. Fact is, I don't care how big your giant sword (definiteky not a phallic reference) is, because you will never get to use it. Instead a series of lightning raids will cause you to give up on the Eldar and go fight a massive war on Armageddon while Eldrad laughs at you (from a safe distance).
Then there's Ynnead, and it's hard to argue against a god who will (at least the Eldar say so):
Destroy the chaos gods
Cause every star in the galaxy to supernova
Kill every living thing in the galaxy
Recreate the Eldar in his image (?)
So tell me, did the Emperor do that? He kicked a C'tan (so has Eldrad), and is possibly the least successful father EVER.
TEMPERUS MAXIMUS wrote:Ooh, difficult, but I vote either Ynnead or Eldrad Ulthran. Fact is, I don't care how big your giant sword (definiteky not a phallic reference) is, because you will never get to use it. Instead a series of lightning raids will cause you to give up on the Eldar and go fight a massive war on Armageddon while Eldrad laughs at you (from a safe distance).
Then there's Ynnead, and it's hard to argue against a god who will (at least the Eldar say so):
Destroy the chaos gods
Cause every star in the galaxy to supernova
Kill every living thing in the galaxy
Recreate the Eldar in his image (?)
So tell me, did the Emperor do that? He kicked a C'tan (so has Eldrad), and is possibly the least successful father EVER.
Did you miss the part where Eldrad died? Died as in not laughing at anyone. I haven't heard anything about Eldrad beating a C'tan before, what's your source on that one? While I'm at it, Ynnead is only supposed to wipe out Slaanesh, the rest is completely male bovine droppings.
Chuck norris has it in for you who didn't vote for him! ;D But where is the laughing god? he just laughs at stuff, and owns the biggest circus in the galaxy! Admit it, even chaos must be a little scared of clowns! ;L
TEMPERUS MAXIMUS wrote:Ooh, difficult, but I vote either Ynnead or Eldrad Ulthran. Fact is, I don't care how big your giant sword (definiteky not a phallic reference) is, because you will never get to use it. Instead a series of lightning raids will cause you to give up on the Eldar and go fight a massive war on Armageddon while Eldrad laughs at you (from a safe distance).
Then there's Ynnead, and it's hard to argue against a god who will (at least the Eldar say so): Destroy the chaos gods Cause every star in the galaxy to supernova Kill every living thing in the galaxy Recreate the Eldar in his image (?)
So tell me, did the Emperor do that? He kicked a C'tan (so has Eldrad), and is possibly the least successful father EVER.
Did you miss the part where Eldrad died? Died as in not laughing at anyone. I haven't heard anything about Eldrad beating a C'tan before, what's your source on that one? While I'm at it, Ynnead is only supposed to wipe out Slaanesh, the rest is completely male bovine droppings.
Agreed Walrus. What is this tripe?
Sledgio wrote:Chuck norris has it in for you who didn't vote for him! ;D But where is the laughing god? he just laughs at stuff, and owns the biggest circus in the galaxy! Admit it, even chaos must be a little scared of clowns! ;L
The Laughing God.... Cegorach you mean EDIT: NM. i could have sworn that there was a Cegorach option
Shouldn't Cegorach be a possibility?
I mean he might not have the direct might of Kaela Mensha Khaine, but he's badass and is virtually untouchable. He plays his tricks on the Chaos Gods which means the guy is messing with Tzeentch, that's gotta be a sign of pure badassness.
He runs away. That's not power. Had Slaanesh not been occupied with Khain, Cegorach would be dead.
And on the Ynnead thing, there is no guarantee that Ynnead will beat Slaanesh. Their battle will give more power to Khorne, so there's no way that Ynnead will kill him. As for killing everything in the Galaxy, there's a lot of people trying to do that already.
Actually, Ynnead would be part of the Rhana Dandra which is literally the death of everything, including the Eldar. So yeah, if Ynnead will only kill Slaanesh, then that's because everything other than Slaanesh will be dead at that moment. Assuming that the Rhana Dandra will actually happen.
King Pariah wrote:And by making every star supernova, you give birth to just that many more C'tan. lovely.
No you dont.
They feed on Stars, and are born of stars but they dont just pop out of them when they explode.In Fact:
Lexicanum wrote:The C'tan (Eldar Yngir) are said to be the oldest beings in existence. It is said that they were created at the very beginning of the universe, spawned from swirling gases and enormous amounts of energy, and as such are etheric creatures by nature1. In their natural form they are vast beings and spread themselves over the surface of a star, sucking at its energy to feed itself.
King Pariah wrote:And by making every star supernova, you give birth to just that many more C'tan. lovely.
No you dont.
They feed on Stars, and are born of stars but they dont just pop out of them when they explode.In Fact:
Lexicanum wrote:The C'tan (Eldar Yngir) are said to be the oldest beings in existence. It is said that they were created at the very beginning of the universe, spawned from swirling gases and enormous amounts of energy, and as such are etheric creatures by nature1. In their natural form they are vast beings and spread themselves over the surface of a star, sucking at its energy to feed itself.
It's actually a speculation of mine that since the big bang pretty much gave birth to the C'tan, then any similar event would also in turn spawn more C'tan.
King Pariah wrote:And by making every star supernova, you give birth to just that many more C'tan. lovely.
No you dont.
They feed on Stars, and are born of stars but they dont just pop out of them when they explode.In Fact:
Lexicanum wrote:The C'tan (Eldar Yngir) are said to be the oldest beings in existence. It is said that they were created at the very beginning of the universe, spawned from swirling gases and enormous amounts of energy, and as such are etheric creatures by nature1. In their natural form they are vast beings and spread themselves over the surface of a star, sucking at its energy to feed itself.
