Who do you think is the most powerful entity in WH40K?

As it stands I'd say the Hive Mind... It seems like Tyranids are the only force in the galaxy that are making any kind of progress with their plans...

I'ld say Gork and Mork, if all of the Orks in the galaxy teamed up they would put the stomp on everyone. In the Ork codex it says that their Gods Gork and Mork are too powerful to ever be destroyed, and that they just laugh at any attempt and then krump em.

Tzeentch I'd say.

Ynnead.

He is destined to kill Slaanesh (Who killed Khaine...) So he's stronger than both of them by that logic.

His powers could well be limitless upon awaking. o_O

Matt Ward's Chosen One.

I voted for Ward, the whole Mortarion thing was funny, but pretty slowed and unlikely.

I'd say the hive mind. I think the Nids have already steamrolled several other galaxies. I think we're next.

The God Emperor, and to believe anything else is pure heresy and will be dealt with in the most extreme ways.

But isn't Chuck Norris and the Emperor of Man, the same guy?

Ratbarf wrote:I'ld say Gork and Mork, if all of the Orks in the galaxy teamed up they would put the stomp on everyone. In the Ork codex it says that their Gods Gork and Mork are too powerful to ever be destroyed, and that they just laugh at any attempt and then krump em.

Yes. Gork N Mork would stomp flat the others with only scratches to show for the effort

The Emperor is more powerful than the chaos gods. The chaos gods beat all the Eldar gods. This rules out all the chaos and eldar gods.

Ynnead could be more powerful than the chaos gods, and hence potentially on par with the Emprah.

The hive mind's true strength is not known. It could be the most powerful.

Orks vs Tyranids would be an awesome war to follow. Fungii v. Bugs.

Back in the day, I'd say the Emperor because the 4 Chaos gods teamed up to beat him. In perspective, it only took Slaanesh to eat the entire Eldar pantheon (except the laughing god and Issha I guess). Nowadays I'm not so sure since its kinda unclear how alive-ish / dead-ish big E is nowadays and what exactly he's doing on the GT to combat Chaos.

If not the Emperor then Gork and Mork definitely. IIRC if they put their minds to it they could krump Chaos easy, its just that like their worshippers they can't be bothered, too busy being orky.

Are we counting the entire tyranid race as the hive minds body?

Well, with Gork and Mork, they`re the only gods who are 100% for sure real is the only thing...and as to what the Emprah is doing to combat chaos-he is keeping the chaos gods from physically manifesting because of the hole in reality that Magnus tore open when he teleported through the Emprah`s webway gate.

I personnally think Khorne. If you fight him, you spill blood. Therefore combating him makes him stronger. Nuff said.

The Emperor, obviously. The fact that he is so powerful and still man makes him the greatest figure in Warhammer fluff.

And Matt Ward's favorite is always a good bet.

Since every single faction has to be able to feasably stand up to every other faction, I chose Chuck Norris. The only reason he isn't in the game is because we would go blind from the awesomeness.

who ever matt ward wants it to be. have you read the crap he puts out?

It's been written in fluff that Slaanesh will one day encompass all the other chaos gods-he/she/it is just coming into the power it will one day have-eventually it'll destroy the other three. However, due to my fear of fists hidden in chins, I had to vote for the Norris. Let's face facts-the Emperor isn't powerful-he's a husk of his former glory sitting on a shiny toilet. Screw that guy.

Gork and Mork probably rival the Emperor, and that makes them a triumvirate of death.

isn't the Emperor going to turn into the star child and like kill all the Chaos Gods (minus Slaanesh cause thats Eldar Territory). Gork and Mork aught to be one selection IMO cause they cant really be told apart.

D6

Chuck Norris.

A DeLorean can travel throu time using 1.21 Gigawatts of electricity, or .25 of a Chuck Norris roundhouse kick......

*sigh* had to pick the Emperor of Man, as they did not have the true machine god as an option.... and the Emperor is only an avatar of him. (the Void Dragon was defeated and imprisoned by the emperor and used to his advantage, so is not the true machine god.)

Face it, it took all 4 chaos gods to work together and corrupt half the SM legions and they still could not fully defeat the Emperor.

And Slaanesh alone took out the Eldar gods so they are out. (Ynnead is only going after one of the Chaos gods so would not be likely to be as tough to take all 4 at once like the Emperor.)

Malal cannot even take the big 4 chaos gods, so he is out of the running. (for now at least)

Mork and Gork do not work together enough to be a danger unless they united all orks at once to gather their power as one strike against the Emperor... but using that logic the Imperium could gather all their might behind the Emperor, and that is a heck of alot more likely.

Alessio Cortez is right out of the running.

Matt Ward is not even in 40k itself so :p

The Tyranid Hive Mind is iffy... not sure how powerful it truely is, it makes a shadow in the warp... is the shadow stronger than the beacon in the warp... tough call.

And chuck norris.... he got beaten up by bruce lee.. he has no chance.

sekerra wrote:

And chuck norris.... he got beaten up by bruce lee.. he has no chance.

They never actually fought so it's a toughy to say who would actually win. (If we go by fights in films, it's 1-1)

I say nurgle he is a big fat blob

The four Chaos gods, but particularly Tzeentch. Beings which are fed by every galaxy in all of the countless dimensions the warp touches, but are fortunately thus above actually noticing or caring about what occurs in any one of the infinite locales they touch.

Sir Pseudonymous wrote:The four Chaos gods, but particularly Tzeentch. Beings which are fed by every galaxy in all of the countless dimensions the warp touches, but are fortunately thus above actually noticing or caring about what occurs in any one of the infinite locales they touch.

...Well Khorne is the most powerful Chaos God.

ph34r wrote:The Emperor is more powerful than the chaos gods. The chaos gods beat all the Eldar gods. This rules out all the chaos and eldar gods.

Ynnead could be more powerful than the chaos gods, and hence potentially on par with the Emprah.

The hive mind's true strength is not known. It could be the most powerful.

Emperor got punked by a super beefy Chaos Champion who before punking the Emperor punked a Primarch for a warm-up.

Horus then told the Emprah to "Sit Down" and he has ever since.

Chaos > The Emperor

The hive mind.

Our galaxy is just another pit stop on their journey.

Its like fighting zombies...the more they kill, the stronger they get.

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

ph34r wrote:The Emperor is more powerful than the chaos gods. The chaos gods beat all the Eldar gods. This rules out all the chaos and eldar gods.

Ynnead could be more powerful than the chaos gods, and hence potentially on par with the Emprah.

The hive mind's true strength is not known. It could be the most powerful.

Emperor got punked by a super beefy Chaos Champion who before punking the Emperor punked a Primarch for a warm-up.

Horus then told the Emprah to "Sit Down" and he has ever since.

Chaos > The Emperor

Well one of the accounts of Horus vs. The Emprah had the Emprah standing there, while Horus was hitting Him, asking him to repent, and when he wouldn't, decided to erase him.

Also, the Emprah forced 100,000 astartes to kneel against their will, and banished Doombreed (who destroyed two chapters single-handedly) with a snap of his fingers. Also, the Chaos Gods refer to him as "the anathema". Also, even after he died, he manages to single-handedly prevent the chaos gods from physically manifesting in the materium.

Also, he's shiny

And Gork and Mork both are so strong that they can never be defeated. They shrug off the attacks of other gods with a laugh

Orks FTW

They are so powerful that they can simply ignore any other being in the universe

Which is pretty much what they do, more's the pity

duh this is a trick question everybody know that cortez is chuk norris in power armour

The Emperor of ten thousand years ago wasn't nearly as powerful as the Emperor of today.

The current Emperor has a cult of trillions funneling him power. This is the Emperor that the Chaos gods were actually afraid of.

The single most powerful entity in WH40K wasn't included in your list... So I voted for the Hive Mind, since it's effortlessly diminishing the emperor's power. But I don't think the Tyranids will take the galaxy in the end, mind you. The Hive Mind seems to have no idea what to do about the Necrons... In fact it seems a little scared of them.

The correct answer for the most powerful entity is: Cegorach, aka The Laughing God. I bet he could wipe out the galaxy and the contents of the warp if it wasn't all just a big cosmic joke to him.

Subquestion for the ork fans, who would win in a fight between Mork or Gork?

elchristoff wrote:Subquestion for the ork fans, who would win in a fight between Mork or Gork?

I'm seeing a draw

Subquestion for the ork fans, who would win in a fight between Mork or Gork?

Well in a straight up fight, Gork is brutal but kunnin, and Mork is kunnin but brutal, so I would think Gork would win a krump fest, but Mork would just 'it im when 'e wasn't lookin hurr hurr hurr.

Bruce Lee > Chuck Norris

On topic, probably emperor.

Khorne, he is the most powerful of the Chaos gods which rule the warp.

Chuck Norris no contest. If he decides to never show up in 40k, Ynead (or however the name is spelt).

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

ph34r wrote:The Emperor is more powerful than the chaos gods. The chaos gods beat all the Eldar gods. This rules out all the chaos and eldar gods.

Ynnead could be more powerful than the chaos gods, and hence potentially on par with the Emprah.

The hive mind's true strength is not known. It could be the most powerful.

Emperor got punked by a super beefy Chaos Champion who before punking the Emperor punked a Primarch for a warm-up.

Horus then told the Emprah to "Sit Down" and he has ever since.

Chaos > The Emperor

BeefCakeSoup wrote:

ph34r wrote:The Emperor is more powerful than the chaos gods. The chaos gods beat all the Eldar gods. This rules out all the chaos and eldar gods.

Ynnead could be more powerful than the chaos gods, and hence potentially on par with the Emprah.

The hive mind's true strength is not known. It could be the most powerful.

Emperor got punked by a super beefy Chaos Champion who before punking the Emperor punked a Primarch for a warm-up.

Horus then told the Emprah to "Sit Down" and he has ever since.

Chaos > The Emperor

The Emperor proceeded to tell Horus to gtfo of his Universe, and he did, almost taking the four Chaos gods with him.

Imperator Hominem>Chaos

The Emperor told Gork and Mork the same and they told him to get back to being a lighthouse

Ork Deities > Jumped up Hoomies with shiny chairs

KingDeath wrote:Khorne, he is the most powerful of the Chaos gods which rule the warp.

Tzeentch is actually... he was the most poweful and then the other 3 ganged up on him and nicked his staff. He is still pretty potent and at least the equal of Khorne.

antslol wrote:I say nurgle he is a big fat blob

This I both like and agree with.


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Also, The Laughing God should be put on the list. He is just generally cool.

Obviously it's Tzeentch, no one knows his grand plan.

Tzeentch could have just one day thought "what would happen if I combined a lot of sharman together?", bam Emprah. Or perhaps the Emperor was Tzeentch.

Really though because it is written from the perspective of the IoM every source will say that the Emperor is the strongest being to have ever and will ever exist.

The Emperor of Mankind!!!

Simply - he is barely alive, and he still kick Chaos ass

Not to mention abilities to call warp storms, and that the galaxy is most influenced now in the time of the Imperium than ever before.

n0t_u wrote:Obviously it's Tzeentch, no one knows his grand plan.

Actually, everyone knows his plan. It's that there is no plan.

He's powered by the chaos of change. If he had some grand plan and achieved it, he'd be committing suicide.

Matt Ward is the alpha and the omega.

oni wrote:Matt Ward is the alpha and the omega.

If by Alpha and Omega you mean the beginning of 1000s of fluff discrepancies and the end of 40k as a balanced game; then yes.

OT

The Emperor. In his current state he has become exactly what the Chaos Gods had feared he would become, a permanent seal on the warp keeping them from their ultimate goals and out of this Universe.

Brother Coa wrote:The Emperor of Mankind!!!

Simply - he is barely alive, and he still kick Chaos ass

Not to mention abilities to call warp storms, and that the galaxy is most influenced now in the time of the Imperium than ever before.

Meh, that's what the imperial church wants you to believe. In truth the impotence of his weakling Imperium, and the continuous bloodshed and despair within it, empowers the Dark Gods who even
now gnaw on the souls of those fools who relied on the carrion god's protection

mork and gork simply because there are more orc than anythign else in the galaxy. forget the soarce but it said the imperium sent out probes into space that have gone outside the known and charted galaxy and the only thing that remains sure though it all is there are always orks

in the grand scheme of all of 40k for all we know the real opponents to orks are elsewhere and the imperium and other 40k forces are just an interesting side venture for the thier amusment that they could stomp out at any given time

now i will note i can't remember where i read the fluff about the probes but i remember something about they send back data every decade century or millenium somethign like that.

*edit for spelling*

I notice on the poll that the overlord of the insectoid space dinasours is missing..

DarknessEternal wrote:The Emperor of ten thousand years ago wasn't nearly as powerful as the Emperor of today.