It's actually a speculation of mine that since the big bang pretty much gave birth to the C'tan, then any similar event would also in turn spawn more C'tan.
Well say that then, rather than make an expansive statement (btw,i cant put the tone of this across - damn internet! - but i dont mean this accusingly, more helpful )
Wooly wrote:Actually, Ynnead would be part of the Rhana Dandra which is literally the death of everything, including the Eldar. So yeah, if Ynnead will only kill Slaanesh, then that's because everything other than Slaanesh will be dead at that moment. Assuming that the Rhana Dandra will actually happen.
Can I just ask where the fluff comes from to back this up?
The Eldar Codex only says that many Eldar seers (include Eldrad, so it is probably true) believe that Ynnead will be spawned when all the Eldar are dead in the Rhana Dandra. The Eldar codex even states that it is not known which other races are involved, so it could result in the death of anything, everything or nothing, but either way there will be no Eldar life at this point. And if this is the death of everything, surely everything will be dead, so Ynnead will not need to kill Slaanesh given the fact that she/he is already dead. Therefore Chaos will not be destroyed in the Rhana Dandra, whether it is a 'star spanning apocalypse' or not.
Either way, I voted Ynnead as well, simply because we do not know how much power he/she has. Becuase of this, there isn't really a point arguing for or against Ynnead, as we don't actually know that much about him/her.
Also (for everyone that is talking about stars going supernova), 'star spanning apocalypse' does not mean that loads of stars will explode, it means that the Rhana Dandra will cover a large geographical area of the galaxy.
If I have totally bodged this or anyone has any fluff that contradicts any of this I would be very happy to read it / listen to you.
Omegus wrote:Not all the fighting. Slaanesh can draw as much from the battlefield as Khorne.
Not really. Slaanesh can draw from torture and pain on the battlefield (wounds) but there will likely be more blood than anything...especially since you don't have time to feel pain when hit by a scout titan's plasma blastgun.
Ok, thanks. Forgot to check Lexicanum and so missed the 'destruction of the materium and immaterium' and what-not.
Wooly wrote:Doesn't the Codex say that Rhana Dandra is basically the end of the world (at least both Chaos and Eldar meet their end).
I'm not sure if the current Codex actually says that (can't really check as I have temporarily misplaced my Codex), but if the Lexicanum quote is right then I think that it is safe to say that that is correct.
G00fySmiley wrote:some orks can read, it is in the ork codex under komandoes "some can even read" so they have some book smarts.. even if is is just see spot run
but yea orks are... orks they are plenty intelligent just on the subject of war. and how to make war/ get to more war, just means they are focused
I can build a house from the ground up, pull the permits and get it all done which some might say takes intelligence or some might say takes is learning the right subjects... but i can't tailror my own cloths... does that mean I'm dumb because i can't sew or does it mean I would rather put my energy in a different subject?
Now this is a great way to put Ork intelligence into perspective.
Vires` wrote:I'd say Tzneentch cause you can't really beat him cause he's a schemer and he takes the form of others.
But the God Emperor of Mankind is the best of them all!
Also aren't Nurgle,Khorne,Slaneesh,and Tzneentch scared of Malal?
Why should they? Last time i checked they fear only Draigo...
Any man who dares look within the unholy black pages of The Great Book of Despair, that foul tome held sacred by worshippers of Chaos, would find the following words:"...and he that went before now came last, and that which was white and black and all direction was thrown against itself. Grown mightily indignant at the words of the Gods, Malal did turn his heart against them and flee into the chambers of space . . . And no man looked to Malal then, save those that serve that which they hate, who smile upon their misfortune, and who bear no love save for the damned. At such times as a warrior's heart turns to Malal, all Gods of Chaos grow fearful, and the laughter of the Outcast God fills the tomb of space . . ."
Vires` wrote:I'd say Tzneentch cause you can't really beat him cause he's a schemer and he takes the form of others.
But the God Emperor of Mankind is the best of them all!
Also aren't Nurgle,Khorne,Slaneesh,and Tzneentch scared of Malal?
Why should they? Last time i checked they fear only Draigo...
Any man who dares look within the unholy black pages of The Great Book of Despair, that foul tome held sacred by worshippers of Chaos, would find the following words:"...and he that went before now came last, and that which was white and black and all direction was thrown against itself. Grown mightily indignant at the words of the Gods, Malal did turn his heart against them and flee into the chambers of space . . . And no man looked to Malal then, save those that serve that which they hate, who smile upon their misfortune, and who bear no love save for the damned. At such times as a warrior's heart turns to Malal, all Gods of Chaos grow fearful, and the laughter of the Outcast God fills the tomb of space . . ."
Unfortunately, GW is trying their best to rid themselves of Malal after that whole firing and copyright issue (won't stop my Sons of Malice though)
However there are rumors that he may come back but with a different name.
guyperson5 wrote:I think you're forgetting Asuryan who's like the Eldar Pheonix King or something (no, not Asurmen)
Well The Phoenix King, Asuryan was the king and the most powerful deity of the pantheon of Eldar gods. He was believed to be the psychic might of the whole universe. While the mythic cycles seem to indicate that he held sway over all the others, he was nevertheless consumed by Slaanesh. So yea he's gone.
interesting point, slaanesh draws power from ALL sensation, and ALL lack of sensation, so no matter what happens EVERYTHING that has sensation is feeding him power, rgardless of who they are or what they do or where they are or who they may be afffiliated with, EVERYTHING gives him power,
so technically even the god emperor of man gives one of his enemies more of the strength that he needs to be victorious
its my personal belief that the amout of power slaanesh has in him will reach critical mass at some point. What happenes then i have o idea... galaxy spanning orgy perhaps?