The current Emperor has a cult of trillions funneling him power. This is the Emperor that the Chaos gods were actually afraid of.

Actually he was more powerful before thousands of times over than he is now.

Of those trillions, only the psykers are able to actually help him, and only when sacrificed.

And his enormous use of psychic energy aboard the Vengeful Spirit drained him significantly, and his holding 4 (5? Malal) gods out of the universe and keeping a huge rift closed hasn't exactly given him time to regenerate...

Plus, before, instead of using his psychic energy to keep himself intact, he was generating it.

Anyways, he can clearly out krump Gork+Mork.

And the Chaos Gods alone couldn't kill mork and gork because unlike the Orky gods who's followers make them more powerful, the Chaos Gods use a fraction of their own power to create their followers: their legions, millions, billions, trillions of daemon, daemon princes, greater daemons, their sorceries, the mutations they give their followers etc. etc. all use up power. The chaos gods could re-absorb everything and krump the krump out of the orks.


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G00fySmiley wrote:mork and gork simply because there are more orc than anythign else in the galaxy. forget the soarce but it said the imperium sent out probes into space that have gone outside the known and charted galaxy and the only thing that remains sure though it all is there are always orks

in the grand scheme of all of 40k for all we know the real opponents to orks are elsewhere and the imperium and other 40k forces are just an interesting side venture for the thier amusment that they could stomp out at any given time

now i will note i can't remember where i read the fluff about the probes but i remember something about they send back data every decade century or millenium somethign like that.

*edit for spelling*

Of all the wh40k factions, only the tyranids are extra-galactic. You misread. I think I remember what you are talking about, but am certain that it was WITHIN the galaxy.

Also (presumably) daemons exist elsewhere...

Plus, both tyranids and daemons out-number orks, and they only pass the IoM population but a fairly small margin (relatively speaking). There are even sources that say the IoM has the greatest population, and while this is obviously retconned, for it to have been there in the first place speaks volumes for how close the populations are.

n0t_u wrote:Obviously it's Tzeentch, no one knows his grand plan.

Tzeentch could have just one day thought "what would happen if I combined a lot of sharman together?", bam Emprah. Or perhaps the Emperor was Tzeentch.

You missed the part where Khorne was the first Chaos God to rise, during our Middle Ages. The Emperor is thus older than the Ruinous Powers.

Mork because he knows that a proper checker board pattern is black squares on a white board. NOT the other way around.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Obviously it's Tzeentch, no one knows his grand plan.

Tzeentch could have just one day thought "what would happen if I combined a lot of sharman together?", bam Emprah. Or perhaps the Emperor was Tzeentch.

You missed the part where Khorne was the first Chaos God to rise, during our Middle Ages. The Emperor is thus older than the Ruinous Powers.

I was going to say something about that too.

And actually Nurgle is the oldest. No one even knows when he was created.

Rogerio134 wrote:
Emperor got punked by a super beefy Chaos Champion who before punking the Emperor punked a Primarch for a warm-up.

Horus then told the Emprah to "Sit Down" and he has ever since.

Chaos > The Emperor

Emperor killed all of their champion, but he didn't want to kill his son.

When he fought with him, essence and power of all 4 Chaos gods where in Horus. Even near the end of his life, he destoy his son, his souls and shattered the Chaos gods ( all 4 of them ).

Even now he is f****** with them by denying them most of Human souls that goes to warp ( except heretics ). And he is doing that with 20% of his power ( 80% is stuck in him and poweringthe Astronomicon ).

So Emperor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaos Gods



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KingDeath wrote:
Meh, that's what the imperial church wants you to believe. In truth the impotence of his weakling Imperium, and the continuous bloodshed and despair within it, empowers the Dark Gods who even
now gnaw on the souls of those fools who relied on the carrion god's protection

Is this a doubth that I sense? Contacting the Holy Inquisition...

im2randomghgh wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Obviously it's Tzeentch, no one knows his grand plan.

Tzeentch could have just one day thought "what would happen if I combined a lot of sharman together?", bam Emprah. Or perhaps the Emperor was Tzeentch.

You missed the part where Khorne was the first Chaos God to rise, during our Middle Ages. The Emperor is thus older than the Ruinous Powers.

I was going to say something about that too.

And actually Nurgle is the oldest. No one even knows when he was created.

Lexicanum states that Khorne is the oldest, 40k wikia that Nurgle is. Neither one gives any sources, although both agree that Khorne was born during the Medieval Ages while Nurgle's date of birth is unknown. My conclusion thus is that Khorne, having a "confirmed" time of birth, has more backing him than Nurgle as oldest Chaos God. Of course, since neither fansite provides any reference to sources, they might as well have been born in M68 and travelled back in time for all we know.

im2randomghgh wrote:

DarknessEternal wrote:The Emperor of ten thousand years ago wasn't nearly as powerful as the Emperor of today.

The current Emperor has a cult of trillions funneling him power. This is the Emperor that the Chaos gods were actually afraid of.

Actually he was more powerful before thousands of times over than he is now.

Of those trillions, only the psykers are able to actually help him, and only when sacrificed.

You should research how faith and worship works in the 40k universe.

Brother Coa wrote:

Rogerio134 wrote:
Emperor got punked by a super beefy Chaos Champion who before punking the Emperor punked a Primarch for a warm-up.

Horus then told the Emprah to "Sit Down" and he has ever since.

Chaos > The Emperor

Emperor killed all of their champion, but he didn't want to kill his son.

When he fought with him, essence and power of all 4 Chaos gods where in Horus. Even near the end of his life, he destoy his son, his souls and shattered the Chaos gods ( all 4 of them ).

Even now he is f****** with them by denying them most of Human souls that goes to warp ( except heretics ). And he is doing that with 20% of his power ( 80% is stuck in him and poweringthe Astronomicon ).

So Emperor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaos Gods

There is no source which clearly states what happens to human souls after their dead. The imperials believe that the Emperor saves them, but it is equaly possible that they simply desolve in the warp / are consumed by the Chaos gods and their servants. The Emperor does not power the Astronomican, the sacrificed psykers do. The corpsegod merely uses whatever is left of his once considerable might to direct that power.
Unlike the Chaos gods the Emperor of Man is rather short on actual miracles. A living saint from time to time and perhaps some premonitions, that's it. No rifts in the warp cause he was bored, no ( with the exception of the mentioned saints ) Champions which carry a part of his might, no daemons. Keeping a rent to the webway in check can't be that difficult, because Eldar Craftworlds seem to do it all the time ( it is stated in the Eldar codex that many parts of the webway had to be sealed and a "mere" Farseer is able to seal a webwaygate in one of the GG novels)

KingDeath wrote:
There is no source which clearly states what happens to human souls after their dead. The imperials believe that the Emperor saves them, but it is equaly possible that they simply desolve in the warp / are consumed by the Chaos gods and their servants. The Emperor does not power the Astronomican, the sacrificed psykers do. The corpsegod merely uses whatever is left of his once considerable might to direct that power.
Unlike the Chaos gods the Emperor of Man is rather short on actual miracles. A living saint from time to time and perhaps some premonitions, that's it. No rifts in the warp cause he was bored, no ( with the exception of the mentioned saints ) Champions which carry a part of his might, no daemons. Keeping a rent to the webway in check can't be that difficult, because Eldar Craftworlds seem to do it all the time ( it is stated in the Eldar codex that many parts of the webway had to be sealed and a "mere" Farseer is able to seal a webwaygate in one of the GG novels)

Just like there is no source that states what happened to the souls of heretics after they died. But official fluff is that those souls goes to the lord they served in the warp, heretics goes toward Chaos gods, Imperials to the Emperor. And we have already see in official fluff that Emperor is a god waiting to be born. They sacrifice psykers to give it a little juice but it is the Emperor that is giving some of his power to it ( why is then said when the Emperor dies that Astronomican will fail? ). He is also keeping the Human Webway closed and he is helping his followers of the field of battle ( acts of faith ).

Short of miracles? Try the storm of Emperor's wrath. The man who in almost death state have the ability to create warp storm is nothing short than a miracle men.
One one more miracle? Try to unite Human race in current state, this days is even easier than when the Emperor was uniting in 31'st millennium.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

n0t_u wrote:Obviously it's Tzeentch, no one knows his grand plan.

Tzeentch could have just one day thought "what would happen if I combined a lot of sharman together?", bam Emprah. Or perhaps the Emperor was Tzeentch.

You missed the part where Khorne was the first Chaos God to rise, during our Middle Ages. The Emperor is thus older than the Ruinous Powers.

I was going to say something about that too.

And actually Nurgle is the oldest. No one even knows when he was created.

Lexicanum states that Khorne is the oldest, 40k wikia that Nurgle is. Neither one gives any sources, although both agree that Khorne was born during the Medieval Ages while Nurgle's date of birth is unknown. My conclusion thus is that Khorne, having a "confirmed" time of birth, has more backing him than Nurgle as oldest Chaos God. Of course, since neither fansite provides any reference to sources, they might as well have been born in M68 and travelled back in time for all we know.

Chaos Codex (4th edition) Pg 32 under Doombreed's subsection it states "Khorne was the first of the Great Gods of Chaos to awake fully, and Doombreed was one of the first of his servants"

So, even if Khorne is younger than Nurgle, he was the first to fully awaken.

Melissia wrote:Gork and Mork probably rival the Emperor, and that makes them a triumvirate of death.

The "Emperor" requires the blood of a 1000 psykers a day in order to survive. Gork and Mork only require battle. In the warhammer40k universe, there is ALWAYS battle.

Gork and Mork. Yin and Yang. Shake and bake.

Whats with the higher votes for Gork rather than Mork?

You can't kill change........

schan122 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Gork and Mork probably rival the Emperor, and that makes them a triumvirate of death.

The "Emperor" requires the blood of a 1000 psykers a day in order to survive. Gork and Mork only require battle. In the warhammer40k universe, there is ALWAYS battle.

Gork and Mork. Yin and Yang. Shake and bake.

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They require ORKS to battle. When the IoM battles Tau, G&M don't get stronger (though Khorne does)


And a LOT more than 1000 orks die every day.

Clearly it's Nurgle...sooner or later everything rots and falls away.

FITZZ wrote: Clearly it's Nurgle...sooner or later everything rots and falls away.

No.

Things that get vaporised don't.

Plus, khorne is stronger.

Ynnead.

Mainly because we have no idea how powerful he will be. All we know is that he's going to go toe-to-toe with a Chaos God, and probably win.

Mork and Gork hands down. The other 'Gods' can't even touch them.

CRASSUS ARMOURED ASSAULT TRANSPORT is clearly the most powerful!

Cerebrium wrote:Ynnead.

Mainly because we have no idea how powerful he will be. All we know is that he's going to go toe-to-toe with a Chaos God, and probably win.

Same goes for star child.

Plus, the Emperor is already more powerful than all four of them.

im2randomghgh wrote:

schan122 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Gork and Mork probably rival the Emperor, and that makes them a triumvirate of death.

The "Emperor" requires the blood of a 1000 psykers a day in order to survive. Gork and Mork only require battle. In the warhammer40k universe, there is ALWAYS battle.

Gork and Mork. Yin and Yang. Shake and bake.

\

They require ORKS to battle. When the IoM battles Tau, G&M don't get stronger (though Khorne does)


And a LOT more than 1000 orks die every day.

You just proved why Gork and Mork truly ARE the most powerful. The number of Orks is uncountable. And they ALL fight at the very least each other every single day. So Gork and Mork are powered by an uncountable force fighting every single day everyday for always. So yes. Its Gork and Mork.

they should be 1 entry on the list by the way.

When the Emperor dies and gets reborn again than he will be the MOST powerfull being ever.

Also take into consideration that the Emperor has more ork kills than anyone in history. Who would you fear more? The guys who never come out on top or the guy (even while in stasis) has minions killing more and more for him daily.

The orks have no sense of fear.

The only people that think the Emperor coming back would be THE MOST POWERFUl BEING EVER are IOM fanboys and the IOM's PR department.

If you can source me fluff that says specifically that a reborn emperor would unarguably be the most powerful being in the universe, bar none i'll retract that statement

Something to think about-

The big E has personally more ork kills than anyone in history? Source?

If you mean the IOM then you're still wrong. The ORKS have the most ork kills in history Also every time you kill an ork it spores, making more orks (unless you get creative, which is really NOT the IOM's speciality..)

Ascalam wrote:The orks have no sense of fear.

The only people that think the Emperor coming back would be THE MOST POWERFUl BEING EVER are IOM fanboys and the IOM's PR department.

If you can source me fluff that says specifically that a reborn emperor would unarguably be the most powerful being in the universe, bar none i'll retract that statement

Something to think about-

The big E has personally more ork kills than anyone in history? Source?