Random thought, but couldn't Ynead(sp.) as god of death feed off the death of humans, meaning that he could quickly become a powerhouse compared to Slaanesh.
Asgeirr Darkwolf wrote:What happens then is slaanesh gets such a huge orgasm that he dies. Put THAT in your pie and eat it.
See now that makes me laugh.... got to tell my GF that, she will laugh so hard
Automatically Appended Next Post: and sure, he could, but iwill garuntee that for every death each of those men has had a billion or more sensations, possibly hundreds of billions of sensations, and if there are hundreds of billions of lives being thrown away by commissars then sure Yneead(sp) will be getting the power, but each of those hundreds of billions of men will have had hundreds of billions of sensations
and death itself is a sensation, so for every death that increases Yneeads(sp) power it also increases Slaanesh's power
i couldnt agree more, but im far to loyal to my chosen chaos god to think anything otherwise than that hesheit will eventually be dominant over everything
First of all, let me just say Chuck Norris actually has a karate record, aka foitin' in tournaments and stuff. A very impressive one. 183–10–2, to be exact. So whoever said something about Norris not being a real martial artist or whatever, was wrong. He has much more credibility as an actual fighter than Bruce Lee, were it not for the fact that Norris seems to believe Lee was the superior fighter. Lee is overrated.
But I digress.
There is no easy answer.
One must remember the circumstances of Khaine's fight with Slaanesh. Slaanesh was already amplified by devouring the other Eldar gods, but one thing often forgotten which I mentioned in another thread, is that by the time Slaanesh was born, the entire Eldar pantheon was long weakened, due to most Eldar ceasing worship of them. So a weakened Khaine gave an amped Slaanesh a good fight, but Slaanesh was unable to kill Khaine. So it is not at all unreasonable to think that Khaine in his prime is more powerful than Slaanesh. The Eldar gods are underrated, well except Cegorach, who rightly gets respect, although Khaine is confirmed more powerful. Or rather, was more powerful.
As for the Hive Mind, I fail to see how a being whom fears the Outsider enough to give it a 1,000 lightyear-wide berth when invading the galaxy, can be considered the strongest.
In the Warp, the strongest are undoubtedly Gork and Mork. It is confirmed that the other gods cannot so much as harm them, they are clearly on another level, fighting the other gods is like a game to them. To say Khorne is stronger is to directly ignore what fluff explicitly states.
But that is the Immaterium, and of course the gods of the Warp are incapable of directly doing stuff and things there. So in the Materium, the strongest being would be the Void Dragon, strongest of the C'tan, at its prime, IMO (Stop looking at my username and calling me a fanboy D: ). The Emperor was able to defeat a weakened Void Dragon, yes, one that had survived an attack from 13 (I think) Blackstone Fortresses, each one being a powerful weapon in terms of conventional damage alone, but also utilizing power the C'tan are explicitly weak against. The power of a C'tan in the Materium is immense, entire solar systems disappear from the result of their battles.
As for the Emperor, well, he is said to be more powerful in the Warp. I could honestly buy him being a match for a Chaos God there. But stronger than all four? I doubt it personally, yes, he bested Horus and fubarred his soul, but was it said he had to literally defeat all four of the Gods to do this? And was it not an incredibly "NOT KEWL" experience for him too, which one could liken to a nigh-suicide attack of desperation?
Void__Dragon wrote:First of all, let me just say Chuck Norris actually has a karate record, aka foitin' in tournaments and stuff. A very impressive one. 183–10–2, to be exact. So whoever said something about Norris not being a real martial artist or whatever, was wrong. He has much more credibility as an actual fighter than Bruce Lee, were it not for the fact that Norris seems to believe Lee was the superior fighter. Lee is overrated.
But I digress.
T.
So going on what you said about fighters being on different levels, firstly chuck norris is american, and yes if you actually practice any style of martial arts, traditional and asian/European styles pf fighting are first more well respected and have always thought be be more "bloodsport" as wel call it, take it from 8 year kyokushin'ist. Most of chuck Norris' tournements were in fact based in "america" like this one lol All-American Karate Championship (1967) which he did win. he even admits that bruce lee was a superier fighter then himself so i honestly dont see how you can dissagree with the person who you are subjecting.
and idk where you got his record from, i did know he was undefeated for a long time.
and also these gimic jokes have somewhat destroyed what respect he did have left.
tl;dr american martial arts are considered wimpish compared to traditional bloodsports and C.N is american martialartist.
Tyranic Marta wrote:i couldnt agree more, but im far to loyal to my chosen chaos god to think anything otherwise than that hesheit will eventually be dominant over everything
But the last codex does say that Khorne ultimately will outlast Slaanesh. So hesheit will have to find a way to beat Khorne before that becomes an issue.
Also, surely Slaanesh could prevent ever having to find out if Ynnead can beat himherit by capturing a single Eldar, mutating it so it's immortal and torturing it for all eternity.
Vires` wrote:I'd say Tzneentch cause you can't really beat him cause he's a schemer and he takes the form of others.
But the God Emperor of Mankind is the best of them all!
Also aren't Nurgle,Khorne,Slaneesh,and Tzneentch scared of Malal?
The Emperor is dead. He isn't, and never was, stronger than the Chaos Gods.