If you mean the IOM then you're still wrong. The ORKS have the most ork kills in history Also every time you kill an ork it spores, making more orks (unless you get creative, which is really NOT the IOM's speciality..)

Consider this: when the Emperor finally decided to obliterate Horus he blasted him with psychic power of such an intensity that all four Chaos gods withdrew from Horus out of fear for their lives. A reborn Emperor would have that power in addition to the combined power of all the psykers He has consumed since the Heresy. Oh, but I forgot, the notion that such power would be the most powerful recorded power fluff-wise is *CLEARLY* only the mad ravings of fanboys... /sarcasm

I disagree. The Old "The Emperor and Horus" story from William King simply states that the Chaosgods retreated from the dying Horus's body ( Driven by all the force of his rage and pain and hatred the Emperor wills Horus's death. He senses the forces of Chaos retreat, disengaging themselves from their pawn ).
If a reborn Emperor of Man would even have the power that the Horus Heresy Emperor had is uncertain. Sure, the raw potential would be there ( if we assume that the warp entity is still around and uncorrupted ), but it takes even the most gifted psyker many years to actually master his abilities. Learning anew what took 50000 years to master might take some time.

Regarding the comparision with the warpgods, i have to disagree here too. The Emperor of Men consumes psykers to keep him alive and to power the Astronomicon. If those psykersouls add to his power in the warp is uncertain and ultimately unknown. Even if they do, every single moment of bloodshed, every second of despair, every single deluded hope and every passion of all the souls in the warp will fuel the Dark Gods ( who are still more or less confined to the warp, and occupied with their meaningless internal struggles ). I doubt that anything can even remotely compare to them.

Personally I think It's a battle between the Emperor and Gork and Mork (If they were one choice) Because Gork and Mork may shrug off all attacks from the chaos gods, but the Emperor was more powerful than the chaos gods when he was alive and is stronger now. I had to vote the Emperor though.

Tzeentch can see the future very clearly, though not through himself.

Sethoroth Massivemune wrote:Tzeentch can see the future very clearly, though not through himself.

Having nine times nine Lords of Change interpreting Fateweaver's 'mad ramblings' doesn't sound all that clear to me.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

Ascalam wrote:The orks have no sense of fear.

The only people that think the Emperor coming back would be THE MOST POWERFUl BEING EVER are IOM fanboys and the IOM's PR department.

If you can source me fluff that says specifically that a reborn emperor would unarguably be the most powerful being in the universe, bar none i'll retract that statement

Something to think about-

The big E has personally more ork kills than anyone in history? Source?

If you mean the IOM then you're still wrong. The ORKS have the most ork kills in history Also every time you kill an ork it spores, making more orks (unless you get creative, which is really NOT the IOM's speciality..)

Consider this: when the Emperor finally decided to obliterate Horus he blasted him with psychic power of such an intensity that all four Chaos gods withdrew from Horus out of fear for their lives. A reborn Emperor would have that power in addition to the combined power of all the psykers He has consumed since the Heresy. Oh, but I forgot, the notion that such power would be the most powerful recorded power fluff-wise is *CLEARLY* only the mad ravings of fanboys... /sarcasm

I considered it

So the most powerful MORTAL psyker the humans had nuked the vessel the Chaos gods were riding along, destroying him. The Chaos gods realized that Horus was doomed, and withdrew (because he would be no further use).

The consumed psykers were just that-consumed. Do you still have the energy provided by last month's bacon sandwich? His power is fading, despite eating zillions of psykers a year. This has been explicitly stated.


Gork and Mork are also mentiond to completely ignore a 'baleful warning' from the emperor in the fluff, and to be pretty much immune to actual gods, let along theoretically ascended mortals. There is nothing in any fluff i have that says the Emperor actually is a god (but he is called one by the IOM ).
So yes, fanboy.

What's all this Emperor nonsense? The reason he's stuck on eternal life support right now is because he got into a fight with a mere servant of Chaos... And he's lucky he even survived, let alone won the fight! No way would he stand a chance against even one Chaos god.

*Cue the 'but he's pimpslapping them in the warp' argument....*

ok guys but sorry you cant call the god emperor of man the most powerful

at this point in time some toddler could beat him by simply pulling the power plug on his golden throne out of the wall, instant catistrophic failure

SLAAAAAANEEEEESSSHHHHHH

'm gonna go ahead and say Nightbringer/ whichever C'Tan is last alive. They certainly have the power, and when they destroy the warp, all psychers no longer matter. The emperor is just another morsel on the smorgasbord.

Well, for some strange reason, I do not see Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka
Just joking, but I'd have to say either Gork or the Hive Mind.

I voted for Tzeentch because.....well...he just is alright? My uncle told me so and he should know coz he's from Birmingham.........so there.

Tyranic Marta wrote:at this point in time some toddler could beat him by simply pulling the power plug on his golden throne out of the wall, instant catistrophic failure

Considering he can stop time? Doubtful.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:at this point in time some toddler could beat him by simply pulling the power plug on his golden throne out of the wall, instant catistrophic failure

Considering he can stop time? Doubtful.

When adding in the background of the Storm of the Emperor's Fury, downright untrue. Not to mention that there's always the Custodes.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:at this point in time some toddler could beat him by simply pulling the power plug on his golden throne out of the wall, instant catistrophic failure

Considering he can stop time? Doubtful.

When adding in the background of the Storm of the Emperor's Fury, downright untrue. Not to mention that there's always the Custodes.

There is no background regarding the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath which points to the Emprah, his followers just think he was responsible, without any proof. It's appearance could be coincidial, or caused by the warpgods ( which are actually known for causing warpstorms and the like ).

Has to be Khorne in my book... all deaths in the galaxy that result from warfare further bolster his power... And as we know in the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war; nuff said.

KingDeath wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:at this point in time some toddler could beat him by simply pulling the power plug on his golden throne out of the wall, instant catistrophic failure

Considering he can stop time? Doubtful.

When adding in the background of the Storm of the Emperor's Fury, downright untrue. Not to mention that there's always the Custodes.

There is no background regarding the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath which points to the Emprah, his followers just think he was responsible, without any proof. It's appearance could be coincidial, or caused by the warpgods ( which are actually known for causing warpstorms and the like ).

And the Chaos Gods would help the being they refer to as the anathema because...?

I again found myself tricked into thinking about this question and I again came to the conclusion of: Mat Ward.

It's not the Emperor anymore, and there just isn't enough information on most of the others to make for some reasonable speculation.

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

KingDeath wrote:

AlmightyWalrus wrote:

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:at this point in time some toddler could beat him by simply pulling the power plug on his golden throne out of the wall, instant catistrophic failure

Considering he can stop time? Doubtful.

When adding in the background of the Storm of the Emperor's Fury, downright untrue. Not to mention that there's always the Custodes.

There is no background regarding the Storm of the Emperor's Wrath which points to the Emprah, his followers just think he was responsible, without any proof. It's appearance could be coincidial, or caused by the warpgods ( which are actually known for causing warpstorms and the like ).

And the Chaos Gods would help the being they refer to as the anathema because...?

Why not? Are you a Chaos God that you know the plans of inhuman and pretty much mad creatures?
Perhaps Tzeentch or someone else didn't like the sound of Vandire's name? Perhaps Slaanesh thought that he should wear pink? The gods are mad and indesciperable in their games ( as nicely described in the Liber Chaotica ).

Besides this, for all we know the Chaos gods like the galaxy as it is now. Plenty of raw emotions to feed them, plenty of hatred, despair and false hopes. The Emperor of Man was refered as anathema when he was still able to actively shape the galaxy's fate, now he no longer is. His teachings are distorted and bend to feed a corrupt church, logic and science have pretty much become things of the past and religious zealotry and insane fanatism are commonplace.

I can't believe people voted for Chuck.

That guy's an ultra-conservative psycho that sued the publishers of all those Chuck Norris jokes for misrepresenting him.

And he was always Bruce Lee's bitch, anyway.

If ANYTHING happens whatsoever it constitutes a CHANGE of circumstance which is Tzeentch's domain. CASE CLOSED

Omegus wrote:I can't believe people voted for Chuck.

That guy's an ultra-conservative psycho that sued the publishers of all those Chuck Norris jokes for misrepresenting him.

And he was always Bruce Lee's bitch, anyway.

QFT the man is a dick

Malal, every time another chaos god's power grows, so does his own.

Omegus wrote: That guy's an ultra-conservative psycho that sued the publishers of all those Chuck Norris jokes for misrepresenting him.

Which is odd considering that this is a link to a video of Chuck Norris reading Chuck Norris jokes: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TA_hMq-JUOE

Well, it was mostly an issue of him wanting to make money off the jokes, although the suit did also claim that he was afraid people may think the facts are true (and thus assume he's some monster that won't give us his cancer-curing tears no matter how much we beg). And in any case, he's still a crazy person.

Example CN joke: "There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live."

Chuck's reaction: "It's funny. It's cute. But here's what I really think about the theory of evolution: it's not real. It is not the way we got here. In fact, the life you see on this planet is really just a list of creatures God has allowed to live. We are not creations of random chance. We are not accidents. There is a God, a Creator, who made you and me. We were made in His image, which separates us from all other creatures. By the way, without Him, I don't have any power. But with Him, the Bible tells me, I really can do all things — and so can you."

I don't really care what higher power he believes in, but anyone who dismisses evolution in this day and age and wants creationism taught exclusively in schools is a lunatic in my opinion.

its the laughing god blatantly

Omegus wrote:
I don't really care what higher power he believes in, but anyone who dismisses evolution in this day and age and wants creationism taught exclusively in schools is a lunatic in my opinion.

Notice how he doesn't actually say evolution doesn't occur, but that it's not random (i.e. it's decided by God). Out of curiosity, what actual concrete proof do they have that Humans are descended from microbes do they have anyway? Last I heard, there were a load of missing links.


However, in my opinion it is actually most likely the Emperor. The Chaos Gods seem to fear him, the Hive Mind apparently doesn't actually exist (or at least, not as its own entity), the Eldar Gods never seemed that powerful to me (considering their numbers and the fact that they presumably couldn't defeat the three older Chaos Gods), the Void Dragon was apparently defeated by the Emperor (even if it was weakened, considering the Necrons have two C'tan awake and still haven't rocked the Imperium that much I'd assume that the Emperor's actually more powerful). Only Gork and Mork seem to possibly be more powerful, but as they say, knowledge is power and that is something I don't see those two haven't lot of. If you can't actually bring yourself to use your power, are you really that powerful?

Omegus wrote:Well, it was mostly an issue of him wanting to make money off the jokes, although the suit did also claim that he was afraid people may think the facts are true (and thus assume he's some monster that won't give us his cancer-curing tears no matter how much we beg). And in any case, he's still a crazy person.

Example CN joke: "There is no theory of evolution, just a list of creatures Chuck Norris has allowed to live."

Chuck's reaction: "It's funny. It's cute. But here's what I really think about the theory of evolution: it's not real. It is not the way we got here. In fact, the life you see on this planet is really just a list of creatures God has allowed to live. We are not creations of random chance. We are not accidents. There is a God, a Creator, who made you and me. We were made in His image, which separates us from all other creatures. By the way, without Him, I don't have any power. But with Him, the Bible tells me, I really can do all things — and so can you."

I don't really care what higher power he believes in, but anyone who dismisses evolution in this day and age and wants creationism taught exclusively in schools is a lunatic in my opinion.

Im pretty sure he sais ITS NOT REAL

Brother Coa wrote:

Rogerio134 wrote:
Emperor got punked by a super beefy Chaos Champion who before punking the Emperor punked a Primarch for a warm-up.

Horus then told the Emprah to "Sit Down" and he has ever since.

Chaos > The Emperor

Emperor killed all of their champion, but he didn't want to kill his son.

When he fought with him, essence and power of all 4 Chaos gods where in Horus. Even near the end of his life, he destoy his son, his souls and shattered the Chaos gods ( all 4 of them ).

Even now he is f****** with them by denying them most of Human souls that goes to warp ( except heretics ). And he is doing that with 20% of his power ( 80% is stuck in him and poweringthe Astronomicon ).

So Emperor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Chaos Gods

So couldn't he beat horus and the essence of the 4 chaos gods x 5? because he was only able to use 20% of his power...

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Omegus wrote:
I don't really care what higher power he believes in, but anyone who dismisses evolution in this day and age and wants creationism taught exclusively in schools is a lunatic in my opinion.

Notice how he doesn't actually say evolution doesn't occur, but that it's not random (i.e. it's decided by God). Out of curiosity, what actual concrete proof do they have that Humans are descended from microbes do they have anyway? Last I heard, there were a load of missing links.

God-decided evolution is a perfectly acceptable way to reconcile faith with science, but that's not what he said. As in the bolded part, he clearly states "it's not real".