Few things. Firstly, he is alive, it's the whole point of The Golden Throne, to keep him alive . Secondly, all four Chaos Gods fear his power, there's a reason they call him The Anathema. They fear him because he is a God in the material universe, they can do literally nothing directly to him, they had to find other means.
Void__Dragon wrote:First of all, let me just say Chuck Norris actually has a karate record, aka foitin' in tournaments and stuff. A very impressive one. 183–10–2, to be exact. So whoever said something about Norris not being a real martial artist or whatever, was wrong. He has much more credibility as an actual fighter than Bruce Lee, were it not for the fact that Norris seems to believe Lee was the superior fighter. Lee is overrated.
But I digress.
T.
So going on what you said about fighters being on different levels, firstly chuck norris is american, and yes if you actually practice any style of martial arts, traditional and asian/European styles pf fighting are first more well respected and have always thought be be more "bloodsport" as wel call it, take it from 8 year kyokushin'ist. Most of chuck Norris' tournements were in fact based in "america" like this one lol All-American Karate Championship (1967) which he did win. he even admits that bruce lee was a superier fighter then himself so i honestly dont see how you can dissagree with the person who you are subjecting.
and idk where you got his record from, i did know he was undefeated for a long time.
and also these gimic jokes have somewhat destroyed what respect he did have left.
tl;dr american martial arts are considered wimpish compared to traditional bloodsports and C.N is american martialartist.
ProphetWaaagh! wrote:Chuch Norris can never be beaten. He is invincible and would batter them all any day.
Ok, firstly I find it pretty good that someone actually went out and found Chuck Norris' combat record, good on you. But on a serious note, no matter what your opinion of Chuck Norris is he is not even included in the 40k universe, never mind being the most powerful entity in it, and in anticipation of people who say that if Chuck Norris decides that he is in the 40k universe, he is included in it; haha, very funny.
Chuck Norris has already been discussed in detail in this thread, and every time it has devolved into some Chuck Norris fans arguing with Bruce Lee fans.
Well yeah, non-serious polls are great, and I enjoyed reading the Chuck Norris Vs Bruce Lee debates for the first few times, but repeating the same 'Chuck Norris is awesome' points over and over again is a bit like hearing a joke so many times it's not funny anymore.
Omegus wrote:Not all the fighting. Slaanesh can draw as much from the battlefield as Khorne.
Not really. Slaanesh can draw from torture and pain on the battlefield (wounds) but there will likely be more blood than anything...especially since you don't have time to feel pain when hit by a scout titan's plasma blastgun.
Meh, any warrior who actually cares about the level of opponent he's facing is feeding Slaanesh as much as Khorne. It's not just torture and pain... it's the sounds of clashing blades and gunfire and the screams of the wounded and dying, the smell of gunpowder and blood and charred flesh, the sensation of your blade kissing their flesh and theirs caressing yours in turn, the hatred in your opponent's eyes slowly giving way to crushing despair , the affirmation of your superiority over a capable foe, etc. etc.
Slaanesh is about far more than just boners and cutting yourself.
Omegus wrote:Meh, any warrior who actually cares about the level of opponent he's facing is feeding Slaanesh as much as Khorne. It's not just torture and pain... it's the sounds of clashing blades and gunfire and the screams of the wounded and dying, the smell of gunpowder and blood and charred flesh, the sensation of your blade kissing their flesh and theirs caressing yours in turn, the hatred in your opponent's eyes slowly giving way to crushing despair , the affirmation of your superiority over a capable foe, etc. etc.
Slaanesh is about far more than just boners and cutting yourself.
Doesn't Slaanesh draw from excess of all kinds, as well as stuff like perfectionism? Aka, a swordsman obsessed with perfecting his skill is feeding Slaanesh? Similar to how IIRC Slaanesh also has domain over the arts?
Exactly. A warrior who relishes the challenge of a good fight arguably belongs more to Slaanesh than Khorne. A good fight is just slowing down the blood-letting, as far as Khorne is concerned. As the saying goes, "Khorne cares not whence the blood flows, only that it flows."
Hell, you could probably slaughter chickens all day and keep that simpleton happy.
Void__Dragon wrote:First of all, let me just say Chuck Norris actually has a karate record, aka foitin' in tournaments and stuff. A very impressive one. 183–10–2, to be exact. So whoever said something about Norris not being a real martial artist or whatever, was wrong. He has much more credibility as an actual fighter than Bruce Lee, were it not for the fact that Norris seems to believe Lee was the superior fighter. Lee is overrated.
But I digress.
T.
So going on what you said about fighters being on different levels, firstly chuck norris is american, and yes if you actually practice any style of martial arts, traditional and asian/European styles pf fighting are first more well respected and have always thought be be more "bloodsport" as wel call it, take it from 8 year kyokushin'ist. Most of chuck Norris' tournements were in fact based in "america" like this one lol All-American Karate Championship (1967) which he did win. he even admits that bruce lee was a superier fighter then himself so i honestly dont see how you can dissagree with the person who you are subjecting.
and idk where you got his record from, i did know he was undefeated for a long time.
and also these gimic jokes have somewhat destroyed what respect he did have left.
tl;dr american martial arts are considered wimpish compared to traditional bloodsports and C.N is american martialartist.
I love how EVERY non American that runs out of valid argument material, instantly pulls that one. Our X is better because the American X is weak/wimpy/crappy/stupid. Next your going to start picking apart spelling and grammar errors
But you also have to admit that Void Dragon's argument is borderline braindead. "This guy who I think is a super awesome fighter thinks this other guy is a way superior fighter, but I think that other guy is an overrated chump."