Your argument reminds me of this:

http://www.myvidster.com/video/316851

Omegus wrote: Chuck's reaction: "It's funny. It's cute. But here's what I really think about the theory of evolution: it's not real.

Yes, that's because it's a joke, Chuck.

But anyway back to the point. I'm going to have to say Ynead. The Eldar fluff states that after all of the Eldar are dead Ynead will come and give Slaanesh a kicking, which rules out Slaanesh as the strongest. Also, Slaanesh defeated Kaela Mensha Khaine, which again rules him out. All we know is that Ynead will be the strongest out of all of the other Eldar Gods that have ever existed and Slaanesh, so it could be any of the remaining ones depending on how strong Ynead actually will be.

KingCracker wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

schan122 wrote:

Melissia wrote:Gork and Mork probably rival the Emperor, and that makes them a triumvirate of death.

The "Emperor" requires the blood of a 1000 psykers a day in order to survive. Gork and Mork only require battle. In the warhammer40k universe, there is ALWAYS battle.

Gork and Mork. Yin and Yang. Shake and bake.

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They require ORKS to battle. When the IoM battles Tau, G&M don't get stronger (though Khorne does)


And a LOT more than 1000 orks die every day.

You just proved why Gork and Mork truly ARE the most powerful. The number of Orks is uncountable. And they ALL fight at the very least each other every single day. So Gork and Mork are powered by an uncountable force fighting every single day everyday for always. So yes. Its Gork and Mork.

they should be 1 entry on the list by the way.

As are the numbers of humans, tyranids and daemons.

As is the GEoM, and the CG+Hive mind.

As a loyal servant of the Emperor, there is only one appropriate answer for me to give

Realistically though, the absolute most powerful god(s) in the Warhammer 40,000 universe are undoubtedly Gork n' Mork. The Ork codex states these two slap around the other gods in the warp for a good laugh, and while this may just be usual Greenskin exaggeration, considering the amount of Orks there are in the universe it might very well be true.

Malal would likely be tied with Khorne for second/third place, since his power is directly proportional to the other Chaos Gods. Now if only he could get over that pesky copyright

Ironsight wrote:As a loyal servant of the Emperor, there is only one appropriate answer for me to give

Realistically though, the absolute most powerful god(s) in the Warhammer 40,000 universe are undoubtedly Gork n' Mork. The Ork codex states these two slap around the other gods in the warp for a good laugh, and while this may just be usual Greenskin exaggeration, considering the amount of Orks there are in the universe it might very well be true.

Malal would likely be tied with Khorne for second/third place, since his power is directly proportional to the other Chaos Gods. Now if only he could get over that pesky copyright

Although the tyranids are said to h ave equal or above numbers to the orcs in population size.

this is almost as bad as the old thread, Who will be the last race standing, and guys we arnt arguing about who has a bigger force we are arguing who individually is the most powerful, INDIVIDUALLY

Yeah, after research, I've got to say Gork and Mork. I remember reading a short story somewhere where they fought Khorne and absolutely stomped him. Remember, Khorne only gains power when orks fight (no matter how often that is). GnM gain power from orks just BEING ORKS.

not possible, Khone is the god of battle essentially, it isnt possible to defeat him in battle

his very nature makes it impossible

This is GORK AND MORK. When did logic EVER stop them?

Cerebrium wrote:Yeah, after research, I've got to say Gork and Mork. I remember reading a short story somewhere where they fought Khorne and absolutely stomped him. Remember, Khorne only gains power when orks fight (no matter how often that is). GnM gain power from orks just BEING ORKS.

1. Orks just being orks MEANS that orks fight so that point is moot, and also two gods fighting one-how do you think it's going to turn out? and either way, if it written in the ork codex, it may likely be from the orks' perspective i.e. a "vision" form a weird boy.

Orks don't ALWAYS fight, that's a misconception. They race, they fight, they build things, they fight, they explore, they fight some more.

Yes, fighting is extremely common, but it's not ALL they do.

Originally, I would have voted for either the Chaos Gods or the Tyranid Hive Mind however the terrible fluff in the Grey Knights codex changed this. I voted Matt Ward because “it would be shame if I didn’t”.

Cerebrium wrote:Orks don't ALWAYS fight, that's a misconception. They race, they fight, they build things, they fight, they explore, they fight some more.

Yes, fighting is extremely common, but it's not ALL they do.

Well given the fact that in ork society in order to gain currency, you have to go punch another ork in the face and steal his teeth...

And the fact that they kill each other just cause...

As I said though, although they do fight a lot, they don't ALWAYS fight.

Its got nothing to do with logic, Khorne is the very esscence of battle, anyone who challenge3s him or is challenged is no match for him as he litterally knows every move they could ever make and how to counter it and can register this in a split second faster than the opponent can actually make the descision, his grasp of combat is faster than reflex he is actually thinking about thenext move whilst his opponent is reacting to the one he is making at a level so fast that he knows every move attack counter attack and potential threat that the opponent can make until the end of the fight

more than likely he just takes his axe chops gork AND mork in twain and sais "Denied"

Tyranic Marta wrote:Its got nothing to do with logic, Khorne is the very esscence of battle, anyone who challenge3s him or is challenged is no match for him as he litterally knows every move they could ever make and how to counter it and can register this in a split second faster than the opponent can actually make the descision, his grasp of combat is faster than reflex he is actually thinking about thenext move whilst his opponent is reacting to the one he is making at a level so fast that he knows every move attack counter attack and potential threat that the opponent can make until the end of the fight

more than likely he just takes his axe chops gork AND mork in twain and sais "Denied"

+1

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!

SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

Tyranic Marta wrote:Its got nothing to do with logic, Khorne is the very esscence of battle, anyone who challenge3s him or is challenged is no match for him as he litterally knows every move they could ever make and how to counter it and can register this in a split second faster than the opponent can actually make the descision, his grasp of combat is faster than reflex he is actually thinking about thenext move whilst his opponent is reacting to the one he is making at a level so fast that he knows every move attack counter attack and potential threat that the opponent can make until the end of the fight

Then why hasn't he done so with the other Chaos Gods? I know they've toned down the whole idea of their animosity, but come on, enough warp presence can overcome anything.

Khaela Mensha Khaine was "the very essence of battle" for the Eldar, yet was very easily overcome by the personification of their penchant for anal beads and ball-gags.

Omegus wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:Its got nothing to do with logic, Khorne is the very esscence of battle, anyone who challenge3s him or is challenged is no match for him as he litterally knows every move they could ever make and how to counter it and can register this in a split second faster than the opponent can actually make the descision, his grasp of combat is faster than reflex he is actually thinking about thenext move whilst his opponent is reacting to the one he is making at a level so fast that he knows every move attack counter attack and potential threat that the opponent can make until the end of the fight

Then why hasn't he done so with the other Chaos Gods? I know they've toned down the whole idea of their animosity, but come on, enough warp presence can overcome anything.

Khaela Mensha Khaine was "the very essence of battle" for the Eldar, yet was very easily overcome by the personification of their penchant for anal beads and ball-gags.

The difference between khorne and khaine being the khorne is the god of war, whereas khaine was a warrior god.

Warrior=fighter

God of War=Every aspect of war imaginable, perfected.

Plus khaine doesn't feed off battle. If you made khorne bleed, his blood would make him stronger.

Either way, GEoM owns everything. Auto-win.

because Tzeenth tricks him, Khorne is only master of battle, Slaanesh allures him or whatever, and Nurgle does his Nurgly thing, im not sure really how that works but as i understand it all the gods enjoy the squabbling between themselfs and so have no interest in ending it

Khaela Mensha Khaine is in my opinion, over rated, the very esscence of battle was defeated by something other than pure battle, thus it is completely plausible, orcs however are puere battle incarnat in a mortal form and Gorl and Mork are the Psionic REPRESENTATIVE of this base trait, thus they can never be as powerful as Khorne who isss the esscence and source of the trait

im2randomghgh wrote:Either way, GEoM owns everything. Auto-win.

May His divine light always guide us.

Tyranic Marta wrote:because Tzeenth tricks him, Khorne is only master of battle, Slaanesh allures him or whatever, and Nurgle does his Nurgly thing, im not sure really how that works but as i understand it all the gods enjoy the squabbling between themselfs and so have no interest in ending it

Khaela Mensha Khaine is in my opinion, over rated, the very esscence of battle was defeated by something other than pure battle, thus it is completely plausible, orcs however are puere battle incarnat in a mortal form and Gorl and Mork are the Psionic REPRESENTATIVE of this base trait, thus they can never be as powerful as Khorne who isss the esscence and source of the trait

Chaos God battles go something like this: Nurgle things just don't die (see:zombies), Khornate things are the best warriors (mad sword skills), Slaaneshi things are too fast to hit (NINJA) and Tzeentch things just fire from a safe distance with their sorcery and make overly complicated plans (see:Creed)

oh and one more thing, has noone stopped to think that maybe the two gods Gork and Mork are actually an aspect of Khorne himself? similar to the way the laughing god is supposed to be Slaanesh and the Machine spirit is actually the void dragon of the necrons, Gork and Mork to me are like Khornes Bastard children, and as we know, the illegitamate sons of gods always get stick from dad

Tyranic Marta wrote:oh and one more thing, has noone stopped to think that maybe the two gods Gork and Mork are actually an aspect of Khorne himself? similar to the way the laughing god is supposed to be Slaanesh and the Machine spirit is actually the void dragon of the necrons, Gork and Mork to me are like Khornes Bastard children, and as we know, the illegitamate sons of gods always get stick from dad

Actually another theory for the Omnissiah is that it and the GEoM are the same.

And Mork would be child of khorne, with Gork as the child of Tzeentch

Poker game between the GEoM, Tzeentch, the Deceiver, The Laughing God and Gork-who would win?

Although the tyranids are said to h ave equal or above numbers to the orcs in population size.

The basic mindless organisms don't really count any more than say an otter's would. It's on the synapse creatures that actually count as I beleive they actually have a degree of sentience.

Orks on the other hand all have a degree of sentience, execpt perhaps snotlings.

This is GORK AND MORK. When did logic EVER stop them?

not possible, Khone is the god of battle essentially, it isnt possible to defeat him in battle

his very nature makes it impossible

So is Kaela Mensha Khaine, yet Slaanesh, while not able to kill him, was able to banish his form into the Craftworlds. And as far as I recall, Orkish minds arn't read/absorbed/whatever it is they do, by the chaos gods.

Its got nothing to do with logic, Khorne is the very esscence of battle, anyone who challenge3s him or is challenged is no match for him as he litterally knows every move they could ever make and how to counter it and can register this in a split second faster than the opponent can actually make the descision, his grasp of combat is faster than reflex he is actually thinking about thenext move whilst his opponent is reacting to the one he is making at a level so fast that he knows every move attack counter attack and potential threat that the opponent can make until the end of the fight

more than likely he just takes his axe chops gork AND mork in twain and sais "Denied"

He isn't the God of War, he's the God of Martial Prowess, Anger, Violence, and Hate. That means he's good with a sword, but can't make a booby trap for the life of him. So while he may indeed be as Brutal as Gork, which I doubt, he is definately not as Kunnin as Mork.

Not to mention, Orks don't get that mad when they fight, they get happy, it's like their communal orgasm. That's why their arms are as so muscular.

oh and one more thing, has noone stopped to think that maybe the two gods Gork and Mork are actually an aspect of Khorne himself? similar to the way the laughing god is supposed to be Slaanesh and the Machine spirit is actually the void dragon of the necrons, Gork and Mork to me are like Khornes Bastard children, and as we know, the illegitamate sons of gods always get stick from dad

You mean aside from the fact that Khorne didn't come into awareness unitl our middle ages but orcs are apparently much older than the race of men, and even possibly Eldar?

One more thing Tyranic Marta, out of curiosity, how old are ya me boy?

im2randomghgh wrote:Poker game between the GEoM, Tzeentch, the Deceiver, The Laughing God and Gork-who would win?

Hmm, GEoM finds the whole thing improper and is chosen to be the dealer, Gork doesn't actually know the rules (so he just does things at random and somehow ends up victorious), Tzeench pretends this was his plan all along, and the Laughing God is that hysterical guy who just realized he gambled away his house and life's savings.

I would have to go with the Emporer. He is constantly fighting all of the chaos gods and almost brought the whole galaxy under the rule of the imperium.

I say Gork is the most powerful. If all the Orks banded together they could destroy the whole galaxy. I do have to give the Hive mind credit though, they did create a technically invincible warrior (swarm Lord), well not invincible just repeatedly comes back to life even if its gone through a whole lot of flamers. Also there Hive fleet Leviathan is actually bigger than the galaxy if you look at it on the map in the Nid codex and even that doesn't show where it begins. However I still think Gork would completely destroy the Hive mind and its Hive fleets. None of the others would stand a chance in my opinion cause the Ork codex states Gork and Mork laugh whenever something ties to kill them.

Wulfen Andy wrote:I would have to go with the Emporer.

Is that the guy that set the import prices for Australia? If so, I agree, mighty entity indeed.

So it's Emperor, Gork+Mork, Hive Mind, Tzeentch as the top five.

Emperor - 112
Gork and Mork - 87
Matt Ward - 82
Hive Mind - 57
Gork - 46
Mork - 41
Tzeench - 32

so essentially it's Gork and Mork as the EMPRAH can be listed down to fanboys.

I haff ta say Mork over Gork, 'cus when Gork's done krumpin' da lot, Mork'll use his cunnin' to krump 'im. Either dat er Gork'll stomp 'im.

Zakiriel wrote:But isn't Chuck Norris and the Emperor of Man, the same guy?

Not at all. Chuck Norris is the real reason the Emperor is in his coma on the throne, not Horus.

if matt ward ever made a "chuck norris" codex it would be totally impervious, insta kill everything just by looking at it, kill pure chicks to get even more pure, and have a hive tyrant as a pet. and it would be the 3rd codex to have a storm raven

Emperor. Destroyed a Primarch buffed by all four Chaos Gods simultaneously.

smudgethekat wrote:Emperor. Destroyed a Primarch buffed by all four Chaos Gods simultaneously.

So what? Mark of Chaos undivided, pretty impressive but Horus =/ all the 4 gods combined. Even the idea that the Emperor of Man "constantly fights all the 4 gods" is new to me, i have never seen it stated outside of imperial propaganda. Hells, for all we know the God Emperor of Man is a vegetable, completely occupied with projecting the Astronomicon with stolen power while somehow keeping the webwaygate under his toilet closed. Even his few miracles can be explained away as the actions of a gestalt mind during times of great crisis and war, similar to what the orks can do.

Unlike the Chaos Gods, whose existance we know of with great certaincy thanks to numerous descriptions of them and their daemons in the fluff, the Emperor as a warpgod might be little more than eclesiarchy propaganda.

smudgethekat wrote:Emperor. Destroyed a Primarch buffed by all four Chaos Gods simultaneously.

Yes, and that ended well didn't it.

KingDeath wrote:Even the idea that the Emperor of Man "constantly fights all the 4 gods" is new to me, i have never seen it stated outside of imperial propaganda.

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Golden_Throne#The_Golden_Throne

The relevant part is under "Consequences of the Horus Heresy", and I quote:

Lexicanum wrote:At the outset of the Heresy, when Magnus the Red used his sorcerous powers to warn the Emperor of Horus's treachery, he inadvertently created huge holes in the Emperor's psychic shield. Daemons poured into the human-built portion of the Webway and slaughtered thousands of Adeptus Mechanicus workers there. The Custodian Guard and Sisters of Silence were left fighting a desperate battle to prevent the daemons from reaching the portal through into the Imperial Dungeon. Eventually the Imperial forces had to abandon the Webway and retreat back into the Imperial Palace. The portal was closed but only the psychic power of the Emperor was enough to keep it that way so he was forced to remain on the Golden Throne or find a suitable replacement. When the Emperor was forced to battle Horus on board the Sons of Horus flagship, the Vengeful Spirit, his place on the throne was taken briefly by Malcador the Sigillite. Malcador perished performing this endeavour, and the mortally wounded Emperor was reinstated upon the Throne after his battle with Horus. At his instruction, it was then enhanced and converted into the life-sustaining form it currently bears.

Thus, the Emperor is keeping a Warp Rift closed that would otherwise let the Daemons run rampant through Terra and, by extention, the Imperium.

Besides, in the Inquisition War novels, he I haven't seen any Chaos Gods running around doing that lately.

Clearly the most powerful god is whoever makes triscuits, they are DELICIOUS

This poll is missing one vital character HORUS

Apparently people keep forgetting there's a fifth Chaos God. MALAL.

yeah theres a reason for ignoreing malal, you ever noticed that he isnt in the chaos codex? its cause he isnt powerful enough to get a mention

SSsilverskullSS wrote:This poll is missing one vital character HORUS

You do realize that he got slapped so hard that even his soul ceased to exist, right?

Gork and Mork.

Back in the old books they beat the 7 shades of crap out of the chaos gods.

(Reply to: AlmightyWalrus)


Yes but did you forget that the emperor got whooped too by horus and is only surviving by a gigantic machine, without that he would be dead. That too and horus turned just about half of the space marine legions to chaos and started an uprising to the emperor has lasted for about 10 millenium (on and off)

SSsilverskullSS wrote:(Reply to: AlmightyWalrus)


Yes but did you forget that the emperor got whooped too by horus and is only surviving by a gigantic machine, without that he would be dead. That too and horus turned just about half of the space marine legions to chaos and started an uprising to the emperor has lasted for about 10 millenium (on and off)

So? As an entity, Horus was OBLITERATED. As in: end of story, no more Horus, bye-bye
So as the most powerful entity, no he most certainly was not.

SSsilverskullSS wrote:(Reply to: AlmightyWalrus)


Yes but did you forget that the emperor got whooped too by horus and is only surviving by a gigantic machine, without that he would be dead. That too and horus turned just about half of the space marine legions to chaos and started an uprising to the emperor has lasted for about 10 millenium (on and off)

Actually, Lorgar did. Horus was more or less the poster boy. The WB, with all their scheming, would probably by Tzeentch followers if the TS hadn't called dibs.

Also, there is no confirmation as to what happened exactly aboard the Vengeful Spirit, but one of them is that the Emperor wasn't even fighting, then he realized than Horus WAS evil and auto won.

SSsilverskullSS wrote:(Reply to: AlmightyWalrus)

Yes but did you forget that the emperor got whooped too by horus and is only surviving by a gigantic machine, without that he would be dead.

Horus died first

That too and horus turned just about half of the space marine legions to chaos and started an uprising to the emperor has lasted for about 10 millenium (on and off)

I'm sure Abaddon will get past the Gate any day now...

Garviel Loken.

SickSix wrote:Garviel Loken.

Except he was on the receiving end of filthy butt rape from Abaddon.

SickSix wrote:Garviel Loken.

Dang... that deep man

im2randomghgh wrote:

SickSix wrote:Garviel Loken.

Except he was on the receiving end of filthy butt rape from Abaddon.

Tyranic Marta wrote:yeah theres a reason for ignoreing malal, you ever noticed that he isnt in the chaos codex? its cause he isnt powerful enough to get a mention

Actually, his power grows every time another chaos god's strength increases, so he could easily be the strongest. That's why I deck out the small chaos space marine army I have as Sons of Malice and play under chaos undivided rules and only use generic summoned daemons and no units that belong to a specific god.

AND he's the only one not stuck in the Warp since he left on his own because all other chaos gods and chaos underlings fear him since he represents utter chaos which means attacking everyone including other chaos.

You all seem to be ignoring the fact that emperor kicked all the chaos gods asses at once.

Although i still vote laughing god, he eats freakin' suns.

Cortez's Badassery will go a long way. They call him 'The Immortal' for a reason dammit.

Dave_Nz wrote:You all seem to be ignoring the fact that emperor kicked all the chaos gods asses at once.

When?

Although i still vote laughing god, he eats freakin' suns.

You mean the Nightbringer right?
The Laughing God of the Eldar is the one who fights Slaanesh for the souls of Harlequins (Death Jesters?)

I'm disappointed in the poll so far....


This guy? Really? He might have been the most powerful entity on WH30k, but that was a long time ago.

Tyranid Hive Mind by a long shot.

Griever wrote:I'm disappointed in the poll so far....


This guy? Really? He might have been the most powerful entity on WH30k, but that was a long time ago.

Tyranid Hive Mind by a long shot.

You're ignoring the fact that he could disassemble the atoms in your body and reconstruct the particles so that you're a cloud of oxygen, right?

He could literally breathe you.

Griever wrote:
Tyranid Hive Mind by a long shot.

Well played, the one thing that isn't even an entity. /golfclap

Malal isn't mentioned because the author that created the character and GW split over "creative differences".

AlmightyWalrus wrote: I haven't seen any Chaos Gods running around doing that lately.

In First Heretic, they transport some Word Bearers back in time to destroy the Geller field protecting the nascent Primarchs.

sorry but some old dude on a chair just isnt as epic as the chaos gods, thus they get the power of awsomeness and pone his ass

Well... if no Malal... then I'm saying The Outsider. It looks like Hive Fleet Leviathan took one big detour to avoid him and his little old Dyson Sphere.

Omegus wrote:
In First Heretic, they transport some Word Bearers back in time to destroy the Geller field protecting the nascent Primarchs.

That or it was a vision, rather than what literally happened. Chaos is tricky like that. The Emperor? He definately froze time for a certain Inquisitor and company.

I'd go with Khorne. All conflict feeds him...in a universe in which there is ONLY WAR.

As powerful as the Emperor is, his might is declining. He can barely keep the worst of the onslaught of Chaos and other forces as is. And every little bit of control that slips only adds to the power of the forces of ruin.

Sephyr wrote:I'd go with Khorne. All conflict feeds him...in a universe in which there is ONLY WAR.

As powerful as the Emperor is, his might is declining. He can barely keep the worst of the onslaught of Chaos and other forces as is. And every little bit of control that slips only adds to the power of the forces of ruin.

Well to be fair the reason his power is fading is because he siphoning it out of himself and into the entity in the warp, the STAR CHILD.

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote:

Omegus wrote:
In First Heretic, they transport some Word Bearers back in time to destroy the Geller field protecting the nascent Primarchs.

That or it was a vision, rather than what literally happened. Chaos is tricky like that. The Emperor? He definately froze time for a certain Inquisitor and company.

Something had to make that field fall. The Inquisition War is no longer canon, as it has been put in the Heretic Tales category of BL novels.

Right, You can't kill the emperor because, even though his "dead". His soul is in the warp and only through will power his blocking out all the chaos gods from taking the IoM.

Also who every says that the emperor got beaten by hours is completely wrong, the emperor didn't even try to fight hours and only blocked attacks, when he realised that he can't talk reason into his son then I finally kicked all 4 chaos gods out of hours body.

When people say the chaos gods just simply retreated, that not logical because, if the only man stand between you and everything you desire, I am sure the chaos gods tried their hardest to kill the emperor because when his dead, no one will be able to stop them.

Gork and Mork doesn't care doesn't mean they will be powerful enough to defeat the emperor since they will just sit there getting hit, soon or later someone will find their weakness. But I think Gork and Mork are more powerful than the chaos gods for sure, Since the chaos gods haven't corrupted any orks.

The Orks are too stupid to be corrupted. Just like the Space Wolves, even though they fit every criteria.

Omegus wrote:
Something had to make that field fall. The Inquisition War is no longer canon, as it has been put in the Heretic Tales category of BL novels.

Or the Chaos Gods had the power to overwhelm it. Or something else happened. I can't really see the Chaos Gods transporting someone back in time to get be able to get past it. It makes no sense to me. Could you elaborate on the Heretic Tales category, please?

Marthike wrote:Since the chaos gods haven't corrupted any orks.

Yes they have. It's harder than with Humans, but it can and does happen.

Marthike wrote:Also who every says that the emperor got beaten by hours is completely wrong, the emperor didn't even try to fight hours and only blocked attacks, when he realised that he can't talk reason into his son then I finally kicked all 4 chaos gods out of hours body.

I don't think anyone actually said that the Emperor was beaten by Horus, as that would be ridiculous. But if you're suggesting here that Horus isn't the reason that the Emperor needed a life-support system, I'm not sure that's correct either. The lexicanum entry states:

'After a tragic battle, and though heartbroken at the loss of his favoured son, the Emperor finally slew Horus, though the struggle left him close to death.'

If you have some 'counter-fluff' to this I am more than willing to read it though.

However, I don't see any of the other options in the poll ever having needed a life support machine (although Khaine was rent into many pieces).

SomeRandomEvilGuy wrote: Could you elaborate on the Heretic Tales category, please?

Heretic Tomes, sorry. Basically, it's books that were published in the early days of the 40K universe, stories that may often contradict or introduce different elements to the Warhammer mythos, but are too cool in their own right to be altered to match the newer fluff.

They are of a lower level of canon than Black Library. Of course, from the interview of two current BL authors found here, the BL doesn't really put any demands on their authors except things like dates and numbers. The characters and stories are kind of left up to them. So basically, nothing we read anywhere means anything.