Oh god no I wouldnt argue that Bruce Lee was overrated. Jesus Christ the guy was as close to a martial arts god as a human could possible get. Do I think he would trounce Norris? Yea, I do, with ease probably. Does that mean Chuck Norris is a wus, and by default every fighter from America sucks? God no. Just because someone cant take Bruce Lee doesnt mean they suck at martial arts.
I have no problem with Chuck Norris as a martial artist (although his tactic of *roundhouse kick roundhouse kick roundhouse kick* would get him annihilated in any of today's full contact competitions, but that's true of almost any combat sport). My issues with him stem from his horrible movies and TV shows, terrible products (that total gym or whatever is a piece of crap), and despicable personal ideology that he tries to force down everyone's throat.
Yet his martial arts were rooted in as traditional a lineage as there could be, short of learning from the ghost of Wong Fei Hung. But yes, his later attitudes and approach towards martial arts reflected a distinctly American attitude.
Omegus wrote:But you also have to admit that Void Dragon's argument is borderline braindead. "This guy who I think is a super awesome fighter thinks this other guy is a way superior fighter, but I think that other guy is an overrated chump."
Nowhere did I say Chuck Norris would beat Bruce Lee. I said the opposite. I never said Lee was a "chump," merely that he was overrated.
And he is, Norris has a pretty impressive fight-record, and sure, Lee is apparently an impressive fighter as well, to his credit he has won a few fights, but Lee is very often claimed to be the best martial artist ever. I admit Lee would beat Norris simply because Norris believes so as well, and even though Norris' record is impressive, I would not consider him one of the best fighters ever, nor Lee. Lee IS overrated, "martial arts god?" Fat load of good that did him when Gene Lebell beat him (IIRC he beat him twice or so during sparring matches). Lee was admittedly very good for his time, sure, but martial arts evolve, he would not be nearly as good now as he was then, and he was not infallible then either. Bruce Lee is the most influential martial artist, to be sure, as well as being one of the progenitors of MMA which I respect, but he is not the best.
Don't mistake this for me spanking Norris, I care so little about Norris it's not even funny, I was just responding to the claims that Norris was not a real martial artist. He is. And yes, he is also kind of a nutcase. I kind of laughed at the response to the evolution Chuck Norris "Fact." I can also claim to have never seen a Norris movie, nor watched Walker Texas Ranger in my entire life. I am proud of that fact.
Also, in response to your earlier response that I was too lazy to quote, and in the hopes of letting this stupid Norris argument die, yeah, Khorne doesn't honestly seem to be too much into martial skill or honor these days. Slaanesh's domain actual covers refinement of technique, Khorne is now exclusively pretty much the god of insane madmen who like to make people die with their chainaxes. Although from what I hear, the new 40k tabletop RP, Black Crusade, intends to rectify that, with Khorne going back to also being patron deity of martial champions who defy the odds in their search for an honorable challenge. Apparently, anyway.
I would love Khorne going back to just being a warrior god (from axe crazy to valiant and honourable).
It would also make much more sense as to why he despises Magic and Ballistics in WHFB and why he despises Psychic Powers in 40k (because, let's face it, it's pretty much just asking to get your ass whipped in 40k, to say that you refuse to use guns).
Omegus wrote:Exactly. A warrior who relishes the challenge of a good fight arguably belongs more to Slaanesh than Khorne. A good fight is just slowing down the blood-letting, as far as Khorne is concerned. As the saying goes, "Khorne cares not whence the blood flows, only that it flows."
Hell, you could probably slaughter chickens all day and keep that simpleton happy.
First thing that came to mind was:
'Hurr durr blood for the blood god, chickens for the chicken throne'
Kirasu wrote:No one is stronger than Draigo. He can walk through the planes of chaos, fight UNLIMITED amount of demons, never has to eat or breathe and even the great gods of chaos can't touch him
In addition the grey knights dont even bother finding ANOTHER chapter master.. like someone who is around for more than a few minutes every century because they know those few minutes are better than the full time attention of ANY other grey knight master
A minute of Alpha is better than centuries of Beta.
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iproxtaco wrote:And yet everything about Chuck Norris is made-up gak, likely derived from his appearances in various films ans TV shows, hence Bruce Lee owns Chuck Norris.
You are discussing the fictional power levels of fictional entities in a fictional universe. The fictional power levels of the Chuck Norris meme are greater than anyone else in said fictional universe.
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Omegus wrote:I have no problem with Chuck Norris as a martial artist (although his tactic of *roundhouse kick roundhouse kick roundhouse kick* would get him annihilated in any of today's full contact competitions, but that's true of almost any combat sport). My issues with him stem from his horrible movies and TV shows, terrible products (that total gym or whatever is a piece of crap), and despicable personal ideology that he tries to force down everyone's throat.
As opposed to your personal ideology which you've forced down the throat of everyone here.
Physician, heal yourself.
PS The Total Gym is a reasonable training tool if you don't have access to a gym. All resistance training is of benefit.
Void__Dragon wrote:Lee IS overrated, "martial arts god?" Fat load of good that did him when Gene Lebell beat him (IIRC he beat him twice or so during sparring matches).
That's because Gene Lebell is God's grandfather.
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Freman Bloodglaive wrote:As opposed to your personal ideology which you've forced down the throat of everyone here.
Are you high? Yes, I've totally have started a mass media campaign to get the teaching of evolution banned from schools so we can all rest safely in the knowledge that the earth is 6000 years old. Oh, and that homosexuals are in actuality an evil cabal that want to subvert the democratic process to turn all our children gay. Yes, that's totally what I've done here.