Rampage wrote:
I don't think anyone actually said that the Emperor was beaten by Horus, as that would be ridiculous. But if you're suggesting here that Horus isn't the reason that the Emperor needed a life-support system, I'm not sure that's correct either. The lexicanum entry states:

While Horus is the reason for the Emperor being placed on the Golden Throne, I think what he was getting at was that the Emperor could have destroyed Horus far more easily, but couldn't bring himself to destroy his beloved son until the Guardsman\Imperial Fist\Custodes was flayed alive by Horus. If it hadn't been for the Emperor's love for Horus, the fight would have been one-sided.

Omegus wrote:Heretic Tomes, sorry. Basically, it's books that were published in the early days of the 40K universe, stories that may often contradict or introduce different elements to the Warhammer mythos, but are too cool in their own right to be altered to match the newer fluff.

Ah okay. I wouldn't necessarily say that that invalidates everything in those novels, but I see your point. The Emperor hasn't really changed though, although they might decide to not go for the admittedly cool route of him have many different aspects and personalities.

If you guys read the GK book then you would realize that the GK know how to save the Emperor but wont until the end 2nd war of terra.

Omegus wrote:The Orks are too stupid to be corrupted. Just like the Space Wolves, even though they fit every criteria.

Erm no.
The Orks are resistant to Chaos (they are too primal for Chaos to corrupt them, but as mentioned, it is possible)
Space Wolves are resistant due to their geneseed, it has sod all to do with stupidity.

*cough cough*
space wolves have been corrupted before *cough cough* its actually happened it was in the third chaos codex

you cant corrupt fungus tho, sheesh i thought everyone knew mushrooms were evil anyway

Tyranic Marta wrote:*cough cough*
space wolves have been corrupted before *cough cough* its actually happened it was in the third chaos codex

you cant corrupt fungus tho, sheesh i thought everyone knew mushrooms were evil anyway

Didnt say it couldnt happen, just that they are more resistant to Chaos than other SMs.

There actually have been chaos-possessed ork rules back when. Probably in a WD article, but i'm not sure which..


The original Wierdboy Warpheads were wierdboys that had a daemon attempt to possess them and fail, becoming trapped in the ork's skull instead

Again, i only said resistant, its still possible
The old school Weirdboy answer sounds AWESOME!

Works ok if you're a Khorne demon, as you don't even need to steer to get the ork doing stuff you like...

Slaanesh or Tzeenzch on the other hand...

KnightOfTheRaven wrote:If you guys read the GK book then you would realize that the GK know how to save the Emperor but wont until the end 2nd war of terra.

So do the Illuminati (40k version not the actual organization that's long gone... or is it?)

KnightOfTheRaven wrote:If you guys read the GK book then you would realize that the GK know how to save the Emperor but wont until the end 2nd war of terra.

Actully you don't know that.

They have a box, what inside you don't know.

It could be a way to turn off the golden throne so the emperor can be reborn.

But that means the beacon of light will be gone for a few years untill the emperor is found so they don't do it because the imperim will fall.

Anyway that what I think.

But sigilite did try to fine a way to save the emperor before he died so maybe he did.

IA black legion a super warboss nearly kills the emperor and horus saves him.. Emp sucks.

Gork..

Shaman wrote:IA black legion a super warboss nearly kills the emperor and horus saves him.. Emp sucks.

Gork..

I know these are real words....but i have zero idea what they mean.....

Shaman wrote:IA black legion a super warboss nearly kills the emperor and horus saves him.. Emp sucks.

Gork..

The Waaagh! encountered on Ullanor was the biggest Waaagh! recorded and was the turning point of the Great Crusade. I think it's safe to say that the Waaagh! energy of so many Orks could mess with enemy psykers...

@ rev A warboss nearly killed the emperor.. therefore he sucks and is not that powerful.

Shaman wrote:@ rev A warboss nearly killed the emperor.. therefore he sucks and is not that powerful.

Except we have no idea about the actual circumstances of that situation. For all we know the Emperor could have been simultaneously annihilating dozens of Ork spacecraft and large portions of the Ork army and the Warboss blindsided him. Even still, it could have just been a misconception that Horus saved him, and that the Emperor was in complete control of the situation, with whoever recorded the event taking what they saw at face value (as opoosed to taking into account the Emperors psychic powers protecting him or being able to kill the Warboss before he could finish the Emperor off).

Shaman wrote:@ rev A warboss nearly killed the emperor.. therefore he sucks and is not that powerful.

Ghazzy is the size of a dread and he lead a WAAAGH! that started with his one planet. Ullanor was an ork empire of more than 100 planets.

Plus, the Emperor created Horus who helped him. He has the ability to create primarchs, custodes and SM. That's a pretty kick ass power.

Plus he destroys ships with his mind just sayin'.

'plus... i can kill you with my brain...'
River

Sorry, couldn't resist.

Remember that the Imperium tends to rewrite history to their tastes, and near everything is written from the Imperial viewpoint..

The Departmentum Propagandum is a very busy place

I feel a rather strong desire to punch whoever put that pompous ass Chuck Norris into the poll... same with Ward. Bleh.

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Omegus wrote:The Orks are too stupid to be corrupted. Just like the Space Wolves, even though they fit every criteria.

Erm no.
The Orks are resistant to Chaos (they are too primal for Chaos to corrupt them, but as mentioned, it is possible)
Space Wolves are resistant due to their geneseed, it has sod all to do with stupidity.

Stupidity still helps.

Oddly enough, Orks are no less intelligent than humans. Their intelligence is just focused on war.

Omegus wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Omegus wrote:The Orks are too stupid to be corrupted. Just like the Space Wolves, even though they fit every criteria.

Erm no.
The Orks are resistant to Chaos (they are too primal for Chaos to corrupt them, but as mentioned, it is possible)
Space Wolves are resistant due to their geneseed, it has sod all to do with stupidity.

Stupidity still helps.

How? Care to explain that AT ALL?
You are still wrong though sorry.

Melissia wrote:Oddly enough, Orks are no less intelligent than humans. Their intelligence is just focused on war.

Exactly.

Too single-minded and pure of purpose to be turned from it or corrupted. Stupid is just a good, short way of saying it.

Particularly for Space Wolves. "Oh noes, he is throwing lightning, he must be corrupt. What? We do that too? Nah, it's cool, we're just 'children of the storm'." "Oh noes, they has the mutations, they are corrupted! What? Half our planet is overrun by mutated initiates? Nah, it's cool, that's just 'the Wolf'."

Omegus wrote:Too single-minded and pure of purpose to be turned from it or corrupted. Stupid is just a good, short way of saying it.

No its not. Stupid is stupid, single-minded is single-minded. Theres almost no comparison.
And pure of purpose has no 'stupid' connotation at all.

Sure there is, and sure it does.

Melissia wrote:I feel a rather strong desire to punch whoever put that pompous ass Chuck Norris into the poll... same with Ward. Bleh.

Guess who started the poll.

MWAHAHA


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Melissia wrote:Oddly enough, Orks are no less intelligent than humans. Their intelligence is just focused on war.

Yes, they are.

Omegus wrote:Sure there is, and sure it does.

No it doesn't.

A Magos Genetor is pure of purpose and pure of mind, focused on their task of studying and understanding the genetics of humans and xenos alike. Space Marines are pure of purpose, focused on the task of war, but few people call them stupid (even I would at most argue that they're at roughly human level intelligence but with faster reflexes and better memory).

Calling them stupid just because they're pure of purpose would be, itself, stupid.

Remember, it wasn't just purity of purpose, but single-mindedness, which when persisted in the face of facts to the contrary, is indeed stupidity.

Omegus wrote:Remember, it wasn't just purity of purpose, but single-mindedness, which when persisted in the face of facts to the contrary, is indeed stupidity.

But Orks don't do that.

When faced with superior firepower, they take cover. When faced with a superior force, they retreat to get more boyz and bigger guns. Etc etc etc. Orks have a very sound grasp of tactics to make the best use of their race's resources and capabilities.

The Emperor of Man.

If you can control an entire empire of people, whilst only having function of your brain. You're the best in my eyes

No one is stronger than Draigo. He can walk through the planes of chaos, fight UNLIMITED amount of demons, never has to eat or breathe and even the great gods of chaos can't touch him

In addition the grey knights dont even bother finding ANOTHER chapter master.. like someone who is around for more than a few minutes every century because they know those few minutes are better than the full time attention of ANY other grey knight master

zzaxle wrote:The Emperor of Man.

If you can control an entire empire of people, whilst only having function of your brain. You're the best in my eyes

Actually, the High Lords of Terra are the main dudes in the day to day running of the Imperium whilst the Emperor is stuck on the Golden Throne (IIRC).

Nurgle.

Nothing escapes entropy.

Just needs a lysol exterminatus

Melissia wrote:

Omegus wrote:Remember, it wasn't just purity of purpose, but single-mindedness, which when persisted in the face of facts to the contrary, is indeed stupidity.

But Orks don't do that.

When faced with superior firepower, they take cover. When faced with a superior force, they retreat to get more boyz and bigger guns. Etc etc etc. Orks have a very sound grasp of tactics to make the best use of their race's resources and capabilities.

So do dogs.

dogs with shootas... my jack russel would never be the same again

Tyranic Marta wrote:dogs with shootas... my jack russel would never be the same again

It would become a dakka russel.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Omegus wrote:Remember, it wasn't just purity of purpose, but single-mindedness, which when persisted in the face of facts to the contrary, is indeed stupidity.

But Orks don't do that.

When faced with superior firepower, they take cover. When faced with a superior force, they retreat to get more boyz and bigger guns. Etc etc etc. Orks have a very sound grasp of tactics to make the best use of their race's resources and capabilities.

So do dogs.

Yes they do, because they have intelligence enough to feel fear, (now dont try and use this as an argument as to why Orks are stupid, they were engineered not to feel fear)

Indeed. Orks were the only race to escape the curse of the nightbringer. They don't feel fear of death. Their knowledge of combat tactics is not built out of fear.

Not even close: The Emperor.

Emperor got punked by a super beefy Chaos Champion who before punking the Emperor punked a Primarch for a warm-up.

Horus then told the Emprah to "Sit Down" and he has ever since.

Chaos > The Emperor

That is because the Emperor let him!

Revenent Reiko wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Melissia wrote:

Omegus wrote:Remember, it wasn't just purity of purpose, but single-mindedness, which when persisted in the face of facts to the contrary, is indeed stupidity.

But Orks don't do that.

When faced with superior firepower, they take cover. When faced with a superior force, they retreat to get more boyz and bigger guns. Etc etc etc. Orks have a very sound grasp of tactics to make the best use of their race's resources and capabilities.

So do dogs.

Yes they do, because they have intelligence enough to feel fear, (now dont try and use this as an argument as to why Orks are stupid, they were engineered not to feel fear)

Now you're confusing intelligence and instinct

Completely different things. Worms instinctually move to the surface when it rains, and they simply get killed by pedestrians because of it. Nothing is achieved, but they do it anyways because IT IS INSTINCT.

They weren't engineered not to feel fear, they simply weren't preyed upon by the Nightbringer.

Also, back to the dog analogy (they are obviously smarter than dogs, not contesting that) they even assert leadership in the same way. EXACT same way.

Really? wheres the confusion? Im not saying they are the same thing, and yes a dog knows instinctively if something is scary, but they have the intelligence to run away (fight, flight or fright is instinctive but is overcome by intellect, and dont tell me it isnt, i was 'diagnosed' with acute anxiety many years ago and so every time my instinctive behaviour kicks in and 'tells' me to 'run away' form anything my mind perceives as a threat - exams for instance- i engage the rational part of my brain and override it).
Humans do exactly the same thing, are we stupid now too?

what by pissing on trees?

Tyranic Marta wrote:what by pissing on trees?

Only when im drunk

good man

Revenent Reiko wrote:Really? wheres the confusion? Im not saying they are the same thing, and yes a dog knows instinctively if something is scary, but they have the intelligence to run away (fight, flight or fright is instinctive but is overcome by intellect, and dont tell me it isnt, i was 'diagnosed' with acute anxiety many years ago and so every time my instinctive behaviour kicks in and 'tells' me to 'run away' form anything my mind perceives as a threat - exams for instance- i engage the rational part of my brain and override it).
Humans do exactly the same thing, are we stupid now too?

Fight or flight is an instinct triggered by a hormone (adrenaline). If you are ignoring your instinct, it is either a relatively faint instinct, or not enough adrenaline.

And the ability to ignore instincts is a trait unique to sentient creatures. Orks can't ignore their instincts. They are roughly the equivalent of the humans from around 10,000 B.C., with crude language and basic tools, but everything else they do is either instinct or genetically engineered into them.

And you don't need intelligence to run away-you need an instinct, and legs.

Tyranic Marta wrote:good man

TY
Roll on 12:00 tomorrow, last exam EVER!!!

ok, orcs are not stupid, they have all the knowlege they will ever need built into them. The very definition of Stupid is someone who doesnt know anything... so

Tyranic Marta wrote:ok, orcs are not stupid, they have all the knowlege they will ever need built into them. The very definition of Stupid is someone who doesnt know anything... so

Or someone who ignores their knowledge

that is true also

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:ok, orcs are not stupid, they have all the knowlege they will ever need built into them. The very definition of Stupid is someone who doesnt know anything... so

Or someone who ignores their knowledge

So socrates, one of the greatest philosophers in greek history was stupid...? Ignorance is bliss as he would say.

no cause he knew stuff
he just had the intellegence to understand that there was far more that he diddnt know

No he neglected his intelligence in his court case and other cases.

-.-

This thread is starting to look like instant chat.

New rule: all posts must be two lines from now on in this thread.

Can we agreed on this?

Sure man
Ive got no problems with this

Good then

I am glad.

-.-
This is going to devolve into people making daft paragraph lines isnt it?

this could get really annoying....

Tyranic Marta wrote:-.-
This is going to devolve into people making daft paragraph lines isnt it?

Yes.


It will.

Tzeench.

If the Tyranids over-ran the galaxy, it would reshape civilization (or lack there-of) as we know it. That's a whole lot of changes. Tzeench reaps the benefits, becomes more powerful with each world they change the face of. (Khorne would fare rather well, also)

If the Tau convert everyone to The Greater Good... that sure is a lot of change..l.

If the Emperor of Mankind was awoken as the Sensei-Emperor and destroyed all the mortal forces of Chaos, it would change the balance of power in the galaxy.

Do what you will, other powers, Tzeench always reaps the benefits from your plan (which chances are, they are one of his plans. Also, Fateweaver already knows what you're up to. Also, he knows you pick your nose when you think noone is looking) because unless your plan is to leave things exactly the way you are... you probably have some changes in mind.

Other powers wax and wane, but change is eternal.

Wow, didn't mean to spark such a debate on the intelligence of Orks... I was just calling out the Space Wolves as mental midgets.

With exactly zero evidence at all?

im2randomghgh wrote:This thread is starting to look like instant chat.

Given that you put chuck norris and matt ward in the poll?

You should stop complaining that the thread turns to spam.

Plenty of evidence in the HH books.

Actully people why are we arguing about is orks are dumb or not. definatly remember in one of the codex saying some orgyns are nearly as stupid as ork. Doesn't that say it all? they are stupid. And if you say they are intelligent but they just too lazy and too focused on war.

So does that mean a person who is too lazy to study and too busy with games is intellegent? NO because he didn't bother learning so is more stupid than someone who did study.

intelligence is knowlage and creativity and orks don't have any. All they know is how to cut people up, maybe some ork warboss are quite clever in the war department but not orks in general.

Intelligence is itself poorly defined, but Orks certainly aren't lacking in it. They lack in book learning, but that's fine, as they're biological war machines anyway.

There are a lot of people who are more intelligent than I, yet have far, far less book learning. There are a lot of people who are far less intelligent than I, yet are vastly more educated. Book learning only helps you apply your intelligence, it doesn't MAKE you intelligent.

" intelligence is knowlage and creativity and orks don't have any. All they know is how to cut people up, maybe some ork warboss are quite clever in the war department but not orks in general. "


Orks are quite creative. Your average ordinary ork boy, possibly not, but what other race has developed man-portable ordinance wormhole cannon?

Most IG are probably not all that creative. SM generally aren't, as they are indoctrinated from recruitment to follow the BIg Blue Book written by Guilleman (and not to question it). Some chapters are more creative in this regard.

As to knowledge, orks have all the knowledge they need to do what they do. WHy would they need to know (for example) the history of the Eldar race to prosecute a Waaagh?

some orks can read, it is in the ork codex under komandoes "some can even read" so they have some book smarts.. even if is is just see spot run

but yea orks are... orks they are plenty intelligent just on the subject of war. and how to make war/ get to more war, just means they are focused

I can build a house from the ground up, pull the permits and get it all done which some might say takes intelligence or some might say takes is learning the right subjects... but i can't tailror my own cloths... does that mean I'm dumb because i can't sew or does it mean I would rather put my energy in a different subject?

Gork and Mork, bashing everywun is cool.
and Chuck Norris. he is my hero. I wanna be old, half naked and kicking every 1!

Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Chuck Norris

The 5th chaos god: Chuck Norris!

Amanax wrote:Ynnead.

He is destined to kill Slaanesh (Who killed Khaine...) So he's stronger than both of them by that logic.

His powers could well be limitless upon awaking. o_O

What the Eldar don't seem to realise about this is Slaanesh eats their souls. How will a god made of their souls defeat Slaanesh? They hope that he will, but considering when Slaanesh was born, it ate most of the Eldar civilization, created the Eye of Terror, killed one of their gods, frightened away another and shattered a third into pieces, it seems unlikely that he will be able to defeat She Who Thirsts, especially now that there's a Chaos Legion fuelling him.

Slaannesh and Ynnead are evenly matched at best for the Eldar, and it is said in the Chaos codex that Khorne is currently stronger than Slaanesh. So, Khorne, fuelled by the anger of a galaxy. Tzeentch might beat him through trickery though.

He cant. Imperium defends their lines. With war. Now, that feeds him. He can only be less powerfull if the whole universe becomes hippie.

Probably just me being a f@~king Xenos, but I've got to go for Khaine. Technically he's not, being beaten by Khorne, but he was taken by suprise and weakened before hand. Also, imagine an army of Avatars, all joining together into one collosal being. Nasty.

Nightwalker wrote:Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Chuck Norris

thenoobbomb wrote:The 5th chaos god: Chuck Norris!

thenoobbomb wrote:and Chuck Norris. he is my hero. I wanna be old, half naked and kicking every 1!

*sigh* Am I the only one who can't wait till Chuck Norris finally roundhouse kicks the bucket, so the world can finally forget all about him and his fundamentalist crusade?

Rampage wrote:

zzaxle wrote:The Emperor of Man.

If you can control an entire empire of people, whilst only having function of your brain. You're the best in my eyes

Actually, the High Lords of Terra are the main dudes in the day to day running of the Imperium whilst the Emperor is stuck on the Golden Throne (IIRC).

I wholeheartedly believe that the emperor has a great influence on their actions ^^

And i wholeheartedly believe that he's a withered corpse that is quite literally out of his head, if he's still there at all..

Wasn't there a number of rather dubious High Lords of Terra in the timeline, that were basically betraying the Imperium until dealt with? Was he influencing them too?

I'll need to check my rulebook, as my fluff brain is on sabbatical today.

@Cottonjaw, I don't think the tyranids invading would strengthen Tzeentch. Tzeentch is a sneaky, schemy, conspiratorial embodiment of change, the tyranids are simply destruction...

As a devotee of Chaos Undivided, I have been informed that Khorne, Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Slaanesh are all in the Warp Bahamans. Currently they are letting their Greater Daemons try the slaughtering, schemimg ,etc. They have been informed by Bob the Herald that they are not yet rulers of the galaxy and will soon return in full Ha-wain shirt glory, and will immediately purchase some Bug Spray from the Warp Store (where the deals are so great, the owners must be insane!). They shall soon arrive back to their proper place as rulers of the galaxy and will have a press conference with free tea and biscuits for anyone who shows up. Meanwhilte, you bugs, greenskins, pointy eared humanoids, and just plain humanoids should enjoy your time in the sun, since the Chaos Gods certainly are at the moment *drum snare* since when they get back, the galaxy will go through some serious redecorating.


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Also who is the Void Dragon?

he is a necron star god who is impersonating as the machine spirit

Or to put it a more accurately, the machine spirit is impersonating him. He was there first

quite true,
isnt he in the center of Mars or something?

Noctis Labyrinth, an underground complex on mars that has been sealed but not destroyed.

Close enough

I was so tempted to answer with, "whoever Matt Ward says," but I went with the Emperor of Man.

Durza wrote:

Amanax wrote:Ynnead.

He is destined to kill Slaanesh (Who killed Khaine...) So he's stronger than both of them by that logic.

His powers could well be limitless upon awaking. o_O

What the Eldar don't seem to realise about this is Slaanesh eats their souls. How will a god made of their souls defeat Slaanesh?

Because the fluff says so:

'...a new Eldar God grows in power - Ynnead, God of the Dead. They believe that when every last Eldar has died in the final days, Ynnead will awaken and have strength enough to defeat Slaanesh forever.'

I know it says 'believe', but considering that this includes Eldrad Ulthran it's probably true.

I see your point, but there are probably more souls in the Infinaty ciruits than there were consumed by Slaanesh, and so the extra souls would give Ynnead a bit of a boost.

Compare the number of souls on the Eldar planets Slaanesh ate to the number of craftworlds and their relatively small populations. Slaanesh is getting boosted by the followers killing, torturing and orgying for it as well though. Unless the last battle is another 10000 years away (which seems unlikely) I don't think Ynnead will win. Either way, Khorne will probably kill the winner once they're weakened by the battle.

Rampage wrote:

I see your point, but there are probably more souls in the Infinaty ciruits than there were consumed by Slaanesh, and so the extra souls would give Ynnead a bit of a boost.

Well you seem to forget that Slaanesh also Nom Nom Noms on DE souls if they don't feel enough sensation...

Durza wrote:Compare the number of souls on the Eldar planets Slaanesh ate to the number of craftworlds and their relatively small populations. Slaanesh is getting boosted by the followers killing, torturing and orgying for it as well though. Unless the last battle is another 10000 years away (which seems unlikely) I don't think Ynnead will win. Either way, Khorne will probably kill the winner once they're weakened by the battle.

I see your point about Slaanesh being boosted by her followers, but If the fluff backs up her defeat it is probably true. But yes, I suppose that it is quite likely that Khorne will kill the winner, but this really depends on how much more Ynnead is spawned with, and whether he absorbs Slaaneshs power like Slaanesh absorbed the power of the Eldar Gods.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Rampage wrote:

I see your point, but there are probably more souls in the Infinaty ciruits than there were consumed by Slaanesh, and so the extra souls would give Ynnead a bit of a boost.

Well you seem to forget that Slaanesh also Nom Nom Noms on DE souls if they don't feel enough sensation...

Ah yes, I did forget about the DE. But the point still stands that if the fluff backs up the defeat of Slaanesh it's probably true.

I doubt him absorbing Slaanesh would be a very good idea. And the fluff backs up the desperate hope of the Eldar that the extinction of their species will mean something other than them being kind of stupid to create a Chaos god. The fluff also backs up that Slaanesh's followers believe she is invincible, so no one really knows what will happen. Slaanesh also has a lot of daemons backing her up, and Tzeentch might be unwilling to allow the death of the only other god who doesn't want him destroyed.

Ok, I'm not too good on the Chaos Gods, but I'm guessing that Slaanesh basically tells her followers that she's invincible, on the other hand, there is Eldrad Ulthran........ About Tzeentch, you are probably right that he wouldn't really want Slaanesh to be killed, but whether he stops Ynnead depends on:

1. Whether Ynnead actually spawns (which looks likely).

2. How much power Ynnead has and whether he/she is able to kill Slaanesh in the first place, and then going further than that defeating Tzeentch (not sure if the latter is likely).

But yeah, absorbing Slaanesh does actually seem a bit of a stupid thing for Ynnead to do now that I think about it. But Ynnead is a tricky one, as we don't really have very much information on him/her.

Durza wrote:I doubt him absorbing Slaanesh would be a very good idea. And the fluff backs up the desperate hope of the Eldar that the extinction of their species will mean something other than them being kind of stupid to create a Chaos god. The fluff also backs up that Slaanesh's followers believe she is invincible, so no one really knows what will happen. Slaanesh also has a lot of daemons backing her up, and Tzeentch might be unwilling to allow the death of the only other god who doesn't want him destroyed.

That actually takes power from the Gods, as the Daemons are drawing upon the power of their creator. Same is true every time they fill someone with power. It draws from their own reserve. So yes, Slaanesh has a TON of daemons at his / her call, and even more followers whom he / she funnels power into, but in fact each act is draining their currant power. With that in mind, Slaanesh, as well as the other chaos gods, are probably weaker now then previously in their existence, or at the very least are stagnant.

Highly unlikely. Although their energy is used up in the creation of daemons, they have more energy coming in from the material world than ever.