Void__Dragon wrote:First of all, let me just say Chuck Norris actually has a karate record, aka foitin' in tournaments and stuff. A very impressive one. 183–10–2, to be exact. So whoever said something about Norris not being a real martial artist or whatever, was wrong. He has much more credibility as an actual fighter than Bruce Lee, were it not for the fact that Norris seems to believe Lee was the superior fighter. Lee is overrated.
But I digress.
T.
So going on what you said about fighters being on different levels, firstly chuck norris is american, and yes if you actually practice any style of martial arts, traditional and asian/European styles pf fighting are first more well respected and have always thought be be more "bloodsport" as wel call it, take it from 8 year kyokushin'ist. Most of chuck Norris' tournements were in fact based in "america" like this one lol All-American Karate Championship (1967) which he did win. he even admits that bruce lee was a superier fighter then himself so i honestly dont see how you can dissagree with the person who you are subjecting.
and idk where you got his record from, i did know he was undefeated for a long time.
and also these gimic jokes have somewhat destroyed what respect he did have left.
tl;dr american martial arts are considered wimpish compared to traditional bloodsports and C.N is american martialartist.
I love how EVERY non American that runs out of valid argument material, instantly pulls that one. Our X is better because the American X is weak/wimpy/crappy/stupid. Next your going to start picking apart spelling and grammar errors
Are you fking serious? ran out of a valid argument? LOL? so this is what you think that amreican martial arts styles are more respected than traditional martial arts? where do you think they originated from?
Do you even practice martial arts? like seriously?
9 years, il edit with my belt later then please talk if you have actually faught in tournements kiddo.
I would say that "American martial arts" (by which I assume you mean mixed martial arts, which borrow from all sorts of disciplines such us jiujitsu, sambo, muay thai, etc. and thus the whole label is faulty to begin with) are more effective than the traditional martial arts, at least today.
The lineage of a lot of these traditional styles has severely degraded over the centuries, in no small part due to the less rigorous training. I guarantee you even the staunchest kung fu school isn't making new students stand in horse stance for a few months before teaching them anything else. Those guys were badass when they spent every waking moment training, and had to utilize that training in life or death situations on a practically daily basis. Not to say that there isn't great benefit to those styles (when I used to rigorously train in Hung Gar my general fitness level was way beyond what I get from the gym/P90x and my forearms were practically the size of my thighs... it was ridiculous), but they just aren't as practical in this day and age.
I'd put my money on someone who has studied "American" mixed martial arts for 2 years than someone who has studied tae kwon do or whatever bullcrap for 10. The era of the "Ten Tigers of Kwangtung" and such is long past. You would be hard-pressed to find 10 men of such caliber on the entire continent of Asia.
And anyway, everyone knows the real American martial art is shooting you in the face with the best pistols and rifles ever developed.
Omegus wrote:I would say that "American martial arts" (by which I assume you mean mixed martial arts, which borrow from all sorts of disciplines such us jiujitsu, sambo, muay thai, etc. and thus the whole label is faulty to begin with) are more effective than the traditional martial arts, at least today.
The lineage of a lot of these traditional styles has severely degraded over the centuries, in no small part due to the less rigorous training. I guarantee you even the staunchest kung fu school isn't making new students stand in horse stance for a few months before teaching them anything else. Those guys were badass when they spent every waking moment training, and had to utilize that training in life or death situations on a practically daily basis. Not to say that there isn't great benefit to those styles (when I used to rigorously train in Hung Gar my general fitness level was way beyond what I get from the gym/P90x and my forearms were practically the size of my thighs... it was ridiculous), but they just aren't as practical in this day and age.
I'd put my money on someone who has studied "American" mixed martial arts for 2 years than someone who has studied tae kwon do or whatever bullcrap for 10. The era of the "Ten Tigers of Kwangtung" and such is long past. You would be hard-pressed to find 10 men of such caliber on the entire continent of Asia.
And anyway, everyone knows the real American martial art is shooting you in the face with the best pistols and rifles ever developed.
LOL YOU DONT EVEN FIGHT. Such a dis-respectfuil joke of a paragraph,
Not sure if you cant tell, but that is black. in kyokushin, we dont use pads when we spar, no mouthgards, bloodsport, fight against american trained students and they haven't even trained how to take a hit let alone meditated and studied how to deliver one without breaking their fists
using your logic, a shaolin monk who has trained for 10 years wouldn't beat a american student training for 2. Good one Bro!
I believe the term is
8year fighter
nuff
said?
oh and btw, ak 74 Kalashnikov is better than any american gun, atleast it doesn't jam
edit: sorry i just read that your arms were as big as your thighs, not a good sensei, the ratio of your arm to legs should almost be 2-1, good luck getting any speed out of them.
It was hyperbole for the sake of levity... the qigong and tiger forms gave the most drastic increase in muscle mass. Everything else was already big to begin with.
Shaolin monks are kind of a joke these days, mostly there to entertain tourists. Yes, I believe someone who trained for 2 years for competition mixed martial arts with the same intensity that modern shaolin monks train for their little exhibition acrobatics, would own said shaolin monk. Unless, of course, you're comparing studying karate on some mountain in Japan vs. studying karate at the local strip mall (you know, the one between the Korean nail salon and a Chinese drycleaners), in which case I concede you the point.
And no one cares about your pretty little belt, that's what 10mm 200 grain hollowpoints are for. And isn't the black belt symbolic of someone who has just established enough of a baseline where you can instruct others, but are really only starting the learning process towards true mastery? You come across quite arrogant for someone who supposedly holds true traditional martial art values. Your sifu/sensei would be ashamed of you.
Omegus wrote:It was hyperbole for the sake of levity... the qigong and tiger forms gave the most drastic increase in muscle mass. Everything else was already big to begin with.
Shaolin monks are kind of a joke these days, mostly there to entertain tourists. Yes, I believe someone who trained for 2 years for competition mixed martial arts with the same intensity that modern shaolin monks train for their little exhibition acrobatics, would own said shaolin monk.
And no one cares about your pretty little belt, that's what 10mm 200 grain hollowpoints are for. And isn't the black belt symbolic of someone who has just established enough of a baseline where you can instruct others, but are really only starting the learning process towards true mastery? You come across quite arrogant for someone who supposedly holds true traditional martial art values. Your sifu/sensei would be ashamed of you.
so your last 2 statements have taken it off topic again and resorted to guns, congratulations.
Omegus wrote:Nice attempt to deflect the meat of the argument.
"pretty little belt" nice. I know that in america you can go grading like once every 3 months or something ridiculous, heck you can even ask for opportunities to grade, in true dojo's you never ask, you get asked.
implying that i don't teach anyway, interesting assumption.
sorry i stopped reading when you implied that you can go straight into competition training for 2 years with not training before hand.
And no one cares about your pretty little belt, that's what 10mm 200 grain hollowpoints are for. And isn't the black belt symbolic of someone who has just established enough of a baseline where you can instruct others, but are really only starting the learning process towards true mastery? You come across quite arrogant for someone who supposedly holds true traditional martial art values. Your sifu/sensei would be ashamed of you.
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...... Now now, if we are arguing america we gotta go with the .45 acp, or funner yet .45 lc, and while the ak74 is fairly reliable its not as accurate as the m16, and with that I would trust my ass to a magpul masada(aka bushmaster acr) more than an ak74. Personally I would rather learn how to fight using russian Systema or Isrealli Krav Maga, both of which have more of a use in modern conflict than most modern martial arts(both KM and systema are designed with modern warfare in mind) that said I think comparing martial arts tends to end up like it does comparing religion, just a bunch of ticked off people and no results.
Automatically Appended Next Post: And as far as most powerful person in 40k, I have to give it 'The Old Ones' I mean come on they are the only ones that managed to put the fear of god into necrons.
About above, martial arts used in warfare and martial arts used in world championships are two very different things. but i appreciate where you are coming from
Wardragoon wrote:And as far as most powerful person in 40k, I have to give it 'The Old Ones' I mean come on they are the only ones that managed to put the fear of god into necrons.
Wardragoon wrote:And as far as most powerful person in 40k, I have to give it 'The Old Ones' I mean come on they are the only ones that managed to put the fear of god into necrons.
Is that why the C'tan kicked their asses?
I thought they kicked the C'tans asses and then they were wiped out by some parasite like Stargates Goa'uld
Wardragoon wrote:And as far as most powerful person in 40k, I have to give it 'The Old Ones' I mean come on they are the only ones that managed to put the fear of god into necrons.
Is that why the C'tan kicked their asses?
I thought they kicked the C'tans asses and then they were wiped out by some parasite like Stargates Goa'uld
Wardragoon wrote:I thought they kicked the C'tans asses and then they were wiped out by some parasite like Stargates Goa'uld
You would be very wrong.
The C'tan conquered the galaxy, bringing the Old Ones to the brink of extinction, and rendering their "child" races cattle. The Webway that gave the Old Ones the advantage against the Necrontyr was countered by the utter supremacy of the C'tan in the Materium.
The Old Ones made one last offensive push after the C'tan had gotten done eating eachother, and then the Enslavers came out and destroyed the Old Ones.
Wardragoon wrote:I thought they kicked the C'tans asses and then they were wiped out by some parasite like Stargates Goa'uld
You would be very wrong.
The C'tan conquered the galaxy, bringing the Old Ones to the brink of extinction, and rendering their "child" races cattle. The Webway that gave the Old Ones the advantage against the Necrontyr was countered by the utter supremacy of the C'tan in the Materium.
The Old Ones made one last offensive push after the C'tan had gotten done eating eachother, and then the Enslavers came out and destroyed the Old Ones.
Thank you for educating me, it's been awhile since I last looked in the necron codex.
Though the Old Ones were pretty powerful, they were supposed to basically be Eldar+ I believe. Short of the actual gods, perhaps the strongest race to exist in 40k.
Omegus wrote:I would say that "American martial arts" (by which I assume you mean mixed martial arts, which borrow from all sorts of disciplines such us jiujitsu, sambo, muay thai, etc. and thus the whole label is faulty to begin with) are more effective than the traditional martial arts, at least today.
The lineage of a lot of these traditional styles has severely degraded over the centuries, in no small part due to the less rigorous training. I guarantee you even the staunchest kung fu school isn't making new students stand in horse stance for a few months before teaching them anything else. Those guys were badass when they spent every waking moment training, and had to utilize that training in life or death situations on a practically daily basis. Not to say that there isn't great benefit to those styles (when I used to rigorously train in Hung Gar my general fitness level was way beyond what I get from the gym/P90x and my forearms were practically the size of my thighs... it was ridiculous), but they just aren't as practical in this day and age.
I'd put my money on someone who has studied "American" mixed martial arts for 2 years than someone who has studied tae kwon do or whatever bullcrap for 10. The era of the "Ten Tigers of Kwangtung" and such is long past. You would be hard-pressed to find 10 men of such caliber on the entire continent of Asia.