Hmmm something has just come to mind, Tzeenth is probably the most powerful entity if you think along the lines of him knowing everything thats happening at any given time, he is completely omniescient and he has perfect recall of everything there is and has ever been. Thus his knowlege is greater than even the Emperors himself, thus noone can do something that Tzeench doesnt expect, Thus (i like saying that word) as knolege is power he is the most powerful... thus.... no thats it im done

Tyranic Marta wrote:Hmmm something has just come to mind, Tzeenth is probably the most powerful entity if you think along the lines of him knowing everything thats happening at any given time, he is completely omniescient and he has perfect recall of everything there is and has ever been. Thus his knowlege is greater than even the Emperors himself, thus noone can do something that Tzeench doesnt expect, Thus (i like saying that word) as knolege is power he is the most powerful... thus.... no thats it im done

You make a good point, but although Tzeentch may know everything that's happening at any one time, he/she does not have the knowledge of combat that Khorne has or the knowledge of disease that Nurgle has otherwise there would be no point in the other Chaos Gods. Thus ( ) he does not hold all knowledge and is not all powerful.

martin74 wrote:who ever matt ward wants it to be. have you read the crap he puts out?

QFT, I hate matt ward

Amanax wrote:

Durza wrote:I doubt him absorbing Slaanesh would be a very good idea. And the fluff backs up the desperate hope of the Eldar that the extinction of their species will mean something other than them being kind of stupid to create a Chaos god. The fluff also backs up that Slaanesh's followers believe she is invincible, so no one really knows what will happen. Slaanesh also has a lot of daemons backing her up, and Tzeentch might be unwilling to allow the death of the only other god who doesn't want him destroyed.

That actually takes power from the Gods, as the Daemons are drawing upon the power of their creator. Same is true every time they fill someone with power. It draws from their own reserve. So yes, Slaanesh has a TON of daemons at his / her call, and even more followers whom he / she funnels power into, but in fact each act is draining their currant power. With that in mind, Slaanesh, as well as the other chaos gods, are probably weaker now then previously in their existence, or at the very least are stagnant.

Daemons are formed from the emotions of mortals, not the gods themselves. Hence, there are the rare undivided ones. Greater daemons, on the other hand, are formed from the essence of their god, but become a self sufficient entity after this. Gifts from the gods usually take the form of physical mutation, so it doesn't take much power to give them. Apart from the rare immortals like Lucius and Kharn, they don't need to give much power to followers. The gods simply struggle too much among themselves to give anything but a taste of their power to mortals.

the fluff writer, for they have the power to turn awesomness into epic fail, relictors and grey knights fluff is a good example of this, awesomeness, to fail

Most powerful thing in 40k are dice. Ultimately it is them that determine who lives and who dies us mortals have no way to comprehend their power

@Nicholas, betcha $100 Brian Greene can.

Nicholas wrote:Most powerful thing in 40k are dice. Ultimately it is them that determine who lives and who dies us mortals have no way to comprehend their power

On that note, the most powerful entity is he who bakes his dice, for he can never lose.

Tyranic Marta wrote:Hmmm something has just come to mind, Tzeenth is probably the most powerful entity if you think along the lines of him knowing everything thats happening at any given time, he is completely omniescient and he has perfect recall of everything there is and has ever been. Thus his knowlege is greater than even the Emperors himself, thus noone can do something that Tzeench doesnt expect, Thus (i like saying that word) as knolege is power he is the most powerful... thus.... no thats it im done

You have hoenstly completly mis-interpreted the statement "knowledge is power" it is a metaphorical statement that relates to the fact that if one aquires knowledge then they have the power to govern their own thoughts, it is power over their own mind and soul both mentally and spiritually. This has no relation what so ever to physical strength or dexterity, which apart from wizards and what not, are the main attributes to fighting. If your statement was correct then in the modern world wouldn't scientists be able to take down world class martial artists?

Tl;DR. missunderstood the meaning of "knoweldge is power"

-.- enough of the personal attacks

seriously, it carries a completely different meaning here, this is a fantasy world you cant use the direct definitions of real world things to relate to things in the 40K universe like that, because of the nature of the warp the very nature of tthe meaning of that could be shifted out of perspective, if Tzeentch has the power of the warp at his disposal then essentially he can do what he wants with that scentence

Chuck Norris nuff said.

no, just no

chuck norris never has been and never will be anything like what anyone has ever made him out to be...

nuff said

Dave_Nz wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:Hmmm something has just come to mind, Tzeenth is probably the most powerful entity if you think along the lines of him knowing everything thats happening at any given time, he is completely omniescient and he has perfect recall of everything there is and has ever been. Thus his knowlege is greater than even the Emperors himself, thus noone can do something that Tzeench doesnt expect, Thus (i like saying that word) as knolege is power he is the most powerful... thus.... no thats it im done

You have hoenstly completly mis-interpreted the statement "knowledge is power" it is a metaphorical statement that relates to the fact that if one aquires knowledge then they have the power to govern their own thoughts, it is power over their own mind and soul both mentally and spiritually. This has no relation what so ever to physical strength or dexterity, which apart from wizards and what not, are the main attributes to fighting. If your statement was correct then in the modern world wouldn't scientists be able to take down world class martial artists?

Tl;DR. missunderstood the meaning of "knoweldge is power"

Actually knowledge is power means the same sort of thing as know your enemy or the pen is mightier than the sword. And yes, a scientist in the modern world could win, with the knowledge that he should use a gun.

*clap clap clap clap*

Thanks

Paul wrote:

Dave_Nz wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:Hmmm something has just come to mind, Tzeenth is probably the most powerful entity if you think along the lines of him knowing everything thats happening at any given time, he is completely omniescient and he has perfect recall of everything there is and has ever been. Thus his knowlege is greater than even the Emperors himself, thus noone can do something that Tzeench doesnt expect, Thus (i like saying that word) as knolege is power he is the most powerful... thus.... no thats it im done

You have hoenstly completly mis-interpreted the statement "knowledge is power" it is a metaphorical statement that relates to the fact that if one aquires knowledge then they have the power to govern their own thoughts, it is power over their own mind and soul both mentally and spiritually. This has no relation what so ever to physical strength or dexterity, which apart from wizards and what not, are the main attributes to fighting. If your statement was correct then in the modern world wouldn't scientists be able to take down world class martial artists?

Tl;DR. missunderstood the meaning of "knoweldge is power"

Actually knowledge is power means the same sort of thing as know your enemy or the pen is mightier than the sword. And yes, a scientist in the modern world could win, with the knowledge that he should use a gun.

Sigh, the 100% literal American society.

and how was that a personal attack, get over yourself.

You siaying that knowledge is power means that a scientist would be able to beat Bruce lee in a vacuum, don't say "well he would just use a gun" because that is a sad excuse for a bad argument. and last time i checked, the pen is only mightier than the sword if the enemy has an emotional sense, the empror i don't think would give a crap how you put anything to him, he enslaved 3trillion people.

if the empror is almost a perfect warrior, then know thy enemy doesn't even apply, because that only tries to exploit ones weakness.

and said above, he doesn't care for argumentative words, he'd probably just laugh.
nuff
said.
l2 interpret.


oh and by the way the secondary interpretation of knowledge is power actually relates to politics, and being able govern what you want by simply making people vote for you. such as the better politician you are ( how much knowledge you have ) is equal to the number of votes you receive (power and influence)

oh yea and chuck noris hasn't got gak on bruce lee, way of the dragon bruce lee owns noris, noris isn't even a respect martial artist.

I lol at the movie reference. They never truly fought or sparred... or at least nothing was ever recorded

And yet everything about Chuck Norris is made-up gak, likely derived from his appearances in various films ans TV shows, hence Bruce Lee owns Chuck Norris.

Tyranic Marta wrote:no, just no

chuck norris never has been and never will be anything like what anyone has ever made him out to be...

nuff said

Oh really?

Chuck Norris staring down a bear, in his mortal form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XUgE6g7XU

Chuck Norris beating a brick wall in tennis: http://www.mofunzone.com/online_games/chuck_norris_fights_a_brick_wall_in_tennis.shtml

Chuck Norris:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:no, just no

chuck norris never has been and never will be anything like what anyone has ever made him out to be...

nuff said

Oh really?

Chuck Norris staring down a bear, in his mortal form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XUgE6g7XU

Chuck Norris beating a brick wall in tennis: http://www.mofunzone.com/online_games/chuck_norris_fights_a_brick_wall_in_tennis.shtml

Spoiler:

Chuck Norris:

Way to prove his point dude.... *shakes head*

You didn't put the Old Ones Up there. They created the tyranids in order to cleanse the galaxy for a fresh start.

Lord Atlas Grimm wrote:You didn't put the Old Ones Up there. They created the tyranids in order to cleanse the galaxy for a fresh start.

Huh? NO they didnt, they created the Eldar and the Krork (Orks), and others, but not the Nids.

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:no, just no

chuck norris never has been and never will be anything like what anyone has ever made him out to be...

nuff said

Oh really?

Chuck Norris staring down a bear, in his mortal form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XUgE6g7XU

Chuck Norris beating a brick wall in tennis: http://www.mofunzone.com/online_games/chuck_norris_fights_a_brick_wall_in_tennis.shtml

Chuck Norris:

Thanks, that only proved our point further, and proves that you actualyl dont know anything about chuck noris in the first place, he is a martial artist and his school that teaches Chun Kuk Do is actually regarded as quite a joke, a silly american actor who actually doesn't know jack all about the art. Also bruce lee is often considered one of the best fighters the world has ever seen, apart from shaolin monks who ha ve been training in secrecy and thereis almost no recorded footage of their sparring,

Lord Atlas Grimm wrote:You didn't put the Old Ones Up there. They created the tyranids in order to cleanse the galaxy for a fresh start.

Where in the hell did you get this? The Old Ones were pretty much annihilated and Nids are from an entirely different galaxy.

Dave_Nz wrote:

im2randomghgh wrote:

Tyranic Marta wrote:no, just no

chuck norris never has been and never will be anything like what anyone has ever made him out to be...

nuff said

Oh really?

Chuck Norris staring down a bear, in his mortal form: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XUgE6g7XU

Chuck Norris beating a brick wall in tennis: http://www.mofunzone.com/online_games/chuck_norris_fights_a_brick_wall_in_tennis.shtml

Chuck Norris:

Thanks, that only proved our point further, and proves that you actualyl dont know anything about chuck noris in the first place, he is a martial artist and his school that teaches Chun Kuk Do is actually regarded as quite a joke, a silly american actor who actually doesn't know jack all about the art. Also bruce lee is often considered one of the best fighters the world has ever seen, apart from shaolin monks who ha ve been training in secrecy and thereis almost no recorded footage of their sparring,

I know Chuck. It is just a meme, seriously, calm down.

And yes, Bruce Lee was better.

And yes, Shaolin Monks were better.

And yes, Spartans were better (just thought I'd throw that in).

Seriously, it is a JOKE. It is FUNNY. It is meant to make you LAUGH.

well it diddnt -.-

No reason to take it too seriously. Mr T beats Norris anyway.

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Lord Atlas Grimm wrote:You didn't put the Old Ones Up there. They created the tyranids in order to cleanse the galaxy for a fresh start.

Huh? NO they didnt, they created the Eldar and the Krors (Orks), and others, but not the Nids.

Fanfic and an idea I kinda like. The story goes somewhat like the last of the Slann flee the galaxy during the Enslaver Plague, they create the Tyranids to settle the score and the Tyranids either eat the Slann or the Slann let the Nids loose OM NOM NOMing galaxies as they move towards Terra.

Pilau Rice wrote:

Revenent Reiko wrote:

Lord Atlas Grimm wrote:You didn't put the Old Ones Up there. They created the tyranids in order to cleanse the galaxy for a fresh start.

Huh? NO they didnt, they created the Eldar and the Krors (Orks), and others, but not the Nids.

Fanfic and an idea I kinda like. The story goes somewhat like the last of the Slann flee the galaxy during the Enslaver Plague, they create the Tyranids to settle the score and the Tyranids either eat the Slann or the Slann let the Nids loose OM NOM NOMing galaxies as they move towards Terra.

It doesnt really make sense though, consider:
1) The Old Ones were nearly destroyed by the Necrons/C'Tan (the Enslavers were the final straw IIRC)
2) The Necrons are a non-psyker race (and in fact inserted the pariah gene into Human DNA, although there is a rumour this is being retconned/changed with the new Dex), and are very anti-psyker in all they do (see Pylons and Pariahs).
3) The Tyranids are psykers (OK, not quite, but the Hive Mind is a psychic entity)
4) Gauss weapons are reputed to be extremely effective against Nids. (See, when the Necrons helped the Tau then turned on them)

As such, the Nids seem to be the worst choice to take down the Necrons, especially considering that the Nids would need new biomatter to replace anything lost in battle with the Necrons, and they sure as hell arent going to be getting that from Tomb Worlds.

Its an interesting fanfic theory, but IMO it doesnt hold water.

Agreed.

Revenent Reiko wrote:
Its an interesting fanfic theory, but IMO it doesnt hold water.

It's not just the Necrons that they are trying to get rid of though.

And anyway, like I said, it's fanfic and I was just answering the question from your post.