And anyway, everyone knows the real American martial art is shooting you in the face with the best pistols and rifles ever developed.
LOL YOU DONT EVEN FIGHT. Such a dis-respectfuil joke of a paragraph,
Not sure if you cant tell, but that is black. in kyokushin, we dont use pads when we spar, no mouthgards, bloodsport, fight against american trained students and they haven't even trained how to take a hit let alone meditated and studied how to deliver one without breaking their fists
using your logic, a shaolin monk who has trained for 10 years wouldn't beat a american student training for 2. Good one Bro!
I believe the term is
8year fighter
nuff
said?
oh and btw, ak 74 Kalashnikov is better than any american gun, atleast it doesn't jam
edit: sorry i just read that your arms were as big as your thighs, not a good sensei, the ratio of your arm to legs should almost be 2-1, good luck getting any speed out of them.
I find this... amusing, clearly someone has never fought and only danced, or sparred as you like to call it. A real fight is one that your life is on the line, where there is no such thing as honor or playing dirty, and you know that one small feth up will result in you dead. I've had my share of these fights and have the scars as mementos.
And the AK-74 is a piece of gak, sure it doesn't jam if you treat as gak, but neither does a M4, M14, or M16 if you have the discipline to maintain and clean your weapon after a firefight your. The reason why it's so damn hard to jam an AK is because so many of the internal parts are loose resulting in being an extremely inaccurate weapon system whereas back when I was in the Army, I knew if I took care of my weapon, it would in turn take care of me, one shot, one kill. Whereas all you do is spray and pray with your pathetic piece of now made in china piece of gak. And btw, no one in my platoon ever had an issue with jamming, why? Because we're disciplined and take the time individually to maintain and clean our weapons, and we check up on our buddies.
And C'tan totally win when it comes to the most powerful, they have incredible power and considering they were birthed with the big bang, there's gotta be a whole gak ton of them out in the universe.
Omegus wrote:I would say that "American martial arts" (by which I assume you mean mixed martial arts, which borrow from all sorts of disciplines such us jiujitsu, sambo, muay thai, etc. and thus the whole label is faulty to begin with) are more effective than the traditional martial arts, at least today.
The lineage of a lot of these traditional styles has severely degraded over the centuries, in no small part due to the less rigorous training. I guarantee you even the staunchest kung fu school isn't making new students stand in horse stance for a few months before teaching them anything else. Those guys were badass when they spent every waking moment training, and had to utilize that training in life or death situations on a practically daily basis. Not to say that there isn't great benefit to those styles (when I used to rigorously train in Hung Gar my general fitness level was way beyond what I get from the gym/P90x and my forearms were practically the size of my thighs... it was ridiculous), but they just aren't as practical in this day and age.
I'd put my money on someone who has studied "American" mixed martial arts for 2 years than someone who has studied tae kwon do or whatever bullcrap for 10. The era of the "Ten Tigers of Kwangtung" and such is long past. You would be hard-pressed to find 10 men of such caliber on the entire continent of Asia.
And anyway, everyone knows the real American martial art is shooting you in the face with the best pistols and rifles ever developed.
LOL YOU DONT EVEN FIGHT. Such a dis-respectfuil joke of a paragraph,
Not sure if you cant tell, but that is black. in kyokushin, we dont use pads when we spar, no mouthgards, bloodsport, fight against american trained students and they haven't even trained how to take a hit let alone meditated and studied how to deliver one without breaking their fists
using your logic, a shaolin monk who has trained for 10 years wouldn't beat a american student training for 2. Good one Bro!
I believe the term is
8year fighter
nuff
said?
oh and btw, ak 74 Kalashnikov is better than any american gun, atleast it doesn't jam
edit: sorry i just read that your arms were as big as your thighs, not a good sensei, the ratio of your arm to legs should almost be 2-1, good luck getting any speed out of them.
I find this... amusing, clearly someone has never fought and only danced, or sparred as you like to call it. A real fight is one that your life is on the line, where there is no such thing as honor or playing dirty, and you know that one small feth up will result in you dead. I've had my share of these fights and have the scars as mementos.
And the AK-74 is a piece of gak, sure it doesn't jam if you treat as gak, but neither does a M4, M14, or M16 if you have the discipline to maintain and clean your weapon after a firefight your. The reason why it's so damn hard to jam an AK is because so many of the internal parts are loose resulting in being an extremely inaccurate weapon system whereas back when I was in the Army, I knew if I took care of my weapon, it would in turn take care of me, one shot, one kill. Whereas all you do is spray and pray with your pathetic piece of now made in china piece of gak. And btw, no one in my platoon ever had an issue with jamming, why? Because we're disciplined and take the time individually to maintain and clean our weapons, and we check up on our buddies.
And C'tan totally win when it comes to the most powerful, they have incredible power and considering they were birthed with the big bang, there's gotta be a whole gak ton of them out in the universe.
hooolyy cow... you obviously dont even understand the difference between a school yard fight or a street fight and a top level fight between two trained artists. you think i just go around slapping people? congrats, you are just simply abusing the fact that you can say that i have never done anything because this is the internet, that is just the same as me saying that no you haven't ever faught and you are lying, atleast i have shown my black belt.
and idk if you cant read English or understand it but the debate was between traditional Japanese arts and modern american arts, nothing about if someone has a gun or something.
he just laughs at stuff, and owns the biggest circus in the galaxy! Admit it, even chaos must be a little scared of clowns! ;L
